Put on my Porsche shirt, Porsche hat, and sat on my Porsche chair to watch this. Please don’t disappoint, time is money and I have child support to dispute.
One of my biggest pet peeves is how similar the terminology and phrasing used throughout so many of these reviews is. It’s almost like it’s a prerequisite to say that “the shifter is notchy”. I’ve seriously heard some twenty something David Patterson clone say “the shifter in this car is vague and rubbery feeling. It’s notchy.” One of the many reasons I watch Mark and Jack. They formulate their thoughts into words extremely well and aren’t always regurgitating the same old car journalist-isms.
@@Online_ToughGuy They've really ruined almost all other automotive reviewers for me with how much more detailed and unique they are in their reviews...and the humor. They also seem to be some of the most honest. It seems like there are so many reviewers out there that refuse to say too much bad about a car because of the fear of those manufacturers not allowing them to have access to their cars, and the reviews really come off as paid spokesperson feeling rather than actual consumer advice. I also think the repeating of key words is a lot of them not being objective enough and just regurgitating what they hear at a press event or from reps of the manufacturers.
Just drove the GTS this past week during the Porsche Driving Experience and it was an unbelievable car to drive on track. Super impressed and definitely a dream car to own now.
💛 The BULLION Sweet Spot! 💛 Thank you for revisiting this car again. I hope it wasn't too boring for you. ... I'm biased since I have a regular 992 4S as a daily driver (w/ Sport PASM) but the suspension is amazing for my local potholes. I have no need for more stiffness! The only thing I would love is the reduced rear sound deadening from the GTS ♥️. I wouldn't mind it since I have tinnitus anyway 🙉.
Its a beautiful looking car. No massive spoilers or gazillion air vents. Its just simple yet elegant and doesn't shout about what its capable of. Perfect daily drivers car.
Got a new 992 Targa 4s a few months ago. Same color and interior as this one. It is so crazy fast! Have top down as much as possible. So glad the noise when down is not as bad as many said. And the sound of that flat six is glorious.
What an amazing car. I wonder how capable a driver you have to be to really notice the front end differences between this and a GT3. 153K is a shit ton of money. Now, you have to wonder what stealerships will be bending you over for one. Hopefully, you can get into a Cayman GTS. If there's a sweet spot in Porsche's lineup, I think that's it. Please release that Z06 video that you teasingly mentioned!
You don’t have to be a race car driver by any means to feel the differences of the GT3’s double wishbone front end. It actually feels darty when you first get in it before you adjust your driving style. I’m not a professional driver by any means but I’ve driven virtually every version of the 911 made since the 90’s and I was shocked at the difference that suspension makes
Agreed. Albeit if you want need a daily driver 911 I think a regular 911 is a better bet. Obviously if your local roads are glass like then GTS is the way to go. Mine are not! 🕳🕳🕳🏎
Also, for people at high altitude and winter, might give up the GT3 NA engine for the C4 GTS 3.0TT boost. However C2 GTS with the 7 speed manual would be my perfect porsche
Having had both a GTS, GT3, and GT3RS, the GTS is truly the better car for the street. The other two can easily be driven on the street, but they "feel" like they always want to go faster, and you can tell street driving is not what they were built for. In terms of track driving, the RS is by far the king. But I would not want to take it cross country like the GTS.
It took me 12 days to like and comment. Honestly Jack nailed it on the Final thoughts. This car is my favourite in the Porsche line up. 911 Carerra you can’t beat it.
Thanks for the review guys. I have always loved Porsches and the 911 is the iconic version. Obviously I wish the price was lower, but I am so glad there are car companies still making sports cars instead of boring, electrified X-overs.
I can listen to these guys drive every 911 that's ever existed because I know it wont be repetitive...I would love to see you guys revisit the 991.1 GTS. I found an incredibly specced one for sale but it got away. I feel that generation of 911's will be incredibly sought after one day, more so than the 992's or the 991.2's
@Yes Sir while I agree the build quality appearance inside the porsche is fabulous the price is double so that extra interior quality has its trade offs to consider. Im glad we have both to chose from. Ill chose the corvette and if interior quality is a priority id recommend the 3 lt or 3 lz intior package. For ke its about performance so my current c8 z51 fe4 gets the nod and the upcoming reservation is for the c8 z06 htc 1LZ The porsche 911 is a fabulous choice too. Beautiful and iconic sports car choice
Interesting. I bought a 991.2 recently as I couldn’t get an allocation for the 992. Could have ordered a new GTS- probably cheaper and true that the difference in performance isn’t large. The decision was made to go gt3 because of the NA engine. I’ve owned 2 turbos, they are crazy fast but the sound even with an exhaust change doesn’t match the gt3. You can’t beat 9000 rpm for crazy! I’m also a wing guy, but that’s just me. All in, it was a tough choice to go with the older gt3 and your video presents the points between the cars well. Good job.
I was looking at these earlier this year and ended up getting a GT-R...which is a 2016, ~800whp, flex-fuel psychopath that I absolutely adore. But, having had the GT-R for a while, it's VERY clear what the extra Porsche money gets you...refinement. The interior of my car is actually very nice...you probably wouldn't guess it was a Nissan if you didn't know (it's a Premium trim with the upgraded leather seats)...and the engine and AWD system are amazing. The transmission, though...yea...THIS is where I REALLY notice the lack of refinement. It's very mechanical (which, being a huge car guy, I kinda like) but kinda stumbles and gets confused sometimes when driving around town. It basically wants to go WoT ALL THE TIME. lol The PDK is a true work of art. I'm a hard core 3 pedal-lover and MT vs PDK would actually be a tough decision to make. It's SO good. Porsche really has created something special. Refined and smooth when you want, track weapon when you need. SO good. My car IS faster, though. 😁
Stock for stock it’s faster? Straight line or proper circuit? Every GTR I’ve driven is so damn big and front end heavy it’s a huge turn off and the whole thing is so dang played out. can’t believe anyone would drop $180 on a nismo edition when it’s basically an update of a car that used to run $80k. It was a steal at $80, but at 180, someone’s high on something. The driving dynamics are absolutely horrid above 7/10ths (but I don’t like large cars, heavy cars, front engine cars, AWD cars or slushboxes). I’d rather have a 360 in a manual or a 997 GT3 and be “slower”, but I tell all my Tesla buddies the same thing
Very interesting - I loved how you kept it relatively short and to the point, plus that you were able to give perspective on where the car could be improved.
Awesome car and it should be for 150K. Unfortunately, I (and I imagine many of your viewers) do not have the driving skills to fully appreciate it. And, as always, a superb discussion (permeated by giggles) that you and Jack had in the car on the track.
Porsche is just the best, isn't it? Everything looks like it's so driver focused but also good quality and also enjoyable to normal people :) And I'm glad that this GTS means the 911 has a sports car variant other than the GT3 because the regular 911s now are more GTs than Sports cars!
Hey, I drove a Ferrari 488 at this racetrack last May. It was a birthday gift from my kids. Loads of fun. Nowhere near the speeds that this Porsche was driven at. 😀
This is my dream car. I'm a firm believer in having a car that isn't way too much for the street. While I can totally appreciate a GT3 or TurboS but they are just way too much for everyday type driving and require a track to get anywhere close to their performance level. This or the C4s in a great color and I would never get rid of it. Cayman GTS is a very close second but I'll probably never be able to own either sadly.
i had a 6spd c5 'vette that was too much for the street. 45-50 mph in 1st... by the time i was taking it out of 2nd, my foot was coming off the gas. manuals here are a bit faster, but... it's the same dynamic. basically... pick your spots and have 7-8 seconds of thrill
Cool channel. Out of curiosity, who are these gents in the context of automotive journalism/road car testing? Well spoken chaps and a great presentation.
I don’t understand Mark’s comments about the GT3 being a better car? Of course it is. However, you just can’t go out and get a GT3 because there is a game that’s played by all dealers. Therefore, if you want a manual the GTS is your best option in the Porsche line-up. It’s frustrating that you can’t just walk in and buy a GT3……that’s why I’m in que for a GTS personally. I enjoy your channel! Keep up the good work and thanks.
Rumble video platform is starting their outreach for great content creators and you guys are the best of the car world. I'm hoping you start posting on Rumble and monetize the heck out of it as your content is great!!!
I love my GTS. the only thing id add, is that its hard to get one regardless of preference. Allocations are still tough these days and dont expect to pay MSRP unless you are a very valued VIP with your dealer. But once you get one, they are amazing!
You are right… 74-77 mph in 2nd gear… problem is it feels perfectly fine until you realize the speed you are going. I can’t push my car to redline in 3rd bc i will go to jail lmao
The price may be high, but one would be essentially getting two cars. One daily commuter, that literally (used correctly), can be a daily driver year round (even in the snow), and another car that is a fantastic track toy. All that for the price of...of....well....OK then..... the price of two cars. Ah...BUT only take up one garage space.... so there is the savings! =^P
I don’t even know what the hell that means and I own a 911 and have owned M3s in the past. I guess I’ve never even bothered to look at anything other than an M in the BMW line, what’s the point if you want the ultimate performance. And btw, why the crap does every single BMW now have an “M” on their license plate frame now, except the actual M cars? talk about annoying, it use to be something special.
I shouldn't watch Porsche content. I cannot afford them brand new and I'm too big of a chicken to buy a used one I can actually afford. But damn, one day.... Anyhow great video! You guys truly are top shelf!
Love these porsche videos. Not because they're interesting, but because it's amusing how every porsche vid is almost identical and people in the comments react as if it's a novel video.
I feel like the sweet spot is a well optioned RS3. Still tens of thousands under the base price of a 911 and even more practicality. Plus, it's actually a car at the top of a range so it feels impressive, like you bought the car you really wanted, not like you stretched your budget to afford a bargain basement stripped base model 911 just to get that badge. Base 911 to me feels like that first year out of college when my friends were leasing the BMW 3 series base. Like, why? Just get a Camry SE V6 if you can't afford an M3. It'll help you save money to afford the better car later, too.
This thing is priced like a Super Sports car, yet I wouldn’t directly place it with things like GTR’s, Corvette Z06’s, Audi R8 V8’s? Its a very competent car that might not have the instant emotional excitement you look for in that price
Both the 992 GTS and the 991.2 GTS are a better option than the GT3 in many ways (quicker too in some circumstances). The lower down torque, smooth increase throughout the rev range, is a better drive.
The GTS is faster everywhere with all that torque available at 2200 rpm. The GT3 is a great track car but its not a good road car, I drove it for two days when I was in Santa monica. Steering is darty and ride is harsh and I couldnt redline it 9K on public roads. GT3 is exciting though, but I would go GTS if I had the money
The obvious question in the room to me. When will Porsche put the Double Wishbone front end from GT3 in the e rest of the 911 lineup? My 23 MDX S comes with and I really like it allot better than my 17 Cayenne S.
Your Porsche reviews have made me want one badly. Just need to win the lottery? Any plans to release more t-shirts? Have been out of stock for some time now. Gracias
2:45 freeze frame: why do Porsches all have wave pattern on their brake rotors? Ive noticed this on my 981 GTS and all of my friends Porsche 2 doors. Engineers tell me it's normal but isn't this usually a huge issue? I just don't understand the technical explaination to why it appears and why it's considered okay The rotors on this video are new so that wave pattern isn't super visible by based on shade of the colors you can see it start to form. After a year or two the wave pattern is extremely noticeable like little hills on the rotors
Can you expand on your opinion of the harsh ride? I have one coming in October with Normal PASM. Will that be better for daily driver and interstate trips?
How does it compare to the Turbo/Turbo S in regards to sound isolation and ride comfort? I tried the GTS its a bit above average noisy, and the ride was a bit on the rough side (PASM Sport Option)
If i want to get a GTS, it would be the 4GTS in manual. That is a configuration no other 911 delivers including the new Sports Classic which comes only in rear wheel drive.
Keep referring to the front suspension layout difference vs the GT3 as a “strut” set up. You do know that both vehicles use struts, correct? I assume you meant the double wishbone vs McPherson multiLink design? Btw, no one complained about the front suspension of 911s (if driven properly) until the GT3 came out with the double wishbone, funny how that works. Oh, the GT3 also benefits from the incredible bite of the Cup 2R tire, yes, that’s not a single step (4S to Cup) but 2 steps up in grip level, 4S to Cup to CupR. I’d still rather have a GT3 of course, but some minor tweaks can get this (and even the C2S) fairly close to the GT3 in performance (many GT3 owners opt for 4S for the street, after they wear out the Cup tires anyway). Nice to see this with a proper manual
Actually alot of journalists/ drivers had complained about the front end of 911s for years. Particularly in cup car form. Lots of camber and the rest of the car being so good is how they got around it. The doublewish bone car just perfected it. We call it strut to just shorted it versus saying macferson strut every time.
There is more information in the three gauges you can see than in the five gauges of the old cars. When so configured the right center gauge shows: oil temp, oil pressure, analog fuel remaining and range, and battery voltage. It can also show: tire pressures, driving mode, map, compass and more. So it doesn't really matter than you can't see the outer gauges without moving your head. All you have to move is your thumb.
Put on my Porsche shirt, Porsche hat, and sat on my Porsche chair to watch this. Please don’t disappoint, time is money and I have child support to dispute.
Comment of the day right here
Or in the case of the hosts, put on my Patagonia shirt, underwear, socks, shoes, hat, and butt plug - because I'm SAVING THE WORLD.
This comment section never fails making me laugh.
Porsche just trying to keep up with the Corvette swag game, just like trying to keep up at Le Mans.
You must be Joey, from Friends
Just call it the sweet spot like the rest of TH-cam
Everyone knows the S is the sweet spot
You mean G spot? G for GTS? Hue hue.
One of my biggest pet peeves is how similar the terminology and phrasing used throughout so many of these reviews is. It’s almost like it’s a prerequisite to say that “the shifter is notchy”. I’ve seriously heard some twenty something David Patterson clone say “the shifter in this car is vague and rubbery feeling. It’s notchy.”
One of the many reasons I watch Mark and Jack. They formulate their thoughts into words extremely well and aren’t always regurgitating the same old car journalist-isms.
@@Alex.AL_26 this right here. Except by the time you tack on the options you want you’re at GTS money
@@Online_ToughGuy They've really ruined almost all other automotive reviewers for me with how much more detailed and unique they are in their reviews...and the humor. They also seem to be some of the most honest. It seems like there are so many reviewers out there that refuse to say too much bad about a car because of the fear of those manufacturers not allowing them to have access to their cars, and the reviews really come off as paid spokesperson feeling rather than actual consumer advice. I also think the repeating of key words is a lot of them not being objective enough and just regurgitating what they hear at a press event or from reps of the manufacturers.
I never tire of 911 content. The best cars built today...,watched Mark be impressed by these gems ...
Love any porsche 911 content
Just drove the GTS this past week during the Porsche Driving Experience and it was an unbelievable car to drive on track. Super impressed and definitely a dream car to own now.
I just drove it at the Porsche experience too! What an incredible car!
💛 The BULLION Sweet Spot! 💛
Thank you for revisiting this car again. I hope it wasn't too boring for you.
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I'm biased since I have a regular 992 4S as a daily driver (w/ Sport PASM) but the suspension is amazing for my local potholes. I have no need for more stiffness! The only thing I would love is the reduced rear sound deadening from the GTS ♥️. I wouldn't mind it since I have tinnitus anyway 🙉.
I am really missing the street drives. Nothing like Jack ripping it down the rural roads of McHenry county.
I live in Mchenry County and enjoy that as well haha!
Our next couple videos sadly are all track. Youll be getting some farm road videos in the near future though
@@jackholmes8105 Thanks king.
Just wait for the SUV reviews. Nothing calls out cruising straight level roads like SUVs
Ah yes, those straight boring mid-west roads. Exact environment a Porsche craves to be pushed on.
Its a beautiful looking car. No massive spoilers or gazillion air vents. Its just simple yet elegant and doesn't shout about what its capable of. Perfect daily drivers car.
We love the in the shop and tech details. It sets you apart from the pack!
can never get enough Porsche content. Your enthusiasm is proof of why. 🤩
It's the giggle for me.
You guys are the best duo for technical explanation, very easy to understand the complexity of each vehicle you drive
Weeks away from getting my new GTS and can’t wait beaded on all the positive reviews. Can’t wait to track it.
Got a new 992 Targa 4s a few months ago. Same color and interior as this one. It is so crazy fast! Have top down as much as possible. So glad the noise when down is not as bad as many said. And the sound of that flat six is glorious.
What an amazing car. I wonder how capable a driver you have to be to really notice the front end differences between this and a GT3. 153K is a shit ton of money. Now, you have to wonder what stealerships will be bending you over for one. Hopefully, you can get into a Cayman GTS. If there's a sweet spot in Porsche's lineup, I think that's it. Please release that Z06 video that you teasingly mentioned!
Z06 video comes out October 3rd at 10 am central
You don’t have to be a race car driver by any means to feel the differences of the GT3’s double wishbone front end. It actually feels darty when you first get in it before you adjust your driving style. I’m not a professional driver by any means but I’ve driven virtually every version of the 911 made since the 90’s and I was shocked at the difference that suspension makes
@@jameswillard1 the noise helps set them apart too😂
@@bk_nreynolds3278 absolutely! 4.0L sounds so much better and the 6-speed gearbox is far superior to the 7-speed manual in non-GT 911’s
Dealers in SoCal maybe want $15k over right now, but are saying wait may be up to a year or more.
I think the GTS is a great option for someone who wants a GT3 but can't get an allocation or doesn't want to pay huge markups
And then realize that you cant get allocation for GTS either and there is also a fat markup on it anyways in current market 🤣🤣🤣
Agreed. Albeit if you want need a daily driver 911 I think a regular 911 is a better bet. Obviously if your local roads are glass like then GTS is the way to go. Mine are not! 🕳🕳🕳🏎
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Also, for people at high altitude and winter, might give up the GT3 NA engine for the C4 GTS 3.0TT boost. However C2 GTS with the 7 speed manual would be my perfect porsche
@@ZDY66666 Perhaps but I bet it would be easier to get and have less of a markup, if any depending on the dealer
Having had both a GTS, GT3, and GT3RS, the GTS is truly the better car for the street. The other two can easily be driven on the street, but they "feel" like they always want to go faster, and you can tell street driving is not what they were built for. In terms of track driving, the RS is by far the king. But I would not want to take it cross country like the GTS.
Excellent, no nonsense summary for the enthusiast. Well done and thank you!
It took me 12 days to like and comment. Honestly Jack nailed it on the Final thoughts. This car is my favourite in the Porsche line up. 911 Carerra you can’t beat it.
Thanks for the review guys. I have always loved Porsches and the 911 is the iconic version. Obviously I wish the price was lower, but I am so glad there are car companies still making sports cars instead of boring, electrified X-overs.
Even though I usually follow technical cases review I do like allot your approach and how your presenting these 2 cars. Keep up the good work !
Watching you review feels like a Sunday evening movie. Great action, popcorn and IPA. Unfortunately it’s 5:30 am in LA
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The way you guys talk about the car makes me cry, the 11:11 comment is just there, loved
I've been a subscriber since 80kish subscribers. Congratulation on the 600K subscriber milestone! Keep up the great work!
I can listen to these guys drive every 911 that's ever existed because I know it wont be repetitive...I would love to see you guys revisit the 991.1 GTS. I found an incredibly specced one for sale but it got away. I feel that generation of 911's will be incredibly sought after one day, more so than the 992's or the 991.2's
Where was the one that “got away”? My buddy just got a highly spec 1.1 GTS.
These guys are the best!
Just placed my order for a 911 GTS today. Stoked
Wonderful review of an iconic sports car. I look forward to your unbiased comparision between this and the c8 z06 i have a reservation on. Thank you
@Yes Sir thanks for sharing your opinion. Porsche is an iconic brand for sure. I prefer corvettes yet admire porsches as well
@Yes Sir while I agree the build quality appearance inside the porsche is fabulous the price is double so that extra interior quality has its trade offs to consider. Im glad we have both to chose from. Ill chose the corvette and if interior quality is a priority id recommend the 3 lt or 3 lz intior package.
For ke its about performance so my current c8 z51 fe4 gets the nod and the upcoming reservation is for the c8 z06 htc 1LZ
The porsche 911 is a fabulous choice too. Beautiful and iconic sports car choice
Interesting. I bought a 991.2 recently as I couldn’t get an allocation for the 992. Could have ordered a new GTS- probably cheaper and true that the difference in performance isn’t large. The decision was made to go gt3 because of the NA engine. I’ve owned 2 turbos, they are crazy fast but the sound even with an exhaust change doesn’t match the gt3. You can’t beat 9000 rpm for crazy! I’m also a wing guy, but that’s just me. All in, it was a tough choice to go with the older gt3 and your video presents the points between the cars well. Good job.
I like the technical details that everyone glazes over. Its the reason I like this channel the most of all the car review channels.
The 992 GTS is awesome because its basically an optioned up 992S. The best thing about both is that they are available with a manual transmission.
Love watching the videos. Still can’t imagine spending $150k and not having a GT3 though.
The days of getting a GT3 for 150k are long gone, unfortunately.
@@kirkericson2722 low mileage one available by me for $269k... down from $309k.
insane... but unlike ferrari, it's a manual.
My wifes bf would be impressed if I had one of these.
You can go on a ride in this while your wife goes on a ride on him - you'd both be having a lot of fun!
Well, I can say I was impressed enough with breakfast.
Dee-lish.
Always a pleasure watching your reviews guys
I was looking at these earlier this year and ended up getting a GT-R...which is a 2016, ~800whp, flex-fuel psychopath that I absolutely adore. But, having had the GT-R for a while, it's VERY clear what the extra Porsche money gets you...refinement. The interior of my car is actually very nice...you probably wouldn't guess it was a Nissan if you didn't know (it's a Premium trim with the upgraded leather seats)...and the engine and AWD system are amazing. The transmission, though...yea...THIS is where I REALLY notice the lack of refinement. It's very mechanical (which, being a huge car guy, I kinda like) but kinda stumbles and gets confused sometimes when driving around town. It basically wants to go WoT ALL THE TIME. lol The PDK is a true work of art. I'm a hard core 3 pedal-lover and MT vs PDK would actually be a tough decision to make. It's SO good. Porsche really has created something special. Refined and smooth when you want, track weapon when you need. SO good.
My car IS faster, though. 😁
Stock for stock it’s faster? Straight line or proper circuit? Every GTR I’ve driven is so damn big and front end heavy it’s a huge turn off and the whole thing is so dang played out. can’t believe anyone would drop $180 on a nismo edition when it’s basically an update of a car that used to run $80k. It was a steal at $80, but at 180, someone’s high on something. The driving dynamics are absolutely horrid above 7/10ths (but I don’t like large cars, heavy cars, front engine cars, AWD cars or slushboxes). I’d rather have a 360 in a manual or a 997 GT3 and be “slower”, but I tell all my Tesla buddies the same thing
Very interesting - I loved how you kept it relatively short and to the point, plus that you were able to give perspective on where the car could be improved.
Awesome car and it should be for 150K. Unfortunately, I (and I imagine many of your viewers) do not have the driving skills to fully appreciate it.
And, as always, a superb discussion (permeated by giggles) that you and Jack had in the car on the track.
That extra 30 hp puts 4 car lengths in front of the S in the quarter mile!
Love the track reviews. Always do track reviews for sporty cars.
You guys are excellent car reviewers 👌
Porsche is just the best, isn't it? Everything looks like it's so driver focused but also good quality and also enjoyable to normal people :) And I'm glad that this GTS means the 911 has a sports car variant other than the GT3 because the regular 911s now are more GTs than Sports cars!
Hey, I drove a Ferrari 488 at this racetrack last May. It was a birthday gift from my kids. Loads of fun. Nowhere near the speeds that this Porsche was driven at. 😀
Jealous! What a cool gift.
@@ReidEvers he musta had all of the kids in the car to not match the speed.
@@toddinthemiddle 😀
This is my dream car. I'm a firm believer in having a car that isn't way too much for the street. While I can totally appreciate a GT3 or TurboS but they are just way too much for everyday type driving and require a track to get anywhere close to their performance level. This or the C4s in a great color and I would never get rid of it. Cayman GTS is a very close second but I'll probably never be able to own either sadly.
i had a 6spd c5 'vette that was too much for the street. 45-50 mph in 1st... by the time i was taking it out of 2nd, my foot was coming off the gas.
manuals here are a bit faster, but... it's the same dynamic. basically... pick your spots and have 7-8 seconds of thrill
Videos like this about cars like this make me question what I could've done better to put myself into a position to own a Porsche.
Avoid having kids, for a start.
Cool channel. Out of curiosity, who are these gents in the context of automotive journalism/road car testing? Well spoken chaps and a great presentation.
Love the channel. Miss Turbowski.
Hey babe time for another Savagegeese 911 Porsche video 🍿
I live my dreams through this channel. Thank you.
I don’t understand Mark’s comments about the GT3 being a better car? Of course it is. However, you just can’t go out and get a GT3 because there is a game that’s played by all dealers. Therefore, if you want a manual the GTS is your best option in the Porsche line-up. It’s frustrating that you can’t just walk in and buy a GT3……that’s why I’m in que for a GTS personally. I enjoy your channel! Keep up the good work and thanks.
You can’t just “walk in” and buy a GTS either
@@bentleygucci This
@@bentleygucci got one on order 😀
Thank you for making these shorter. Very good review
The GT3 has no alternative!!❤
Final Thoughts.
It's a very good car.
Rumble video platform is starting their outreach for great content creators and you guys are the best of the car world. I'm hoping you start posting on Rumble and monetize the heck out of it as your content is great!!!
The GTS trim is definitely the right balance.
Manual, of course, has the mechanical LSD. I think that mechanical LSD is pretty special. Rear end traction is amazing.
I love my GTS. the only thing id add, is that its hard to get one regardless of preference. Allocations are still tough these days and dont expect to pay MSRP unless you are a very valued VIP with your dealer. But once you get one, they are amazing!
I wouldn't pay over MSRP for anything.
Any 911 is hard to get an allocation for these days. I have a 2 year wait on a C2S 7MT
@@jordanbell4420 true enough!
Crazy world we live in these days.
@@OMGWTFLOLSMH you should be in ukraine, not sporting a flag out of ignorant allegiance.
When are they gonna change the gear ratios in the manual? I dont want to go 90mph in 2nd gear lol
You are right… 74-77 mph in 2nd gear… problem is it feels perfectly fine until you realize the speed you are going. I can’t push my car to redline in 3rd bc i will go to jail lmao
The price may be high, but one would be essentially getting two cars. One daily commuter, that literally (used correctly), can be a daily driver year round (even in the snow), and another car that is a fantastic track toy. All that for the price of...of....well....OK then..... the price of two cars. Ah...BUT only take up one garage space.... so there is the savings! =^P
My weekly magic carpet ride. Thank you.
GTS is to Porsche what 'is' models were to BMW or a Wolfsburg Edition was to VW -- the sweet spot of configuration and options with 'value pricing'.
I don’t even know what the hell that means and I own a 911 and have owned M3s in the past. I guess I’ve never even bothered to look at anything other than an M in the BMW line, what’s the point if you want the ultimate performance. And btw, why the crap does every single BMW now have an “M” on their license plate frame now, except the actual M cars? talk about annoying, it use to be something special.
Yes! I was so looking for this!! Got a November allocation arriving in Jan.
I shouldn't watch Porsche content. I cannot afford them brand new and I'm too big of a chicken to buy a used one I can actually afford. But damn, one day.... Anyhow great video! You guys truly are top shelf!
They are very reliable used options, you should do it! I had a 991.1 Carrera S and it was bulletproof.
Can’t wait till my dad buys one of these for my stepmom.
It’d be the best 26th birthday ever
It's a Porsche after all.. This car looks like its worth every penny...
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Is there any chance for the facelift Porsche will stick the GT4 engine in the 911 and give us a GTS 4.0? Now that would be the sweet spot.
911s come stock with more power than a GT4 tho
We need a GT3 Touring review
I prefer the Boxster mid engine top down back road romps
Love these porsche videos. Not because they're interesting, but because it's amusing how every porsche vid is almost identical and people in the comments react as if it's a novel video.
I saw you guys driving this on blood mountain during your first video.
Funny to see Mark get more Porsche pilled with every video 😏
Great review!
I hope they release a Carrera T this gen. Basically a base 911 with a light weight package and a manual.
They did
Porsche: "Test it and enjoy, but if you wreck it, you own it"... 😀
I have one coming on the 23rd of December. Not sure when the .2 is due out for the GTS is my only worry, other than the worry to have to pay for it!
@Yorkiepoocharlie GTS .2 will be a while off I’d say. I’m gonna ask the dealer when .2 GTS will land.
Would love a video on base 992
I really enjoyed the shoegaze-esque bump music, full album soon?
I feel like the sweet spot is a well optioned RS3. Still tens of thousands under the base price of a 911 and even more practicality. Plus, it's actually a car at the top of a range so it feels impressive, like you bought the car you really wanted, not like you stretched your budget to afford a bargain basement stripped base model 911 just to get that badge. Base 911 to me feels like that first year out of college when my friends were leasing the BMW 3 series base. Like, why? Just get a Camry SE V6 if you can't afford an M3. It'll help you save money to afford the better car later, too.
Plus that Camry will come in handy once or twice a year when the M3's engine fails...
@@georgehugh3455 should have added the TT RS, which is extremely impressive with 400hp and 25k less than the base 911
This thing is priced like a Super Sports car, yet I wouldn’t directly place it with things like GTR’s, Corvette Z06’s, Audi R8 V8’s? Its a very competent car that might not have the instant emotional excitement you look for in that price
Ugh what? Dude this car can go 0-60 in 3 seconds. And it’s available in a manual. How tf is that not enough for instant emotional excitement?😂
Jack casually conversing as the speedo breaks 115 while ripping around corners at full lateral grip.
Both the 992 GTS and the 991.2 GTS are a better option than the GT3 in many ways (quicker too in some circumstances). The lower down torque, smooth increase throughout the rev range, is a better drive.
The GTS is faster everywhere with all that torque available at 2200 rpm. The GT3 is a great track car but its not a good road car, I drove it for two days when I was in Santa monica. Steering is darty and ride is harsh and I couldnt redline it 9K on public roads. GT3 is exciting though, but I would go GTS if I had the money
Great review thanks
The obvious question in the room to me.
When will Porsche put the Double Wishbone front end from GT3 in the e rest of the 911 lineup?
My 23 MDX S comes with and I really like it allot better than my 17 Cayenne S.
Im sure its coming unless there is a packing problem...like a huge electric motor in the front.
Base Carrera is the sweet spot of any generation 911 the others are if you want "more"
In 2018, you could buy 31 MR2 Spyders for the same price of this one Porsche.
What 911 would you recommend for a everyday street car ? Thanks
Your Porsche reviews have made me want one badly. Just need to win the lottery? Any plans to release more t-shirts? Have been out of stock for some time now. Gracias
Yes! New SG video :) and a Porsche :)
Gentleman, it has an amplified voice. Not fake but it is using technical elements of the speakers to do aome.of the job.
2:45 freeze frame: why do Porsches all have wave pattern on their brake rotors? Ive noticed this on my 981 GTS and all of my friends Porsche 2 doors. Engineers tell me it's normal but isn't this usually a huge issue? I just don't understand the technical explaination to why it appears and why it's considered okay
The rotors on this video are new so that wave pattern isn't super visible by based on shade of the colors you can see it start to form. After a year or two the wave pattern is extremely noticeable like little hills on the rotors
so its the non turbo version of the turbo, but is turbocharged. got it, I think
Can you expand on your opinion of the harsh ride?
I have one coming in October with Normal PASM.
Will that be better for daily driver and interstate trips?
How does it compare to the Turbo/Turbo S in regards to sound isolation and ride comfort? I tried the GTS its a bit above average noisy, and the ride was a bit on the rough side (PASM Sport Option)
If i want to get a GTS, it would be the 4GTS in manual. That is a configuration no other 911 delivers including the new Sports Classic which comes only in rear wheel drive.
Keep referring to the front suspension layout difference vs the GT3 as a “strut” set up. You do know that both vehicles use struts, correct? I assume you meant the double wishbone vs McPherson multiLink design? Btw, no one complained about the front suspension of 911s (if driven properly) until the GT3 came out with the double wishbone, funny how that works. Oh, the GT3 also benefits from the incredible bite of the Cup 2R tire, yes, that’s not a single step (4S to Cup) but 2 steps up in grip level, 4S to Cup to CupR. I’d still rather have a GT3 of course, but some minor tweaks can get this (and even the C2S) fairly close to the GT3 in performance (many GT3 owners opt for 4S for the street, after they wear out the Cup tires anyway). Nice to see this with a proper manual
Actually alot of journalists/ drivers had complained about the front end of 911s for years. Particularly in cup car form. Lots of camber and the rest of the car being so good is how they got around it. The doublewish bone car just perfected it.
We call it strut to just shorted it versus saying macferson strut every time.
There is more information in the three gauges you can see than in the five gauges of the old cars.
When so configured the right center gauge shows: oil temp, oil pressure, analog fuel remaining and range, and battery voltage. It can also show: tire pressures, driving mode, map, compass and more.
So it doesn't really matter than you can't see the outer gauges without moving your head. All you have to move is your thumb.
Today I learned Jack doesn’t like deep dark holes
Also Porsche go fast
It’s funny how Jack gets a haircut whenever you two get in a car that’s worth driving.😅😅😅
Can’t wait to grab one on CPO in ~2 years. 😍
Wow, Porsche was really able to clean up this GTS so quickly from the Marianas Trench. At least we learned something from the Titanic wreckage.
I pull up in a Porsche 911, you still driving that boy shit 😎
So it’s just between GT3 and the regular Carrera, or a turbo S? Seems there were two answers at once.
How much louder is the LWP vs this one? Assuming same mic as your other LWP review, it sounds slightly louder.