The Mosin-Nagant. The gateway drug for most milsurp collectors. It maybe one of the cheapest guns you ever buy, but one of the most expensive purchases you will make. My oldest Mosin is a 1898 Sestroryetsk 3 Line M91.
My oldest and first was a gift from a relative, 1907 built '03 Springfield that survived both wars... Mosin my be the the cheapest gateway drug to MilSurp... But once you get a Mauser you will NEVER stop. I'm up to 5 now. And that's fine DIFFERENT rifles not 5 Springfield's. American, Swedish, Turkish and 2 German
Milsurp Mike Channel, if you were around firearms in he US during the 60’s, up until maybe the 1990’s you seldom, if ever saw a Mosin. I remember shooting everything from old Remington Rolling Blocks to M-14 rifle’s. I had a chance to buy a mint Mosin for get this $35, back in 1972. I shot it and at the time I’d rather of shot the Rolling Block. Now, now I’m not so sure.. This s absolutely not proven, but from working in gun shops, the main reason why Mosin rifles became popular is due to several factors; one, the rifles were cheap as long as Russia, and others was dumping them on the market -often you could buy four Mosins for one worn out Lee-Enfields, two, as it was connected with the Soviet Union, it was one of the “bad guys” rifles, very much somewhat why WWII German weapons were in high demand (absent the sometimes high quality and 3, the Mosin achieved significant popularity with its heavy presence in some first person shooter video games.
A "line" is exactly one-tenth of an inch, and an _Arshin_ is exactly two and a half feet. In the 1700s Tsar Peter the Great wanted to switch Russia over to the Imperial system - but traditionalists objected, so he did the next-best thing and reformed Russian units to be easily converted to Imperial units.
@@coaxill4059 The Arshin or "Russian yard" used to be the length of a man's arm from shoulder to fingertip. Obviously that's imprecise, because one peasant's arm is going to be longer than another. Peter's reforms introduced a standard length that could be measured out with tools. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Obsolete_Russian_units_of_length__-ru.svg/935px-Obsolete_Russian_units_of_length-__ru.svg.png
And the only problem people had was no-one could agree on how long an inch was... That was settled with the metric inch in 1959. The 303 rifle is a 303 because London and Enfield couldn’t agree on the length of an inch - and that was just in England...
@@TomasPabon Because they were fans of the French Aristocrats. And the Aristocrats were currently being decapitated, arrested, or exiled due to the French Revolution. And with that came a sudden dislike of all things that weren't arisocratic and came out of the new French "Republic".
This is a great quote to summarize the mosin, it’s a rifle that was made to fill the hands of conscript armies comprised of millions of Russian serfs who’ve never before handled a rifle, it doesn’t matter if rifle is the best in the world if you can’t make enough for every soldier. Just point and aim it, and once you’re empty just run and beat them until they stop twitching , and if it breaks, just pick a new one from the pile .
@@kitchenjail3546 Lol nope, those guns hated by the Russian and ended in foreign army like the Czech and Finn. You cant put scope on it, you cant prone on it and have multiple parts.
@@yulusleonard985 Could you not just turn the rifle to the side when recharging while printed? Sure, you'll interrupt your sight picture, but that really doesn't seem like that big of a deal breaker to me.
Awesome as Always ! You Should have have 740.000 subscribers by now , Othias & Mae are excellent Teachers , this has to be one of the most interesting episode's yet and deserved every minute I spent watching it (It took Me 3 days as I have no internet at home and have to watch at work during My breaks) these Folk work So hard for our enrichment , the whole team deserve more praise than I am capable . Thanks All at C&R .
In my personal opinion about the quality of the weapon, yes, it might have been inferior in handling to other rifles of the time, but seeing how that was because of design compromises to make the rifle easy to make...well if you are forced to mobilize an army that can be as large as the Russian army was, you demanded something easy and cheap to build. That never comes without sacrifices and that the Mosin-Nagant did make those sacrifices shouldn't really detract that much from the rifle itself. The question always remains wether is better to have 3.500.000 Rifles that work and fire and are reliable, even if they are inferior in handling to other nations' rifles...or to have only half of that number that work beautifully. For a small country it's obvious it's the latter. For Russia?....for russia it's all about making it as simple as easy to make as possible to churn it in as big numbers as possible. For me is clear the Mosin-Nagant did what it was supposed to do and had the characteristics that Russia demanded out of the rifle - not all of them have to make for a splendid rifle ,but better to have a mountain of so-so rifles than few very good rifles (and much better than no rifle at all). So I still like the weapon for what it was. It served in two different world wars (different versions but even then), so noone can say that it didn't do what it was supposed to do. Considering the ammount of firearms out there that didn't do exactly that, I'd still rate the Mosin-Nagant as one of the all-time great rifles, even if imperfect and with some significant issues. And bloody heck, guys. 1 hour 40 minutes of a spectacular lesson on firearms and history. You're one of the best treasures TH-cam has to offer nowadays. SPLENDID JOB!.
Well, I've got one and my conclusion is slightly different. The rifle itself is surprisingly awesome, but the main problem is not the rail, but rather the cocking-piece and the usage of rimmed ammo. I've tuned my bolt (and done a trigger job, but that's unrelated) to the point where it really runs smoothly, but that required fiddling with the geometry of the cocking piece and some hours of work. Not the kind of effort that you would do for a cheap mass-produced piece of crap. The same design, if produced to the machining standards of German or Japanese stuff and perhaps allowed some more refinement and improvement of the details would not be in any way inferior to other guns. It's really the fit and finish that ruin it.
The thing is that the design itself is bad. Split-bridge receiver? The location of the bolt handle? Feed control? Single-stack magazine? The Mosin can be understood within the context of “we need to arm millions of poorly-trained peasants cheaply”, but that’s it. As for non-Russian manufacture Mosins, there was a large batch manufactured here in the US by Remington and at least one other company. They’re still bad.
We must also remember, this is an older design than many of the rifles it would end up facing, and was meant to compete with the likes of the Gew 88, 86 Lebel, and the older straight-pull Mannlichers. There is something to be said for sticking with something that you know how to make and can make a boat-load of when you have to deal with the scale of the Russian military. I'm actually pretty fond of the Mosin as a shooter and the action is pretty easy to deal with via the proper application of lubricants (specifically putting lithium grease on the cam surface that cocks the striker, does wonders for even the worst of the stiff bolts).
This episode was a C&Rsenal masterpiece. You took a weapon with a complicated and subtle history and really did it justice. I don't know how you got to be so good at doing this, but please keep doing it.
"While they would ultimately win, they suffered extreme casualties in the process and it took longer than they expected" seems to sum up most Russian military actions over the last 200 years.
Thats BS. Story about "horrendous losses" nothing but western propaganda. There are tons of fights and battles where Russian won having less men and much less casualties. But in the west everything is upside down and wrong casualties numbers wrong literally everything. Total propaganda. Its proven dozen of times when germans or french increase russian casualties like 2-3 times and everything just repeat it all the time for political propaganda. Great example are Napoleonic wars WW1 and ww2. In ww2 Russians lost less men per 1 killed german than USA, (1.3 USSR vs 1.6 USA) but in everyones mind on the west its like Russian lost gazillions and didnt care about soldiers and didnt kill much. which is just banana BS. EVERY single general does care abput soldiers cause noone wants lose people and stay without army,. Another MYTH about general winter or other excuses for europeans lost so many wars to Russians. After that west is malding and repeat all BS again and again and cry about exuses why russians won so many times. Wester (europeans) never accepted fact that Russians fought MUCH better in many cases on strategic or tactical level. Just suvorov is example who won like 60 battles and didnt lose a sigle one and most times had less ppl than enemy. But when you start reading western sources of that time it all complete BS everytime CNN fake news for centuries.
I have quite a few Mosins including a sniper and Finnish variants. I guess I have been very fortunate as they all have parts that match (with Finnish being different or forced). The bolts all function like you would expect and all the Russian / Soviet versions have been through arsenal refurbishment. But, they function well whether they are cold or hot. They are durable and shoot good groups. The Finnish shoot really good groups. I haven't had the trouble that others have had, but then my Russian / Soviet versions were all made before WW2 or after. I know wartime production involved corners to be cut. To me, the bolts are like simple manual transmissions in a car, clunky and unrefined, but they work. Mauser, Enfield, Mannlicher, and Schmit Rubin (to name a few) all have better engineered bolts and receivers, but the rugged simplicity and basic functionality is what makes the Mosin Nagant what it is; a basic battle rifle that will function whether it's in the arctic or the tropics. I admire the weapon and it's design, but I really admire those other rifles I mentioned, too. It's not a competition for me, but all these rifles represent interesting history and a cool shooting experience.
Penguins??? I love this show. This is why history teachers like Othias shouldn't be potentially censored or shut down by TH-cam. Like the opening of Tales of the Gun said, The gun has played a critical role in history. An invention which has been praised and denounced, served hero and villain alike. Villains or the deeds of villains shouldn't be allowed to control how history is taught. Keep up the great work Othias, Mae, and the whole C&Rsenal crew.
Over summer I managed an absolute score. A buddy said he had a mosin he was thinking of sale. Sight unseen I offered him my school laptop that I got when I graduated, it was a like $200 laptop. I offered it to him as trade, cause I was like oh a mosin, they’re cheap. Dude decided to accept offer and I finally got to see the rifle. Turns out it was a 1895 Finish Mosin.
@@alexeishayya-shirokov3603The Finnish never made mosins they bought or captured them from other countries so the rifle was made in 1895 before the finns got it
I must be the luckiest Mosin Nagant owner in the world: Mine was made in 1928. Wood and metal in superb condition.. My bolt and trigger work fine, even on par with my Savage Axis and TC Compass modern rifles. As far as the hand rest placement, put on three layers of wool clothing and then your thickest and warmest winter coat. Then, take the Mosin and put it up to your shoulder. I live in upper Michigan and it has snowed in May. And I have shot this rifle in very cold weather. No lock ups ever. Deadly accurate at man sized targets at 200 yards. Oh, yes. I use modern, high quality lubricant and keep it meticulously clean. That's the secret. Love your video. Love May!
American soldiers from the post WWI Russia Expedition Forces around June1918 till March 1920 were armed with these rifles when they landed in Russia. The Minnesota and Michigan National Guard infantry regiments had more combat time than the average American combat divisions in Western Europe and they were armed with the Mosin-Nagant 1891s. They fought against the Russian Communist Bolsheviks in Archangel Russia guarding the railways along with White Russian and other Allied troops. This was a truly forgotten war that majority of Americans did not know about. The American soldiers were very unhappy not to be armed with their favorite M1903s or their M1917s which they had been trained on. The British were in command over all along with a committee of officers from nations like France, and Japan. The Allied troops were armed with their nation's service rifles but the Americans were forced to use the Mosin-Nagants. The American infantrymen made the rifles work and held their own during combat operations. The only good thing was ammunition resupply was not a problem because they had tons of Russian ammunition and got them off the dead Bolsheviks that they killed in combat. The Americans were better trained in this type of combat because it was frontier style fighting that American soldiers have done in the late 1800s and before. American soldiers were stationed in block houses along the railways with good defensive positions and did patrol around their perimeters and along the tracks. The Michigan and Minnesota Guardsmen nearly half of them were hunters and woodsmen. Some were Russian born immigrants or Finns who knew the Russian language in their ranks allowed them to fight on almost even terms. Aggressive reconnaissance patrolling done by American soldiers helped very much catching Bolshevik patrols by ambush to alert their positions and mount counter attacks. The Bolsheviks never fought troops like the Americans who were good marksmen and using American Indian style tactics despite being outnumbered and fighting in the forests of Siberia. Some American outpost were wiped out due to artillery and overwhelmed with massive waves of Red infantry attacking them. The US troops were pulled out when the Allies decided that trying to save the White Russians was hopeless and the Allies pulled out in 1920. American soldiers fought well with their Russian rifles issued to them despite their deficiencies and held their own in combat. Very interesting but forgotten part of American military history.
Sorry, but while your piece may contain a lot of actual history, you've made a big mistake. Three American Regiments were sent to Russia in 1917/1918. The Regular Army 23rd (?) and 31st from Hawaii were sent (literally) to Siberia to help the Czech's get home, and theoretically back into the fight. The other Regiment was the 339th Infantry Regiment of the 85th Division, and while it was given the nickname of Detroit's Own, it was a National Army (the World War One version of the modern Army Reserve) Division, and therefore Regiment, which means that the bulk of the Division was composed initially of draftees from Michigan. To the best of my knowledge, no National Guard personnel were sent to Russia, and especially from Minnesota.
David Briggs=Thank you for your correction. I remember being at Schofield Barracks in Hawaii the 27th INF "Wofhounds" which is part of the 25th Infantry Division. The 31st INF "Polar Bears" which was in the Philippines as the only American regiment in the Philippine Division before WWII. You have a better grasp of this really unknown part of American military involvement. Once again thanks.
Red Devil, You are right in that it was the 27th, and not the 23rd Infantry Regiment that was sent to Siberia. The 23rd was actually in France with the 2nd Infantry Division. And by the way, some former National Guard personnel MAY have actually found their way to Russia with the 339th, but those would have been (for the most part) former National Guard Enlisted Personnel who received commissions, or served as senior NCO's, since the 339th needed at least a few NCOs initially. But those few (if any) National Guard personnel who found their way to Russia were no longer with their old National Guard unit.
@@АлександрДрагович-ч2г ok, I'll bite. And we all remember your close to 40 year occupation of Germany, Hungary, Austria, Romania, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, etc. Oh don't forget what "you" did to Poland. Compared to what, like 1 rumor you heard?
Please, for the love of God, whatever you do, include more of those penguins into the episodes, even if they're completely unrelated to the subject at hand.
Mae, a Nagant, and "God Save The Tsar".... gotta love it! The first MN I fired (or saw) was a Chinese-made Type 53 carbine in N. Vietnamese/Viet Cong service, with the frog-sticker folding bayonet. I think it was a Chinese copy of the Soviet M44. Many years ago. Impressive fireball! As you pointed out, the Mosin may not be one's FAVORITE rifle, but it is a sturdy, reliable rifle and would definitely do in a pinch!
Mae, I'm so sorry about what you will have to go through with the mosin carbine in order for us to get the next episode. Thank you for your valiant service in the name of the channel. We shall never forget your dedication and determination in order for us to have these glorious videos.
1:17:37 "...so as we'll see from 1909 to 19010, a number of minor changes appear to deal with the recoil of that new, more powerful round." Man. Mosin has been in service for a long time, huh.
Combat Footage from Russia 2022 in Ukraine, they are using this for rear guard duty. I also saw a video of the Ukranian Army shooting a Maxim (maybe Vickers) but definitely Water cooled Maxim, cloth belt and all. WW1 weapons are being used TODAY!!!
Those MNs used in Ukraine are a newer breed (M91/30 and M91/48 variant). They were all WW2 surplus. That MG was a Maxim Sokolov MG, another WW2 surplus.
Man theres some old stuff over there right now being fielded. You seen the dual Maxims or dual Vickers or whatever it was? They're setting 2 up on a mount with a red dot and running them both at once. I've heard of a quad mount but not seen it with my own eyes. You think those guys would've ever imagined their weapons would still be being deployed in today's day and age? Especially with modern weapons technology?
Took my grandfather's 1903 Springfield and shot it side by side with my buddy's Mosin. It was like putting a Porsche against a Volkswagen in a drag race. Mae saying you have to work the Mosin bolt like it owes you money is spot on.
I'm glad they didn't take you guys down, and that you were able to stay afloat monetarily to continue the channel. I learned a LOT about the history of the Mosin-Nagant, so thank you.
I love most surplus ww1-ww2 rifles, I just hate obsessive Mauser fans. (Looking at you Alex, of TFB, I'll never respect folks like him.) Mosin guys are usually easy to get along with in my experience, but someone will surely say I'm biased, oh well. If I was going for a "special" mosin, I'd buy a Tula Arsenal made one. My Izhevsk's suit me fine, that's just me though.
I love most surplus ww1-ww2 rifles, I just hate obsessive Mauser fans. (Looking at you Alex, of TFB, I'll never respect folks like him.) Mosin guys are usually easy to get along with in my experience, but someone will surely say I'm biased, oh well. If I was going for a "special" mosin, I'd buy a Tula Arsenal made one. My Izhevsk's suit me fine, that's just me though.
The mosin nagant is like a cute coworker. Nice lines... a bit unpredictable... you could probably take it out and have a lot of fun, but you've heard the stories... and you know that in the end you won't want to be settling down with it.
This is the episode that convinced me to become a paetron. I've been enjoying your content for a while now and I can't remember a single ad before, during or after one of your videos. The depth and extent of research done by the team is not to be taken for granted. Yt being a private company can flick this channel without providing rhyme or reason. I love the way Othias explains how this feature is different to the ones before in a manner of a good friend telling you about his new toy. It's less like a tutorial and more like a Saturday arvo over a beer. A then we get to play with the new toy with Mae, who always has a shit eating grin after firing! The T-Gewer in particular! My only complaint is that the videos are too long to wait for but Im also excited when they drop knowing they are delivered by people who's options I respect.
Being a Patron, I see these a week early, so I go through this process: > "New C&Rsenal! Awesome!" > "Oh, wait, I've already seen this one, darn." > "Screw it, I'll watch it again anyway!"
Brilliant! I waited on this one until I had time to really pay attention. The work you are doing here is truly amazing. Your channel is better than anything t.v. Has to offer. I just want to say that this is finally the first milsurp rifle that Mae hasn't smiled through firing. If that doesn't endear this rifle to history then I don't know what does. Please don't stop...love your films!
I have always regarded this as a historical gun show. Ian does a gun show. You guys have a larger ambit with the historical context so no, I don't see it as just a gun show. I've learned a lot about life and the times in the pre-1900 period and thank you. It is fascinating.
Thank you for your informative video. I am a Mongolian. From the age of 16 I started to use mosin. At that time, there weren't many western rifles in Mongolia. I was so amazed to see exit wound of this bullet and its long range capabilities. Many times I have seen exit wound of 20 cms in diameter. The most amazing thing I have ever seen was my uncle used to hit animals at the range of 800-1000 meters with mosin without scope. I have also seen some hunters shoot with mosin like semi-auto rifles. They reload it unbelievable fast. I personally shoot really fast and I never seen cartridges jams. Army cartridges rapture very often, but it never jammed in the chamber. I agree that mosin too heave and long and it's bolt is hard to pull.
What I liked most about the Mosin is that I got three of them for $100. These were Chinese M53's but still a high power Rifle for cheap. I also got two Finnish M28's for $40 each. They aren't that cheap anymore though.
"Obviously I don't have enough penguins for the entire rifle." PLEASE put this on a t shirt. Preferably with a bunch of tiny penguins trying to lift a Mosin.
Everytime I see the rifles in the episode and in the background I am filled with envy. Thanks for posting this and increasing our knowledge and appreciation of firearms history.
In WWI the British brought a battle rifle, the Americans brought a target rifle, the Germans brought a hunting rifle and the Russians brought....a rifle.
@@andrewmoore7022 Zut alors! How could you say such things!? The French did not bring a bad rifle, they brought the single greatest yeeter of rifle grenades of the war!
In case I forgot to mention it, another excellent posting... very informative history lesson and very entertaining as well. Merry Christmas 2022, and Happy Yuletide to you and Mae!❄
The Soviets wanted a new rifle , but it had been pushed back , the tanks and planes were more urgent When the SVT 38 was rejected by the Army , Stalin quipped " Well we are stuck with the old 3 lines for a bit longer " then the war made any rifle a critical need P.S the SVT slowly solved it's fault , the model 40 was way better
I have a 1942 surplus 91/30 with all matching numbers and even bayonet. And at 100 yards I can hit 1 inch groups with open sights. I love my mosin, I thought the bolt was okay considering when it was made, but then I got my 1919 1903 Springfield and realized that...yeah...the mosin bolt leaves a lot to be desired lol. But I still love shooting it.
As I got to the end of the video, I could feel my blood pressure going up. I love my Mosin, and I wanted to defend it. Then I remembered two things. 1) I have made a ton of modifications to it to make it a better shooter. 2) My rifle is a 91/30 that had a ton of modifications done to it BEFORE I ever laid hands on it. I watched the vid early in the morning without a sufficient amount of caffeine in my system.
I can ring an 8" X 13" gong at 200 yds with it. So it's pretty accurate. And the bolt isn't all the "mushy, springy" that you describe. It was also made in 1939, not 1891. It's 3 inches shorter than yours and it has started developing headspace issues. I am considering sending it to Mark at Anvil for some work.
GunFun ZS considering the gun was designed to hit a man-sized Target at 200 yards, I would say pegging basically a sheet of paper 5 out of 5 rounds is pretty good. Not to mention this is with iron sights, on a rifle that served at least one war, and probably other assignment since then. Have you ever looked down the sites of a Mosin after it's fired 10 or 15 rounds of 7.62 by 54R? The heat waves coming through your sight picture will mess up your sight picture. You got to remember this is an almost 80 year old Mosin Nagant, this isn't a Remington 700.
I own this gun for 2 reasons. 1 it is fun to shoot. And if you can get proficient with the crappy bolt action and a long creepy trigger pull, you will be halfway decent with any other gun. And 2, the history the same reason I own flintlocks. So I can get appreciation for what the people who went to war before me worked with.
Part of the reason for the rubbery looseness of the Mosin bolt probably lies in the bitter cold of the Russian winter. Russians know that everything shrinks and seizes in the winter, so a little extra play is generally a good idea.
It can also hit a scorching +40 Celsius in the summer in some parts of the country, namely in Volgograd (ex. Stalingrad) where it's basically 6 months of bitter cold and 6 months of scorching heat. Now just imagine what this could do to any piece of metal, let alone a rifle bolt.
Probably the best video about this rifle I have seen. First time watching the channel and was so impressed that I subscribed and plan to check out your other videos.
Oh my God I can't believe I missed this episode back when it was released. The penguins are ingenious, that was actually a great way to visualize the issue.
Classic joke about the Mosin Nagat: M16 - Butt melts under the magnifying glass. AK-47 - Under the magnifying glass you can still consider it working with Vietnamese mud instead of grease. Mosin Nagat - Under the magnifying glass you can see the blood-soaked tree it came from M16 - It breaks when dirty. AK-47 - Works when dirty. Mosin Nagat- There was not a clean moment when it entered the hands of troops in 1892. M16 - Hundreds of moving parts fastened by dozens of bolts and screws. AK-47 - A couple dozen moving parts held by a handful of rivets and the ugly seams of a drunken Russian welder. Mosin Nagat - Three moving parts, two screws. M16 - You're more likely to die than you will break this dashing rifle in hand-to-hand combat. AK-47 - Your machine can be well fought in hand-to-hand. Mosin Nagat - Your rifle is a classy spear with the ability to shoot. M16 - If the bug breaks, you take the rifle to the factory under warranty. AK-47- If the bug breaks, you buy a new one. Mosin Nagat - If the bug breaks, you spin it a couple of turns further into the bolt. M16 - More difficult to manufacture than some aircraft. AK-47 - Used by countries that do not have money for airplanes. Mosin Nagat - Used to shoot down the aircraft. M16 - Favorite drink of the owner - whiskey. AK-47 - Favorite drink of the owner - vodka. Mosin Nagat- Favorite drink of the owner - brake fluid, fused on a frozen scrap. M16 - Makes a small hole, neat according to the Geneva Convention. AK-47 - Makes a big hole, sometimes tears off limbs, does not comply with the Geneva Convention. Mosin Nagat - One of the reasons for the creation of the Geneva Convention. M16 - Excellent shooting small rodents. AK-47 - Excellent shooting enemies of the motherland. Mosin Nagat- Excellent shooting through light armor. M16 - Once in the river, it stops working. AK-47 - Once in the river, it still shoots. Mosin Nagat - Once in the river, it’s usually used as an oar. M16 - Rifle-attached grenade launcher. heavy, but can put a grenade in the window for 200 meters. AK-47 - If anything, you can throw a grenade from the rifle into the window with your hand. Mosin Nagat- What grenade? Just go through the wall, the cartridge punches almost a meter of brick. M16 - You can put on a muffler, and small cartridge does not give much noise. AK-47 - In principle, you can put a on muffler, but it's better just to press enemies to the ground with continuous fire. Mosin Nagat - What the fuck is the point of a muffler when after the first shot everything is deaf anyway? M16 - The Weapons of Attack. AK-47 - The Weapons of Defense. Mosin Nagat - The Weapons of Victory!!!
Your videos are amazing! I do firearms history blogs on my Facebook page, and I refer to you for some of my research. You fill in so many gaps! Thank you for sharing this passion.
Mauser rifles - Revolutionary bolt system, great hunter's rifle. Lee Enfield - Very fast very smooth action. Mosin Nagant - A cheap rifle back in the day. Mosin Nagant rifles are nice, the wood on them is beautiful but that's all I can really say, Mosin Nagants were famous for being cheap surplus rifles with a good cartridge back when they were imported.
@@quentinhoward99 my guns aren't shot to shit, if that's what you're implying. I have acquired (many) other milsurp rifles that are more accurate on paper since then, but when want to make good groups (relatively speaking, those aren't bench rest rifles), I still come back to the good ol' Mosin. I guess i got used to it.
@@lefr33man Look I don't mean to be rude but unless it's been re-barreled or is a Finnish example I just don't think I can believe that. Out of the factory sniper qualified examples with pu scopes can't hold a group better than 3 moa on the best of days and that is a well established fact. Now if it has been re-barreled or is a Finnish example then feel free to correct me.
@@quentinhoward99 Nope, regular 91/30 from 1943. As I said just before, I'm aware there are better shooters out there. I just shoot best with my Mosin. it falls naturally in my hands, the front sight has the ideal shape and size for me, and the trigger is pretty good on mine (I know there are mosins with horrible triggers out there), and handloading for it is easy.
No offense, but this episode was a 10/10 before the penguins and after you brought them out it was a uhhhhh... well, numbers cannot describe such a beautiful work of art
The Mosin-Nagant. The gateway drug for most milsurp collectors. It maybe one of the cheapest guns you ever buy, but one of the most expensive purchases you will make. My oldest Mosin is a 1898 Sestroryetsk 3 Line M91.
Not for me it was the Lee Enfield
Milsurp Mike Channel omg no truer words were said. I'm now up to 2 rifle safes. Sure bye that hundred dollar gun.
My oldest and first was a gift from a relative, 1907 built '03 Springfield that survived both wars... Mosin my be the the cheapest gateway drug to MilSurp... But once you get a Mauser you will NEVER stop. I'm up to 5 now. And that's fine DIFFERENT rifles not 5 Springfield's. American, Swedish, Turkish and 2 German
In Canada, the SKS seems to be peoples go to rifle when they get a milsurp for the first time. However the Mosin Nagant is never far behind.
Milsurp Mike Channel, if you were around firearms in he US during the 60’s, up until maybe the 1990’s you seldom, if ever saw a Mosin. I remember shooting everything from old Remington Rolling Blocks to M-14 rifle’s.
I had a chance to buy a mint Mosin for get this $35, back in 1972. I shot it and at the time I’d rather of shot the Rolling Block.
Now, now I’m not so sure..
This s absolutely not proven, but from working in gun shops, the main reason why Mosin rifles became popular is due to several factors; one, the rifles were cheap as long as Russia, and others was dumping them on the market -often you could buy four Mosins for one worn out Lee-Enfields, two, as it was connected with the Soviet Union, it was one of the “bad guys” rifles, very much somewhat why WWII German weapons were in high demand (absent the sometimes high quality and 3, the Mosin achieved significant popularity with its heavy presence in some first person shooter video games.
A "line" is exactly one-tenth of an inch, and an _Arshin_ is exactly two and a half feet. In the 1700s Tsar Peter the Great wanted to switch Russia over to the Imperial system - but traditionalists objected, so he did the next-best thing and reformed Russian units to be easily converted to Imperial units.
What was their system before that?
@@coaxill4059 The Arshin or "Russian yard" used to be the length of a man's arm from shoulder to fingertip. Obviously that's imprecise, because one peasant's arm is going to be longer than another. Peter's reforms introduced a standard length that could be measured out with tools.
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And the only problem people had was no-one could agree on how long an inch was... That was settled with the metric inch in 1959.
The 303 rifle is a 303 because London and Enfield couldn’t agree on the length of an inch - and that was just in England...
Wait I was always under the impression that Russian aristocracy of the time were massive Francophiles, why not go to the metric system?
@@TomasPabon
Because they were fans of the French Aristocrats. And the Aristocrats were currently being decapitated, arrested, or exiled due to the French Revolution. And with that came a sudden dislike of all things that weren't arisocratic and came out of the new French "Republic".
"You can complain all you want, it's better to know why." That's a damn good quote.
This is a great quote to summarize the mosin, it’s a rifle that was made to fill the hands of conscript armies comprised of millions of Russian serfs who’ve never before handled a rifle, it doesn’t matter if rifle is the best in the world if you can’t make enough for every soldier.
Just point and aim it, and once you’re empty just run and beat them until they stop twitching , and if it breaks, just pick a new one from the pile .
"The Russian response to taking fire from Winchester repeater rifles was... hurry up."
love it
Ironically, they ended up buying Winchester guns later one. And the soldiers loved those.
@@kitchenjail3546 Lol nope, those guns hated by the Russian and ended in foreign army like the Czech and Finn. You cant put scope on it, you cant prone on it and have multiple parts.
The Russians didn’t bother putting scopes on rifles until after WW1
@@yulusleonard985 Could you not just turn the rifle to the side when recharging while printed? Sure, you'll interrupt your sight picture, but that really doesn't seem like that big of a deal breaker to me.
@Random Pickle Lol wut? M1891 is inspired from Paul Mauser works and all his works are far more simple than any John Browning works.
"Obviously, I don't have enough penguins for the entire rifle." -Othais 25:25
Best quote of the series.
"With one penguin at the top...
there we go."
Man they should write books about this stuff.
Need some mosins to equip my weaponised assault penguins
Penguins per round sounds like a Russian unit of penetration.
"so yeah no more butt loaders" -Othais 26:38
"More than 1 million men without arms." Well I guess they don't need rifles then.
penguins don't have arms either!
...well played good sir or madame.
Ba-dum-bump! Dash!
(that's a rimshot)
Lol ffs thats great
What a waste of lives of so many.
Small Arms of WWII Primer 273: German MG42 (7 hours 43 minutes)
We can only hope :)
since the '42 is based on '34, I can only imagine how long the '34 video would be in that case.
I can hardly wait !
I cant wait for the Garand
b. griffin - one week? I mean a FULL week.
The penguin magazine system is undoubtedly the most radical concept I've seen in this or any other firearm. As Mark might put it, Outstanding!
"no more butt loading for the Russians.". -Othais
Lmao
"There's a lot going on back here."
"View all 3 replies"
*clicks button, sees 2 replies*
You still suck TH-cam.
This is truly great content.
Eks calybur that’s usually the result of a deleted comment.
This channel receives waaaay too little attention for the quality It delivers.
ik right??
Totally agree 👍
Amen
They should see if they can partner with a university for firearms history
@@jasonmartin1668 ä
My nephew is obsessed with that penguin toy. I will hear that music in my nightmares, I thank you for sparing me listening to it more.
Awesome as Always ! You Should have have 740.000 subscribers by now , Othias & Mae are excellent Teachers , this has to be one of the most interesting episode's yet and deserved every minute I spent watching it (It took Me 3 days as I have no internet at home and have to watch at work during My breaks) these Folk work So hard for our enrichment , the whole team deserve more praise than I am capable .
Thanks All at C&R .
24:21 A weapon to surpass metal gear
A weapon to surpass Memetal gear
The knowledge this man possesses and how he delivers the info is unreal, thank you good Sir.
In my personal opinion about the quality of the weapon, yes, it might have been inferior in handling to other rifles of the time, but seeing how that was because of design compromises to make the rifle easy to make...well if you are forced to mobilize an army that can be as large as the Russian army was, you demanded something easy and cheap to build. That never comes without sacrifices and that the Mosin-Nagant did make those sacrifices shouldn't really detract that much from the rifle itself.
The question always remains wether is better to have 3.500.000 Rifles that work and fire and are reliable, even if they are inferior in handling to other nations' rifles...or to have only half of that number that work beautifully. For a small country it's obvious it's the latter. For Russia?....for russia it's all about making it as simple as easy to make as possible to churn it in as big numbers as possible.
For me is clear the Mosin-Nagant did what it was supposed to do and had the characteristics that Russia demanded out of the rifle - not all of them have to make for a splendid rifle ,but better to have a mountain of so-so rifles than few very good rifles (and much better than no rifle at all).
So I still like the weapon for what it was. It served in two different world wars (different versions but even then), so noone can say that it didn't do what it was supposed to do. Considering the ammount of firearms out there that didn't do exactly that, I'd still rate the Mosin-Nagant as one of the all-time great rifles, even if imperfect and with some significant issues.
And bloody heck, guys. 1 hour 40 minutes of a spectacular lesson on firearms and history. You're one of the best treasures TH-cam has to offer nowadays. SPLENDID JOB!.
in Russia its called Mosin.
Well, I've got one and my conclusion is slightly different.
The rifle itself is surprisingly awesome, but the main problem is not the rail, but rather the cocking-piece and the usage of rimmed ammo.
I've tuned my bolt (and done a trigger job, but that's unrelated) to the point where it really runs smoothly, but that required fiddling with the geometry of the cocking piece and some hours of work. Not the kind of effort that you would do for a cheap mass-produced piece of crap.
The same design, if produced to the machining standards of German or Japanese stuff and perhaps allowed some more refinement and improvement of the details would not be in any way inferior to other guns. It's really the fit and finish that ruin it.
The thing is that the design itself is bad. Split-bridge receiver? The location of the bolt handle? Feed control? Single-stack magazine? The Mosin can be understood within the context of “we need to arm millions of poorly-trained peasants cheaply”, but that’s it. As for non-Russian manufacture Mosins, there was a large batch manufactured here in the US by Remington and at least one other company. They’re still bad.
Italians had the same problem, they made the Carcano, and that rifle is better then a Mosin.
We must also remember, this is an older design than many of the rifles it would end up facing, and was meant to compete with the likes of the Gew 88, 86 Lebel, and the older straight-pull Mannlichers. There is something to be said for sticking with something that you know how to make and can make a boat-load of when you have to deal with the scale of the Russian military. I'm actually pretty fond of the Mosin as a shooter and the action is pretty easy to deal with via the proper application of lubricants (specifically putting lithium grease on the cam surface that cocks the striker, does wonders for even the worst of the stiff bolts).
This episode was a C&Rsenal masterpiece. You took a weapon with a complicated and subtle history and really did it justice. I don't know how you got to be so good at doing this, but please keep doing it.
Describing Russian rifle technology with penguins. TH-cam GOLD!!!!
Oh youre on TH-cam as well? Cool
Little Jenny this video has been rated family friendly by TH-cam!
26:24 needs to be a GIF. Who's able to do it?
For a second, I had to check if this was the April Fools episode when I saw that.
Love the penguins. I used to own this ladder toy 34 years ago.
"While they would ultimately win, they suffered extreme casualties in the process and it took longer than they expected" seems to sum up most Russian military actions over the last 200 years.
I want to agree but your name makes me hesitate.
@@quentinhoward99
Elves deserve the right to be porked too
Damn succubi taking all the men
This really hasn't changed as of late
yet again, Russia has proven this statement correct.
Thats BS. Story about "horrendous losses" nothing but western propaganda. There are tons of fights and battles where Russian won having less men and much less casualties. But in the west everything is upside down and wrong casualties numbers wrong literally everything. Total propaganda. Its proven dozen of times when germans or french increase russian casualties like 2-3 times and everything just repeat it all the time for political propaganda.
Great example are Napoleonic wars WW1 and ww2.
In ww2 Russians lost less men per 1 killed german than USA, (1.3 USSR vs 1.6 USA) but in everyones mind on the west its like Russian lost gazillions and didnt care about soldiers and didnt kill much. which is just banana BS.
EVERY single general does care abput soldiers cause noone wants lose people and stay without army,.
Another MYTH about general winter or other excuses for europeans lost so many wars to Russians.
After that west is malding and repeat all BS again and again and cry about exuses why russians won so many times.
Wester (europeans) never accepted fact that Russians fought MUCH better in many cases on strategic or tactical level.
Just suvorov is example who won like 60 battles and didnt lose a sigle one and most times had less ppl than enemy. But when you start reading western sources of that time it all complete BS everytime CNN fake news for centuries.
And here I was worried the penguins wouldn't be a hit...
Even my wife laughed twice this episode and she is "Meh" about guns
No you didnt
I think the penguins would make a great t- shirt idea.
My 16 year old couldn't stop lapping... couldn't believe what he was seeing. But he understood everything... best of the best
@@troubledturtle2332 I second the request for a penguin bullet shirt!
I have quite a few Mosins including a sniper and Finnish variants. I guess I have been very fortunate as they all have parts that match (with Finnish being different or forced). The bolts all function like you would expect and all the Russian / Soviet versions have been through arsenal refurbishment. But, they function well whether they are cold or hot. They are durable and shoot good groups. The Finnish shoot really good groups. I haven't had the trouble that others have had, but then my Russian / Soviet versions were all made before WW2 or after. I know wartime production involved corners to be cut. To me, the bolts are like simple manual transmissions in a car, clunky and unrefined, but they work. Mauser, Enfield, Mannlicher, and Schmit Rubin (to name a few) all have better engineered bolts and receivers, but the rugged simplicity and basic functionality is what makes the Mosin Nagant what it is; a basic battle rifle that will function whether it's in the arctic or the tropics. I admire the weapon and it's design, but I really admire those other rifles I mentioned, too. It's not a competition for me, but all these rifles represent interesting history and a cool shooting experience.
Penguins??? I love this show. This is why history teachers like Othias shouldn't be potentially censored or shut down by TH-cam. Like the opening of Tales of the Gun said, The gun has played a critical role in history. An invention which has been praised and denounced, served hero and villain alike.
Villains or the deeds of villains shouldn't be allowed to control how history is taught. Keep up the great work Othias, Mae, and the whole C&Rsenal crew.
Over summer I managed an absolute score. A buddy said he had a mosin he was thinking of sale. Sight unseen I offered him my school laptop that I got when I graduated, it was a like $200 laptop. I offered it to him as trade, cause I was like oh a mosin, they’re cheap. Dude decided to accept offer and I finally got to see the rifle. Turns out it was a 1895 Finish Mosin.
1895? Wasn't Finnland a part of the Russian empire at the time?
@@alexeishayya-shirokov3603The Finnish never made mosins they bought or captured them from other countries so the rifle was made in 1895 before the finns got it
The time has come, and so have I.
I must be the luckiest Mosin Nagant owner in the world: Mine was made in 1928. Wood and metal in superb condition.. My bolt and trigger work fine, even on par with my Savage Axis and TC Compass modern rifles. As far as the hand rest placement, put on three layers of wool clothing and then your thickest and warmest winter coat. Then, take the Mosin and put it up to your shoulder. I live in upper Michigan and it has snowed in May. And I have shot this rifle in very cold weather. No lock ups ever. Deadly accurate at man sized targets at 200 yards. Oh, yes. I use modern, high quality lubricant and keep it meticulously clean. That's the secret. Love your video. Love May!
My God, the penguins are amazing! A weapon to end all wars!
a weapon to surpass metal gear
those penguins are WMD's
Weapons of mass distraction!!!
No penguins were harmed in the filming of this historical document....... I still want to hear that tune... .
Have you seen the penguin from Wallace and Gromit? That thing puts terror into the heart of men.
American soldiers from the post WWI Russia Expedition Forces around June1918 till March 1920 were armed with these rifles when they landed in Russia. The Minnesota and Michigan National Guard infantry regiments had more combat time than the average American combat divisions in Western Europe and they were armed with the Mosin-Nagant 1891s. They fought against the Russian Communist Bolsheviks in Archangel Russia guarding the railways along with White Russian and other Allied troops. This was a truly forgotten war that majority of Americans did not know about. The American soldiers were very unhappy not to be armed with their favorite M1903s or their M1917s which they had been trained on. The British were in command over all along with a committee of officers from nations like France, and Japan. The Allied troops were armed with their nation's service rifles but the Americans were forced to use the Mosin-Nagants. The American infantrymen made the rifles work and held their own during combat operations. The only good thing was ammunition resupply was not a problem because they had tons of Russian ammunition and got them off the dead Bolsheviks that they killed in combat. The Americans were better trained in this type of combat because it was frontier style fighting that American soldiers have done in the late 1800s and before. American soldiers were stationed in block houses along the railways with good defensive positions and did patrol around their perimeters and along the tracks. The Michigan and Minnesota Guardsmen nearly half of them were hunters and woodsmen. Some were Russian born immigrants or Finns who knew the Russian language in their ranks allowed them to fight on almost even terms. Aggressive reconnaissance patrolling done by American soldiers helped very much catching Bolshevik patrols by ambush to alert their positions and mount counter attacks. The Bolsheviks never fought troops like the Americans who were good marksmen and using American Indian style tactics despite being outnumbered and fighting in the forests of Siberia. Some American outpost were wiped out due to artillery and overwhelmed with massive waves of Red infantry attacking them. The US troops were pulled out when the Allies decided that trying to save the White Russians was hopeless and the Allies pulled out in 1920. American soldiers fought well with their Russian rifles issued to them despite their deficiencies and held their own in combat. Very interesting but forgotten part of American military history.
Sorry, but while your piece may contain a lot of actual history, you've made a big mistake. Three American Regiments were sent to Russia in 1917/1918. The Regular Army 23rd (?) and 31st from Hawaii were sent (literally) to Siberia to help the Czech's get home, and theoretically back into the fight. The other Regiment was the 339th Infantry Regiment of the 85th Division, and while it was given the nickname of Detroit's Own, it was a National Army (the World War One version of the modern Army Reserve) Division, and therefore Regiment, which means that the bulk of the Division was composed initially of draftees from Michigan. To the best of my knowledge, no National Guard personnel were sent to Russia, and especially from Minnesota.
David Briggs=Thank you for your correction. I remember being at Schofield Barracks in Hawaii the 27th INF "Wofhounds" which is part of the 25th Infantry Division. The 31st INF "Polar Bears" which was in the Philippines as the only American regiment in the Philippine Division before WWII. You have a better grasp of this really unknown part of American military involvement. Once again thanks.
Red Devil, You are right in that it was the 27th, and not the 23rd Infantry Regiment that was sent to Siberia. The 23rd was actually in France with the 2nd Infantry Division. And by the way, some former National Guard personnel MAY have actually found their way to Russia with the 339th, but those would have been (for the most part) former National Guard Enlisted Personnel who received commissions, or served as senior NCO's, since the 339th needed at least a few NCOs initially. But those few (if any) National Guard personnel who found their way to Russia were no longer with their old National Guard unit.
Yes, we remember your atrocities against the civilian population.
@@АлександрДрагович-ч2г ok, I'll bite.
And we all remember your close to 40 year occupation of Germany, Hungary, Austria, Romania, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, etc. Oh don't forget what "you" did to Poland. Compared to what, like 1 rumor you heard?
Please, for the love of God, whatever you do, include more of those penguins into the episodes, even if they're completely unrelated to the subject at hand.
Hail the penguins.
ALL HAIL THE HYPNO-PENGUIN...
Put them randomly on the rifles in the background
Mae, a Nagant, and "God Save The Tsar".... gotta love it! The first MN I fired (or saw) was a Chinese-made Type 53 carbine in N. Vietnamese/Viet Cong service, with the frog-sticker folding bayonet. I think it was a Chinese copy of the Soviet M44. Many years ago. Impressive fireball!
As you pointed out, the Mosin may not be one's FAVORITE rifle, but it is a sturdy, reliable rifle and would definitely do in a pinch!
Always a great day when a C&Rsenal Primer comes out!
My favorite channel.
Russian Empire: “We have no money for a new rifle!”
Also Russian Empire : “I’d like another 10 Faberge eggs, please”
from Japan! this bolt action rifle is my favorite one! Thank you for this video!
Mae, I'm so sorry about what you will have to go through with the mosin carbine in order for us to get the next episode. Thank you for your valiant service in the name of the channel. We shall never forget your dedication and determination in order for us to have these glorious videos.
Penguins!?! This show just became legendary.
1:17:37 "...so as we'll see from 1909 to 19010, a number of minor changes appear to deal with the recoil of that new, more powerful round."
Man. Mosin has been in service for a long time, huh.
Finally you couldn't run forever
Real talk
M1911 fans be like, _"Guess again, dude"_
Wow, I sort of feel like I just experienced the development of the Mosin in real time. Excellent, thanks for you and your crew's hard work.
Zzz-click, zzzz-click, zzz-click, zzz-click,....... WEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! What rifle was this episode about?...... Really though.... great work!
Hey Britishmuzzleloaders
Hello there!
I couldn't make it past these flightless birds! The multiple cans of lager id had consumed prior may have had something to do with it!
Ura!!
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
Combat Footage from Russia 2022 in Ukraine, they are using this for rear guard duty. I also saw a video of the Ukranian Army shooting a Maxim (maybe Vickers) but definitely Water cooled Maxim, cloth belt and all. WW1 weapons are being used TODAY!!!
Those MNs used in Ukraine are a newer breed (M91/30 and M91/48 variant). They were all WW2 surplus.
That MG was a Maxim Sokolov MG, another WW2 surplus.
Man theres some old stuff over there right now being fielded. You seen the dual Maxims or dual Vickers or whatever it was? They're setting 2 up on a mount with a red dot and running them both at once. I've heard of a quad mount but not seen it with my own eyes. You think those guys would've ever imagined their weapons would still be being deployed in today's day and age? Especially with modern weapons technology?
Took my grandfather's 1903 Springfield and shot it side by side with my buddy's Mosin. It was like putting a Porsche against a Volkswagen in a drag race. Mae saying you have to work the Mosin bolt like it owes you money is spot on.
I'm glad they didn't take you guys down, and that you were able to stay afloat monetarily to continue the channel.
I learned a LOT about the history of the Mosin-Nagant, so thank you.
I collect mosins. My absolute favorite because there are so many makes and models. Not my favorite shooter but my favorite all the same.
I know other rifles are hands down better than the Mosin, but I still even with all its shortcomings, I still have a soft spot for the rifle.
In your opinion, which variant of the moist nugget is the best quality?
@@anthonyhayes1267 If you want best quality, I suggest trying to find a PU sniper variant. They're rarer and more expensive, but very nice for mosins.
I love most surplus ww1-ww2 rifles, I just hate obsessive Mauser fans. (Looking at you Alex, of TFB, I'll never respect folks like him.)
Mosin guys are usually easy to get along with in my experience, but someone will surely say I'm biased, oh well.
If I was going for a "special" mosin, I'd buy a Tula Arsenal made one. My Izhevsk's suit me fine, that's just me though.
I love most surplus ww1-ww2 rifles, I just hate obsessive Mauser fans. (Looking at you Alex, of TFB, I'll never respect folks like him.)
Mosin guys are usually easy to get along with in my experience, but someone will surely say I'm biased, oh well.
If I was going for a "special" mosin, I'd buy a Tula Arsenal made one. My Izhevsk's suit me fine, that's just me though.
The algorithm thinks I need to watch this episode, obviously. It shows it to me several times a day.
I feel like I should just start commenting here every time youtube autoplays this video for me.
"shoot and miss and shoot and miss..."
The mosin nagant is like a cute coworker. Nice lines... a bit unpredictable... you could probably take it out and have a lot of fun, but you've heard the stories... and you know that in the end you won't want to be settling down with it.
"There we go... red penguin, that's what we want. Throw it on your back and go to war.".... best training film ever.
Well, you stick with it long enough and you get a Kalashnikov.
Good trade in my book.
Unless you're "Man of Steel".
JESUS RUSSIAN LAND HOLY AGAIN
I'd take the Mosin over Ms. Mauser, at least Mosin doesn't talk on and on about how "she's the greatest rifle ever made" every time you stop to chat.
Thanks
Some of those receivers still serve in Finnish defence forces as sniper rifles (7.62 tkiv 85)
Ah yes the 7.62x53mm. No i did not type that in wrong
I have a Finnish M1891 :)
Idiots keep trying to correct me on if Finnish 7.62x53mm exists or not, "clearly you mean 54R."
The argument always makes me laugh.
This is the episode that convinced me to become a paetron. I've been enjoying your content for a while now and I can't remember a single ad before, during or after one of your videos. The depth and extent of research done by the team is not to be taken for granted. Yt being a private company can flick this channel without providing rhyme or reason. I love the way Othias explains how this feature is different to the ones before in a manner of a good friend telling you about his new toy. It's less like a tutorial and more like a Saturday arvo over a beer. A then we get to play with the new toy with Mae, who always has a shit eating grin after firing! The T-Gewer in particular! My only complaint is that the videos are too long to wait for but Im also excited when they drop knowing they are delivered by people who's options I respect.
We appreciate the support. Our patrons allow us to produce this shiw fkr the world
Totally agree.
@@Candrsenal Please enable Persian subtitles for all your programs
Being a Patron, I see these a week early, so I go through this process:
> "New C&Rsenal! Awesome!"
> "Oh, wait, I've already seen this one, darn."
> "Screw it, I'll watch it again anyway!"
Wait what? We release to Patreon like 10 minutes early...
You know what? I got this confused with the special over on The Great War.
I guess things all run together after a while. Whoops.
I would watch it again if I had Time .
Brilliant! I waited on this one until I had time to really pay attention. The work you are doing here is truly amazing. Your channel is better than anything t.v. Has to offer. I just want to say that this is finally the first milsurp rifle that Mae hasn't smiled through firing. If that doesn't endear this rifle to history then I don't know what does. Please don't stop...love your films!
@24:57 best mechanic explanation i ever had
I have always regarded this as a historical gun show. Ian does a gun show. You guys have a larger ambit with the historical context so no, I don't see it as just a gun show. I've learned a lot about life and the times in the pre-1900 period and thank you. It is fascinating.
(in best yakov smirnov voice impersonation) in russian army, semi-pistol grip unnecessary... hand is frozen to wrist of stock
In Punishment Battalion we nail hand to stock.
cptreech kinky.....
Thank you for your informative video. I am a Mongolian. From the age of 16 I started to use mosin. At that time, there weren't many western rifles in Mongolia. I was so amazed to see exit wound of this bullet and its long range capabilities. Many times I have seen exit wound of 20 cms in diameter. The most amazing thing I have ever seen was my uncle used to hit animals at the range of 800-1000 meters with mosin without scope. I have also seen some hunters shoot with mosin like semi-auto rifles. They reload it unbelievable fast. I personally shoot really fast and I never seen cartridges jams. Army cartridges rapture very often, but it never jammed in the chamber. I agree that mosin too heave and long and it's bolt is hard to pull.
What I liked most about the Mosin is that I got three of them for $100. These were Chinese M53's but still a high power Rifle for cheap. I also got two Finnish M28's for $40 each. They aren't that cheap anymore though.
"Obviously I don't have enough penguins for the entire rifle."
PLEASE put this on a t shirt. Preferably with a bunch of tiny penguins trying to lift a Mosin.
Seconded, we all like some Weaponised Assault Penguins
My body and 55 gal drum of cosmoline is ready.
7.62 x 54 r don’t care what is in front of it, and it will win regardless what’s in front of it ya know
Forgotten Weapons sent me. Where has this channel been all my life? I love it!
glad to have you
This stresses to me how lucky I was that my first centerfire was a commercial 1898 Mauser with a set trigger.
Mine was Mosin and then I bought Argentine Mauser.
With all due deference to Bruno the penguins were the best visual explanation of a firearm I have ever seen.
It’s not my favorite rifle, but it was my first, and for that it will always have a special place in my heart.
Everytime I see the rifles in the episode and in the background I am filled with envy.
Thanks for posting this and increasing our knowledge and appreciation of firearms history.
Finally, the moist nugget, /k/ommandos rejoice.
Josh Callejas AVE NEX ALEA
Kent Allard All glory to the Murdercube!
I'm still lurking in various threads to see if othais will grace us with his literal shitposts.
+Rikkou511 Isn't there a video of him mocking /k/ommandos "jerking off to animu" while he himelf was "fingerfucking hot guns"?
Uh... Proabbly. He does like to tease with his unlisted videos. Such as the one where he shows mae the thread about them.
Great technological history lesson, as always. It's important to keep this educational show on.
In WWI the British brought a battle rifle, the Americans brought a target rifle, the Germans brought a hunting rifle and the Russians brought....a rifle.
That's all it needed to be really, for a regular infantryman at least.
And the Canadians brought a paperweight
And the Gurkhas brought really scary knives.
And the French brought a bad rifle.
@@andrewmoore7022 Zut alors! How could you say such things!? The French did not bring a bad rifle, they brought the single greatest yeeter of rifle grenades of the war!
A 91/30 Carbine shakes the ground your standing on and I LOVE IT!
GOD DAMNIT!!! I have to sleep! I will see this tomorrow. A wonderful birthday video for me though. :D
Sleep is massively over-rated...they finally got to the Mosin-Nagant! Which is more important to you? ;-)
Happy Birthday! The team got a pretty cool gift
Mosin Birthday to you! May bear lick you! Yes I had vodka
Happy Birthday :-)
Happy Birthday
In case I forgot to mention it, another excellent posting... very informative history lesson and very entertaining as well. Merry Christmas 2022, and Happy Yuletide to you and Mae!❄
Kudos for the "three liner". In Russia nobody knows this as Mosin, but everyone knows what a three-liner is
Not really, they call it "Vintovka Mosina". It's Nagant that they never mention 😂
The Soviets wanted a new rifle , but it had been pushed back , the tanks and planes were more urgent
When the SVT 38 was rejected by the Army , Stalin quipped " Well we are stuck with the old 3 lines for a bit longer "
then the war made any rifle a critical need
P.S the SVT slowly solved it's fault , the model 40 was way better
It's amazing, I hated history in high school, but I sit for hours listening to your insight into various subjects! Ha Guess that's old age!! LOL
I have a 1942 surplus 91/30 with all matching numbers and even bayonet. And at 100 yards I can hit 1 inch groups with open sights. I love my mosin, I thought the bolt was okay considering when it was made, but then I got my 1919 1903 Springfield and realized that...yeah...the mosin bolt leaves a lot to be desired lol. But I still love shooting it.
I have yearned for this episode since subscribing and was not disappointed. Thank you for the 102 minutes of gold.
You're almost at 100K! Congratulations!
A stellar presentation-Trotsky would be proud!
The Nugget finally has it's video, praise the /k/ube.
Jej jej
Ave nex alea
"The nugget finally has it is video...." I dont understand. Did you mean "its" as in "has its own?"
based
Nugget is a fine word to describe this weapon. I've owned mine for 15yrs. Straight shooter. Very accurate.
Oh so nice. My second 1+ hours video with Othais and Mae and loving it.
As I got to the end of the video, I could feel my blood pressure going up. I love my Mosin, and I wanted to defend it.
Then I remembered two things.
1) I have made a ton of modifications to it to make it a better shooter.
2) My rifle is a 91/30 that had a ton of modifications done to it BEFORE I ever laid hands on it.
I watched the vid early in the morning without a sufficient amount of caffeine in my system.
It is possible to love imperfect things.
Just ask my wife....
I can ring an 8" X 13" gong at 200 yds with it. So it's pretty accurate. And the bolt isn't all the "mushy, springy" that you describe. It was also made in 1939, not 1891.
It's 3 inches shorter than yours and it has started developing headspace issues. I am considering sending it to Mark at Anvil for some work.
phinfan1972 8x 13 @200 is pretty accurate?
GunFun ZS considering the gun was designed to hit a man-sized Target at 200 yards, I would say pegging basically a sheet of paper 5 out of 5 rounds is pretty good. Not to mention this is with iron sights, on a rifle that served at least one war, and probably other assignment since then. Have you ever looked down the sites of a Mosin after it's fired 10 or 15 rounds of 7.62 by 54R? The heat waves coming through your sight picture will mess up your sight picture.
You got to remember this is an almost 80 year old Mosin Nagant, this isn't a Remington 700.
Alway love the history behind the guns. Thank you and keep up the good work and research!
Moist Nugget is on C&Rsenal. Is this real life?
Is this just fantasy ?
Omar Hanbali Caught in a landslide
Oh, go on then...No escape from Reality....
cptreech Open your eyes
...and see [refrain]
I'm just a poor boy, ...
we are starving!!! we need more like this!!!!
I'm rewatching your old in depth stuff, but am starving for new!
"It's smart, doesn't mean it's good." Smekalka in a nutshell.
Best bedtime story, was out cold in 10 minutes. You are a lifesaver.
I own this gun for 2 reasons. 1 it is fun to shoot. And if you can get proficient with the crappy bolt action and a long creepy trigger pull, you will be halfway decent with any other gun. And 2, the history the same reason I own flintlocks. So I can get appreciation for what the people who went to war before me worked with.
smittie1911 shooting flintlocks well will make you a better shooter
Very true! But Flint Locks are pretty hard to shoot past 200 yards though.
smittie1911 oh yeah but why would shoot that far with one?
This is the best gun show history since History Channel Went Libtard and canceled all gun shows
Part of the reason for the rubbery looseness of the Mosin bolt probably lies in the bitter cold of the Russian winter. Russians know that everything shrinks and seizes in the winter, so a little extra play is generally a good idea.
It can also hit a scorching +40 Celsius in the summer in some parts of the country, namely in Volgograd (ex. Stalingrad) where it's basically 6 months of bitter cold and 6 months of scorching heat.
Now just imagine what this could do to any piece of metal, let alone a rifle bolt.
Probably the best video about this rifle I have seen. First time watching the channel and was so impressed that I subscribed and plan to check out your other videos.
"Uhh well this guys lazy" that penguin was trying his best , has camera shy
Dang.......that was a good watch. Excellent video
I'd love to see an episode on the development of the sks one day
Love the fact that im shooting this while listening to this
I can't believe this old girl still being used in combat. I've seen pictures of Luhansk People's Republic snipers carrying the Mosin-Nagant PU.
Oh my God I can't believe I missed this episode back when it was released. The penguins are ingenious, that was actually a great way to visualize the issue.
Classic joke about the Mosin Nagat:
M16 - Butt melts under the magnifying glass.
AK-47 - Under the magnifying glass you can still consider it working with Vietnamese mud instead of grease.
Mosin Nagat - Under the magnifying glass you can see the blood-soaked tree it came from
M16 - It breaks when dirty.
AK-47 - Works when dirty.
Mosin Nagat- There was not a clean moment when it entered the hands of troops in 1892.
M16 - Hundreds of moving parts fastened by dozens of bolts and screws.
AK-47 - A couple dozen moving parts held by a handful of rivets and the ugly seams of a drunken Russian welder.
Mosin Nagat - Three moving parts, two screws.
M16 - You're more likely to die than you will break this dashing rifle in hand-to-hand combat.
AK-47 - Your machine can be well fought in hand-to-hand.
Mosin Nagat - Your rifle is a classy spear with the ability to shoot.
M16 - If the bug breaks, you take the rifle to the factory under warranty.
AK-47- If the bug breaks, you buy a new one.
Mosin Nagat - If the bug breaks, you spin it a couple of turns further into the bolt.
M16 - More difficult to manufacture than some aircraft.
AK-47 - Used by countries that do not have money for airplanes.
Mosin Nagat - Used to shoot down the aircraft.
M16 - Favorite drink of the owner - whiskey.
AK-47 - Favorite drink of the owner - vodka.
Mosin Nagat- Favorite drink of the owner - brake fluid, fused on a frozen scrap.
M16 - Makes a small hole, neat according to the Geneva Convention.
AK-47 - Makes a big hole, sometimes tears off limbs, does not comply with the Geneva Convention.
Mosin Nagat - One of the reasons for the creation of the Geneva Convention.
M16 - Excellent shooting small rodents.
AK-47 - Excellent shooting enemies of the motherland.
Mosin Nagat- Excellent shooting through light armor.
M16 - Once in the river, it stops working.
AK-47 - Once in the river, it still shoots.
Mosin Nagat - Once in the river, it’s usually used as an oar.
M16 - Rifle-attached grenade launcher. heavy, but can put a grenade in the window for 200 meters.
AK-47 - If anything, you can throw a grenade from the rifle into the window with your hand.
Mosin Nagat- What grenade? Just go through the wall, the cartridge punches almost a meter of brick.
M16 - You can put on a muffler, and small cartridge does not give much noise.
AK-47 - In principle, you can put a on muffler, but it's better just to press enemies to the ground with continuous fire.
Mosin Nagat - What the fuck is the point of a muffler when after the first shot everything is deaf anyway?
M16 - The Weapons of Attack.
AK-47 - The Weapons of Defense.
Mosin Nagat - The Weapons of Victory!!!
Thank you othias and mae for making excellent(even on 3rd rewatch) content
Your videos are amazing! I do firearms history blogs on my Facebook page, and I refer to you for some of my research. You fill in so many gaps! Thank you for sharing this passion.
Great lesson. Thanx. There are many tales from WWII about that rifle.
Mauser rifles - Revolutionary bolt system, great hunter's rifle.
Lee Enfield - Very fast very smooth action.
Mosin Nagant - A cheap rifle back in the day.
Mosin Nagant rifles are nice, the wood on them is beautiful but that's all I can really say, Mosin Nagants were famous for being cheap surplus rifles with a good cartridge back when they were imported.
you guys are doing a great job! Pleasure to watch.
I like the Mosin, I like how rough it looks and it feels. my 91/30 is actually the most accurate bolt action rifle in my collection.
really? what rifles do you have in your collection? thanks
To be fair that probably doesn't speak to the accuracy of your mosin, but more so says how bad your other guns are.
@@quentinhoward99 my guns aren't shot to shit, if that's what you're implying. I have acquired (many) other milsurp rifles that are more accurate on paper since then, but when want to make good groups (relatively speaking, those aren't bench rest rifles), I still come back to the good ol' Mosin. I guess i got used to it.
@@lefr33man Look I don't mean to be rude but unless it's been re-barreled or is a Finnish example I just don't think I can believe that. Out of the factory sniper qualified examples with pu scopes can't hold a group better than 3 moa on the best of days and that is a well established fact. Now if it has been re-barreled or is a Finnish example then feel free to correct me.
@@quentinhoward99 Nope, regular 91/30 from 1943. As I said just before, I'm aware there are better shooters out there. I just shoot best with my Mosin. it falls naturally in my hands, the front sight has the ideal shape and size for me, and the trigger is pretty good on mine (I know there are mosins with horrible triggers out there), and handloading for it is easy.
No offense, but this episode was a 10/10 before the penguins and after you brought them out it was a uhhhhh... well, numbers cannot describe such a beautiful work of art
I love the Mosin almost as much as the Lee Enfield. Really underrated precision, mine shoots fantastic groups.
Really depends on luck of the draw. Mine can shoot 3-4 moa usually, but Ive heard about 5s, 6s, and 2s
Yo dude love your videos!! Going to watch every single one of them!