Still its the same gpu as in the i7 1195g7 chip. It beats the ryzen 7 4800u gpu tho. So gaming will be similar but emulation will be much better on the 12th gen chip.
@@Richie5903 I bought the 1195g7 1tb gpd win max, have a gtx 1070 laptop on the side and gpus are still costly eve a gtx 1650 is like 250-285 alone and I bought the gpd win max for 666 euros. cant build a 5ghz i7 pc build with that kinda money plus I can hook it up a dock for extra gpu performance if I have to (have gdc beast pci-e 16x dock somewhere).
@@Richie5903 for a price which i assume will be around thousand dollars, it includes a great screen (which doubles as a drawing monitor, which otherwise would have been a +-500$ purchase), alright speakers, a keyboard, a touchpad and great controlles, so wouldn't say it's a bad investment to get one.
@@shagstars emulation probably won't be as good mainly because of intel drivers being really poor. AMD drivers will be much more stable & support more games, at least until intel's dedicated GPUs come out
This is truly deserving of the name "Max". Finally one of these that really can be everything from a gaming device and normal driver all in one device.
Yeah I think this might actually do the trick I expected the previous max iterations to achieve. A proper all in one device that can actually be used as a laptop too.
@@dio8070 yeah the previous max is a good device but I always found it a bit awkward since it doesn't really work as a laptop for me. And I really miss 10 inch laptops.
I think this device tempts me way more than others because it's more of a mini laptop with gaming functionality rather than a gaming device with some computer functionality. The computer part is the dominant part of this combination. I've been wanting a non-Chromebook, non-tablet mini laptop with a decent small screen and keyboard. And it's just a beautiful looking device.
I used to think I like ultrabooks/mini laptops. But honestly as a programmer and not a small person, I prefer a full size 17'' laptop to take with me that I can actually work on without unhealthy posture.
I own the 2021 edition, and it's replaced my main PC as my daily driver. I'm also getting this one too. GPD Win Max has been the best tech device I've ever bought.
I own a 17in gaming laptop and I have the same opinion, but nowadays I keep wishing I could use my laptop while im commuting or in bed, and while I can its cumbersome. I think the gpd is appealing because its not just a portable device but it is also handheld. I wouldn't worry too much about posture, or at least with me I can't keep myself from staying still without moving constantly.
I have a deck currently but am so interested in the max 2. My two biggest issues is warranty and ergonomics though. Repairing the deck is not a giant chore and warranty claims with valve doesn't require shipping your system overseas. Plus the deck is very comfortable to hold. But for the other functionality, I do prefer the max 2
I just ordered my Deck and while I think this looks really cool, the ergonomics seem terrible to me. I'm not one to complain about that kind of stuff generally, but damn, it almost looks like they straight up designed it to be uncomfortable. I don't know what I dislike about it the most, but those recessed analog sticks might take the top prize. This thing is a sexy piece of kit for sure. It LOOKS amazing. But in terms of pure utility the Deck is where it's at for me. It's clear the Deck was designed as a machine for gaming first and foremost, whereas this thing's design priority was to look cool.
My only real concern would be the warranty on this. Ive read about a lot bad experiences. While i have my max, im afraid to use it so often, because i could not afford half a year repairing time with additional shipping costs etc. I would love to hear your opinion about it. I love your content, was waiting when you could finally test this new device.
@@ThePhawx Droix, like all third-party resellers, in turn sends the device back to China. I say for personal experience that it makes no difference you have to buy a Gpd device, Aya Neo etc .. etc ... for repairs it will almost always be sent back to China unless they are superficial problems.
Droix, like all third-party resellers, in turn sends the device back to China. I say for personal experience that it makes no difference you have to buy a Gpd device, Aya Neo etc .. etc ... for repairs it will almost always be sent back to China unless they are superficial problems.
It certainly packs a punch for its weight and good to see a vendor website that really tells you a lot about their device. As a small portable laptop, it gives you so much in such a small place. I/O is excellent and should have been the norm a while ago across the industry. Love the gamepad control covers, just to prevent gathering of dust if nothing else, although I do hate the use of magnets, the enemy of storage. The one problem that would concern me would be whether it really can be used as a portable handheld gaming machine with the ergonomics that it has. With the demise of high street/brick and mortar stores, this is one device that you really would want to try out before what is going to be an expensive purchase.
@@Zontar82 tbh idk why you’d play on a bed it is a small portable laptop. It I sent a steam deck or a switch and it’s bigger. Tbh it’s just my opinion but I believe it’s meant to be played everywhere else but playing on bed can be a pain
Best thumbnail yet. And Wow, I think this is definitely the best design and device GPD has ever made. It will be hard to top. For me the previous best was the GPD WIN 2. As that has the best pocketable device design so far. I hope they follow up on it for the GPD WIN 4. They can make it a little bigger so it sports a 7" screen and a bigger keyboard. But that is what I would like to see.
What they want is a handheld device. They want to be able to use this on the bus, in their bed, while they're eating, while they wait in line, hell, they can even use it in the toilet.
@@empty3102 GPD seems to have compromised on a PSVita styled design with the GPD WIN 4. But it sure does achieves being able to do all of that. Would still have liked a clamshell design. But good and extremely durable hinges are expensive to make.
Awesome video, I love the fact that you showed us your sim in there with speed test and specified it was a phone plan not tablet plan since I have a extra phone line at T-Mobile that I don't use and was going to see about putting that sim in this but you just ans9 the question that my idea would work, and that speed is plenty fine for using the web browser and what not. Thank you
Im really excited about the device unfortuanelty for me I've never been a fan of the MAX form factor. But im happy for the ones that are fans of the form factor and it does make me excited about the potential future of handhelds
Would have liked to have seen the old max, powered on, next to this new one, just to see how much screen size difference we really get since the bezels are quite drastically different too
@@rassular I was gonna say. The max 1 is about an inch. 1.5 inch thick device is no handheld in my book, considering the max 2 already grew in the other two dimensions.
Just wish the second nvme port was 2280 and able to accept a dual sided board would make this perfect in my eyes. Ordered my 6800 on igg can't wait to get it 😁
Is it for Music Production? Yes!! Before I bought this machine I literally spent hours and days on the internet to assess whether this configuration would be suitable for music production and I can confirm that it is!! maybe I will help others with some terms: SWAM, Omnisphere, Keyscape, MassiveX, Divisimate and multiple tracks (without ASIO no latency)
@@TorstenSimon well, kinda. It depends on each person, of course. For some people, the max is almost big enough for proper laptop use but not quite there, and this covers that need. Especially regarding the keyboard. Also, a 10 inch screen means this can be used as a media consumption device for people who sometimes carry a 10 inch tablet. And it can play. Of course it's not even close to the levels of ergonomic comfort you get with other more gaming centric devices, but it feels this is better positioned to be a gaming / production hybrid than the previous max models ever were. Of course a more mainstream laptop will be better at the laptop part. But they are bigger, usually have way less IO, and in most cases will be way more thermally limited than this, especially in the case of most ultrrabooks. Not saying this is for everyone. But there's certainly a use case for it and I don't think it's as niche as what you made it sound like (while considering this in the context of the still very niche handheld pc market).
@Fashinqu A. Use cases like what precisely? All these devices are usable like a laptop actually, so that distinction is moot. In fact, for most use cases, the Deck is the least suitable device to use as a laptop/desktop because like 99% of people use windows as a production OS and not Linux. And most of those same people have no idea how to install Windows on the Deck. It's doable, but farm from ideal besides using some basic apps or surfing the Web. Unless they actually prefer some Linux friendly alternatives like Gimp or whatever. So, no. A Deck can also be used as a laptop, but not as comfortably as this. In fact, this is all wrong. The only way a Deck is better than a device like this is in ergonomics and form factor for gaming centric use cases. And even then, it's also super big and has a massive footprint. So it's not like it's considerably more portable anyway.
@Fashinqu A. again, don't use your personal experience to talk about general stuff. Of course Linux is perfectly ok for many use cases. More than OK, it's preferable, but only if you know what you are doing. I have been using Linux for over a decade, almost exclusively, for work and personal stuff. But in discussing these devices you have to assume the lower common denominator. And the common denominator is people using Windows. There's a lot of Windows based stuff that's not accessible in Linux (again, common denominator), and almost nothing that's Linux exclusive (besides proper security and privacy to a certain degree). That includes Resolve, for which Linux wasn't a requisite in your case, you just prefer Linux, and I fully agree with that. That doesn't make it the most popular way of doing things by a long shot, or the most recommended for the general population. And you don't have to make an effort to see that, right? Also, nothing prevents anyone from installing any Linux distro on a GPD Win Max, or any other device for that matter. so the OS has nothing to do with how usable a device is. Just that the Deck as a desktop can alienate most users in a way a Windows default device very likely won't. And "your statistics are flawed" is a sentence that doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Nothing being discussed here is a statistic. It's just comments based on common sense regarding the use case of the general population of a relatively new PC form factor that's slowly trying to become more mainstream. And please, stop assuming that if someone disagrees with you they need to "do more research". This is still friendly talk in a public thread. In most cases, many disagreements come from lack of proper communication tools. But even if they are proper ones, thinking you are right and everyone else is wrong won't take you very far. If you can't understand that, you should probably avoid interacting with people, because some will inevitably disagree with you.
@Fashinqu A. I think what he's tried to get out is that as a OS, while Linux is a better production OS, it's just nowhere near close of being popular and as mainstream as Windows. And people would be more comfortable with Windows than Linux. Not saying Windows is better than Linux, but the average person would gravitate to Windows before Linux. But outside of that, I think as a all in one type deal, the Win Max 2 would probably be better because of it already having the keyboard and mouse there.
Looks pretty. I'm strictly higher end ROG these days, but I hope that GPD fans enjoy the new WM2 stuff. It will be interesting to see if they fixed their QC issues.
If the gpd win max 2 isn't affordable it's a no go. The same way the galaxy z fold 2 was already on the market then the galaxy z fold 3 released with relatively the same price, I'd assume the same would be true here. Provided that, let the price point be roughly the same or less then that's fair but if it's not reasonable with the gpd being such a small niche, people won't be buying this...me included.
Can you thumbs up a video more than once? I loved this. I’m a little disappointed they had to produce the Intel version first. I feel like most of us want that RDNA2 goodness.
i am thinking that this thing is the future. It can game at low settings 720p a lot of games, emulate a lot of consoles, with thunderbolt 4 you can run an external Nvidia card for video editing (nvidia+intel encoders), you can use it as a drawing tablet (for photoshop, illustrator), it is portable and power efficient. The only problem i see is the pricing...
OH MY GOSH Those covers have instantly sold this to me!! I am absolutely self conscious and having those covers is absolutely what I need :0 this is the coolest GPD ever! I was already very happy seeing the return of the clamshell shape, but man the ability to make it look like a regular laptop - that's the best thing ever
The AMD model will most likely get better performance in most games due to the RDNA2 iGPU, but the Intel one might be better for PS3 emulation. As long as the CPU and BIOS support AVX-512 instructions, you'll be able to run RPCS3 with much higher performance. Unfortunately, this requires you to disable the Efficiency cores and Intel are removing AVX-512 support for this reason.
I'm not totally sold on this. The screen native resolution is 2560×1600 but I read that it will run at 1080p. Even then, the fps while gaming will be pretty close to what the Win Max 2021 was capable of with the Intel model. So no real gain in performance. Running games on 720p is obviously possible but we will see if the quality suffers. Everything else looks like a nice upgrade. Wish they kept the RJ45 jack and the screen could've been a Wacom but nothing is perfect.
The keyboard layout looks so much better. Native landscape screen would fix another annoyance with my original Win Max. I probably wouldn't use the pen unless they made it a convertible where the screen flipped around to the back. A tablet mode at this size could be cool. Maybe next time. I doubt I'll be buying this generation WinMax but I hope it does well!
I am pretty interested in the LTE module of winmax2, but someone from gpd told me that the bands supported are 2 G：GSM900/1800MHz，3 G：WCDMA B 1/B 8，TD-SCDMA B34/B39，CDMA BC0，4 G：LTE TDD B34/B38/B39/B40/B41，LTE FDD B 1/B 3/B 5/B 8. Supposedly it should not work with any us carrier. However, i was amazed that yours worked with tmobile! Probably they are shipping different lte modules to different contries.
It's very slick in concept and images. But I own a Max 1 and it's *heavy AF* as a handheld; the larger Max 2 can only get worse. The ABXY positionning also gives me cramps; it'd be MUCH more comfortable just relocating them to the center as in the Win2, which I still use whenever possible because of those two reasons.
Man Phawx, you've got my hyped for this thing. The main factors that'll decide whether I buy are 1) price, 2) support, and 3) do the components all work under Linux. I'd really like to skip paying for WIndows if I can.
I am quite positive Linux will work well as will all their devices. I don't think you can skip Windows' price included in the package however. I've always wanted that along skipping the Biwin SSDs altogether. Whenever I get any of their devices I replace the SSD and clean install whatever I need straight away. If I need Windows installed for whatever reason I just use a Pro license. So I'm basically paying for Windows and storage that I will never use. Maybe that could be a way to compete in the pricing department. Giving options. Support is a mixed bag with GPD. I've had very good experiences with them in most cases. But then I got a wifi5 Win3 unit and there was no way to fix that. So there's that. RMA is a nightmare and sending to China takes months, and usually you end up paying taxes again.
If support is anything like with the WinMax 2021- you're not their problem. =( See my other posts, I only had use of mine for a month and support just hot potatoed me.
No to mention both the Intel and AMD version will have eGPU support. This would be the perfect laptop for gaming on the go and potentially 2k or 4k gaming on desktop with an eGPU.
I have the 1035G7 and 1195G7 max; other than the faster RAM i am not sure if the 12th Gen will have much advantages for me to upgrade. Shall wait for the 6800U and see how well that performs :)
I'll get this maybe in a year or two cuz I just bought a Win Max Ryzen. One of my most useful device...EVER. I'm a graphic artist and a gamer btw. This kinda breaks my heart. Wish I waited for Win Max 2 with that sweet2 pen and analog covers (Cuz people at work mistake me for just playing).
It's nice, but I have a few complaints. The left joystick should be where the d-pad is and the speakers could do with better tuning since they sound hollow. I am thinking about buying one but not sure I can justify 2000 NZD. There is also the issue of the availability of replacement parts.
What a great video. I really hope this isn't a 1400$ device, wouldn't be surprised if it was. I absolutely loved my OG win max, it was so close. This is the one to beat pair this with the amd 6800u and driver support. I am so pumped.
6800u 2tb version is around 1400. Not bad imo. Though you can get a better performance laptop for less, but this is so very tempting. I'll have to sell my aya neo to get this.
bro you can disable the hardware mouse and just use controller companion app from steam for the controllers native xinput function mode. its so much better and fully customizable
I'm glad this thing is going to be a good fit for some folks and this looks like it could be a killer ultrabook for those looking for something more portable than a laptop. Handheld usability seems iffy and GPD support and reliability are still HUGE issues in my mind (having had a GPD Win 1 that broke once in two ways and a Win 2 that broke twice in one way) but it is a compelling idea for that sort of cyberdeck-style form factor.
Yeah, I've had keyboard issues with my Win Max 4800U a month in after receiving my preorder unit, it took 6 months for them to send me a replacement keyboard. I'd email and crickets... then randomly they'd ask for something, or tell me they had no ability to send me something. Shortly after replacing the keyboard (which took a month to ship) the unit refused to charge. Its currently on its way to China for "repair", idk if I'll ever see it again. I owned the Win 1, 2 and 3.
Frequency Band：2G：GSM900/1800MHz，3G：WCDMA B1/B8，TD-SCDMA B34/B39，CDMA BC0，4G：LTE TDD B34/B38/B39/B40/B41，LTE FDD B1/B3/B5/B8 wonder what modem they went with..
If it's like the Win Max 1, probably not. Your best bet for placing the screen flat on the ground is to have it open 90° and let the keyboard stick up.
6800U at 25W is gonna be brilliant, much much better than Intels gpu. BTW, really nice review, very comprehensive, feature packed just like GPD :DD Beautiful !!
As a laptop/handheld hybrid this thing probably rocks. But as someone who owns a gaming laptop and uses it as a gaming desktop, and has a small budget laptop for basic tasks/media consumption, a switch like one would probably be better for my needs.
Love watching your videos! I just personally ordered the AMD version of the max 2 but I noticed recently you posted GPD Win 4 photo. I'm assuming the GPD win Max 2 would be the better option with the bigger display I'm just curious if the GPD win 4 having better specs be a better route?
I have the GPD pocket 2 and it’s pretty good for 360 ps3 era games , it plays PSP and under really well , it also runs my maschine software and my MPC software for creating music on the go , this looks awesome , but the price is way out of my limits , I paid 200.00 uk for my pocket 2
Phawx, Love your videos! I was wondering if you have had any luck setting up the Win Max 2 gyro controls in Cemu. I can get Cemu to recognize the built in controller as XInput and all the buttons, joysticks, and triggers work but not motion. Or I can set Cemu controller to DSU and use the MotionAssistant app to have the Max 2 simulate DS4, which gets motion controls to work, but then the rest of the built in controller doesn't work. I was hoping to finally get to play BOTW without having to connect a real DS4 every time I find a shrine that requires motion controls.
Hey Phawx, I have a question concerning the handling of this thing. When you play with the joysticks, I notice your palms are pressing on the keyboard (keys on the side). How does it feel? Do you feel the keys pressing? Can that sometimes induce a mistyping error while gaming? I've never held a winmax before so I wonder how does it feel in reality...
In size something between this and the GPD WIn 2 would be perfect for a GPD Win 4. Jut a little bit bigger than the GPD Win 2 but keeping the clamshell for factor that is much more pocketable. That could be achieved with the smaller bezels
Good luck with support lol... my gdp win 3 needed support for out of the box issue, 5 weeks to get it back 4 months later another problem and zero support, zero aftermarket parts... wasted all that money and it never felt like it was a new device.
I hope this model can be used for a long time without issue like my GPD Pocket 2. My GPD Pocket 2 after 1 year of using, its keyboard was broken on some keys. As far as I know, the cause of the problem is the bad heat dissipation design while the device is too small. There are also many people suffering from this condition like me on TH-cam.
The only reason why I won't buy GPD product. I want to use it for the next 5-8 years but if it is broken after 1 year, that's a huge loss. Plus, there is no support in my country and the third party repair probably don't have the spare parts. Too bad. It would have been a perfect device for me.
I am not the typical target customer, as I have no interest in gaming. But this device seems great as an ultraportable device. Can the device be completely silent under normal load with silent mode? And how is battery life in that mode?
It definitely should. However, I don't know what the state of things regarding it's actual implementation is regarding proper tests on AMD units. It's pretty safe to assume it will be thoroughly tested though since that's something GPD really does care about, especially on their Max line.
Wishlist: 180 fold over screen/touchpad mode. Snap on controllers like ONE-GX1. Even better with controls that snap on either direction(eg works in tablet mode or laptop mode. The onboard controls look like ass. As a super compact netbook this is a nice looking device though.
Even the Intel model gives better performance than my current PC, and with built in pen support, I am really hyped about this thing.
Still its the same gpu as in the i7 1195g7 chip. It beats the ryzen 7 4800u gpu tho. So gaming will be similar but emulation will be much better on the 12th gen chip.
Just buy yourself a better pc for less money ?
@@Richie5903 I bought the 1195g7 1tb gpd win max, have a gtx 1070 laptop on the side and gpus are still costly eve a gtx 1650 is like 250-285 alone and I bought the gpd win max for 666 euros. cant build a 5ghz i7 pc build with that kinda money plus I can hook it up a dock for extra gpu performance if I have to (have gdc beast pci-e 16x dock somewhere).
@@Richie5903 for a price which i assume will be around thousand dollars, it includes a great screen (which doubles as a drawing monitor, which otherwise would have been a +-500$ purchase), alright speakers, a keyboard, a touchpad and great controlles, so wouldn't say it's a bad investment to get one.
@@shagstars emulation probably won't be as good mainly because of intel drivers being really poor. AMD drivers will be much more stable & support more games, at least until intel's dedicated GPUs come out
This is truly deserving of the name "Max". Finally one of these that really can be everything from a gaming device and normal driver all in one device.
Yeah I think this might actually do the trick I expected the previous max iterations to achieve. A proper all in one device that can actually be used as a laptop too.
@@lucascarracedo7421 same that’s why I held off on buying the first win max and rn am holding off buying a deck
@@dio8070 yeah the previous max is a good device but I always found it a bit awkward since it doesn't really work as a laptop for me. And I really miss 10 inch laptops.
This youtuber truly deserving equal fanbase of Etaprime since the sauce is identical
@@r3volt97 I wouldn't call it fanbase. However, Phawx is the person to watch for actual information on these devices.
you've been wanting this for years, since the first max came out. so happy for you
This is what netbooks should have been from the start, gaming capable!
I think this device tempts me way more than others because it's more of a mini laptop with gaming functionality rather than a gaming device with some computer functionality. The computer part is the dominant part of this combination. I've been wanting a non-Chromebook, non-tablet mini laptop with a decent small screen and keyboard.
And it's just a beautiful looking device.
Same, this is a great travel laptop.
I used to think I like ultrabooks/mini laptops. But honestly as a programmer and not a small person, I prefer a full size 17'' laptop to take with me that I can actually work on without unhealthy posture.
Your portable workstation is not comparable at all.
I own the 2021 edition, and it's replaced my main PC as my daily driver. I'm also getting this one too. GPD Win Max has been the best tech device I've ever bought.
I own a 17in gaming laptop and I have the same opinion, but nowadays I keep wishing I could use my laptop while im commuting or in bed, and while I can its cumbersome. I think the gpd is appealing because its not just a portable device but it is also handheld.
I wouldn't worry too much about posture, or at least with me I can't keep myself from staying still without moving constantly.
Win Max will always have a place in my heart!
Same here the max and the win 2 will never be forgotten by me
@@Chesemiser yeah hope the win 2 will see an update soon somehow. They are aware how many people really like that form factor.
I have a deck currently but am so interested in the max 2. My two biggest issues is warranty and ergonomics though. Repairing the deck is not a giant chore and warranty claims with valve doesn't require shipping your system overseas. Plus the deck is very comfortable to hold. But for the other functionality, I do prefer the max 2
If I buy a max2, it won't replace my deck. Just ergonomics alone are a reason, among many others.
I just ordered my Deck and while I think this looks really cool, the ergonomics seem terrible to me. I'm not one to complain about that kind of stuff generally, but damn, it almost looks like they straight up designed it to be uncomfortable. I don't know what I dislike about it the most, but those recessed analog sticks might take the top prize.
This thing is a sexy piece of kit for sure. It LOOKS amazing. But in terms of pure utility the Deck is where it's at for me. It's clear the Deck was designed as a machine for gaming first and foremost, whereas this thing's design priority was to look cool.
@@jonah3985 doesnt look too uncomforable just like a big 3ds to me
"Everything that you could possibly imagine... is on this device.'
Finally! A PC with an integrated smoothie maker!
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My only real concern would be the warranty on this. Ive read about a lot bad experiences. While i have my max, im afraid to use it so often, because i could not afford half a year repairing time with additional shipping costs etc.
I would love to hear your opinion about it.
I love your content, was waiting when you could finally test this new device.
My best advice here would be to leverage third party retailers who offer faster customer service. Droix delivers to US now
@@ThePhawx Droix, like all third-party resellers, in turn sends the device back to China. I say for personal experience that it makes no difference you have to buy a Gpd device, Aya Neo etc .. etc ... for repairs it will almost always be sent back to China unless they are superficial problems.
Droix, like all third-party resellers, in turn sends the device back to China. I say for personal experience that it makes no difference you have to buy a Gpd device, Aya Neo etc .. etc ... for repairs it will almost always be sent back to China unless they are superficial problems.
Saben de cuantos mah es la bateria del max 2?
@@danilomaccioni2552 Fortunately，I am chinese and I can get his easily
It certainly packs a punch for its weight and good to see a vendor website that really tells you a lot about their device.
As a small portable laptop, it gives you so much in such a small place. I/O is excellent and should have been the norm a while ago across the industry.
Love the gamepad control covers, just to prevent gathering of dust if nothing else, although I do hate the use of magnets, the enemy of storage.
The one problem that would concern me would be whether it really can be used as a portable handheld gaming machine with the ergonomics that it has.
With the demise of high street/brick and mortar stores, this is one device that you really would want to try out before what is going to be an expensive purchase.
The gpd win max was already a pain in the ass to play, esepcially After long session in bed, this can only be worse
@@Zontar82 tbh idk why you’d play on a bed it is a small portable laptop.
It I sent a steam deck or a switch and it’s bigger.
Tbh it’s just my opinion but I believe it’s meant to be played everywhere else but playing on bed can be a pain
@@Zontar82 tho I do agree with you
Best thumbnail yet. And Wow, I think this is definitely the best design and device GPD has ever made. It will be hard to top. For me the previous best was the GPD WIN 2. As that has the best pocketable device design so far. I hope they follow up on it for the GPD WIN 4. They can make it a little bigger so it sports a 7" screen and a bigger keyboard. But that is what I would like to see.
Buddy, what you want is a full size gaming laptop is you want if you want this to be even bigger
@@RaiRai214 No, not true.
What they want is a handheld device. They want to be able to use this on the bus, in their bed, while they're eating, while they wait in line, hell, they can even use it in the toilet.
@@empty3102 GPD seems to have compromised on a PSVita styled design with the GPD WIN 4. But it sure does achieves being able to do all of that. Would still have liked a clamshell design. But good and extremely durable hinges are expensive to make.
This is FANTASTIC. We can't wait to get our hands on one to test out. Great video, Phawx man!
Saben de cuantos mah es la bateria del max 2?
Awesome video, I love the fact that you showed us your sim in there with speed test and specified it was a phone plan not tablet plan since I have a extra phone line at T-Mobile that I don't use and was going to see about putting that sim in this but you just ans9 the question that my idea would work, and that speed is plenty fine for using the web browser and what not. Thank you
16:02 I love the analog stick review, very important.
4:50 The super hero we all need but don't deserve!
0:41 ...except for the RJ45 port 😢.
8:34 Win Max 1 also has a backlit keyboard.
Pretty slick. Wish they had other colors available. It's the only thing I would want more from it, Even just black.
Im really excited about the device unfortuanelty for me I've never been a fan of the MAX form factor. But im happy for the ones that are fans of the form factor and it does make me excited about the potential future of handhelds
7:49 - Heard it here first. Phawx confirms Steam deck 2 coming
Would have liked to have seen the old max, powered on, next to this new one, just to see how much screen size difference we really get since the bezels are quite drastically different too
its also one inch wider than win max 1 and half an inch thicker. So its more on the laptop side than handheld now.
@@shagstars
Half an inch thicker? That's a lot.
@@2010ngojo no he's wrong, it's actually 1mm thinner than the Max 1 lol
@@2010ngojo like 12mm. but thats due to analog triggers on the back so its not the overall thickness. This thing would weigh more tho xD.
@@rassular
I was gonna say. The max 1 is about an inch. 1.5 inch thick device is no handheld in my book, considering the max 2 already grew in the other two dimensions.
I kinda really want to know what steam OS 3 is like on this thing
So looking forward to the 6800u version. My Win 3 is great but I really want something a versatile as this
Getting away from Intel drivers will be great for you, Intel is such a headache still.
@@BahhBahhBrownSheep Absolutely! They've been a nightmare
So much details, man. Keep it up
Holy crap! I just got the original GPD 2019 Win Max last year and this is making me want to upgrade! This thing is beautiful!
The man got his new baby!
Just wish the second nvme port was 2280 and able to accept a dual sided board would make this perfect in my eyes. Ordered my 6800 on igg can't wait to get it 😁
Is it for Music Production? Yes!!
Before I bought this machine I literally spent hours and days on the internet to assess whether this configuration would be suitable for music production and I can confirm that it is!! maybe I will help others with some terms: SWAM, Omnisphere, Keyscape, MassiveX, Divisimate and multiple tracks (without ASIO no latency)
As a handheld I’d rather have the steam deck but as a laptop this is definitely one of the most interesting devices I have seen
Except that in that case almost every time a proper laptop is probably still the better choice (Gpd win max & steam deck owner myself)
@@TorstenSimon well, kinda. It depends on each person, of course. For some people, the max is almost big enough for proper laptop use but not quite there, and this covers that need. Especially regarding the keyboard.
Also, a 10 inch screen means this can be used as a media consumption device for people who sometimes carry a 10 inch tablet. And it can play. Of course it's not even close to the levels of ergonomic comfort you get with other more gaming centric devices, but it feels this is better positioned to be a gaming / production hybrid than the previous max models ever were.
Of course a more mainstream laptop will be better at the laptop part. But they are bigger, usually have way less IO, and in most cases will be way more thermally limited than this, especially in the case of most ultrrabooks.
Not saying this is for everyone. But there's certainly a use case for it and I don't think it's as niche as what you made it sound like (while considering this in the context of the still very niche handheld pc market).
@Fashinqu A. Use cases like what precisely?
All these devices are usable like a laptop actually, so that distinction is moot. In fact, for most use cases, the Deck is the least suitable device to use as a laptop/desktop because like 99% of people use windows as a production OS and not Linux. And most of those same people have no idea how to install Windows on the Deck. It's doable, but farm from ideal besides using some basic apps or surfing the Web. Unless they actually prefer some Linux friendly alternatives like Gimp or whatever.
So, no. A Deck can also be used as a laptop, but not as comfortably as this. In fact, this is all wrong. The only way a Deck is better than a device like this is in ergonomics and form factor for gaming centric use cases. And even then, it's also super big and has a massive footprint. So it's not like it's considerably more portable anyway.
@Fashinqu A. again, don't use your personal experience to talk about general stuff. Of course Linux is perfectly ok for many use cases. More than OK, it's preferable, but only if you know what you are doing. I have been using Linux for over a decade, almost exclusively, for work and personal stuff. But in discussing these devices you have to assume the lower common denominator. And the common denominator is people using Windows.
There's a lot of Windows based stuff that's not accessible in Linux (again, common denominator), and almost nothing that's Linux exclusive (besides proper security and privacy to a certain degree). That includes Resolve, for which Linux wasn't a requisite in your case, you just prefer Linux, and I fully agree with that. That doesn't make it the most popular way of doing things by a long shot, or the most recommended for the general population. And you don't have to make an effort to see that, right?
Also, nothing prevents anyone from installing any Linux distro on a GPD Win Max, or any other device for that matter. so the OS has nothing to do with how usable a device is. Just that the Deck as a desktop can alienate most users in a way a Windows default device very likely won't.
And "your statistics are flawed" is a sentence that doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Nothing being discussed here is a statistic. It's just comments based on common sense regarding the use case of the general population of a relatively new PC form factor that's slowly trying to become more mainstream.
And please, stop assuming that if someone disagrees with you they need to "do more research". This is still friendly talk in a public thread. In most cases, many disagreements come from lack of proper communication tools. But even if they are proper ones, thinking you are right and everyone else is wrong won't take you very far. If you can't understand that, you should probably avoid interacting with people, because some will inevitably disagree with you.
@Fashinqu A. I think what he's tried to get out is that as a OS, while Linux is a better production OS, it's just nowhere near close of being popular and as mainstream as Windows. And people would be more comfortable with Windows than Linux. Not saying Windows is better than Linux, but the average person would gravitate to Windows before Linux.
But outside of that, I think as a all in one type deal, the Win Max 2 would probably be better because of it already having the keyboard and mouse there.
The idea of these magnetic pads is just incredible
Looks pretty. I'm strictly higher end ROG these days, but I hope that GPD fans enjoy the new WM2 stuff.
It will be interesting to see if they fixed their QC issues.
Rog has terrible QC too. I regretted my g14
I already see myself playing with those magnetic covers for a while even before turning this on
Money waiting for the AMD version!
Awesome video phawx my eyes are on this :)
If the gpd win max 2 isn't affordable it's a no go. The same way the galaxy z fold 2 was already on the market then the galaxy z fold 3 released with relatively the same price, I'd assume the same would be true here. Provided that, let the price point be roughly the same or less then that's fair but if it's not reasonable with the gpd being such a small niche, people won't be buying this...me included.
a year later and several thousands of purchases later your comment has aged poorly.
I actually clicked on this video for the best thumbnail of July on TH-cam.
Can you thumbs up a video more than once? I loved this. I’m a little disappointed they had to produce the Intel version first. I feel like most of us want that RDNA2 goodness.
i am thinking that this thing is the future. It can game at low settings 720p a lot of games, emulate a lot of consoles, with thunderbolt 4 you can run an external Nvidia card for video editing (nvidia+intel encoders), you can use it as a drawing tablet (for photoshop, illustrator), it is portable and power efficient. The only problem i see is the pricing...
OH MY GOSH
Those covers have instantly sold this to me!!
I am absolutely self conscious and having those covers is absolutely what I need :0
this is the coolest GPD ever!
I was already very happy seeing the return of the clamshell shape, but man the ability to make it look like a regular laptop - that's the best thing ever
Saben de cuantos mah es la bateria del max 2?
@@benjaminsilva1898 67Wh
Great Video! Great Device I definitely want this later on this year!
The AMD model will most likely get better performance in most games due to the RDNA2 iGPU, but the Intel one might be better for PS3 emulation.
As long as the CPU and BIOS support AVX-512 instructions, you'll be able to run RPCS3 with much higher performance. Unfortunately, this requires you to disable the Efficiency cores and Intel are removing AVX-512 support for this reason.
I'm not totally sold on this. The screen native resolution is 2560×1600 but I read that it will run at 1080p. Even then, the fps while gaming will be pretty close to what the Win Max 2021 was capable of with the Intel model. So no real gain in performance. Running games on 720p is obviously possible but we will see if the quality suffers. Everything else looks like a nice upgrade. Wish they kept the RJ45 jack and the screen could've been a Wacom but nothing is perfect.
I just love his excitement when he said it’s crazy good
The keyboard layout looks so much better. Native landscape screen would fix another annoyance with my original Win Max. I probably wouldn't use the pen unless they made it a convertible where the screen flipped around to the back. A tablet mode at this size could be cool. Maybe next time. I doubt I'll be buying this generation WinMax but I hope it does well!
The excitement is contagious
I am pretty interested in the LTE module of winmax2, but someone from gpd told me that the bands supported are 2 G：GSM900/1800MHz，3 G：WCDMA B 1/B 8，TD-SCDMA B34/B39，CDMA BC0，4 G：LTE TDD B34/B38/B39/B40/B41，LTE FDD B 1/B 3/B 5/B 8. Supposedly it should not work with any us carrier. However, i was amazed that yours worked with tmobile! Probably they are shipping different lte modules to different contries.
It's very slick in concept and images. But I own a Max 1 and it's *heavy AF* as a handheld; the larger Max 2 can only get worse. The ABXY positionning also gives me cramps; it'd be MUCH more comfortable just relocating them to the center as in the Win2, which I still use whenever possible because of those two reasons.
yeah they need to go back to gpd win 2 size
@@yorkyalmanzar8959 Yep. And now, without the borders, you could be the same size and still have 7'or 8' inch screen.
Damn... Now Win Max 2 also in AMD. 👍
Honestly 10 inch is a great size for Minibook.
Not too big, not too small. It s just FIT.
I'm glad to see pen support
Looks like a good replacement for my GPD Win (first, without number).
This was like watching a kid open up a Christmas present.
Amazing video
I love my GPD Win max 1, but I can't resist this!
Man Phawx, you've got my hyped for this thing. The main factors that'll decide whether I buy are 1) price, 2) support, and 3) do the components all work under Linux. I'd really like to skip paying for WIndows if I can.
I am quite positive Linux will work well as will all their devices. I don't think you can skip Windows' price included in the package however. I've always wanted that along skipping the Biwin SSDs altogether.
Whenever I get any of their devices I replace the SSD and clean install whatever I need straight away. If I need Windows installed for whatever reason I just use a Pro license. So I'm basically paying for Windows and storage that I will never use.
Maybe that could be a way to compete in the pricing department. Giving options.
Support is a mixed bag with GPD. I've had very good experiences with them in most cases. But then I got a wifi5 Win3 unit and there was no way to fix that. So there's that. RMA is a nightmare and sending to China takes months, and usually you end up paying taxes again.
If support is anything like with the WinMax 2021- you're not their problem. =(
See my other posts, I only had use of mine for a month and support just hot potatoed me.
No to mention both the Intel and AMD version will have eGPU support. This would be the perfect laptop for gaming on the go and potentially 2k or 4k gaming on desktop with an eGPU.
Good video man.. Subscribed!
Well, my nephew will be happy to get my current winmax as soon as I get this.
I have the 1035G7 and 1195G7 max; other than the faster RAM i am not sure if the 12th Gen will have much advantages for me to upgrade. Shall wait for the 6800U and see how well that performs :)
I'll get this maybe in a year or two cuz I just bought a Win Max Ryzen. One of my most useful device...EVER. I'm a graphic artist and a gamer btw. This kinda breaks my heart. Wish I waited for Win Max 2 with that sweet2 pen and analog covers (Cuz people at work mistake me for just playing).
I'll believe it when I see it that this thing has no weird issues. Overall, looks promising.
It's nice, but I have a few complaints. The left joystick should be where the d-pad is and the speakers could do with better tuning since they sound hollow.
I am thinking about buying one but not sure I can justify 2000 NZD. There is also the issue of the availability of replacement parts.
I really want one, but I already have 4 handheld PC's that I love!
Now I'm interested. Looking forward for the AMD-version.
The AMD 6800U is the one I am after. Incredibly good GPU performance for games and battery life.
even on my weak computer the installation did not take much time, thank you very much
I hope they make an european keyboard model this time.
What a great video. I really hope this isn't a 1400$ device, wouldn't be surprised if it was. I absolutely loved my OG win max, it was so close. This is the one to beat pair this with the amd 6800u and driver support. I am so pumped.
it sells for 5669rmb in china for the intel version which is roughly about 850usd.. i would think the price will go higher because of logistic, etc...
@@ziethup1992Thanks! Sub 1000 usd. Sign me up!
6800u 2tb version is around 1400. Not bad imo. Though you can get a better performance laptop for less, but this is so very tempting. I'll have to sell my aya neo to get this.
One thing that is an important distinction is if the SD card reader only works with 1 card, like you have to choose between Micro and full size.
I'd have the covers on the analogs when I'm not playing only so dust wouldn't go down there causing stick drift.
The new version with the 7840/7640 amd cpu has a oculink port so you can add a external gpu and not lose too much performance on the card.
My original GPD WiMAX had an Ethernet port, shame they've ditched that but nice to have the 2230 port to upgrade storage
Is there a version without the mic and cam? I would never use those features
bro you can disable the hardware mouse and just use controller companion app from steam for the controllers native xinput function mode. its so much better and fully customizable
I'm glad this thing is going to be a good fit for some folks and this looks like it could be a killer ultrabook for those looking for something more portable than a laptop. Handheld usability seems iffy and GPD support and reliability are still HUGE issues in my mind (having had a GPD Win 1 that broke once in two ways and a Win 2 that broke twice in one way) but it is a compelling idea for that sort of cyberdeck-style form factor.
Yeah, I've had keyboard issues with my Win Max 4800U a month in after receiving my preorder unit, it took 6 months for them to send me a replacement keyboard. I'd email and crickets... then randomly they'd ask for something, or tell me they had no ability to send me something. Shortly after replacing the keyboard (which took a month to ship) the unit refused to charge. Its currently on its way to China for "repair", idk if I'll ever see it again. I owned the Win 1, 2 and 3.
LFG!!!! I’m excited man
Frequency Band：2G：GSM900/1800MHz，3G：WCDMA B1/B8，TD-SCDMA B34/B39，CDMA BC0，4G：LTE TDD B34/B38/B39/B40/B41，LTE FDD B1/B3/B5/B8
wonder what modem they went with..
is it possible to lay the Win Max 2 flat with the screen? Like, opening it 180 degrees? It would be a nice feature with the digitizer built in ^^
If it's like the Win Max 1, probably not. Your best bet for placing the screen flat on the ground is to have it open 90° and let the keyboard stick up.
I wish they'd put an RJ 45 LAN port on the back instead of the additional USB 3 slot ;( It is so useful to dowload games quickly!
6800U at 25W is gonna be brilliant, much much better than Intels gpu. BTW, really nice review, very comprehensive, feature packed just like GPD :DD Beautiful !!
Windows ink pen + 6800U is what I've been waiting for all my life.
Could you please touch on the two resolutions for the Win Max 2 and what your recommendation would be?
Yep, going to have a dedicated video on this.
As a laptop/handheld hybrid this thing probably rocks. But as someone who owns a gaming laptop and uses it as a gaming desktop, and has a small budget laptop for basic tasks/media consumption, a switch like one would probably be better for my needs.
Steam deck my dude
@@badmoose01 you cant really get one though.
@@ultimategohan1551 I did 🤷🏽♂️
Teardown when?
I wanna see if I can upgrade components.
Love watching your videos! I just personally ordered the AMD version of the max 2 but I noticed recently you posted GPD Win 4 photo. I'm assuming the GPD win Max 2 would be the better option with the bigger display I'm just curious if the GPD win 4 having better specs be a better route?
I have the GPD pocket 2 and it’s pretty good for 360 ps3 era games , it plays PSP and under really well , it also runs my maschine software and my MPC software for creating music on the go , this looks awesome , but the price is way out of my limits , I paid 200.00 uk for my pocket 2
Phawx, Love your videos!
I was wondering if you have had any luck setting up the Win Max 2 gyro controls in Cemu. I can get Cemu to recognize the built in controller as XInput and all the buttons, joysticks, and triggers work but not motion. Or I can set Cemu controller to DSU and use the MotionAssistant app to have the Max 2 simulate DS4, which gets motion controls to work, but then the rest of the built in controller doesn't work.
I was hoping to finally get to play BOTW without having to connect a real DS4 every time I find a shrine that requires motion controls.
It looks great!
LOVE this lil thing...i really want one...
Hey Phawx, I have a question concerning the handling of this thing. When you play with the joysticks, I notice your palms are pressing on the keyboard (keys on the side). How does it feel? Do you feel the keys pressing? Can that sometimes induce a mistyping error while gaming?
I've never held a winmax before so I wonder how does it feel in reality...
In size something between this and the GPD WIn 2 would be perfect for a GPD Win 4. Jut a little bit bigger than the GPD Win 2 but keeping the clamshell for factor that is much more pocketable. That could be achieved with the smaller bezels
Saben de cuantos mah es la bateria del max 2?
@@benjaminsilva1898 dude shut up with this stupid question and in Spanish too?
Good luck with support lol... my gdp win 3 needed support for out of the box issue, 5 weeks to get it back 4 months later another problem and zero support, zero aftermarket parts... wasted all that money and it never felt like it was a new device.
concept is dope but with so much tech crammed into a device, something is bound to go wrong. I'll wait for the refresh.
I hope this model can be used for a long time without issue like my GPD Pocket 2.
My GPD Pocket 2 after 1 year of using, its keyboard was broken on some keys. As far as I know, the cause of the problem is the bad heat dissipation design while the device is too small. There are also many people suffering from this condition like me on TH-cam.
The only reason why I won't buy GPD product. I want to use it for the next 5-8 years but if it is broken after 1 year, that's a huge loss. Plus, there is no support in my country and the third party repair probably don't have the spare parts. Too bad. It would have been a perfect device for me.
I am not the typical target customer, as I have no interest in gaming. But this device seems great as an ultraportable device. Can the device be completely silent under normal load with silent mode? And how is battery life in that mode?
Saben de cuantos mah es la bateria del max 2?
the pen support and screen is making want this. my gpd win max is still fine but I want this
If I didn't get the Steam Deck I would get this. Literally everything I want on a device man.
I was hoping the screen can be rotated all the way to the back. That's the only way it can securely be used as a pen tablet.
Looking forward to AMD version, and I want to know about support for Linux, probably Manjaro or Steam OS...
Same - 6800u, with Steam OS, would be my primary config. I wonder if it will support FSR toggles and refresh control…
One more thing can you check the pause and resume feature
A current-day thunderbolt 3 eGPU enclosure should work on the 6800U USB4 port, right?
Yes. That's the case.
@@ThePhawx thanks Phawx!
It definitely should. However, I don't know what the state of things regarding it's actual implementation is regarding proper tests on AMD units. It's pretty safe to assume it will be thoroughly tested though since that's something GPD really does care about, especially on their Max line.
Impressive, let’s see it running Steam OS 3 via holoiso
Wishlist:
180 fold over screen/touchpad mode.
Snap on controllers like ONE-GX1. Even better with controls that snap on either direction(eg works in tablet mode or laptop mode.
The onboard controls look like ass. As a super compact netbook this is a nice looking device though.