I am sorry but Destiny's point is dumb asf. He said "why don't we call it the Asian virus" because the other countries in Asia didn't start it and had nothing to do with it. He made the point its unfair to name a virus after your ethnicity or country but wants to call it the Asian virus even though that is unfair to other Asian countries who didn't start it.
@Xavier E 1.) Europe isn't a country. 2.) Europe isn't a hostile foreign entity. 3.) Europe isn't running a propaganda campaign against the United States.
@@Master-Of-The-Judgment-Nut-End For real though, it's weird that Destiny takes issue with it, like, why is that the one thing that seems to trigger him so hard.
It is ridiculous because you can cherry pick the statements by providing the worst from one person and give more neutral from the other. For example I can provide Trump - Mexicans - Rapists comment but leave out Hillary - Blacks - Superpredators comment. My "study" now proves Person A is much more damaging.
This dude shows how trying so hard to be nuanced and skeptical of everything can lead you down the path of absolute absurdity. He has so many contradictions in his world view but he thinks his nuance is what is allowing him to maintain all these positions because he doesn’t paint things with a broad brush. He doesn’t understand that logical consistency is not the same thing as circular logic or ideological dogmatism. And ironically, he is suffering from so much motivated reasoning and confirmation bias that he is immune to actual nuance. Very weird but also very scary because I see this as a way many people get lost in these types of discussions.
@@poadude He's just the classic example of a person who has opinions and finds evidence to support them. He misunderstands what he's read, then mistakingly believes his opinion has been validated. As a result, he vastly misrepresents his 'research' to others, or just outright lies since he's certain he's right anyway.
Lewis Brown yeah exactly. I don’t even know if he knows he’s arguing in bad faith, which is kinda scary. This whole “reading the whole study” and nitpicking stats is also really dangerous and I see it all the time from conspiracy theorists or the trump supporters in my family. At a certain point we need to trust some kind of scientific consensus and accept that it is literally impossible to be an expert on every single subject you want to have an opinion on.
@@poadude I find it weird that your family even bothers to look into things. The people in my family who love Boris Johnson and the Tories don't do any reading to support their opinions at all. They just have the opinions and will make some stuff up about why the think the way they do.
@@kiemas12 Ah we have an other person here that failed to pass reading comprehension in school like NuanceBro. I have no idea how you actually manage to frame Destiny the bad faith here and not the crypto-nazi conspiracy theorist dude is beyong me. Have fun struggling with McDonalds job
Haralith I can’t believe you are lecturing/ telling somebody off for being stupid, and then follow it up by misspelling multiple words in your comment. Go back to elementary school.
@@samh8641 I am dyslectic and english is my second language. Of course I would misspell words. That's all you have to say about me? LMFAO have fun also scalling into McDonalds
Why is pinyin even used in English? Adopting secondary spelling systems for use in English seems silly overall. I understand their confusion. It's very confusing to the average Zhou.
@@mypartyisprivate8693 i believe the intention when developing it was to have a consistent(or as consistent as they could make it) representation of the language. The other stuff where they write like "Mao Tse-Tung" or "Lao Tzu" supposedly has no logic to it and iirc and was the ways europeans spelled stuff initially during the colonial times.
@@broquestwarsneeder7617 I wish we simply adhered to specifically chosen unambiguous English conventions rather than for example using "zh" as "j"udge hahaha Better options are available. Sigh, English is a mess.
Previously on Destiny Ball Z...NuanceBro carefully dodged questions, meandering from one topic to the next. The battle between him and Destiny got nowhere, with neither side able to land a decisive blow. So, Destiny began researching the secret to NuanceBro's hidden technique. After researching for 24 hours in the hyperbolic Reddit thread, Destiny is prepared to do battle with NuanceBro. Will NuanceBro's technique work, or has Destiny discovered it's weakness.
@@evanr5871 Really? He disagreed with some stuff that the prez has done. And the nuance regarding covid is the middleground of lockdown and hysteria, vs going back to normal. And this really is a personal attack tirade from Destiny on nuance, so how nuanced can he be about himself? People are kind of biased on the topic "themselves", right?
DNC ISKKK I just found it to be incredibly ironic that a guy literally with the word nuance in his name would argue for the first half hour of the debate for using a naming system that is so much less nuanced than the current system based on the argument of “I dunno, sounds better”
@Etherchannel because he is literally a racist, he’s no centrist, look at the clip destiny watches of nuance bro dog whistling about immigrants and brown people, even though he’s brown himself. He is unironically a race traitor
He doesn’t have any good reasons except the technicality that it originated in China and he sticks to his guns because it’s a pretty easy subject to wax and wane and eventually be able to say “well it still technically originated in China”. I still have to finish this debate and maybe watch some of his content to flesh out what this dude’s deal is.
He just shifts back and forth between "I don't see the problem with it" and then when Destiny explains the problem he goes back to "Well, I don't really care what people call it"
@@misterdemocracy3335 Covid-19 also most likely came from bats as far as we know so far. So by his swine flu argument it can be called bat-corona virus because bats is where it came from
NuanceBro: there is evidence for this! Destiny: show me... NuanceBro: (can’t find evidence) NuanceBro: well we just don’t know right now, but I’ve seen it.
@@Gnolomweb You realize there was an entire post-debate stream. Where Destiny fact checks NuanceBros points right? The sources are there, go and find them instead of calling people who are more intelligent than you "morons"
@@ZbjetisGod Download an app apk called TH-camVanced, allows you play all TH-cam videos on the background and without ads. Only for Android, if you have an iPhone, feels bad get fucked.
Destiny: Here's a study that uses one of the most common types of methodologies in social psychology. NuanceBro: This sounds ridiculous. I don't know; this just sound ridiculous. Now, let me tell you about how we can determine how many people are in different kinds of hate groups all across the country by looking at just two rallies.
What’s astonishing is that after he dismisses studies presented by Destiny because the authors were Chinese, an hour later he provides like 2 studies that were also Chinese, Destiny calls him out on it but he is too stupid to know he contradicted himself, or just bad faith
@@justsignmeup911All studies and methodologies can have problems. That in no way means that you can just dismiss an entire methodology that is accepted as valid by experts because you think that it "sounds ridiculous" with little further explanation.
because round 1 opponent says a bunch of lies that Destiny has never heard of before, so Destiny just goes along with it round 2, destiny actually researches all of their claims, realizes they're all lies and calls them out
Lmao he cites Mike "we lied, we cheated, we stole" Pompeo as a credible source that it was man-made in a lab, although all experts disagree. Shows who he prefers to believe.
@SawChaser pompeo literally lied about it on live tv, I tried linking the clip to destiny during the live debate but he did not see it, pompeo literally said that there is evidence it’s man made, when the reporter said that this is not true, 1 second later he said he never said anything about it being man made and started talking about how it’s not, I highly recommend watching the clip of him doing that, it shows you how much of a liar he is
@@ARealPersonNotABot did you actually watch this? Each time Destiny brings up a point in direct contradiction to NuanceBro, he says "welp, ok, but how about [x]" Literally, throughout the debate, Nuance GOT MAD when Destiny brought up his own, or asked for evidence. Do you not see how fucking pathetic that is?
@@SehrDummerAccountNam Wow, I was only half kidding lol...how does such a dumbass acquire hundreds of thousands of subscribers? Maybe I should start a political youtube channel 🤔
@@supersaiyan44035 Found the clip: clips.twitch.tv/VivaciousGentleCougarPJSalt Unfortunatly only rightwingers get to be massively successful by displaying only a modicum of intelligence and charisma. For Liberals and leftists the bar is unfortunately higher.
"You just want to have me on to call me a liar and i want to have a free-flowing conversation". Wonder what kind of person benefits from a structure-less argument with no fact checking.
The point wasn’t that there would be no fact-checking, what he was saying was that Destiny wasn’t letting him speak and get his points out in a fully formed and legitimate way.
@@matthewscully3573 Which is a reasonable thing to do. He got out all his points last week, and destiny wants to review and fact-check all of *those* fully formed and legitimately voiced thoughts. If he keeps trying to run the goalposts back to "No forget all those I wanna add these other million points so it sounds like there's still doubt about shit" that need to be reviewed to be proven as bullshit, then destiny is right to declare "Wait you're just full of shit on everything you said last time, why shouldn't I take that into account?" when he tries to force feed more and more stuff into the conversation?
Rocket Relm Yes but you have to remember that going by Destiny’s notes isn’t a fair set up in the first place - Destiny can chose the qualifiers and context included in those, which is why he admits here that he doesn’t recall specific details about certain things Nuance Bro said in the previous video. As you can also imagine it’s also extremely one-sided; Destiny didn’t outline his own statements to fact check and give context to their exchanges. You would have a point about Nuance Bro shifting their goalposts if they went through the whole video and examined the statements step by step but by Destiny’s own admission on stream he wanted to leave his claims about Nuance Bro’s statements un-referenced so that he could rhetorically gain the upper hand - in lieu of actually trying to fairly represent his opponents views with first hand evidence to back up his claims. You’ll see in this video that Destiny can make statements and then qualifies them after the fact to clarify - for instance he can say there is no evidence for hydroxychloroquine but then qualify this as saying no decisive evidence, which are very different statements. He also qualifies/shifts the goalposts on the proportionality of Black hate groups, which isn’t something he would let NB do (and his argument is paper thin considering the rates of all types of crime, like terrorism and hate crimes, do not respond to the same extent to the myriad reasons for for crime, i.e. assuming hate crimes would be proportionate to homicide/drug offenses/vehicular crime is disingenuous as hell - which is why Destiny made an appeal to authority that NB has no criminologists to appeal to). Nuance Bro should be afforded the same ability in a genuine, good faith discussion. You could make a genuine argument, as NB points out, that Destiny’s plan for the conversation didn’t actually necessitate him being there - merely debunking someone’s points without letting them make any concessions or qualifiers should’ve just been a take-down video. You’ll also notice that Destiny refuses to defend many points he made in the last discussion - he outright said everything he said last time was correct and yet basically said he didn’t care to research if his statements on Kirk or the Tea Party was true. For the record I think Nuance Bro was a dumbass for saying the WHO said there was no human to human transmission but a good faith actor would iron man his statement and take the obvious meaning behind it. It’s also quite striking the amount of ad Homs Destiny did - repeatedly inferring your opponent is a Nazi without providing concrete evidence, tone policing and adding embellishments to his “evidence” is not good faith behavior.
Destiny isn’t doing very well in this conversation. Nuance seems to be aware about all the point Destiny is making. Nuance bro comes of fair and honest, and atleast willing to we can meet when he’s wrong. Destiny can do no wrong is right about everything lmao it’s ironic that this guy hates Trump, they act the same.
I’ve been waiting for a conversation like this for fucking months, A conversation where destiny just crushes their self-esteem. I don’t have much to live for, but when I see destiny abuse people with basic questions it makes my heart skip a beat.
@@roxi2798 hold on.. you're telling me that Trump making some vague comments about UV light being disinfectant and wouldn't it be good to get that disinfectant into the body blah blah. Then the same day (coincidentally) a company makes a public statement that theyre working on a new treatment that involves putting a glowing tube down your throat. And then the news told you that Trump said drink bleach, and you believed that😂
@@BuckingFuffalos69 Because Destiny wasn't. He sourced every single one of this claims and Nuancebro just dismissed all of them then went on to send some article that proves a point he didn't make.
@@russellm1883 bro, if that were true, why did Trump the very next day claim he was being sarcastic? "I was asking a very sarcastic question to the reporters in the room about disinfectant on the inside,"... "But it does kill it, and it would kill it on the hands, and that would make things much better." If what you're saying was true he was just explain he was referring to healight.. 😆
What's with the constant memes about Jews? After hearing Destiny say something like "oh is he a jew?" so many times it caused me to take a look at some of NuanceBro's vids with the expectation of seeing a bunch of alt-right & antisemetic talking points. Instead, he just comes off as the more center-right type. Am I missing something here?
@@crackheadallah7029 It means he alludes to Jewish conspiracies it other alt-right talking points, but doesn't say it outright. Probably because he wants to be more palettable to normies or because he doesn't want to get his channel banned.
When I was like 2 and a half hours in I accidentaly skipped back to the first 30 minutes and didn't notice for a while, so I got confused in this debate
You went a little crazy over the naming diseases issue. He’s right and you want to force your opinion on him. As per usual you’re the only bad faith actor in the room.
Hobo Frodo because when you accept flawed evidence you can develop positions that aren’t just untrue, but entirely antithetical to the truth. And these positions can cause tangible harm
@@Zach0451 "We don't know whether or not radioactive materials are harmful or not." *People stay away from radioactive materials on average because of fear of the unknown.* "Radioactive materials may have a chance to make spiders mutate in a specific fashion which could grant it above-average strength." *People start injecting radium and cancer death rates spike*
Talking about Destiny right? Taking Fauci and news articles and only certain studies verbatim, with no context on how life actually works, does not mean you're automatically right and can actually be equally flawed. The appeal to authority fallacy is his primary tactic Destiny uses to appear to have any legitimacy. Acting like a shouty child is his secondary tactic.
I already watched the vod of this earlier today. Jesus Christ he got obliterated. You can tell he's really good at bullshitting tho. Everytime you catch him on the biggest lies he just backs of without conceding.
So happy for this kind of content. Even though I know it pains destiny. It's just necessary that these sorts of conversations occur when the more sneaky types pop up
People aren’t calling it the Chinese virus out of racism or xenophobia but anti-Chinese government sentiment. Racism or xenophobia might be unintended consequences but I don’t think that’s the motive for most of the people who support calling it that.
I too, get my study dissections from highly reputable sources, such as "The Meme Policeman" EDIT: it seems like it's actually a pretty unbiased fact check site with a somewhat unfortunate name
I totally get where you are coming from and im 100% sure nuance bro did not know or care about this - but the meme policeman seems to be a fairly credible site that fact-checks memes.
@@jeremias-serus The "I know you're wrong but I have to do more research" thing was in response to nuancebro saying Charlie Kirk was in favor of increasing legal immigration until the groypers pushed him to the right with enough pressure, afterwards he ended up supporting cutting immigration in half and ever since the covid recession he's even called for a temporary moratorium.
Destiny looks really bad here. Nuancebro says that we name viruses based off of their origin, and every virus in history brought up was either the origin or the perceived origin. This is so disingenuous.
@Kayden It's not "locations like swine", the origin of swine flu was from pigs. You're purposefully being dishonest here you know what my argument is.
@@Blahcub A pig is not a country.... Also they literally went through research about how pigs were slaughtered for no reason because of the name swine, which literally proves the point of how the name can cause damage
@@declaringpond2276 The specific claim I'm defending is that before people knew the specific strand of virus any particular virus was from, people would call it by where the virus seemed to originate. The swine flue was thought to originate from a pig. I'm not claiming every virus was named after countries that's dumb. Mad cow disease was thought to come from cows. I'm consistent here. Next you argue that because of the naming convention people held in the past, damage was done. Probably, and definitely now that is the case. I don't disagree. I don't think a virus should be named after it's origin. That however is a complete nonsequitor because I'm not arguing whether or not the naming convention is harmful, just that Destiny was being disingenuous.
This debate was awful. Both sides came across terribly. NB deflects a lot and is less informed in parts but Destiny was pedantic and came in to “destroy” and wouldn’t take his foot off that pedal. I stopped 38 minutes in.
Destiny extended absolutely no charity in this debate and blindly defends the WHO in every circumstance. Here's a couple of examples: NuanceBro did not say the WHO statement regarding asymptomatic spread was made "in late March" as Destiny indicates @37:00. He actually said the WHO statement regarding asymptomatic spread "was made as late as March," which Destiny probably misheard. Since the WHO statement was from March 3, NuanceBro was perfectly accurate. Also, Destiny defends the WHO statement that there is a lack of evidence that masks are protective (or something to that effect). Destiny even demands evidence that masks are effective @38:30 as if there isn't a _massive_ body of evidence concerning the utility of masks in preventing spread of infection. It bothers me that Destiny will die on these hills which are completely indefensible. The WHO definitely f**cked up on multiple occasions--including their statement that there is _no evidence_ that masks are effective in preventing Coronavirus spread. In fact, there is a huge amount of data concerning masks and prevention, and this is common knowledge for many years. Admitting that the WHO f**cked up _doesn't_ make you a right-wing Trump advocate. It just makes you honest. It sucks because I agree with Destiny throughout most of this discussion, but there are several instances where Destiny becomes idiotic to serve a perceived greater purpose of "countering right-wing narrative." It's better to always seek the truth and concede when your opponent is correct, regardless of how ridiculous they may be. The beautiful thing is that, if you unapologetically seek the truth, then you will typically end up countering the right-wing narrative by default. Destiny--stop blindly defending the WHO in the event that they acted indefensibly.
Need some cream for that asspain buddy? NB consistently lied about almost everything he said in the previous debate, of course that forfeits the assumption of good faith during the next.
One of the best takes I've seen. So many people get wrapped up in being right or supporting their narrative to try and find an accurate version of the truth. I know this is the dreaded meme but sometimes "both sides" can have a point an "both sides" can be wrong on other points. Sometimes it's honorable to say "Yeah I was probably wrong here, and I think you were wrong there."
I agree. NB is a literal moron. Unfortunately, by extending _zero_ charity, Destiny takes an opposing position on _everything,_ even when NB says something that is true. As a result, Destiny was blatantly _wrong_ about certain things in this debate. I already gave the WHO example. He should adjust strategy to be correct of these things rather than taking an opposing position for political reasons.
@@ihaveboogers6391 Destiny should've just kept it civil and around the naming of the virus. I'm still watching, but this debate just seems like a ball of bad faith from destiny. Which is strange because after the araelle lesbian chick, I thought he was gonna be a lot more charitable to people since he let her go on so many points.. I havent seen the first debate so maybe destiny just genuinely doesnt like NuanceBro. Idk. I've never heard of bro before destiny lmao
I Have Boogers He’s pedantic beyond belief. He calls NB a bad faith actor but I cannot imagine how someone would in a good faith counter the argument that media called it “chinese virus” with ‘No, they called it China’s virus or Chinese novel corona virus’ and then call the other person a liar because of that. I always had a sense, that for Destiny, these debates are more like a Starcraft games then search for truth. He just looks for tactics that would defeat his opponent’s argument.
i wish destiny would stop doing debates and just started doing videos dedicated to researching a topic and putting out his findings with links to sources etc. these are entertaining but after a certain point they're all the same.
Destiny loves playing the semantics game but hates when people play it against him. The only reason to do that is if you think someone’s a bad faith actor, if he’s seen anything from nuance bro you can tell he’s trying to do his research and genuinely digs into issues
Josh have you watched any of his videos? I thought both of them made good points in this debate. In terms of Nuance Bro’s points, he clearly reads into the studies more than Destiny and pointed out some interesting “bugs” in them. Doesn’t necessarily discredit it, but it makes you wonder. And the whole point about taking hate crime as a % of total crimes rather than pop was a stretch
Josh I’m an actuary, you don’t have to go all “I do statistical analysis for a living” on me lol. There’s a ton in this debate, but Destiny constantly calling Nuance a bad faith actor to prop himself up to his own audience is so childish. It seemed like Nuance was more prepared for some studies and others he seemed to be googling on the fly and sending over which I don’t think he should be. Destiny definitely seemed to stumble when Nuance forced him to dig into the control groups for that one study where the control group was given additional medication. That’s what I was referring to when I said he read into them more. How can you disagree that Nuance looked into that study more than Destiny?
Josh I haven watched much Destiny but go watch some Nuance bro videos and let me know if you think he’s a bad faith actor. Maybe he agreed to the “debate” but was looking for more free form discussion idk, but I generally enjoy free form stuff. Sources are fine and all but in this video Destiny just seemed hostile to me. Again I haven’t watched much of him. For the control group part, that’s what Nuance bro’s point was, it was destinys source he was trying to use. Rewatch that part and lemme know what you think.
@@goomer2215 I’m curious how you can watch nuance bro be caught lying on tape repeatedly for 3 hours and believe he came out to this looking good. he was objectively lying/ being manipulative at multiple occasions.
@@matsab7930 this was so long ago lol. Nuance bro puts out quality stuff just go take a look at a few of em. He was definitely more composed than destiny who was on edge the entire time for no reason. I think they both make good points every now and then
Every time Nuance brings up a point Destiny says he doesn't care, it's a pivot, or it doesn't matter. When he brings up something he doesn't know, he calls it a lie. He gets mad, he yells like a little kid, and assume everyone but himself argues from a political place, and not facts. The earlier "gotcha" style responses about Covid naming were pointless because Nuance already addressed it. Also the late response? Really, a day after was Trump's response time. Destiny interrupts, yells, and acts like a spoiled brat when he doesn't get his way. Nuance was not lying, and at the very least could have just been wrong. Destiny refuses to grant him that.
NuanceBro should go back to school and take some liberal arts, preferably English, so he can go learn some reading comprehension. That, or pick up a dictionary, because I don't think the definition of nuance is "this almost looks like it proves my point if I just take it out of context and add a few words that completely change the meaning of the text".
A lot of this conversation is Destiny making claims against the implications from things Nuancebro said. These two mostly talk past each other the whole time in these cases... nuancebro isn't defending the implication, he's defending the initial statement. Kind of hard to listen to.
Destiny really talking himself into some disingenuous bs just to keep his arguments up and running. I usually feel bad for him when other people blatantly ignore what he's trying to say, but this time he just blatantly ignored what the other dude tried to say. This isn't about being right or wrong, you're just talking past each other over egos and not wanting to lose debates? Steven.
It’s funny hearing him argue for the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine months later, now that pretty much every county has long abandoned it. I can’t wait to have this same discussion about Ivermectin next year lol
perhaps the funniest part of this debate is that at 45:13 NuanceBruh tries to correct Destiny's pronunciation of Guangzhou. neither of them are terribly correct but Destiny is definitely closer as the "zhou" part sort of rhymes with "sew" or "low". it's funny because it's a perfect metaphor for how this dude tries to claim knowledge but doesn't actually know anything
Destiny, your arguments work, but you're debating in a way that doesn't facilitate reasonable logic. What you say often makes people feel defensive, instead of pointing out that someone is pivoting, you should try to redirect the conversation back more naturally
You have to have a take no prisoners attitude to people as bad faith as nbro and call them out for pivots. Otherwise they will dogpile you with irrelevant arguments. It might seem like a douche move, but it's better than letting him run wild like the 1st debate. You have to think destiny has to make up lost ground from a whole other debate.
Destiny's said a few times in the past that he doesn't do these debates to try and convince the person he's debating with, he does them for people watching who might be undecided
Dude the amount of bad faith and sophistry by Destiny in this debate is mind boggling. NuanceBro may not be correct on certain things but Destiny trying to pigeon-hole him into being a hur dur Nazi is unnecessary.
Regardless, no-one ever considered it bigoted against German people due to that name. These SJW morons in 2020 make everything about race are ridiculous. When you hear China virus everyone i've asked the first thought they think of is Chinese government and how they dropped ball. It's not racist and this whole naming thing is blown out of proportion and media just wants to throw anything that sticks at Trump with their derangement syndrome.
@@MultiAsdag I mean you can FEEL this way. But there has been a statistically provable rise in hate crimes against Asian Americans. They...they literally go over this in the video...and nuancebro doesn't even disagree with this, he just thinks its black people being more violent to asians than any other race. Why are you like this?
@@MultiAsdag Wtf is wrong with covid-19? Why the insistence to have it named specifically the Chinese virus? Why aren't you insisting on the Spanish flu or swine flu be called the American virus?
Destiny almost lost in the beginning because NuanceBro made sure to cover his tracks in a whole lot of slippery language but Destiny finally caught the ghost by the end of it.
@@downsjmmyjones101 ya but that was just 20 min. He continues to slip around, but Destiny was doing the same. Destiny definitely won, but Nuance put up a decent fight. That's pretty rare amongst the right wing community
@@WiscoMTB37 i cannot fathom how you think Destiny was *as slippery* as this dude, and i can't understand how he "put up a good fight", he obviously has not sourced any single one of his opinions and he even grunts at the idea of Destiny doing so. All he has done is consumed biased news for entertainment, he has not educated himself about the topic at all.
Destiny kind of spent the first 10 minutes of this proving himself to be somewhat an idiot, it was a dumb statement to argue. An he pretty much just argued with himself, proving himself to be wrong flue the most part. I can see that throughout this "debate" or rebuttal, that it'll a bunch of "nit picking" of phrases and the way certain things were said. Where Destiny it's basically saying the same thing, just phrased differently. To make it sound as though he's "proving" some kind of point. Usually I feel like he presents pretty good arguments, but this conversion is started terribly for Destiny. I can only imagine what kind of information and "facts" he's gathered about COVID19.
If you think accurately understanding what scientists say instead of blaming them for getting things wrong by misinterpreting their words, I can see why you need to get your facts from people like Nuancebro :)
Translation: You probably only bothered to watch up to the first 10 minutes of the debate and you for some strange reason think it's 'idiotic' to refer to a disease by its scientific name instead of a discriminatory name that has been condemned by the vast majority of scientists and reputable organizations around the world.
Destiny: “What is your position on heads of state recommending drugs that have scant research to support them?” PanderBro: “Well Obama...” This debate in a nutshell.
@@hugechromepeach7916 that's essentially what happened throughout the debate. He wants destiny wants to concede to everything but he himself never wants to concede even when destiny shows proof he's wrong.
I think the things NuanceBro has nuance stance on is actually quite reasonable. Destiny has a bias against Trump that’s why they don’t agree on what Trump should shouldn’t say in times of pandemic...etc. Aside from that, I don’t think Destiny realizes how bad he got schooled. Nuance is very well researched and he cares about looking into his data. Destiny tried hard to cherry pick opposing sources, but Nuance knew everything too. Anyway, Destiny should put away his ego especially in topics like this wehre he doesn’t have much knowledge about. He’s just relying on his quick thinking. As exposed here, Destiny only reads abstract/conclusions of the study, whereas Nuance tries to digest the whole study. Destiny ends up with confirmation bias and appeal to authority, as he relies on so called ‘experts’ on his chat who are likely biased as well.
@@user-gu1un7pb7k you assumed wrong. I watched the whole thing. Destiny had a hard time with the chronological order of the events of the coronavirus, mainly because all he was doing was trying to google studies to oppose NuanceBro. Nuance is a lot more researched inchrono virus he’s got all events with relevance to timeline, and he went through most if not all of the studies Destiny brought up. In orther words, Nuance is based on sll existing stufies vs Destiny is based on cherry picked studies to support his view. Plus Destiny doesnt read studies if it supports his view. Only time he takes a alook at a study in detail is when his opponent brings it up, the he gries to look for a flaw i the study. It’s very disengenious he’s merely trying to win the debate and he’s heavily biased. And for these reasons, Nuance appears much smarter and sharper all around making destiny look like a student talking to a professor.
If you want, you can watch the research stream for this. It's 9 hours long and the whole time he's looking through lots of different sources and seeing which study and conclusions are most supported.
@@wbl8100 NuanceBro didn't site a single study he didn't misquote or misunderstand. Destiny spends literally hours on livestreams researching and going through multiple studies to make his points. It's not cherrypicking to point to studies, epsecially when NuanceBro literally just said points and said 'I don't know, it's what I read' and was pretty much every time a Donald Trump claim, which isn't scientific evidence.
@@tehking111 so 9 hour research makes you a knowledgeable? Thats laughable. Maybe Destiny and his fans have a different standards of what it means to research. It can take hours to digest a complex study if you want a comprehensive understanding, let alone on the entire topic. Nuance has been covering and researching the topic for a while now of course nuance has better understanding of the topic. Thats why Nuance gave destiny lectures on how study maybe flawed...etc. This destiny’s approach to research is often googling for keyword that opposes his opponents argument is why Destiny is so surface level on everything, except philosophy stuff.
13:05 If you want any biases removed from virus nomenclature, not linking ethnicities to viruses sounds like a good start. Can't believe he dunked on himself like this.
(I'm 1:21:13 in, so things may change) That CDC homicide point that Nuanced made actually pissed me off! I had heard previously in my other courses about the Hispanic homicide rate and how adjusting by age can actually help get a clearer picture of things. The fact that this dude pulled up a source that didn't have anything to do with the homicide rates against people because he didn't FUCKING read about what it was about and probably misled people on the issue actually pisses me off to a great extent.
I smell a new rivalry. Is nuancebro going to be the new Mike from PA where twitch clips are plentiful, and we'll see 6 or 7 debates between them in the coming months? stay tuned to find out.
1 hour in is hilarious. Destiny makes a claim that NB can't respond to, so he asks destiny whether he has evidence of something else BECAUSE he knows how to respond to that instead
Came back from Amsterdam on March 13th, no screening what so ever. My friend came back March 15th, same place, they gave him a questionnaire and that's it. Amazing fucking testing
5 minutes in and destiny is angry over names of virus and tries a gotcha moment, then lost the debate on the topic...not sure if I'll make the whole video if he constantly uses this weak tactic
I stopped watching after Destiny brought up naming of deseases after places, saying he quoted from the previous video the name of the deseases while not quoting Nuance mentioning these deseases were named after rivers, localities, he even mentioned Spanish Flu wasn't from Spain. These concerns were resolved on the last debate, I've dealt with people who keeps bringing the same concerns over and over again and my diagnosis... they just don't wanna change, Destiny doesn't wanna change. If the rest of the "debate" (cuz this is a joke of a debate, not even a moderator anywhere) will be like that my time is not to be wasted here, and I would advice people to leave as well, go watch the previous debate since that was a more legit debate from both standpoints
Kevin D. Najera Destiny is assuming that Nuance is acting in bad faith, and whenever he tries to bring up a point, he says it’s a “pivot” to discredit it. How the hell can you say that to someone who is being sincere, much less in a discussion you invite them to??
RanEncounter please elaborate. Nuance's original claim was that there was no problem with calling in Covid-19, but that there wasn’t anything wrong with calling it the Chinese Virus. However, Destiny strawmanned him by assuming that he WANTS it to be called the Chinese Virus, or that he defends all of Trump's actions regarding Covid. It was terribly insincere of him.
1:07:00 If NuanceBro was a football player, he would be doing a fancy touchdown celebration dance after the first touchdown for his team while they trail by more than 30 points in the 4th quarter.
either that or the left is so ridiculously intolerant that to many of them, anyone who isn't them is "far right". Maybe they just exercise a little bit more "nuance" than you do, no pun intended.
@@Illumirage i agree with the first half of ur point. But let's not pretend like Nuance wasn't being a weasely ass fuck throughout the debate. He constantly wants destiny to concede but he himself never wants to concede even though he is painfully wrong.
@@Illumirage nah maybe people who often call themselves centrist online are just bad faith actors trying to fool people into thinking they are not partisan. If it walks like a duck.
hey destiny at around 13:15 you claim that people dont want the virus named after their ethnicity but chinese is not an ethnicity. its like saying american (as in from the us) is an ethnicity which is very wrong. there are lots of different ethnicities in china for example uyghur people which im sure you heard of. the biggest ethnicity in china are the han . i think it would be great to be more accurate and not conflate countries with ethnicities.
Isn't there a Chinese ethnicity (actual question I thought/think there was/is) Like I know that there lives non-ethnic Chinese in China but I just thought there still was a Chinese ethnic group.
@@YoungGzBlitz an ethnicity Living in the area of china for generations would be considered a chinese ethnicity as far as i know. Seeing as this applies to a lot of different ones in china i would refute that there is one 'real' chinese ethnicity, and actually this view could create a lot of Problems (for example not considering certain ethnicities and their culture part of 'real china'. the ccp does this with uyghur people, 'educating' them to give up their cultural heritage of Islam. Im not from china myself but to give you an example from my own country (germany): the NSDAP (national socialistic german worker Party, the nazi Party basicly) used propaganda to create the view that german jews would not be a german ethnicity and not part of the people.
@@4vilish Gotcha thanks for the explanation! If you really want him to know you can just email him, he usually is pretty good at adjusting his position if you lay it out like this.
@@YoungGzBlitz i think destiny already knows, but he might have misspoken in the heat of the moment. the point destiny makes pretty much stays the same except that naming it chinavirus would have negative impacts on all the ethnicities in china except for 'the one'. the person he is debating doesnt have the nuance ;) to grasp this concept anyway so explaining it might be a lost cause.
1:00:20 Nuance Bro attributes an argument that Destiny isn't even making to Destiny and then once he sets up the premise of which Destiny didn't really care about he attempted to discredit the source as it's one of the only pieces of evidence he actually researched. Nice.
JFQT I did respond but it didn’t post for some reason. Anyway... As far as the calling it the Chinese virus. I don’t think there is something inherently wrong with that. It is certainly accurate. He refused to concede this point. He also refused to admit other stuff gets named based on what or where it came from as if it was crazy to say that. I would maybe agree that it’s not ideal to call it chinese virus but like nuance bro I don’t have a problem with it. It’s only not ideal because people are too sensitive not because it’s actually wrong.
The French study on hydroxychloroquine contradicts the Chinese study. Both are pilot studies focused on viral load and not clinical outcome, and both had a small sample size. If nuance bro wants to prove hydroxychloroquine works he’ll need better studies than these with a larger sample size, longer duration of treatment, and higher daily dose. Nuance bro was right about one thing you can’t read studies because if you knew how to read studies this conversation would have been much shorter.
From what I understand, Nuance’s assertion is that hydroxychloroquine is “promising”, not outright saying that it works. He brought this up at the end of one of his recent videos, and the way he promoted the info indicates that he was arguing in good faith. Regarding viral load, although it probably isn’t as definitive as clinical outcome, can’t it still be used as a metric for measuring the effectiveness of the drug? After all it is used in monitoring the treatment off people with HIV, or at least according to aidsmap.com.
Niko Bates That’s just it though, unlike what viral load may have demonstrated for HIV, such studies haven’t shown the same effectiveness let alone promising data for Covid-19. Whataboutisms aren’t proof of anything. It’s good sophistry, but that’s about it. I think this will help you immensely to see how Bro is acting in bad faith: blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/04/06/hydroxychloroquine-update-for-april-6
Chris ewing That is interesting I skimmed the link you sent me, and it does seem to make the case that HCQ isn’t the most effective. Although one of the studies linked did not mention covid-19, so I would want to read that further in depth. Furthermore, his video is from March and your link is in April, so it is POSSIBLE that Nuance hadn’t known about this. Honest question, do you consume Nuance Bro’s content? I’ve been keeping up with Destiny and him for a while now, and the notion that Nuance Bro is some sort of liar or acting in bad faith isn’t accurate to me.
Niko Bates My link is on Covid-19. I’m not talking about NuanceBro’s video on hydroxychloroquine. I’m talking about his bad faith argument in this conversation with Destiny. If he hasn’t updated his research since then that’s a clear sign of confirmation bias.Yes, I do watch NuanceBro’s stuff. I’m also not the only one who has noticed what a bad faith actor he is: th-cam.com/video/HVVsbSyVcdE/w-d-xo.html
By actually wanting to debate? It was NuanceBro who shat his pants and said "why don't we just have a free flowing conversation" a.k.a. why can't I just be allowed to pivot when I'm in hot water and start lying about some unrelated topic without you correcting me with evidence.
I think people have become too comfortable using terms like bad faith, intellectually dishonest, dog whistle, gas lighting etc.. It seems like an easy way to wave away a person's opinion and implies discourse is futile. I think most of the time people are just ignorant, stupid or simply incorrect
I think Destiny played too much offense. He came off as sloppy. I don’t think Nuance Bro is always acting in bad faith he’s usually acting in subpar research. Also there was a lot of splitting hairs on Destiny’s side... I still think he won though. I give Destiny’s performance a 6.1/10 and NB’s performance a 2.2/10.
This is extremely late, however I laughed when the hydroxycloriquine subject came up. I have taken it for a long time. It is used to treat malaria, and lupus. I KNEW it wouldn't work from the beginning.
When you say the name of your source and it's called "Meme Policeman" you should probably go talk a long hard nuanced look in the mirror.
What's the problem.
GameBoi36 I’m gay
gustavo lopez Awesome
GameBoi36 👍👍👍
@@gg-uq6zm nice
"why is that guy jewish"
"no I actually like him"
lmao
Time stamp?
NGL to guy nuance bro was talking about is actually pretty good. Alex Nowrestah
@@PresidentBelichick 1:21:00
Ivan Land nice
@@sethwilliams8625 the open borders guy? How is he good?
Dang, I came into this with a headache, and came out with Nuanced Cancer
I am sorry but Destiny's point is dumb asf. He said "why don't we call it the Asian virus" because the other countries in Asia didn't start it and had nothing to do with it. He made the point its unfair to name a virus after your ethnicity or country but wants to call it the Asian virus even though that is unfair to other Asian countries who didn't start it.
Hello It’s me that was destiny’s point, he wasn’t actually suggesting that he was saying both were equally stupid
@Xavier E 1.) Europe isn't a country.
2.) Europe isn't a hostile foreign entity.
3.) Europe isn't running a propaganda campaign against the United States.
@@Gloomlight Fucking commies
@@Master-Of-The-Judgment-Nut-End For real though, it's weird that Destiny takes issue with it, like, why is that the one thing that seems to trigger him so hard.
"That whole study just seems ridiculous"
"Okay, so what study would you make? How would you correct it."
"Hold on, I'm not a scientist."
It is ridiculous because you can cherry pick the statements by providing the worst from one person and give more neutral from the other. For example I can provide Trump - Mexicans - Rapists comment but leave out Hillary - Blacks - Superpredators comment. My "study" now proves Person A is much more damaging.
@@Justjay114 ok so how would you correct the study in the video?
*silence*
@@MrTallformyheight Resounding silence hahaha
@@MrTallformyheight *crickets*
Destiny: I don't want you to pivot to a million other points...
Nuancebro: It doesn't have to be a million!
GOLD. Absolute gold.
Could be two million
This dude shows how trying so hard to be nuanced and skeptical of everything can lead you down the path of absolute absurdity. He has so many contradictions in his world view but he thinks his nuance is what is allowing him to maintain all these positions because he doesn’t paint things with a broad brush. He doesn’t understand that logical consistency is not the same thing as circular logic or ideological dogmatism. And ironically, he is suffering from so much motivated reasoning and confirmation bias that he is immune to actual nuance. Very weird but also very scary because I see this as a way many people get lost in these types of discussions.
@@poadude He's just the classic example of a person who has opinions and finds evidence to support them. He misunderstands what he's read, then mistakingly believes his opinion has been validated. As a result, he vastly misrepresents his 'research' to others, or just outright lies since he's certain he's right anyway.
Lewis Brown yeah exactly. I don’t even know if he knows he’s arguing in bad faith, which is kinda scary. This whole “reading the whole study” and nitpicking stats is also really dangerous and I see it all the time from conspiracy theorists or the trump supporters in my family. At a certain point we need to trust some kind of scientific consensus and accept that it is literally impossible to be an expert on every single subject you want to have an opinion on.
@@poadude I find it weird that your family even bothers to look into things. The people in my family who love Boris Johnson and the Tories don't do any reading to support their opinions at all. They just have the opinions and will make some stuff up about why the think the way they do.
Destiny lost his sanity in this debate
If you think nunancebro is the badfaith here your mad biased. And im a huge destiny fan. Destiny's TDS starts to show more and more as time goes on
@@kiemas12 Ah we have an other person here that failed to pass reading comprehension in school like NuanceBro. I have no idea how you actually manage to frame Destiny the bad faith here and not the crypto-nazi conspiracy theorist dude is beyong me. Have fun struggling with McDonalds job
Haralith I can’t believe you are lecturing/ telling somebody off for being stupid, and then follow it up by misspelling multiple words in your comment. Go back to elementary school.
@@samh8641 I am dyslectic and english is my second language. Of course I would misspell words. That's all you have to say about me? LMFAO have fun also scalling into McDonalds
kiemas if you don’t think nunancebro is a bad faith actor you’re mad biased. And I’m a huge nuancebro fan.
45:13 i love it when one non-Chinese speaker corrects another non-Chinese speaker’s pronunciation with an equally incorrect pronunciation 😂🤣
Dude it’s the nuance, bro
Why is pinyin even used in English? Adopting secondary spelling systems for use in English seems silly overall. I understand their confusion. It's very confusing to the average Zhou.
@@brownbricks6017 i am always so confused about that sound everytime i want to say Zhou Enlai
@@mypartyisprivate8693 i believe the intention when developing it was to have a consistent(or as consistent as they could make it) representation of the language. The other stuff where they write like "Mao Tse-Tung" or "Lao Tzu" supposedly has no logic to it and iirc and was the ways europeans spelled stuff initially during the colonial times.
@@broquestwarsneeder7617 I wish we simply adhered to specifically chosen unambiguous English conventions rather than for example using "zh" as "j"udge hahaha
Better options are available. Sigh, English is a mess.
Previously on Destiny Ball Z...NuanceBro carefully dodged questions, meandering from one topic to the next. The battle between him and Destiny got nowhere, with neither side able to land a decisive blow. So, Destiny began researching the secret to NuanceBro's hidden technique.
After researching for 24 hours in the hyperbolic Reddit thread, Destiny is prepared to do battle with NuanceBro. Will NuanceBro's technique work, or has Destiny discovered it's weakness.
My favorite Manga
Not too sure about the spinoff series with Vaush and Hasan though
What your seeing now is my normal state
@@_theactionkid_7572
Is the hasan saga canon or just a filler?
Find out next time on: "no one gives a shit because they are all bad faith!"
@@greyhound4204 filler.
Nuancebro showed exactly 0 nuance in this debate
How so?
DNC ISKKK
By not showing nuance
...?
Andrew Stevenson plz don’t be ableist come on
@@evanr5871 Really? He disagreed with some stuff that the prez has done. And the nuance regarding covid is the middleground of lockdown and hysteria, vs going back to normal. And this really is a personal attack tirade from Destiny on nuance, so how nuanced can he be about himself? People are kind of biased on the topic "themselves", right?
DNC ISKKK I just found it to be incredibly ironic that a guy literally with the word nuance in his name would argue for the first half hour of the debate for using a naming system that is so much less nuanced than the current system based on the argument of “I dunno, sounds better”
I dont understand why nuance bro is so hell bent on defending calling it the Chinese virus.
It's because he thinks it's a way to blame the chinese government. It doesn't really make any sense.
@Etherchannel because he is literally a racist, he’s no centrist, look at the clip destiny watches of nuance bro dog whistling about immigrants and brown people, even though he’s brown himself. He is unironically a race traitor
He doesn’t have any good reasons except the technicality that it originated in China and he sticks to his guns because it’s a pretty easy subject to wax and wane and eventually be able to say “well it still technically originated in China”. I still have to finish this debate and maybe watch some of his content to flesh out what this dude’s deal is.
He just shifts back and forth between "I don't see the problem with it" and then when Destiny explains the problem he goes back to "Well, I don't really care what people call it"
@@misterdemocracy3335 Covid-19 also most likely came from bats as far as we know so far. So by his swine flu argument it can be called bat-corona virus because bats is where it came from
NuanceBro: there is evidence for this!
Destiny: show me...
NuanceBro: (can’t find evidence)
NuanceBro: well we just don’t know right now, but I’ve seen it.
A A RON “I know I can’t prove it right now, but you’re definitely wrong.” - Destiny
@@sas_quatch birds with a feather flock together
O how tern tables
Ilaretro 3 First of all, DESTINY was given two weeks.
Second of all, NB is not wrong about everything and had HAD refutals.
@@Anonymous39967 ya this whole debate was a constant moving of goalposts on both sides. Destiny won though
Nuance bro makes a claim
Destiny disproves it
Nuancebro: will I guess nether of us will ever know.
Goal posts were nuancebro'd in this debate
@@Gnolomweb Hey, you spelled "you're" correctly. Good job!
@@Gnolomweb You realize there was an entire post-debate stream. Where Destiny fact checks NuanceBros points right? The sources are there, go and find them instead of calling people who are more intelligent than you "morons"
Opinions are not facts.
Nicholas Flemming r u ok
28 ads? Looks like I'm freeloading again
Yo Im always freeloading bruh
@@thomaschamper9897 Harder for Us mobile freeloaders
Freeloading hard
Is it bad I really want destiny to see this comment
@@ZbjetisGod Download an app apk called TH-camVanced, allows you play all TH-cam videos on the background and without ads. Only for Android, if you have an iPhone, feels bad get fucked.
Destiny: Here's a study that uses one of the most common types of methodologies in social psychology.
NuanceBro: This sounds ridiculous. I don't know; this just sound ridiculous. Now, let me tell you about how we can determine how many people are in different kinds of hate groups all across the country by looking at just two rallies.
What’s astonishing is that after he dismisses studies presented by Destiny because the authors were Chinese, an hour later he provides like 2 studies that were also Chinese, Destiny calls him out on it but he is too stupid to know he contradicted himself, or just bad faith
Experiments related to priming can go awry pretty easily as the replication crisis has shown. Common doesn't always mean good.
@@viktorkc1154 >he is too stupid to know he contradicted himself, or just bad faith
Why not both?
@@justsignmeup911All studies and methodologies can have problems. That in no way means that you can just dismiss an entire methodology that is accepted as valid by experts because you think that it "sounds ridiculous" with little further explanation.
@Graham Barth truuuuuuu
Destiny profited from ads in this debate.
Probably because he’s banned from Twitch so he needs that TH-cam money
TDStiny needs to stop snorting adderall before debates
TRUE
that's all we won
Ad block ;) I'm a free loader lol
Most of Destiny's opponents don't fair well in round 2's, just ask people like Nick Fuentes and JF
toiletpaper72 He’s like the Non-MMA version of Jon Jones, he struggles a lil on the first time, but the rematch is usually flawless
Mavka AHMAZIN
because round 1 opponent says a bunch of lies that Destiny has never heard of before, so Destiny just goes along with it
round 2, destiny actually researches all of their claims, realizes they're all lies and calls them out
Tbh the instance with JF nothing actually happened. I’d rewatch the argument.
Idk, Nuance definitely lost but not as bad as Fuentes or JF
I freeloaded in this debate
Same, I'm a proud freeloader
I freed my load in this debate.
Danjo I freeload 24/7 LULW
@@joeylord7152 are you offering?
@@joeylord7152 I'm crying now.
"I spaced out"
"Yeah. Sorry, stats are really hard"
😂😂 fucking GOT HIM
Lmao he cites Mike "we lied, we cheated, we stole" Pompeo as a credible source that it was man-made in a lab, although all experts disagree. Shows who he prefers to believe.
SawChaser I legit lol’d when he said “even Mike Pompeo”. One it sounded like an appeal to authority and you literally never trust what Mike says.
@SawChaser pompeo literally lied about it on live tv, I tried linking the clip to destiny during the live debate but he did not see it, pompeo literally said that there is evidence it’s man made, when the reporter said that this is not true, 1 second later he said he never said anything about it being man made and started talking about how it’s not, I highly recommend watching the clip of him doing that, it shows you how much of a liar he is
@SawChaser here it is th-cam.com/video/X-NCODFH3Wk/w-d-xo.html
What? Why is Mike Pompeo not a cridible sourse? Think before replying, do not act emotional and parrot stuff you are ignorant on, just a tip
@DNC ISKKK watch this video and see for yourself dumbass th-cam.com/video/X-NCODFH3Wk/w-d-xo.html
"Stop saying I don't have evidence!"
"Ok, well, pull it up"
"holdonholdonholdon whatdoyoumean"
"NuanceBro" lol, more like PivotBro. What a slippery little weasel. Well done Destiny, you still got it.
TPH2010 lol
What did he slip out of?
@@ARealPersonNotABot did you actually watch this? Each time Destiny brings up a point in direct contradiction to NuanceBro, he says "welp, ok, but how about [x]"
Literally, throughout the debate, Nuance GOT MAD when Destiny brought up his own, or asked for evidence. Do you not see how fucking pathetic that is?
NB is the biggest grifter on the online political scene
@@ARealPersonNotABot the conversation.
Not sure if Nuance bro's name is ironic or he doesn't know what the word nuance means...
He doesn't know what the word means, look up his debate with the Serfs, he gets absolutely humiliated on that specific point.
@@SehrDummerAccountNam Wow, I was only half kidding lol...how does such a dumbass acquire hundreds of thousands of subscribers? Maybe I should start a political youtube channel 🤔
@@supersaiyan44035 Found the clip: clips.twitch.tv/VivaciousGentleCougarPJSalt
Unfortunatly only rightwingers get to be massively successful by displaying only a modicum of intelligence and charisma. For Liberals and leftists the bar is unfortunately higher.
@@SehrDummerAccountNam Did we watch the same debate at all? Humiliated? Really? I don't see it.
@@Zach0451 I guess you must've watching something else because Nuance Bro looked bad
"You just want to have me on to call me a liar and i want to have a free-flowing conversation".
Wonder what kind of person benefits from a structure-less argument with no fact checking.
No, it's cool. They'll go through it a week later.
The point wasn’t that there would be no fact-checking, what he was saying was that Destiny wasn’t letting him speak and get his points out in a fully formed and legitimate way.
@@matthewscully3573 Which is a reasonable thing to do. He got out all his points last week, and destiny wants to review and fact-check all of *those* fully formed and legitimately voiced thoughts. If he keeps trying to run the goalposts back to "No forget all those I wanna add these other million points so it sounds like there's still doubt about shit" that need to be reviewed to be proven as bullshit, then destiny is right to declare "Wait you're just full of shit on everything you said last time, why shouldn't I take that into account?" when he tries to force feed more and more stuff into the conversation?
Rocket Relm Yes but you have to remember that going by Destiny’s notes isn’t a fair set up in the first place - Destiny can chose the qualifiers and context included in those, which is why he admits here that he doesn’t recall specific details about certain things Nuance Bro said in the previous video. As you can also imagine it’s also extremely one-sided; Destiny didn’t outline his own statements to fact check and give context to their exchanges. You would have a point about Nuance Bro shifting their goalposts if they went through the whole video and examined the statements step by step but by Destiny’s own admission on stream he wanted to leave his claims about Nuance Bro’s statements un-referenced so that he could rhetorically gain the upper hand - in lieu of actually trying to fairly represent his opponents views with first hand evidence to back up his claims.
You’ll see in this video that Destiny can make statements and then qualifies them after the fact to clarify - for instance he can say there is no evidence for hydroxychloroquine but then qualify this as saying no decisive evidence, which are very different statements. He also qualifies/shifts the goalposts on the proportionality of Black hate groups, which isn’t something he would let NB do (and his argument is paper thin considering the rates of all types of crime, like terrorism and hate crimes, do not respond to the same extent to the myriad reasons for for crime, i.e. assuming hate crimes would be proportionate to homicide/drug offenses/vehicular crime is disingenuous as hell - which is why Destiny made an appeal to authority that NB has no criminologists to appeal to).
Nuance Bro should be afforded the same ability in a genuine, good faith discussion. You could make a genuine argument, as NB points out, that Destiny’s plan for the conversation didn’t actually necessitate him being there - merely debunking someone’s points without letting them make any concessions or qualifiers should’ve just been a take-down video.
You’ll also notice that Destiny refuses to defend many points he made in the last discussion - he outright said everything he said last time was correct and yet basically said he didn’t care to research if his statements on Kirk or the Tea Party was true. For the record I think Nuance Bro was a dumbass for saying the WHO said there was no human to human transmission but a good faith actor would iron man his statement and take the obvious meaning behind it. It’s also quite striking the amount of ad Homs Destiny did - repeatedly inferring your opponent is a Nazi without providing concrete evidence, tone policing and adding embellishments to his “evidence” is not good faith behavior.
Destiny isn’t doing very well in this conversation. Nuance seems to be aware about all the point Destiny is making. Nuance bro comes of fair and honest, and atleast willing to we can meet when he’s wrong. Destiny can do no wrong is right about everything lmao it’s ironic that this guy hates Trump, they act the same.
I’ve been waiting for a conversation like this for fucking months, A conversation where destiny just crushes their self-esteem. I don’t have much to live for, but when I see destiny abuse people with basic questions it makes my heart skip a beat.
Destiny actually believed Trump said 'inject bleach'😂. It's called Healight, check it out.
@@russellm1883 yeah, trump is that stupid.
@@roxi2798 hold on..
you're telling me that Trump making some vague comments about UV light being disinfectant and wouldn't it be good to get that disinfectant into the body blah blah.
Then the same day (coincidentally) a company makes a public statement that theyre working on a new treatment that involves putting a glowing tube down your throat.
And then the news told you that Trump said drink bleach, and you believed that😂
@@russellm1883 Nice troll dude😂😂
@@russellm1883 I watched trump say the words with his own mouth.
NuanceBro saying "you can admit you're wrong, it's ok" was projection 101
Neither of them wanted to admit they were wrong
@@ChiefBinChicken it's almost like they are full of shit and are just assmad destiny googles shit
@@BuckingFuffalos69 Because Destiny wasn't. He sourced every single one of this claims and Nuancebro just dismissed all of them then went on to send some article that proves a point he didn't make.
@@knowledgeablebro6970 aight imma guess everyone with "x bro" in their name is the exact opposite of what they claim they are
@@knowledgeablebro6970 Funny that only repond to meme posts but not the post that ask for evidence to your claims.
God I wish I had the time and energy to do what Destiny did to this guy to every conservative in my Facebook feed.
Destiny believed Trump actually said 'inject bleach'😂. It's called Healight, check it out
@@russellm1883 bro, if that were true, why did Trump the very next day claim he was being sarcastic?
"I was asking a very sarcastic question to the reporters in the room about disinfectant on the inside,"... "But it does kill it, and it would kill it on the hands, and that would make things much better." If what you're saying was true he was just explain he was referring to healight.. 😆
"German Measles" is Rubella. Who the hell calls it German Measles anymore?
People grasping to justify Corona/Covid19 being called the chinese virus.
Everyone. You're wrong. Cope
Lots of people - my commonwealth government and state governments...both names are used
@@MorePlatesMoreRapes Yeah...it's sad how far down a rabbit hole of wrong they'll go just to hate Trump. Pathetic.
@@MorePlatesMoreRapes So you're just not gonna name where you live? Weirdchamp, cant even do anecdotal evidence right.
What's with the constant memes about Jews? After hearing Destiny say something like "oh is he a jew?" so many times it caused me to take a look at some of NuanceBro's vids with the expectation of seeing a bunch of alt-right & antisemetic talking points. Instead, he just comes off as the more center-right type. Am I missing something here?
He dogwhistles hard
@@HucklePeel what does this mean and who did you mean was doing the dog whistking ?
A lot of these people who claim to be center-right or conservative or whatever, if you dig hard enough just turn out to be Nazi adjacent.
@@crackheadallah7029 It means he alludes to Jewish conspiracies it other alt-right talking points, but doesn't say it outright. Probably because he wants to be more palettable to normies or because he doesn't want to get his channel banned.
@@WalkTuahthePolls shaggy thanks dude
Destiny debated a scuffed Jon Zherka in this debate
@@akhanshamenov8924 Jon Zherka and Destiny have met, Jon seems like a really great guy irl. A lot of how he acts is just a character for twitch.
@@akhanshamenov8924 That means?
When I was like 2 and a half hours in I accidentaly skipped back to the first 30 minutes and didn't notice for a while, so I got confused in this debate
You went a little crazy over the naming diseases issue. He’s right and you want to force your opinion on him. As per usual you’re the only bad faith actor in the room.
The idea that flawed evidence is always better than no evidence is one of the most infuriating things ever
Care to explain why or
Hobo Frodo because when you accept flawed evidence you can develop positions that aren’t just untrue, but entirely antithetical to the truth. And these positions can cause tangible harm
@@Zach0451 "We don't know whether or not radioactive materials are harmful or not." *People stay away from radioactive materials on average because of fear of the unknown.*
"Radioactive materials may have a chance to make spiders mutate in a specific fashion which could grant it above-average strength." *People start injecting radium and cancer death rates spike*
Talking about Destiny right? Taking Fauci and news articles and only certain studies verbatim, with no context on how life actually works, does not mean you're automatically right and can actually be equally flawed.
The appeal to authority fallacy is his primary tactic Destiny uses to appear to have any legitimacy. Acting like a shouty child is his secondary tactic.
DozyProductions no I was talking about nuancebro, destiny has a basic grasp on how research and data work
The ending with Nuance desperate for a gotcha was so pathetic man I felt bad for him
Destiny:Basic Psychology
Nuance Bro: Thats ridiculous
What a debate master.
Psychology is ridiculous, I agree.
@@sedoskovelha123 Why?
Can you timestamp when this was stated?
Or are you lying as a way to cope with how bad Destiny got Rekt?
@@hugechromepeach7916 lol it's clear you're just a blind partisan hack who'll say nuance won no matter what. Think with your own brain for a change.
@@johnhuys8413 you could’ve just time stamped it because now you look like u don’t want to show the proof and it’s sus
Nuance Brethren was found to be a liar in this debate.
Did you watch it live?
@the500mphtortoise I watched it live, I just like to go to TH-cam vids to see the comments
@@the500mphtortoise Yessir.
I already watched the vod of this earlier today. Jesus Christ he got obliterated.
You can tell he's really good at bullshitting tho. Everytime you catch him on the biggest lies he just backs of without conceding.
i value ur opinion
@@ezaf5989 rules you out then
@@ezaf5989 y r u so mad bro and im a proud degenerate
@@ezaf5989 wht value do u get from just insulting random pple on the internet?
Ez Af hey man. I’m not a fan of weebs, but you are being an asshole. Get this hate out of the comments.
So happy for this kind of content. Even though I know it pains destiny. It's just necessary that these sorts of conversations occur when the more sneaky types pop up
People aren’t calling it the Chinese virus out of racism or xenophobia but anti-Chinese government sentiment. Racism or xenophobia might be unintended consequences but I don’t think that’s the motive for most of the people who support calling it that.
Thank you!!!
See: Hong Kong Flu, 1968
I too, get my study dissections from highly reputable sources, such as "The Meme Policeman"
EDIT: it seems like it's actually a pretty unbiased fact check site with a somewhat unfortunate name
That's PROFESSOR The Meme Policeman to you, sir.
I totally get where you are coming from and im 100% sure nuance bro did not know or care about this - but the meme policeman seems to be a fairly credible site that fact-checks memes.
@@lucifenxarthos625 true, it was a knee-jerk reaction on my part. I guess it just has a name that kinda sounds like an alt-right meme blog
Why do I think this is so funny? Hahaha.
Good job on letting yourself be corrected though
Lol
Everyone trolling Destiny last time when he said “I know you’re wrong ,let me research it”. But he was right.
Fucka You he was wrong about Kirk, the ban, and the tea party
Big Baller Did you watch Destiny’s research stream? He wasn’t.
@@pylianpbappe8898 lol still falling for NuanceBro lies in 2020
He said that in response to Charlie Kirk and immigration. Which he is not right on
@@jeremias-serus The "I know you're wrong but I have to do more research" thing was in response to nuancebro saying Charlie Kirk was in favor of increasing legal immigration until the groypers pushed him to the right with enough pressure, afterwards he ended up supporting cutting immigration in half and ever since the covid recession he's even called for a temporary moratorium.
Destiny looks really bad here. Nuancebro says that we name viruses based off of their origin, and every virus in history brought up was either the origin or the perceived origin. This is so disingenuous.
@Kayden It's not "locations like swine", the origin of swine flu was from pigs. You're purposefully being dishonest here you know what my argument is.
@@Blahcub A pig is not a country....
Also they literally went through research about how pigs were slaughtered for no reason because of the name swine, which literally proves the point of how the name can cause damage
@@declaringpond2276 The specific claim I'm defending is that before people knew the specific strand of virus any particular virus was from, people would call it by where the virus seemed to originate.
The swine flue was thought to originate from a pig. I'm not claiming every virus was named after countries that's dumb. Mad cow disease was thought to come from cows. I'm consistent here.
Next you argue that because of the naming convention people held in the past, damage was done. Probably, and definitely now that is the case. I don't disagree. I don't think a virus should be named after it's origin. That however is a complete nonsequitor because I'm not arguing whether or not the naming convention is harmful, just that Destiny was being disingenuous.
Guys its nuanced racism tho
This comment is pretty funny considering he has a video called the science of racism debunked which I made a response to...
Low iq comment
Seems like he really hates Chinese & Black people 🤔
Destiny showed NuanceBro what a nuanced take actually looks like in this debate.
By screaming and being obnoxious to appeal to his fans!
@@sas_quatch By defending daddy NuanceBro in every comment thread!
@@sas_quatch stop defending nuance for everything u hack
Sargon of akkad broke down in this debate
Sargon totally died here
@@charliebean2450 Sargon became a leftist in this debate
research speedrun any%
The goal of this speedrun is to prove that the study cited does not back up the other's points.
NuanceBro’s lack of understanding of control groups is making my blood pressure reach quadruple digits
This debate was awful. Both sides came across terribly. NB deflects a lot and is less informed in parts but Destiny was pedantic and came in to “destroy” and wouldn’t take his foot off that pedal.
I stopped 38 minutes in.
Sums it up
2:51:23
Lyrics coming at you at supersonic speed...
sweetcynic (JJ FAD)
Destiny extended absolutely no charity in this debate and blindly defends the WHO in every circumstance. Here's a couple of examples: NuanceBro did not say the WHO statement regarding asymptomatic spread was made "in late March" as Destiny indicates @37:00. He actually said the WHO statement regarding asymptomatic spread "was made as late as March," which Destiny probably misheard. Since the WHO statement was from March 3, NuanceBro was perfectly accurate. Also, Destiny defends the WHO statement that there is a lack of evidence that masks are protective (or something to that effect). Destiny even demands evidence that masks are effective @38:30 as if there isn't a _massive_ body of evidence concerning the utility of masks in preventing spread of infection. It bothers me that Destiny will die on these hills which are completely indefensible. The WHO definitely f**cked up on multiple occasions--including their statement that there is _no evidence_ that masks are effective in preventing Coronavirus spread. In fact, there is a huge amount of data concerning masks and prevention, and this is common knowledge for many years. Admitting that the WHO f**cked up _doesn't_ make you a right-wing Trump advocate. It just makes you honest. It sucks because I agree with Destiny throughout most of this discussion, but there are several instances where Destiny becomes idiotic to serve a perceived greater purpose of "countering right-wing narrative." It's better to always seek the truth and concede when your opponent is correct, regardless of how ridiculous they may be. The beautiful thing is that, if you unapologetically seek the truth, then you will typically end up countering the right-wing narrative by default. Destiny--stop blindly defending the WHO in the event that they acted indefensibly.
Need some cream for that asspain buddy? NB consistently lied about almost everything he said in the previous debate, of course that forfeits the assumption of good faith during the next.
One of the best takes I've seen. So many people get wrapped up in being right or supporting their narrative to try and find an accurate version of the truth. I know this is the dreaded meme but sometimes "both sides" can have a point an "both sides" can be wrong on other points.
Sometimes it's honorable to say "Yeah I was probably wrong here, and I think you were wrong there."
I agree. NB is a literal moron. Unfortunately, by extending _zero_ charity, Destiny takes an opposing position on _everything,_ even when NB says something that is true. As a result, Destiny was blatantly _wrong_ about certain things in this debate. I already gave the WHO example. He should adjust strategy to be correct of these things rather than taking an opposing position for political reasons.
@@ihaveboogers6391 Destiny should've just kept it civil and around the naming of the virus. I'm still watching, but this debate just seems like a ball of bad faith from destiny. Which is strange because after the araelle lesbian chick, I thought he was gonna be a lot more charitable to people since he let her go on so many points..
I havent seen the first debate so maybe destiny just genuinely doesnt like NuanceBro. Idk. I've never heard of bro before destiny lmao
I Have Boogers He’s pedantic beyond belief. He calls NB a bad faith actor but I cannot imagine how someone would in a good faith counter the argument that media called it “chinese virus” with ‘No, they called it China’s virus or Chinese novel corona virus’ and then call the other person a liar because of that. I always had a sense, that for Destiny, these debates are more like a Starcraft games then search for truth. He just looks for tactics that would defeat his opponent’s argument.
I watched 28 ads in this debate
@Joey M or just get TH-cam vanced lmao
@Joey M I mean if you're gonna give advice on how to skip ads anyways might as well
@Joey M yep, about as much as you did
Joey M I tried this it didn’t work
I watched Destiny ads in this Destiny debate
i wish destiny would stop doing debates and just started doing videos dedicated to researching a topic and putting out his findings with links to sources etc. these are entertaining but after a certain point they're all the same.
Why not both? Debates are what gets viewers
It’s not the same but
th-cam.com/video/PCZhgWpG19E/w-d-xo.html
This is good because it reaches the other person's misinformed or bigoted fanbase and might change more minds
Destiny loves playing the semantics game but hates when people play it against him. The only reason to do that is if you think someone’s a bad faith actor, if he’s seen anything from nuance bro you can tell he’s trying to do his research and genuinely digs into issues
Josh have you watched any of his videos? I thought both of them made good points in this debate. In terms of Nuance Bro’s points, he clearly reads into the studies more than Destiny and pointed out some interesting “bugs” in them. Doesn’t necessarily discredit it, but it makes you wonder. And the whole point about taking hate crime as a % of total crimes rather than pop was a stretch
Josh I’m an actuary, you don’t have to go all “I do statistical analysis for a living” on me lol. There’s a ton in this debate, but Destiny constantly calling Nuance a bad faith actor to prop himself up to his own audience is so childish. It seemed like Nuance was more prepared for some studies and others he seemed to be googling on the fly and sending over which I don’t think he should be. Destiny definitely seemed to stumble when Nuance forced him to dig into the control groups for that one study where the control group was given additional medication. That’s what I was referring to when I said he read into them more. How can you disagree that Nuance looked into that study more than Destiny?
Josh I haven watched much Destiny but go watch some Nuance bro videos and let me know if you think he’s a bad faith actor. Maybe he agreed to the “debate” but was looking for more free form discussion idk, but I generally enjoy free form stuff. Sources are fine and all but in this video Destiny just seemed hostile to me. Again I haven’t watched much of him. For the control group part, that’s what Nuance bro’s point was, it was destinys source he was trying to use. Rewatch that part and lemme know what you think.
@@goomer2215 I’m curious how you can watch nuance bro be caught lying on tape repeatedly for 3 hours and believe he came out to this looking good.
he was objectively lying/ being manipulative at multiple occasions.
@@matsab7930 this was so long ago lol. Nuance bro puts out quality stuff just go take a look at a few of em. He was definitely more composed than destiny who was on edge the entire time for no reason. I think they both make good points every now and then
Every time Nuance brings up a point Destiny says he doesn't care, it's a pivot, or it doesn't matter. When he brings up something he doesn't know, he calls it a lie. He gets mad, he yells like a little kid, and assume everyone but himself argues from a political place, and not facts. The earlier "gotcha" style responses about Covid naming were pointless because Nuance already addressed it. Also the late response? Really, a day after was Trump's response time. Destiny interrupts, yells, and acts like a spoiled brat when he doesn't get his way. Nuance was not lying, and at the very least could have just been wrong. Destiny refuses to grant him that.
NuanceBro should go back to school and take some liberal arts, preferably English, so he can go learn some reading comprehension. That, or pick up a dictionary, because I don't think the definition of nuance is "this almost looks like it proves my point if I just take it out of context and add a few words that completely change the meaning of the text".
Lmao seriously. How ironic that a guy named nuance bro doesn't understand nuance.
@@stickboslightning That's how nuanced he is... You just wouldn't get it. You're not nuanced enough.
Seriously, that's exactly the way destiny acted (atleast through minute 35). Enjoyable watch to see destiny act so fucking dense.
A lot of this conversation is Destiny making claims against the implications from things Nuancebro said. These two mostly talk past each other the whole time in these cases... nuancebro isn't defending the implication, he's defending the initial statement. Kind of hard to listen to.
Destiny really talking himself into some disingenuous bs just to keep his arguments up and running.
I usually feel bad for him when other people blatantly ignore what he's trying to say, but this time he just blatantly ignored what the other dude tried to say. This isn't about being right or wrong, you're just talking past each other over egos and not wanting to lose debates?
Steven.
“Can you cite me a study?” “Well they are Chinese”
"Oh and one more thing!"
*sees there's 30 minutes left*
I don't believe you.
It’s funny hearing him argue for the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine months later, now that pretty much every county has long abandoned it. I can’t wait to have this same discussion about Ivermectin next year lol
This comment has aged well.
@@patrickhall6627 It literally has lol
And destiny arguing about face mask not working and there not being asymptomatic cases spread-
perhaps the funniest part of this debate is that at 45:13 NuanceBruh tries to correct Destiny's pronunciation of Guangzhou. neither of them are terribly correct but Destiny is definitely closer as the "zhou" part sort of rhymes with "sew" or "low".
it's funny because it's a perfect metaphor for how this dude tries to claim knowledge but doesn't actually know anything
I appreciate you
Destiny, your arguments work, but you're debating in a way that doesn't facilitate reasonable logic. What you say often makes people feel defensive, instead of pointing out that someone is pivoting, you should try to redirect the conversation back more naturally
You have to have a take no prisoners attitude to people as bad faith as nbro and call them out for pivots. Otherwise they will dogpile you with irrelevant arguments. It might seem like a douche move, but it's better than letting him run wild like the 1st debate. You have to think destiny has to make up lost ground from a whole other debate.
Destiny's said a few times in the past that he doesn't do these debates to try and convince the person he's debating with, he does them for people watching who might be undecided
2:12:05 "I'm skeptical of everything that comes out of China. Anyways, here's a few studies from China..."
Amazin'
I didnt know the glory of A'MAZIN'! Until just recently.
Dude the amount of bad faith and sophistry by Destiny in this debate is mind boggling. NuanceBro may not be correct on certain things but Destiny trying to pigeon-hole him into being a hur dur Nazi is unnecessary.
German measles isn't from Germany either.
yeah destiny realized after the stream
Regardless, no-one ever considered it bigoted against German people due to that name. These SJW morons in 2020 make everything about race are ridiculous. When you hear China virus everyone i've asked the first thought they think of is Chinese government and how they dropped ball. It's not racist and this whole naming thing is blown out of proportion and media just wants to throw anything that sticks at Trump with their derangement syndrome.
@@MultiAsdag I mean you can FEEL this way. But there has been a statistically provable rise in hate crimes against Asian Americans. They...they literally go over this in the video...and nuancebro doesn't even disagree with this, he just thinks its black people being more violent to asians than any other race. Why are you like this?
@@MultiAsdag Haha you're mad cause your nonsensical racism get called out haha what a loser.
Go cry somewhere else you fucking baby.
@@MultiAsdag
Wtf is wrong with covid-19? Why the insistence to have it named specifically the Chinese virus? Why aren't you insisting on the Spanish flu or swine flu be called the American virus?
god he's so slippy it's amazing
Destiny almost lost in the beginning because NuanceBro made sure to cover his tracks in a whole lot of slippery language but Destiny finally caught the ghost by the end of it.
@@downsjmmyjones101 ya but that was just 20 min. He continues to slip around, but Destiny was doing the same. Destiny definitely won, but Nuance put up a decent fight. That's pretty rare amongst the right wing community
@@WiscoMTB37 Dude lubed himself up really thoroughly, so it was indeed a struggle to hold him to any points.
@@WiscoMTB37 i cannot fathom how you think Destiny was *as slippery* as this dude, and i can't understand how he "put up a good fight", he obviously has not sourced any single one of his opinions and he even grunts at the idea of Destiny doing so. All he has done is consumed biased news for entertainment, he has not educated himself about the topic at all.
@To Err is Huma Yeah! And don't you know Obama did arguably bad things too?
Theres a lot of ads but it's a 3 hour vid, so I dont really see the big deal.
@Joey M thanks dude, for some reason there's a couple of ads left, but it got rid of 95% of them. 👍
Ublock Origin m'guy
If you call yourself NuanceBro you gotta be prepared to be dunked on for it constantly
I think this needs more ads
imagine complaining about ads, while ad blockers exist (that block youtube ads)
@@caseypdx503 yeah it was a joke, relax yourself
Get yt premium
Its bc of the revenue loss from being banned from twitch.
2 years later and destiny absolutely destroyed him
Amazing how far ahead you can get just by reading a few articles instead of tweets and reddit comments.
This was nothing short of a Public Service. Thank you Destiny.
NuanceBro is like NoBS ironic name and both the exact opposite
Gotta say ur wrong here Destiny.
Diseases have been named quite randomly and many things have common and scientific names, even several common names.
Destiny kind of spent the first 10 minutes of this proving himself to be somewhat an idiot, it was a dumb statement to argue. An he pretty much just argued with himself, proving himself to be wrong flue the most part. I can see that throughout this "debate" or rebuttal, that it'll a bunch of "nit picking" of phrases and the way certain things were said.
Where Destiny it's basically saying the same thing, just phrased differently. To make it sound as though he's "proving" some kind of point.
Usually I feel like he presents pretty good arguments, but this conversion is started terribly for Destiny. I can only imagine what kind of information and "facts" he's gathered about COVID19.
If you think accurately understanding what scientists say instead of blaming them for getting things wrong by misinterpreting their words, I can see why you need to get your facts from people like Nuancebro :)
Translation: You probably only bothered to watch up to the first 10 minutes of the debate and you for some strange reason think it's 'idiotic' to refer to a disease by its scientific name instead of a discriminatory name that has been condemned by the vast majority of scientists and reputable organizations around the world.
Curious what Destiny's take on the lab-leak is now
Destiny: “What is your position on heads of state recommending drugs that have scant research to support them?”
PanderBro: “Well Obama...”
This debate in a nutshell.
Never happened.
@@hugechromepeach7916 that's essentially what happened throughout the debate. He wants destiny wants to concede to everything but he himself never wants to concede even when destiny shows proof he's wrong.
I think the things NuanceBro has nuance stance on is actually quite reasonable. Destiny has a bias against Trump that’s why they don’t agree on what Trump should shouldn’t say in times of pandemic...etc. Aside from that, I don’t think Destiny realizes how bad he got schooled. Nuance is very well researched and he cares about looking into his data. Destiny tried hard to cherry pick opposing sources, but Nuance knew everything too. Anyway, Destiny should put away his ego especially in topics like this wehre he doesn’t have much knowledge about. He’s just relying on his quick thinking. As exposed here, Destiny only reads abstract/conclusions of the study, whereas Nuance tries to digest the whole study. Destiny ends up with confirmation bias and appeal to authority, as he relies on so called ‘experts’ on his chat who are likely biased as well.
So I'm assuming you didn't watch the debate and had this nonsense typed out straight away?
@@user-gu1un7pb7k you assumed wrong. I watched the whole thing. Destiny had a hard time with the chronological order of the events of the coronavirus, mainly because all he was doing was trying to google studies to oppose NuanceBro. Nuance is a lot more researched inchrono virus he’s got all events with relevance to timeline, and he went through most if not all of the studies Destiny brought up. In orther words, Nuance is based on sll existing stufies vs Destiny is based on cherry picked studies to support his view. Plus Destiny doesnt read studies if it supports his view. Only time he takes a alook at a study in detail is when his opponent brings it up, the he gries to look for a flaw i the study. It’s very disengenious he’s merely trying to win the debate and he’s heavily biased. And for these reasons, Nuance appears much smarter and sharper all around making destiny look like a student talking to a professor.
If you want, you can watch the research stream for this. It's 9 hours long and the whole time he's looking through lots of different sources and seeing which study and conclusions are most supported.
@@wbl8100 NuanceBro didn't site a single study he didn't misquote or misunderstand. Destiny spends literally hours on livestreams researching and going through multiple studies to make his points. It's not cherrypicking to point to studies, epsecially when NuanceBro literally just said points and said 'I don't know, it's what I read' and was pretty much every time a Donald Trump claim, which isn't scientific evidence.
@@tehking111 so 9 hour research makes you a knowledgeable? Thats laughable. Maybe Destiny and his fans have a different standards of what it means to research. It can take hours to digest a complex study if you want a comprehensive understanding, let alone on the entire topic. Nuance has been covering and researching the topic for a while now of course nuance has better understanding of the topic. Thats why Nuance gave destiny lectures on how study maybe flawed...etc. This destiny’s approach to research is often googling for keyword that opposes his opponents argument is why Destiny is so surface level on everything, except philosophy stuff.
13:05 If you want any biases removed from virus nomenclature, not linking ethnicities to viruses sounds like a good start. Can't believe he dunked on himself like this.
Destiny destroys these ppl when they come back a second time and he’s researched their nonsense from the initial debate...lol
No he doesn’t
@@highverbaliq1785 He did it to Fuentes
Lol TDStinys refutals were semantic at best. Your bottom is showing.
@@kiemas12 What parts were semantics?
TheEsotericZebra What was the original argument? “Yes he does”?
(I'm 1:21:13 in, so things may change) That CDC homicide point that Nuanced made actually pissed me off! I had heard previously in my other courses about the Hispanic homicide rate and how adjusting by age can actually help get a clearer picture of things. The fact that this dude pulled up a source that didn't have anything to do with the homicide rates against people because he didn't FUCKING read about what it was about and probably misled people on the issue actually pisses me off to a great extent.
I smell a new rivalry. Is nuancebro going to be the new Mike from PA where twitch clips are plentiful, and we'll see 6 or 7 debates between them in the coming months? stay tuned to find out.
1 hour in is hilarious. Destiny makes a claim that NB can't respond to, so he asks destiny whether he has evidence of something else BECAUSE he knows how to respond to that instead
Anthony Marsdon low iq comment
Came back from Amsterdam on March 13th, no screening what so ever. My friend came back March 15th, same place, they gave him a questionnaire and that's it. Amazing fucking testing
5 minutes in and destiny is angry over names of virus and tries a gotcha moment, then lost the debate on the topic...not sure if I'll make the whole video if he constantly uses this weak tactic
I stopped watching after Destiny brought up naming of deseases after places, saying he quoted from the previous video the name of the deseases while not quoting Nuance mentioning these deseases were named after rivers, localities, he even mentioned Spanish Flu wasn't from Spain. These concerns were resolved on the last debate, I've dealt with people who keeps bringing the same concerns over and over again and my diagnosis... they just don't wanna change, Destiny doesn't wanna change. If the rest of the "debate" (cuz this is a joke of a debate, not even a moderator anywhere) will be like that my time is not to be wasted here, and I would advice people to leave as well, go watch the previous debate since that was a more legit debate from both standpoints
Kevin D. Najera Destiny is assuming that Nuance is acting in bad faith, and whenever he tries to bring up a point, he says it’s a “pivot” to discredit it. How the hell can you say that to someone who is being sincere, much less in a discussion you invite them to??
Why am I not surprised Nuancebro simps cannot understand basic argumentation. Did you miss the original claim of Nuancebro? Of course you did.
RanEncounter please elaborate. Nuance's original claim was that there was no problem with calling in Covid-19, but that there wasn’t anything wrong with calling it the Chinese Virus. However, Destiny strawmanned him by assuming that he WANTS it to be called the Chinese Virus, or that he defends all of Trump's actions regarding Covid. It was terribly insincere of him.
Nuance Is Good th-cam.com/video/i9w-9x0ur7A/w-d-xo.html
Nuancebro lacks nuance. He’s more of a bro than anything. Dude is a literal bonehead
Noance Bro: HIV and genetic race blah blah
Destiny: maybe
Noance Bro: (thinking) god I really wanna bring up race and genes and crime!
1:07:00 If NuanceBro was a football player, he would be doing a fancy touchdown celebration dance after the first touchdown for his team while they trail by more than 30 points in the 4th quarter.
Isn't it amazing how "centrists" always disproportionately help the right?
Neither of these guys are centrists
either that or the left is so ridiculously intolerant that to many of them, anyone who isn't them is "far right". Maybe they just exercise a little bit more "nuance" than you do, no pun intended.
@@Illumirage i agree with the first half of ur point. But let's not pretend like Nuance wasn't being a weasely ass fuck throughout the debate. He constantly wants destiny to concede but he himself never wants to concede even though he is painfully wrong.
@@Illumirage nah maybe people who often call themselves centrist online are just bad faith actors trying to fool people into thinking they are not partisan. If it walks like a duck.
@@johnhuys8413 Destiny doesn't claim to be a centrist. On the other hand Nunancebro claims to be a centrist when he is clearly right wing.
hey destiny at around 13:15 you claim that people dont want the virus named after their ethnicity but chinese is not an ethnicity. its like saying american (as in from the us) is an ethnicity which is very wrong. there are lots of different ethnicities in china for example uyghur people which im sure you heard of. the biggest ethnicity in china are the han . i think it would be great to be more accurate and not conflate countries with ethnicities.
Isn't there a Chinese ethnicity (actual question I thought/think there was/is)
Like I know that there lives non-ethnic Chinese in China but I just thought there still was a Chinese ethnic group.
@@YoungGzBlitz an ethnicity Living in the area of china for generations would be considered a chinese ethnicity as far as i know. Seeing as this applies to a lot of different ones in china i would refute that there is one 'real' chinese ethnicity, and actually this view could create a lot of Problems (for example not considering certain ethnicities and their culture part of 'real china'. the ccp does this with uyghur people, 'educating' them to give up their cultural heritage of Islam. Im not from china myself but to give you an example from my own country (germany): the NSDAP (national socialistic german worker Party, the nazi Party basicly) used propaganda to create the view that german jews would not be a german ethnicity and not part of the people.
@@4vilish Gotcha thanks for the explanation! If you really want him to know you can just email him, he usually is pretty good at adjusting his position if you lay it out like this.
@@YoungGzBlitz i think destiny already knows, but he might have misspoken in the heat of the moment. the point destiny makes pretty much stays the same except that naming it chinavirus would have negative impacts on all the ethnicities in china except for 'the one'. the person he is debating doesnt have the nuance ;) to grasp this concept anyway so explaining it might be a lost cause.
1:00:20 Nuance Bro attributes an argument that Destiny isn't even making to Destiny and then once he sets up the premise of which Destiny didn't really care about he attempted to discredit the source as it's one of the only pieces of evidence he actually researched. Nice.
Next take on PSA Sitch. HEY NOWWWWWWW
Destiny. You are wrong here.
JFQT I did respond but it didn’t post for some reason. Anyway...
As far as the calling it the Chinese virus. I don’t think there is something inherently wrong with that. It is certainly accurate.
He refused to concede this point. He also refused to admit other stuff gets named based on what or where it came from as if it was crazy to say that.
I would maybe agree that it’s not ideal to call it chinese virus but like nuance bro I don’t have a problem with it. It’s only not ideal because people are too sensitive not because it’s actually wrong.
Destiny went pretty hard on covid not coming from a lab, he might as well called it a witch hunt. has he changed his mind yet?
The French study on hydroxychloroquine contradicts the Chinese study. Both are pilot studies focused on viral load and not clinical outcome, and both had a small sample size. If nuance bro wants to prove hydroxychloroquine works he’ll need better studies than these with a larger sample size, longer duration of treatment, and higher daily dose. Nuance bro was right about one thing you can’t read studies because if you knew how to read studies this conversation would have been much shorter.
From what I understand, Nuance’s assertion is that hydroxychloroquine is “promising”, not outright saying that it works. He brought this up at the end of one of his recent videos, and the way he promoted the info indicates that he was arguing in good faith.
Regarding viral load, although it probably isn’t as definitive as clinical outcome, can’t it still be used as a metric for measuring the effectiveness of the drug? After all it is used in monitoring the treatment off people with HIV, or at least according to aidsmap.com.
Niko Bates That’s just it though, unlike what viral load may have demonstrated for HIV, such studies haven’t shown the same effectiveness let alone promising data for Covid-19. Whataboutisms aren’t proof of anything. It’s good sophistry, but that’s about it. I think this will help you immensely to see how Bro is acting in bad faith: blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/04/06/hydroxychloroquine-update-for-april-6
Chris ewing That is interesting I skimmed the link you sent me, and it does seem to make the case that HCQ isn’t the most effective. Although one of the studies linked did not mention covid-19, so I would want to read that further in depth. Furthermore, his video is from March and your link is in April, so it is POSSIBLE that Nuance hadn’t known about this.
Honest question, do you consume Nuance Bro’s content? I’ve been keeping up with Destiny and him for a while now, and the notion that Nuance Bro is some sort of liar or acting in bad faith isn’t accurate to me.
Niko Bates My link is on Covid-19. I’m not talking about NuanceBro’s video on hydroxychloroquine. I’m talking about his bad faith argument in this conversation with Destiny. If he hasn’t updated his research since then that’s a clear sign of confirmation bias.Yes, I do watch NuanceBro’s stuff. I’m also not the only one who has noticed what a bad faith actor he is: th-cam.com/video/HVVsbSyVcdE/w-d-xo.html
He didnt say late March btw. He said "as late as March"
Destiny is just embarrassing throughout this debate.
By actually wanting to debate? It was NuanceBro who shat his pants and said "why don't we just have a free flowing conversation" a.k.a. why can't I just be allowed to pivot when I'm in hot water and start lying about some unrelated topic without you correcting me with evidence.
I think people have become too comfortable using terms like bad faith, intellectually dishonest, dog whistle, gas lighting etc.. It seems like an easy way to wave away a person's opinion and implies discourse is futile. I think most of the time people are just ignorant, stupid or simply incorrect
I think Destiny played too much offense. He came off as sloppy. I don’t think Nuance Bro is always acting in bad faith he’s usually acting in subpar research. Also there was a lot of splitting hairs on Destiny’s side... I still think he won though.
I give Destiny’s performance a 6.1/10 and NB’s performance a 2.2/10.
Obama said the n-word in private in this debate
This is extremely late, however I laughed when the hydroxycloriquine subject came up. I have taken it for a long time. It is used to treat malaria, and lupus. I KNEW it wouldn't work from the beginning.