The worst sin is that there is zero effing way you could fake being a Jigsaw survivor. Your trap would've been a crime scene, and there'd be other people involved in those traps. How the hell did Bobby get away with such a obvious lie?
He also could have picked an easier trap to fake surviving. If I faked that (and as a fanatic, I would never fake survival in the first place), I would have chosen a trap I know I could survive with minimal injuries.
it actually makes sense that he faked the trap. all the detectives and cops who been at a jigsaw crime scene (kerry, rigg, eric, etc) were dead and hoffman burned all the evidence and police work
@@srapalta8284That was before Jigsaw died, so most of the cops were still alive. Also, another thing: Bobby is a literal idiot. Why the fuck would he try to fake the trap whilst Jigsaw was still alive? I mean, wouldn't he be afraid that John could put him into a real trap?
Saw - Absolutely great psychological thriller. Saw 2 - When everyone realized the traps were the main star. Saw 3 - Torture porn GLORY. Saw 4 - Great, but also forgettable. Saw 5 - This is getting really convoluted. Saw 6 - Oh shit, never mind, this is a good time. Saw 7 - Why did all of the blood look pink?
I’ve said it many times before, it would’ve been so much better if they didn’t show Dr Gordon at the beginning alive and just had him at the end. The twist would’ve been so much better. Once he popped up early you knew exactly how it was going to end.
Took the words out of my mouth! However I suspect it was likely in Cary Elwes’ contract, he had to be in more of the movie than just the big reveal at the end.
I guess that beginning with him is supposed to be for the viewers who wouldn't remember the first movie, or didn't think it mattered in the grand scale, and honestly, can you blame them?
Nah it would have been even more stupid if they never showed him at all. The twist was already a nonsensical asspull, not showing him at all until the end would have been on another level of dumb.
@@simple-commentator-not-rea7345 Exactly. Sequels aren't just made for the people who've been there from the beginning. Which is why this twist wasn't a great idea in the first place. There was no great way to pull it off. And to make it worse, I really don't feel like they had this twist in mind from the beginning. If it felt like everything was leading up to this, that'd be one thing. This feels more like Lost, where they're pretending like they had a plan when they were obviously making it up as they went along.
Well, Saw VI and this movie show beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jigsaw is a complete and utter moron, so, obviously his equally incompetent minions will also screw up his games.
The trap at the beginning matters because those two guys who survived are the two who are with Dr. Gordon at the end of the time. Dr. Gordon shows up at the self help Jigsaw survivor group to basically hint/tell Bobby that knew he was lying about being a trap survivor. The lower box office sales of part 6 forced the Saw team to cram two movies into 7. That’s why the story seems rushed. Also, they literally showed Bobby purposely scarring himself so he could lie about being in a Saw trap, so yes his wife believed his lie because the scars are real but the story he told was fake. Also also, the first few films are the best because the creators James Wan and Leigh Whannel (who played Adam in the first) were involved with the writing of the scripts.
I really just love how the horror community has no problem supporting each other. It’s cheesy but seeing drama everywhere, it’s refreshing to see creators actually giving other creators shout-outs.
Like they say on Dead Meat: "Be good people". And that's a TH-cam channel dedicated to counting the deaths in horror movies LOL. It's funny how communities based around things like horror and metal music and things that some people would consider evil and satanic are often some of the nicest people you'll ever meet meanwhile most people who scoff at this kind of stuff and go to church are usually very judgmental and mean people
With the release of Saw X, I still don't understand how Dr. Gordon (becoming Jigsaw's apprentice after Saw 1 but before Saw X) who was previously Jigsaw's oncologist, would let John accept some miracle cancer treatment in Mexico.
Probably because he went and did this "treatment" on his own without the recommendation of the doctor. Sometimes people go off to try experimental drugs and treatments without being referred.
@@aliciarice9617sure they may do that with normal doctors. But a doctor that trusts you so much he’d cut his foot off then work for you, and you trust him so much you leave him as the ultimate check on your most brutal apprentice? Lol.
Having seen Saw X and knowing it takes place before Saw 2, it doesn't look like Gordon was an apprentice yet, in that he hadn't done any traps since the bathroom trap. And Gordon was probably still recovering and not back at work so John was seeing a different doctor, who told him that there was no more he could do. I mean I guess he could have consulted with Gordon before going to Mexico but he was so desperate he just didn't take the time to do that.
That’s the confusing this, the trailer made it look like his doctor recommended the treatment but in the actual film it wasn’t so maybe dr Gordon wasn’t aware of what he was up to
Noooo, smart arse. There's been a spinoff, a prequel that takes place between the first and second films and a prequel that I've never bothered viewing with a character that's never been heard from since so no. Ain't been no sequels 😂 😂 😂😂😂 .. God, my life sucks 😢
I have some theories on Joyce's death. For starters, Jigsaw needed her in the game to motivate Bobby. That being said, just because she was in a trap, doesn't mean her trap had to be live. It could be a fake out to ensure Bobby plays along. However, given that Bobby's final trap wasn't a succeed or die trap, Joyce's trap did have to be live. Now, with that said, I think her death was just meant to punish Bobby, not just for lying, but lying and besmirching Jigsaw's name with an inferior trap idea. I think John knew that the hooks would rip their way out of Bobby if he put them in the way he said he did in his fake trap. I think that's why John set up the last trap exactly like Bobby described it, proving to Bobby that his trap design was flawed, much like how he reprimanded Hoffman on the inferior blade on his pendulum. John finds it somewhat distasteful to be given credit for work that isn't his, especially inferior work.
In other words, she was completely innocent with no actual reason to be there and John is just a twisted serial killer using a B.S. rationale to justify his view of the world.
@@HisBubbliness Oh he's always been a twisted serial killer and monster. There's no doubt about that, regardless of how he tries to rationalize his killings.
@@LucianDevine she could've been involved in the game but not in an actual trap herself, just in a room somewhere watching him play the game, kind of like the mother & son in Saw 6
Here’s you answer Hoffman doesn’t give a fuck about who’s innocent he just like to kill people and John knew that that’s why the existence of gordan was kept from Hoffman
I mean suppose if Bobby did manage to succeed as clearly he just about did, then she would've survived. But since Bobby failed she died & I guess presumably he did too if he bled out. But if the rescue team got to him fast enough he could've survived as a real victim.
Yesss. FINALLY!!! Waiting for Jigsaw, Spiral and Saw X! Also, I CANNOT believe you didn't start this video with “Saw: The Final Chapter was not Saw's final chapter”
About Joyce asking who's doing this: From what I remember, by this point in the Saw universe, it's been common knowledge that John Kramer, the man behind those murders, is dead. The media didn't really know who his apprentices were, and there was no APB on Hoffman. So in my opinion, the question Joyce asked was "who is continuing Jigsaw's work?"
"What the fuck did Joyce do to him to deserve this brazen bullshit?" Ah, brazen bull, nice wordplay and also I agree. Been a few innocent people used as pawns in other people's games in this franchise.
Guilty by association. Plus there had to be a reason for him finishing the game. What better reason than saving the one you love. If she wasn't in the trap, who else would be in it thats just as important to Powder. The answer is nobody. If she wasn't in the trap, he has zero reason to continue on after failing to save the last person.
@@AnikMonette other than the hanging trap above the spikes at the start of his game, I don't think Powder was ever in any real danger of dying. I don't remember if he was injected with anything that would kill him if he didn't try to continue on and finish all the traps. His games wasn't about him surviving, it was about him helping those around him to survive. So if his gf/wife wasn't in the trap he has no reason to continue on after the last person died in the trap. So thered be no reason for him to do the teeth pull or hook his chest after. He could basically just wait for the police to arrive, if that was the case.
@@wesleysteeleiv I feel like Jigsaw's philosophy is out of whack as the series go on but it's been a while since I watched them. As soon as I'm finished subjecting myself with Twilight I'm on!😁
@@AnikMonette His philosophy has always been whack. He's a psychopath with a god complex that's tormented by resent and a need for purpose. He convinces himself his actions are for the greater good, but they're still torture and death. Ever since the first movie we've seen innocent people get endangered for the sake of another person's trial, that's just part of his lunacy hahaha. We're never meant to root for these people, but for the guys trying to catch them and (for the most part) survive his ordeals.
The saw franchise 1-7 actually has a decent plot. 8 and 9 are pretty much standalone, and the most recent saw 10 (x) takes place between saw 1 and 2, and is VERY good. They aren't horrible movies.
Not to be "that guy," but every movie has a plot. The plot is just literally what happens. The story is the overarching tale of why it happens. Saw has always had a plot. It's debatable whether it really has a consistent story.
"Darth Vader gargling a chainsaw" is a priceless line. 😂 The reason is that he's desperately trying to sound Anerican and the only way he knows how to even marginally pass is to, well, sound like Darth Vader gargling a chainsaw. He is not good at accents
The two guys in the first trap defo are - its not a rumor - the two guys in the pig masks at the end helping dr gordon They just cut the bit when that was revealed So there was *some* relevance This film was originally gonna be two parts and they had to cut a tonne and you can certainly feel it
I think that the opening trap of the movie was just there to be an opening trap. Almost all of the movies have some obligatory opening trap that doesn't tie into the rest of the movie. Like the Venus fly mask in the second one. That being said though, a deleted scene for this movie shows that the two guys who survive this trap are the ones who show up with Doctor Gordon in the Pig masks later to kidnap Hoffman.
except they kinda do. The Venus Flytrap is what Jigsaw used first to taunt Matthews and get him to participate in his game, The Classroom trap was the first clue that led the police to believe there's another Jigsaw, since inescapable traps werent John's MO, The Masouleum trap's survivor was Art Blank, who is unlucky enough that he becomes a main character in the film by going though another game, The Pendulum was meant to show how Hoffman got into the mess by impersonating John, and the woman who cut her arm off....well alright that's where the trend started. But its just two movies with opening traps that has no relation to the plot of the rest of the movie, so...
The Venus Flytrap is literally a plot point. It's how John gets Eric Matthews to find out where his hideout is so he can play the game involving his son.
I honestly think that if you’re in a death trap, and the crowd watching you is aware it’s a death trap and they just stand and stare and don’t do anything to try and help, not even call the cops, I’d be shouting at them too. Isn’t standing by without trying to help in this sort of situation an actual legit sin?
Question, for anyone who watches this series, do they take place in the same city? I would love to see the public panic induced by the murders, people in perpetual fear of being kidnapped.
in universe all of the movies (except Saw X) take place in an unknown city here in North Jersey, basically a hybrid of Newark, Hoboken, Jersey City. Shooting locations vary between NY, Toronto, and San Antonio keep in mind that the timeline of Saw through SAW 3 & 4 was 18 months By the time of the present day events of SAW 1, Jigsaw has killed 10 people over the span of two years and two of them are cops. Most of these people are career criminals and this wouldn't have been on the public's radar. He's basically an urban legend at that point. (and Hoffman killed Seth Baxter). The woman from the trap Bobby stole for his book would be during this time period, but we dont know anything about her. Bobby must have written his book immediately after seeing her interview, and gotten it published shortly after the events of either Saw or Saw II. With the ending of Saw II, Jigsaw's identity is public and the media is all over it. No one knows about the "first" game until the events of Jigsaw in the present day which is set 10 years after Saw II (12 years actually but they gave up on the math) No one knows about Cecil Adams. He doesn't begin going after civilians until about a year prior to the events of the first movie. 2-4 months later he's "caught" but gets away. He's then on the run for six months/his accomplices are active during this time. By the time of present day events of Saw 7 John Kramer had been responsible for the deaths of at least 14 people that would be public knowledge. It is known by the public he died and that the games did continue. By SAW 7 over 50 people are dead, missing, or assumed dead with the public perception likely being "at least 20"
@@RestrictedAudiencesOnlyI’m from Jersey City lol but I don’t get how any of the movies would take place here or around North Jersey. Seems more like The Northwest or Canada maybe???
All the inescapable traps and questionable choice of victims in this movie really epitomizes how the franchise lost what made the earlier movies so much better. Jigsaw at least had understandable reasons (not defensible) for why he did what he did but here it's just gory death for gory death's sake
It's all under the guise of "Other people taking over that don't understand the game" but it really doesn't make it feel any less gratuitous and boring, and least for me.
I remember reading that the 2 guys in the first trap are the ones helping Gordon capture Hoffman... but you'd never know that without the commentary so it was super effective. I also believe this was supposed to be 2 parts.
Thank you team* Jeremy is a great narrator but horror movies aren't his forte so I highly doubt he wrote the script for this one. If it's a horror movie the Sins script was probably written by Chris and Jonathan. I really wish they would bring back the behind-the-scenes podcast. I liked knowing for sure which team member wrote the script for which sins video. It was fun.
I put my five-year-old son to bed every night watching megamind. He screams about it and wants it all the time. It's all he talks about. Honestly it's exhausting at this point, I literally can't escape it. It's following me to the point that some random asshole, no offense, has posted a comment referencing it in the comment section of a critique of a played out horror movie franchise that I just happened to come across at 2:02 am. This damn movie is following me closer than the number 23 followed Jim Carrey SMH.
@@cheyenne11114 It could be worse; your boy could be demanding to be put to sleep by a Saw movie every night, while you randomly come across references to the series while watching Megamind videos. Though from the sound of it, the lil' tyke's probably going to grow up to be a supervillain and serial killer either way, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I assume someone else has said this but a pizza with 3 cheeses, Pepperoni, Meatballs, and Mozzarella would have a three cheese blend of cheese such as Mozzarella, parmesan, and cheddar spread across the pizza in a standard way, than it would be topped with pepperoni, meatballs, and chunks of mozzarella like a Margarita pizza would have.
Like The Purge, this is one franchinse whose premise I don't understand how the activities in the town/country can run for so long and things just continue as normal. How isn't there mass panic? Hysteria? Overpolicing? Some kind of reaction.
Sure in the first movie it was just an investigation, Saw II widened it. Then everything died down slightly. Then Saw III & IV had the FBI involved all the way till VI. And with John & Amanda's deaths they was just trying to find out who the other helper was since they believed that they had help & then after their deaths the Games continued. But no one had hard evidence on Hoffman & when they did they ended up dying since they were unable to pass on that evidence. Like Strahm figures it out & tells nobody. Erikson, Perez & the Tech Gal figure it out but are quickly killed cause they stupidly had Hoffman in the room with them. So then when Saw: The Final Chapter comes out, no one suspects Hoffman until Jill goes into the Witness Protection and even then they didn't tell anyone else. And if Hoffman got off free without Dr. Gordon interfering or without killing Jill, he would be home free cause he had killed everyone who knew he was the suspected Appreciate. And sure Jill & Dr. Gordon aren't going to say anything about it. And since all the evidence against Hoffman was being destroyed, they wouldn't have proof even it they tried to out him.
The funniest part is that in the commentary track for Saw 2, it is brought up to the the writer/director Darren Lynn Bousman that the person who placed a key behind the eye of one of the "players" was limping and that the internet theory was that it was Dr. Gordon. Bousman laughingly said "no way that's him", insinuating that the retconning of the series to fit in Dr. Gordon was not the original vision of the story.
This movie is so overbearingly ridiculous. The series lost any sense of coherency back in the middle of Saw II. How people can claim with a straight face that these movies are "smart" and "make you think" is beyond me.
Saw worked best as a trilogy, and even then that was probably one too many. I enjoy watching them, though, not for any real merit, but moreso in the way you watch a train wreck. I’m current up to Spiral, and the fun for me is finding out how they write themselves out of the corner they’ve written themselves into in the previous film.
2:50 The very first movie had Jigsaw target someone whose only "crime" was pretending to be sick to get out of work, and he had to walk on broken glass to figure out a password before dying from poison or burning himself alive. Dude's always been putting people in death traps for the smallest offences
When I watched the movie 2 days I was wondering why Bobby didn't just hang on the very bottom row the cage and just gently sit down his feet in between the spikes. Sure you can put a cage in the air but if the person's tall enough they can easily do that trick.
They could've easily fixed this if they just Showed on the tape that if he touched the spikes they'd slam shut like a Venus fly- Oh wait the series already did that Still
All the rules got thrown out the window on this one, especially the horrifc death of Joyce, a character who did absolutely nothing to deserve such a painful death.
you missed the error in reverse bear trap. hoffman just add one metal bar but when the bear trap goes off it had many metal bars attached to jills mouth.
What do you mean he added a bar, I just remembered him tightening the screws, she woke up & then she died cause there was no Key for her to beat the trap
Seeing that everything is on timers, that car trap could actually work. Everything in the Saw movies has been rigged to start at specific times. Like a video being rigged to start when you wake up or enter a specific room. Sure some of them are by lucky chance, where there seems to be no guarantee that specific people get to their tapes or trials. Also with Bobby or the Insurance Guy. Idk what would've happened if they died before finishing their tests, but it seemed that in Saw VI the Acid would've killed the Mother Son & his Sister instead perhaps. And every other trap would go on as if they were present but there'd be no one saving them. The Secretary or Young er Guy would have a 50/50 chance of who lived or died. The rigged Merry Go Round would've ended with one girl & the guy who died. Since if the Insurance dude wasn't there, the Guy who died last gets to survive.
#1 sin is it's titled the final chapter That generally means they're gonna make movies for another 30 years, take some time off, and start the whole process all over again w remakes
For real. I might be the minority here, but I can't stand these movies. The first one was decent, and I couldn't care less about the 10th one. I guess Saw 45 will explain all the convoluted crap this series has come up with 😂
Believe it or not they really weren't trying the pad the run time They origionally wanted to make this film in two parts Then cause saw 6 didnt do well they had to cut TONNES out to make it one film
I’m not 100% certain, since I wasn’t exactly timing it or anything, but in Saw X I think all the victims do get exactly/fairly close to the exact amount of time their tapes tell them they have to escape their traps.
Sin 51 doesn’t make sense. The guy said he’s found enough pieces to make 4 bodies, he can count and why would he expect anything other than normal anatomy for humans? This is not about extraterrestrial life is it?
While this movie is the most flawed of the original 7, it had its moments. That scene when Hoffman used that dead woman as literal puppet to get that guy to open the door is genuinely unnerving.
What about how Bobby would have had to be examined by doctors who would have realized his injuries were not severe enough to hoist himself up ? November 3rd 2023 1:53 PM Central Time
I think Hoffman might actually be rigging the games, but way differently from Amanda. He wouldn't make the games _impossible_ to survive like what Amanda did, or that would've gotten John's attention. But all of the games we know Hoffman had a hand in designing were either impossible to escape without being irreversibly disfigured, like the car trap, or just required somebody to die, like most of the traps in Saw VI. Hoffman was just a twisted killer that enjoyed hurting other people. #NotMyJigsaw
I have a confession to make.....I really didn't come to this video to see all the mistakes....I actually came to here all of the funny commentary and I was not disappointed.😅
@13:57 this trap could have been defeated in literal seconds. The table that the victim is on is being actuated by a literal bicycle chain, which he could have just stomped and made it walk off the gears it was turning.
As for the question of "How is Hoffman doing all the traps and also doing his revenge scheme" it's always felt to me like the final ending reveal is supposed to answer that question: He wasn't. He was fully in on his revenge scheme, and wasn't aware of the traps at all, as they were being carried out by (most likely) Doctor Gordon and the other Jigsaw disciples.
And, since we have two other henchmen helping Gordon abduct Hoffman, we can assume one of them will turn out to be Diego from Saw X, and the other could be Logan. Can't really think of any other potential people, besides maybe Daniel Matthews, but he'd hold a grudge for losing his father.
@@swandive46no, the writers & director already revealed that the two disciples with Dr. Gordon in the end of 7 were the two guys who survived the first/beginning trap of the film. They said it on the behind the scenes and commentary track for this movie, along with interviews.
@@TishaC89 Eh, since they weren't revealed on screen, I believe it should not be treated as canon. I think it's better to just retroactively make it Diego, rather than using players from a shitty trap.
It's been a while since I last watched these so I don't remember perfectly, but I always felt like Hoffman did the traps in the later movies because they had some unfair element in them (someone always dies). Unlike originally with John's traps it actually was a choice between live or die.
@@swandive46it is cannon considering the writers, producers, and director confirmed it 😂 It’s a known fact. Cary Elwes who plays Dr. Gordon also said it himself in addition to the two men who played in the film with him.- the two from the beginning trap of Saw 7 (Sebastian Pigott as Brad & Jon Cor as Ryan) literally played the same two men who were at the end with him. That was literally them standing there. You’re saying you know better than the people who were there and acted in the film? 😂 No one ever said that Diego became John’s disciple. Not every survivor becomes a disciple- look at the people who were in the self help group. Plus Diego isn’t a prime candidate considering he was still cussing at John afterwards and didn’t act like he changed. Plus Saw X doesn’t even have the same writers as 7, X is a prequel taking place between 1 & 2, and they wouldn’t jump connect it to 7 as it’s just the 1 at that point or override the previously set script and cannon, so you’re logic is flawed.
Saw trap in public, with maybe seven or eight people filming it on their phones, instead of *everyone* whipping out their phones to record it and upload it directly to TH-cam. When was this movie shot, 2005? *DING!* 😀
Fun fact: the blood looked pink and fake as shit because in 3D it apparently looked more like real blood rather than actual fake blood did in 3D. Not sure how true it is, but that’s what production had said
They seriously need(ed) to colour-correct it (not that they will) for 2D viewing because it looks absolutely preposterous. Dawn of the Dead from 1978 had more realistic looking blood than this.
Well in a technical sense...this is the final in this timeline. Saw 8/Jigsaw is a pre/requel/boot, Spiral is (the start) of another series, and Saw10 is actually more like Saw 1.5
Technically yeah. But Jigsaw was a direct Sequel/Prequel at the same time. Since it's around 10 years after John Kramer's Death. Spiral is also a sequel where the killer decides to mimic Jigsaw's work, though he was a copycat instead of an apprentice. And yeah Sax X is exactly as you described it.
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I love the fact that the way they chose to portray Jigsaw as younger was just to make him wear a backwards hat.
*portray
Lol
That's the best way, they did the same thing in Spiral and Chris Rock + adding a mustache to Samuel L Jackson 😂😂
better than any de-aging technique lol
I want to play a game, fellow kids.
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The worst sin is that there is zero effing way you could fake being a Jigsaw survivor. Your trap would've been a crime scene, and there'd be other people involved in those traps. How the hell did Bobby get away with such a obvious lie?
He also could have picked an easier trap to fake surviving. If I faked that (and as a fanatic, I would never fake survival in the first place), I would have chosen a trap I know I could survive with minimal injuries.
it actually makes sense that he faked the trap. all the detectives and cops who been at a jigsaw crime scene (kerry, rigg, eric, etc) were dead and hoffman burned all the evidence and police work
@@srapalta8284 but there were still other cops around? for example the one that was accusing Jill of being 'crazy"
@@gwenpicchi5719 didnt his final trial with the brazen bull basically say that his peck shenanigans were impossible
@@srapalta8284That was before Jigsaw died, so most of the cops were still alive.
Also, another thing: Bobby is a literal idiot. Why the fuck would he try to fake the trap whilst Jigsaw was still alive? I mean, wouldn't he be afraid that John could put him into a real trap?
Saw - Absolutely great psychological thriller.
Saw 2 - When everyone realized the traps were the main star.
Saw 3 - Torture porn GLORY.
Saw 4 - Great, but also forgettable.
Saw 5 - This is getting really convoluted.
Saw 6 - Oh shit, never mind, this is a good time.
Saw 7 - Why did all of the blood look pink?
Because it was supposed to be 3D so when you put on 3D glasses, so it would come out red. If they made it red it messed with the 3Dness apparently
Irrelevant to comment but the first Saw movie will always be my favorite in the series.
Saw X is fantastic.
Jigsaw, why is the movie set before Cary Elweys the one with the Princess Bride plot?
Why ? I thouught it was solid@@To-B-Continued
I’ve said it many times before, it would’ve been so much better if they didn’t show Dr Gordon at the beginning alive and just had him at the end. The twist would’ve been so much better. Once he popped up early you knew exactly how it was going to end.
Took the words out of my mouth! However I suspect it was likely in Cary Elwes’ contract, he had to be in more of the movie than just the big reveal at the end.
I guess that beginning with him is supposed to be for the viewers who wouldn't remember the first movie, or didn't think it mattered in the grand scale, and honestly, can you blame them?
Nah it would have been even more stupid if they never showed him at all. The twist was already a nonsensical asspull, not showing him at all until the end would have been on another level of dumb.
@@simple-commentator-not-rea7345 Exactly. Sequels aren't just made for the people who've been there from the beginning. Which is why this twist wasn't a great idea in the first place. There was no great way to pull it off. And to make it worse, I really don't feel like they had this twist in mind from the beginning. If it felt like everything was leading up to this, that'd be one thing. This feels more like Lost, where they're pretending like they had a plan when they were obviously making it up as they went along.
@@kieranhair37 That very reason is why if I ever did a film series I would plan the whole franchise in advance.
It'll never not suck that Joyce, a completely innocent character, got the most horrific death of the series.
Pretty brutal for Hoffman himself. Even John wouldn’t allow it.
Yeah but isn't that kind of the point showing the difference between student and master?
Mark Hoffman doesn't give any fucks.
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Well, Saw VI and this movie show beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jigsaw is a complete and utter moron, so, obviously his equally incompetent minions will also screw up his games.
His face being ripped open is entirely survivable. The issue is that he has perfect speech after hand stitching his face.
RIP Chester Bennington. Hands down my fave cameo in a movie ever.
I read/heard somewhere that he really wanted to be in one of the traps.
@@k9qtea yes, he was a big fan of saw
@@k9qteahe got his wish before he died because he played evan as the racists in the car junkyard trap
@jonathanhenderson3629 yes, I'm aware. I've seen it.
The trap at the beginning matters because those two guys who survived are the two who are with Dr. Gordon at the end of the time. Dr. Gordon shows up at the self help Jigsaw survivor group to basically hint/tell Bobby that knew he was lying about being a trap survivor. The lower box office sales of part 6 forced the Saw team to cram two movies into 7. That’s why the story seems rushed. Also, they literally showed Bobby purposely scarring himself so he could lie about being in a Saw trap, so yes his wife believed his lie because the scars are real but the story he told was fake. Also also, the first few films are the best because the creators James Wan and Leigh Whannel (who played Adam in the first) were involved with the writing of the scripts.
I really just love how the horror community has no problem supporting each other. It’s cheesy but seeing drama everywhere, it’s refreshing to see creators actually giving other creators shout-outs.
Like they say on Dead Meat: "Be good people". And that's a TH-cam channel dedicated to counting the deaths in horror movies LOL.
It's funny how communities based around things like horror and metal music and things that some people would consider evil and satanic are often some of the nicest people you'll ever meet meanwhile most people who scoff at this kind of stuff and go to church are usually very judgmental and mean people
With the release of Saw X, I still don't understand how Dr. Gordon (becoming Jigsaw's apprentice after Saw 1 but before Saw X) who was previously Jigsaw's oncologist, would let John accept some miracle cancer treatment in Mexico.
Probably because he went and did this "treatment" on his own without the recommendation of the doctor. Sometimes people go off to try experimental drugs and treatments without being referred.
@@aliciarice9617sure they may do that with normal doctors. But a doctor that trusts you so much he’d cut his foot off then work for you, and you trust him so much you leave him as the ultimate check on your most brutal apprentice? Lol.
Having seen Saw X and knowing it takes place before Saw 2, it doesn't look like Gordon was an apprentice yet, in that he hadn't done any traps since the bathroom trap. And Gordon was probably still recovering and not back at work so John was seeing a different doctor, who told him that there was no more he could do. I mean I guess he could have consulted with Gordon before going to Mexico but he was so desperate he just didn't take the time to do that.
When you're desperate, you don't listen to reason.
That’s the confusing this, the trailer made it look like his doctor recommended the treatment but in the actual film it wasn’t so maybe dr Gordon wasn’t aware of what he was up to
A movie in a horror franchise calling itself "The Final chapter". Yeah im sure there wont be 20 more sequels after it.
Saw 150, coming to theaters in 2120 😂
Noooo, smart arse. There's been a spinoff, a prequel that takes place between the first and second films and a prequel that I've never bothered viewing with a character that's never been heard from since so no. Ain't been no sequels 😂 😂 😂😂😂 .. God, my life sucks 😢
Someone's seen Jason's "final" movie.
oh btw theres saw 11 coming late 2024
3 since and 1 more on the way
I have some theories on Joyce's death. For starters, Jigsaw needed her in the game to motivate Bobby. That being said, just because she was in a trap, doesn't mean her trap had to be live. It could be a fake out to ensure Bobby plays along. However, given that Bobby's final trap wasn't a succeed or die trap, Joyce's trap did have to be live.
Now, with that said, I think her death was just meant to punish Bobby, not just for lying, but lying and besmirching Jigsaw's name with an inferior trap idea. I think John knew that the hooks would rip their way out of Bobby if he put them in the way he said he did in his fake trap. I think that's why John set up the last trap exactly like Bobby described it, proving to Bobby that his trap design was flawed, much like how he reprimanded Hoffman on the inferior blade on his pendulum. John finds it somewhat distasteful to be given credit for work that isn't his, especially inferior work.
In other words, she was completely innocent with no actual reason to be there and John is just a twisted serial killer using a B.S. rationale to justify his view of the world.
@@HisBubbliness Oh he's always been a twisted serial killer and monster. There's no doubt about that, regardless of how he tries to rationalize his killings.
@@LucianDevine she could've been involved in the game but not in an actual trap herself, just in a room somewhere watching him play the game, kind of like the mother & son in Saw 6
Here’s you answer Hoffman doesn’t give a fuck about who’s innocent he just like to kill people and John knew that that’s why the existence of gordan was kept from Hoffman
I mean suppose if Bobby did manage to succeed as clearly he just about did, then she would've survived. But since Bobby failed she died & I guess presumably he did too if he bled out. But if the rescue team got to him fast enough he could've survived as a real victim.
Yesss. FINALLY!!! Waiting for Jigsaw, Spiral and Saw X!
Also, I CANNOT believe you didn't start this video with “Saw: The Final Chapter was not Saw's final chapter”
It was the final chapter at that point. Should be a sin for jigsaw because it exists after the final chapter though.
@@HBSCBFan you do have a point but it was still shocking CinemaSins didn't take the opportunity
😂
its in the video description. If its in the video description its usually not tallied by the sin counter
@@WhoCares-i3oI hadn't noticed that 😂
About Joyce asking who's doing this:
From what I remember, by this point in the Saw universe, it's been common knowledge that John Kramer, the man behind those murders, is dead. The media didn't really know who his apprentices were, and there was no APB on Hoffman. So in my opinion, the question Joyce asked was "who is continuing Jigsaw's work?"
That door slam game over bit you did where you even made sure to be away from your mic is the funniest gag you have ever done. I love it
"What the fuck did Joyce do to him to deserve this brazen bullshit?"
Ah, brazen bull, nice wordplay and also I agree. Been a few innocent people used as pawns in other people's games in this franchise.
Guilty by association. Plus there had to be a reason for him finishing the game. What better reason than saving the one you love. If she wasn't in the trap, who else would be in it thats just as important to Powder. The answer is nobody. If she wasn't in the trap, he has zero reason to continue on after failing to save the last person.
@@wesleysteeleivOther than saving his own life? I'm confused...
@@AnikMonette other than the hanging trap above the spikes at the start of his game, I don't think Powder was ever in any real danger of dying. I don't remember if he was injected with anything that would kill him if he didn't try to continue on and finish all the traps. His games wasn't about him surviving, it was about him helping those around him to survive. So if his gf/wife wasn't in the trap he has no reason to continue on after the last person died in the trap. So thered be no reason for him to do the teeth pull or hook his chest after. He could basically just wait for the police to arrive, if that was the case.
@@wesleysteeleiv I feel like Jigsaw's philosophy is out of whack as the series go on but it's been a while since I watched them. As soon as I'm finished subjecting myself with Twilight I'm on!😁
@@AnikMonette His philosophy has always been whack. He's a psychopath with a god complex that's tormented by resent and a need for purpose. He convinces himself his actions are for the greater good, but they're still torture and death. Ever since the first movie we've seen innocent people get endangered for the sake of another person's trial, that's just part of his lunacy hahaha. We're never meant to root for these people, but for the guys trying to catch them and (for the most part) survive his ordeals.
I have seen some number of these movies and am still always shocked to learn that they have plots
The saw franchise 1-7 actually has a decent plot. 8 and 9 are pretty much standalone, and the most recent saw 10 (x) takes place between saw 1 and 2, and is VERY good. They aren't horrible movies.
Not to be "that guy," but every movie has a plot. The plot is just literally what happens. The story is the overarching tale of why it happens. Saw has always had a plot. It's debatable whether it really has a consistent story.
“Brazen Bullshit” was just so *chef’s kiss*
"Darth Vader gargling a chainsaw" is a priceless line. 😂 The reason is that he's desperately trying to sound Anerican and the only way he knows how to even marginally pass is to, well, sound like Darth Vader gargling a chainsaw. He is not good at accents
Well shit…. I know nothing about Cary Elwes, have only seen him in these films and had NO IDEA from the first Saw that he wasn’t American!
@@thereflex101 well, he's American in that he lives in America, but he's English.
The two guys in the first trap defo are - its not a rumor - the two guys in the pig masks at the end helping dr gordon
They just cut the bit when that was revealed
So there was *some* relevance
This film was originally gonna be two parts and they had to cut a tonne and you can certainly feel it
If it was cut there's not really any evidence of it being them. If it's not shown or implied in the movie itself it doesn't count.
@@TheStraightedge47 not any in the film but plenty in the directors commentary, interviews and other bonus content
Shame it didn't make it in
I think that the opening trap of the movie was just there to be an opening trap. Almost all of the movies have some obligatory opening trap that doesn't tie into the rest of the movie. Like the Venus fly mask in the second one. That being said though, a deleted scene for this movie shows that the two guys who survive this trap are the ones who show up with Doctor Gordon in the Pig masks later to kidnap Hoffman.
except they kinda do. The Venus Flytrap is what Jigsaw used first to taunt Matthews and get him to participate in his game, The Classroom trap was the first clue that led the police to believe there's another Jigsaw, since inescapable traps werent John's MO, The Masouleum trap's survivor was Art Blank, who is unlucky enough that he becomes a main character in the film by going though another game, The Pendulum was meant to show how Hoffman got into the mess by impersonating John, and the woman who cut her arm off....well alright that's where the trend started. But its just two movies with opening traps that has no relation to the plot of the rest of the movie, so...
The Venus Flytrap is literally a plot point. It's how John gets Eric Matthews to find out where his hideout is so he can play the game involving his son.
I remember seeing this in theaters and seeing the 3D effects through the glasses was an automatic +50 sins for how cheesy it was
I honestly think that if you’re in a death trap, and the crowd watching you is aware it’s a death trap and they just stand and stare and don’t do anything to try and help, not even call the cops, I’d be shouting at them too. Isn’t standing by without trying to help in this sort of situation an actual legit sin?
Question, for anyone who watches this series, do they take place in the same city?
I would love to see the public panic induced by the murders, people in perpetual fear of being kidnapped.
Knowing the series the city probably has a record low crime rate since all the criminals would be afraid of dying for stealing a purse.
Apparently, yes
Except for Saw X. That takes place in Mexico
in universe all of the movies (except Saw X) take place in an unknown city here in North Jersey, basically a hybrid of Newark, Hoboken, Jersey City. Shooting locations vary between NY, Toronto, and San Antonio
keep in mind that the timeline of Saw through SAW 3 & 4 was 18 months
By the time of the present day events of SAW 1, Jigsaw has killed 10 people over the span of two years and two of them are cops. Most of these people are career criminals and this wouldn't have been on the public's radar. He's basically an urban legend at that point. (and Hoffman killed Seth Baxter). The woman from the trap Bobby stole for his book would be during this time period, but we dont know anything about her. Bobby must have written his book immediately after seeing her interview, and gotten it published shortly after the events of either Saw or Saw II. With the ending of Saw II, Jigsaw's identity is public and the media is all over it. No one knows about the "first" game until the events of Jigsaw in the present day which is set 10 years after Saw II (12 years actually but they gave up on the math)
No one knows about Cecil Adams. He doesn't begin going after civilians until about a year prior to the events of the first movie. 2-4 months later he's "caught" but gets away. He's then on the run for six months/his accomplices are active during this time.
By the time of present day events of Saw 7 John Kramer had been responsible for the deaths of at least 14 people that would be public knowledge. It is known by the public he died and that the games did continue. By SAW 7 over 50 people are dead, missing, or assumed dead with the public perception likely being "at least 20"
@@RestrictedAudiencesOnlyI’m from Jersey City lol but I don’t get how any of the movies would take place here or around North Jersey. Seems more like The Northwest or Canada maybe???
Yes all but SAW X
@ 1:43 If you're waiting for a follow-up to what happened in the 1st movie u only have to wait 14 years until Saw X comes out!
Wait X is after 1
When did Saw get Tarantino as a director
All the inescapable traps and questionable choice of victims in this movie really epitomizes how the franchise lost what made the earlier movies so much better. Jigsaw at least had understandable reasons (not defensible) for why he did what he did but here it's just gory death for gory death's sake
It's all under the guise of "Other people taking over that don't understand the game" but it really doesn't make it feel any less gratuitous and boring, and least for me.
I think they’re trying to go back to that formula for the latest Saw movie: the only difference being that it’s on a more personal level.
That's because Hoffman.
I remember reading that the 2 guys in the first trap are the ones helping Gordon capture Hoffman... but you'd never know that without the commentary so it was super effective. I also believe this was supposed to be 2 parts.
I always felt it made sense, because Hoffman did those and he was just unhinged and didn't understand the idea behind John's work.
22:00 I would like to draw attention to the phrase brazen bullsh*t. Well played.
Ryan gosling. Ryan reynolds. Ryan seacrest. I’m in tears 😂😂😂
I thought you’d never finish this series out thank you sir I’ve been on a saw kick lately.
There are three more after this movie
@@alexanderhenby1362 I’m aware of that
Thank you team* Jeremy is a great narrator but horror movies aren't his forte so I highly doubt he wrote the script for this one. If it's a horror movie the Sins script was probably written by Chris and Jonathan.
I really wish they would bring back the behind-the-scenes podcast. I liked knowing for sure which team member wrote the script for which sins video. It was fun.
@@OversoulGaming yeah I was speaking to the channel not a single person.
@@alexanderhenby1362 didn't he sin everything already except for this? He has already done Jigsaw and Spiral as well afaik
Man I remember taking my ex wife to see Megamind or something in the theaters and this movie played instead and all the kids freaked out.
I put my five-year-old son to bed every night watching megamind. He screams about it and wants it all the time. It's all he talks about. Honestly it's exhausting at this point, I literally can't escape it. It's following me to the point that some random asshole, no offense, has posted a comment referencing it in the comment section of a critique of a played out horror movie franchise that I just happened to come across at 2:02 am. This damn movie is following me closer than the number 23 followed Jim Carrey SMH.
@@cheyenne11114 It could be worse; your boy could be demanding to be put to sleep by a Saw movie every night, while you randomly come across references to the series while watching Megamind videos.
Though from the sound of it, the lil' tyke's probably going to grow up to be a supervillain and serial killer either way, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Gibsons dialogue cracks me up "youre a crazy person ya crazy,...crazy" every time i hear it it's corny but funny 🤣😂🤣
“Liar Liar, Wife’s on Fire!”
Funny, where have I heard that?
I was thinking the same thing. If you’re going to steal a man’s line give him credit. CinemaSims that of not how you be good people.
Hoffman was so committed to the pretending to be dead bid tha he had his eyes closed inside of the body bag
I assume someone else has said this but a pizza with 3 cheeses, Pepperoni, Meatballs, and Mozzarella would have a three cheese blend of cheese such as Mozzarella, parmesan, and cheddar spread across the pizza in a standard way, than it would be topped with pepperoni, meatballs, and chunks of mozzarella like a Margarita pizza would have.
Not even a mention that Chester Bennington plays Evan. That's worth a damn sin removal.
Like The Purge, this is one franchinse whose premise I don't understand how the activities in the town/country can run for so long and things just continue as normal. How isn't there mass panic? Hysteria? Overpolicing? Some kind of reaction.
Sure in the first movie it was just an investigation, Saw II widened it. Then everything died down slightly. Then Saw III & IV had the FBI involved all the way till VI. And with John & Amanda's deaths they was just trying to find out who the other helper was since they believed that they had help & then after their deaths the Games continued. But no one had hard evidence on Hoffman & when they did they ended up dying since they were unable to pass on that evidence. Like Strahm figures it out & tells nobody. Erikson, Perez & the Tech Gal figure it out but are quickly killed cause they stupidly had Hoffman in the room with them. So then when Saw: The Final Chapter comes out, no one suspects Hoffman until Jill goes into the Witness Protection and even then they didn't tell anyone else. And if Hoffman got off free without Dr. Gordon interfering or without killing Jill, he would be home free cause he had killed everyone who knew he was the suspected Appreciate. And sure Jill & Dr. Gordon aren't going to say anything about it. And since all the evidence against Hoffman was being destroyed, they wouldn't have proof even it they tried to out him.
The funniest part is that in the commentary track for Saw 2, it is brought up to the the writer/director Darren Lynn Bousman that the person who placed a key behind the eye of one of the "players" was limping and that the internet theory was that it was Dr. Gordon. Bousman laughingly said "no way that's him", insinuating that the retconning of the series to fit in Dr. Gordon was not the original vision of the story.
22:12 just like the personalized subtitle for “Saw 3D: Liar Liar, Wife on Fire” from the kill count on Dead Meat
"For all I know, this is taking place after Spiral." Too funny there lol
at 8:44 you can see pigmask walk up on the left, he doesn't just appear out of nowhere.
right! came here to comment that.
I love Jill Tuck, I don’t know why -I was really rooting for her in this movie!
This movie is so overbearingly ridiculous. The series lost any sense of coherency back in the middle of Saw II. How people can claim with a straight face that these movies are "smart" and "make you think" is beyond me.
Add an extra sin for lying in the movie title. no way is this the final chapter.
Saw worked best as a trilogy, and even then that was probably one too many.
I enjoy watching them, though, not for any real merit, but moreso in the way you watch a train wreck. I’m current up to Spiral, and the fun for me is finding out how they write themselves out of the corner they’ve written themselves into in the previous film.
I don't know why they put Final Chapter and any movie title when we pretty much all know it's not going to be the final movie
2:50 The very first movie had Jigsaw target someone whose only "crime" was pretending to be sick to get out of work, and he had to walk on broken glass to figure out a password before dying from poison or burning himself alive. Dude's always been putting people in death traps for the smallest offences
When I watched the movie 2 days I was wondering why Bobby didn't just hang on the very bottom row the cage and just gently sit down his feet in between the spikes. Sure you can put a cage in the air but if the person's tall enough they can easily do that trick.
They could've easily fixed this if they just
Showed on the tape that if he touched the spikes they'd slam shut like a Venus fly-
Oh wait the series already did that
Still
All the rules got thrown out the window on this one, especially the horrifc death of Joyce, a character who did absolutely nothing to deserve such a painful death.
Facts
THANK YOU. FINALLY.
We may got bamboozled last week, but thank god we finally got it at last!
you missed the error in reverse bear trap. hoffman just add one metal bar but when the bear trap goes off it had many metal bars attached to jills mouth.
What do you mean he added a bar, I just remembered him tightening the screws, she woke up & then she died cause there was no Key for her to beat the trap
I'm surprised he didnt tack on a sin for the lady staying on the phone saying "Gibson" while she basically waited for Hoffman to kill her. Lol
Has a movie that has had the name “final chapter” added on to it, ever truly been the final chapter ?
Like Ozzy having a farewell tour for 35 years lol.
resident evil movies technically since they rebooted after
Saw: The Final Chapter…for seven years until we start again
oh man, I miss Chester Bennington. ❤
Imagine how his family feels.. his kids... He was a very selfish person. He got what he wanted and in the end it didn't even matter.
@@HereToWatchNotReadwhat did he do that was selfish
Me too 😢
@@HereToWatchNotReadhe was not selfish.
@@HereToWatchNotReadisn’t forcing someone to continue suffering for your own self also selfish though?
exactly
Yes, thank you!! The saw series is ridiculous
Also I think his friend scarred him for real so the scars weren't fake
That car trap 🪤 made me imagine that REALLY happening 😮
Seeing that everything is on timers, that car trap could actually work. Everything in the Saw movies has been rigged to start at specific times. Like a video being rigged to start when you wake up or enter a specific room.
Sure some of them are by lucky chance, where there seems to be no guarantee that specific people get to their tapes or trials. Also with Bobby or the Insurance Guy. Idk what would've happened if they died before finishing their tests, but it seemed that in Saw VI the Acid would've killed the Mother Son & his Sister instead perhaps. And every other trap would go on as if they were present but there'd be no one saving them. The Secretary or Young er Guy would have a 50/50 chance of who lived or died. The rigged Merry Go Round would've ended with one girl & the guy who died. Since if the Insurance dude wasn't there, the Guy who died last gets to survive.
This movie was worth it just to see Tobin in a backwards hat xD
#1 sin is it's titled the final chapter
That generally means they're gonna make movies for another 30 years, take some time off, and start the whole process all over again w remakes
For real. I might be the minority here, but I can't stand these movies. The first one was decent, and I couldn't care less about the 10th one. I guess Saw 45 will explain all the convoluted crap this series has come up with 😂
“Call came in about a car crash” “why are you there”
“It’s not just a car crash”
Lmfaoooo na they were padding tf outta the run time
Believe it or not they really weren't trying the pad the run time
They origionally wanted to make this film in two parts
Then cause saw 6 didnt do well they had to cut TONNES out to make it one film
@@adventurouspeachwhat’s TONNES
Jeremy should be happy with X. It resolved his 1 complaint from this movie lol
@ 4:53 This guy sums up this generation perfectly fake it till u make it until u get exposed & reality checks u!
I’m not 100% certain, since I wasn’t exactly timing it or anything, but in Saw X I think all the victims do get exactly/fairly close to the exact amount of time their tapes tell them they have to escape their traps.
Sin 51 doesn’t make sense. The guy said he’s found enough pieces to make 4 bodies, he can count and why would he expect anything other than normal anatomy for humans? This is not about extraterrestrial life is it?
While this movie is the most flawed of the original 7, it had its moments. That scene when Hoffman used that dead woman as literal puppet to get that guy to open the door is genuinely unnerving.
What about how Bobby would have had to be examined by doctors who would have realized his injuries were not severe enough to hoist himself up ? November 3rd 2023 1:53 PM Central Time
What symbolizes the placenta?
The floor piece that was released and ejected. Like the placenta it kept him alive while in the womb.
I was so happy to see Chester again in a random CinemaSins video. Thank you, CinemaSins
R.I.P Chester you will always be a legend to me ❤❤❤
8:52 He called him Ryan Reynolds lol
5:08 "How do you do, fellow kids?"
They really gotta stop giving movies the subtitle "The Final Chapter"
I think Hoffman might actually be rigging the games, but way differently from Amanda. He wouldn't make the games _impossible_ to survive like what Amanda did, or that would've gotten John's attention. But all of the games we know Hoffman had a hand in designing were either impossible to escape without being irreversibly disfigured, like the car trap, or just required somebody to die, like most of the traps in Saw VI. Hoffman was just a twisted killer that enjoyed hurting other people. #NotMyJigsaw
I have a confession to make.....I really didn't come to this video to see all the mistakes....I actually came to here all of the funny commentary and I was not disappointed.😅
The biggest sin in this movie is the fact that it is not called- Saw 7: Kill Jill
I’m still waiting for him to Sin “Elemental”
@13:57 this trap could have been defeated in literal seconds. The table that the victim is on is being actuated by a literal bicycle chain, which he could have just stomped and made it walk off the gears it was turning.
I love that Carey Elwes has been in the most of these films…and he still has no idea what’s going on in them according to interviews
4:50 Line from the director before he had the dream sequence idea made it into the movie.
Those two in the horror triangle at the beginning gave me a total "Dude, What does mine say?" vibe lol
Please do The Menu. I think your analysis of that movie would be awesome and funny as hell!!
Could Lawrence have been initiating the traps that happen while Hoffman is unavailable? Do we know that Hoffman was 'supposed' to be behind them?
Oh Dread Pirate Roberts, how far you have fallen.
The bits where you’re counting how many extra seconds are added on to Jigsaws (more accurately Hoffman’s) traps were the funniest part
I wonder how many sins are gonna be taken off on Saw X.
Tell me you'll do "EWW Jigsaw" and "EWW Spiral" now ... please ? PLEASE ?!
Finally, he did this one!!!!! I thought he forgot about the saw series 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂!!!!
14:10 69 sins for going 69 seconds over 60 seconds. Nice.
i couldnt stop laughing at 2:11 thats a lot of beeps 😂😂😂
plus 22:43
i'm waiting on your take on Fast X. i know you don't wanna, but ya gotta.
Where is Fast X movie review 😭🤣🤣I’ve been craving it…let’s break the sin counter again
As much as I’m a die-hard fan of this series, this is hands down, by far, the worst entry in it’s library.
How do you rank them from worst to best ?
@@BelcherKendric-vn7ke
10. Saw 3D
9. Saw V
8. Saw II (blasphemy I know)
7. Saw IV
6. Jigsaw
5. Saw III
4. Spiral
3. Saw VI
2. Saw
1. Saw X
The 1 good thing about the 1st trap the girl that cheated on the guys & used them gets a taste of her own medicine in the End!
How is getting cut in half a taste of her own medicine?
As for the question of "How is Hoffman doing all the traps and also doing his revenge scheme" it's always felt to me like the final ending reveal is supposed to answer that question: He wasn't. He was fully in on his revenge scheme, and wasn't aware of the traps at all, as they were being carried out by (most likely) Doctor Gordon and the other Jigsaw disciples.
And, since we have two other henchmen helping Gordon abduct Hoffman, we can assume one of them will turn out to be Diego from Saw X, and the other could be Logan. Can't really think of any other potential people, besides maybe Daniel Matthews, but he'd hold a grudge for losing his father.
@@swandive46no, the writers & director already revealed that the two disciples with Dr. Gordon in the end of 7 were the two guys who survived the first/beginning trap of the film. They said it on the behind the scenes and commentary track for this movie, along with interviews.
@@TishaC89 Eh, since they weren't revealed on screen, I believe it should not be treated as canon. I think it's better to just retroactively make it Diego, rather than using players from a shitty trap.
It's been a while since I last watched these so I don't remember perfectly, but I always felt like Hoffman did the traps in the later movies because they had some unfair element in them (someone always dies). Unlike originally with John's traps it actually was a choice between live or die.
@@swandive46it is cannon considering the writers, producers, and director confirmed it 😂 It’s a known fact. Cary Elwes who plays Dr. Gordon also said it himself in addition to the two men who played in the film with him.- the two from the beginning trap of Saw 7 (Sebastian Pigott as Brad & Jon Cor as Ryan) literally played the same two men who were at the end with him. That was literally them standing there. You’re saying you know better than the people who were there and acted in the film? 😂 No one ever said that Diego became John’s disciple. Not every survivor becomes a disciple- look at the people who were in the self help group. Plus Diego isn’t a prime candidate considering he was still cussing at John afterwards and didn’t act like he changed. Plus Saw X doesn’t even have the same writers as 7, X is a prequel taking place between 1 & 2, and they wouldn’t jump connect it to 7 as it’s just the 1 at that point or override the previously set script and cannon, so you’re logic is flawed.
A full 50 seconds of shameless advertising, ding
Saw trap in public, with maybe seven or eight people filming it on their phones, instead of *everyone* whipping out their phones to record it and upload it directly to TH-cam. When was this movie shot, 2005? *DING!* 😀
Fun fact: the blood looked pink and fake as shit because in 3D it apparently looked more like real blood rather than actual fake blood did in 3D. Not sure how true it is, but that’s what production had said
They seriously need(ed) to colour-correct it (not that they will) for 2D viewing because it looks absolutely preposterous. Dawn of the Dead from 1978 had more realistic looking blood than this.
56 seconds of ads even though I have ad block *and* premium
*DING*
Wait, why didn't you Sin how this definitely isn't the Final Chapter?
He was to busy bleeping all his fucking language.
Well in a technical sense...this is the final in this timeline. Saw 8/Jigsaw is a pre/requel/boot, Spiral is (the start) of another series, and Saw10 is actually more like Saw 1.5
Technically yeah. But Jigsaw was a direct Sequel/Prequel at the same time. Since it's around 10 years after John Kramer's Death. Spiral is also a sequel where the killer decides to mimic Jigsaw's work, though he was a copycat instead of an apprentice. And yeah Sax X is exactly as you described it.
8:46 the pig actually hops up on the left side of the screen, so it wasnt exactly out of thin air
Yes so remove 1 sin bit then add it back because how did he not hear him walking up to the car at that speed 😂
Being called Saw The Final Chapter and it not being the final chapter - 10 sins
Technically it is
@@A_real_Ha_So no it’s not. End of conversation