14:17 You guys don't undestand how glad I was to find these specific clips while working on this video. It was perfect. Oddly enough, making these videos has been making me think: "I have been underestimating Ladybug." But it also made me think: "God this show's writing is frustrating." Edit: So, a comment pointed something out to me, and after doing some more research and thinking about Hollow Purple functions in the story, I've concluded that it isn't existence erasure, and Ladybug and Chat could probably tank it like Sukuna did with the 200% output one in Shinjuku. This tilts things slightly more in the heroes' favor.
The jjk fandom hypes or glazes their characters far too much, but I’m not really sure about it becoming a punching bag If anything I’ve seen more homelander stuff than jjk scaling
@@RaijinRainIt's slightly grounded but the real reason people pick the verse is because all of the Sukuna and Gojo wank so people are putting through the ringer.
I love how as soon as the heroes are allowed to ‘just kill people’, Chat Noir goes from a B tier Hero to an S tier. And believe me he deserves a chance to shine, even if it is just by spamming cataclysm.
The funny thing about the miraculous situation is that they're technically still weak in terms of their own verse. Chat and Ladybug will literally 100x be stronger when they're older.
Finally, a “versus the verse” battle style video which involves the whole verse working with(or against in some cases) each other instead of them 1v1-ing
@ayomideolufelo Yea I think that's something he forgot, that cat noir or lady could use the snake or bunny miraculous, or maybe he's just going just the ladybug and cat power and not the other one's, since some of the miraculous power or broken
@@Nerdonardo-1the video said it is a toss up. So Gojo doesn’t lose to 2 furry teens. He looses to 3. Bunnix is insane, Saas power is insane, freaking Claw Noir existence is a problem. The most fun part is he draws to one as he has no way to defeat CN if he clutches his fist while Cataclysm is active.
@@IdkIdk-vm4dmThe snake is not time related. Its related to quantum chance. No Kwami can dip in the domain of another Kwami. Fluuf is time Saas is chance So its even stronger than you think. Its not JJK we come to bargain. Its JJK we have bargained.
@@IdkIdk-vm4dm I would love to give a source on that but its been way too long since I deep dived into the franchise. But I think that Kwamis cannot dip into the domains of other Kwamis was explained either together with the wish near end season 2 start season 3 or in Evolution when Gabriel asks Orriko about the nature of his powers.
25:20 thought I should comment these points, Gojo's hollow purple isn't matter erasure. A miss-translation stated that it makes imaginary mass which people associated with becoming negative when squared and ran with it to say negative matter cancelled actual matter and there fore it's matter erasure, The actual translation should've stated Virtual mass where where an object behaves as if it has one Mass but actually has a different one So in truth Gojo's purple functions by shooting a projectile that interacts with the world as if it possesses incredible Mass more than it would appear to that simultaneously pushes and pulls anything it makes contact with now with this in mind and considering the incredible durability of Ladybug and Chat Noir I think there is a possibility that they can tank hollow purple, however without doing calculations and scaling either side's max output and defence myself I cannot say with confidence that either side will win. but I can say because of the nature of hollow purple, Chat Noir can possibly beat it with cataclysm. 25:08 The shrine doesn't dictate the expansion of the domain, and by destroying it nothing will happen. During the first domain clash, Gojo notes in his internal monologue, with surprise, that the shrine itself is the center of Sukuna's domain expansion, not Sukuna himself. Narratively, that Gege chose to specify this otherwise not very immediately relevant point tells us that it could be significant later. Directly following this, Yuji asks the others what would happen if the shrine was destroyed (another maybe narratively significant line). Kusakabe replies that "ordinarily" (word may vary depending on translation), objects manifested in innate domains are unimportant and may as well not even exists. Mei Mei then chimes in that if it was merely symbol of the domain, it could not be physically destroyed. Gojo's Six Eyes could characterize the shrine itself, and that if he hadn't destroyed it by now, there must not be a point. the shrine itself has been shown to be useless to attack. Gege uses the shrine as a visual metaphor for Sukuna's state of health. In the Gojo fight, when Sukuna's hit with red, it's messed up, but fixed when Sukuna heals himself. 27:35 Gojo has limitless, which essentially allow him to manipulate space, the portals created in miraculous are stationary and I have not recalled a episode where the portals have moved, and I don't believe Gojo himself will be willingly stepping through a portal that shows the vacuum of space where the sun resides.
Honestly Cat Noir by himself can solo the verse (Realistaclly cat noir can do anything cat blanc can do because cat blanc didn't get a boost he just had no time limit anmd became evil) and Adrien now has no time limit on top of that since it is the ladybug's equal (directly shown to cancel each other out) which means technically since the ladybug can create anything the cat can destroy anything with a snap of his fingers cat noir solos (same thing with ladybug).
@@Snowfox876 she can get the prison realm and then fly them into space not only that but I doubt she would even need it in the first place since they have faster than light scaling so lady bug already blitzing gojo and sukuna Their only hope is gojos domain which he wouldn’t be able to hit considering they would already have knowledge about it
@@Theworldoflegends-s9qNot really, the Cataclysm doesn't erase, it only destroys (Being the concept of destruction itself, sometimes depending on the object it touches it acts differently, rusting, breaking or rotting), and although it is true that miraculous users are able to resist these (Monarch and Cat Noir himself) as seen with Monarch the process of destruction or "Rotting" when dealing with organic matter continues to happen at a slower pace but does not stop. So things like "Haksi and the Nullifier" should more or less work.
He didn’t survived. He is a Senti. He isnt technically alive. The only thing that happened is that his connection to the ring got shattered. So technically he got stronger.
@@LalalaLala-e3y j'ai dit que le cataclysm peut effacer l'existence dans le sens qu'il peut tout détruire sans exception même des choses indestructible et des dimensions infini
something to remember unless they're adults in this they can only use a lucky charm or cataclysm once per transformation. meaning after usage they would have to detransform, so if Chat destroys a domain, he would need to flee and if any of our opponents here realize that chat is breaking their shit, they would kill chat especially if we're talk multiple opponents.
it was literally said in the video that ladybug and Chat no longer have that time limit weakness anymore and can use lucky charm and cataclysm as many times as they want without having to transform back.
The characters of MLB, particularly Marinette, have significant plot armor--plus they have it easy. In anime, you have to train, even with inborn abilities, but in MLB, the powers you get are natural, and don't require significant practice since it becomes intuitive to the miraculous user.
Gojo literally said that 80% of Jujutsu is just being Born with power and in MLB i agree with plot armor, in parts, since is literally her power and they still training, just off screen
I mean rn ben 10 is wiping the the floor with them but at their peak they might beat him (MLB scaling is like the new gen sailor moon people be sleepin on it but it gets crazy)
@urasize2big It's not nearly that busted. It just makes you unable to be broken with damage. Alien X can just undo it, and there are several aliens that don't directly harm you. Pesky Dust can just make the user deactivate their powers.
@@urasize2big Alien x be like: Ox: I'm immune to any ability u throw at me (Except just like physical hits, physical hits work on the ox) Alien x:... (Erases the concept of his immunity which he dosent rlly have to do one punch is enough to kill the ox because of alien x's raw strength)
The thumbnail literally says everything, Gojo's getting divided (again) by a giant red-blavk polka-dotted knife, and Sukuna's getting turned to ash with cataclysm. The fact you even had to nerf these guys so JJK stands a chance says enough. Hard-stomp mid-diff
You are only the few who tackles Miraculous characters in vs debating which is impressive, I have a Matchup which is quite interesting for you to tackle, if you don't mind that is. Hawk Moth vs Emperor Belos from the Owl House, I choose this MU since it lets both characters use everything in their arsenal, For this particular mu, it would be interesting if you tackled everything from Hawk Moth's has gained (miraculous he has in his arsenal like the peacock and the majority of the Chinese miracle box) and Belos's various magic he could use from (I.E the various covens he's made) even playing their various armies to the fight and even their nonstandard army members like cat blanc and the Collector could play into account. Hell even comparing Titan belos vs Monarch and Strikeback would be fun Comparing Miraculous vs Titan and Collector Magic would be a fun time researching too.
Hollow purple erasing existance is appearently a mistranslation. It's actually just red and blue constantly pushing and pulling each other creating a buzzsaw-like mechanism. I don't really know how to explain the nuke version with any of these interpretations, but if Cat Blanc who created a nearly universe sized cataclysm in a matter of seconds or that time traveler bunny show up, it's over for JJK. My little sister used to watch this show all the time, sometimes I joined. The characters seemed relatively weak to me at first but one day I walked in while the episode with Cat Blanc was playing and that was one of the most random things I've ever experienced
With ladybug miraculous when she had full control over it she can create anything she wants not like in early episode she got a pencil or some other random thing, In her fight with monarch in the finale season she was able to create hand cuffs, piano. So as of season 5 she can create any weapon she wants and with even saying lucky charm she can create another weapon, she in theory she can create curse gear, of in she's gojo void she can create glass or a suit that protects her mind from all that knowledge and all cat noir would need to do is say cataclysm and his void will be destroyed, then ladybug and cat noir can fight gojo and sukana and win. Maybe I'm underestimating jjk, but I think ladybug and cat noir would be able to handle gojo domain
And without bringing the fact that they have a whole damn superhero team and one of the heroes can literally rewind time any moment or create sentimonsters or have a resistance to any power..and hell they have a whole damn time machine
Literally all itd take is chat using the ox to become literally immune to anything categorized as a "power" and able to destroy anything that isnt Like bias aside its insane miraculous just casually introduced total immunity to anything and everything as an ability and just glossed over it as much as it did
cant ladybug make anything that she can imagine or something akin to this? If so couldn't she make something that makes her and chat noir: impervious to all attacks/ anything that can harm them something that can deal an infinite amount of damage regardless of any resistances/ anything like block it (like that true damage thing) have 100% accuracy with homing infinite range so they don't need to know the jjk verses abilities? Granted I'm not 100% sure what that would be(as in the thing that makes them immune/deal infinite damage/ 100% accuracy/ infinite range) and or if ladybug can do this nor if they're any restrictions other than imagination. Or could she and chat noir fly into space, she makes a something that increase the damage and range of cataclysm and then Chat noir destroys earth (or the area where the fight is taking place). Assuming this takes place on earth and not a weird pocket dimension, my first point is true and that ladybug and chat noir only want to kill them and nothing else. However this all hinges on my first point and that this is argument is probably a cop out. All I know is that my first point was mentioned in the story by Alya and that ladybug make that butterfly blocking charm due to this. Also Ladybug And Chat Noir would have to be able to think of this which either they have the biggest brains in the galaxy or they have no brain just depends on the writing in the show. I've also realised this concept got introduced in season 4 and it took until season 5 to kill him
I feel like Unlimited void wouldn’t affect them as their kwamis have been shown to exist in every possible universe at once and Yk transforming makes them one with their kwami so idk but that’s just me
True and also since ladybug can create anything she could create something either a suit our glasses to make them not effected by unlimited void. And also your right, since in the Landon special she wasn't surprised when future ladybug was using her and all tikki said was what time are we maybe I got what she said wrong but it along those lines.
@@lostokyo1932 people forget The Ladybug Miraculous' lucky charm can basically create anything, it can create a thing that could possibly nullify Domains, the only reason why the lucky charm is kinda wonky to use at Moment is because of kids are wielding it.
ahem. Nino Lahiffe, here is the miraculous of the turtle- Alya Cesaire, here is the miraculous of the fox- Zoe Lee, here is the miraculous of the bee- Mylene Haprele, here is the miraculous of the mouse- Ivan Bruel, here is the miraculous of the ox- Juleka Couffaine, here is the miraculous of the tiger- Alix Kubdel, here is the miraculous of the rabbit- Kagami Tsurugi, here is the miraculous of the dragon- Luka Couffaine, here is the miraculous of the snake- Max Kante, here is the miraculous of the horse- Nathaniel Kurtzberg, here is the miraculous of the goat- Le Chien Kim, here is the miraculous of the monkey- Marc Anciel, here is the miraculous of the rooster- Sabrina Raincomprix, here is the miraculous of the dog- Rose Lavillant, here is the miraculous of the pig-
remember: cat blanc created a cataclysm that would destroy the universe that was expanding faster than the speed of light (more than 100 thousand times from what I researched)
mind you tikki is in EVERY universe and she knows everything so she can just tell marinette everything she knows about jjk universe (based on the shadybug & clawnoir special) and or as shown in the series ladybug can make ANYTHING, and that's literally all they need to beat jjk 🤷🏻
the thing about miraculous is they're show is kids friendly so they don't show how much stronger their powers could be they're always held back by being appropriate for kids, if it was an anime like jjk they would completely demolished everyone, and well, you said it first miraculous verse are still teens and yet they have a chance to destroy jjk now imagine them in their adult form
One thing that is just the ultimate trump card is if ladybug takes chat noirs miraculous and summons gimmi( when you are speaking to gimmi no one can reach you so that could even let ladybug use that space as an invincible shield to think and recuperate) or just use the wish to kill everyone who is opposing them and i know you said chat noir wouldnt be sending of any nuclear cataclysms but canonically rena ruge tells ladybug after doing some research that the only limit to ladybugs power is any limit she places on her self and this appies to all of the miraculouses. Also loved the video it was really cool to see someone talking about miraculous
Ladybug and Cat Noir bring strategic teamwork, agility, and miraculous powers, while Jujutsu Kaisen characters wield immense cursed energy, raw strength, and domain expansions. The outcome depends on whether the Miraculous duo can outmaneuver overwhelming supernatural power with wit and precision.
Whats even more funny is that Hawkmoth or Betterfly could've akumatized anyone like Ladybug Or Catnoir also Any Sorcerers depending if they are aware how akumas work. He could give The Miraculous Verse an edge by boosting their powers and also turning a sorcerer into their side
@JesseGolo also since ladybug is now the holder of the miracle box, she can access through any miraculouses. There's also the peacock miraculous that can give birth to a sentimonster, the fox that can give illusions, and bee that can paralyzed sorcerers and also the rooster if NOT THE ONE MIRACULOUS I WOULD CONSIDER OP SINCE IT CAN GRANT ANY POWERS YOU WANT (FROM TRAVELLING TO DIFFERENT UNIVERSES TO INVISIBILITY) also the ox which can protect the holder
I honestly never would have expected any of the Miraculous characters to be so ridiculously powerful from the few episodes I watched with my younger siblings.
@skytheemperor The Paris Special is probably the best one to date, and the London Special sets up a lot of interesting stuff. While I am intrigued to see where they're going, MLB has a track record of never meeting the expectations they set up and we're left heavily disappointed.
You guys don’t understand gojo can use his domain to flood the entire verses mind with knowledge and sukuna can slash them with his domain and I’m not sure if cataclysm could work on gojos infinity. They can just kill ladybug before she uses her lucky charm.
You do realize that by saying the verse, you are also including the kwami. And gojo infinite void wouldn’t work on the kwami due to the fact that they already processing infinite information much all the time. And sukuna domain isn’t powerful enough to deal any real damage to them. And if you mean the non kwami characters, you do realize the oc miraculous would protect the user (like say Adrien) from both gojo and sukuna domain. Assuming either character are fast enough to pop their domain open.
Personally I believe the Domain Expansion that randomly puts one of the occupants on trial would spell certain doom for either of the two, Ladybug especially.
Yea cat noir is somewhat fine both in and out of the suit discounting blanc ofc Ladybug on the other hand (marinette is a Stocker and would 100% get her weapon i.e the earings removed for all of that)
@@DeborahAkhide I know the Ladybug and Chat being put up against JJK are from the end of the series, but at virtually any other point they'd be dead if they had already used Lucky Charm and Cataclysm prior to being Domain Expansion'd
@trolledfordrip Considering that the Domain can put someone on trial for even the slightest act that could be construed as criminal behavior, Adrien might not be as safe as you think. Ladybug, however, is practically a guarantee-and if nothing else, she'd have a *lot* of explaining to do afterwards.
Me when sukuna sacrifices his left pinky toe to be immune to any miraculous’s Me when Gojo blacklash’s and does his power of 2.5 punch (it has the same energy as the tsar bomba) Okay jokes outta the way. If they fight Gojo or Sukuna, it’s a toss up. Anyone else? Yeah uh…
Ladybug is faster than anyone in JJK cause she can just turn into CosmoBug, who was shown to be able to travel from Paris to London in like 5 seconds and has been dodging lightning since episode one. Her durability to physical attacks can also be scaled higher than anyone from JJK since her suit is durable enough to stop a cataclysm. As for strength, she doesn’t need it cause her lucky charm gives her an instant win.
oh goodie, its another 'children cartoon characters turbo outscale anime characters because the writers give very little care to realistic consistent powerscaling' episode. also why on earth are we putting city block characters vs people who are powered by reality-warping Gods?
in other words in the 4 minutes and 11 seconds following a domain expansion hakari is effectively useless cuz he either gets deleted using cataclysm or literally camped until cat can transform a 2nd time and use a 2nd cataclysm after deleting infinity the only other option is he becomes deadpool for the 4 minutes and 11 seconds until it ends and he insta dies
Wait, Doesn't ladybug have the Ability To Like- Erase Negative Energy(Kinda)? And Isn't cursed energy made out of negative emotions? So theoretically speaking ladybug would win.(?) 🤔💀
Cat noir is him!!! Love cataclysm what a powerful ability. Ladybug can clutch up with creation and support him but man cataclysm in a combat scenario is better
Bunnix or the rabbit miraculous can just go back in time, and keep trying and trying, the snake miraculous or Viperion can also go back a time. Cataclysm could probably work, however it will be tricky.
26:48 Honestly why I dropped MLBC in one sentence.When everything just can be resolved that easily,it gets boring (and I wouldn't continue that with the word 'quick' cause it took me 3 seasons to realise that they're not gonna do anything interesting lol)
@@claudius3359 I clicked on the timestamp to figure out what line you were talking about and I couldn't help but laugh. Personally, I think that both sides of the conflict were so overpowered that nothing but bad writing could keep the story going for five seasons.
@@JesseGolo Bro you've no idea how loud I laughed at your reply too 💀 (cause it's so true,it's kinda outrageous) Tho for me,JJK & MLB's bad writing is funnily the complete opposite of each other.Astruc wants Marinette to always be perfect & right,while Gege has enough detachment from his characters that he keeps killing them left and right that I heard they don't even have time to develop.
I gotta disagree with the ending here, Ladybug and Cat Noir could absolutely clinch a win out even with the Domain Expansions and Hollow Purple, even without added canon powers like the Snake, Bunny, or Dragon. With Gojo, Cat Noir solo stomps him, and stomps him harder with Ladybug's help and deductive reasoning of Gojo's abilities, as Cataclysm can destroy energy and pocket dimensions before they affect Cat. So, Cat could absolutely counter Hollow Purple, break past Limitless, and also destroy Unlimited Void. Cat has also shown resilience to time-based effects, such as when he went through a time loop for over 8 months straight without negative mental effects, so he likely could resist Unlimited Void for even the second it would take for Cataclysm to destroy the Domain. Ladybug could also undo the erasure of Hollow Purple if required with her MLB butterfly restoration wave. With Sukuna, its Ladybug's time to shine. Especially with a Lucky Charm to help her, she could absolutely deduce the weak point in Malevolent Shrine, and the heroes would have that time to since the slashes of Dismantle and Cleave would be able to be parried by their canonically indestructible weaponry being the perfect shields. Alternatively, Cat Noir can extend the range of Cataclysm to anything touching what he is touching even without the added power of his Cat Blanc form, so he could also just destroy the entire created space of Sukuna's Domain if required. And this wouldn't even be considering any extra Miraculous powers that Ladybug could wield as Guardian (from season 4 onwards).
21:03 If I remember correctly this however was only possible because LB had her luckycharm specifically counteracted it. Also another small thing that shouldn’t be eratad yet is that Kwamis cannot create/enter the domain of another Kwami. As movement is part of Kaalkis domain and Fluuf has the domain over time while Saas has the domain over Chance the miraculous ladybugs don’t move objects. They specifically undo stuff a threat caused. This is in a certain way more powerful as you basically create new time lines (most likely through Quantum theory and its loops) however all this means is that you need three groups to at least overwhelm LB and CN. 1 group fighting them 1 group setting up destructions and 1 group entering the fight at an different time. So Tikki can’t cover all options. If I understand the video correctly JJK has enough powerful characters so each group has a viable threat to them. Not necessarily to kill them as CN is immortal as he is a Senti and the ring that holds his Amok is transformed with him and the suit of CN protects him. So after the fight earth as we know it is destroyed and CN and LB won. Depending on where this battle takes place we now have either a stalemate or a win for LB and CN. If it is in the universe of JJK or a random plane (aka pure powerscaling) they won. If it is in their own universe they also loose the moment earth is destroyed. Because at this point Alix dies (at least if we assume there is no threat anymore to her directly and she can return from the rabbit hole). And if Alix, or honestly her father as well, dies as well three time loops collapse leaving creating a limbo where LB and CN can and cannot exist at the same time (because of freaking Evolution ruining everything that was great about Miraculous), as in Evolution we see that the existence of Bunnix who exist through LBs input Master Fu knows who to give the miraculous too. So without Bunnix, Fu wouldn’t have given the miraculous of LB and CN to LB and CN and Bunnix only exist in her form because of LB and CN. So removing Alix from the equation who is Bunnix would create a limbo. Also what is interesting because of this is the fact that LB and CN are basically immortal (as in necessary for the flow of time). But this all only really happens if JJK has any character like Strange who can predict the future.
Wait if we assume that kenjaku still has the prison realm then imagine the takaba and prison realm combo (I know the prison realm is still technicly underwater but if we give everyone theyre tools this would technicly be possible but if you dont want to do that then we can sacrifice mai to make it)
To defeat LB and CN we need a character/ a team of characters that can do the following while we assume we are in the universe of LB and CN. 1. The ability of foresight. 2. The ability of teleportation. 3. The ability to kill an invincible time traveler. 4. The ability to survive a collapsing time loop. 5. The speed necessary to survive. 6. The endurance to survive. Because here is the plan. 1. Get the information that Alix is the key to the powers of LB and CN. 2. Defeat Bunnix who can summon other versions of the LB and CN. 3. Kill Alix. 4. Try to survive the concept of reality ceasing to exist. So we need Gwenpool or a character on a similar power level (4th wall break and the ability to exist without one reality). And that assumes Alix exist in the universe. Otherwise we need a way to kill through realities. This all needs to be in one person btw.
what stops her from using the miraculous of cat and ladybug and wish that verse out of existence sure there is going to be a price for it like a whole other verse being created but that still gets the job done
@@FirstLast-hd4oe I guess that's a possible, but personally, I highly doubt Inumaki would be able to freely control either Maki or Toji. I guess that's just my interpretation of the narrative given how the heavenly restriction users are portrayed in relation to the verse.
Honestly the idea of Plagg or Tikki turning Mahito into paste Sukuna style is so funny. Also tehnically the duo would have a advantage if we didn't equalise them to have CE. Souls and Ghost along with magic existing in MLB and the duo have never had problems interacting with or seeing those things unless its directly stated they are invisible by choice. Without CE domains wouldn't work on them so they wouldn't have to worry about Unlimited void. Hollow purple even if it is Existance erasure (which it isn't, Stronger characters have blocked it) would still be negligable since Chat would destroy it and Miraculous holders have tanked the cataclysm, which is destruction itself. And something else that might be a factor. Who are ladybug and chat noir? Yes they are Marrinette and Adrien but tehnically they are only the wielders of their miraculous. If Marinette and Adrien do die, then Plagg might literally decide to just destroy the planet if not the whole universe and then Tikki just remakes it. JJK looses because Ladybug and Chatt noir are literally immortal conceptual gods.
Against one LB yes. Against infinite (as this is possible on three different levels: Time travel (Bunnix), Dimensions (Kwami of Dimensions) and AUs (Shady bug and Claw Noir)). This seems more unlikely especially since they have both the same reality warping powers.
To defeat LB and CN we need a character/ a team of characters that can do the following while we assume we are in the universe of LB and CN. 1. The ability of foresight. 2. The ability of teleportation. 3. The ability to kill an invincible time traveler. 4. The ability to survive a collapsing time loop. 5. The speed necessary to survive. 6. The endurance to survive. Because here is the plan. 1. Get the information that Alix is the key to the powers of LB and CN. 2. Defeat Bunnix who can summon other versions of the LB and CN. 3. Kill Alix. 4. Try to survive the concept of reality ceasing to exist. So we need Gwenpool or a character on a similar power level (4th wall break and the ability to exist without one reality). And that assumes Alix exist in the universe. Otherwise we need a way to kill through realities. This all needs to be more or less in one person btw. Another way would be time travel to the moment where the senti rings where created and take control over Adrien this way. But again they would need to do so in a way where any version of Bunnix cannot get them. Something that should not be possible except if you don’t exist (like the sh*t Lila did). But honestly even then we have a problem. Because we know of the existence of a Kwami of Dimensions So to act you need to exist somewhere in a dimension and reality within a time. So even if you don’t exist but cause a threat Bunnix could save LB. But all this shows is the fact that Quantum probability is the best power anywhere paired with decent speed.
you know, if the guardians of the miraculous were actually doing their job during the Heian Era, Sukuna probobly had gone up against miraculous users. if he hasn't...well that would really speak of how negligible the organization was.
todo and mahito would be enough. Mahito makes a clone. Since they have cursed energy,I assume the weapons do too. So Todo switches Chat's and Ladybugs weapons with mahito,and its a free touch. THEY ARE DOONNNNNNNE-
@@kikor4954 Not everyone can use rct, and even then chat’s cataclysm will destory their bodies faster than they can heal themselves. I’m guessing you didn’t watch the video. And you can’t just give jjk characters never before seen binding vows just to make them win fights, that’s both a no limits fallacy and giving them plot armor.
Just got back into the fandom because of a pmmm fic and it was very very very long. And very wordy. So i know alot of shit about it. And damn, i knew they were op, but this op?
what you forgot is, the sheer amount of plot bunkering and writer bs ladybug gets with her miracoulous, in this scenario she'll probably get something like a glass shard and just incapacitate, gojo, sukuna and 4 closest foes because bullshit
I still think that Marinette and Adrien won't even be able to track the JJK characters because of the speed difference and the worst here is Mahito who won't get a scratch and Gojo with the infinite void and Sukuna with an attack that cuts through space-time and Domin negates solidity and tears the soul
it literally explains in the video that ladybug and chat are significantly faster than JJK characters. heck jesse had to nerf ladybug and chat's speed just to avoid them simply speed blitzing the verse.
@samularsaber7943 I think that the speed of the strongest JJK characters is at least two or three times faster than light, and the strongest Maracleus characters are at best at the speed of light, and even in terms of hax, the superiority of most of the White Cat Jujutsu characters is the only real problem for the JJK characters.
14:17 You guys don't undestand how glad I was to find these specific clips while working on this video. It was perfect.
Oddly enough, making these videos has been making me think: "I have been underestimating Ladybug." But it also made me think: "God this show's writing is frustrating."
Edit: So, a comment pointed something out to me, and after doing some more research and thinking about Hollow Purple functions in the story, I've concluded that it isn't existence erasure, and Ladybug and Chat could probably tank it like Sukuna did with the 200% output one in Shinjuku. This tilts things slightly more in the heroes' favor.
bruh yeah miraculous has multversal feats
I just want the show to get a PG-13 reboot and remove Astruc from the writing/directing areas.
@@OpticalSorcerer gojo and sukuna are not beating gimmi
@@OpticalSorcerer imaging seen lady bug beat the bricks out of villains then kiling them before rrturning them to live with the bugs
do lady bug and cat noir vs power rangers mystuc force or dbz
JJK has officially become the new punching bag of the powerscaling community
And rightfully so
cuz everyone is glazing gojo and sukuna
The jjk fandom hypes or glazes their characters far too much, but I’m not really sure about it becoming a punching bag
If anything I’ve seen more homelander stuff than jjk scaling
Gee, almost as if Gege made the characters grounded slightly so the power scaling isn't all wonky.
@@RaijinRainIt's slightly grounded but the real reason people pick the verse is because all of the Sukuna and Gojo wank so people are putting through the ringer.
I love how as soon as the heroes are allowed to ‘just kill people’, Chat Noir goes from a B tier Hero to an S tier. And believe me he deserves a chance to shine, even if it is just by spamming cataclysm.
@AnimbotionsNo, they “grew” for some reason now they can use their power infinitely.
@Animbotions as of the latest season due to plot armour bs, the heroes can now use their powers indefinitely.
Everybody gangster until Cat Noir says "CATACLYSM!!"
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Cat Noir gangsta until Gojo said "Unlimited Void" or Sukuna pulls the Mavelovent kitchen.
@@wrigthtalekenavi2066cat blanc can literally spit on them
@@wrigthtalekenavi2066gojo and sukuna gangsta until ladybug pulls out the other miraculous
@skytheemperor we said chat noir
The funny thing about the miraculous situation is that they're technically still weak in terms of their own verse. Chat and Ladybug will literally 100x be stronger when they're older.
With just an old chatnoir spamming Cataclysm its over for jjk verse lol
Isnt it chad noir? i think its just Jesse's accent but i do think it is chad
@Frozengreen757 It's chat
@Frozengreen757its cat..... he is a black cat, noir meanes black and he Has the cat miraculus
They're weak and will forever be. Getting marginally stronger won't ever get them to JJK level
Finally, a “versus the verse” battle style video which involves the whole verse working with(or against in some cases) each other instead of them 1v1-ing
Now imagine If Marinette uses the other miraculous like the rooster one to just give her immunity to anything cursed energy related.
nah, that's impossible
@@Rifter46 Actually, it isn't.
@@Rifter46That's not a wish so it's possible
@@Rifter46 the rooster miraculous can give you any power no limit cause we see that monarch give himself powers to travel to other dimensions
@@DeborahAkhide there is like 3 limits.
"Luckycharm"
And ladybug gets johnny's stand to open the gojo infinite like a can
CHHHUMMIIINNNN
Not the tusk act4
Miraculous power scaling are crazy
The snake and bunny miraculous are time based so they can keep trying and trying again
I just remembered they can merge miraculous
@ayomideolufelo Yea I think that's something he forgot, that cat noir or lady could use the snake or bunny miraculous, or maybe he's just going just the ladybug and cat power and not the other one's, since some of the miraculous power or broken
@@Jshy1479 he was going with just ladybug and chatnoir cuz like he said it wouldn't even be fair for jjk verse and hes not wrong
@ lol fr but with those to it isnt fair
and if you merge them both, who knows what they can do? snake lets you actually try over and over, bunny lets you travel...
Guys imagine gojo losing again 2 teenagers with a microwave and funny costumes (I'm all for it, I love this thought)
losing to 2 furry teenagers
@@Nerdonardo-1the video said it is a toss up.
So Gojo doesn’t lose to 2 furry teens.
He looses to 3.
Bunnix is insane, Saas power is insane, freaking Claw Noir existence is a problem.
The most fun part is he draws to one as he has no way to defeat CN if he clutches his fist while Cataclysm is active.
Lucky charm never fails
If bunnix decides to help it's over for jjk
For sure, and bring Butterfly and The Rooster maybe Viperion and kagami's lady dragon
Bunnix da goat. Also the snake miraculous is time related so 'JJK I've come to bargain'
@@IdkIdk-vm4dmThe snake is not time related.
Its related to quantum chance.
No Kwami can dip in the domain of another Kwami.
Fluuf is time
Saas is chance
So its even stronger than you think.
Its not JJK we come to bargain.
Its JJK we have bargained.
@aetherwolf9288 lmao, that's great. Did not know that, the more ya know huh. Thx for the info 😄
@@IdkIdk-vm4dm I would love to give a source on that but its been way too long since I deep dived into the franchise.
But I think that Kwamis cannot dip into the domains of other Kwamis was explained either together with the wish near end season 2 start season 3 or in Evolution when Gabriel asks Orriko about the nature of his powers.
Yeah, totally didn't expect a debate like this one. Still a really good video!!!!!
25:20 thought I should comment these points, Gojo's hollow purple isn't matter erasure.
A miss-translation stated that it makes imaginary mass which people associated with becoming negative when squared and ran with it to say negative matter cancelled actual matter and there fore it's matter erasure,
The actual translation should've stated Virtual mass where where an object behaves as if it has one Mass but actually has a different one
So in truth Gojo's purple functions by shooting a projectile that interacts with the world as if it possesses incredible Mass more than it would appear to that simultaneously pushes and pulls anything it makes contact with
now with this in mind and considering the incredible durability of Ladybug and Chat Noir I think there is a possibility that they can tank hollow purple, however without doing calculations and scaling either side's max output and defence myself I cannot say with confidence that either side will win. but I can say because of the nature of hollow purple, Chat Noir can possibly beat it with cataclysm.
25:08 The shrine doesn't dictate the expansion of the domain, and by destroying it nothing will happen.
During the first domain clash, Gojo notes in his internal monologue, with surprise, that the shrine itself is the center of Sukuna's domain expansion, not Sukuna himself. Narratively, that Gege chose to specify this otherwise not very immediately relevant point tells us that it could be significant later.
Directly following this, Yuji asks the others what would happen if the shrine was destroyed (another maybe narratively significant line).
Kusakabe replies that "ordinarily" (word may vary depending on translation), objects manifested in innate domains are unimportant and may as well not even exists. Mei Mei then chimes in that if it was merely symbol of the domain, it could not be physically destroyed. Gojo's Six Eyes could characterize the shrine itself, and that if he hadn't destroyed it by now, there must not be a point.
the shrine itself has been shown to be useless to attack. Gege uses the shrine as a visual metaphor for Sukuna's state of health. In the Gojo fight, when Sukuna's hit with red, it's messed up, but fixed when Sukuna heals himself.
27:35 Gojo has limitless, which essentially allow him to manipulate space, the portals created in miraculous are stationary and I have not recalled a episode where the portals have moved, and I don't believe Gojo himself will be willingly stepping through a portal that shows the vacuum of space where the sun resides.
ngl ladybug with inverted spear would go hard
Strapping that shi to the yoyo would go crazy
Honestly Cat Noir by himself can solo the verse (Realistaclly cat noir can do anything cat blanc can do because cat blanc didn't get a boost he just had no time limit anmd became evil) and Adrien now has no time limit on top of that since it is the ladybug's equal (directly shown to cancel each other out) which means technically since the ladybug can create anything the cat can destroy anything with a snap of his fingers cat noir solos (same thing with ladybug).
He doesn't know how to do the Cataclysm Bomb because he was never in a situation that had him learn it
@@duskyfordays7657 Well realistically he can do it so if like say gojo or something puts him in a bad position he can easily try it and succeed
I feel like some random fuckery would stop them.
@LalalaLala-e3y saying he would try it would leave to much room for failure if he never learned how in the first place
Bro let's be realistic. This chat noir ain't surviving a hollow purple and gojo has infinity and I've not even taken to account sukuna with mahoraga
Jujustu kaisen is partying until lady bug says “LUCKY CHARM”
I mean she prob can beat them all up with a serial box
@Farne536No what she camt
She's boutta get nth
@@Snowfox876 she can get the prison realm and then fly them into space not only that but I doubt she would even need it in the first place since they have faster than light scaling so lady bug already blitzing gojo and sukuna
Their only hope is gojos domain which he wouldn’t be able to hit considering they would already have knowledge about it
Nah if ladyubug and catnoir merge miraculouses its over
Cat noir got hit by his own cataclysm so I think he can tank hollow purple
NON , c est pas la même , le cataclysm est comme le hakai , il peut tout supprimer de l'existence
@@Theworldoflegends-s9qNot really, the Cataclysm doesn't erase, it only destroys (Being the concept of destruction itself, sometimes depending on the object it touches it acts differently, rusting, breaking or rotting), and although it is true that miraculous users are able to resist these (Monarch and Cat Noir himself) as seen with Monarch the process of destruction or "Rotting" when dealing with organic matter continues to happen at a slower pace but does not stop. So things like "Haksi and the Nullifier" should more or less work.
@@Theworldoflegends-s9qÇa c'est où t'a faux hakai enlève l'existence le cataclysm sa désintégre seulement
He didn’t survived.
He is a Senti. He isnt technically alive.
The only thing that happened is that his connection to the ring got shattered.
So technically he got stronger.
@@LalalaLala-e3y j'ai dit que le cataclysm peut effacer l'existence dans le sens qu'il peut tout détruire sans exception même des choses indestructible et des dimensions infini
something to remember unless they're adults in this they can only use a lucky charm or cataclysm once per transformation. meaning after usage they would have to detransform, so if Chat destroys a domain, he would need to flee and if any of our opponents here realize that chat is breaking their shit, they would kill chat especially if we're talk multiple opponents.
@@irmuusanaa4227 I address this in the video.
-_- have you not seen the last season .
it was literally said in the video that ladybug and Chat no longer have that time limit weakness anymore and can use lucky charm and cataclysm as many times as they want without having to transform back.
ladybug and chat noir evolved their powers in the fifth season so they no longer have to detransform after using thier powers
They surpassed their limits in season 5 they can use it multiple times
The butterfly miraculous would just create a hero that would rival the verse💀
Lol
This is the most random ahh combination in all time
The characters of MLB, particularly Marinette, have significant plot armor--plus they have it easy. In anime, you have to train, even with inborn abilities, but in MLB, the powers you get are natural, and don't require significant practice since it becomes intuitive to the miraculous user.
80% of innate talent was born with sorry if it sound weird
Anime characters also have significant plot armor, Sukuna is especially known for having this.
Gojo literally said that 80% of Jujutsu is just being Born with power and in MLB i agree with plot armor, in parts, since is literally her power and they still training, just off screen
@@samularsaber7943 True; that's what makes shonen stories suck sometimes.
Marinettes plot armour is her solution to everything.
Oh and, she's a mary sue.
But they're french.
16:05 okay this git me; subscribed!!
Thanks for the incredibly entertaining videos with mlb!!!
We now need Ben 10 Vs Ladybug and Chatnoir and if necessary the Entirety of the MLB Verse Against the Goat Ben 10
I mean rn ben 10 is wiping the the floor with them but at their peak they might beat him (MLB scaling is like the new gen sailor moon people be sleepin on it but it gets crazy)
Could just get the ox miraculous and would win easily
@urasize2big It's not nearly that busted. It just makes you unable to be broken with damage. Alien X can just undo it, and there are several aliens that don't directly harm you. Pesky Dust can just make the user deactivate their powers.
@@urasize2big Alien x be like:
Ox: I'm immune to any ability u throw at me (Except just like physical hits, physical hits work on the ox)
Alien x:... (Erases the concept of his immunity which he dosent rlly have to do one punch is enough to kill the ox because of alien x's raw strength)
@LalalaLala-e3y then unify cat and ladybugs miraculous and wish for the erasure of Ben 10s verse. That's just 1 way I could think of them winning.
Dude these videos are so entertaining make more of these
The thumbnail literally says everything, Gojo's getting divided (again) by a giant red-blavk polka-dotted knife, and Sukuna's getting turned to ash with cataclysm. The fact you even had to nerf these guys so JJK stands a chance says enough. Hard-stomp mid-diff
@@justane517 i almost forgot At some point Ladybug did have a big ass cleaver
You are only the few who tackles Miraculous characters in vs debating which is impressive, I have a Matchup which is quite interesting for you to tackle, if you don't mind that is.
Hawk Moth vs Emperor Belos from the Owl House,
I choose this MU since it lets both characters use everything in their arsenal, For this particular mu, it would be interesting if you tackled everything from Hawk Moth's has gained (miraculous he has in his arsenal like the peacock and the majority of the Chinese miracle box) and Belos's various magic he could use from (I.E the various covens he's made) even playing their various armies to the fight and even their nonstandard army members like cat blanc and the Collector could play into account. Hell even comparing Titan belos vs Monarch and Strikeback would be fun
Comparing Miraculous vs Titan and Collector Magic would be a fun time researching too.
Hollow purple erasing existance is appearently a mistranslation. It's actually just red and blue constantly pushing and pulling each other creating a buzzsaw-like mechanism. I don't really know how to explain the nuke version with any of these interpretations, but if Cat Blanc who created a nearly universe sized cataclysm in a matter of seconds or that time traveler bunny show up, it's over for JJK.
My little sister used to watch this show all the time, sometimes I joined. The characters seemed relatively weak to me at first but one day I walked in while the episode with Cat Blanc was playing and that was one of the most random things I've ever experienced
Fun analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
With ladybug miraculous when she had full control over it she can create anything she wants not like in early episode she got a pencil or some other random thing, In her fight with monarch in the finale season she was able to create hand cuffs, piano. So as of season 5 she can create any weapon she wants and with even saying lucky charm she can create another weapon, she in theory she can create curse gear, of in she's gojo void she can create glass or a suit that protects her mind from all that knowledge and all cat noir would need to do is say cataclysm and his void will be destroyed, then ladybug and cat noir can fight gojo and sukana and win. Maybe I'm underestimating jjk, but I think ladybug and cat noir would be able to handle gojo domain
Everyone gangsta untill Ladybug pulls out the rooster
Hollow purple is NOT existence eraser , it's 2025 , gojo is fodder.
And without bringing the fact that they have a whole damn superhero team and one of the heroes can literally rewind time any moment or create sentimonsters or have a resistance to any power..and hell they have a whole damn time machine
Literally all itd take is chat using the ox to become literally immune to anything categorized as a "power" and able to destroy anything that isnt
Like bias aside its insane miraculous just casually introduced total immunity to anything and everything as an ability and just glossed over it as much as it did
cant ladybug make anything that she can imagine or something akin to this? If so couldn't she make something that makes her and chat noir:
impervious to all attacks/ anything that can harm them
something that can deal an infinite amount of damage regardless of any resistances/ anything like block it (like that true damage thing)
have 100% accuracy with homing
infinite range so they don't need to know the jjk verses abilities?
Granted I'm not 100% sure what that would be(as in the thing that makes them immune/deal infinite damage/ 100% accuracy/ infinite range) and or if ladybug can do this nor if they're any restrictions other than imagination.
Or could she and chat noir fly into space, she makes a something that increase the damage and range of cataclysm and then Chat noir destroys earth (or the area where the fight is taking place).
Assuming this takes place on earth and not a weird pocket dimension, my first point is true and that ladybug and chat noir only want to kill them and nothing else.
However this all hinges on my first point and that this is argument is probably a cop out. All I know is that my first point was mentioned in the story by Alya and that ladybug make that butterfly blocking charm due to this. Also Ladybug And Chat Noir would have to be able to think of this which either they have the biggest brains in the galaxy or they have no brain just depends on the writing in the show.
I've also realised this concept got introduced in season 4 and it took until season 5 to kill him
I feel like Unlimited void wouldn’t affect them as their kwamis have been shown to exist in every possible universe at once and Yk transforming makes them one with their kwami so idk but that’s just me
True and also since ladybug can create anything she could create something either a suit our glasses to make them not effected by unlimited void. And also your right, since in the Landon special she wasn't surprised when future ladybug was using her and all tikki said was what time are we maybe I got what she said wrong but it along those lines.
@@lostokyo1932 people forget The Ladybug Miraculous' lucky charm can basically create anything, it can create a thing that could possibly nullify Domains, the only reason why the lucky charm is kinda wonky to use at Moment is because of kids are wielding it.
ahem.
Nino Lahiffe, here is the miraculous of the turtle-
Alya Cesaire, here is the miraculous of the fox-
Zoe Lee, here is the miraculous of the bee-
Mylene Haprele, here is the miraculous of the mouse-
Ivan Bruel, here is the miraculous of the ox-
Juleka Couffaine, here is the miraculous of the tiger-
Alix Kubdel, here is the miraculous of the rabbit-
Kagami Tsurugi, here is the miraculous of the dragon-
Luka Couffaine, here is the miraculous of the snake-
Max Kante, here is the miraculous of the horse-
Nathaniel Kurtzberg, here is the miraculous of the goat-
Le Chien Kim, here is the miraculous of the monkey-
Marc Anciel, here is the miraculous of the rooster-
Sabrina Raincomprix, here is the miraculous of the dog-
Rose Lavillant, here is the miraculous of the pig-
bro do u get rid of feeling empathy or do u hate jjk verse?
Why not bring in Lila and Felix as well sense the rest of the box is in use here. Get the butterfly and peacock here to
@@nightmare_eclipse4933 bro have some good in you why u 2 wanna destroy jjk?
Everyone gangsta until Chrysalis and Sukuna team up 😭💀
@Idkk1051 2 worlds kwamis unite
remember: cat blanc created a cataclysm that would destroy the universe that was expanding faster than the speed of light (more than 100 thousand times from what I researched)
Honestly, Claw Noir is a better example since he wasn't akumatised, and he was able to threaten destroying the world by expanding his Cataclysm
ffs why can't people understand that Cat Blanc cataclysm affect the entire multiverse.
@@1wayroadAccel. chatnoir vs shigaraki
@@Theworldoflegends-s9q huh? that's a one sided fight in the favour for Cat Noir.
@@1wayroadAccel. Who win between them ?
mind you tikki is in EVERY universe and she knows everything so she can just tell marinette everything she knows about jjk universe (based on the shadybug & clawnoir special) and or as shown in the series ladybug can make ANYTHING, and that's literally all they need to beat jjk 🤷🏻
the thing about miraculous is they're show is kids friendly so they don't show how much stronger their powers could be they're always held back by being appropriate for kids, if it was an anime like jjk they would completely demolished everyone, and well, you said it first miraculous verse are still teens and yet they have a chance to destroy jjk now imagine them in their adult form
One thing that is just the ultimate trump card is if ladybug takes chat noirs miraculous and summons gimmi( when you are speaking to gimmi no one can reach you so that could even let ladybug use that space as an invincible shield to think and recuperate) or just use the wish to kill everyone who is opposing them and i know you said chat noir wouldnt be sending of any nuclear cataclysms but canonically rena ruge tells ladybug after doing some research that the only limit to ladybugs power is any limit she places on her self and this appies to all of the miraculouses. Also loved the video it was really cool to see someone talking about miraculous
I do think some they can beat, like at the very least any Grade 1 Sorcerer. As for anything Special Grade...
Thank you for actually making me understand.
How much I was glazing jjk
Ladybug and Cat Noir bring strategic teamwork, agility, and miraculous powers, while Jujutsu Kaisen characters wield immense cursed energy, raw strength, and domain expansions. The outcome depends on whether the Miraculous duo can outmaneuver overwhelming supernatural power with wit and precision.
Nichole waterson vs jjk next
Whats even more funny is that Hawkmoth or Betterfly could've akumatized anyone like Ladybug Or Catnoir also Any Sorcerers depending if they are aware how akumas work. He could give The Miraculous Verse an edge by boosting their powers and also turning a sorcerer into their side
@@legitimatesanketsumain Cursed Energy runs on negative emotions. Hawkmoth could be a king.
@JesseGolo yep not only that but there are more miraculous that can put a great use in this battle
@JesseGolo also since ladybug is now the holder of the miracle box, she can access through any miraculouses. There's also the peacock miraculous that can give birth to a sentimonster, the fox that can give illusions, and bee that can paralyzed sorcerers and also the rooster if NOT THE ONE MIRACULOUS I WOULD CONSIDER OP SINCE IT CAN GRANT ANY POWERS YOU WANT (FROM TRAVELLING TO DIFFERENT UNIVERSES TO INVISIBILITY) also the ox which can protect the holder
Imagine they just summon gimmi and said F ur verse
that would be fun ngl
@@Justachillguy48 state your wish
Remove Gojos infinity in exchange for it to transfer to Catnoir 💀
@@legitimatesanketsumain
Gimmi: Well, this is gonna be fun.
I honestly never would have expected any of the Miraculous characters to be so ridiculously powerful from the few episodes I watched with my younger siblings.
That's because MLB's power system is incredibly broken and unbalanced (and kinda poorly written)
@@nobodys_here07The show itself has a pretty chaotic written but the recent specials were great
@skytheemperor The Paris Special is probably the best one to date, and the London Special sets up a lot of interesting stuff.
While I am intrigued to see where they're going, MLB has a track record of never meeting the expectations they set up and we're left heavily disappointed.
@ hope the next season will be amazing
You guys don’t understand gojo can use his domain to flood the entire verses mind with knowledge and sukuna can slash them with his domain and I’m not sure if cataclysm could work on gojos infinity. They can just kill ladybug before she uses her lucky charm.
You do realize that by saying the verse, you are also including the kwami. And gojo infinite void wouldn’t work on the kwami due to the fact that they already processing infinite information much all the time. And sukuna domain isn’t powerful enough to deal any real damage to them.
And if you mean the non kwami characters, you do realize the oc miraculous would protect the user (like say Adrien) from both gojo and sukuna domain. Assuming either character are fast enough to pop their domain open.
Personally I believe the Domain Expansion that randomly puts one of the occupants on trial would spell certain doom for either of the two, Ladybug especially.
Chatnoir can escape with cataclysm and ladybug's lucky charm can summon a fucking portal gun
Yea cat noir is somewhat fine both in and out of the suit discounting blanc ofc
Ladybug on the other hand (marinette is a Stocker and would 100% get her weapon i.e the earings removed for all of that)
@@DeborahAkhide*cataclysm would 100% count as violence dude*
@@DeborahAkhide I know the Ladybug and Chat being put up against JJK are from the end of the series, but at virtually any other point they'd be dead if they had already used Lucky Charm and Cataclysm prior to being Domain Expansion'd
@trolledfordrip Considering that the Domain can put someone on trial for even the slightest act that could be construed as criminal behavior, Adrien might not be as safe as you think.
Ladybug, however, is practically a guarantee-and if nothing else, she'd have a *lot* of explaining to do afterwards.
Me when sukuna sacrifices his left pinky toe to be immune to any miraculous’s
Me when Gojo blacklash’s and does his power of 2.5 punch (it has the same energy as the tsar bomba)
Okay jokes outta the way. If they fight Gojo or Sukuna, it’s a toss up. Anyone else? Yeah uh…
Ladybug is faster than anyone in JJK cause she can just turn into CosmoBug, who was shown to be able to travel from Paris to London in like 5 seconds and has been dodging lightning since episode one. Her durability to physical attacks can also be scaled higher than anyone from JJK since her suit is durable enough to stop a cataclysm. As for strength, she doesn’t need it cause her lucky charm gives her an instant win.
oh goodie, its another 'children cartoon characters turbo outscale anime characters because the writers give very little care to realistic consistent powerscaling' episode. also why on earth are we putting city block characters vs people who are powered by reality-warping Gods?
I think it would be funny if ladybug fix the inverted Spear of heaven
in other words in the 4 minutes and 11 seconds following a domain expansion hakari is effectively useless cuz he either gets deleted using cataclysm or literally camped until cat can transform a 2nd time and use a 2nd cataclysm after deleting infinity the only other option is he becomes deadpool for the 4 minutes and 11 seconds until it ends and he insta dies
Wait, Doesn't ladybug have the Ability To Like- Erase Negative Energy(Kinda)? And Isn't cursed energy made out of negative emotions? So theoretically speaking ladybug would win.(?) 🤔💀
Cat noir is him!!! Love cataclysm what a powerful ability. Ladybug can clutch up with creation and support him but man cataclysm in a combat scenario is better
Bunnix or the rabbit miraculous can just go back in time, and keep trying and trying, the snake miraculous or Viperion can also go back a time. Cataclysm could probably work, however it will be tricky.
Spiderman laughing in the corner
26:48 Honestly why I dropped MLBC in one sentence.When everything just can be resolved that easily,it gets boring (and I wouldn't continue that with the word 'quick' cause it took me 3 seasons to realise that they're not gonna do anything interesting lol)
@@claudius3359 I clicked on the timestamp to figure out what line you were talking about and I couldn't help but laugh.
Personally, I think that both sides of the conflict were so overpowered that nothing but bad writing could keep the story going for five seasons.
@@JesseGolo Bro you've no idea how loud I laughed at your reply too 💀 (cause it's so true,it's kinda outrageous)
Tho for me,JJK & MLB's bad writing is funnily the complete opposite of each other.Astruc wants Marinette to always be perfect & right,while Gege has enough detachment from his characters that he keeps killing them left and right that I heard they don't even have time to develop.
I gotta disagree with the ending here, Ladybug and Cat Noir could absolutely clinch a win out even with the Domain Expansions and Hollow Purple, even without added canon powers like the Snake, Bunny, or Dragon. With Gojo, Cat Noir solo stomps him, and stomps him harder with Ladybug's help and deductive reasoning of Gojo's abilities, as Cataclysm can destroy energy and pocket dimensions before they affect Cat. So, Cat could absolutely counter Hollow Purple, break past Limitless, and also destroy Unlimited Void. Cat has also shown resilience to time-based effects, such as when he went through a time loop for over 8 months straight without negative mental effects, so he likely could resist Unlimited Void for even the second it would take for Cataclysm to destroy the Domain. Ladybug could also undo the erasure of Hollow Purple if required with her MLB butterfly restoration wave.
With Sukuna, its Ladybug's time to shine. Especially with a Lucky Charm to help her, she could absolutely deduce the weak point in Malevolent Shrine, and the heroes would have that time to since the slashes of Dismantle and Cleave would be able to be parried by their canonically indestructible weaponry being the perfect shields. Alternatively, Cat Noir can extend the range of Cataclysm to anything touching what he is touching even without the added power of his Cat Blanc form, so he could also just destroy the entire created space of Sukuna's Domain if required. And this wouldn't even be considering any extra Miraculous powers that Ladybug could wield as Guardian (from season 4 onwards).
21:03 If I remember correctly this however was only possible because LB had her luckycharm specifically counteracted it.
Also another small thing that shouldn’t be eratad yet is that Kwamis cannot create/enter the domain of another Kwami.
As movement is part of Kaalkis domain and Fluuf has the domain over time while Saas has the domain over Chance the miraculous ladybugs don’t move objects.
They specifically undo stuff a threat caused.
This is in a certain way more powerful as you basically create new time lines (most likely through Quantum theory and its loops) however all this means is that you need three groups to at least overwhelm LB and CN.
1 group fighting them 1 group setting up destructions and 1 group entering the fight at an different time.
So Tikki can’t cover all options.
If I understand the video correctly JJK has enough powerful characters so each group has a viable threat to them. Not necessarily to kill them as CN is immortal as he is a Senti and the ring that holds his Amok is transformed with him and the suit of CN protects him.
So after the fight earth as we know it is destroyed and CN and LB won.
Depending on where this battle takes place we now have either a stalemate or a win for LB and CN.
If it is in the universe of JJK or a random plane (aka pure powerscaling) they won.
If it is in their own universe they also loose the moment earth is destroyed.
Because at this point Alix dies (at least if we assume there is no threat anymore to her directly and she can return from the rabbit hole).
And if Alix, or honestly her father as well, dies as well three time loops collapse leaving creating a limbo where LB and CN can and cannot exist at the same time (because of freaking Evolution ruining everything that was great about Miraculous), as in Evolution we see that the existence of Bunnix who exist through LBs input Master Fu knows who to give the miraculous too.
So without Bunnix, Fu wouldn’t have given the miraculous of LB and CN to LB and CN and Bunnix only exist in her form because of LB and CN. So removing Alix from the equation who is Bunnix would create a limbo.
Also what is interesting because of this is the fact that LB and CN are basically immortal (as in necessary for the flow of time).
But this all only really happens if JJK has any character like Strange who can predict the future.
Hollow Purple is not existence erasure.
Then what is it?
@TheNinjagoFan__1 Pushing and pulling at the atomic level so really nasty game of tug of war with your atoms but not existence erasure.
@@TheNinjagoFan__1very quick back and forth oscillating orb sort of like a way more powerful chainsaw
Just fucks up the person up so much
@@Qiot-135 Okay.
they solo with only their iraculus. infinty would be nullified by inverted spear and wcs can be dogjed. pls the verse would never work together
Wait if we assume that kenjaku still has the prison realm then imagine the takaba and prison realm combo
(I know the prison realm is still technicly underwater but if we give everyone theyre tools this would technicly be possible but if you dont want to do that then we can sacrifice mai to make it)
Cat blanc is enough bro threaten to destroy the entire universe for a magical item and a girl
They never bleed!
To defeat LB and CN we need a character/ a team of characters that can do the following while we assume we are in the universe of LB and CN.
1. The ability of foresight.
2. The ability of teleportation.
3. The ability to kill an invincible time traveler.
4. The ability to survive a collapsing time loop.
5. The speed necessary to survive.
6. The endurance to survive.
Because here is the plan.
1. Get the information that Alix is the key to the powers of LB and CN.
2. Defeat Bunnix who can summon other versions of the LB and CN.
3. Kill Alix.
4. Try to survive the concept of reality ceasing to exist.
So we need Gwenpool or a character on a similar power level (4th wall break and the ability to exist without one reality).
And that assumes Alix exist in the universe.
Otherwise we need a way to kill through realities.
This all needs to be in one person btw.
I wonder what kind of Lucky charm would be summoned to deal with characters like Gwen Pool.
@ probably a comic
what stops her from using the miraculous of cat and ladybug and wish that verse out of existence sure there is going to be a price for it like a whole other verse being created but that still gets the job done
Imagine lady bug and cat noir found two guy in container place the one is dancing and the one is put electric at the sky
And the two guy saw them two and been manipulate by gege
Cat noir is gonna erase infinity
The reason gege was comfortable with adding naoya domain was because he wrote in maki where it won't work on her at all
I'm pretty sure Cursed Speech scales to Curse Energy not Physical Stats
I don't think Yuta is gonna bleed everywhere because of Chat
@@FirstLast-hd4oe I guess that's a possible, but personally, I highly doubt Inumaki would be able to freely control either Maki or Toji. I guess that's just my interpretation of the narrative given how the heavenly restriction users are portrayed in relation to the verse.
Honestly the idea of Plagg or Tikki turning Mahito into paste Sukuna style is so funny.
Also tehnically the duo would have a advantage if we didn't equalise them to have CE.
Souls and Ghost along with magic existing in MLB and the duo have never had problems interacting with or seeing those things unless its directly stated they are invisible by choice.
Without CE domains wouldn't work on them so they wouldn't have to worry about Unlimited void.
Hollow purple even if it is Existance erasure (which it isn't, Stronger characters have blocked it) would still be negligable since Chat would destroy it and Miraculous holders have tanked the cataclysm, which is destruction itself.
And something else that might be a factor.
Who are ladybug and chat noir?
Yes they are Marrinette and Adrien but tehnically they are only the wielders of their miraculous.
If Marinette and Adrien do die, then Plagg might literally decide to just destroy the planet if not the whole universe and then Tikki just remakes it.
JJK looses because Ladybug and Chatt noir are literally immortal conceptual gods.
the true since when plagg and tikki are in unity they become gimmi kwami of reality. And also even cat noir tanked and catcylm
I think Lady bug and cat noir destroy the verse with their real speed feats
The fact is that I thought that gojo was the main character
Can you do a ladybug vs randy Cunningham video?
Kirby Wins
Against one LB yes.
Against infinite (as this is possible on three different levels: Time travel (Bunnix), Dimensions (Kwami of Dimensions) and AUs (Shady bug and Claw Noir)).
This seems more unlikely especially since they have both the same reality warping powers.
Shouldn't cataclysm be able to destroy souls or curses. I am sure the magic of the kwami can let them see curses or some usage of spells
Sailor Moon vs Goku when?
All the Winx Club vs Goku when?
The plot armour with ladybug is universal
Man i loki thought that Ladybug and Chatnoir would win ngl
They basically did…they just got cooked by Gojo and Sukuna’s domains😭🙏
They were nerfed in the video 😭. Because otherwise the fight would be over in less than a second.
They do
realistically
Bro restricted speed even though that's the most important thing
It’s so stupid, but they unironically can.
*(Get these Chat Blanc victims outta here.)* 😔
To defeat LB and CN we need a character/ a team of characters that can do the following while we assume we are in the universe of LB and CN.
1. The ability of foresight.
2. The ability of teleportation.
3. The ability to kill an invincible time traveler.
4. The ability to survive a collapsing time loop.
5. The speed necessary to survive.
6. The endurance to survive.
Because here is the plan.
1. Get the information that Alix is the key to the powers of LB and CN.
2. Defeat Bunnix who can summon other versions of the LB and CN.
3. Kill Alix.
4. Try to survive the concept of reality ceasing to exist.
So we need Gwenpool or a character on a similar power level (4th wall break and the ability to exist without one reality).
And that assumes Alix exist in the universe.
Otherwise we need a way to kill through realities.
This all needs to be more or less in one person btw.
Another way would be time travel to the moment where the senti rings where created and take control over Adrien this way.
But again they would need to do so in a way where any version of Bunnix cannot get them.
Something that should not be possible except if you don’t exist (like the sh*t Lila did).
But honestly even then we have a problem.
Because we know of the existence of a Kwami of Dimensions
So to act you need to exist somewhere in a dimension and reality within a time.
So even if you don’t exist but cause a threat Bunnix could save LB.
But all this shows is the fact that Quantum probability is the best power anywhere paired with decent speed.
Ah yes my anti ladybug technique I haven´t used since the heian era -Sukuna
you know, if the guardians of the miraculous were actually doing their job during the Heian Era, Sukuna probobly had gone up against miraculous users.
if he hasn't...well that would really speak of how negligible the organization was.
todo and mahito would be enough. Mahito makes a clone. Since they have cursed energy,I assume the weapons do too. So Todo switches Chat's and Ladybugs weapons with mahito,and its a free touch. THEY ARE DOONNNNNNNE-
Marinette takes chats miraculous and wishes the jjk characters away
Inumaki and yuta: TAKE THE JEWELRY OFF
She would have to create something in their place, which would just be something equivalent.
@@kikor4954 Inumaki and yuta would instantly die if they use their curse speech on ladybug or chat
@samularsaber7943 rct or death binding vow
@@kikor4954 Not everyone can use rct, and even then chat’s cataclysm will destory their bodies faster than they can heal themselves.
I’m guessing you didn’t watch the video.
And you can’t just give jjk characters never before seen binding vows just to make them win fights, that’s both a no limits fallacy and giving them plot armor.
Just got back into the fandom because of a pmmm fic and it was very very very long. And very wordy. So i know alot of shit about it. And damn, i knew they were op, but this op?
Wtf?!??!?!?!?!?!??! I am ALL THE BLOODY WAY INTO THIS VID!!!!!!!
Wow ladybug and cat noir have better story building than jjk
I immediately thought of the inverted spear of heaven with her creation power 😂
what you forgot is, the sheer amount of plot bunkering and writer bs ladybug gets with her miracoulous, in this scenario she'll probably get something like a glass shard and just incapacitate, gojo, sukuna and 4 closest foes because bullshit
The more I listen the more I can here your accent
Not hating just something I noticed
W vid btw
I still think that Marinette and Adrien won't even be able to track the JJK characters because of the speed difference and the worst here is Mahito who won't get a scratch and Gojo with the infinite void and Sukuna with an attack that cuts through space-time and Domin negates solidity and tears the soul
it literally explains in the video that ladybug and chat are significantly faster than JJK characters. heck jesse had to nerf ladybug and chat's speed just to avoid them simply speed blitzing the verse.
@samularsaber7943 I think that the speed of the strongest JJK characters is at least two or three times faster than light, and the strongest Maracleus characters are at best at the speed of light, and even in terms of hax, the superiority of most of the White Cat Jujutsu characters is the only real problem for the JJK characters.
Ladybug verse are too op that they reached outerversal in the manga from the beginning of the series.
Also if you put all the charms with lady bug as guardian is a stomp