I remember one group I started with was using a plastic bag...I just gave them the can I carry with. Also, yesss, so glad you mentioned the two bucket system!
How do you go about pouring the extra fuel from the paint can back into the fuel container? The only reason I like the ammo container is that it has corners making it easy to pour back in.
I appreciate how a paint can may be better for Vaporous fuel, and I am glad you made the distinction as from what I can gather, most of the world uses Oil based fuels. With the UK and Europe mostly using oil based fuels, the ammo tin is definitely the preferred. My ammo tin is over 5 years old, has never leaked, doesn't catch on fire (because high flash point) I can open and close my tin with 1 hand in about 1 second. It doubles up as a convenient transport and storage container. The only downside I see with the ammo tin and oil fuels has nothing to do with fuel, but when people don't close it properly. Then obviously it's a spill hazard. But I always make sure the folk at the jam know how to operate the ammo case. But for all the reasons you mentioned, mainly the degradation of the seal, I would agree that paint tin is probably better for vaporous fuel. When I lived in California, I also used a paint tin. Excellent content as always! :)
I remember visiting the Czech Republic a few years ago and seeing performers at a fire show fueling up out of an open air plastic bucket and I nearly had a heart attack. It was definitely a lesson for me in how much more relaxed things can get around less volatile materials. All that said, I still think this information is important for performers that may pass through parts of the world where spinning with naphtha is more normal like the United States or Latin America. That and I think you can never go wrong if you adhere to the highest standard of safety. I've used ammo cans for years and even still I'll have moments when they come slightly off the hinge and I'm struggling in the dark to realign it. To say nothing of seeing people unfamiliar try to work with them. This is another point that it's helpful to keep in mind: it's worth remembering that you might not be the only person to interact with your dip can. Clearly this info is more important in the United States but I do recognize that other parts of the world can adhere to different safety standards and that was why I inserted that proviso. All that said, I still think it's good for everyone to be aware of the potential issues involved in using either dip can.
The rubber gaskets were always the deal breaker for me with the ammo cans. While the can itself is more durable, the seal is the key factor. I suppose as someone mentioned above if your not using a fuel type that eats the rubber it's less of an issue. However rubber seals just wear out over time even without help, so your just back to that same point of failure. I can't outright say it's a "bad" option overall, just not one I prefer. #Teampaintcan #doublebucketsystem
That was finally the straw that broke the camel's back for me as well. There was some footage that wound up on the cutting room floor but basically in that closeup where I was examining my ammo can's gasket I discovered it had developed cracks and I've barely used it in the past 3 years. Time to retire it!
GREAT video! Some folks think ammo cans are better options, but I agree that the paint can is superior by far. Those heavy lids on the ammo cans have caused spillage problems for me in the past. Paint cans are user-friendly and great. Thanks for making this video!!
Nope! They’re fine for holding the fuel temporarily but ultimately the container the fuel comes from is the one best suited to long-term storage. They’re more likely to be airtight and secure. Returning the fuel to its original container is actually important.
You could also use a small paint can with lid inside the ammo box for dipping and storing fuel. This way the ammo box can catch any excess fuel while dipping or filling the paint can
That is a much better option than the steel mug. Someone who finds that mug might try to drink out of it. For a secondary container I usually use a galvanized steel bucket myself!
@@DrexFactor fortunately I've been a jackass on numerous occasions and set the mug on fire with fuel in so its got a good amount of soot, no one in their right mind would drink out of it 🤣
@@JesusSandovalSerrano I would not take that for granted, especially in the dark. I've seen people drink out of containers covered in hazard stickers and scorch marks.
I agree the paint can wins, but "hard to open" is not always better than "hard to close"--"hard to close" may mean that people are more likely to just leave it open when it *should* be properly sealed.
It's true...but even then I'd point out that ammo cans can be difficult to both close and open depending on how familiar someone is with how they work. Paint cans still win there.
You can find Ammo cans at nearly every Walmart and academy sports in the usa. Ammo cans are awesome, but should not be used for storage. I use a small steel mug inside the ammo can for dipping, and drain the excess fuel back into the white gas container when I'm done
What you didn't touch on was the fact that ammo cans come in more than one size making them more difficult to knock over. But yes the rubber seal is an issue
Ok so I'm from Poland and I've never seen or heard anybody use a ammo can ass a fuel conatiner. Is it really that common to use ammo cans? In Poland almost everybody use some kind of steel cans or if they forgot about them bottles cut in have
@@mateuszmynarski7540 Yeah no, it's definitely not an April Fool's joke. I prefer the paint cans anyway myself, and I didn't really want to invest more money in my fuel dump if I could help it (not that I'm opposed to using safer things, I just don't like to spend money on things if I don't have to.)
It's pretty common here on the West Coast especially. On the East Coast paint cans are a little more common. For a while using an ammo can was considered somewhat fashionable but I think that may be on the wane at this point.
@@DrexFactor I haven't played with fire since December of 2019 because of covid, so I don't know if it's still gaining popularity on the East coast, but it was gaining traction for a bit here too.
Shoot! Wish I'd posted sooner! The good news is that paint cans are pretty inexpensive. I want to say that I paid like $15 USD for my ammo can and the two paint cans I used for this video together came to $10 even with COVID supply problem pricing.
I like ammo cans way more. Easier to open which means they actually get closed instead of the lid just getting set on top of the can and you can pour the fuel out of the ammo box easier. I just wish the gasket was ptfe lined edpm for ultimate chemical resistance because that's the main downfall.
I remember one group I started with was using a plastic bag...I just gave them the can I carry with.
Also, yesss, so glad you mentioned the two bucket system!
thank you brother
Love the. Metatorn’s Cube shirt. Was thinking of life patterns today before I saw this....weird.
How do you go about pouring the extra fuel from the paint can back into the fuel container? The only reason I like the ammo container is that it has corners making it easy to pour back in.
I carry a funnel around. I store it inside the paint can when I’m not spinning fire. Super easy.
I appreciate how a paint can may be better for Vaporous fuel, and I am glad you made the distinction as from what I can gather, most of the world uses Oil based fuels.
With the UK and Europe mostly using oil based fuels, the ammo tin is definitely the preferred. My ammo tin is over 5 years old, has never leaked, doesn't catch on fire (because high flash point) I can open and close my tin with 1 hand in about 1 second. It doubles up as a convenient transport and storage container.
The only downside I see with the ammo tin and oil fuels has nothing to do with fuel, but when people don't close it properly. Then obviously it's a spill hazard. But I always make sure the folk at the jam know how to operate the ammo case.
But for all the reasons you mentioned, mainly the degradation of the seal, I would agree that paint tin is probably better for vaporous fuel. When I lived in California, I also used a paint tin.
Excellent content as always! :)
I remember visiting the Czech Republic a few years ago and seeing performers at a fire show fueling up out of an open air plastic bucket and I nearly had a heart attack. It was definitely a lesson for me in how much more relaxed things can get around less volatile materials. All that said, I still think this information is important for performers that may pass through parts of the world where spinning with naphtha is more normal like the United States or Latin America. That and I think you can never go wrong if you adhere to the highest standard of safety.
I've used ammo cans for years and even still I'll have moments when they come slightly off the hinge and I'm struggling in the dark to realign it. To say nothing of seeing people unfamiliar try to work with them. This is another point that it's helpful to keep in mind: it's worth remembering that you might not be the only person to interact with your dip can.
Clearly this info is more important in the United States but I do recognize that other parts of the world can adhere to different safety standards and that was why I inserted that proviso. All that said, I still think it's good for everyone to be aware of the potential issues involved in using either dip can.
Yes Team Paint Can glad I got one 😊
I’m team dip can too! Thanks for this video.
The rubber gaskets were always the deal breaker for me with the ammo cans. While the can itself is more durable, the seal is the key factor. I suppose as someone mentioned above if your not using a fuel type that eats the rubber it's less of an issue. However rubber seals just wear out over time even without help, so your just back to that same point of failure. I can't outright say it's a "bad" option overall, just not one I prefer.
#Teampaintcan #doublebucketsystem
That was finally the straw that broke the camel's back for me as well. There was some footage that wound up on the cutting room floor but basically in that closeup where I was examining my ammo can's gasket I discovered it had developed cracks and I've barely used it in the past 3 years. Time to retire it!
GREAT video!
Some folks think ammo cans are better options, but I agree that the paint can is superior by far. Those heavy lids on the ammo cans have caused spillage problems for me in the past. Paint cans are user-friendly and great. Thanks for making this video!!
This has been an anxiety point of my first light. We've been painting lately. And well, we have trim.
Thank you!
I edited the comma after the well. 🙄
I'm my own critic
Whaaattttt thank you drex!
wait wait. i never heard you have to return the fuel into original can after spinning. why? ammo can or paint can no good to store it?
Nope! They’re fine for holding the fuel temporarily but ultimately the container the fuel comes from is the one best suited to long-term storage. They’re more likely to be airtight and secure. Returning the fuel to its original container is actually important.
You could also use a small paint can with lid inside the ammo box for dipping and storing fuel. This way the ammo box can catch any excess fuel while dipping or filling the paint can
That is a much better option than the steel mug. Someone who finds that mug might try to drink out of it. For a secondary container I usually use a galvanized steel bucket myself!
@@DrexFactor fortunately I've been a jackass on numerous occasions and set the mug on fire with fuel in so its got a good amount of soot, no one in their right mind would drink out of it 🤣
@@JesusSandovalSerrano I would not take that for granted, especially in the dark. I've seen people drink out of containers covered in hazard stickers and scorch marks.
I agree the paint can wins, but "hard to open" is not always better than "hard to close"--"hard to close" may mean that people are more likely to just leave it open when it *should* be properly sealed.
It's true...but even then I'd point out that ammo cans can be difficult to both close and open depending on how familiar someone is with how they work. Paint cans still win there.
You can find Ammo cans at nearly every Walmart and academy sports in the usa.
Ammo cans are awesome, but should not be used for storage. I use a small steel mug inside the ammo can for dipping, and drain the excess fuel back into the white gas container when I'm done
What you didn't touch on was the fact that ammo cans come in more than one size making them more difficult to knock over. But yes the rubber seal is an issue
I carry my kerosene in a plastic bottle and for a dip can I just use a plastic bottle cut in half
#TeamPaintCan
#TeamPaintCan FTW!
Ok so I'm from Poland and I've never seen or heard anybody use a ammo can ass a fuel conatiner. Is it really that common to use ammo cans? In Poland almost everybody use some kind of steel cans or if they forgot about them bottles cut in have
It's gaining popularity in the United States. I've seen it more frequently over the last few years.
@@hecatehellfire lol i actually thought drex messed up dates and it was april fools joke. but ok
@@mateuszmynarski7540 Yeah no, it's definitely not an April Fool's joke. I prefer the paint cans anyway myself, and I didn't really want to invest more money in my fuel dump if I could help it (not that I'm opposed to using safer things, I just don't like to spend money on things if I don't have to.)
It's pretty common here on the West Coast especially. On the East Coast paint cans are a little more common. For a while using an ammo can was considered somewhat fashionable but I think that may be on the wane at this point.
@@DrexFactor I haven't played with fire since December of 2019 because of covid, so I don't know if it's still gaining popularity on the East coast, but it was gaining traction for a bit here too.
Do NOT use a key you may need to open paint cans. Also, never stomp a paint can lid closed on top of sharp rocks.
... anyone want to buy some ammo crates
I bought three ammunition can the other day I feel stupid now LOL
Shoot! Wish I'd posted sooner! The good news is that paint cans are pretty inexpensive. I want to say that I paid like $15 USD for my ammo can and the two paint cans I used for this video together came to $10 even with COVID supply problem pricing.
I like ammo cans way more. Easier to open which means they actually get closed instead of the lid just getting set on top of the can and you can pour the fuel out of the ammo box easier. I just wish the gasket was ptfe lined edpm for ultimate chemical resistance because that's the main downfall.
I use a Mason jar
Uh...can you elaborate? Is that because you think it is safe or because you don’t care that it’s unsafe?