All Religions Are Paths to God? - Orthodox Response to Pope Francis, Trent Horn & Taylor Marshall
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- Fr. Peter Heers and Constantine Zalalas discuss the recent public statements by Pope Francis.
"All religions are paths to reach God. They are-to make a comparison-like different languages, different dialects, to get there. But God is God for everyone. If you start to fight saying 'my religion is more important than yours, mine is true and yours isn't', where will this lead us? There is only one God, and each of us has a language to arrive at God. Some are Sheik, Muslim, Hindu, Christians; they are different ways to God."
- Pope Francis, September 13th, 2024
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Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on us.
Catholic Apologetics 101:
1. The pope didn't actually say that.
2. If he did, it doesn't change anything.
3. If it does, it's not important.
4. If it is, it's not the Pope's fault.
Exactly 🤣🤣🤣
If it's not a binding teaching it doesn't matter what he says, No different than you or me giving our opinion 🤷
@@Madman-2023 at least he should apologise what he said.
@nastjavk No he doesn't nobody apologizes when they speak out of their knowledge until they are informed of their errors. The pope isn't completely wrong everyone's life/path will one day lead to God but someone people never choose God when the right time comes
Seems to be the same pattern among ‘Orthobros’ whenever an Orthodox patriarch says anything similar.
Pope Francis said all religions lead to God but he didn't say salvation in all religion or the salvation from Jesus Christ is present in all religion. People missinterpret his words because he is the Pope and devil creates oppertunities to attack catholic church.
God creates every one and every thing irrespective of color, race,sex etc... All religions are leading to God, the truth which can't be combrehened to human mind. God the Father can be referer to it. The attributes of God in all religion are the same in general. If we deny this truth we deny that there are either two Gods or non christians are the creation of devil.
Christianity differes from them with Jesus Christ who incarnated in human form and brought forth salvation from sin and death by His crusifiction, death, burial and resurrection.
If one doesn't have faith in God how he is thinking of his salvation. First stage is to know God and then know the way to reach this God. There comes Jesus as the only one mediator between God and humanity.
No. Only through Christianity you come to God. Through Jesus Christ. Period. Jesus was clear on this.
Other religions lead to other gods.. Demons. Sadly.
Orthodox ethos is more of a rage baiter than a theologian. Unsubscribe and call American orthodox what they are, larping dorks who picked up a copy of DTTW when they found out there's no girls in black metal.
@@tjdavis1196It seems from those online that traditional RCism is pretty larpy.
It is not about religions leading to God. It is about the individual's path to God.
If you tell someone in another religion all religions lead to god.... and if that someone feels like they found god in their current religion (any faith other than believing in christ)....why would they search out christ, when they feel as if they found according to them the true god?
You can't twist something so straightforward, and turn it into positive for Christianity, when you just told muslims, Rabbinic jews they don't need christ just believe one god..... and this ain't nothing new it's in the catechism aswell.
The pope just told the world, you don't need christ you are fine where you are....
Stop making excuses for a bold face lie..........
The whole world needs christ he died for everyone.......
@@茶色Aaron Everybody will be judged on the good and the bad they have done in their life.
There is one Path, not trillions.
@@LadyMarianot everyone is starting out from the same place. So how can there be one path.
So glad I left the Roman Catholic Church.
Glory to God.☦️
Blasphemy!!!
Blasphemy is when you profess to be a Christian, and do not exemplify the teachings in your life. When you become judgmental of others, when you withhold love and kindness, when you are niggardly, hateful, jealous, covetous, envious, and so many other aspects. Keep that in mind. That is when you blaspheme the good Lord.
The Lord himself gave us very few hints how to know where His church is: He promised to never leave His church (therefore it must be a historical one). And: by their fruits you shall know them (matthew 7:20). After comparing over a year the life of "saints" from different denominations the most Christ-like and spiritual saints I found within the Orthodox church. Just to look at the contemporary saints one will easily recognize that the Orthodox Church is still very very active and fruitful in producing great saints, holy ascetics and theologians. If someone really wants to become holy and struggle with his whole being for that, he will choose the best way to holiness. Its so obvious. Also one of the reason why the former famous Roman catholic theologian and hermit Gabriel Bunge converted to Orthodox Church. He said the most spiritual person he met in Orthodox Church was dimensions (!) above the most spiritual person he ever met within the Roman Catholic church.
I have met Father Gabriel personally, his Hermitage Is close to me, He helped me in becoming orthodox he's a great elder. And I also think I saw him do a miracle
John Henry Newman (1801-1890) observed that “to be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant”, and so, he left Anglicanism and embraced Roman Catholicism… Yet, it must be emphasized that to be even deeper in history is to cease to be Roman Catholic. The Church began in the Holy Land of the Bible, in the East. All are invited to embrace Orthodox Christianity, which as Saint Athanasius of Alexandria (373) observed, is “what Christ taught, the Apostles preached, and the Holy Fathers kept”, with great care and devotion, even to this very day. Investigate, study, visit an Orthodox Church or Monastery, talk with a priest, deacon, or monk, and then begin to embrace the Orthodox Christian Faith with all your heart, mind, strength, and soul… Your only regret may be that you waited so long to do so…
If only Fr. Seraphim Rose was still here today to respond to the Popes blasphemy. He wrote a book in 1975 saying this would happen.
Exactly. He foresaw everything in details.
I feel like if the pope just kept his infallibility turned on we could avoid all of this
It has a cooldown, can only use it once a week unless he buys the ex cathedra battlepass
😂
@@joshua-l6m LOL
😂😂😂
PostModernism with its polyvalence is an anathema for Christians. The Pope through his speeches and praxis ( remember Pachamama rituals in churches of Rome ) has embraced postmodernism whilst pushing the New Testament aside. If we live the words of the Holy Bible, through God’s Grace, we have a duty to share those Holy words in our evangelism instead of speaking off the cuff with postmodern “please all” pluralism. May our Lord protect the God- fearing Roman Catholic flock from such shepherds and have mercy on us all.
Flee to Orthodoxy.
So Catholic doctrine boils down to the teaching that the Pope is the infallible Vicar of Christ on Earth…except when he isn’t.
“Infallibility is not given to the Roman Pontiff as a private person, but inasmuch as he fulfils the office of pastor and teacher of all Christians. He also does not exercise it as having authority in himself and by himself, but ‘by his supreme apostolic authority’ and ‘by the divine assistance promised to him in Blessed Peter.’ Finally, he does not possess it as if he could dispose of it or count on it in every circumstance, but only ‘when he speaks from the chair,’ and only in a doctrinal field limited to the truths of faith and morals and those closely connected with them...." Pope John Paul II
Incorrect
@@johnf2023that’s a nice excuse for pope alexander VI’s orgies and all but when pope Stephen VI exhumed his dead predecessor for a mock trial and declared his papacy null does that mean Formosus never was anointed by the holy spirit in the first place despite being pope? Or did the holy spirit accuse it’s previous host of illegitimacy? Maybe, just maybe the holy spirit does not particularly care who your men in funny hats choose to wear the bigger funny hat.
@@johnf2023
Was this stated before or after he venerated a Koran and prayed towards Mecca in a Mosque?
Hasn’t Roman Catholicism been outside the Body of Christ ever since they exchanged the Holy Spirit as the authority over Truth and error with an Individual, The Pope? And, won’t Pope Francis’ controversies just become accepted overtime just as every Roman Catholic heresy, many arguably historically worse, as their is no earthy authority over him that can challenge, rebuke or remove him from the Throne of St. Peter or his Position as Vicar of Christ?
Not shocking considering his actions over the years.
This video and subject pairs very well with Fr. Seraphim Rose’s “Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future.”
So close to 100k subs!!! Amazing!!
2:27:26 I’ve actually heard some people with online testimonies say that attending an Orthodox wedding is what brought them into Orthodoxy.
The time has come to uphold the 15 canon of the second synod of the Holy Fotios the great
It's time to return to the one Holy catholic Apostolic Church of the Holy Fathers and the Ecumenical council's decision
Four Spanish Bishops considered that his attitude are heretic
I read this book, It was excellent " My Exodus from Roman Catholicism"!
Incredible stream. Everybody should watch this.
Costas Zalalas is the Orthodox hero America deserves
He speaks Protestantism by saying " God is God FOR all, as if by Choice, when God is God OF all,
I am Catholic. I am distraught at the heresy of Francis. Where do I go? How can I turn to the Orthodox Church if they join with Francis.
Check out orthodoxy
The EP might join with Francis but that doesn’t mean the entire Orthodox Church will. Just like with the false Council of Florence, the Orthodox Patriarchs and laity will reject ecumenism and protect Orthodoxy from heresy.
Remeber Bartholemow is only one Patriarch, and not whole of Orthodoxy.
@@thatwhitewolf5222 So, shop around?
@@shaunmulligan8717
I put hope in all Patriarchs who is loyal to Orthodoxy
"聖經"的教理，排在儒道釋後面，^東方人比較溫和，容易接受深法^
宇宙中有"十種法界"：
「佛法界、菩薩法界、緣覺法界、阿羅漢法界、天道法界、人道法界、阿修羅道法界、畜生道法界、餓鬼道法界、地獄道法界。」
一，諸佛法界：佛乃無上正等正覺的境界，而且是自覺覺他覺行圓滿的聖者，由菩薩修行，經三大阿僧祇劫，才能成佛。成佛不只釋迦如來，如彌陀、藥師、東西南北，四維上下，十方佛土，過去、現在、未來三世諸佛等，數不盡的佛。(眾生皆有佛性，只因分別妄想,而不能證得。)
二，菩薩法界：菩薩，能自覺又能覺一切有情眾生，乃修無上菩提，六度萬行，所成就的聖者，如觀音、勢至、地藏、文殊、普賢、彌勒菩薩等，十方三世一切大菩薩，再修就要成佛了，因廣度眾生，故謂之「大乘」。
三，緣覺法界：為入涅槃，修十二因緣之行，斷盡無明，了脫生死，若生不逢佛世，但見飛花落葉，萬法生滅，而悟無常入道者為「獨覺」，又名「緣覺」行者，修到最高，名「辟支佛」，是在三乘之"中位"，故名「中乘」。
四，聲聞法界：聞佛說法，或依經教之四聖諦～苦、集、滅、道，知世間是苦海，三界如火宅，因此修行，得證「涅槃」。修時須經過「須陀洹果」，「斯陀含果」，「阿那含果」，最後才到「阿羅漢果」，雖出三界，具諸神通，因不發心度人，故謂之「小乘」。
五，天道法界：在世間行上品十善，孝敬父母，尊師重道，廣行布施，一切善德，兼修禪定，死後分別得生諸天，受淨妙樂，但福盡乃墮。天主，在三界内，略說「欲界」有六天，「色界」有四種禪天，「無色界」有四天；廣說，更有許多天，因諸天上，不如佛國圓滿究竟，故佛教徒眾，多願往生佛國淨土，少願生天。
六，人間法界：凡持五戒，行中品十善者，多生人間，人類為學佛之重心，如修善證道，上可得四聖之果，及生天福報；如不修行，甚且作惡者，下墮三塗惡道，欲保人身，已不容易，所謂「人身難得」，此身不向今生度，更待何生度此身？
七，修羅法界：阿修羅乃修下品十善，得自在神通之力，非人非天，重色欲，多妒忌，好鬥爭，男醜女美，住於須彌山之北，大海之下，有阿修羅宮殿。若天或人或畜生界，有人愛發瞋恨鬥爭者，乃是此道轉來。
八，畜生法界：生前犯下品五逆十惡者，性特愚痴，有胎卵濕化四種生，水陸空行，鳥獸蟲魚，範圍之廣，種類繁多，不勝細舉。
九，鬼類法界：生前犯中品五逆十惡，貪嫉而不肯布施，死後為鬼，因感饑渴，縱有飲食，亦難下咽，此乃餓鬼。鬼類甚多，有些福德鬼神(鬼神屬鬼法界，種類有：有財鬼、無財鬼、針咽鬼、大廮鬼、燄口鬼、臭毛鬼等。)為人身時，雖信佛教，而稍有善德，然不知修習佛法，死後多為城隍土地，精靈神鬼，亦有人祭祀，此為鬼福，世人稱為拜神，但陰冥之苦，欲脫困難。
十，地獄法界：此乃生前犯上品五逆十惡，罪業深重所感之苦報，有大寒地獄、大熱地獄、刀山地獄、油鍋地獄、合山地獄、飛刀地獄、劍樹地獄等，不勝枚舉。大概為十八大地獄，千千中地獄，萬萬小地獄，乃至無間地獄，皆因眾生業感所成，眾生作惡無量，地獄亦有無量。鬼道與地獄道，如人道之刑獄。故此奉勸世人「諸惡莫作，眾善奉行」。
(以下這段經文看得懂的人.才可以說基督教第一)
【諸佛如來不捨一切諸眾生故。是故，大慧！菩薩一闡提常不入涅槃。】
《入楞伽經》卷二
「復次，大慧！諸聲聞、辟支佛畏生死妄想苦而求涅槃，不知世間涅槃無差別故，分別一切法與非法而滅諸根，不取未來境界，妄取以為涅槃，不知內身證修行法故，不知阿梨耶識轉故。大慧！是故彼愚痴人說有三乘法，而不能知唯心相滅得寂靜法；是故彼無智愚痴人，不知過去、未來、現在諸佛如來、應、正徧知自心見境界故，執著外心境界故。是故，大慧！彼愚痴人於世間生死輪迴中常轉不住。」
「復次，大慧！過去'未來、現在一切諸佛皆說諸法不生，何以故？謂自心見有無法故，若離有無諸法不生故。是故，大慧！一切法不生。大慧！一切法如兔角、驢駝角等。大慧！愚痴凡夫妄想分別，分別諸法，是故，一切諸法不生。大慧！一切諸法自體相不生，是內身證聖智境界故，非諸凡夫自體分別二境界故。大慧！是阿梨耶識，身資生器世間去來自體相故，見能取所取轉故，諸凡夫墮於生、住、滅二相心故，分別諸法生有無故。大慧！汝應知如是法故。」
「復次，大慧！我說五種乘性證法，何等為五？一者聲聞乘性證法，二者辟支佛乘性證法，三者如來乘性證法，四者不定乘性證法，五者無性證法。」
「大慧！何者聲聞乘性證法？謂說陰界入法故，說自相同相證智法故，彼身毛孔熙怡欣悅，樂修相智不修因緣不相離相故。大慧！是名聲聞乘性證法故。彼聲聞人邪見證智，離起麤煩惱，不離無明熏習煩惱，見己身證相，謂初地中乃至五地、六地離諸煩惱，同己所離故，熏習無明煩惱故，墮不思議變易死故，而作是言：「我生己盡，梵行已立，所作已辦，不受後有。」如是等入人無我乃至生心，以為得涅槃故。大慧！復有餘外道求證涅槃，而作是言：「覺知我、人、眾、壽命、作者、受者、丈夫。」以為涅槃。大慧！復有餘外道，見一切諸法依因而有，生涅槃心故。大慧！彼諸外道無涅槃解脫，以不見法無我故，大慧！是名聲聞乘外道性，於非離處而生離想。大慧！汝應轉此邪見修行如實行故。」
「大慧！何者辟支佛乘性證法？謂聞說緣覺證法，舉身毛豎悲泣流淚。不樂憒鬧故，觀察諸因緣法故，不著諸因緣法故，聞說自身種種神通，若離若合種種變化，其心隨入故。大慧！是名緣覺乘性證法，汝當應知隨順緣覺說。」
「大慧！何者如來乘性證法？大慧！如來乘性證法有四種，何等為四？一者證實法性，二者離實法證性，三者自身內證聖智性，四者外諸國土勝妙莊嚴證法性。大慧！若聞說此一一法時，但阿梨耶心見外身所依資生器世間不可思議境界，不驚、不怖、不畏者。大慧！當知是證如來乘性人。大慧！是名如來乘性證法人相。」
「大慧！何者不定乘性證法？大慧！若人聞說此三種法，於一一中有所樂者隨順為說。大慧！說三乘者為發起修行地故，說諸性差別非究竟地，為欲建立畢竟能取寂靜之地故。大慧！彼三種人離煩惱障熏習得清淨故，見法無我得三昧樂行故，聲聞、緣覺畢竟證得如來法身故。」
爾時，世尊重說偈言：
逆流修無漏，
往來及不還，
應供阿羅漢，
是等心亂惑。
我說於三乘，
一乘及非乘，
諸聖如實解，
凡夫不能知。
第一義法門，
遠離於二教，
建立於三乘，
為住寂靜處。
諸禪及無量，
無色三摩提，
無想定滅盡，
亦皆心中無。
「大慧！何者無性乘？謂一闡提。大慧！一闡提者無涅槃性，何以故？於解脫中不生信心，不入涅槃。大慧！一闡提者有二種，何等為二？一者焚燒一切善根，二者憐憫一切眾生，作盡一切眾生界願。大慧！云何焚燒一切善根？謂謗菩薩藏作如是言：「彼非隨順修多羅、毗尼解脫說。」捨諸善根，是故不得涅槃。大慧！憐憫眾生作盡眾生界願者，是為菩薩。大慧！菩薩方便作願：「若諸眾生不入涅槃者，我亦不入涅槃。」是故菩薩摩訶薩不入涅槃。大慧！是名二種一闡提無涅槃性。以是義故，決定取一闡提行。」
大慧菩薩白佛言：「世尊！此二種一闡提，何等一闡提常不入涅槃？」佛告大慧：「菩薩摩訶薩一闡提常不入涅槃，何以故？以能善知一切諸法本來涅槃，是故不入涅槃，非捨一切善根闡提。何以故？大慧！彼捨一切善根闡提，若值諸佛善知識等，發菩薩心生諸善根便證涅槃。何以故？大慧！諸佛如來不捨一切諸眾生故。是故，大慧！菩薩一闡提常不入涅槃。」
It's interesting how much of the time Protestants and Catholics argue a lot about their respective faiths but this time.. . we're united in our common beliefs about Christianity....
Pope Francis needs our prayers..
The United States needs our prayers as well as the world...
It would be so great to have Dr. Taylor Marshal on with Fr. Peter. I'm an Orthodox fan of both men.
Dialogue with Brian Holdsworth
Brian:
"Dogma is merely teaching from a competent authority. We all accept dogmas in some way in our lives because 99% of what we know has been relayed to us and accepted without first hand verification. To expect everything to be confirmed through experimentation, observation, or high standards of proof would require you to know very very little. That's not courage. That's just a refusal to trust - which is motivated by fear. That's what is cowardly. It takes courage to trust others who are put in a position of authority over you - which is a necessary thing. Parents, teachers, officials, are all necessary and our participation in recognizing their necessary authority is also necessary. Refusing to do so doesn't lead to an increase of freedom. It leads to chaos and disorder. I'm just being consistent in recognizing that necessity and the reconciling myself to finding the kind of authority I can trust. It starts with God and what he has revealed and then it leads to those he has entrusted in seats of authority to protect and transmit what has been revealed. With that, I arrive at dogma and I'm happy to submit to it because that is where true freedom lies - not in the blindness of my own narrow and limited vision of the world - but one expanded by centuries of thinkers all contributing to a shared vision."
Dear Brian,
Being a follower is fine, but being a blind follower? Not so much. Any dogma automatically turns you into a blind follower. You stop questioning, stop inquiring. We are scientists. Imagine if science was rooted in dogma! We’d still be living in caves, trying to figure out how to make fire. Scientists go out of their way to prove their theories wrong. That’s the attitude of humility. That’s a deeply religious attitude. True science is a profoundly religious enterprise.
Don’t seek wisdom in words that are carved in stone. Seek wisdom that’s beyond words. The words of Pope Francis are that kind of wisdom. Your phenomenal intellect can never grasp this, but your warm heart can, and will. We are not Catholics. We are not followers of any dogma-religious or secular. We don’t lean on anything. We stand on our own feet. But it feels good to have Pope Francis, who just pulled the rug from underneath Catholic dogma, on our side.
Find the courage to give up the idea that you already have wisdom, that you already possess wisdom-because that’s what dogma is-and seek wisdom in questioning everything, just as Pope Francis does. There is no way to get closer to God than that. In the end, that’s what true religion is-it’s your inquiring open mind. Without it, all scriptures are dead, and all beliefs are just poison. As you know, Jesus questioned everything and relentlessly challenged dogma, perhaps more than anyone else in history! He leveled the dogma of the Old Testament! Ultimately, he was crucified for confronting and demolishing dogma.
That’s what true Christianity is: not to sell your soul, creating an agreement reality that can no longer be questioned, no matter how much pain and suffering it causes to millions of people. It’s not sacrificing your conscience and the human dignity of a free thinker, creating this most disgusting invention of the human mind-dogma, the blind conviction that’s at the roots of all human misery and all wars. The sense of purpose and belonging must be derived only from the truth and the truth alone. Or to put it better: from the absence of falsehood, the absence of lies. We grew up in communist Russia and theocratic Iran, in societies devastated by dogma. But there is no difference between communist dogma, religious dogma, or atheistic dogma. All of them are just different forms of idol worshiping. The problem with dogma is not its content, but its existence.
“Sabbath for men, not men for Sabbath.” That’s the essential message of Jesus. This now is the message of the brave and unyielding Pope Francis. The message is: Beliefs are what you die for. Faith is what you live for. We pray that he won’t be crucified for it like Jesus was.
Directly opposed to Biblical teaching . Who do we listen to ? The Lord Jesus . ❤
St. Paul said all know God so no one have any excuse. If all know God, all must arrive at the thought of God in his mind. So, everyone is already in the path to seek God because that is innate ability. If the Gospel is not preached to the end of the world, we just keep it to ourselves. The Church see each individual's capacity for God since God is the author of life. Each human person should have a chance to hear the Gospel. Despite those who prevent the Gospel to be preached but we all need to bring it to others in some way, if not by teaching so be it by praying and doing works of mercy.
If jesus christ isnt working somehow in all religions, how does that square with the fact that he meets us where we are? Asking father or konstantin specifically but feel free to give me any thoughts you have, too
The Orthodox Christians believe in the Holy Trinity: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit ( the 3rd Person of the Holy Trinity) is in all places and fillest all things. "The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”(John 3:8).
" However, Lord Jesus Christ (the 2nd Person of the Holy Trinity) is God Incarnated . And God became man in a specific place and time ( not "all over the place") and He founded His Church in a specific place and time ( in Jerusalem on the Pentecost day). And He established the Eucharist in His Church. So we can only find the fullness of Truth and all the Sacraments necessary for our salvation in the Church of Christ - the Orthodox Church. One can be fished out from the waters of paganism, atheist, heresy , etc. by the Holy Spirit. But then one has to go further and become a member of the Body of Christ - the Church, in order to be saved.
Salvation is in the Orthodox Faith only ❤❤❤
The Pope and Bartolomeus of Constantinople want to celebrate the next Easter together...and this is heresy 👹
GODSPEED ❤
@@Kitiwake Is an action against GOD ( BLASPHEMY, MOCKERY against The Creator ).
Brother, while I do believe that the Orthodox faith is the path to salvation, let us not forget that the Holy Spirit will work in His will.
@@Greyarq GOD works in misterious ways we can't understand/comprehend. He can wipe out the Earth in a blink of an eye...like the Sodom and Gomora.
“A House divided cannot stand” and after 2000 years the Catholic Church remains One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church - 4 marks of the Church Jesus instituted. Praying for conversion of poor sinners 🙏🏻. Our Lady of Fatima pray for us 🙏🏻
@@jacintodesousa59 catholicism isn't Christianity, friend.
Fr Peter and Constantine are such an amazing combo.
According to heretic Pope Francis we can remove Jesus christ from our holy Alter and we can replace with Buddha , Krishna or Allah and pray to these false Gods 😮
The main theory of Bartholomew is this in the title. Why you follow him?
ΟΧΙ...IT MEANS"NO" IN GREEK ...Ειμαι ευλογημενη που υπαρχω και σημερα!Δοξα τω Θεο!
Russian Orthodoxy is absolutely not the path to God in Ukraine! Oh, and Ehtiopian Orthodox is not a route in Eritrea, and, is OCA a route outside the lower 48?
Orthodoxy was a path to God in Ukraine, unfortunately they banned their UKRAINIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH- bet you didn’t know that, thank me later
Pope Francis has walked this back now - he erred
sauce?
Thanks for the video and discussions ! Just a detail : the quote by Ignatius of Loyola is not really accurate. I checked in my edition of the 'Spiritual Exercises', and the passage goes like this (I translate from French the "definitive text" of 1548) : “Finally, in order to be in perfect accord and conformity with the catholic Church, if it should define that is black what seems to our own eyes to be white, we must declare in the same way that it is black. For we must believe without any hesitation that the Spirit of our Lord Jesus-Christ and [the Spirit] of the orthodox Church - His Bride - is identical, [this Spirit] by whom we are directed and guided unto salvation ; and that it is the same God who erstwhile taught the precepts of the Decalogue and who teaches and guides nowadays the hierarchical Church.” As an Orthodox Christian, I do not see much problems with this, given that here the divine authority is said to come from "the catholic Church" as a whole, also called here "orthodox Church" and "hierarchical Church" (= the bishopric of the Church), not solely or exclusively from "the superior authorities in Rome"... I'm not a fan of the Jesuits, but let's not falsify anything only to make a point.
This is quite different. Is it possible that the quote is from elsewhere in his writings?
@@pah9730 What I translated is the "Rule 13" referenced in the stream, from the final edition of 1548 (and we can still recognize the passage with the comparison of black and white). Unfortunately I cannot check the previous editions to see if it was phrased differently.
He poşete 666 setn guy
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THANK YOU as always!!!
@@OrthodoxEthos I can't repay what I owe you
„1. In assessing Our duty and the situation now prevailing, We have been weighed upon by the thought that a matter of this kind [i.e. error in respect of the Faith] is so grave and so dangerous that the Roman Pontiff, who is the representative upon earth of God and our God and Lord Jesus Christ, who holds the fulness of power over peoples and kingdoms, who may judge all and be judged by none in this world, may nonetheless be contradicted if he be found to have deviated from the Faith.“
Pope Paul IV in his famous bull Cum ex apostolatus officio. The popes have never preached blind obedience to themselves.
Not in the Catholic Church, No salvation.
not according to the Pope
@@noahjohnson2611 Yeah, well he is wrong.
Began in the renaissance with Mirandola Pico way before Vatican 1 and 2. The Church of Rome is similar to Phaoronic Egypt and its “mysteries”. “The Occult Renaissance Church of Rome” Michael Hoffman lays it all out.
Why Constantine doesn't want to address the old calendarist question?
Wouldn't the new calendars be in Schism because they're the ones that deviated and the true orthodox just remained and didn't change. They didn't create their own church but just remained and called themselves as true orthodox because they're the original version? Why wasn't a council called by all the orthodox that didn't want to change?
Thank you.
1:01:44 I think we tuned in to see if Jews , Muslims and protestants are worshipping the same God or not. I could care less about all the Vatican 2 stuff. Could you do a video on whether or Jews protestants and Orthodox and Muslim are worshipping the same God ?
Protestants are committed to "In Christ Alone" (true Protestants) and the Solas. Agree or not with the Protestant doctrinal system - you will never call true protestants heretics as we acknowledge Jesus Christ as the only way to salvation.
@@jjjordan9296They are still called heterodox.
why the RC seems crazy? The Holy Roman Catholic Church of the Latin Rite is becoming catholic, new catholic thus shedding the Latin Rite culture just as we did in 1054 schism with Orthodox East. My thoughts, my responsibility. This may be bait and switch situation ethics.
multumim!
Roman Catholic here...invite Trent or Marshall and discuss these things with them. We view these times as the Church enduring a passion. Thanks 🙏
R.c. Is a heresy, can you make an effort and grasp that? Don't you understand that roman catholicism departure was the beginning of the end, the supreme apostasy since 1054? Read the book Two Paths by Michael Whelton for starters. Begin loving truth. If you only knew how far away r.c is... Thinking that it's "the church", God forbid, I prefer not to exist if man and God were what they teach.
@@Kitiwake …!!!…. But to accept this pope is to deny Christ. Which is worse?
@@visancristian8450 friend, the rc 'church' is heretical, but mainly because it mandates sin -- as all sunday churches do. you wrote about to 'Begin loving truth.' - notice Psalm 119:142, 151 -- His Law/Ten Commandments ARE Truth.
now notice Ex 20:8-11, showing us that the Lord's day is the 7th day Sabbath, not sun worship day.
thanks for reading, Sir.
@@pah9730 to accept any 'pope' is to deny Christ!
@@tony1685 your understanding is flawed. Sunday is the day that the Lord Jesus resurrected and called the Lord’s Day. Thus Christians celebrate the Holy Eucharist on Sunday
Click bating Catholics I see. How sad.
Even if Peter denies Christ and Judas delivers Him with a kiss, we stay faithful by the grace of God.
The Church has had anti-popes before. The Church goes on guided by the Holy Spirit and his saints doing battle.
VIVA CRISTO REY!
The term ex cathedra is a Latin phrase meaning “from the chair.” In Catholic theology, it refers to the Pope’s authority to make infallible statements on matters of faith and morals when he speaks in his official capacity as the universal shepherd of the Church. This concept is rooted in the belief that the Pope, when speaking ex cathedra, is guided by the Holy Spirit and thus preserved from error.
Ex-cathedra is rarely used.
The doctrine of papal infallibility, which includes ex cathedra statements, was formally defined during the First Vatican Council in 1870. An example of an ex-cathedra statement is the declaration of the Assumption of Mary by Pope Pius XII in 1950.
Not all Catholics are Roman Catholics. There are Eastern Catholics that have their own Patriarch such as Maronites, in modern day Lebanon and Syria, the followers of St. Maron from the 400s from Antioch. Chardean Catholics from Iraq, Syriac Catholic etc. They all have their own Patriarch.
We study the church fathers from the Middle East such as St. Ephraim, St. Isaac the Syrian, St. John Chrisostum etc.
You still accept the papacy and he is still the principal for your church, since you accept the Vatican councils. Your church is heretical suddenly.
If you don’t have the Orthodox Faith, the rite is not going to help. If you follow and obey the pope, you must blindly obey him and listen to whatever he says as words from Christ himself. This is what Vatican I teaches. Even in his ordinary teaching. You must obey. Blindly.
Of course, he will lead you to perdition if you do so.
That’s why you must abandon the pope and Vatican one Catholicism if you want to be Orthodox.
A distinction without a difference.
@@Orthobro33 Yes we pray for the Pope, but we don't accept every heretical statement that comes out of Rome. We will never ever bless homosexuals ! Our patriarch will be murdered by his own people if he mandates this. We follow the Patriarch.
@@pah9730the Eastern Catholic Churches are autonomous.
“Father” Peter, repent! Thy heresies lead souls to perdition. Reject falsehoods or face eternal fire for dividing Christ’s true Church!
Unity is Destruction of Union with God!!!
So in other words unity is destruction of unity. Makes sense.
@@Christianity_and_PerennialismReread his comment lol, it's quite apparent what he means.
@@Christianity_and_Perennialism Christians (meaning Orthodox Christians) are called to unite with God in this life. Not to man made unions.
@@GhibaGigi-v3v ‘uniting with God’ isn’t the result of studying theology. The average Orthodox Christian doesn’t even understand Orthodox theology.
@@Christianity_and_Perennialism You obviously don't know much about Orthodox Christianity. Let alone understand it.
Our Lady of La Salette is a Marian apparition reported by two French children, in France, in 1846. Our Lady told the children that Rome will lose the faith. Sadly to say, most of our Lady's apparitions are for the Roman Catholic Church.
BUT! Our Lady used the term "Rome" in an exclusive way, She did not infer that Rome was the WHOLE Church, rather it seemed more like a reference to PART OF the Church! ELSE? If Rome would LOSE the faith, how COULD the Church prevail unless that Rome was only a PART OF the Church?
I see the following words are being attributed to Our Lady of La Salette: “Rome will lose the Faith and become the seat of the Antichrist”. The quasi-Protestant narrative emerged thirty-three years after the approved Marian apparitions of 1846. To separate the wheat from the chaff, google the following article “The Authentic Message of La Salette” before reading the thirty-three messages of Mélanie published in 1879.
@@johnwainwright6174 are you Roman Catholic ?
@@johnwainwright6174 “Rome will lose the Faith and become the seat of the Antichrist” (one of thirty-three unapproved messages).
“Rome will lose the faith …” (one of thirty-three unapproved messages).
The so called exclusivity of Christ is once again nothing new since the Hindu Vedas also state this about their own 'first begotten of the father' who is the only way to salvation, the 'narrow way', the light in the darkness etc.
Christ is God.
There is nothing 'so called' about the Word-made-flesh being exclusive - He is the Only Begotten of the Father who took flesh of the Holy Spirit and the All Holy Virgin.
The Vedas is not talking of the Triune God.
@@marcokite the Vedas are full of references to the triune Logos who as the primordial sacrifice becomes flesh & fills all things as Paul said. He is the alpha & omega...like I said nothing original there
@@zilchnilton hinduism is a pagan man made religion that has nothing to do with the Truth revealed by God.
1:43:11 he is talking about Jasenovac camps. Lord have mercy... +
Not All Catholics are Roman rite Catholic...
There are also Assyrian Church of the East, Syriac, Coptic as well as Oriental Orthodox. and Byzantine Catholic.
The Pope needs our prayers.
The World needs our prayers
They have different rites, but they are still bound to the Pope.
The Eastern Rite has Baptism, Chrismation and Confirmation just as the Orthodox. But we do not commune babies.
And this is wrong
If you don’t have the Orthodox Faith, the rite is not going to help. If you follow and obey the pope, you must blindly obey him and listen to whatever he says as words from Christ himself. This is what Vatican I teaches. Even in his ordinary teaching. You must obey. Blindly.
Of course, he will lead you to perdition if you do so.
That’s why you must abandon the pope and Vatican one Catholicism if you want to be orthodox
They commune infants too in the Byzantine Rite.
@@Orthobro33 We are baptized, chrismated and confirmed as babies. The byzentines follow the Orthodox way in that they commune babies at baptism . What I am trying to say, we are not Roman Catholics. There are 23 rites in the Catholic church. Eastern rite etc.
@@pah9730 To be honest Fr. Peter, in the Middle East, they don't really follow Vatican 1 & 2. It is a Roman Catholic thing. They know they are Christians and follow the Patriarch.
The patriarch of Constantinople, Bartholomew I said pretty much the same exact thing over 10 years ago. Other Orthodox patriarchs have said pretty much the same thing as well. If what Francis said was heresy, then so was what the Orthodox patriarchs have said. I don’t know why the EO Christians are acting superior?
They touch on it around the 1:29:55 mark when addressing questions.
@@violetfern9885 Lol So an hour and a half criticizing Catholics and five minutes addressing their own patriarchy. First they claim it’s only one Archbishop, it’s not. The archbishop bishops of Moscow and Alexandria have also said similar things. And they also say that it’s different because the Pope is supposed to be infallible, but fail to mention infallibility is only when “ex cathedra”. They also say it’s different because it was said in a loose setting, which was the same for Francis. Then they claim that what the archbishops say doesn’t have any bearing on the EO church lol……
EO should be more concerned with their own faith and not be jumping at the opportunity to slander Catholics.
Difference is we're decentralized, and have no dogmas of infallibility about any hierarch (even if allegedly used rarely in RCism).
RCs regularly gleefully poke our wounds, and have for centuries.
@@LadyMaria You can try to justify the hypocrisy if you want but the bottom line is that if what Francis said was heresy then so is what your archbishops said. Which means the highest positions in your church are also held by heretics. And as I said in my above statement, Papal infallibility is only when “ex cathedra”, not one off statements with no magisterial power. I don’t agree with what Francis said, most Catholics don’t. But Orthodox Christians have no right to slander Catholics until they remove their Patriarchs who said the exact same thing
@derekgomez1205 Well said Brother 👏
and sunday 'churches' are already violating God's Commandments, making it clear they aren't a path to Him. the Lord's day will forever be the 7th day Sabbath, in Christianity.
Are you aware how long the gathering of the church has been on sundays? Since the early church fathers…….
@@danielletracyann that makes it old, not correct.
and according to Acts 2:46, they actually met 'daily'.
Since AD 33 the main day of Divine Liturgy has been on Sunday (Kyriakí) morning. They would go to synogogue on Saturday (Sávvato) afternoon/evening but after AD 70 with the expulsion of Christians it was replaced with the All-Night Vigil to this present day. So we're doing as has been done since the beginning.
The All-Night Vigil would run into the Divine Liturgy.
7th Day Adventism misses the mark on many things including this. It's just a Protestant idea to understand the early Church without doing any sort of research or even trying.
@@LadyMaria since Creation -- Gen 2:2-3 , the 7th day has been the sanctified, blessed and Holy day, kept by all Christianity, until the 3rd/4th century AD, when apostasy set in and catholicism was created under Constantine. so no, it has not been since 'the beginning.'
Seventh day Adventism is clearly a remnant, since we follow Jesus Christ -- Mark 1:21, Mark 6:2, Luke 4:16, John 15:10 -- proving we know God, love Christ and walk in Truth.
your post is lacking in proof from the Word of Truth -- John 17:17
note in Matt 4 & Luke 4 -- our Example , Jesus Christ, shows all Christians that the Bible is how Satan is exposed and defeated.
*Happy Sabbath!!!*
today is the Holy day, the blessed day, the Lord's day.
I pray It's kept Holy by all Christians and church this morning is a blessing for all who love Jesus Christ.
@@tony1685 We have the same services we've had since the 1st century. 🤷♀️ We keep the Sávvato and Kyriakí holy just as St. James, kinsman of Christ did when he compiled the first official Divine Liturgy.
You do realize that the majority of the NT was written before the fall of the Second Temple, right? Well, now you know. So your objection is nonsensical. The Church had to make a service to replace the synogogue (Greek word) since Christians were forbidden from going anymore (that's history). It is based on that worship and the Temple from the get go, AD 70.
Roman Catholicism didn't come about until the 11th century. There is no proof of your words about Constantine, instead more against it. It is a tired trope. He allowed Christianity at the Edict of Milan but that was it. He called Councils to end disputes, which was his job as Emperor but he held no sway, for it he did, we would be Arians right now.
The SDAs are not a remnant but another piece of Protestantism that has no ties to the first century but only back to Ellen White who was no Prophet but a person who wanted power just like Joseph Smith and other false Prophets.
Humble yourself and learn the 2,000 years old ancient Faith of Christ and cast off the Protestant teachings that have been put on you.
Goodbye.
All worshipping One God "Jesus," the Pope recalled, "taught us to welcome one another as brothers," adding that "this applies first and foremost to us, Christians, Jews, and Muslims, who worship the One God and who refer, albeit in different ways, to Abraham as father in faith." Pope Francis recognizes that religion has been and will continue to be a strong contributing element in deadly conflict. Pope Francis renewed his call for peace and brought attention to the persecution that Christians are facing around the world. Other heinous but “hidden” forms of persecution target Christian women: thousands are victims of rape to shame their families and communities, or of forced marriages aimed at forced conversion. Pope Francis's message in Singapore is extremely clear: young people can make a genuine difference in the world by being changemakers and influencing results!
This could be your opinion but not from Bible. Jesus is the ONLY way to salvation, nothing else.
Jesus did not say to welcome each other as brothers, where is that in scripture? He taught us to love our neighbor and our enemies. There's a big difference. Also, we don't all believe in the same God. If one religion says "God is like X" and another says "God is like Y", and the X and Y contradict, it is not the same God. So, no, Christians, Jews and Muslims do not believe in the same God.
Muslims and Christians do not worship the same God. I’ve read the Quran. Allah is not the same being as YHWH. Furthermore, Muslims deny the Trinity. They do not worship the same God as me.
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Everything you wrote is idiocy
Why don't you people know scriptures to understand the words of God when spoken? The Pope said, all religions are a arrival to God (You need to stop changing peoples words around on what was said) which is Hebrews 11:6 you first must believe there is a God (So yes he speaks truth here) and then said, if we are all under one God you saying your God is better, or me sayings my God is better than all you do is start wars. I the Angel of God, Michael agree with this statement 100% . You people are like a pack of wolf's seeking whom you can devour. Stoned hearts filled with hatred against the children of God. You know you are in the right house when you are attacked like this. God bless
The scriptures do not teach what you say they do.
And we are not all under one God in the sense that all the religions are paths to God, as he said, for the scriptures say that the God of the religions are the demons. They don’t worship the one true God. They don’t worship Holy Trinity. Islam is not adoring and worshiping the Holy Trinity. How can you defend this? This is delusional.
I went on a path that was very circumspect in search of God. I touched on Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, spiritualism, and finally I landed on Jesus. This is where I feel the most safe.
Stay with me. Let’s hope TH-cam won’t delete this comment too, which is a repeat of what I’ve already written.
A Muslim pediatrician recently died at a very old age. When he was 38 years old, he heard of a six-year-old who had committed suicide. The child was a diabetic. His mother could not buy his insulin, and as she told the child, if she did, the others would starve. Realizing he was a burden to his family, he took the path he did. The pediatrician, learning of this, swore to devote his career to serving the poor. In his life, he charged a very nominal fee for his patients. If a family could not afford the fee, he refused to accept anything from them. He often bought medication‘s for them.
I refuse to believe anything other than that this man is now residing in heaven with the good Lord, who recognizes that his life on earth imitated the of life of Jesus.
I am with you! God wants us to pursue him, and when we do, he encourages it.
@@mR-dc4oq God bless to you and your friend, although the dead will rest until the day of the resurrection, in past times all the dead were baptized unto Moses (1 Corinthians 10:2) now all can be baptized unto Jesus for he shall raise the dead. All Jesus wants from us is to love one another and follow his commandments. Again God bless to you and your friend
@@Proverbs-uw3ngJesus told us what God wants. He wants us to live the first and second commandment, no? Try it. Pray to the Lord he will show you how and create in you the ability. I pray for that myself. God bless you too!!! Thank you for your kindness.
Are you slow ? How is Trent trying to cover for the pope ? What a dishonest take
Apparently you didn't watch Horn's video on this topic. He very clearly is minimizing Bergoglio's comments. Just like you are.
@@BaikalTii another moron who obviously didn’t watch the video himself , no one minimizing his comments you retard, literally everyone is condemning them, including Catholic apologists.
@@BaikalTii ApPaReNtLy you’re retarded , no one’s minimizing what he said
@@AudChaldean it’s disingenuous. He makes it as if it’s a one off. As if he hasn’t done this and said this again again. This is the third major time that he said the same cacadoxy
Are you slow? Trent is CLEARLY trying to cover for the Jorge? Trent says nonsense like; the pope isn't clear and what he said should be clarified - NO! what Jorge said was as clear as crystal, total heresy, plus he pretends Jorge only made a 'one off statement' which is an untruth, Jorge says this stuff all the time. It appears that your comment is a dishonest take.
The creator.
To be found in our harts. And seen in our humanity
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You think islam goes hand in hand with christianity?
@@lapis_lazuli578 are you kidding me? It has nothing to do with christianity so if im opposed to islam then its quite clear that i do not believe hinduism either. Islam do not go hand in hand woth any religion where as hinduism does.
@@jarrilaurila Thank you. He is slow.
@@jarrilaurila Hinduism does not go in hand with chrisitanity, there is only one God and that is Christ.
The Holy Spirit may inspire you and your heart individually. That’s a certainty and is precisely why we have the Saints. So the real question is how will you know or more important, perhaps, when will you know? Is what your heart telling you, Truth, delusion or put there by the enemy. If there is a God and he has revealed himself to us why rely on yourself as opposed to the Gospel and I don’t mean 4 Books in the Bible as important as they are. I mean the Truth of who Christ was, What he came to accomplish and what he expects from us. If you are questioning by simply listening to this video you better consider everything you are experiencing very carefully as the more we have been given, more is expected of us. May God Grant you many years.
woah! 48:35 thanks Marshall . . now i don't feel so bad about what came out of "my" mouth earlier ☺
Vatican I teaches blind obedience, even to ordinary teaching.
So Taylor Marshall can’t say that and remain within Catholicism and honor Vatican I. This is impossible. You have to depart from this pope AND Catholicism (Vatican I) together to be faithful to Christ (unite with Orthodoxy).