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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 พ.ค. 2020
- Comparing the 3 best damage-dealing skills in P5R: Izanagi-no-Okami's Myriad Truths, Yoshitsune's Hassou Tobi and Kaguya's Shining Arrows. Expand the description for more info on the damage cap and how other Personas might stack up.
- What is the whole damage cap thing about?
In P5 and P5R, there is a 100% damage cap for boosting skills. If you have Boost+Amp+Magic Ability, you would expect to have 2.34x damage (1.25*1.5*1.25). However, boosts are capped at 100%, so those 3 skills at most would give you a 2x multiplier.
- Do traits exceed the damage cap?
Yes, they normally do. However, it has been found that Pagan Allure, Satanael's original trait, that strengthens magic attacks by 50%, does NOT exceed the cap. So if you already have Boost+Amp+Magic Ability, you will not see extra damage from Pagan Allure. However, Mighty Gaze can exceed the cap, so that is why it is on Kaguya. See TH-camr Sodium Cat's video, Mighty Gaze vs Pagan Allure, for evidence on this: • Mighty Gaze or Pagan A... .
- If Shining Arrows does 4-8x light damage and gets the benefit of the Boost+Amp+Magic Ability, how is it not stronger than Hassou Tobi, 8x light damage, which does not get any boosting passives?
It's important to know that "light" is just a subcategory for how much a skill does, not all skills that do light damage are equal. It's the same way with Colossal skills like God's Hand, Brave Blade and Sword Dance, they all do slightly different damage. So 1 "light" hit of Hassou Tobi is stronger than 1 "light" hit of Shining Arrows. That's why Hassou Tobi is still a bit stronger overall.
- Who's the best damage-dealing Persona after this?
Satanael with either Black Viper, God's Hand or Riot Gun, because of his unique skill Tyrant's Mind. I don't have Satanael's stats at 99 yet, but approximately, with all relevant traits/boosts:
Myriad Truths would do ~2.6x more than Riot Gun Satanael
Hassou Tobi would do ~1.3x more than Riot Gun Satanael
Shining Arrows would do ~1.15x more than Riot Gun Satanael
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see what's so absolutely f****** wild about Izanagi no okami is the fact that, yeah, he has the highest damage output in the entire game but his trait that gives that also halves all incoming damage on top of it as well as resisting all but bless and curse so not only is he a busted attacker he's also one of the best defensive personas in the game without any additional set up
Definitely fitting for a World persona.
No additional set up? country maker won't reach its full potential unless you max out the compendium and for that you need to be in NG+ and by then being OP is fine you already cleared the game so enjoy yourself and wreck havoc on these weak hoes and besides Izanagi-no-okami is the only playable persona of ZA WARUDOO arcana if he wasn't OP i would've been disappointed.
@@jackjohnson8305 what I mean is that if you max him for damage you won't need to do anything extra to make him bulky anyway. He doesn't really need to pick between attack and defense because he's able to just do both
If you bought the whole dlc then you get an accessory that nullifys bless and curse so almighty is his only non resisted elament and he uses almighty so he is perfect
Slap firm stance on him and you take literally nothing
It's hilarious when someone in your party says the reaper fight was too easy..even on merciless!
Leave the noob and move on. Futaba straight up spitting on reaper's face. Futuba please, without DLC we all die by now.
Merciless is easier than hard mode
@@himedo1512 not if u dont use any crits or shit like that
@@snokido122 then you're playing wrong
@@himedo1512 because im too powerful, i kill everyone in one turn
That's exactly why I almost always use Myriad Truths for damage. It's a shame that the other top damage skills don't even come close to it under normal circumstances, of course with the exception of hitting weaknesses (especially on Merciless).
“and if the games too hard on normal, we’ll play it on merciless”
That's why Yu is chad
0:47 pillow fort... sacred tempest!
I just imagined joker disarming a pillow fort to throw the pillows at the enemies
Pillow fight
Thanks man, my raoul is so good now.
when someone uses hassou tobi all i hear now is "what what what what what what"
BUUUUULL
"By the Myriad Truths!"
Joker says it in a cool way
There’s multiple routes to passing down traits I recommend finding the persona who has mighty gaze and use and online compendium and find your routes through there it’s like a 100 different ways to pass down each trait
Your videos are really awesome/informative. Really like the few posts you’ve made about persona on Medium as well. Hope you keep on making more in the future.
I plan to! Thank you for the comment, I appreciate it.
I always thought that there should be a pasiva that gives you 25% more physical dmg plus like any other skill and then the both 25% and 50% physical amplifications and with undying fury the damage of Yoshitsune would be such a show.
And with futsunushis trait maybe even more, not sure tho.
Yoshitsune will always be my favorite persona
Yeah, he has one of the best skills and he looks so cool as well
He is the best ever since P4 despite he doesn’t look flashy and his skill does not say “it deals ultimate damage” and it’s also easy to build an effective Yoshitsune build
This is why it’s so much loved
(Also Izanagi is locked behind a dlc and it’s a bit too broken and it doesn’t even look fair)
@@edwardsuou 1 year later i still fucking love Yoshitsune almost full drain even if not as powerfull as izanagi.
wait yoshitsune is a male?
@@yamete_kudasai6969obviously?
Hey man, just read ur Raoul Build and i have a question... how the hell did you change Raoul’s trait to Lotus Dance??
Just by re-fusing him. The Lotus trait is originally from Lakshmi, so Lakshmi + Pixie = Valkyrie. Valkyrie + Daisoujou = Raoul.
Bainz much appreciated!
Where did he show the Raoul build?
Harry medium.com/@bainz350/ultimate-persona-team-persona-5-royal-builds-1ec9f2fee2b5
I feel like if I'm using this persona I might as well play the game in easy mode
Hey, Bainz! I just thought of something regarding your methodology. Granted, all of these movies are unique to these Personas, but, if you want to compare just the base move itself, without any outside factors, shouldn't you do a raw damage calculation for each move? In this case, you have to divide the damage of M.T. by 4, S.A by 2.4, and H.T. by 1.3 to account for the other factors. By doing this, you get a more accurate representation of how strong each skill is ignoring everything else.
So, using your numbers, adjusting for the multipliers the base damages for each trait comes out to be:
H.T -> 297
S.A -> 141
M.T. -> 200.
So, using this logic, H.T. is actually stronger than M.T. aha. M.T. is stronger than H.T. not because of the move itself but because of the other boosts associated with, pretty neat to think about. Let me know your thoughts! Extrapolating further, you can also calculate how much damage each move does per hit.
M.T. -> 67 ("Severe")
H.T. -> 37.13 ("Light")
S.A. -> 23.5 ("Light")
Yeah, it is true if you remove the traits/passives, HT will be the strongest. Phys moves are generally the strongest themselves because there aren't any Phys Amps in the game. I wanted this vid to be the skills compared at their max potential, but ya it's a diff order for the skills on their own
@@bainz if there are buffs for phys dmg in P6 or so, the base HT would be weaker than MT.
nothing surpasses the busted myriad truth
Yoshi got a trait for 3x charge dmg. Would be nice to compare it with the other charged skills
@@benk15 it's just turn 2,5 charge for 3,0 charge
Where does “Ayamur” stand in unique skills? Is it half the strength of hassou tobi?
against the reaper and the holly grail shinning arrows does more damage than hassou tobi if i remember correctly
Universal law can pass the cap? I have a raoul and i use with mighty gaze, magic ability, allmigth amp-boost, if i always use phantomshow, in theory its better universal law
I believe Universal Law does exceed the cap. The only trait that I've seen so far have a damage cap restriction is Pagan Allure.
@@bainz well i expend all my day testing and i can corraborate, its stack, its not exactly 30% its around 25%, all técnic trait stacks, I hope this help everyone. Sorry for my english 😅
I've never found a situation where even only 4 hits of Shining Arrows didn't far out-damage all 8 hits of Hassou Tobi (with the same traits and passives supporting the damage as here), granted I've never tried Shining Arrows on the twins. Do the twins have lower Phys resistance than elemental resistance, perhaps?
Tested vs Yu and Makoto, and same result, HT is ~15% stronger on avg. Do you have Undying Fury on Yoshi and Mighty Gaze on Kaguya? And what have you tested on? If you can show pics of Shining Arrows doing more with the same set-up, by all means
Did you ever do fully stacked tests?
I've heard some stuff about "Multi hit moves receive buffs better" but i don't think that makes any sense whatsoever
the formula for the dmg uses the square root of the base potency value, so moves that have multiple hits usually end up dealing more dmg
One thing make Myriad Truth better than Hassou Tobi and Shining Arrows is no shadow/ boss ever resist/repel/drain almighty ever. Too good that it broke the game.
even if any ememy somehow resisted almighty it would still kill lol
@@alexmazza3784 there is an almighty resist boss in smt 3 that game is kinda tough
@@mannypacbeloud5786 Which boss are you talking about, I don't remember anyone having this feature, maybe Lucifer?
@@amedeotommasolafalce4002 Noah had Almighty Resist, but it's a joke if you have Pierce. Lucifer also has it, and the main use of Pierce
@@alexmazza3784
lavenza
The first time I saw Izanagi-no-Okami I was like "Yeah, that one's gona be OP af", especially since there aren't even any buffs or debuffs involved here.
As I do not have Izanagi-no Okami, can you use that persona in fusions? Been wondering if you could use fusion and gallows to give both Izanagi's trait and Myriad Truths skill to other personas.
both Myriad Truths and the trait are exclusive to Izanagi
@@bainz Ah, that sucks. Thanks for the info.
Same goes to Lucifer's morning star
Why did this come up when I searched for Agneyastra?
Problem for me with relying on a single persona skill is the fact every boss has certain resistances and even myriad of truths isn't always the optimal perona skill for the fight sometimes the old fashioned way to exploiting technicals and weaknesses is going to serve alot better than almighty damage against tougher opponents even if it does less damage overall.
I mean I dunno chief, Myriad of Truths is Almighty damage, so it's never resisted, never reflected, and it hits 3 times guaranteed. On top of him one shotting everything in the game, he resists everything but bless and curse (which can be nullified) and he will halve all incoming damage. He requires 0 thinking, just press X to win. I recently beat the game with using only him and well, the only time I had to use an item was on the final boss, and even then it was wasted. I'm gonna do an Arséne only run later on, but the game was FAR too easy with him.
@Fabulous Superstar thing is tho I've had situations where bosses make my life alot worse spamming myriad of truths before ng+ because the sp cost was so high I was running on fumes compared to using an elemental skill then follow up with a compatible skill to create a technical reaction. Also haso tobi is nuts it had a ridiculous number of hits which makes hitting an enemy with critical hits alot easier and when you critical hit the enemy is down.
@@fabuloussuperstar Lavenza first 3 phases says hi.
@@RaidenKaiser spell master and one of the Maria skills recovery 15 sp per turn
@@RaidenKaiser
You do know Izanagi no Okami Picaro doesn’t need to worry about SP, right..?
He has Victory Cry, which fully restores the user’s HP and SP after a battle.
Does anyone know if Pagan Allure stacks with passives in the new rerelease (I'm playing the switch version for reference)? I ask because I made Satanael with that trait, almighty amp, magic ability, and tyrant's mind to boost the damage of Black Viper. When I attack, it says on the top left "Power increased via *Pagan Allure*
Late but if i recall Pagen Allure doesn’t exceed the cap still
Pagan's Allure is all about hitting the damage cap with as few skills as possible so you now have a bunch of extra slots to work with to make Satanael a multi elemental spammer.
@@godlyBlade ino is better with multi elemental because with country maker and magic ability it makes it 125% so I use a phys/gun build with satanael lol
I just got a yoshitsune with the trait that triples charge damage. I'm good.
Undying Fury is a better trait for him because the 2.5x boost from charge + the 30% physical damage boost is better than thd 3x charge boost will of the sword gives
I like your scientific rigor
So Riot Gun Satanael still deals less dame than Hassou Tobi ?? So can u compare Black Viper Satanael vs Hassou Tobi; i need to know what is the best damage-dealing ( not included Myriad Truths, it's too op ) to start battle with lavenza in merciless
Yes, Hassou Tobi does about 30% more than Riot Gun Satanael. For Lavenza, she resists everything but Almighty, so Black Viper Satanael will be better for her.
Depends on how you build Satanael gun build. I was able to dish out 25k-44k damage with proper buffs on Merciless.
@@bainz Did you have Tyrant's Mind when you tested? That skill exceeds the damage cap
Nothing is to op for lavenza
How does Izanagi no okami have null on bless and curse? I don't see any passives that buff it.
Dlc Item
How do I manually raise Yoshitsune's stats? It's at level 99 but its physical attack strat is only at 70 something.
trigger a fusion alarm, fuse two personas together to get a persona with a gold name, then feed the gold persona to yoshitsune using the gallows, itll fail, and increase all your stats, repeat under fusion alarm until all stats are 99
@@lordyeeteth5133 thank you, I'll give it a try later!
just gotta do what LordYeeTeth said, tho the stats gained will be random you'll get +10 and will be distributed to all stats so gotta keep grinding till you hit 99 on the one that you want
@@jackjohnson8305 If you're in Royal you can also use Jazz Jin
Or use isolation cell and burn incense
the choice is yours
So any picaro persona is jokers persona for example izanagi no okami picaro
Imagine izanami as a persona, just imagine
Sorry, Kaguya's as close as you'll get.
Kaguya sucks in p4g insta kill attacks are useless against bosses
What if you used almighty amp almighty boost and magic ability (I think that's what it's called)
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@@hyhy2235 lmao I must be blind
Don't know what atlus thinking. Nerf pagan allure with cap, but let InO has Country maker. Never use it at all, cause everything even on merciless will be so damn easy
money. InO was paid dlc while pagan allure is not
Okay... but what is the best magic skill for those who don't have dlc? morning star from lucifer?
Morningstar, Black Viper, and any of the severe elemental skills works.
Satanael's Black Viper and Megidolaon are stronger than Lucifer's Morning Star due to his unique passive Tyrant's Mind, if you give him either Intense Focus for Black Viper or Mighty Gaze for Megidolaon (or Will of the Sword for both, tho you have to use Concentrate to get the maximum potential from this trait). However, Kaguya, while being a DLC Persona, she is actually free, and her Shining Arrow at maximum potential out-damages Satanael unless your enemy resist Bless
So basically if ready to pay for DLCs use Izanagi otherwise use Yoshitsune.
Use izanagi if you think easy mode is too hard
@@bakedcrystal915 Which means nobody ? As honnestly this game is far to easy especially the Royal version.
@@nesoukkefka1741 It's as it should be in my experience. Extremely hard to define what difficulty is as well in this sort of combat style as if you just play smart nothing will ever be difficult, yeah you might get close to death but you will always recover from it for example. Well except Okumura but that's not difficult, just stupid because reasons
When my friend "borrowed" my game for months and haven't got it back
Me:
Yooo-
Him:
Yo
Me:
-SHITSUNE!!!
Ahahaha good one
How can I get mighty gaze on kaguya and Satanael?
Fusion ingredients can change depending on what DLC you have, whether it's none, just the legacy or all. You can try Nue + Hua Po to transfer Mighty Gaze to Kaguya. Then Nue + Shiisaa to get Mighty Gaze on Anzu, which is a fusion ingredient for Satanael. Your best bet is using a fusion calculator online where you can toggle which DLC you have.
does this mean Izanami only had 800 health cause in the animation he just practically one shot her
Well I mean you had to bring her to no health in P4G then the cinematic played
Or at least I did
It's a cutscene,bro...by the game's logic,izanami cannot be defeated whatsoever without myriad truths.
Izanagi no okami alll
Why do people name joker akira, i kkow thats his name in the manga or smthn (i dont remember) but wadn't it intended to br given your own name
Obama Pranks calling him joker and akira are both correct, people say akira because you can't exactly use the name you gave him when talking about him
I have been playing persona 4 golden and yoshitsunes Hasso Tobi does around 110 per hit and I believe can hit up to 8 times? This just shows how it was butchered horrifically
Persona 4's version is overpowered
It still is broken in this game. He was just not stacking up Charge, buffing your own attack and debuffing enemy defense, because there really is no point in doing so while trying to compare the damage, as both Shining Arrow and Myriad Truths can benefits off from the same set up.
It's funny that you said they butchered it in this game while the description of this video clearly stated that Hassou Tobi is the second strongest skill in the game damage-wise, outclassing Shining Arrow while beaten only by Myriad Truths, a DLC-exclusive move. The only real nerf that Yoshitsune had in this game is that he is only available after you have maxed Morgana' Social Link, which actually comes AFTER Shido, the Penultimate Boss in the original version of the game.
It's kind of funny that you're talking about yoshitsunes being nerfed but in persona 4 gold izanagi in the game's Canon one shots the final boss.
He didnt account for the spell buffs from "magic ability", "bless/almighty amp/boost", or the traits. Country Maker is approximately a 2.0 dmg buff with the other traits giving .2 for mighty gaze & .3 for undying fury.
Base Dmg: Hassou Tobi, Myriad Truths, Shining Arrows
Optimized Dmg: Myriad Truths, Hassou Tobi, Shining Arrows
If you want to spend time optimizing use myriad truths, it has no downside cant be absorbed/reflected/nullified
I did take those into account? That's why at the end, I said "at full capacity", meaning when each Persona has their best trait and relevant passives. Base damage isn't really relevant, because it's not that hard to add the appropriate trait/passives to a Persona.
How to make satanael
Beat the gme
Damm
I'm be honest people only resort to use Izanagi-no-okami if they are still some how struggling on okumura and if use Izanagi-no-okami outside of hard boss then you probably cheat of open book test
I've personally never had trouble on any boss in base P5(Outside of true ending boss on Merciless, but I got around that w/Ryuji+Makoto+Yusuke comp) and I'd prolly use Izanagi-nO because I love the animation and big numbers are satisfying.
Haven't bought P5R yet, so idk if any of the bosses are harder now.
I only use Izanagi-no-okami so I can scream "ZA WARUDO!" when I use a heat risen/debilitated/concentrated Myriad Truths
Ezgamey No Okami
I feel like the twins aren't the best example for a damage comparison since their defense is way higher than practically every enemy in the game
Make a busted Jack Frost
I made test with kaguuya mighty gaze , and yoshitsune undying fury , max out st , ma both 4 of them , on twins , reaper ,other bosses , yes kaguuya deal more damage than yoshitsune
Show some pics/vid of Kaguya doing more in the same scenario? What you're describing is the same as what's in the video. Kaguya doesn't do more on avg, it was the same in Vanilla P5