Nick Ross and Sue Cook present. Cases include the murders of Helen Gorrie in Hampshire, An armed robbery Perton and Michael Towler in Bradford, West Yorkshire. Sorry for the sound quality!!
Analogue signal interference, makes me remember the days when either a screwdriver or a wire hangar were the only alternatives to having a TV without a Ariel lead.
I thought I was losing it for a second! I was thinking, "Is someone using a ham radio or something?", Lol....Haven't heard that sound in a long, long time! lol
How to survive according to Crimewatch: don't live alone, don't have money (and live alone), don't be young, female and go out at night (or live alone), don't be gay and live alone, don't be elderly and live alone or have money, don't work for a security firm or shop that handles large amounts of money, don't be a kid, don't ever open your car door, basically...
I would add don't work for a bank or be a bank manager, for a armed robbery the preparation is to steal vehicle(s), preferably a Ford Sierra or Vauxhall Cavalier. if you're a police officer and witness or are sent to an armed robbery (or any other crime) don't try to be a hero call for back up, because you're likely to be shot or stabbed. If you're a woman don't get into a car that you think is a cab. If you see yourself on the reconstruction, please call in otherwise you're considered a suspect.
@@kdwskdws I didn't miss the internet, or the crap on the 200 channels. People actually got on with their lives without staring at a phone. No social media! The 90s was the best decade precisely because it was the last decade before mass internet use.
I clearly remember watching this one when I was 12, because of the the Towler case. I had relatives in Bradford and we went there regularly throughout the '80s and '90s, so I distinctly remember seeing the Hare and Hounds pub in this episode (we used to pass that pub a lot). I also remember seeing the tomato soup mug in the reconstruction - I saw some of those soup mugs in a charity shop the other day and was wondering when the "soup mug reconstruction" would be shown. That minor mystery is solved. Alas, it seems that Michael Towler's murder still isn't. It's strange that, in the intro to the reconstruction, Nick Ross mentions the possibility of a partner of Michael being responsible, but not a homophobic attacker.
The “homosexual partner” phrase was used a lot throughout the 1990s. In Denis Nilsen’s case, Carol Barnes of ITN News used the phrase to refer to one of the many hacked up bodies discovered in Nilsen’s flat. She really meant, “victim”. In this case, as you say, Nick Ross really meant “homophobic attacker”. Michael’s case still hasn’t been solved in 2024, according to Wikipedia’s list of unsolved murders. I don’t know how regularly they update that though.
If Crimewatch were to cover an incident involving a missing child, a travelling fair, a Sierra RS500 Cosworth, and a Securicor blag. it would be like some sort of über Crimewatch compendium...
do we get to hear about them now? Lucy Letby would have been headline news for weeks back then - now it's just 'celebrities' and other varieties of frou-frou.
Mishandling or destruction of old evidence. There are cases of people getting charged decades later after minor infringements requiring dna. The police were also quite poor, and some might say still are. Computer databases have also helped a lot. As have cctv and car registration tracking cameras. Many reasons.
People stood about on the street are probably scoring and waiting for their dealer. That's why people dont come forward. Not every instance obviously but it can explain some.
@@rs-mq5qp Same here! I was moving it around and then paused the video to test whether it was actually on the recording. That would've driven me mad if I'd not realised!
These wherenoises of interferences one got with VHS players. Either from playing it or moreoften from the m agnetic interferencewith the speakers of the TV. At least that is what they said then.
I agree. What they put that man through was absolutely disgusting. And to think after all they did to him he only got seven hundred thousand compensation yet the police lady who helped in the honey trap got over twice as much. Horrendous miscarriage of justice.
Helen Gorrie's murder was _temporarily_ solved. John Corcoran was jailed for life in December 1999, but the conviction was overturned on appeal in January 2003 on the basis that the judge had misdirected the jury in his summing up remarks. The police decided not to re-open the investigation and in those days there was no double jeopardy rules in effect. Corcoran had also been charged with the r-pe of a 14 year old girl in 1990 but I can't find any information on that case. The Milton Keynes attacker turned out to be then-22 year old Richard Leadbeater who eventually pleaded guilty. He was a family man with young children. Later on, he remarried and in 2001 was arrested for hitting his second wife, at which point the police took a DNA sample. In March they discovered a match and he was jailed for life in December 2001. The murder of Michael Towler remains unsolved.
He actually loves the attention. He is always popping up on shows talking about it. I think the only reason he came to the polices attention was because he was caught by a woman nude sunbathing on the common. Amazed he hasn't been on any of these reality shows.
@@3littlemaids1 Well no it wasn't a "miscarriage of justice". Justice functioned perfectly well, dismissing the prosecution's case as a load of sleazy garbage.
@@Hi-kq1vi He came to police attention because he returned to the common later that day to walk his dog and got into conversation with a police officer (sent there to guard one of the entrances to the common). On being told there had been a murder there earlier that day, Stagg volunteered the information that he had been on the common around that time. The police officer took his details and he was subsequently focussed on as a suspect. That initial blunder led to an innocent man's life being blighted, and a family being denied justice for 16 years.
Interesting the amount of people who have large amounts of cash at home. I wonder how many other cases aren't reported because the money is dirty or being hidden from the taxman.
It was very common to have cash at home. Most jobs paid cash in an envelope. We weren't quite a cashless society back then. Hence the large robberies in banks, building societies and Post Offices.
It was that bastard Napper all along. Love to of met him in jail. I'd scare him like he did to Rachel and samantha Bisset and little Jazmine. I'd blind the beast.
Helen Gorrie case sounds like a mess-by this point they had already arrested & released at least four men-including her 20 year old brother. Eventually a conviction was obtained in late 1999, but he was released on appeal in 2003-although it seems probable he was the killer, but the trial judge screwed up in his handling of the jury.
Reading up on the case, I'm staggered the man convicted of the murder was later acquitted and released early- looks absolutely certain he was responsible !
This may sound strange but I know someone who lived in Horndean at the same time as the murder. There was rumour in the area that she was seeing her own brother. Something tells me it wasn't him that killed her as he was left at home when she left her house. Who knows!
The bit I don't understand regarding the final reconstruction is that the police started surveillance but still missed the attack? Yes they had a big area to watch, but a lot of the attacks including the one they missed happened near the same pub, you would think that particular spot would be chosen to watch before any other
Uses to watch that-but only for Bunny's young bimbo girlfriend /wife, the other bird who was a bit exotic & wore the bib overall & to see the awful acting.
Yes. But not until nearly a decade later & only because he assaulted his second wife & had a DNA swab taken. www.theguardian.com/theobserver/2003/feb/02/features.magazine27
@@bradnixon6220He was convicted and imprisoned in 1999. Then released on appeal in 2003, due to the judge making a cock-up when he was summing up before the jury. The police said they aren’t looking for anyone else, but the case remains officially unsolved. There was speculation in 2018 after one of Prof David Wilson’s docos that it might have been Peter Tobin, but not been proven. So yeah, another bungled investigation. Peter Towler from this episode also unsolved.
@Kulj Heer no the put all there eggs in one basket with no solid evidence as soon as he said he was walking his dog and that’s what the witness’s said as well but gettin the woman police officer to write him letters is entrapment lazy incompetent at best but I’d still say corrupt
Analogue signal interference, makes me remember the days when either a screwdriver or a wire hangar were the only alternatives to having a TV without a Ariel lead.
No someone left their mobile to close to the VCR lol
I thought I was losing it for a second! I was thinking, "Is someone using a ham radio or something?", Lol....Haven't heard that sound in a long, long time! lol
It reminds me of getting a busy signal when you call someone and they're on the phone with someone else. Damn, now I'm aging myself...lol
It's so ignoring
I moved the video on as it's irritating
Eldorado trailer at the beginning..perhaps the biggest crime of all. Spending 10 million of licence fee payers' money on that crap.
Covering up for Jimmy Savile and having that nonce's statue at the front of the building might just pip El Dorado.
😂😂😂 my mom loved eldorado my dad used to say it was a pile of sh** was the 90s tho lol
El a doe doe
@@user-zr3pj5tk7k No Eldorado was worse.
Crap? You are being too generous, methinks.
How to survive according to Crimewatch: don't live alone, don't have money (and live alone), don't be young, female and go out at night (or live alone), don't be gay and live alone, don't be elderly and live alone or have money, don't work for a security firm or shop that handles large amounts of money, don't be a kid, don't ever open your car door, basically...
I would add don't work for a bank or be a bank manager, for a armed robbery the preparation is to steal vehicle(s), preferably a Ford Sierra or Vauxhall Cavalier. if you're a police officer and witness or are sent to an armed robbery (or any other crime) don't try to be a hero call for back up, because you're likely to be shot or stabbed. If you're a woman don't get into a car that you think is a cab. If you see yourself on the reconstruction, please call in otherwise you're considered a suspect.
And don't live in anything but an iron fortress
@@spike197047 And don't have nightmares, sleep tight.
And lock your car doors
This has freaked me right out as someone who lives alone lol
Love the old adverts at the beginning! God I miss the 90s.
When did my life become retro nostalgia...?
Me 2
Its the 80s I miss 😢
@@r0s3s4nd_violetz I was going to say exactly the same.
I remember ALL of them... (was 15 when this was broadcast...).
"Michael looked like he was waiting for someone. Was he waiting for you?"
😄 that strikes me as funny
Barrymore
Redcard74, thank you so much! You’re the best!
Wow so many updates! Thank you my man keep it up!
2 terrible crimes. _ . _ Eldorado and don't wait up
Ian Bousfield yeah they both looked like modern day parodies of crap 80s tv
The bbc spent an unbelievable 10 million quid on Eldorado .
@@ianbousfield5007 i quite enjoyed eldorado lol wasn't too bad
@@ianbousfield5007 Pity they didn't spend a million of it on acting lessons for 95% of the cast.
@@tezdryden9009 Admit it, you just watched it for Fizz like me & every other guy.
Cheers Redcard! We’re being spoiled this weekend!
REDCARD YOU ARE AMAZING KEEP UPLOADS COMING IM CRIMEWATCH UK;S BIGGEST FAN
Sue Cook looks like she's just about to go onstage with *the WONDERSTUFF.*
She is a very gracious woman. I should know.
43p for unleaded. Those were the days..
Colin Flowers now it’s almost a quid more. Sad times..
Yes those were the days, with no internet 5 channels at best and international travel literally cost an arm and a leg
@@kdwskdws I didn't miss the internet, or the crap on the 200 channels. People actually got on with their lives without staring at a phone. No social media! The 90s was the best decade precisely because it was the last decade before mass internet use.
Absolutely spot on.
And you could drink it. Or, was that diesel?
These Old Crimewatch Reconstructions Scare Me But I Love Watching Them 😂 I Was Born In 1993, So It's Good To Go Back And Watch...
Same I like to watch them, 1993, well you’re 12 year younger than me 😆
Pussy
Screw off.
17:08-all I can think of is Onslow from Keeping Up Appearances.
thanks great Saturday night viewing .
I clearly remember watching this one when I was 12, because of the the Towler case. I had relatives in Bradford and we went there regularly throughout the '80s and '90s, so I distinctly remember seeing the Hare and Hounds pub in this episode (we used to pass that pub a lot). I also remember seeing the tomato soup mug in the reconstruction - I saw some of those soup mugs in a charity shop the other day and was wondering when the "soup mug reconstruction" would be shown. That minor mystery is solved. Alas, it seems that Michael Towler's murder still isn't. It's strange that, in the intro to the reconstruction, Nick Ross mentions the possibility of a partner of Michael being responsible, but not a homophobic attacker.
The “homosexual partner” phrase was used a lot throughout the 1990s. In Denis Nilsen’s case, Carol Barnes of ITN News used the phrase to refer to one of the many hacked up bodies discovered in Nilsen’s flat. She really meant, “victim”. In this case, as you say, Nick Ross really meant “homophobic attacker”. Michael’s case still hasn’t been solved in 2024, according to Wikipedia’s list of unsolved murders. I don’t know how regularly they update that though.
Ooh, another early upload. Thanks redcard74.
Cheers Redcard. Nice early upload mate
If Crimewatch were to cover an incident involving a missing child, a travelling fair, a Sierra RS500 Cosworth, and a Securicor blag. it would be like some sort of über Crimewatch compendium...
It does make you wonder was 80% of late 80`s/early 90`s crime just raiding securicor vans with a Ford Sierra as a get away car.
Pourche still on the road today with MOT but sierra only lasted until 2004 presumably now in scrap heaven
'The attacks seemed to be random between 5 and 10 in the evening.' 'All happened on the redways.' That sounds more like a pattern than random.
Love the Intro with the old man's face👍😂
Many thanks redcard.
Can anyone explain why some crimes get a reconstruction and some only appear on the incident desk?
The videofit of the ginger haired man in the first case looks like Kathy Burke's character in "Gimme, Gimme, Gimme'
I was thinking Andy Pipkin (Matt Lucas's fake disabled character from Little Britain.)
Oh fuck a duck
Very informative
You've did it again Redcar 74 NO 1
The music was much funkier in the early,90s due to the Acid house scene 😂😂. Trying to keep with it 😂
thanks redcard74
I remember I was so hooked by Between the Lines.
Did they catch the Mr.glover robbery with the paintings, family crest silver and naval sword?
Cheers RedCard74 im struggling to keep up! 😂😁 Hi everyone!
I think the video fit of the man selling the haul of stolen fabric is David Bowie.
Reading online it says Michael Towler was a postie, here it says part-time shop assistant.
I think the Michael towler case is still unsolved
Any info on Armed robbery
BETWEEN THE LINES
The first episode of Gladiators aired 5 days before this episode!!!!!! ;*D
"You will go on my first whistle..."
So many unsolved murders on these crimewatchs fascinating when you think how quick they solve them now 🙈
do we get to hear about them now? Lucy Letby would have been headline news for weeks back then - now it's just 'celebrities' and other varieties of frou-frou.
DNA and CCTV make it a lot less difficult.
@@user-zr3pj5tk7k y aint they solved these old ones then
Mishandling or destruction of old evidence. There are cases of people getting charged decades later after minor infringements requiring dna. The police were also quite poor, and some might say still are. Computer databases have also helped a lot. As have cctv and car registration tracking cameras. Many reasons.
@@NoEurosJustGuilders Not Yet!
Where did you find this ? My Dad's biggest case Helen Gorrie and he's on there.
I had them on tapes, great that your dad is on there. Does he not have it on tape? If not that a great story.
@@redcard7475 no sadly not and have been looking for years so very grateful.
My dad was apparently questioned for that case as he was invited to the wedding at the hall but never attended.
@@imogenstv4196 So it was your dad that killed her. You need to turn him in as it's about time he faced justice.
People stood about on the street are probably scoring and waiting for their dealer. That's why people dont come forward. Not every instance obviously but it can explain some.
10:21 Tell that to Colin Stagg.
is there a strange buzzing sound on this video like a mobile phone ....
yes there is. I thought it was mine but it's not lol
@@rs-mq5qp Same here! I was moving it around and then paused the video to test whether it was actually on the recording. That would've driven me mad if I'd not realised!
Stewart Spaull lol I watch these on my phone usually that’s how I figured that’s it’s not actually my phone
Lol.. I thought I was going crazy !
These wherenoises of interferences one got with VHS players. Either from playing it or moreoften from the m agnetic interferencewith the speakers of the TV. At least that is what they said then.
Evening all
Evening
That picture at 26:46 - who draws these things?
Andre The Giant never got nicked for this either
ikr but consider that they are done from a sqoken descriqtion from a witness.
Drawn by five year-olds usually.
nice story
This was 30 years ago 😲
At 9:16 the police officer calls sue cook “Sir” Does he know something we don’t?😂
Believe me, she is all woman.
RC74 - Leg end !!
What relevance was giving the witness name!?
That Rachel Nickell case photo fit pic of nearby dog walker was blatantly the unfortunate Colin Stagg....
I agree. What they put that man through was absolutely disgusting. And to think after all they did to him he only got seven hundred thousand compensation yet the police lady who helped in the honey trap got over twice as much. Horrendous miscarriage of justice.
Who was using their mobile when tapeing this off the box?
Thought mobiles would be rare back then.
@@gujh03The yuppie solid brick models were plentiful, okay, yah?
Helen Gorrie's murder was _temporarily_ solved. John Corcoran was jailed for life in December 1999, but the conviction was overturned on appeal in January 2003 on the basis that the judge had misdirected the jury in his summing up remarks. The police decided not to re-open the investigation and in those days there was no double jeopardy rules in effect. Corcoran had also been charged with the r-pe of a 14 year old girl in 1990 but I can't find any information on that case.
The Milton Keynes attacker turned out to be then-22 year old Richard Leadbeater who eventually pleaded guilty. He was a family man with young children. Later on, he remarried and in 2001 was arrested for hitting his second wife, at which point the police took a DNA sample. In March they discovered a match and he was jailed for life in December 2001.
The murder of Michael Towler remains unsolved.
Eldorado! 😉 classic between the lines
I loved Between the Lines. I watched it again recently on iPlayer.
@@domoreilly5147 Im a big fan too and consider it up there with Prime suspect. An excellent series,
Anneka!
2:40 Hey Colin Stagg, hope you weren't planning on being able to go out your front door for the next 16 years.
swood1989 I wonder if he was watching at the time? Poor guy was totally shafted by the police.
He actually loves the attention. He is always popping up on shows talking about it. I think the only reason he came to the polices attention was because he was caught by a woman nude sunbathing on the common. Amazed he hasn't been on any of these reality shows.
Yes but it wasn't Colin Stagg another miscarriage of justice
@@3littlemaids1 Well no it wasn't a "miscarriage of justice". Justice functioned perfectly well, dismissing the prosecution's case as a load of sleazy garbage.
@@Hi-kq1vi He came to police attention because he returned to the common later that day to walk his dog and got into conversation with a police officer (sent there to guard one of the entrances to the common). On being told there had been a murder there earlier that day, Stagg volunteered the information that he had been on the common around that time. The police officer took his details and he was subsequently focussed on as a suspect. That initial blunder led to an innocent man's life being blighted, and a family being denied justice for 16 years.
Susie wore most of those rug patterns in the way of jackets and jumpers from the beginning of CW.
Interesting the amount of people who have large amounts of cash at home. I wonder how many other cases aren't reported because the money is dirty or being hidden from the taxman.
It was very common to have cash at home. Most jobs paid cash in an envelope. We weren't quite a cashless society back then. Hence the large robberies in banks, building societies and Post Offices.
Did anyone else find the crime watch theme tune scary when they were young?
Not in the least. I did however, find Saint Nick’s wig slightly unnerving.
Now I know what a ginnel is.
We call it a jitty in East Midlands.
Peter Offer Announcing
First sketch looks like Russ Abbott, the second one looks like Keith Carradine ??!!
Yeah the police really did a good job on this one. Big miss carriage of justice.
Is she the daughter of Mr and Mrs Carriage from Scarborough?
8:30 Good to see a Securicor vehicle that’s not been held up for a change.
I really don't know how people live with their self let alone sleep at night! 😢
Got the wrong man for Rachel.
It was that bastard Napper all along. Love to of met him in jail. I'd scare him like he did to Rachel and samantha Bisset and little Jazmine. I'd blind the beast.
7:28 looks like something from dr who
I thought it was a fat woman-doesn't look male at all. In fact it looks somewhat like the woman making the description-but without the treble chin.
Back when BRITISH tv had BRITISH people in it.
Most of those shows were sent to Gold for their sins
I was to be born 12 days later 27th october 1992 lol
No one cares
@@darshnishah5048 I do😥
I was born on the 24th of October 1992 🎉
@@raphaellacampbell7451 30 soon
@@Ross_Milton 🙃🙃🙃
What was Helen doing going out that late? Especially at the age of 15.
Totally agree I am shocked!!
22:38 Can Andy Capp account for his whereabouts on the night of September 3rd?
26:48 Worzel Gummidge
Looks like rod Stewart after his divorce
Eldorado! 😂
I often wonder whether anyone watched that show unironically
28.15......Got a call coming through?
ant that man walking that dog.... poor guy
Helen Gorrie case sounds like a mess-by this point they had already arrested & released at least four men-including her 20 year old brother. Eventually a conviction was obtained in late 1999, but he was released on appeal in 2003-although it seems probable he was the killer, but the trial judge screwed up in his handling of the jury.
Reading up on the case, I'm staggered the man convicted of the murder was later acquitted and released early- looks absolutely certain he was responsible !
It was my Dad's case and it is devasting the conviction was quashed on a technicality.
This may sound strange but I know someone who lived in Horndean at the same time as the murder. There was rumour in the area that she was seeing her own brother. Something tells me it wasn't him that killed her as he was left at home when she left her house. Who knows!
Don't blame me, blame the person who told me.
Eldorado i remeber that 😂😂
Don't remember these
the interference has wasted this video
ELDORADO
Ice cream.
The description of the rapist is that he has rough hands yet they think he is likely to be unemployed ?
24:50 the story sounds a bit BS to me..
“The sort of place where everyone knows everyone.” In other words, a load of Michael Paines.
8:58 Arnies name in Total Recall!
That's my Dad !
The bit I don't understand regarding the final reconstruction is that the police started surveillance but still missed the attack? Yes they had a big area to watch, but a lot of the attacks including the one they missed happened near the same pub, you would think that particular spot would be chosen to watch before any other
But it's likely he was watching and knew who was around to attack there again.
Watch crime!!! Caught on camera
eldorado, ha, ha.
Uses to watch that-but only for Bunny's young bimbo girlfriend /wife, the other bird who was a bit exotic & wore the bib overall & to see the awful acting.
Was the Milton Keynes rapist caught??
Yes. But not until nearly a decade later & only because he assaulted his second wife & had a DNA swab taken.
www.theguardian.com/theobserver/2003/feb/02/features.magazine27
Yes!
Love how they suggest that guy off himself to the police lol that wouldn't be said now
I think he meant "offer yourself", like to turn yourself in. Made me laugh
Anyone know if Helen’s killer has been caught? Xx
Yes in 1999 convicted John Corcoran
Probably out now
@@bradnixon6220He was convicted and imprisoned in 1999. Then released on appeal in 2003, due to the judge making a cock-up when he was summing up before the jury. The police said they aren’t looking for anyone else, but the case remains officially unsolved. There was speculation in 2018 after one of Prof David Wilson’s docos that it might have been Peter Tobin, but not been proven. So yeah, another bungled investigation. Peter Towler from this episode also unsolved.
I challenged Anneka … and lost. Much the same with Jacqui.
Sound is terrible
Weirdly, I can hear fine.
Problems in eldorado
The problem was Eldorado?
Eldorado! What a terrible programme!
Wandering about at 11.30pm isnt a wise thing to do. At any age..
Go home you old trout.
@ohworldywoo hoo no, I've lived in the UK my whole life. I was born in Holland and my parents were both born in the UK. I only have a sister.
The return of the moustosh
The Rachel nickell case dog walker was the wrong guy and the tried to honey trap instead of doing there job (actual police work)
@Kulj Heer think you need a reality check
@Kulj Heer no the put all there eggs in one basket with no solid evidence as soon as he said he was walking his dog and that’s what the witness’s said as well but gettin the woman police officer to write him letters is entrapment lazy incompetent at best but I’d still say corrupt
Yup, Colin Stag, they framed him good and proper!
It was disgusting how they tried to set him up. Poor guy :(
Can’t u edits adverts watched these all week that pissed u off
17.07 - The reason Peter Towler became a homosexual
Not because he was a Gaylord...?
Colin stagg was Innocent it turned out
But Crimewatch helped finger him...
*Giggity!*