It’s not ego that is keeping Suicide Squad and Peacemaker around, it’s that they are already aligned with his vision so why get rid of it? Why would you get rid of James Gunn’s Suicide Squad to make room for James Gunn’s Suicide Squad? To use a different example, if a person hired 4 different architects to design and build 4 different buildings, and then after the project was completed decides “actually I like Architect C’s building the best” and he decides to tear down the buildings Architect C didn’t design so Architect C can design the other 3 buildings as well, they wouldn’t tear down Architect C’s original building because it’s already a building built by Architect C.
This has nothing to do with that besides the gameplay but as long as we’re on the topic, everyone is alive except Wonder Woman and the dead JL were Brainiac’s clones. That’s pretty much all you need to take away from that game.
@@BoosieBraun-q5sjust because it didn’t do good doesn’t mean it was a necessarily bad movie, in my opinion blue beetle was a great film for dc standards and I would love to see back in the dcu. I highly recommend it if you can watching it and not judging it by its “ratings” and how “good” it did.
Yeah it’s really only the haters who are “confused”/angry about this. If you’re a casual or general audience member, you won’t care and wouldn’t need to. If you’re a DC fan, you’d know the comics have been doing this for decades. Stories and events from previous continuity are referenced showing some versions of them happened in the current one to build off of them, but that doesn’t mean that story as a whole is in the new canon. Even Star Wars does this when it picks and chooses elements of the EU/Legends to be part of the current canon. Right now, the only DCU canon is content is Creature Commandos, which yes was originally developed as a sequel to The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker, so it follows similar threads of story. Is it unfair? Well those two are actually one two of the few successful and mostly standalone DCEU projects. And besides we are getting a Blue Beetle animated show similar in relationship to the movie. But for Superman, he deserves a true and proper reboot, and the others do too.
Is it really? IMO it's the same thing. If you're a casual fan you don't actually need to know every reference or every story. Just pick one story and read. If you're interested in another story you can read that too, if not then don't. You don't have to care how they connect. A lot of the best stories are completely out of continuity. A lot do connect in some ways but do their own thing in other ways. Nearly 90 years of comics, that's how that works.
@@G.N.F462those people who are confused don’t read into the differences from marvel and DC 🤦♂️there an interview with Kevin fiege saying he got congratulated for blue beetle. Shocker they are already confused
I always assumed that The Flash somehow made a branch universe or something weird like that. That way the same events (like stuff from The Suicide Squad, Peacemaker S1 and possibly Blue Beetle) can occur in two different universes.
If James wanted to keep his stuff so much he could've just made projects like Peacemaker Season 2 Elseworlds, he put that concept there, so why not just use it.
Because Peacemaker is a big part of what got him the job in the first place. If he made it Elseworlds, that would kind of defeat the whole purpose of putting him in charge. So instead season 2 will be in the DCU and the events of season 1 that are canon to the new timeline will be confirmed as such by the continuing storyline, while things that don't make sense will be left behind or explained away as a Mandela Effect (something that was already brought up in season 1) or hallucination (something that was also brought up in season 1). It's honestly not that complicated. Nor is it anything new to DC. They've had more soft reboots than I can count.
@Swenglish That doesn't make any sense, what got him the job was the quality of the things he made, that doesn't change if he can still be able to continue with all of that just lime Matt Reeves with The Batman, if Matt would've gotten the job I highly doubt he would've made The Batman canon. Yeah, DC has done it way too many times in the comics, and it's one of its biggest problems.
@@user-ku7ww3nn6i Reeves didn't want the job, as far as I know. If he did, he'd probably do the worldbuilding in baby steps starting from what he's already started, but one can only speculate on such a hypothetical. Part of the point of the reboot is to draw attention to less famous characters by using popular ones, because the golden age stuff (including Batman and Superman) doesn't have long before the copyrights start expiring, at which point there will be competition if they don't strengthen the overall brand. Peacemaker has managed to become a popular show. The DCU needs popular things. Kind of desperately (see the last few DCEU flops). Including it is a no-brainer. And not that difficult to justify in-story. It's mostly self-contained aside from a few throwaway bits.
@@SwenglishJames Gunn is a bad choice for Superman. Gunn only likes to write edgy characters more than anything. Him inserting so many unnecessary characters in a Superman movie. Apparently Krypto is more of the focus and not Supergirl which is so a dumb. Apparently a relationship with a dog is more important than his cousin who is also the last few people of his race alive. Lol
@@Swenglish That "point of the reboot thing" you pulled out of your ass, DC needs a lot of stuff right now but Peacemaker isn't one of them, have them make a Peacemaker movie and see how that performs at the box office. The first thing they need to take care off is the pillars of the DC Universe but James Gunn can't let go of his ego, dude even puts himself in the intro of Crearure Commandos.
I mean... It would be counterintuitive if he DIDN'T include the projects he already made. He is doing the DCU in his vision and wouldn't it make sense to include the projects he already made for DC that are in his vision? I don't get why people would get mad over this. The Flash movie and Black Adam were too good ig 🤷♂️
Except that's not what he said. Nothing is canon before Creature Commandos. Any previous event only becomes canonized to the extent that it is referenced. like how Batman's parents being dead doesn't make Batman Begins canon to The Batman; it's just select events being similar in different timelines.
I figured that The Suicide Squad wasn't canon bc in the movie Flag says Weasel killed 30 something children. However, in Creature Commandos, we know this isn't true.
yes he didnt actually kill the kids but creatures commandos does explain that he's in bel reave because those kids did die and people saw him dragging them assuming he killed them
@@runisa yeah but you misunderstand, if it’s a reboot, why they’re keeping the same characters from Suicide Squad and Peacemaker? And don’t say it’s because they’re James Gunn’s friends
They had the chance to simplify this change up with Flash's time traveling warping reality in random ways that keep some things intact while others completely unrelated to what was there before.....but the creatives messed that simple premise up by having Barry end the film in a completely different universe than what is being established here. But basically, that's how they're trying to explain this pseudo-reboot, they just went about explaining it in the most nonsensical and confusing way possible.
Then why did Amanda Waller mention Corto Maltese or Project Star Fish? Why is Weasel or King Shark in Creature Commandos? Why did Gunn keep actors like John Cena and Viola Davis in their roles? Why is Frank Grillo’s character in Creature Commandos appearing in Superman? Why did Jason Mamoa’s Aquaman or Ezra Miller’s Flash appear on Peacemaker along with silhouettes of Cavill’s Superman and Gadot’s Wonder Woman? Dude this does not make sense whatsoever. The comics continuity are way different from the movie’s continuity. What Gunn is doing is selflessly keeping his shit while throwing away everything else and then makes up more confusing excuses for his idiotic crazy decisions. The projects he’s planning on releasing are MCU phase 4 or 5 levels of planning and announcements. No I’m a Snyder fan boy. If it were me I would’ve rebooted everything and recast everyone and reintroduce Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman with new movies. Nobody stays, no exceptions.
1. Because The Suicide Squad is conon. 2. Creature Commandos is also canon. 3. That justicr league scene in Peacemaker isn't canon. Said they would explain it in S2. I do agree he should've just done a full reboot and be done with it instead of keeping his stuff because even in Suicide Squad, there is mentions to random stuff that hasn't happened in this new canon. But this is the reality we live in so i guess we just have to maoe sense with that.
1. Because The Suicide Squad (the movie with Corto Maltese and Project Starfish) is canon to the new universe 2. Weasel and King Shark are in the Commandos because the movie that they were in (The Suicide Squad) is canon too the new universe 3. Gunn kept actors like John Cena and Viola Davis because the specific stories that he had going on with those characters carried over into the new universe (the events of The Suicide Squad lead into Peacemaker season one which leads into Creature Commandos) 4. Frank Grillo's character in Creature Commandos is appearing in Superman because they are in the same universe 5. The silhouettes of Jason Mamoa's Aquaman and Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman and that whole crew appear because Peacemaker started out as canon to the old universe. In the new universe, all of Peacemaker season one is canon to the new universe, EXCEPT for the cameos of the Justice League from the old universe. 6. Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman ARE getting recast and ARE getting new movies. The reason why Gunn is keeping the stuff that he wrote is because he's been able to carry a storyline that he's been creating over to this new universe, and he's stated before that certain parts of Creature Commandos (which again, only exists as a direct result of the other stuff he's created) is pretty important to the overall universe. I genuinely don't see where the confusion comes from. If you apply even a minor amount of critical thinking, and if you actually pay attention to what James Gunn has said multiple times, it's pretty simple to understand what's going on with the new stuff. I hate to break it to you, but Snyder's universe is gone, and Snyder, Ben Affleck, and plenty of others have already said that they're done with it. It's time to let it go
@ is it a coincidence that he’s keeping everything that he worked on over to the DCU. By that logic Black Adam could’ve easily been carried over to the DCU and just make Henry Cavill’s cameo non-canon. Or The Flash is canon except for that time travel scene and the Batfleck scene. What about Shazam they could just say that Wonder Woman’s cameo is non-canon. This is CW’s Batwoman levels of retcons. FYI side characters from Peacemaker and The Suicide Squad appeared in both Black Adam and Shazam 2 and has major cameos like Cavill’s Superman and Gadot’s Wonder Woman that were in the DCEU. How do you freaking explain that? You can’t Gunn’s word at face value when the proof is right there. He’s been caught back tracking or lying on multiple occasions. Actions speak louder, his actions are confusing as hell.
@@studio96films65 There's one major factor that you're leaving out when asking why movies like Black Adam or Shazam 2 aren't carrying over: Those movies were financial and critical failures. That, and those movies had nothing to do with what Gunn is envisioning for his universe. The content that Gunn is keeping not only has a story line that is relevant to the larger plot of the new universe, but they were actually received well. Like, you have to sit back and ask yourself, which would you rather have carried over? The Suicide Squad, or Black Adam? Also, I explain the cameos Black Adam and Shazam 2 by explaining that those movies aren't canon to the new universe. I feel like I can, in fact, take Gunn's word on it since he has yet to make a bad piece of superhero content. He's obviously got a vision, unlike the studio execs who came before him. So far, his actions up until this point have been completely fair and reasonable in my opinion if you ask me. And when exactly has he been caught lying anyway?
Because parallel universes have parallels. Why are Batman's parents dead in practically every universe? Why did Joel Schumacher keep Michael Gough as Alfred? Why was Doom Patrol different from the backdoor pilot in Titans but kept some stuff? This is literally nothing new. It's called a soft reboot. From a behind the scenes standpoint it's even simpler: Because before the reboot was even happening. Creature Commandos had already mostly been written and Peacemaker had already been picked up for a second season by Max, and Gunn's active work on those projects and the then-standalone Superman script was what got him the job of designing the reboot, around those projects.
James Gunn did said that only Blue Beetle, The Suicide Squad, and Peacemaker S1 are canonical in the DCU, Except for that Justice League scene.
How do you make a single scene not canon
Free will @@TheRealJochen
@@UltraBrian don’t think that’s how Canon works.
@@TheRealJochen the power of retcon
@@studio96films65don’t think you get a say in that.
It’s not ego that is keeping Suicide Squad and Peacemaker around, it’s that they are already aligned with his vision so why get rid of it? Why would you get rid of James Gunn’s Suicide Squad to make room for James Gunn’s Suicide Squad?
To use a different example, if a person hired 4 different architects to design and build 4 different buildings, and then after the project was completed decides “actually I like Architect C’s building the best” and he decides to tear down the buildings Architect C didn’t design so Architect C can design the other 3 buildings as well, they wouldn’t tear down Architect C’s original building because it’s already a building built by Architect C.
I genuinely forgot about the suicide squad game
This has nothing to do with that besides the gameplay but as long as we’re on the topic, everyone is alive except Wonder Woman and the dead JL were Brainiac’s clones. That’s pretty much all you need to take away from that game.
@@Rhycizno one asked tho
I'm pretty sure Blue Beetle is still in the DCU! That was a great movie!
Based off james gunn’s comments, it really only becomes Canon when the events of the movie have been mentioned
I didn’t see the movie and I know it didn’t do good
@@BoosieBraun-q5s putting hate on the movie??
@@BoosieBraun-q5sjust because it didn’t do good doesn’t mean it was a necessarily bad movie, in my opinion blue beetle was a great film for dc standards and I would love to see back in the dcu. I highly recommend it if you can watching it and not judging it by its “ratings” and how “good” it did.
Only his character is in the DCU just not the DCEU blue beetle movie
Yeah it’s really only the haters who are “confused”/angry about this. If you’re a casual or general audience member, you won’t care and wouldn’t need to. If you’re a DC fan, you’d know the comics have been doing this for decades. Stories and events from previous continuity are referenced showing some versions of them happened in the current one to build off of them, but that doesn’t mean that story as a whole is in the new canon. Even Star Wars does this when it picks and chooses elements of the EU/Legends to be part of the current canon.
Right now, the only DCU canon is content is Creature Commandos, which yes was originally developed as a sequel to The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker, so it follows similar threads of story. Is it unfair? Well those two are actually one two of the few successful and mostly standalone DCEU projects. And besides we are getting a Blue Beetle animated show similar in relationship to the movie. But for Superman, he deserves a true and proper reboot, and the others do too.
Yeah, and DC's mess of a continuity is one of it's biggest problems.
Is it really? IMO it's the same thing. If you're a casual fan you don't actually need to know every reference or every story. Just pick one story and read. If you're interested in another story you can read that too, if not then don't. You don't have to care how they connect. A lot of the best stories are completely out of continuity. A lot do connect in some ways but do their own thing in other ways. Nearly 90 years of comics, that's how that works.
Not really, most people are confused cuz we still need to see more of this universe to get more clearer picture
@@G.N.F462 finally someone with a brain
@@G.N.F462those people who are confused don’t read into the differences from marvel and DC 🤦♂️there an interview with Kevin fiege saying he got congratulated for blue beetle.
Shocker they are already confused
I always assumed that The Flash somehow made a branch universe or something weird like that. That way the same events (like stuff from The Suicide Squad, Peacemaker S1 and possibly Blue Beetle) can occur in two different universes.
If James wanted to keep his stuff so much he could've just made projects like Peacemaker Season 2 Elseworlds, he put that concept there, so why not just use it.
Because Peacemaker is a big part of what got him the job in the first place. If he made it Elseworlds, that would kind of defeat the whole purpose of putting him in charge. So instead season 2 will be in the DCU and the events of season 1 that are canon to the new timeline will be confirmed as such by the continuing storyline, while things that don't make sense will be left behind or explained away as a Mandela Effect (something that was already brought up in season 1) or hallucination (something that was also brought up in season 1). It's honestly not that complicated. Nor is it anything new to DC. They've had more soft reboots than I can count.
@Swenglish That doesn't make any sense, what got him the job was the quality of the things he made, that doesn't change if he can still be able to continue with all of that just lime Matt Reeves with The Batman, if Matt would've gotten the job I highly doubt he would've made The Batman canon. Yeah, DC has done it way too many times in the comics, and it's one of its biggest problems.
@@user-ku7ww3nn6i Reeves didn't want the job, as far as I know. If he did, he'd probably do the worldbuilding in baby steps starting from what he's already started, but one can only speculate on such a hypothetical.
Part of the point of the reboot is to draw attention to less famous characters by using popular ones, because the golden age stuff (including Batman and Superman) doesn't have long before the copyrights start expiring, at which point there will be competition if they don't strengthen the overall brand. Peacemaker has managed to become a popular show. The DCU needs popular things. Kind of desperately (see the last few DCEU flops). Including it is a no-brainer. And not that difficult to justify in-story. It's mostly self-contained aside from a few throwaway bits.
@@SwenglishJames Gunn is a bad choice for Superman. Gunn only likes to write edgy characters more than anything. Him inserting so many unnecessary characters in a Superman movie.
Apparently Krypto is more of the focus and not Supergirl which is so a dumb. Apparently a relationship with a dog is more important than his cousin who is also the last few people of his race alive. Lol
@@Swenglish That "point of the reboot thing" you pulled out of your ass, DC needs a lot of stuff right now but Peacemaker isn't one of them, have them make a Peacemaker movie and see how that performs at the box office. The first thing they need to take care off is the pillars of the DC Universe but James Gunn can't let go of his ego, dude even puts himself in the intro of Crearure Commandos.
Ain't no one gonna stop crying.
I mean... It would be counterintuitive if he DIDN'T include the projects he already made. He is doing the DCU in his vision and wouldn't it make sense to include the projects he already made for DC that are in his vision? I don't get why people would get mad over this. The Flash movie and Black Adam were too good ig 🤷♂️
im gonna hold your hand when i say this, only Suicide Squad and Peacemaker is canon to DCU. Very simple to understand really.
Except that's not what he said. Nothing is canon before Creature Commandos. Any previous event only becomes canonized to the extent that it is referenced. like how Batman's parents being dead doesn't make Batman Begins canon to The Batman; it's just select events being similar in different timelines.
I dont believe any shit on bluesky lol
I figured that The Suicide Squad wasn't canon bc in the movie Flag says Weasel killed 30 something children. However, in Creature Commandos, we know this isn't true.
yes he didnt actually kill the kids but creatures commandos does explain that he's in bel reave because those kids did die and people saw him dragging them assuming he killed them
Yeah but he is still charged with killing the children because he can't talk or defend himself. They literally said that in Creature Commandos
They mentioned weasel killing kids in creature commandos with a 27 kill count instead but yeah it still wasn’t true
But it’s still a mess because *How* are they canon and not everything else in the Old DCEU?🤷🏻♂️
Because reboot.
Did you not watch the one and half minute video?
@@runisa yeah but you misunderstand, if it’s a reboot, why they’re keeping the same characters from Suicide Squad and Peacemaker? And don’t say it’s because they’re James Gunn’s friends
They had the chance to simplify this change up with Flash's time traveling warping reality in random ways that keep some things intact while others completely unrelated to what was there before.....but the creatives messed that simple premise up by having Barry end the film
in a completely different universe than what is being established here.
But basically, that's how they're trying to explain this pseudo-reboot, they just went about explaining it in the most nonsensical and confusing way possible.
@@sirjess007 Because Peacemaker was picked up for a second season before the reboot was even happening. It's that simple. And it's nothing new to DC.
Then why did Amanda Waller mention Corto Maltese or Project Star Fish? Why is Weasel or King Shark in Creature Commandos? Why did Gunn keep actors like John Cena and Viola Davis in their roles? Why is Frank Grillo’s character in Creature Commandos appearing in Superman? Why did Jason Mamoa’s Aquaman or Ezra Miller’s Flash appear on Peacemaker along with silhouettes of Cavill’s Superman and Gadot’s Wonder Woman? Dude this does not make sense whatsoever. The comics continuity are way different from the movie’s continuity. What Gunn is doing is selflessly keeping his shit while throwing away everything else and then makes up more confusing excuses for his idiotic crazy decisions. The projects he’s planning on releasing are MCU phase 4 or 5 levels of planning and announcements. No I’m a Snyder fan boy. If it were me I would’ve rebooted everything and recast everyone and reintroduce Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman with new movies. Nobody stays, no exceptions.
1. Because The Suicide Squad is conon.
2. Creature Commandos is also canon.
3. That justicr league scene in Peacemaker isn't canon. Said they would explain it in S2.
I do agree he should've just done a full reboot and be done with it instead of keeping his stuff because even in Suicide Squad, there is mentions to random stuff that hasn't happened in this new canon. But this is the reality we live in so i guess we just have to maoe sense with that.
1. Because The Suicide Squad (the movie with Corto Maltese and Project Starfish) is canon to the new universe
2. Weasel and King Shark are in the Commandos because the movie that they were in (The Suicide Squad) is canon too the new universe
3. Gunn kept actors like John Cena and Viola Davis because the specific stories that he had going on with those characters carried over into the new universe (the events of The Suicide Squad lead into Peacemaker season one which leads into Creature Commandos)
4. Frank Grillo's character in Creature Commandos is appearing in Superman because they are in the same universe
5. The silhouettes of Jason Mamoa's Aquaman and Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman and that whole crew appear because Peacemaker started out as canon to the old universe. In the new universe, all of Peacemaker season one is canon to the new universe, EXCEPT for the cameos of the Justice League from the old universe.
6. Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman ARE getting recast and ARE getting new movies. The reason why Gunn is keeping the stuff that he wrote is because he's been able to carry a storyline that he's been creating over to this new universe, and he's stated before that certain parts of Creature Commandos (which again, only exists as a direct result of the other stuff he's created) is pretty important to the overall universe.
I genuinely don't see where the confusion comes from. If you apply even a minor amount of critical thinking, and if you actually pay attention to what James Gunn has said multiple times, it's pretty simple to understand what's going on with the new stuff. I hate to break it to you, but Snyder's universe is gone, and Snyder, Ben Affleck, and plenty of others have already said that they're done with it. It's time to let it go
@ is it a coincidence that he’s keeping everything that he worked on over to the DCU. By that logic Black Adam could’ve easily been carried over to the DCU and just make Henry Cavill’s cameo non-canon. Or The Flash is canon except for that time travel scene and the Batfleck scene. What about Shazam they could just say that Wonder Woman’s cameo is non-canon. This is CW’s Batwoman levels of retcons. FYI side characters from Peacemaker and The Suicide Squad appeared in both Black Adam and Shazam 2 and has major cameos like Cavill’s Superman and Gadot’s Wonder Woman that were in the DCEU. How do you freaking explain that? You can’t Gunn’s word at face value when the proof is right there. He’s been caught back tracking or lying on multiple occasions. Actions speak louder, his actions are confusing as hell.
@@studio96films65 There's one major factor that you're leaving out when asking why movies like Black Adam or Shazam 2 aren't carrying over: Those movies were financial and critical failures. That, and those movies had nothing to do with what Gunn is envisioning for his universe. The content that Gunn is keeping not only has a story line that is relevant to the larger plot of the new universe, but they were actually received well. Like, you have to sit back and ask yourself, which would you rather have carried over? The Suicide Squad, or Black Adam? Also, I explain the cameos Black Adam and Shazam 2 by explaining that those movies aren't canon to the new universe. I feel like I can, in fact, take Gunn's word on it since he has yet to make a bad piece of superhero content. He's obviously got a vision, unlike the studio execs who came before him. So far, his actions up until this point have been completely fair and reasonable in my opinion if you ask me. And when exactly has he been caught lying anyway?
Because parallel universes have parallels. Why are Batman's parents dead in practically every universe? Why did Joel Schumacher keep Michael Gough as Alfred? Why was Doom Patrol different from the backdoor pilot in Titans but kept some stuff? This is literally nothing new. It's called a soft reboot.
From a behind the scenes standpoint it's even simpler: Because before the reboot was even happening. Creature Commandos had already mostly been written and Peacemaker had already been picked up for a second season by Max, and Gunn's active work on those projects and the then-standalone Superman script was what got him the job of designing the reboot, around those projects.