What Happens When Homeless People Just Want to Stay on the Streets? | NBCLA
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- One homeless man likened living in a shelter to a form of incarceration. So what happens to those who just want to stay living on the street? Joel Grover investigates. Read more here: 4.nbcla.com/l6uu9C7
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One of the harshest realities of helping the homeless is there are far too many who just can't be helped.
So basically, that first guy wants to just be "free" to crap on the street, continue to use drugs and/or alcohol, & be a blight on society?
Do that in the desert, not in the cities.Get help, clean up, and then you'll really be free.
Send them all to Slab City out in the desert
It’s gonna sound bad, but living in the snow belt has its advantages. Cuz up here all the homeless want to get help cuz if not they’ll freeze. It’s a motivator that gets them into programs. It works.
@Carlos Roman - Excellent point on the "freedom" aspect of your argument, but I must say that it's one thing to be free to live as you choose and being a problem for others. The latter is what I have a problem with (being a problem).
Most people don't want to be homeless and there are numerous reasons as to "why" they are in that position.
@Carlos Roman - there are people who lost their homes to wildfires living on the streets. People in & around San Francisco that make 6 figure salaries but live in their cars or RVs. Some homeless have jobs, but just don't make enough to pay skyrocketing rents or mortgages.
Some homeless have addiction issues, others don't. Mental health issues that are the causes of addiction. Some are physically disabled, can work, but don't make enough to live in most areas of California. It is a very complicated situation & there's no easy solution.
In Latin America, Africa, and India. People who want a lifestyle of hedonistic freedom and drugs like that end up in shantytown slums. Away from the rest of society. I think the US needs to re-legalize living in a shantytown slum. We just need to set up some land for the homeless, saying "you can be free here, but not in the main city."
"to use the bathroom when I want to" as he motions to the sidewalk.....
But...he just wants to be free.
Ikr
@@Chatter76
No argument there.
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In some cities, homeless people are banned from public indoor bathrooms. Due to this, some cities have a few poterpotties, but not enough. So when they have to go, they go in a cup, bucket, bottle, ect. Where do they dump it? Most try a sewer drain, but sometimes there are spills. Is it his fault he's denied going to the bathroom?
Why is the Corona Virus skipping these people?
The homeless have good immunity. They're exposed to so many germs. When the world falls apart, they'll be the survivors.
Permanent homeless need to NOT be in the cities. The amount of tents, trash and these people walking around like the walking dead.
@Franklin MacGillacuddy be the best recycle engineers out there
Nirvezz
Yeah peeing on the sidewalk is street cleaning..., hosing down the area ... just depends on a person’s perspective i suppose...,
Need re-education camps. Everybody has rights until doesn’t disturbe others and the society. In re-education camps they would be refreshed mentally and physically. They main purpose will be only to be the useful part of the society (by their own good behave and living). Tell me that I’m not humane! This “i’ve got rights but don’t have duty” and “I’m a free man in a free country” bullshxttings kill the society, infect ppl’s mind and creat new problems and in the end of the day, they don’t know what the real issue is and talking about “tolerance”. (Obviously the bad tax system which is rooted in greediness and wild capitalism plays a big role in it too). Question is: do you really feel good being a wild capitalist rich and being a blind veeeery tolerant one meanwhile the shxt suffocates you? Okay man, then live like that... but I’m just telling that it’s not that America what was spoken about (mostly if you compare it with the rest of the world). Let’s hope the future will wake ppl up and will admit that this infectious “free man in a free country” demoralizing attitude and mindset drives nowhere but to a sure downfall what the examples has been showing. Better future! Love U.S.
So you think they should go to rural areas?
@@michaelcassady1289 middle of the desert if possible..
Did I hear that right?! They allow these people to continue to use alcohol or drugs in these Town Homes. What kind of help is that!
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@Total Control 871 I totally agree. The shelters are like prison without the bars.
I know its not helpful. But maybe they can at least try nd get them treatment while they are housed and talk them into it just a thought dont tear me a new one for a thought
Your tax dollars hard at work!
and I am sure a lot more than that
This is why we need lower taxes. Government wants to tax hard working americans and give other people free housing and drugs.
Even if lowering taxes it won't help the problem because most homeless don't want get better in live they like the live they living....
@Don Paulino De La Paz By your estimation, it’s costs less than $1,000 to house and feed someone for a year?
@Don Paulino De La Paz Way to go, in a matter of moments you went from feeding and housing every single American for a year, to feeding and housing the homeless for a month. This is why people with brains ask questions and people like you with your grand plans never get anywhere.
@Don Paulino De La Paz I’m clearly referring to your original statement.
@Don Paulino De La Paz - giving handouts will just provide more bums
How many people in those "safe havens" end up attacked by someone drunk or on drugs? When people refuse help, and endanger the public by their behavior, there needs to be action.
so youre mad because somebody decided to actually house the homeless?? i thought you wanted them off the streets? which is it hmmm???
@@symbolic503 Placing dangerous and/or crazy people into a building doesn't resolve the core issues. Allowing such people into places with vulnerable victims is a recipe for disaster.
One thing that could be done is to actually hold mentally ill people who can't manage for themselves in facilities. Some people aren't able to care for their own needs, and many are actually a danger to others. Another thing would be to not enable those who could manage, but choose not to do so, to live on the street, trashing everything, using public areas as toilets, assaulting people, being under the influence of drugs and alcohol, etc. You or I would be arrested for much of the behavior that homeless people are allowed to get away with, because some cities make it easy for them.
@@symbolic503 yes the system is broken, you rubbing it in on yt posts with this bs ultimatum was super helpful👌! Thanks dude 🤫🤔💁♂️
@@symbolic503 THANK YOU! At least someone has eyes and a brain here in the chat -- and double thanks for pointing out the glaring hypocracy in the discourse on the matter...the true answer to that question, however, is just as obsurd a the hypocracy itself im afraid..but lets see if we cant find at least one honest person to answer that for us in good faith....id be surprised if we do
hard to imagine they allow alcohol and drugs. There is no hope for these people.
Free to live in filth? A roof over your head is incarceration?
I want to know the life stories of these individuals, because I need see where they got these ideas.
The shelters are very strict have so many rules is why most think that way .
From my experience, some of the workers who work in shelters are corrupt, they really don’t take care of the people who live there, and these were shelters for homeless veterans.
Republicans are playing politics and Democrats are letting them do it. 🤮🍑💨
I've been in and out of many shelters with my mother and it is hell if you have never been homeless or been in a shelter how the hell would you know? You are a scumbag
No one wants to stay on the street. They just don't want to be in shelters. I'm homeless and live in my car and it's preferable to living in a shelter. I have PTSD and can't live with others near me.
If you were offered an apartment, would you go?
@@winros I would take an apartment in a hot minute. Where I live, studios are going for $2000.
@patriciaanndemello4652 That's the difference, A lot of these homeless people will not take an apartment! They would rather just stay on the streets ... They feel more comfortable. I wish you the best!✌️
Imagine the navigation centers festering with bed bugs and lice.....
"navigation centers"????? please explain. you live in Zimbabwe or Belize or somewhere??
I bet if we gave them free drugs they would come to the shelters even more🙄
@Aubrey well that would solve the problem too.
More affordable housing is all I ever hear the solution is and the problem just gets worse every day. The homeless need to be divided into groups and then solutions need to to be made for each group. Families with children or single mothers with children need immediate assistance and shelter, healthy minded individuals who can actually hold down a job but just fell on hard times need transitional housing and help finding employment and if CA is too expensive to live you need to move, the mentally ill need to be admitted into mental health facilities, drug addicts need in patient rehab and the rest of the bums who choose to live on the streets need to be told you can't live on a public sidewalk in a tent. Change the laws or enforce the laws. It is not fair to tax paying citizens, it destroys surrounding businesses, hurts tourism, is unsanitary and creates a health crisis for everyone. This is so out of hand now it is mind blowing and really sick and embarrassing for the U.S.
One of the main solutions is to get them out of LA if they are there less than 10 years. Because for whatever reason they come there, they haven't found it. Miserably failed and ended up in the streets. Go let them be "free" in Ohio or whatever their hometown is. If they want to be "free" so desperately.
LeeMG2011 well said
Well stated! There are homeless people who do want help, but I've heard from some of those that the "resistant" ones get more aid, and those who can change, and want to, get less. People like that one guy should be jailed, and forced to clean the streets.
This makes perfect sense... why the higher ups can’t do the same is beyond me.
KIDS need immediate shelter. If their parents are junkies, crazy, or both then their kids should be taken away from them immediately.
2200 off the street. Ok. We have 40,000 in the city alone. Vast majority are service resistant. Vote out the city council and the mayor. Repeal felony to misdemeanor categorizations of Prop 47 and 57.
think it's closer to 60,000....................
I think that’s the county count, but yeah- you’re probably right even they don’t really know the #. And more are coming here daily for: the weather, easy access to very cheap drugs (compared to Midwest, northern and southern areas this is well documented in interviews), the city councils incorrect and tolerant interpretation of Boise V Martin that smaller city’s are interpreting to the letter to avoid open street camping, thousands were sent by families recruited by fraudulent rehab facilities due to CA’s Obamacare policy where you get three months of free rehab and when the money is up -they are on the streets. There are prosecutions going after theses places. They also come due to needing money for the avail cheap drugs- and you don’t go to jail for most felony crimes since 2014 since Prop 47 and 57 like burglary, theft, assault, and some really scary stuff on the list as they have all been reduced to misdemeanors. So why wouldn’t you come here? My neighbors door was kicked in and robbed, the guy was caught 4 times and had 7 other counts against him ON CAMERA. He’s back on the street because the county jails across CA have been filled by Jerry Brown signing AB 109 which moved high level felons to county jails. There is no room, and the DA’s office is overwhelmed with cases even if there was room. We haven’t built a prison (or a dam... ahem water problems anyone, freeways...?) since the 1970’s and we have tripled in size. We actually have a very low count of prisoners per capita yet we are the most populace state. However the politicians want to shut down prisons instead of taking the care to reform any issues they have. Yes they could be massively overhauled. The great California experiment is starting to go bad...Just like the UK, the Labour Party got what they deserved and the CA voter is getting theirs. I hope they wake up stop focusing on Federal political BS that does not effect you on a day to day basis. Get to know who your state reps and council reps are. 90% have NO idea who they are. It’s shocking. Call them, give them hell on the phone and vote them out if they don’t address problems. They don’t get elected by large margins because no one votes in local elections.
@@A-Negative , yup that's why we sold our family ranch after 87 yrs. 11 yrs. ago Sacramento ruined the state now they want more taxes 12.5 %. Glad we moved to S.C. on 27 acres on a saltwater river taxes $ 6,342.07 and catch shrimp off our dock at night. Local government is great as are the people. We were brainwashed...
Wait a minute....you can come and go as you please, and you can have DRUGS AND ALCOHOL!!!! Give me a break.
"I don't wanna be told what to do" buddy your living in a tent on the sidewalk your game plan hasn't been working too good maybe you need to be told what to do.
It's amazing to see how weak the United States has become over the years it's a shame
Too many sensitive pansies now. I say dump them in the desert and let them have their own community or take them to an island
@@valarmorghulis3773 right
@Saya X agreed
Still better than your country. That's why you come to us way more than we go to you, to live, if anyone ever moves to your country.
@@robertklone8437 who's country
Our sorry excuse of a mayor in LA should stand up to this mess. He needs to go. It’s pathetic to see how DTLA looks like
Giving them free housing without Case Management is asking for more trouble!
Freedommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want the freedom to be a loser, to have no ambition and to be happy being just free. What happened to Freedom? What happened to it?!
Nothing like a bunch of people using drugs in shelters and public housing !
We let them use drugs and alcohol because we want them to succeed. Lmaooo!!!!
Next they will give them money so they won't pan handle.
Smart think.
Give them enough and they will succeed.
Did he actually say that freedom is using the bathroom where he wants to, (as he motioned to the sidewalk)? That is so ignorant. Why can't these career homeless people find a place outside the city limits (like the desert) to live, then they can pee and poop whenever and wherever the want. I am so glad I live far from cities.
They'd leave the desert after sunset and make their way back to a city.
I’m moving wayyyyy out! Due to this issue, high crime, and horrible over population here in Houston. Homeless everywhere begging for money. Hell no! I’ve worked since age 18.
I sure hope he did not mean the bathroom thing literally. But it definitely helps show that the differences in people does not end by being homeless. Go getters and do nothing's are a reality. A one size fits all policy does not work for everyone. Period. Monetize the homeless or help us? Peace
They should get arrested or deported like in Dubai.
@@myhomelesslifestyle7857 From what I've been watching, some homeless people actually do pee and poop on the sidewalks....that's gross and something should be done. You would think that the city could have portable toilets available for them. Being homeless is not all drugs and mental issue people, I know that but what to do to help the others, I don't know and evidently either does the city leaders.
I was homeless for a while. Because I worked, as much as I could, shelters were always full. It was nicer just to find a spot, I didn't drink at all, or use drugs. But never got in on time, no matter the situation.
Anyone who thinks is just simple to fix, take a week in disguise and sleep outside. Most of the complainers wouldn't last 2 days.
99% of these self proclaimed "experts" on homelessness would be humbled in just a couple hours on a windy winter night in Philly.
Its not about being comfortable or being able to live on the streets. Its WHY they are there. Are they there because they have no other place to go? Are they there because they want to be? Are they causing problems ? Most the time, its drugs and mental illness which cause this and all we are doing is allowing it to continue. People with mental illness need treatment. People with addiction need treatment.
@buzz-86 your your very right I have a brother who did well after 12 yr prison sentence then lost his wife and kids due to reasons only he knows but he went down hil5fasr lost his mind I say half is mental illness and other half is drugs sad cuz I ward to help him but when he started to threaten my life and kids life's I had to step aside it's so hard
It's hard to help people who don't want to help themselves.
It's not safe for the rest of us who are motivated to work and do our part as a productive member of society.
There by the grace of God go you. Homelessness can happen to anyone at anytime.
@@IIII...... you need to volunteer at a homeless shelter because you're obviously very ignorant about the subject. In the future, try commenting on things you actually have real information on.
@@patriciaanndemello4652 . Most of these people are lazy. I guarantee a majority of homeless people are not mentally ill and physically able to work. They just choose to be lazy wastes of space that harass people for money at intersections or leech money from government assistance.
@@patriciaanndemello4652 how so?
@@Andre-jp4yt many reasons. House burns, losing work, not being able to afford rent, etc.
There's No freedom stuck in poverty
Its true many shelters are worse than jails. Bad food, disrespected by staff, random mentally insane roommates, no preparing for independence. Its just like punishment for being poor. You dont understand unless you went through it
A lot of them don’t want to abide by any rules or regulations.
2:53 You mean all this time I could have been urinating in public with impunity? So much wasted time in bathrooms!
Time to call professional street sweepers. The firing squad division.
I've been to a shelter, took hours to get in,only to have to sleep outside in a gated cement ground. when I wanted to leave in the middle of the night to find a better place to sleep they told me no. I understand alittle bit of their circumstance, but 10 years in the same sidewalk. my broda you've got a problem.
I don't do drugs and I work but if I had to pay rent anywhere I wouldn't have anything
Same here. We do what we have to do to exist.
Only thing I think about it with living the way I do is when I get older I won't be able to do the work I do now by then I'll be no more health coverage
If the roommate thing works for some but you can end with bad credit fast if one of the 4 roomates dont pay. I think micro apartments that are 20 percent of minimum wage. Problem with that is all the people paying high rent will jump on cheap one. There is no fixing this because for every action theres a reaction. The guy making 100k wow micro apt. I can save a bundle living there. We are screwed no control poor will continue to fill our streets. Get use to it people this is how the game of monopoly is played.
Well get educated in some kind of trade . So you can make resl money like an adult. Not working at McDonald's. Those are jobs kids.
Maria Bartik agreeed. I put myself in some debt at 29 to go finish college, I’ve got a nice job now. And this is without financial aid, I straight up paid as I went with rent and bills on top of it. It’s doable to go through school and be an adult at the same time. Those that complain just really don’t want it that bad. Stop making excuses and start finding paths is what I’d like to say to everyone. It’s ok to eat potatoes and only drink water for a bit if it means you can build a better future.
If they don't like the shelters, they could always get a job. Take care of yourself and your family. It's nobody else's responsibility to cater to you.
Jeremy Simms jobs don’t pay enough. One reason for people living homeless
Khayyam Ali jobs don’t pay enough. Really? Try living in another country in the world then let me know when you’d like to come back to the US.
Agreed with the guy above me. Work hard. That’s the opportunity you’re given in the Us. Not a guaranteed future.
@Black ICE that was true, in 1965. Not today, and not for three decades, since 1980. WTF are YOU???
Having to work a mind-numbing minimum wage job to earn just about enough to pay for a rundown home in a dangerous neighborhood is a poor incentive to coming off the streets.
But you dont feel that way about politicians, right?
I don't want our taxes paying for a program that tries to help people who don't want to help themselves.
Bums, self-MADE bums, quit enabling them
This is insane and deluded.
The solution is also called that. And therefore it won't happen because bleeding hearts won't allow the solution.
I know the answer to the title. Per the law that exist in CA they can do whatever they want. And still get gov assistance. And the laws are super lenient towards homeless individuals because they dont want tot target them. Its a protected class of people.
People with drug priors don't qualify for food stamps in LA county.
Work on the root cause. If you give them shelter, they must attend drug or alcohol treatment. Dont make it, kick them out. Behavioral health is the root cause that isn't being addressed
Yeah I appreciate your compassion and in a vacuum you are right but I don’t think you understand the scope of the problem, and why they are coming here. It’s multilayered, an environment created by a raft of terrible policies and the politicians are pocketing developer money while the public is being stabbed. I don’t know if you’ve ever dealt with chronically mentally ill or an addict - it will change you forever and beat you down emotionally.
Totally agree ,if you watch the stories about teenagers using drugs and living at home ( solution is simple kick them out especially after they start pawning your China )
Agreed but it shouldnt be like if you relapse your automatically disqualified for life. Drugs are hard to quit mmmkay.
I think that is what's going on in New York. But it wasn't explained properly. They're allowed to use stuff inside, but once they're in they also get treated.
@Dee Cee Dr. Drew Pinsky is agressively working this issue in LA and has a strategy that will work if only elected officials will listen and assist. LA isn't the only city with this issue and others around LA and neighboring counties have had an increase.
I like helping the homeless because most have legit problems (housing crisis, medical bills for cancer, no family, severe mental health, etc.), but these people can go out in the desert.
"allowed to use alcohol and drugs"...guess why they were and are still a burden to society.
If we help the people who really WANT a home (and that is MOST homeless), then dealing with the few that don't want a home will be much simpler.
Finland has recently found that giving a home to the homeless actually COSTS LESS than the stingy way the U.S. is dealing with the problem.
I go to work at 3 AM and those homeless people must have a death wish because they cross the street wherever and whenever they want. Even when a car is approaching and in a dark part of the street they'll just step out. I've had some close calls and witnessed others. Just a matter of time when someone gets run over . Hope it isn't me.
I knew someone who lived like that, and actually died from walking in front of a car. No one could help that person, either; he didn't want to do anything to change.
I’ve seen them accidentally or even purposely step in front of the Blue Line light rail train in Los Angeles.
He'll stay living on the streets until he gets a better "live for "free" offer Or until legislature enacts responsible laws that prohibits living in tents & boxes on the streets.
Homelessness has become a public health issue. I was homeless but I chose to lay low about it. I was up at dawn. I kept where I was staying clean. I even picked up teash. Some LAPD knew I was there but didn't bother me because they sern I was keeping the area clean. I even cleaned along the street and hwy when I had no work for the day.
Hope you’re doing better now
Good for you. I never quite understood why homeless places are so trashy and dirty. I would be like you and my area would be tidy to say the least. I think a lot of the problem people have with a lot of the homeless is the filth and the druggies. We were poor growing up, but we could always afford a bar of soap and we were never dirty.
How did you get out of your situation?
@@Gxport I got sober. Moved away from L.A.
As long as they vote Democrat they will be provided for, no incentive to improve.
I'd say higher minimum wage is an incentive
Perhaps having red states stop sending blue states their homeless population might help.
No it's not. Work harder and become skilled. People dont want to grow they want to simply receive. Hard work is it's own reward. I had to learn this myself and it's worth it. Pride In your accomplishments is what life is about. That's why so many entitled people are using illegal drugs and legal antidepressants.
That was a reply to Barry Scott
@@IIII...... Yeah, they send their homeless population elsewhere.
He can go somewhere else then.
I pay taxes for the streets and roads.
Your city is also your home you pay for.
Amber Walters Actually, we can. Plenty of communities out in the Mojave desert or Nevada they can live in. There they can continue urinating and defecating outdoors, throw all their litter and dirty needles wherever they want, living in gross and smelly tents, screaming and attacking each other like maniacs, and being worthless disease spreading filth to their hearts content until a coyote eats them.
There's No Such Thing as "Deep Cleaning" on Skid Row 😕
i get what the guy is saying about shelters being a form of incarceration. Shelters are not good environments for longterm use. After a while you get tired of it. Shelters really need to have lists for permanent housing available to offer those who can demonstrate decency. Also they need to have general day labor programs so people can save up money.
You stay on the street because you don't smoke, do drugs, drink alcohol, OR SNORE. The SNORING was what got to me, as I had to be at the Labour Agency by no later than 4:45 a.m. to get a days' work. I need my sleep. No "shelter" pour moi.
bus them out to the desert in the middle of the night…. to be free...
Some of these shelters are run very poorly. Maybe someone ought to look into those.
This is why "universal income" won't solve this problem.
If a homeless person WANTS to stay homeless because they dont want to abide to society's rules, then they should be dumped on an island or in the desert. Mail them a bag of rice once a month.
I say give them nothing, if they want to live that way. Plus, if they toss trash, or use thee bathroom on the street, or use drugs, or are violent, arrest them. Jail for all of that, and for camping in public places, and work gangs to clean up. This would resolve a lot of these issues so fast.
Give them nothing, they can't pick and choose. Don't say I want I want taxes to pay my way but don't want help?
And some seeds so they can plant their own crops, better hope the harvest is good next season or they wont eat. They need that type of motivation.
sup_ monica as if they were all Asian with that bag of rice lol
Drunks and addicts will never do that, unless they get booze and drugs sent too. Others might.
And his name is Darwin too..... Oh C'mon Now! Apocalypse is not happy at all...
Maybe some of these people who are experts in homelessness should go incognito and put themselves in those experiences and see exactly why so many people fear shelters. It's not always irrational thinking. I thought the same way until I became friends with a few people that had lived in the NYC shelter system 5-10 years ago. Homelessness issues are extremely oversimplified and stigmas toward them are mostly incorrect. Each case is unique and varies greatly from person to person. Thats probably why it is so difficult to fix this problem with cookie cutter or "one size fits all" programs.
Precisely! 👏
WELL SPOKEN!!!! 🙏
The amount of people in comment sections saying "just get a job" "just live in your car" "just get food stamps" "just wOrk haRder liKe mE" is disgusting. The sheer capacity for ignorance and assholery in the us is unfathomable.
@@daviddorito4980 They are not being disgustiing these are just facts! If someone chooses not to get up and go find work, thats on them! You either choose to work or you dont!
@@iammeiamme9666okay so if I find a disabled veteran with their legs blown off and the only job around is construction what are they supposed to do? Get up and work?
I was traveling in Dubai. I was shocked zero crime, zero homeless. Woman respected like a God.
Some of those people are having the time of their lives and they don't even realize it
What if someone wants to stay homeless ? I they should do so like the ‘hobos’ down by the old railroad tracks which are no longer in use.
You arrest them for health violations .
iridefast1 wish they could... can’t arrest them for major crimes the politicians changed major felonies to misdemeanors. Even if they could there is no place to jail them. You can thank AB 109 for that.
And, put them in forced labor gangs to clean the streets they trashed.
@@LadyGreenEyes964 agreed, but the problem is that these wacko SJWs would file a lawsuit claiming it to be “inhumane”, or some stupid nonsense like that.
@@princessmarlena1359 Working off a crime isn't inhumane, though. Of course, they think being arrested for one is "racist", so...
@@LadyGreenEyes964 oh I agree. It’s such a mess, the whole thing.
Somebody needs to inform that man that NO ONE is free. We ALL have to do things we don't want to do. And generally speaking, it is better for us than otherwise.
as long as they get free stuff and people give to they can suport their habits they wont get jobs or do anything for them slefs.
@@138zombie : Maybe you should ask yourself WHY nobody is free? A society that does not pursue freedom is heading towards failure! Freedom is the opposite of security. If you need to be secure, then you are not free! A homeless person is totally free. They have no responsibilities or ties to things that would limit them. Their actions and decisions have total influence on their day and their tomorrow. Very few outside forces dictate their life. In contrast, a death row inmate in a maximum security prison has total security; that's why it's called 'maximum security.' Three square meals a day, a roof, a bed, some light recreation or entertainment and total limitation. Their actions and decisions have almost zero influence on their day and tomorrow. They are completely dictated by outside forces. While these examples are extreme, they are correct. We cannot pursue both freedom and security in respect to the same issue.
If I want total freedom in where I live, I'll end up in hotels, my car, or camping each night. But if I want a secure and stable place to live, I'll sign a lease or mortgage and give up the freedom to move on a whim. It is a shame that our society is built to foster security that is the opposite of freedom. That's why America is a Police State (lots of security) that is anti-freedom.
They are not homeless they are nomads.. that is why you don’t allow folks to sleep on the street
"We want to give them the best chance possible, so we allow them to use drugs and alcohol"
Make it illegal to live on the streets, then provide sober living apartments... Either live in sober living or prison. Then have a force detox, then drug tests, education classes, & social living classes. Problem solved. Once graduated from classes & on meds, make them do 10-20 hrs of community service each week to pay for program & build scheduling & structure.
Problem solved!
But what about mah -addiction- "freedom"...
But your prisons are full of drugs?
There's nothing we can do because they have to do it for themselves
Wow, I didnt know that New York had cleaned up their homeless problem so well. Sounds like LA could learn a lot from this.
A big difference between cleaning up in an uplifting way or just hiding the problem from public view. Chasing us around to keep us from having a somewhat permanent location is considered help? Really? By whom? All situations are not the same for sure. And may actually be an inconvenience to a positive effort to improve oneself. I am a New Yorker. We need a realistic solution. Not just a visual one. Peace
I don’t want to pay taxes. ‘I want to be free to use the bathroom when I want to’ I think he means where I want to. That says it All. Spoiled adults if you ask me.
no homeless person WANTS to be homeless, owning a home comes with massive responsibility that puts pressure on the individual to stay consistent. When you're suffering mentally or from substance abuse, you don't have the energy to stay consistent with paying the ridiculous housing bills. I've been homeless for 10 years, on and off, having a safe place to sleep in and a warm shower was always better. No person should want to be homeless to feel "free"...our system is screwed up.
When he gets a better offer?! Wha 😳 Must be nice "Lyfe Jennings voice"
People that want to be homeless should get their checks cut off and no snap ebt. If they want help, have them join a program where they learn basic computer skills, do a resume, and fill out applications. Provide them with place to stay, and help them with clothes for work.
There are actual solutions to fix this mess, but unfortunately a lot of shady/incompetent politicians want to keep this problem going as an excuse to raise taxes and pocket the money.
So drug addicts get more help than people who are genuinely in crisis, its ridiculous
Many thanks to NBC Los Angeles for this investigative report. Outstanding (and also depressing) series.
The city cares more about homeless than it’s productive citizens. Imagine that. Truly insane
@@aimaxb7920 maybe if you dont let them get to that point... that would help? we need to be PROACTIVE not REACTIVE. there is a massive mental health problem in this country
yup shelters are like incarcaration. getting barked orders at being robbed. putting up with all noise smells theft and assault in shelters. its not the way to house them in beds lined up its demeaning
When he said “alcohol and drugs” I lost it 😂
The fact is whether you are on the street, renting, or in a shelter you will always be told what to do if you want to be a free man find an abandoned island. I feel for all homeless but no one is really a free man and that's the truth.
I'll admit I support getting homeless people off the street. But I wonder, how is this different than the old days when poorer people in tenements were encouraged to move into 'projects' where they might do better? That turned out kinda bad...
Homeless community: "Let's move to New York!!!"
I love yall for helping people like Mr. Swindell. Thank you
What if you want to live on the street so you can have money and you don't do drugs?
Then by all means...live on the street.
@@ddfred2u you're missing the point I wouldn't have money if I had an apartment is it worth having an apartment to you if you don't have any money for yourself but just enough for rent?
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@Chris Anthony I'm not missing your point at all; If you work, can't afford an apartment and basic necessities and want to live on the street (like you stated in the post I commented on) to save money...go ahead! I used to live in California and left due to the crazy liberal policies that you are now feeling the consequences of; why live in a state with a ridiculous cost of living, more people living in poverty than any other state, more illegal immigrants than any other state and more people on public assistance than any other state. I, for one, refuse to support your population through my state taxes and wish I had more say in how my federal taxes are wasted.
ok. I should have worded it differently. I work but just don't make enough money to afford anyting after paying a monthly rent. And I chose to be homeless so I can have some spending money without any government handouts and still isn't much. It really has to do with my choices early in life and hesitating excetera now I'm paying for it. Have a merry Christmas. Oh wait that's not politically correct. Happy holidays lol.
@@chrisanthony5714 Merry Christmas may not be politically correct, but I prefer it as it! Merry Christmas to you too.
i dont understand how they get carts from stores
i always thought when the store closes for good they take the leftover carts
this is fascinating
So if I become a meth addict and live on the streets I can get a free place and get high as a kite everyday..
I lived in apt bldg with alcoholics/drug addicts. I didnt know it at the time until after i moved in. Well it almost burned down. Guy was drunk and put shrimp on the stove. Fell asleep. Guess who had to leave their apt bc of a FIRE. I hope they provide meals bc they can burn the place down. Have a lot of exits & sprinklers
I'm just looking at the title. Sometimes people who are mental prefer being in the streets or some prefer it over a shelter. Some people feel less safe in a shelter or they don't want to abide by rules. They have to be in or out by a certain time and obviously no drinking or drugs on the premises. Rules that are great for those who don't have those issues.
People get robbed and belittled in homeless shelters constantly that's why I'm never going back. Been there done that. And the amount of people in this comment section that are apparently experts at being homeless is astounding.
1:26 -- "But the bigger draw is what's NOT here: there's no curfews, and *residents are allowed to use alcohol and drugs."*
CUT TO MAN WHO RUNS SHELTER: "We want to set people up to succeed, not set them up to fail."
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Shelters are like jail...
They are scary. People are preyed upon by others in the shelters!!!
There are people that are ok not working and living in the streets, they dont have responsibilities. My uncle is 55 and living in my Grandparents garage. He doesn't pay a dime and is perfectly happy getting GR and getting high on meth whenever he pleases.. go figure
They want to be homeless and live outside, fine. Send them to the desert away from urban cities.
1:54 that's good they help.they don't have that in California
...They should be inside a facility...or housing for PREVENTING them and surroundings citizens from any reactions they have. Some of them are not physically and mentally okay. And it is embarrassing, people from coming from other countries see this. Seriously Government, Mayors and POLITICIANS of California should be focusing in this too. This is a very IMPORTANT issue that is not resolved for years.
Cut housing lower rent lower price, or did you get that warm feeling of more.
The landlord
I am bothered by the fact that their "freedom" comes at my expense! My tax dollars clean their sidewalk toilets as they block my ability to walk on a city sidewalk. Choosing to be a parasite who doesn't contribute to society doesn't sit well with me. I don't know the solution to this problem, but It seems pretty clear that aiding, abetting and condoning this behavior is not the right answer.
Current mood 0:57 lmao
people "consider recovery with removal of pressure to be sober" 😳😳
“You gotta be told what to do”. meaning “I can’t do no drugs up in that biotch”.
He wants to be free he cannot hold a job then there are rules everywhere even with animals in the wild i dont feel bad for him
You see how quickly they are able to hold down a job when welfare stops and they are charged to the fullest extent of the law for panhandling!!??
I was evacuated do tobthe floods here in California. Some homeless people were affected by the flood but some were just mooching. It was very frustrating for me the sit in that shelter with the mentality I'll. I have two children and was scared. Happy everyone was nice and enjoyed the sounds of my children. I'm for sure planning to avoid shelters and you should to. Talk to your family about being each other's shelter.
Happen, just give me, give me. Everything free.
Build some wells, and solar energy. And let them camp out in the deserts until they want to come back to a shelter.
It's such a complex issue. Seems like there are as many potential solutions as there are actual homeless people! Nevertheless, I thought the report was informative, balanced, and helpful. Thanks for posting.
Agreed. Unfortunately there are unscrupulous activities that go on in outreach agencies. One on one time as well as money is wasted elsewhere. Sad. More than one issue for sure. Peace
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