What Killed G-League Ignite?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ย. 2024
- The NBA had a fantastic idea in 2018 when they announced G-League Ignite. Their first prospect was Jalen Green who got drafted #2 by the Rockets but the team is shutting down after just 4 seasons. What happened and why did Ignite fail so miserably?
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Honestly, the Ignite Program should’ve been those players joining established organizations in the G League and actually learning how to play within the NBA system
I like that, drafting players at 18, then making them play in the G for a year
It's better to have your G team mirror your NBA team's system and be close by. It's easy to call up guys who played a G game that afternoon, and be on your main team in depth stints, or filling in for injuries, later that same evening.
The Raptors do this really well. It's not a demotion, or punishment, it's development, as it should be. Raps' G 905 are like 30-45 minutes away from the training facility and the home arena.
@@notDonaldFagen that’s true.. 905 & OKC Blue are prime example
Ignite didn’t fail, NIL exists now, so Ignite is redundant. It accomplished its purpose and is no longer necessary
True. It finally forced ncaa to not scam these kids
@JoshuaGor Players are going to overtime instead of high school and some don’t go to college
@JoshuaGormaybe but it’s probably because college made nil which pays you while playing so no point of ignite
No, it unequivocally failed. It lowered the ceiling of practically every player who played in it.
what's nil?
So many comments saying "Very interesting and useful video, keep it up!" less than a minute after the video was released. 😂
those are bots buddy..
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Very useful and interesting comment, keep it up!
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i think Charlie actually just a few days ago made a video about all the bots on youtube. they get even crazier
I think Ignite forced the NCAA to finally pay their athletes?
They literally don't pay them, they just let be able to make money on their own now
The supreme court is what made the nil exist, the ignite had really no impact. Even pre-NIL most basketball players were choosing to play college
At this point playing overseas is better than playing at the Ignite
Ignite is dead anyway.
It was always better tbh
Like the NBL "Next Star" program, you are playing against seasoned professionals who are fully grown men, some of which have had NBA experience.
Did not expect to see Frank Harris and UTSA mentioned here. Dude is GOATed here in San Antonio and UTSA. Actually, he works with UTSA now to get NIL deals for players.
Triangle of toughness is spreading
How does he get so much though?
It doesn’t need to exist now because college has improved since the formation of the ignite
It would have been more effective if you had like five teams where the talent is spread out
someone needs to make a video on the awkward NBA Awards show they used to make in 2017/2018/2019
How was it awkward?
Why is it awkward? Soccer does the same too
The G League Ignite should be reformed and be used as a backdoor option of getting back to the NBA for players like Enes Kanter and more
I’d love that. Especially with this new CBA
That would be dope other than the fact players like Enes are blacklisted from the league for speaking out against their golden boy
why not just allow highschool players in the NBA draft, but if a team drafts them, they have to play in the G-League team for 6 months.
Kanter? That clown?? 😅
lol why use ignite when that's already the purpose of g league teams in the first place??
I said in 2020 when this experiment started that the "Ignite" idea should've been a dispersal draft. Accept 10 players only and spread them through the then-28 teams based on team interest. And do the dispersal so early that if no team wants the player, then they can still attend college so they don't break the NCAA's rules. Or the NBA can just steal the NHL's draft system and attach draft rights to players and assign them to the G-League or let them return to college with draft rights assigned.
I second making a “What happened to the NBAs award show”
Putting them all on the same team might have been the worst brain fart I’ve ever heard. I do think it was the NIL that drove the nail in the coffin, but I’m pretty sure regardless, this wasn’t going to work out long term with all of them on one team fighting for those draft spots.
I liked the video up to the moment he mentioned my guy WESTBROOK and the NUGGETS.
As long as we're alive and healthy we'll see how it goes
Remember LaVar Ball's basketball ball league? 😂
That one was even worse bro it was literally meant for his sons to get to the nba also I don’t believe anyone besides Curtis Hollis, Zo, Angelo and Melo made it to the nba or close to the nba
NIL deals saved college basketball. You still have the league option and things like Overtime elite but I think more kids are starting to think college again.
Wasn't expecting a Frank Harris shout-out, lol, UTSA legend, that man was cold on the field, he earned that million
Main thing with ignite was that it was horrible for developing its players. Outside of kuminga (and maybe hardy) none of them have shown that they can be productive nba players in a winning environment yet
Ignite did not fail. Ignite simply finished its historic mission
Ignite, ignited the NIL.
Ignite failed to develop talents but they still caused College to start paying their athletes so it still fulfilled its purpose in the end.
Top stuff fella, pride and now money of college has to come out on top
The majoritly of guys are going to go to college no matter what. It has always been that way and always will be...even before NIL. Just a few guys out of tons of prospects signed up for ignite, meanwhile, the college guys were the big man on campus, playing on tv every night, got access to NBA players who played at their school before them, got all of the girls on campus, and were probably still getting money under the table ANYWAY. Fans are crazy about their favorite college team. The casual fan wasn't watching the Gleague ignite. I never even knew when their games were on tv if they were at all.
Living in a city with a gleague team. It’s not as empty as u seems. Still hundreds of ppl go to every game
G league is fine, the ignite team that have literally 0 public interest
G-League Ignite can continue to exist, but it would need to be something like just a sponsorship that comes with some obligations. i.e. the NBA could target players that are interesting in front of a camera and just get them in front of more cameras early on in their career. Work on media coaching, building an identity and a brand and providing them with access to special training camps. i.e. pump up their value in hopes that the league can turn a profit.
The value would be in getting guys that would go mid-to-late in the first round, because the return on value would be better than trying to pump up lottery-level talent. They could do stuff like having their promoted athletes participate in all-star weekend, be seen in commercials, etc.
BTW, prior to NIL we (D1 athletes) weren't being "used". All the general public sees is "what is the cash value in your pocket".
Beyond a full ride, the connections we make with alumni, boosters and more, is worth more than you think. We've got guys who didn't make the league who are connected the minute they graduate with multi millionaire individuals. Intelligent players network themselves into positions where they are taken care of for life and being able to invest in post playing career that other people just don't get.
Media won't tell that story though. My ex teammate barely got off the bench in college but because of the people he met, BECAUSE of being on the team, lead to him linking up an investment alumni. He was retired by the time he was 40 and living off appreciating capital.
Going to college and playing ball have him that. That's not being "used" just cuz at 19 he wasn't driving a Lambo on campus.
It’s still a good idea. There should be multiple teams like the Ignite though. All the top prospects who skip college shouldn’t all be on the same team. A couple per team and the treat vets.
The games are already low stakes and if it’s just every man for himself. You’re going to get the lackluster results from a talent/NBA ready standpoint.
He must don’t know Mr. Brown is about to torch him when he hears about this calling him bust.
I think college basketball is all about team effort teamwork and working together. The G league ignite get all the high school best players join up on a team. And 1 on 1 every Possessions, That’s not that good developing players. An overseas teach you the fundamentals of basketball.
One could argue that now with NIL, the NBA should raise the age limit to 20 or do something similar to what baseball has where you can draft a kid out of high school but if they go to college they got to stay at least 3 years before being able to enter the draft again.
Jaden hardy isn’t a bust he’s a solid role player and that’s what you want out of a second rounder
WAIT A MINUTE. THE IGNITE WAS IN VEGAS 🤣🤣🤣 i had no idea i would have went to every game just because
6:04 only thing I wanted to point out is that for international students you cannot get NIL deals Zach Edey spoke out about this
Five of those nine names on the preps-to-busts lists had decent NBA careers. And you could say six if you wanted to add Kwame based on being worthy of a draft pick but not the one overall pick.
how has no mentioned OTE as well?
Ignite succeeded but many players that chose to go to Ignite boosted their value by hiding their weaknesses. For example players like Jalen Green and Scoot Henderson would’ve went much lower if they had to play in systemic style of basketball which doesn’t revolve around them. They can still be become good player but both looked very rough coming out of the Ignite
It was a great idea to assemble top-level high-school talent for Ignite, but there were problems marketing the G-League as a whole. With NIL in place, it makes little sense for prospects to join the G-League. The league should just allow high schoolers to be drafted into the G-League, one selection per team. The contracts can be 1+1, and if the team doesn't pick up his option, the player can be allowed to return to college. If the team picks up the option, he gets a two-way contract and work his way up to the league.
I bet Jesse’s is mad cause he said the next season they would put bucket squad logo on the court😅
The ignite failed for a lot of reasons including NIL. First the coaching on a college level was better than what they were experiencing on ignite. Second they were almost always unfinished product of which normally you would send to the gleague to develop but for them it wouldn’t help because they were already cooking in that league. Third NIL is becoming a bigger opportunity.
Casy, I'd like to know your opinion on this. Do you think that if there were 2 Ignite teams (East and West) and they started before 2020 (maybe mid to early 2010s) ,that this experiment would work, and we would be talking about the Ignite as solid teams that produce good young players for the NBA, or it would just blown up again and still be considered a failure.
Casey, how in the hell is this video posted for just 15 minutes but you already have 4,275 views? Keep up the good work!👍🏽
Most of the viewers are bots so it gets inflated
Truth be told, I dont think that the NBA really wanted Ignite to be a long-term solution. They should've made Ignite an international pathway.
The NBA should've just made a rule of no using first round picks on high school kids and had a lottery to determine the first three picks of the second round. That simple solution was there the entire time. Instead, they came up with a convoluted rule.
Th3 Gleauge purposely does not hype the gleauge. 7:05 why compete with the majors who are also on TV and whose ratings actually matter for the next big tv contract. I love the gleauge. Worth every penny as a fan.
FRANK HARRIS BABY! Definitely heard of him. He's the BEST player in UTSA history.
Jalen Green looked like a young Michael Jackson draft night 😂
Kobe, KG, Dwight, Amare, T-Mac, Jermaine O'Neal...they were all terrible their first couple years. T-Mac and JO didn't really emerge until after they left the teams that drafted them.
that's the problem. even the best of them are not NBA ready out of highschool. LeBalco's the exception
frank harris and utsa was goated
Just send the kids that don't want to go to college to Australia and spread them across all teams, we are a secondary competition and could use the boost, also some of the kids may want to buy the team they play for
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Rahhhhhhhh
ote + nil killing it
I'm still sold on Jonathan Bender lol.
They produced at least one lottery pick in every draft that they existed for. Every college coach would put that feather in their cap easily so i don't know what clasifies as "failure" in that case.
voiceover announcer: "but that WAS the whole story..."
1989 1st round 17th pick. Shawn Kemp, straight outta high school.
Kemp never played a college game, but he was enrolled in college for a season. He would have played at Kentucky, but he was accused of stealing chains from the coach's kid, so he transferred away before playing a game. I guess if you want to say he never played a college game before the NBA it is accurate, but it is not accurate to say he was drafted straight out of high school.
It was always dumb to stop high schooler from going straight to the NBA.
Agreed it's going to make LeBrons scoring record almost impossible to beat since he got an extra year.
@@TheTyronecusLOL
That one extra year!!
Haters are something else.
@@kentstallard6512 yes an extra year matters, and who's hating? I literally never said anything negative.
LeBron fan boys overly aggressive in defending him, even when no one says anything negative.
@@TheTyronecus really? LBJ's scoring record is ur thinking about when you are considering the players getting an extra year? 🤦 How many nba players are ever gonna really be in the running to match his record anyway? Not many. The extra year for many is a good chance to earn nba money early, develop at NBA level early and get endorsements early. Not about the scoring record lmao
Fact. 18 years old can go to the army but not trusted with the decision to skip college and play pro ball? It’s up to them and the teams to decide whether they’re risking it on what can hit or miss.
You hit the nail on the head with the Ignite problem, it’s a stupid idea to put all those prospects on the same team and have them selfishly fight for stats. In that scenario, players will always prioritize selfish plays over winning plays.
There is an advantage playing in a system while in college. They come out stronger mentally and physically.
These kids should play overseas, the competition there is harder than NCAA events or G-League games. Lamelo did right. Arguably, the 2 best players drafted in the last decade, played overseas, Luka and Giannis.
Ignite never failed, it just lost relevance after NIL and now there are now so many other opportunities for development pathways like OTE
A.m you forgot about Sebastian telfair from Brooklyn Lincoln high school 😂
*Matas is right, when Scoot played Wemby in Vegas court side seats were only $80*
Kwame was drafted as a trade piece for Elton Brand but the owner vetoed the trade.
Very interesting and useful video, keep it up!
That thumbnail is wild
well said, great video and summary
Bro just called a 34,000 student university small 💀
depends, is it the total number of students or the total weight of students?
I think people could see just how bad G League Ignite was after the Worrirs drafted James Wiseman in the 2020 draft. I mean the dude was good, but the thing is, he never got good experience playing in front of a big crowd, not to mention playing games with lots of pressure to win. On the contrary, College games have way more fans tuning in and games are more significant.
You’re a casual bro, James Wiseman LITERALLY went to college lmfaoo, problem is he only played 3 games and he was one of the unlucky athletes that his college year and draft year all happened during Covid so there was no summer league and no training camp none of that! He was basically just thrown into fire off rip!!!
He went to Memphis for like three games
You're thinking of Kuminga, who still has some chance of becoming an all-star.
Wiseman didnt even play at Ignite
You can get paid in college and not be behind 10 other projected first rounders. You can get your own team, with your own looks, and still get money.
Ignite was far from a failure.
It gave kids a new option to live and achieve their dream.
NIL has and should have an impact on Ignites purpose and existence.
It's really messed up how people have these conversations without mentioning Brandon Jennings
Didn't it just start in 2020? It wasn't that long ago. I wouldn't call it a failure quite yet.
Jalen Green frustrates me. He's obviously an incredible athlete, but not really a basketball player. From December through March he was under 30% from 3. That's... ugly. And you can't blame missing open shots on Sengun's style of play.
Hoping beyond hope he's in the gym 4 hours a day during the summer.
Selfishness is usually the factor.
Everyone who played in G League Ignite actually had their development stunted. Yes, even those who got drafted.
G league ignite was always a 1-hit wonders type of league I personally think they should let high schoolers in the nba look at soccer with Ronaldo Mbappé joining a franchise at 16. It would let players develop in the highest level of 🏀
Shout out to the mayor of San Antonio Frank Harris getting a mention in the vid!
Isaiah Todd ouch…
The Ignite were nothing more than a one year waiting room for players not wanting to go to college. There development was awful, and players from Europe and the NCAA were clearly further along that path.
The only G League Ignite failed was because of Adam silver
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Great video, my infant son is unable to breathe now!
Excellent video.
Don’t forget the JBA too lol
what's that? A league of Jonah Hill type kids dunking on a 8 foot hoop?
Izan Almansa declares 4 the next draft pringuel winguel
It wasn't a fail. It achieved its purpose. They developed young players like kuming matis and jalen green.
Darius miles was bust compared to expectations, but he actually had a solid pro career compared to your average pro. He averaged 10 for about 10 years in the league. He def having more success off the court though.
imo ignight was the stupidest idea the nbc could have come up with instead they could have easily been able to help these players by turning the G league into a place for them, but no how about they have just 1 team for all of the best teenagers in the country
Money is definitely a big reason
Caleb williams def made more then carson beck in the nil deals
They launched G League ignite to compete with LaVar Ball & OTE, then the NIL came thru.
No NIL and the ignite still exist. Why go to ignite when i can make millions vs hundreds of thousands ?
They shouldn't have put them all in the same team
1:14 Still trying to figure out why this guy ditched his lawnmower.
college basketball adapted is the real answer
Aight bro that Russel Westbrook Nuggets comment was unnecessary
Since Kwame Brown was brought up here, my "what if" about him is what if in his rookie year, he got traded for Elton Brand? Imagine this young Bulls team of Kwame, Ron Artest, Jamal Crawford, Brad Miller, and Tyson Chandler. Also if MJ had Elton Brand, would the Wizards made the playoffs? If they did, would the Wizards still trade Rip Hamilton for Jerry Stackhouse?
at this point they just should've let jesser in
NIL. Could be a 1 second video
Why is holland xd out
In 3 hrs 36 K views compare to 1 million from ESPN USA vs GERMANY WOW NBA IS SO AWESOME RN I MEAN BASKETBALL
It literally looks like all the g league guys are nervous and have stage fright cuz their not used to crowds it needed to be shut down