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I wish Vinny paid more attention when doing the 'Kokiri Forest -old-' part. The trees were chopped down and there was an ax sign all huge and hung up, and the moblins being there meant the place was probably occupied and being deforested under Ganon's control there. That's pretty messed up.
Vinny makes the joke about the fairy breaking the boundaries and that would be weird. meanwhile Mario 64 allows you to get on the castle roof and see all the nothing behind the castle and through the game geometry. which makes me wonder if thats kind of a special reward in itself: "it will be a players first 3D experience, lets pull back the curtain a bit after they done everything." idk, it just got me thinking.
that is such a cool thought, i literally never considered that. even if that might not have been the intent, it's so cool how far its gotten us thinking.
@@xshobux lol. oh right, thats is a thing. i would have wondered if they fixed that in the Shindou version, which added rumble and fixed some bugs like BLJ, but 3D All-stars is the Shindou version and no they didnt fix it. so maybe it was an afterthought, or maybe just those rear spires were. who knows?
Maybe one day we’ll get an Earthbound 64 Leak and can see what could have been. Dinosaur Planet looked promising even if it was just an early build. 1997 Spaceworld Ocarina of Time is very interesting seeing all the beta stuff that didn’t make it into the final game like manual jumping lol.
I so badly want an Eartbound 64 leak. Mother 3's development is so mysterious and it's wild to me that there's a version of the game out there that's on a completely different console. From the screenshots we have, it looks so different yet similar in a way where I can tell the game we got was the end result of it, if that makes any sense. I'd just love to be able to see that missing link in full....
@@WasabiKitCat I believe that the story was also quite different from the GBA release we got since in some screenshots we see what looks a lot like ness and a brief scene where onett is being destroyed and a couple other interesting stuff, man I really want that to leak someday lol
From what I recall some of the team that worked on Mother 3 on the GBA were brought in to play Earthbound 64. For the most part it got to the end of Chapter 1 then would crash from what they recalled
I can't wait for the inevitable leak of the unicorn fountain, the thought of being able to see the mythical fountain we heard about for so many years, even if only a recreation, would be a childhood dream come true
Ive heard all sorts of rumors about OoT, from getting the triforce, to the goddesses visiting the Deku Tree, to actually beating the running man... I have never heard of this fountain a day in my life...
@@tek3576 Nope, still no Unicorn model neither on the Gigaleak nor on the overdump. With all full playable prototypes that appear around, though, I wonder if a playable Zelda 64 built showing up is just a matter of time.
@@kat_lynx A guy from Argonaut (Star fox devs) who helped on the Zelda 64 prototype actually showed a few seconds of footage he still had saved. Back when the game was in 1st person and took place entirely in Ganon's Castle. He went through a portal which took him to another area instantly.
I think the best take of OoT I've ever seen is from Running Shine, which I recommend anyone to watch since it's extremely entertaining. I'm going to steal a bit of it here. People really gas this game the hell up and it does it no favors since the early 3d has caused it to age worse than late 2d might have. It's not the next coming of christ, it's not going to file your taxes for you, It won't cure your polio, but holy hell it does a lot right and it did it out of the gate without any previous game for it to copy, in a pretty damn short time frame. I agree with Arin's take on Skyward Sword though. That game really is the 'trust fund kid' of zeldas.
@@PrismTheKid yeah I kinda wish Arin had focused more on criticizing some later zeldas that maybe took some of the wrong lessons forward from Ocarina, as opposed to blaming Ocarina itself. I feel like there'd be more of an actual discussion there. I forget when he said it, but later on he said that he isn't sure how he feels about some of the points he made in that sequelitis, but he still feels like the humor is on point. And yeah, if you don't worry about some of the things he says in that video it IS funny as hell.
@@PrismTheKid I have never found a way to encapsulate the feeling of Skyward and "trust fund kid" fits it too perfect. You can have a lot of fun with it but man is it shallow
To be fair, Arin had great points like "my object permanence has not yet kicked in so if a spike is out of my sight, that's bad game design" and "there are like, 5 instances in the game where you have to press C-Up to search for a switch to open a door, that's bad game design" or my absolute favorite "the game forces you to wait on everything and that's bad game design because I knowingly or unknowingly omit the fact that as you get better at the game and gain more items, you continually start to change the pace of battles, and enemies that scared you before are now obliterated with one smart shot and that is tangible growth that you feel as a player, which is something that I praised as GOOD game design in the Mega Man sequelitis but for some reason it's irrelevant here" Maybe funni TH-cam men who are (understandably) mostly concerned with making an entertaining video and who have never worked in game design before should not be an authority on game design
49:39 is such a beautiful scenery. Dark woods fighting monsters, follow a path, go into the main lobby of the dungeon, level. Someone needs to take this and make it it's own game.
Yes!!! He did it! Ahhh. I love this n64 renaissance we're in. The medallion shit is so fucking cool I need that and the other beta items in an Ocarina mod that's just vanilla plus rumor dungeons.... And maybe Mirinda chest for Link.
I know it's not just a Nintendo problem regarding video game companies withholding beta/unreleased content from the public, but as usual; despite Nintendo's love for money, they decide not to make more money by giving fans stuff they'd absolutely pay for, like access to beta versions of their most beloved games. Instead, fans do it themselves for free, then Nintendo makes them play DMCA 2 (which doesn't actually have much effect, just makes it slightly harder to find online). The fact Star Fox 2 ever officially released still boggles my mind and makes me mildly hopeful for a future where Nintendo publicizes unreleased content and the development process of their games more, but I also feel like that was fluke and something like that will never happen again.
Playing this with the A and B button switched threw me for a loop throughout the entire playthrough. It really was a struggle after playing the original game and after. Regardless, the Medallion effects being retooled into the Spells was an interesting find. Many of these maps could probably be retooled into a much more streamlined hack for something new but familiar.
to be fair those mods are potentially good if you can pull it off, but they never are. which is a shame cause if a good one existed I’d totally play it.
To be fair, B3313 only draws on that as part of the meme. It's not meant to be an actual recreation like this one or the Monster Party one (Which wouldn't of been necessary if that damn collector.. anyway)
@@ollieguy6781 B3313 is poised in a unique situation to do something magical, and in certain cases it pulls it off with aplomb, in other cases it just devolves into eyerolling creepypasta shit. Here's the thing: Mario 64 is an _impressively_ ubiquitous game for its period. It was a lot of people's introduction to 3D gaming as a brand new concept, and the worlds are small enough and recognizable enough that there are a lot of us who have basically internalized almost every level layout. I could easily do an accurate 70-star run of the game in my _head._ And now we're approaching that magical 30-year gap that makes it prime nostalgia bait material, and here comes B3313 as a mixture of actual beta content, creepypasta "every copy is personalized" nonsense, and a good deal of original content besides, which it crams together in impressively original ways, particularly in how you navigate the castle hub (or attempt to). There's a lot of weird liminal space stuff going on that's just there for sake of being there, and things like that "handless clock" texture that shows up over and over again throughout the castle are _fantastic_ because they're taken from the actual beta, they genuinely look kinda creepy, and they're just _there._ B3313 doesn't need the creepypasta stuff to be creepy. All it needs is to be _slightly different_ from vanilla Mario 64 (and it's got that in spades already) and the unsettling vibe practically creates itself. Get rid of the jumpscare crap, get rid of the A-posing faceless Marios that kill you on contact, don't have Yoshi explicitly tell you not to go into the nightmare cave, don't give the Bob-ombs red eyes just because it makes them look creepier, _we don't need any of this_ for it to be an intriguing, confusing, nostalgic-yet-original experience.
Boy, being able to jump whenever (And having to do so to mantle up onto platforms) REALLY makes you appreciate how well Ocarina of Time handles it's platforming. Even when I went back to do a randomizer a few years ago after not playing it for ten+ years, I was amazed at how well it's controls, camera, and movement worked. Truly a benchmark for other games to aspire to.
I remember as a kid really wanting to go into first person camera in the pre rendered areas and thinking "the creators are idiots for not letting us do this", I didn't really know how games worked since this was my first video game.
I feel like it would either be awful, or roughly the same as just using bombs or bombchus, lol. Enemies in OoT just don't move in a way that's condusive to touching traps that you've set.
41:42 Something tell me the explosion radius on most or all the attacks vinny did is x10 bigger than the effects displayed on the screen which is why the chicken attacked and also why the bombs vinny sat down randomly blew up.
or that it acts just like the suns song (being the light medallion and all), but deals damage to everything in the room instead of just stunning undead
It seemed like they had some ambitious ideas for the time but probably couldn't fully implement them due to cartridge space or that it made gameplay clunky.
It almost makes me wish that an earlier build of the game would be found like the one where Link was fighting a metal version of himself in that one trailer.
@@AnAverageGoblin What a shame, I heard how Ocarina of Time was originally going to be a 2.5D side-scroller with a first person perspective in the over world and then switching to 2D for battles. I wish we could've seen what a proto build of that would've looked like.
Yeah I believe this game was supposed to be on the N64DD but since that was a massive flop and delayed wayyyy too far they had to convert it, but for what they did it's still excellent for it's time and even today.
I really wonder how much of the simplification they did for the final game was due to cartridge and system limitations, and how much was time constraints too. Like, they had a more detailed forest and more enemies, so those were probably to save space. Makes you wonder what game we would have got if they had the same engine, but the more open storage and processing resources available today.
@@SOMEGUY7893 I don't think Ocarina was designed for the DD. That was Majora's Mask, originally called Zelda Gaiden. Unless there would have been a disk version that is the equivalent of dlc?
@@ZiggyStardust49 Back when it was still Zelda 64 it was intended to be released for the Disk Drive at one point before that was canned with the failure of the Disk Drive and it was eventually reworked into Ocarina of Time.
@@SOMEGUY7893 that was Majoras Mask.. not OOT.... Majoras mask was designed as a possible extension for OoT(or a brand new game) via the disk Drive NOT the original
IIRC, the layout of the Poe-racing area in the overdump is almost identical to the layout of the Dampé-racing area in the final game. They just switched the textures from "generic dungeon" to "spooky underground dungeon." So much was changed between SW and release that it's notable when you find something that _didn't_ change in some way.
The fairy thing could be limited by magic and ceilings. Also you could probably only use it in certain places. It could work. By the way. 1:14:00 I miss this so much.
You'd probably wanna be born in the 80's then. I was born in 92, so I was only 4 when the N64 came out. I might have actually played a 3d game before playing a 2d one.
I was born in the 80s. It was wild seeing Mario 64 for the first time. Then again, we also had to deal with stuff like Bubsy 3D. Some games had a tough transition to 3D.
@@BaldorfBreakdowns It depends on what your family had at the time, really. I was born in 91 but remember playing tons of SNES and Sega Genesis before an N64 entered our home. Needless to say, it was mind blowing playing Mario 64 the first time.
I grew up in the early 90's and going from SNES to N64 playing Goldeneye and Super Mario 64 genuinely gave me this sense of amazement and wonder that I've never experienced since with gaming. Sure I was impressed with future generations graphics but nothing truly came close to that feeling I had way back when.
I think Vinny's confusing his info. It wasn't Saddam Hussein who was found with games in his computer. But Osama Bin Laden who was found to have a number of games saved, most from the snes era. Also had a couple of anime related content as well.
Its kind of odd to realize that the same games we cherish and love as kids were also cherished and loved even by murderers, and rulers of the world. I wonder what kind of games Hitler would have liked, if they had been around in his time now. Think he would have liked Link to the Past?
@@KitsuneDzelda Guess when Nintendo and other game companies say they make games that anyone can enjoy they mean it to heart. As for Hitler gaming, I suppose if games where around his time he'd probably like strategy based games like: Command & Conquer, X-com or Fire Emblem. Or maybe he'd like games with a good art direction, that have visuals that could emulate the feeling of a painting or in a sorta similar vein maybe Cuphead since he liked Disney animations. As for A Link to the Past maybe, if he saw clearing the dungeons like conquering a piece of the map. I probably put too much thought into this, but as morbid as it sounds it was pretty fun diving into the mind of a madman to guess what his gaming preferences would be. Lol
They were found on computers in the compound, there were a lot of people there including children It's funny to think of Osama bin Laden watching Nichijou but it was probably someone's kid
@@bluegum6438 Ah! I see, didn't know that part. Kinda a shame I liked the idea of bin Laden playing some snes roms in his down time and following it up with an episode from a slice of life.
ジャラ may be referring to the sound word jara, which means to jingle, might be fitting for elven like Kokiri people to jingle or refer to it. I'm not sure if they were even known as Kokiri back then though. My second guess is Jara being a Kokiri, or whatever they were before, being like karera, meaning a group of people.
Glad someone was appreciated the graphics “back then” I remember being blown up as a kid when this first came out right leaving korkiri forest. I was like there’s more I was blown away by running around the what I believed was a huge map to explore but it was so much better than anything still the game still holds the test of time…love it!
Always cool to see Zelda 64 stuff. I just still dream of one day seeing Beta castle town. Even if all the buildings are just doll house facades it'd still be worth it.
This just makes me badly want a OoT remake in the style of FF7 Remake. Just all these cool ideas they had, but with modern day tech and knowledge. I'm so upset the Medallions didn't pass as item cause that's such a sick idea.
My thoughts after seeing some of the old concepts is that since they had the smaller moblins and peahats they could've been put in other areas of the game to have more enemy variety especially with the smaller (but shittier looking) stalfos knights. Hyrule field could've been had random enemies spawned in the field when you're adult link just to show how much of ganon's evil influence has actually changed the land. And while yeah the medallions and arrows are kind of busted, this wasn't considering magic as a factor when used. Like using medallions should cost a lot of magic especially the shadow (which would normally use all of it since it's nayru's love) and spirit medallion (Since even though it's one of the last ones you'd get it's still weird to go places you shouldn't normally even with barriers around to prevent going out of bounds.). Arrows costs should be based on whatever effect and power they could have on a target. I think if anyone decides to mod ocarina of time with stuff involving the space world demo these are probably things that should be considered when working on it.
It's kind of interesting that they chose the range of notes for the ocarina that spanned all of the different modes for unique songs so early in development, either someone on the music department was involved in development or it was extreme fluke.
I remember 1998 I was 10 when this game came out. My dad took me to zellers to buy it but wouldnt let me play it til I got home from school the following day and finished my homework. I was salivating over the game box. Was the coolest shit I ever saw. Got the gold cartridge and everything. I've never been so excited for a game before or since. This game was so difficult for me. I had to lend my friend my cartridge so he could help me beat the the forest temple because it scared the hell out of me and he helped me beat the water temple because I couldn't figure it out. I still remember that, Mike. Thanks dude.
@@teyoru Still a fair difference in playing it in this proper recreation and playing it in that pack that was only made to be the 'first' to release a playable set of those maps. It would be like speeding through a complete film because you saw a folder with all of the raw footage. Honestly, Vinny missed out on a LOT in this because of that.
got to finally try this out recently and im surprised in some areas they had the beta area water animated and then in almost every other area they didnt animate it. overall an interesting look in to the "what could have been" from the various builds before the end product. like from the looks of just old Hyrule Field, they had so much already kind of figured out so far back before REALLY reworking areas and polishing things up.
So, what exactly was Spaceworld '97? A game convention? An outer space festival? Genuinely curious, dood. On another note, the Temple of Time exterior was gorgeous. Dare to say, I kinda like that a lot more than what we got in the actual game.
Spaceworld was a series of Japanese video game tradeshows, hosted by Nintendo. They ran from 1989 to 2001. After 2001, Nintendo just stuck with showcasing stuff at E3.
Hey there! Just wanted to say, thanks for representing the Disgaea series! Making my way through the whole series during the quarantine. I'm at the Post Game of D4 Complete right now, and it has been quite the ride!
@@RedSpade37 Oh, thanks, lol! I just know what I like, so you'll find me wherever there's Disgaea, Dragon Quest, or Go Shiina. I hope you're enjoying D4C! The 2nd Disgaea I ever played, and probably the one I've put the most hours into, next to D5, I'm sure, dood.
I know right? It feels so historical, like no one's visiting because its just a boring temple, but it holds a lot of significance in the story. It kind of reminds me of the medieval Croatia bit of the talos principle.
The do-rag Kokiri looks like the kind of guy who'd skip out on work as a McDonald's fry cook to smoke weed out of the back of his live-in van, which he rents from his grandmother.
Does anyone know what happened to the upload of that stream from last year where he explored some of the beta maps from Ocarina of Time? I wanted to rewatch that after watching this and I can’t seem to find it.
When you play this version of the game some of the quirky aspects of OOT start to make sense. Like how useless the shield is in OOT and the seemly random placement of Magic Arrows and spells. Heck the Water Temple being 1 floor taller explains how much of a pain in the ass some of those small keys are to get.
Hi Vinny, it’s Scottish Vinny. This is a wonderful video. I remember the majesty of Zelda, when I played in in Xmas 1997 with my granny. There’s something really eerie when you watch incomplete games. I mean, Zelda games are haunting, numinous, and mysterious even in their finished form…
I feel a jump like that just doesn't have a place in sort of game and world they designed. It's not like there's any case of a high platform or ledge being inaccessible with the auto jump and auto climb mechanics. The fact you really don't need the manual jump at all throughout the demo recreation is a testament to how unnecessary it ultimately was.
1:15:58 GIVE ME AN HERB! GIVE ME AN EGG THE SIZE OF AN AK-47! Those hat physics are rad, one can only assume they cut that because it was noticeably taxing on the framerate, or caused horrendous glitches in some areas, or whatever. Or maybe just cause Nintendo hates fun. Also, the ability swing once while moving like in Twilight Princess, neat. Being able to passively block projectiles with the shield without having to actively defend. All these little differences are... NEAT.
Saddam's hard drive had a bunch of children's shows and games and it was apparent that they were for his kids. You can Google the lo ist of files and their names off his drive, it was released publicly and is kinda funny. Really humanizes him seeing the stuff on there.
Idk if those animations were remade but those be some smooth ass animations than the final game lol. Moving and attacking would have been cool to have.
A few options Vinny doesn't explore that I was curious about were: using the white Light Medallion in an area without Cuccos and using the yellow Spirit Medallion on an arrow. I think maybe the Light spell hit a Cucco so it triggered an attack? Obviously when combo-ed with arrows it becomes the Light Arrow(s). My only thought with the "Spirit" (soul?) medallion, is that using it as a projectile allows you to swap bodies??...since you basically do that with Navi....or it's not so much a swap as a one-way possession. And maybe it just wouldnt work on bosses or in certain rooms?? Controlling enemies is a tall order for such a game, but obviously there's tons of puzzle applications.
The White medallion does a Sun's Song effect to enemies for a brief moment, and they are the original Light Arrows. I think the Yellow Medallion arrows make magic or fairies drop from certain enemies. Can't remember which. If you search ZFG, he has a really in depth video covering basically everything.
Once devs discovered the mystery of 3d realm exploration, they became a bit overzealous with size and room to discover more things. Clearly after testing these early creations, they would not fly for both the hardware and the attention span of the audience.
You know that feeling of liminal spaces? Well, i think that a similar feeling accompanies these sorts of clearly bairn and unfinished video game areas like this where it gives off this sort of bizarre and uncanny feeling. It's just so empty and lonely and feels like it was slapped together in like a complete mess and just looks so bad and it is so obvious that the devs weren't used yet to making these sorts of large 3d environments so it's just nit fun at all and it just makes me feel so weird inside.
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I wish Vinny paid more attention when doing the 'Kokiri Forest -old-' part. The trees were chopped down and there was an ax sign all huge and hung up, and the moblins being there meant the place was probably occupied and being deforested under Ganon's control there. That's pretty messed up.
Vinny makes the joke about the fairy breaking the boundaries and that would be weird. meanwhile Mario 64 allows you to get on the castle roof and see all the nothing behind the castle and through the game geometry. which makes me wonder if thats kind of a special reward in itself: "it will be a players first 3D experience, lets pull back the curtain a bit after they done everything." idk, it just got me thinking.
that is such a cool thought, i literally never considered that. even if that might not have been the intent, it's so cool how far its gotten us thinking.
I still think it's funny how they didn't even bother to give the rear spires any collision, like the roof thing was just an afterthought.
@@xshobux lol. oh right, thats is a thing. i would have wondered if they fixed that in the Shindou version, which added rumble and fixed some bugs like BLJ, but 3D All-stars is the Shindou version and no they didnt fix it. so maybe it was an afterthought, or maybe just those rear spires were. who knows?
Nah them dum dums goofed.
It's also a Mario game, in a series that doesn't really take itself that seriously.
it's only a matter of time until spaceworld itself can be faithfully recreated on real hardware.
This runs on real hardware,and was tested on an N64,the reveal trailer even has footage from an N64
I'm imagining putting a cart on my N64 and actually being sent to the past to the Spaceworld event like in those videogame comercials
Maybe one day we’ll get an Earthbound 64 Leak and can see what could have been. Dinosaur Planet looked promising even if it was just an early build. 1997 Spaceworld Ocarina of Time is very interesting seeing all the beta stuff that didn’t make it into the final game like manual jumping lol.
DP was a late build for the n64. Or what the original game was gonna be. Early Build of Star Fox Adventures.
I so badly want an Eartbound 64 leak. Mother 3's development is so mysterious and it's wild to me that there's a version of the game out there that's on a completely different console. From the screenshots we have, it looks so different yet similar in a way where I can tell the game we got was the end result of it, if that makes any sense. I'd just love to be able to see that missing link in full....
@@WasabiKitCat I believe that the story was also quite different from the GBA release we got since in some screenshots we see what looks a lot like ness and a brief scene where onett is being destroyed and a couple other interesting stuff, man I really want that to leak someday lol
From what I recall some of the team that worked on Mother 3 on the GBA were brought in to play Earthbound 64. For the most part it got to the end of Chapter 1 then would crash from what they recalled
@@WasabiKitCat well earthbound 64 runs on the same engine that Pokémon stadium runs on so maybe one day Nintendo and Hal will reveal it
I can't wait for the inevitable leak of the unicorn fountain, the thought of being able to see the mythical fountain we heard about for so many years, even if only a recreation, would be a childhood dream come true
I thought we already had that model
Ive heard all sorts of rumors about OoT, from getting the triforce, to the goddesses visiting the Deku Tree, to actually beating the running man... I have never heard of this fountain a day in my life...
@@tek3576 Nope, still no Unicorn model neither on the Gigaleak nor on the overdump. With all full playable prototypes that appear around, though, I wonder if a playable Zelda 64 built showing up is just a matter of time.
@@tek3576 i believe the room where the unicorn fountain is was dumped, but since it was just room data, the fountain itself is still missing
@@kat_lynx A guy from Argonaut (Star fox devs) who helped on the Zelda 64 prototype actually showed a few seconds of footage he still had saved. Back when the game was in 1st person and took place entirely in Ganon's Castle. He went through a portal which took him to another area instantly.
14:40 Zildo, as weird as it sounds, was a real thing. It was a clone of a link to the past available on google play back in like 2012.
zildo sounds like something to regret googling, like balldo
dill dough
zildo sounds like a raunchy parody lol
@@sydney_pepper BALDO BOMB!
You zerkin off with your zildo?
The fan-betrayer Arin Hanson: "Ocarina of Time is a bad game"
The Vinny Appreciator: 1:12:16
I think the best take of OoT I've ever seen is from Running Shine, which I recommend anyone to watch since it's extremely entertaining. I'm going to steal a bit of it here.
People really gas this game the hell up and it does it no favors since the early 3d has caused it to age worse than late 2d might have. It's not the next coming of christ, it's not going to file your taxes for you, It won't cure your polio, but holy hell it does a lot right and it did it out of the gate without any previous game for it to copy, in a pretty damn short time frame.
I agree with Arin's take on Skyward Sword though. That game really is the 'trust fund kid' of zeldas.
@@PrismTheKid yeah I kinda wish Arin had focused more on criticizing some later zeldas that maybe took some of the wrong lessons forward from Ocarina, as opposed to blaming Ocarina itself. I feel like there'd be more of an actual discussion there.
I forget when he said it, but later on he said that he isn't sure how he feels about some of the points he made in that sequelitis, but he still feels like the humor is on point. And yeah, if you don't worry about some of the things he says in that video it IS funny as hell.
@@PrismTheKid I have never found a way to encapsulate the feeling of Skyward and "trust fund kid" fits it too perfect. You can have a lot of fun with it but man is it shallow
2d is better
To be fair, Arin had great points like "my object permanence has not yet kicked in so if a spike is out of my sight, that's bad game design" and "there are like, 5 instances in the game where you have to press C-Up to search for a switch to open a door, that's bad game design" or my absolute favorite "the game forces you to wait on everything and that's bad game design because I knowingly or unknowingly omit the fact that as you get better at the game and gain more items, you continually start to change the pace of battles, and enemies that scared you before are now obliterated with one smart shot and that is tangible growth that you feel as a player, which is something that I praised as GOOD game design in the Mega Man sequelitis but for some reason it's irrelevant here"
Maybe funni TH-cam men who are (understandably) mostly concerned with making an entertaining video and who have never worked in game design before should not be an authority on game design
"Can you mount wild horses?"
Cue Vinny, nocking an arrow
"Over your fireplace?"
**Vinny releases arrow**
"Hagrid Chad McFucksteak"
I'm dead. Do not resuscitate.
You are dead. Not big soup rice.
49:39 is such a beautiful scenery. Dark woods fighting monsters, follow a path, go into the main lobby of the dungeon, level. Someone needs to take this and make it it's own game.
Yes!!! He did it! Ahhh. I love this n64 renaissance we're in. The medallion shit is so fucking cool I need that and the other beta items in an Ocarina mod that's just vanilla plus rumor dungeons.... And maybe Mirinda chest for Link.
@@joshshrum2764 Meee?
Oddly enough, you can kind of see the seeds of Breath of the Wild in the OoT beta maps.
I'm glad Vinny is streaming again, Jara!
So hes streaming back on twitch? I always watch on youtube and ive been kind of wondering that
@@bryguy9233 he's on and off, certain games on occasion he likes to see chat so he streams.
@@teapeaa thanks!
I'm in the mood for munching on some nice crunchy rocks, Goro!
@@bryguy9233 of course! Your simple kindess was nice as well, i appreciate it
I hate to say it but if these companies actually sold their beta demos I would happily pay for them, betas are so cool to go through
I know it's not just a Nintendo problem regarding video game companies withholding beta/unreleased content from the public, but as usual; despite Nintendo's love for money, they decide not to make more money by giving fans stuff they'd absolutely pay for, like access to beta versions of their most beloved games. Instead, fans do it themselves for free, then Nintendo makes them play DMCA 2 (which doesn't actually have much effect, just makes it slightly harder to find online).
The fact Star Fox 2 ever officially released still boggles my mind and makes me mildly hopeful for a future where Nintendo publicizes unreleased content and the development process of their games more, but I also feel like that was fluke and something like that will never happen again.
@@That_One_Xatu can you imagine if they released those beta demos on Switch as a bonus for their online?
Honestly all games should have beta/alpha builds released as free dlc. That's what New Blood did for Dusk and Amid Evil
Some companies do this, they just call it final release.
@@Tsukiru Yeah only a small percentage of internet people would like it. Everyone else might complain hard about them being not fully playable.
Playing this with the A and B button switched threw me for a loop throughout the entire playthrough. It really was a struggle after playing the original game and after. Regardless, the Medallion effects being retooled into the Spells was an interesting find. Many of these maps could probably be retooled into a much more streamlined hack for something new but familiar.
Finally, an N64 Beta Recreation mod that _ISN'T_ supposed to be *_wOoOo SpOoKy._*
to be fair those mods are potentially good if you can pull it off, but they never are. which is a shame cause if a good one existed I’d totally play it.
Shut up. 🙄
@@LeonardoRodrigues-uj1sm no u
To be fair, B3313 only draws on that as part of the meme. It's not meant to be an actual recreation like
this one or the Monster Party one (Which wouldn't of been necessary if that damn collector.. anyway)
@@ollieguy6781 B3313 is poised in a unique situation to do something magical, and in certain cases it pulls it off with aplomb, in other cases it just devolves into eyerolling creepypasta shit. Here's the thing: Mario 64 is an _impressively_ ubiquitous game for its period. It was a lot of people's introduction to 3D gaming as a brand new concept, and the worlds are small enough and recognizable enough that there are a lot of us who have basically internalized almost every level layout. I could easily do an accurate 70-star run of the game in my _head._
And now we're approaching that magical 30-year gap that makes it prime nostalgia bait material, and here comes B3313 as a mixture of actual beta content, creepypasta "every copy is personalized" nonsense, and a good deal of original content besides, which it crams together in impressively original ways, particularly in how you navigate the castle hub (or attempt to). There's a lot of weird liminal space stuff going on that's just there for sake of being there, and things like that "handless clock" texture that shows up over and over again throughout the castle are _fantastic_ because they're taken from the actual beta, they genuinely look kinda creepy, and they're just _there._
B3313 doesn't need the creepypasta stuff to be creepy. All it needs is to be _slightly different_ from vanilla Mario 64 (and it's got that in spades already) and the unsettling vibe practically creates itself. Get rid of the jumpscare crap, get rid of the A-posing faceless Marios that kill you on contact, don't have Yoshi explicitly tell you not to go into the nightmare cave, don't give the Bob-ombs red eyes just because it makes them look creepier, _we don't need any of this_ for it to be an intriguing, confusing, nostalgic-yet-original experience.
Boy, being able to jump whenever (And having to do so to mantle up onto platforms) REALLY makes you appreciate how well Ocarina of Time handles it's platforming. Even when I went back to do a randomizer a few years ago after not playing it for ten+ years, I was amazed at how well it's controls, camera, and movement worked. Truly a benchmark for other games to aspire to.
Thanks for saying this. I had a similar experience.
Just got back from the bathroom, WTF you were playing without me?
I remember as a kid really wanting to go into first person camera in the pre rendered areas and thinking "the creators are idiots for not letting us do this", I didn't really know how games worked since this was my first video game.
Honestly kinda bummed they cut the landmine. That would've been fun as hell to use.
I feel like it would either be awful, or roughly the same as just using bombs or bombchus, lol. Enemies in OoT just don't move in a way that's condusive to touching traps that you've set.
41:42 Something tell me the explosion radius on most or all the attacks vinny did is x10 bigger than the effects displayed on the screen which is why the chicken attacked and also why the bombs vinny sat down randomly blew up.
or that it acts just like the suns song (being the light medallion and all), but deals damage to everything in the room instead of just stunning undead
Soo happy that Vinny decided to stream this on a sunday! Woohoo!
My crappy day just turned nice.
"theyre on the right track" I will pass this feedback on to my team. Airigrotto.
It seemed like they had some ambitious ideas for the time but probably couldn't fully implement them due to cartridge space or that it made gameplay clunky.
It almost makes me wish that an earlier build of the game would be found like the one where Link was fighting a metal version of himself in that one trailer.
@@doclouis4236 That wasn't a playable build. it was an animation
@@AnAverageGoblin What a shame, I heard how Ocarina of Time was originally going to be a 2.5D side-scroller with a first person perspective in the over world and then switching to 2D for battles. I wish we could've seen what a proto build of that would've looked like.
Yeah I believe this game was supposed to be on the N64DD but since that was a massive flop and delayed wayyyy too far they had to convert it, but for what they did it's still excellent for it's time and even today.
I really wonder how much of the simplification they did for the final game was due to cartridge and system limitations, and how much was time constraints too. Like, they had a more detailed forest and more enemies, so those were probably to save space. Makes you wonder what game we would have got if they had the same engine, but the more open storage and processing resources available today.
This might still be stuff left-over from when the game was going to be on Disk Drive.
@@SOMEGUY7893 I don't think Ocarina was designed for the DD. That was Majora's Mask, originally called Zelda Gaiden. Unless there would have been a disk version that is the equivalent of dlc?
@@ZiggyStardust49 Back when it was still Zelda 64 it was intended to be released for the Disk Drive at one point before that was canned with the failure of the Disk Drive and it was eventually reworked into Ocarina of Time.
@@SOMEGUY7893 that was Majoras Mask.. not OOT....
Majoras mask was designed as a possible extension for OoT(or a brand new game) via the disk Drive NOT the original
@@weberman173 No you are right that Majora's Mask was Ura Zelda but that wasn't the same thing as Zelda 64's DD version.
39:50
**Literally just Farore's Wind**
"I don't know what that does."
...Yeah, vinny. I never use it either, hehe.
IIRC, the layout of the Poe-racing area in the overdump is almost identical to the layout of the Dampé-racing area in the final game. They just switched the textures from "generic dungeon" to "spooky underground dungeon." So much was changed between SW and release that it's notable when you find something that _didn't_ change in some way.
Spider-man: Home Invasion
Spider-man: You're drunk, go home!
Spider-man: Stay home from school tomorrow.
Spider-man: No way out of 4chan.
@@Mario583a huh? There's no "home" in that, come on!
The fairy thing could be limited by magic and ceilings. Also you could probably only use it in certain places. It could work.
By the way. 1:14:00 I miss this so much.
Spider Man-Home Alone: Hell is real
Now THAT'S a movie I'd pay to see.
I wish I could've experienced games going into 3D during the 90's.
I want to feel that kind of excitement
You'd probably wanna be born in the 80's then. I was born in 92, so I was only 4 when the N64 came out. I might have actually played a 3d game before playing a 2d one.
I was born in the 80s. It was wild seeing Mario 64 for the first time. Then again, we also had to deal with stuff like Bubsy 3D. Some games had a tough transition to 3D.
VR will probably be the next thing
@@BaldorfBreakdowns It depends on what your family had at the time, really. I was born in 91 but remember playing tons of SNES and Sega Genesis before an N64 entered our home. Needless to say, it was mind blowing playing Mario 64 the first time.
I grew up in the early 90's and going from SNES to N64 playing Goldeneye and Super Mario 64 genuinely gave me this sense of amazement and wonder that I've never experienced since with gaming. Sure I was impressed with future generations graphics but nothing truly came close to that feeling I had way back when.
Hyrule Castle's design in this demo makes it's appearance in the future when Ganondorf takes over make sense!
Feels like TLOZ OOT from an alternative universe
2:42 "What she sees" meme.
I think Vinny's confusing his info. It wasn't Saddam Hussein who was found with games in his computer. But Osama Bin Laden who was found to have a number of games saved, most from the snes era. Also had a couple of anime related content as well.
Its kind of odd to realize that the same games we cherish and love as kids were also cherished and loved even by murderers, and rulers of the world.
I wonder what kind of games Hitler would have liked, if they had been around in his time now. Think he would have liked Link to the Past?
@@KitsuneDzelda Guess when Nintendo and other game companies say they make games that anyone can enjoy they mean it to heart.
As for Hitler gaming, I suppose if games where around his time he'd probably like strategy based games like: Command & Conquer, X-com or Fire Emblem. Or maybe he'd like games with a good art direction, that have visuals that could emulate the feeling of a painting or in a sorta similar vein maybe Cuphead since he liked Disney animations. As for A Link to the Past maybe, if he saw clearing the dungeons like conquering a piece of the map.
I probably put too much thought into this, but as morbid as it sounds it was pretty fun diving into the mind of a madman to guess what his gaming preferences would be. Lol
They were found on computers in the compound, there were a lot of people there including children
It's funny to think of Osama bin Laden watching Nichijou but it was probably someone's kid
@@bluegum6438 Ah! I see, didn't know that part. Kinda a shame I liked the idea of bin Laden playing some snes roms in his down time and following it up with an episode from a slice of life.
@@vohloo9797 Then he happily goes off to behead some infidels afterwards. What a quirky little man.
This mod for me is like a dream come true! I really liked the dungeons and the functional beta items. Zel and the team did very well with this one.
That guard grew up and started guarding Termina Fields
Hey, Vinny, I have to go take an overdump. Do you mind pausing the game?
now all we need is someone to pull a b3313 on ocarina
I'd love someone to make one full experience out of this one day.
It could be called Zildo 64 lol
55:56 I feel this trail section was something used for Quest 64
ジャラ may be referring to the sound word jara, which means to jingle, might be fitting for elven like Kokiri people to jingle or refer to it.
I'm not sure if they were even known as Kokiri back then though.
My second guess is Jara being a Kokiri, or whatever they were before, being like karera, meaning a group of people.
Something about this Zelda 64 Spaceworld demo reminds me very strongly of an LSD trip...and I don't know why
Glad someone was appreciated the graphics “back then” I remember being blown up as a kid when this first came out right leaving korkiri forest. I was like there’s more I was blown away by running around the what I believed was a huge map to explore but it was so much better than anything still the game still holds the test of time…love it!
Yup! Especially for those that grew up almost exclusively on side-scrollers & top-downs... 🤯
25:40 Hagrid Chad
Always cool to see Zelda 64 stuff. I just still dream of one day seeing Beta castle town. Even if all the buildings are just doll house facades it'd still be worth it.
This just makes me badly want a OoT remake in the style of FF7 Remake. Just all these cool ideas they had, but with modern day tech and knowledge. I'm so upset the Medallions didn't pass as item cause that's such a sick idea.
The ff7 remake reeks of Nomura writing, I wouldnt wish that on any game
So after this we get to save Marin from being trapped as a seagull forever ?
What's a seagull's lifespan?
Oh no.
Oh NO!
@@Etherman7 What's the lifespan of a magic seagull made of dreams?
Do dreams die?
My thoughts after seeing some of the old concepts is that since they had the smaller moblins and peahats they could've been put in other areas of the game to have more enemy variety especially with the smaller (but shittier looking) stalfos knights. Hyrule field could've been had random enemies spawned in the field when you're adult link just to show how much of ganon's evil influence has actually changed the land. And while yeah the medallions and arrows are kind of busted, this wasn't considering magic as a factor when used. Like using medallions should cost a lot of magic especially the shadow (which would normally use all of it since it's nayru's love) and spirit medallion (Since even though it's one of the last ones you'd get it's still weird to go places you shouldn't normally even with barriers around to prevent going out of bounds.). Arrows costs should be based on whatever effect and power they could have on a target. I think if anyone decides to mod ocarina of time with stuff involving the space world demo these are probably things that should be considered when working on it.
It's kind of interesting that they chose the range of notes for the ocarina that spanned all of the different modes for unique songs so early in development, either someone on the music department was involved in development or it was extreme fluke.
I remember 1998 I was 10 when this game came out. My dad took me to zellers to buy it but wouldnt let me play it til I got home from school the following day and finished my homework. I was salivating over the game box. Was the coolest shit I ever saw. Got the gold cartridge and everything. I've never been so excited for a game before or since. This game was so difficult for me. I had to lend my friend my cartridge so he could help me beat the the forest temple because it scared the hell out of me and he helped me beat the water temple because I couldn't figure it out. I still remember that, Mike. Thanks dude.
How the hell did Vinny miss "Hyrule Field (old)". That's one of the major things to see in this.
he’s seen it, in the Beta Pack video. he speeds through this because a lot of the maps were covered back then
@@teyoru Still a fair difference in playing it in this proper recreation and playing it in that pack that was only made to be the 'first' to release a playable set of those maps. It would be like speeding through a complete film because you saw a folder with all of the raw footage.
Honestly, Vinny missed out on a LOT in this because of that.
I'm glad stremer man gives us bathroom breaks now, jara!
got to finally try this out recently and im surprised in some areas they had the beta area water animated and then in almost every other area they didnt animate it. overall an interesting look in to the "what could have been" from the various builds before the end product.
like from the looks of just old Hyrule Field, they had so much already kind of figured out so far back before REALLY reworking areas and polishing things up.
The text-scrolling sound effect for dialogue is the same as Twilight Princess's.
Zaldo, Zalgo's little Sister who gets kidnapped by evil green Men
So, what exactly was Spaceworld '97? A game convention? An outer space festival? Genuinely curious, dood.
On another note, the Temple of Time exterior was gorgeous. Dare to say, I kinda like that a lot more than what we got in the actual game.
Spaceworld was a series of Japanese video game tradeshows, hosted by Nintendo. They ran from 1989 to 2001. After 2001, Nintendo just stuck with showcasing stuff at E3.
Basically E3 before E3.
Hey there! Just wanted to say, thanks for representing the Disgaea series!
Making my way through the whole series during the quarantine. I'm at the Post Game of D4 Complete right now, and it has been quite the ride!
@@RedSpade37 Oh, thanks, lol! I just know what I like, so you'll find me wherever there's Disgaea, Dragon Quest, or Go Shiina.
I hope you're enjoying D4C! The 2nd Disgaea I ever played, and probably the one I've put the most hours into, next to D5, I'm sure, dood.
I know right? It feels so historical, like no one's visiting because its just a boring temple, but it holds a lot of significance in the story. It kind of reminds me of the medieval Croatia bit of the talos principle.
there's a LOT of animation differences for link it's kinda cool
I love it. Description of fixing a beta room. Tire it all together with a nice rug. Vinny you crack me up sometimes.
@26:41 ...surely that's a _The Big Lebowski_ reference XĐ
The do-rag Kokiri looks like the kind of guy who'd skip out on work as a McDonald's fry cook to smoke weed out of the back of his live-in van, which he rents from his grandmother.
Does anyone know what happened to the upload of that stream from last year where he explored some of the beta maps from Ocarina of Time? I wanted to rewatch that after watching this and I can’t seem to find it.
Should be the "Nintendo 64 Prototypes" stream
@@WhimsicottFanatic That’s it, thank you so much!
When you play this version of the game some of the quirky aspects of OOT start to make sense. Like how useless the shield is in OOT and the seemly random placement of Magic Arrows and spells. Heck the Water Temple being 1 floor taller explains how much of a pain in the ass some of those small keys are to get.
The shield is absolutely not useless. Especially for speedrunning.
I agree with everything else though.
@@BaldorfBreakdowns can't activate ISG without a shield :)
Ganon's tower beta version kinda reminds me of Wind Waker's tower of the gods top
38:30 looks like the freaking ditty of carmeana or however you spell it village lmao
Oh my gosh. That's what it reminded me of!
Vinny always picks the best stuff/most interesting to play
Hi Vinny, it’s Scottish Vinny. This is a wonderful video. I remember the majesty of Zelda, when I played in in Xmas 1997 with my granny. There’s something really eerie when you watch incomplete games. I mean, Zelda games are haunting, numinous, and mysterious even in their finished form…
These beta games always remind one of a deeply sinister and eldritch thing called Ecstatica. Have you ever done that on the channel?
Man, would have been nice if they kept a manual jump. But I can see how the stiff direction would be problematic.
I feel a jump like that just doesn't have a place in sort of game and world they designed. It's not like there's any case of a high platform or ledge being inaccessible with the auto jump and auto climb mechanics. The fact you really don't need the manual jump at all throughout the demo recreation is a testament to how unnecessary it ultimately was.
I agree that the Shield is OP as hell
Why dose clock town look like you just transported to Myst?
Clock Town is from Majoras Mask.
This is castle town, and its pre-rendered in final release due to hardware limitations.
Legend of Zildar: Skyrim Sword
1:15:58 GIVE ME AN HERB! GIVE ME AN EGG THE SIZE OF AN AK-47!
Those hat physics are rad, one can only assume they cut that because it was noticeably taxing on the framerate, or caused horrendous glitches in some areas, or whatever. Or maybe just cause Nintendo hates fun.
Also, the ability swing once while moving like in Twilight Princess, neat.
Being able to passively block projectiles with the shield without having to actively defend.
All these little differences are...
NEAT.
Kind of sad that Vinnie never went into death mountain crater or the cave levels.
It would've neat to get the fairy transformation as a new game plus extra or maybe as it's own dungeon where you control Navi instead of Link
1:11:00 Ah yes, the sage of peasantry
Saddam's hard drive had a bunch of children's shows and games and it was apparent that they were for his kids. You can Google the lo ist of files and their names off his drive, it was released publicly and is kinda funny. Really humanizes him seeing the stuff on there.
Saddam was def fucked up, but the Iraqi people were much better off with him in power. What the US has done to them is nothing short of g@nocyde.
22:34 Zelda's horse in the background?
20:34 it's Spirit the stallion
Idk if those animations were remade but those be some smooth ass animations than the final game lol. Moving and attacking would have been cool to have.
1:12:30 I kinda wish Moblins were normal enemies like this instead of just obstacles.
One of the weirdest things to me is that A and B are reversed
38:09 oh shit, it's Dark Cloud!
"...Jerry Sping- Jerry Sienfel- Jerry Sprinfiel- Rick Springfield..."
24:40 The Crust Master
The Legend of Zildo: A Naughty Link on the Web
The beta Hyrule field theme is beautiful somebody needs to put it on youtube
A few options Vinny doesn't explore that I was curious about were: using the white Light Medallion in an area without Cuccos and using the yellow Spirit Medallion on an arrow. I think maybe the Light spell hit a Cucco so it triggered an attack? Obviously when combo-ed with arrows it becomes the Light Arrow(s). My only thought with the "Spirit" (soul?) medallion, is that using it as a projectile allows you to swap bodies??...since you basically do that with Navi....or it's not so much a swap as a one-way possession. And maybe it just wouldnt work on bosses or in certain rooms?? Controlling enemies is a tall order for such a game, but obviously there's tons of puzzle applications.
The White medallion does a Sun's Song effect to enemies for a brief moment, and they are the original Light Arrows. I think the Yellow Medallion arrows make magic or fairies drop from certain enemies. Can't remember which.
If you search ZFG, he has a really in depth video covering basically everything.
Pretty sure you can one cycle Gohma with just spin attacks
Once devs discovered the mystery of 3d realm exploration, they became a bit overzealous with size and room to discover more things. Clearly after testing these early creations, they would not fly for both the hardware and the attention span of the audience.
Im expecting this to be a dumb creepy pasta. Posting before I watch.
Sorry for the dumb question but how do you play stuff like this? I never really figured out mods. Is it project 64?
You know that feeling of liminal spaces? Well, i think that a similar feeling accompanies these sorts of clearly bairn and unfinished video game areas like this where it gives off this sort of bizarre and uncanny feeling. It's just so empty and lonely and feels like it was slapped together in like a complete mess and just looks so bad and it is so obvious that the devs weren't used yet to making these sorts of large 3d environments so it's just nit fun at all and it just makes me feel so weird inside.
I honestly thought this was from the big leak but idk what truly got leaked
Well, i sure want this stuff, ported to a version of the full game. Those spells are sick.
Hey Vinny have you ever played "The Legend of Zelder?"
Spiderman: Home is Where the Heart is
Now this is podraching!
1:12:16 Vinny has some good opinions.
I like majora though, majora is good.
legend of zaldu: legend of zaldo
zeldo: breath of the Bruh !