Incredible detail. I loved the review. Answered a lot of questions I had that a lot of other videos and message boards couldnt answer. Thanks! Definitely looking out for your other videos
I have the gen 1 MC2C and for the budget-minded like me, it's hard to justify buying another carry gun at this point. thin, light, higher capacity mag than many, a slightly longer barrel, and a grip I can get all my fingers on but not too tall to fight concealment. and I'm not on the red dot bandwagon yet. for me, it's the ideal carry piece, until it isn't :-D. I bought mine before the prices went down to the low $300's on some sites, which is a heck of a value.
Kudos to you for recommending the MCARBO spring kit. They have a unique system for smoothing out the trigger pull on several pistols. I have always been very impressed not only with their products but also with the detailed installation videos of their products. Have you tried using the G-Sight laser training tool to see which pistol is best? Love their product since you can see where you are hitting the target.
Yeah, their installation video for the MC2c kit was awesome...hence why I didn't bother to do my own version. G-Sight training laser and app is similar to the Mantis Laser Training Academy. However, while I always use a training laser, I rarely setup the app for scoring since just shoot light switches and rely on the MantisX to tell me what I'm doing wrong. www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/mantisx10-elite
Excellent and thorough review. I'm picking my mc2c up tomorrow. This is the 2nd one I've had. My first MC2C kept jettisoning the magazine when the gun would recoil. I sold it to one of my female clients and ordered the optics ready model when it came out. The magazine release definitely needs a fence or guard to prevent accidental activation.
@@malekali91 I have affiliate links to online sellers on my Mossberg page. I think Guns.com and Palmetto State Armory both have it. www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/mossberg
Thanks for quick response but I forgot to clarify I'm looking for the optic ready model. I can find the non-optic ready version pretty easily. The optic ready version is what I'm interested in but can't seem to even find listed for sale anywhere.
Very thorough video, much appreciated. I can't figure why the MC2c optics ready hasn't gained more popularity. I will need to upgrade from my original MC2c. Do you recommend the polymer or glass lens on the Sheild RMSc optic or do you recommend another optic all together?
I do favor Shield Sights, either one, the aluminium RMSc or the Polymer SMSc. I prefer glass lenses so I can clean them without fussing too much. I think the MCx pistols get dismissed by the fashion conscious who look on Mossberg as a Fudd shotgun company. When I bought the optics ready version, I thought I'd sell the old model. I couldn't do it, though. I have suggested that they offer a magazine internals upgrade kit to bring the original MC2c to 14 rounds.
What great detailed review, watched it all and made me want to buy one. Can I ask about what is that you refer to a “G wrap technique “(? )I’d like to learn more about it as I haven’t heard of it. Always learning with your videos, thank you for the review .
Glad you liked the review. GWrap is an extreme pistol retention technique. I live fire demonstrate it at the very end of my Minuteman Review of the MC2c. But I only tried it after thousands of rounds of dry fire practice of the technique. I have a short video on GWrap as well as a video from the originators of the technique at the bottom of my Point Shooting page... www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/point-shooting
I like its takedown scheme and sunken optics cut, but the Delta 2 M brings a lot to the table at approximately the same size. Would be interesting to run them side by side.
I would love to test a Delta 2M. Looks like the slide serrations would do well in our Bloody Hands test. But I really dislike adapter plates...more height and an added point of failure. I'd like to get my hands on one to measure it's grip ratio...it looks like it might be pretty low and so less effective for point shooting. A well protected mag release button and ambi slide release, but rather thick for IWB carry. It is very efficient for rounds per size and weight.
@@AmbGun IDK; the Delta is designed as a 9mm (not a 40), and steel mags without plastic cladding, so it's a lot slimmer than a Glock 19, and so the grip ratio may surprise you. I agree on the plates. If the internals wouldn't interfere, an RMS-C footprint milled into the slide would be slicker.
Thanks for stopping by. Hope you'll hit the subscribe button. I have a forthcoming video on manual safety MC2c... www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/mossberg
Hey Mark. Two quick questions for you. 6:50 What laser sight are you using there? and secondly. I followed your like to for the sights and it says compatible with sig in the item description. Is that the correct page? Thank you for the wealth of knowledge in this vid!
wish this had an ambi mag release as a forced lefti it would make it easier. okay first gun i shoot did not have the left mag release either did it work yes but did it work well nope. great review on the Mossberg
The mag release is reversible, but yeah true ambi would be nice. As for handguns, I've backed off of my ambi obsession a bit since I don't carry an extra magazine preferring a tourniquet over an extra mag. I wish the MC2c had a paddle mag release (like the VP9) to prevent accidental mag disengagement.
@@AmbGun totally get you on that one. I mean you adapt to the situation for me it’s as a carry gun I want it to be more right for me as a lefty sincei my injury I can’t rely on right arm to function,at a range I could care less if it’s ambi or not
Do you have an optics ready model? If so are you running a dot? Check out the AmbGun page on the Mossberg pistols...and the MCARBO trigger spring kit is well worth the $15. www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/mossberg
Was super happy with my mc2c !! Carry it still but Mossberg isn't a good 2a company , I said after months I love this can I buy slide that is optics ready ? No those are regulated parts by the government lol ..really I bought glock slide on eBay ..oh that's different they said ..I have the emails ..its a joke .Manti gun builder and anti gun ..I was so disappointed with a American manufacturer
In my contacts with Mossberg, I've never found them to be weak on support for 2A. They are kind of a hunting oriented company, but a defender of 2A. I do wish they did more parts online...slides, mag internals, etc. Given that the licensed the Strike Industries takedown, I wonder if that is why they don't sell a OSP slide.
Does actually have a loaded chamber indicator incorporated into the external extractor similar to the CZ-P10 series pistols. It's very slight but it's there
Those extractor indicators are good for satisfying the legal bedwetters, but in a high stress situation where fine motor skills turn coarse they are all but useless. At least they don't risk a case blow out or encourage newbies to waggle the muzzle about like chamber view ports.
@@AmbGun I think it's something one would almost have to train their self to feel for the slightly raised function. I find myself intentionally looking for the raised indicator when I'm at the range..and of course that's not a high stress situation..I get that.
With the light strikes would you consider keeping the factory striker spring and only installing the MCARBO Sear spring and Striker block safety spring?
I will continue with the complete MCARBO kit. I don't normally run Tula steel case ammo. And we did have a couple of steel case Tula "light strikes" during a P365XL session a couple of months ago. So I'm not sure the MC2c or the lighter MCARBO springs are to blame.
According to your spreadsheet the Springfield Hellcat Pro packs the same amount of firepower into a slightly smaller package than the MC2c, so why would you pick the MC2c over the Hellcat Pro?
Yes. I've been encouraging Mossberg to offer a kit to upgrade the old capacity mags. I cover a lot of mag compatibility stuff in my MC2sc review. th-cam.com/video/Lbb4ZzZJKnE/w-d-xo.html
Yes. Configurable for left or right hand. But not ambidextrous. Actually editing a video right now on MC2c with manual safety. Release in a week. www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/mossberg
Question from a gun forum. Have you tired the 14 & 16 rd magazines from the optic ready MC2c in a non optic ready (13 & 15 rd version) MC2c? If so, do they fit and does non optic ready MC2c's fire okay with the larger capacity magazines?
I've been agitating for Mossberg to release more parts for the pistols on their online store. So far, slides are not officially available, but maybe by contacting customer support. But with the updated striker block safety, I think you'd need an updated trigger bar, too. Moreover, given how much slides cost, I think it'd be better to have two pistols...at least that's the route I went. Another advantage of the new pistol is the increased capacity of the new magazines. I'd really like to see Mossberg release the internals to upgrade earlier mags. If you don't currently have the Tru-Glow tritium sights, THAT is an easy upgrade to make. Although for most people the installation should be performed by a gunsmith. amzn.to/3pswQMj
You can DIY install new sights with a sight pusher tool. I list the Wheeler Engineering tool on my Mossberg page. www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/mossberg
Many people struggle "finding the dot" on optics equipped pistols. I think practicing "point shooting" is the key to acquiring a fast sight picture. With a training laser, you could practice point shooting with your original MC2c. The Mossberg pistols are among the best point shooting pistols out there. th-cam.com/video/eT6SOcnQZGE/w-d-xo.html
Its there when you might want it and you dont have to use it. 😉 I got my mc2sc with it because thats the one that was on sale at the local store. I keep the safety on when its at home.
You used to say Hellcat was your favorite. Are you just advertising guns for profit. Too bad. I enjoyed your content but don't like being sales pitched
Last month my AmbGun affiliate payout was about $40. My adventure channel (RaggedyEdge), with 1/20th the subs brought several times that...and I spend way more time filming and editing for AmbGun. While I think AmbGun is more important, I am considering transfering my focus to RaggedyEdge. TH-cam payments last month were less than $10. I hope AmbGun affiliate sales DO pick up. I desperately need a new computer, camera, tripod, and audio kit. I'm delaying dental work to keep videos coming through the end of this year in hopes that the affiliate payouts at least start covering my production costs. Filming and editing a review video is 30-40 hours of unpaid effort. And setting up shots really fucks up the enjoyment of shooting. My "sales pitch" videos seem rather poorly designed to generate affiliate sales though. Mossberg MC2c and MC2sc MC2c with its glitchy trigger safety Heavy cover plate and lack of m3 screws Poorly positioned front serrations Exposed mag release button Stupid crossbolt safety Plastic sear spring clip Missing grip texture MC2sc's proprietary rail Sig P365XL Mag button opposite side interference Low grip ratio hinders point shooting Proprietary Rail Manual Safety, trigger glitch. Springfield Hellcats and XDM 10 "Gain of Function" collusion optics (that one went over well at Springfield) Polymer rear rails on XDM Striker plate gap on XDM The AmbGun.com affiliate sales thru Guns.com and Palmetto State Armory have generated zero in commissions...pretty good indicator that either I really suck at these "sales pitches" or American gun culture avoids using affiliate links thru some kind of envy motivated, r-selected, anti-competitive mental disorder. www.ambgun.com
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Incredible detail. I loved the review. Answered a lot of questions I had that a lot of other videos and message boards couldnt answer. Thanks! Definitely looking out for your other videos
Thanks. MC2c, still my fav 9. Though I switched to 22LR.
Lots of content...semi organized at...
www.ambgun.com
I have the gen 1 MC2C and for the budget-minded like me, it's hard to justify buying another carry gun at this point. thin, light, higher capacity mag than many, a slightly longer barrel, and a grip I can get all my fingers on but not too tall to fight concealment. and I'm not on the red dot bandwagon yet. for me, it's the ideal carry piece, until it isn't :-D. I bought mine before the prices went down to the low $300's on some sites, which is a heck of a value.
It is my favorite 9. Especially with the MCARBO trigger spring kit.
www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/mossberg
Kudos to you for recommending the MCARBO spring kit. They have a unique system for smoothing out the trigger pull on several pistols. I have always been very impressed not only with their products but also with the detailed installation videos of their products.
Have you tried using the G-Sight laser training tool to see which pistol is best? Love their product since you can see where you are hitting the target.
Yeah, their installation video for the MC2c kit was awesome...hence why I didn't bother to do my own version.
G-Sight training laser and app is similar to the Mantis Laser Training Academy. However, while I always use a training laser, I rarely setup the app for scoring since just shoot light switches and rely on the MantisX to tell me what I'm doing wrong.
www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/mantisx10-elite
Excellent and thorough review. I'm picking my mc2c up tomorrow. This is the 2nd one I've had. My first MC2C kept jettisoning the magazine when the gun would recoil. I sold it to one of my female clients and ordered the optics ready model when it came out. The magazine release definitely needs a fence or guard to prevent accidental activation.
Defective mag catch or was your hand striking the mag button under recoil?
Where did you order it from? I don't see it available anywhere yet.
@@malekali91 I have affiliate links to online sellers on my Mossberg page. I think Guns.com and Palmetto State Armory both have it.
www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/mossberg
@@malekali91 Most local gun shops can get one in for you, too. That way you can specify the tritium sights.
Thanks for quick response but I forgot to clarify I'm looking for the optic ready model. I can find the non-optic ready version pretty easily. The optic ready version is what I'm interested in but can't seem to even find listed for sale anywhere.
Very thorough video, much appreciated. I can't figure why the MC2c optics ready hasn't gained more popularity. I will need to upgrade from my original MC2c.
Do you recommend the polymer or glass lens on the Sheild RMSc optic or do you recommend another optic all together?
I do favor Shield Sights, either one, the aluminium RMSc or the Polymer SMSc. I prefer glass lenses so I can clean them without fussing too much.
I think the MCx pistols get dismissed by the fashion conscious who look on Mossberg as a Fudd shotgun company.
When I bought the optics ready version, I thought I'd sell the old model. I couldn't do it, though. I have suggested that they offer a magazine internals upgrade kit to bring the original MC2c to 14 rounds.
Could a new optics cut slide simply be purchased?
What great detailed review, watched it all and made me want to buy one. Can I ask about what is that you refer to a “G wrap technique “(? )I’d like to learn more about it as I haven’t heard of it. Always learning with your videos, thank you for the review .
Glad you liked the review.
GWrap is an extreme pistol retention technique. I live fire demonstrate it at the very end of my Minuteman Review of the MC2c. But I only tried it after thousands of rounds of dry fire practice of the technique.
I have a short video on GWrap as well as a video from the originators of the technique at the bottom of my Point Shooting page...
www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/point-shooting
I like its takedown scheme and sunken optics cut, but the Delta 2 M brings a lot to the table at approximately the same size. Would be interesting to run them side by side.
I would love to test a Delta 2M. Looks like the slide serrations would do well in our Bloody Hands test. But I really dislike adapter plates...more height and an added point of failure. I'd like to get my hands on one to measure it's grip ratio...it looks like it might be pretty low and so less effective for point shooting. A well protected mag release button and ambi slide release, but rather thick for IWB carry. It is very efficient for rounds per size and weight.
@@AmbGun IDK; the Delta is designed as a 9mm (not a 40), and steel mags without plastic cladding, so it's a lot slimmer than a Glock 19, and so the grip ratio may surprise you.
I agree on the plates. If the internals wouldn't interfere, an RMS-C footprint milled into the slide would be slicker.
I love them both!!
Great content 👍
Thanks for stopping by. Hope you'll hit the subscribe button. I have a forthcoming video on manual safety MC2c...
www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/mossberg
Hey Mark. Two quick questions for you. 6:50 What laser sight are you using there? and secondly. I followed your like to for the sights and it says compatible with sig in the item description. Is that the correct page?
Thank you for the wealth of knowledge in this vid!
That was just a 9mm training laser that I rigged up to stay lit.
RMSc pattern dots fit the Mossberg. I favor Shield Sights RMSc and SMSc.
@@AmbGun Thank you for your time and attention.
wish this had an ambi mag release as a forced lefti it would make it easier. okay first gun i shoot did not have the left mag release either did it work yes but did it work well nope. great review on the Mossberg
The mag release is reversible, but yeah true ambi would be nice. As for handguns, I've backed off of my ambi obsession a bit since I don't carry an extra magazine preferring a tourniquet over an extra mag. I wish the MC2c had a paddle mag release (like the VP9) to prevent accidental mag disengagement.
@@AmbGun totally get you on that one. I mean you adapt to the situation for me it’s as a carry gun I want it to be more right for me as a lefty sincei my injury I can’t
rely on right arm to function,at a range I could care less if it’s ambi or not
Thanks for the review. I've been doing a lot of research into this gun. Is the MC2C easy to conceal carry or should I go for the MC2SC?
Love mine!
Do you have an optics ready model? If so are you running a dot? Check out the AmbGun page on the Mossberg pistols...and the MCARBO trigger spring kit is well worth the $15.
www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/mossberg
Was super happy with my mc2c !! Carry it still but Mossberg isn't a good 2a company , I said after months I love this can I buy slide that is optics ready ? No those are regulated parts by the government lol ..really I bought glock slide on eBay ..oh that's different they said ..I have the emails ..its a joke .Manti gun builder and anti gun ..I was so disappointed with a American manufacturer
In my contacts with Mossberg, I've never found them to be weak on support for 2A. They are kind of a hunting oriented company, but a defender of 2A.
I do wish they did more parts online...slides, mag internals, etc. Given that the licensed the Strike Industries takedown, I wonder if that is why they don't sell a OSP slide.
Does actually have a loaded chamber indicator incorporated into the external extractor similar to the CZ-P10 series pistols. It's very slight but it's there
Those extractor indicators are good for satisfying the legal bedwetters, but in a high stress situation where fine motor skills turn coarse they are all but useless. At least they don't risk a case blow out or encourage newbies to waggle the muzzle about like chamber view ports.
@@AmbGun I think it's something one would almost have to train their self to feel for the slightly raised function. I find myself intentionally looking for the raised indicator when I'm at the range..and of course that's not a high stress situation..I get that.
With the light strikes would you consider keeping the factory striker spring and only installing the MCARBO Sear spring and Striker block safety spring?
I will continue with the complete MCARBO kit. I don't normally run Tula steel case ammo. And we did have a couple of steel case Tula "light strikes" during a P365XL session a couple of months ago. So I'm not sure the MC2c or the lighter MCARBO springs are to blame.
According to your spreadsheet the Springfield Hellcat Pro packs the same amount of firepower into a slightly smaller package than the MC2c, so why would you pick the MC2c over the Hellcat Pro?
Higher grip ratio indexes for point shooting.
Do the new 14 and 16 round mags work with the original non-optic MC2c?
Yes. I've been encouraging Mossberg to offer a kit to upgrade the old capacity mags. I cover a lot of mag compatibility stuff in my MC2sc review.
th-cam.com/video/Lbb4ZzZJKnE/w-d-xo.html
You can swap the safety to operate the other direction for your other hand or your preference
Yes. Configurable for left or right hand. But not ambidextrous. Actually editing a video right now on MC2c with manual safety. Release in a week.
www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/mossberg
Would you please let me know what model of the red dot on your gun? I’m looking for one, thanks
Shield Sights RMSc
Question from a gun forum. Have you tired the 14 & 16 rd magazines from the optic ready MC2c in a non optic ready (13 & 15 rd version) MC2c? If so, do they fit and does non optic ready MC2c's fire okay with the larger capacity magazines?
Totally interchangeable. I wish Mossberg would offer an internals upgrade for the old MC2c mags.
www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/mossberg
Is it possible to get an optic ready slide for the earlier version?
I've been agitating for Mossberg to release more parts for the pistols on their online store. So far, slides are not officially available, but maybe by contacting customer support. But with the updated striker block safety, I think you'd need an updated trigger bar, too. Moreover, given how much slides cost, I think it'd be better to have two pistols...at least that's the route I went. Another advantage of the new pistol is the increased capacity of the new magazines. I'd really like to see Mossberg release the internals to upgrade earlier mags.
If you don't currently have the Tru-Glow tritium sights, THAT is an easy upgrade to make. Although for most people the installation should be performed by a gunsmith.
amzn.to/3pswQMj
You can DIY install new sights with a sight pusher tool. I list the Wheeler Engineering tool on my Mossberg page.
www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/mossberg
@@AmbGun So, you're saying I can make the slide on my original MC2c optic ready, without having to purchase the new upgraded model??
Many people struggle "finding the dot" on optics equipped pistols. I think practicing "point shooting" is the key to acquiring a fast sight picture. With a training laser, you could practice point shooting with your original MC2c. The Mossberg pistols are among the best point shooting pistols out there.
th-cam.com/video/eT6SOcnQZGE/w-d-xo.html
@@AmbGun thanks....!!
Cross bolt safety is a deal breaker for me otherwise I was very into this pew
Crossbolt safety is optional. I've never seen on in the wild.
Its there when you might want it and you dont have to use it. 😉 I got my mc2sc with it because thats the one that was on sale at the local store. I keep the safety on when its at home.
You want #89031. Optic cut. NO CROSSBOLT SAFETY.
You used to say Hellcat was your favorite. Are you just advertising guns for profit. Too bad. I enjoyed your content but don't like being sales pitched
Last month my AmbGun affiliate payout was about $40. My adventure channel (RaggedyEdge), with 1/20th the subs brought several times that...and I spend way more time filming and editing for AmbGun. While I think AmbGun is more important, I am considering transfering my focus to RaggedyEdge.
TH-cam payments last month were less than $10.
I hope AmbGun affiliate sales DO pick up. I desperately need a new computer, camera, tripod, and audio kit. I'm delaying dental work to keep videos coming through the end of this year in hopes that the affiliate payouts at least start covering my production costs. Filming and editing a review video is 30-40 hours of unpaid effort. And setting up shots really fucks up the enjoyment of shooting.
My "sales pitch" videos seem rather poorly designed to generate affiliate sales though.
Mossberg MC2c and MC2sc
MC2c with its glitchy trigger safety
Heavy cover plate and lack of m3 screws
Poorly positioned front serrations
Exposed mag release button
Stupid crossbolt safety
Plastic sear spring clip
Missing grip texture
MC2sc's proprietary rail
Sig P365XL
Mag button opposite side interference
Low grip ratio hinders point shooting
Proprietary Rail
Manual Safety, trigger glitch.
Springfield Hellcats and XDM 10
"Gain of Function" collusion optics (that one went over well at Springfield)
Polymer rear rails on XDM
Striker plate gap on XDM
The AmbGun.com affiliate sales thru Guns.com and Palmetto State Armory have generated zero in commissions...pretty good indicator that either I really suck at these "sales pitches" or American gun culture avoids using affiliate links thru some kind of envy motivated, r-selected, anti-competitive mental disorder.
www.ambgun.com
What sights fir on this?
Iron sights? SIG. Optics? RMSc pattern...even the non conforming ones.