@@zipacino92 I get why you’d say that but everyone else has been in the league less time. This year has been his breakout so it’s not out of the question for Jalen green and scoot Henderson to improve dramatically
It takes 3-5 years for a player to get to learn the league and get to his potential. The young generation of fans call someone a bust in their first year. It's crazy.
Kuminga is definitely an exception to this. Kerr is literally sabotaging that young mans career. He's arguably the 2nd best talent on that team. He just needs time on the floor
You neglected to discuss the emergence of NIL as a viable alternative to turning professional prior to entering the draft. Some of the most prominent college players make upwards of a million dollars due to NIL deals, which is arguably as lucrative for them as Ignite would've been had they elected to join. I know that there are significant issues with NIL and its certainly not the panacea that some might've hoped for, but it has certainly made college a viable avenue once again.
NIL is destroying college...meaning college stars at their schools are just jumping left and right for a bit more money. If you get on average over $60 -70 for free room/board, education, tutoring, and college fees this should be enough? Plus imagine if they all got 3,000 money stipend that's what most college students need. Not expensive gold chains, fancy cars, when a lot of players flop or don't play well college are going look at wasted money! Will all college players play hard with the bag or money already promised? The Game will eventually dilute itself because National Image & Likeness is just who pays me more too play there!
@@kevinedwards2067 Colleges are profiting regardless. Tuition rates are jacked up for these schools them NIL deals are POCKET CHANGE. And sports is ENTERTAINMENT and a BUSINESS first before anything. Players are not paid to win they're paid for either : their likeness and the attention around them and/or the numbers they put up. Playing for solely a scholarship and a CHANCE of making the NBA is a SCAM. Degrees don't get you anything these days and they can't learn any real world skills if student-athletes are dedicating their entire lives to make it to the league
College never stopped being a viable option for many their literally hasn't been a draft since they stopped lettin dudes go pro outta high school where at least one one and done hasn't gotten taken lottery
You can't discredit G-League Ignite players when they haven't even reached their peaks in their careers yet. It is a bit of a stretch since we don't have enough evidence to prove whether it is a success or not.
@@DKM_SportsLogic is just out the window bro lmfao. Players drafted from Ignite are gonna be bad because they played for Ignite, but if Jalen Green ends up being great it's not relevant to Ignite.
respectfully, this is the dumbest thing I have ever watched. even if the guys from the ignite don’t have great stats, earning a role on a good team is very hard, so averaging 4-5pts and playing 15+ minutes a game for a playoff team is very impressive. when it comes to hardy and green, they both have lower stats than expected but they are both in positions to develop with great mentors around them and win games.
some of your videos have been great man. but this was the most cringe worthy basketball video I have ever watched. clear lack of basketball IQ and understanding of how players develop. last time I checked it’s very hard to DEVELOP IN 1 YEAR.
Not sure where you’re getting your numbers but Scoot is averaging 12.4 ppg, 5.1 apg, on 37/30/77. Not the best, but he’s leading rookies in assists and fifth in ppg so he’s def not as bad as you’re suggesting.
@@jjarvo1245 He decided he hated this idea and is trying to justify it instead of analyzing with an unbiased position to come to a conclusion. Its such a surface level analysis at that too, cherry picking counting stats, ignoring the broader context and nuance surrounding these players and calling them high-school players when he has nothing else to say. Its pathetic.
This video and half of these comments are so frustrating. It’s like people are crafting their own narrative, and ignoring history just to claim bust on these young guys
This whole video was basically "Rookies and new players struggle to get a footing in the NBA but have a lot of potential"... yeah? That's the case for everyone, Ignite and college players. Plenty of people coming from college have struggled with the transition. Fredette anyone? Just because a Luka hasn't appeared out of Ignite yet doesn't mean that it's been a bad thing. L video.
Scoot Henderson isnt good enough of a player currently to warrent his draft pick.. I could see if he was a lower pick but he was top 3. He is absolutely a bust currently regardless of how long he has been in the league, it doesnt matter. If youre a top 3 pick, you better be good enough to average over 10 ppg, 5 assists and 5 boards as a rookie starter. You're on a terrible NBA team and you are a top 3 pick who supposedly has good enough talent to improve and adapt quick enough to start all year, as well as the fact that you're probably the top 2 players on the team. He really has no excuse other than he cant adapt.. He probably isnt made for this, solely because of the fact that nobody gives a damn about winning in the G-League, they only care about individual progress so they can get called up. What do they look like trying to win a G-League chip making 30k a year? That isn't worth it. You'd have more success spending all of that effort at a 9-5 and get a promotion, or on your own business at that point.
You just named 5 guys that went in the lottery on guarantee contracts. The G league did with it promise get you drafted. It only failed couple player like marjon from the bucks because he didn’t go in the lottery. You can’t even call that failure because he’s having a productive career on a guaranteed contract.
Take into account many of the ignite players are one and done essentially. They may spend 6-9 months with the program before elevating to the next level. Their fit on the team that drafts them would seem to be a bigger factor in their success then the months they spend transitioning to being a pro essentially. So im not sure why folks don't focus more on how players fit on the teams they are drafted to and how that can affect the player they become.
Month of January def changes things. At this point especially with Chet’s poor play last several games and Wemby rising numbers & efficiency STILL on a minute restriction idk how you don’t give to Victor. Jaime is very solid but there’s levels to this ish
Kuminga is now averaging over 20 this last month since calling out Steve Kerr. Golden state just couldn’t admit Klay needed to step down and kuminga should be the second option
Seconds in and you state that Holland or Buzelis will be the #1 pick when Alex Sarr and Nikola Topic routinely are mocked in the top 2 spots. Then you state that the GL began due to Lavar Ball in 2017-2018 when in fact the NBDL began in 2001 and later became the D and then G league. Then you state that the only reason that players choose NCAA is tradition and use Jalen Green's 600k salary when not even top prospect Bronny James is getting over 5 million from his NIL deal.
Yeah, Bucks fan I watched this video partly to see if he thinks Marjon is actually bad. He's a solid roll player right now with starter/borderline all-star potential. Not bad for the 24th pick.
Marjon will be Kawhi 2.0 in a couple seasons. In a couple years he'll be starting with Giannis when the older guys which are most of the team age out of the NBA.
I agree. Out of everyone he mentioned in the video Beauchamp seemed like the most likely to become a solid nba player except jalen green who already is one Edit: forgot kuminga as well
You’ve got a point but probably should have waited a couple more years to make this video. Some of these players such as Henderson and Daniels still haven’t reached their potential. I think you need to be in the nba at least 3 years before being labeled a bust. Also 2 out of the 3 college coaches you mentioned are retired lol
@@24burnaa74 but kobe showing more promise than scoot in his rookie season. kobe shot 41% from the field 37 3pt% & 87 ft%. a lot better than scoot and he was not a lottery pick. compare to scoot who 3rd overall pick and shoot 37fg%/30pt%/77ft%. I know you are optimistic about scoot but compared him to all time great when his performance is not warranted to such comparison for the first place is just nonsense.
@@Romanus- he looks horrible. he's been the highest turnovers per possession in the league and bottom ten TS%. never shot over 50% in a single game still. not to mention the fouls. this big turnaround is him not looking like a high schooler playing among men, not at all near a top 3 pick level
Scoot Henderson Rookie Stats: 12.4ppg 5.1apg 2.9rpg 45.8% TS // Tyrese Haliburton Rookie Stats: 13.0ppg 5.3apg 3.0rpg 58.5% TS Jalen Green Year 3 Stats: 17.5ppg 3.1apg 4.6rpg 53.6% TS // Kobe Bryant Year 3 Stats: 19.9ppg 3.8apg 5.3rpg 54.9% TS Just two examples of players you were harsh on in this video comparing quite well with players I assume you quite like, at the same point in their careers. You’re ignorant. And you’re a casual. Not every player is going to be a HOF. The G League Ignite has too small a sample size for you to correctly evaluate wether or not it works. So far, yes it does. It’s only been 3 years and they have produced at least 3 nba players a year. Watch basketball. Scoot is a Point Guard. He has the most double doubles of any non center rookie this year. His numbers to not “only come in garbage time”. 30th Dec, he didn’t score 22pts, 7rbs 11ast on 60% 3PT only in garbage time. 6th Jan, he didn’t magically have 17pts 3rbs 10ast in the last 3 minutes of a blowout (which is what garbage time actually is) and by the way, for the first month of the season (when you say he had a historically terrible start which is wrong anyway) out of all players with at least 10 games played and at least 25min per game, he was number 1 in defensive rating. Only two Point Guards have come into the NBA already elite in the last 20 years, Chris Paul & Luka Doncic. All the rest have needed at least a year if not 2,3 or even 4 to grow into their role. You’re tarnishing players and spreading misinformation
And also, don’t rely on your fan base being stupid in order to spread stupidity, because some of your fans, like me, actually watch basketball and actually understand it. You’re just saying horrible things to get peoples attention. Which fair play to you, you’ve done. But I think people need to know this. Not just you.
the reason kuminga and all the other warriors rookies haven’t panned out as soon as warriors fans would have liked is bc of Kerr and his inability to develop young talent. He keeps young players on a tight leash, unless he’s forced to play them bc they either produce (ex Poole) or don’t disrupt the flow of the offense (ex Podz), and doesn’t allow them to have consistent pt to gain more nba experience. We’re only really seeing JK now bc he finally gained Kerr’s trust. It was so frustrating seeing guys like Anthony lamb play over JK and Moody bc Kerr loves hustle players. The warriors FO is great at scouting talent but they don’t know how to develop shit unfortunately.
The oldest GLI alums are only in their 3rd year right now, to say all of their players suck is extremely immature. Plus, 6 out of the 10 GLI draftees are rotational players right now. The ones that aren't are 2nd round picks and 2nd round picks often don't make it in the NBA, regardless of what program they're from. And then in your description you go from your title saying all of them suck, to asking if Matas and Holland will become the first GOOD players, then in a comment reply to someone you say if Jalen Green becomes GREAT it won't be because of GLI. You're just changing the goalposts
Scoot Henderson was a nominee for the best player of the week, understand he has not been good most of the season but you should understand what the word potential means in order to not slander young guys that are figuring out their careers
I think this is a premature take. A lot of these players are not yet even close to their primes or have settled into an identity. Not all these players are terrible, they're just still figuring out. I wouldn't say it's a failure yet, it's definitely not a success. I would still give it another 3 years.
I agree that there's currently a trend that may frighten future prospects from committing but these are still super young dudes. Gotta give it several more years before we can really judge.
We argue about this at my work all the time. I feel like talent is at an all time high, but skill (the average skills possessed by the majority of players) might be at an all time low in the modern NBA. I watch league pass games, and am amazed how many games boil down to inefficient transition shot chucking. No plays, no rebounding, no defense, no dribbling with your off hand, trips to the line where the guy misses both FREE throws.... 12 missed transition threes, 8 turnovers, 6 fouls, 9 points scored in 6 mins of game time. These kids getting millions don't have the skills they should have been taught in middle school, and no idea how to be a part of a winning culture. Just trying to pad the stats to get contracts.
Honestly, one of the worst takes I've ever seen. The Super teams were pretty corny, so I didn't watch for a couple of years but coming back and having League pass this season, I was blown away by the amount of 6'8 to 6'11 Swiss army knives in the League today. Guys who can block, defend, rebound, shoot 3s, make every pass, initiate the offense and put the ball on the deck from 30 feet out and drive to the cup and finish gracefully with body control, not just slam it home. Sure, there can be some sloppy ball being played at times, but the skill of the average NBA player today is INSANE. To say skills possessed are low today is laughable.
Not only is talent at an all time high so is skill bud. Players are much more skilled today. Looking at this shitty ignite players who went though a shitty development system isn't enough to make an overarching statement on the entire league.
The JBA wasn't an opportunity for talented basketball players outside of college, it was purely a showcase for the Ball sons by their father and everyone else became collateral damage. The other players weren't paid what they were promised, and when it went bust they also lost out on the eligibility to play for college. It wasn't anything unique either. Players could already play overseas or they could play for the numerous other minor leagues inside the US. There was the TBL (2018-), UBL (2008-), UBA (2009-16), ABA (2000-), PBL (2008-), APBL (2011-19), IBA (2011-17), ECBL (2015-), NBLC (2011-23), CEBL (2019-), etc.
Dyson Daniels is underrated by the casual fan. He'll be a really good role player potentially for a contending team. Every team needs a player like him.
A lot of first round picks end up as role players with decade long careers earning millions off the bench. Just because you’re a high pick doesn’t mean you’ll be a star
All I have to say about Scoot Henderson is Darius Garland's first two years in the league was atrocious that coming from a Cavaliers fan give these young guys time
not at all since nil pays similarly to the ignite contracts. the ignite might be the worst option to take. tougher competition with no real exposure and is more of a showcase than a team trying to play winning basketball.
The logic behind this video barely makes sense. After Daniels, none of the players discussed are lottery picks, so why do you frame them being back in the G league as a bad thing? That's generally what should be expected of second-round draft picks, and they probably made more money in the G league than they would have with an NIL deal in college. On top of that, G league ignite was formed less than 5 years ago, there's no way u can make those claims especially when there were really only 4 lottery picks that you can use as examples. This is especially true when comparing the developmental capability of G league ignite versus college basketball. Maybe more people play in college that's why they have more success stories...and also more busts. The end of the video is actually laughable too. Prospective lottery picks learn more playing against amateurs in college cuz they...play in front of large crowds of people? And playing in front of grown professionals who are all fighting for a spot in the NBA somehow prepares you less...Also Coach K and Roy Williams are retired bud
It takes a while to hit your prime in the NBA, coaching is in a dip rn. None of them are just lebron. The talent gap between a role player and star player is smaller than it’s ever been. And it’s takes a lot of working pieces to become a superstar. I’ve worked with a lot of these guys a handful have that potential but it takes more than the player themselves to get to that point the team, coach and GM vision has a lot to do with it.
Cade was projected number one in the draft before the szn even started I’m pretty sure. It’s common for players to pass each other from high school, some elite high school players don’t even stick around in the league (Harry giles off the top my head went to college too)
This is a huge reach. I think what’s actually being seen in these situations is that most players don’t make it in the league. No matter what route they take. There are only so many spots and with stars nowadays playing longer and longer into their careers there’s even less spots for guys that are actually good but haven’t had a chance to hold the keys, let alone guys that are struggling to find their footing. It sucks but that’s the game.
I think there are a few issues with this analysis... First, the total sample size for G-league ignite is very small, so its not a totally fair to compare the results from like 15 players to thousands of player that play in college. If you looked at the percentage of college players that are either busts or never even make the NBA, it is much higher. Second, I don't agree with calling all of these guys busts... Jalen Green is averaging 20 ppg, Scoot Henderson got off to a rough start but he ended up averaging like 15 ppg as a rookie, and Jonathan Kuminga didn't get much opportunity his first two years, but he started getting more playing time this past season and was scoring like 20 ppg for the second half of the season. None of them are superstars, but that's not a bust. Also, all of them are still just getting started in their careers, there are a lot of hall of fame guys that didn't really do much in their first 1-3 years so way to early to draw any conclusions.
I think it isn’t right to call some of these guys busts or that the Ignite program isn’t working when all of the guys you mention are probably 22 years old or younger. They’re just now getting their feet wet and you already want to say the program they came from hasn’t been successful. Give them a couple more years when they’re around 26,27, 28 years old before you try and casts them off to the side like that. That isn’t fair to them.
Jalen green has literally declined from his sophmore year shooting on terrible effeciency and Scoot has always been overated imo even before he struggled in the NBA.
@@emilfrederiksen.1622they’re both incredibly young. You can’t expect a player to average 30 points in their early 20s if you look at some of the recent mvps you’ll notice it took them a while to get to that level
It way too early too tale jalen green inconsistent scoot just got draft kuminga is kinda breaking out then u have later picks like dyson daniel jaden hardy who are solid role player that will be in league for years
@@DKM_Sportsonly thing your video MAY prove is that G league players suffer because college ball is played with higher IQ so players that come from the g league are disadvantaged in the IQ department but Beuchamp has good IQ and takes good shots but than again he’s the only player on this list that actually has a basketball mind and isn’t just worried about getting buckets or even being In the nba he just wants to get better so he’s an outlier but I agree that G league prospects suffer because they don’t progress in g league usually a player gets his skills from childhood and high school than the IQ from college not many players actually improve talent wise in college but they do become wiser and gain a lot of IQ but unfortunately the G league doesn’t have the basketball minds college has (in the coaching department) so they just end up playing the equivalent of another high school season so I definitely understand your take but I feel you delivered it a bit wrong
@@DKM_Sportsalso college is not only played with high IQ they also play with high levels of chemistry another thing the G league has failed to teach them is the importance of team basketball that’s why almost every player on this list averaged under 6 assists on ignite and btw beuchamp is gonna be a all star caliber player I’m sure of it cuz not only does he have the desire to get better at the game (more than just scoring) he also has Gianni’s who is no stranger to having to become better talent and IQ wise and actually how to train to see those improvements (Jason Kidd installed that in him ) not the drive to become better but the know how and I believe he can pass that on to beuchamp who already has the drive and just needs the know how I feel like every player on this list either doesn’t have the drive to become better OR they just don’t know how to train like an NBA player and how to actually become better
Marjon needs minutes, and experience other than that everything else is there, work ethic, willing to learn and listen, all great things that makes a player reliable
@@S1MEONTV I don't expect him to be in his prime, I expect to see some signs of improvement which he hasn't. His shooting percentages are garbage and he doesn't really do anything else besides score, he basically is another jordan poole.
I feel like this video is 3-5 years too early. Even the oldest Ignite players are still on their rookie contracts, but i will say we can already say they aren’t creating “NBA-Ready Prospects” like they were hoped to do. These guys seem to need as much if not more development than any other prospects
Sometimes it seems like the G-league as a whole isn't conducive to developing good all-around players. Too many players trying to shine individually and not displaying how they could work in a team system. I blame the coaches.
People keep saying to me that Scoot has this crazy athleticism, size, and speed.. But I'm still looking to see what the fuck they are talking about 😂 he's literally 6'1 maybe 6'2, a little more muscular than the average NBA guard but plays below the rim, and really isn't blowing by guys with ease when the ball is in his hands.
G leauge MVP doesnt matter because the good ones only stay a couple games in the g league before getting called up. its like the JV mvp where the actually good guys are called up to varsity
As a pelicans fan , we fuck with Dyson Daniels. We don’t really need him to score, we need him to play defense and lock down players like he does already
Did you really just mention Sidy Cissoko? He was drafted in the 2nd round and expected to be a project... Lol. How many 2nd round picks do you see playing meaningful minutes in their rookie year?
This isn’t a fair comparison. You have a much smaller sample size with a smaller time frame. You’re drawing a conclusion after 3 years, that’s a knee jerk reaction
A 4-year degree will generate 2 million in your lifetime. You don't need a plan B when you can earn 2 million a season overseas if the NBA doesn't work out. College basketball players don't need college.
It they could, than yeah. But for elite level prospects, spending more time in uni means you’re losing out on generational wealth. They’re also expected to be 1 and done players, which is impossible to get a major, even a minor would be difficult.
Green is the perfect example of why the G-league hurts players. They know they are not getting benched and with no structure from the coaching staff it hurts a lot. They get a big head but they never learn and never grow as a player because they are more worried about points than even trying on defense. It's all about the show off with highlights that make their highlight films look amazing. Why is it the guys coming out of college are better at defense? They have to put in the work and earn their place among their teammates and on the court compared to the G league were it's all about getting your own numbers and the team concept is not there and it shows. If they are not going to put a coaching staff together that actually work the players that makes them work as a team and stop this highlight show bullshit and get down to winning with the team or just end the program because they are hurting these kids in a bad way and they need to stop.
Because numerically speaking there's been more college players... you're essentially saying the ignite creates an ego in players that stops them from playing hard at the next level using j green as your example. What is your take on Dyson Daniels who is a player who earns his playing time due to defense, or marjon Beauchamp going from playing in junior college to contributing defensively on a championship caliber team? I do believe Kuminga had a primarily defensive role coming into the league. You have a very surface level analysis.
Kuminga is a starter, he is untradeable and in the past 12 games he's averaging 24ppg on 16FGA, 6 rpg, 2.6 apg whilst playing great defensively. Not only have you judged Kuminga far too early you've judged the whole Ignite team far too early. They've only been around for a few years. Like give them a minute for their players to become good. Dyson is in his second season for fuck's sake. Scoot hasn't even finished his rookie season yet. Like it's exceedingly rare for a 19 year old to be a good pg. It does take time for a player to learn.
@@DKM_Sports it’s dead but the premise of your video is that Ignite failed because the players who came out of it are busts which seems like it may not be the case
Lavar Ball’s JBA League has produced as many NBA starters as G League Ignite
They have had FIVE potential #1 picks
Facts over feelings 👍🏻
kuminga starts and is a valuable wing in the NBA
IMO Kuminga is the best player to come thru the g league
@@zipacino92 I get why you’d say that but everyone else has been in the league less time. This year has been his breakout so it’s not out of the question for Jalen green and scoot Henderson to improve dramatically
Labeling someone a bust is not a fact, it's your lame opinion. Just like if I said you're a clown with a soft accent that would my opinion.
Isn’t Austin Reeves from the g league?
It takes 3-5 years for a player to get to learn the league and get to his potential. The young generation of fans call someone a bust in their first year. It's crazy.
most young fans don’t, this guy is just trying to fish for clicks and has already made his mind up
My teams top 2 players are in their 3rd and 2nd years and are already better than every G-League ignite player.
whatdya expect from DKM? He is a certified Ball family d rider, he might be LiAngelo's boyfriend on the low
Scoot’s improved quite a bit ngl
they cANCLED it thank god?
Kuminga is definitely an exception to this. Kerr is literally sabotaging that young mans career. He's arguably the 2nd best talent on that team. He just needs time on the floor
Kuminga is easily the second best player on the entire warriors roster lmao
Kum buckets had a massive blow up season
@@ItsMeStriderMoodys goated too
@@haku4841personally i think Moody is better than Kuminga he just doesn’t get a chance to show it
@@JacksonMurphy0211 Why bro why?? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
You neglected to discuss the emergence of NIL as a viable alternative to turning professional prior to entering the draft. Some of the most prominent college players make upwards of a million dollars due to NIL deals, which is arguably as lucrative for them as Ignite would've been had they elected to join. I know that there are significant issues with NIL and its certainly not the panacea that some might've hoped for, but it has certainly made college a viable avenue once again.
NIL is destroying college...meaning college stars at their schools are just jumping left and right for a bit more money. If you get on average over $60 -70 for free room/board, education, tutoring, and college fees this should be enough? Plus imagine if they all got 3,000 money stipend that's what most college students need. Not expensive gold chains, fancy cars, when a lot of players flop or don't play well college are going look at wasted money! Will all college players play hard with the bag or money already promised? The Game will eventually dilute itself because National Image & Likeness is just who pays me more too play there!
@@kevinedwards2067 Colleges are profiting regardless. Tuition rates are jacked up for these schools them NIL deals are POCKET CHANGE. And sports is ENTERTAINMENT and a BUSINESS first before anything. Players are not paid to win they're paid for either : their likeness and the attention around them and/or the numbers they put up. Playing for solely a scholarship and a CHANCE of making the NBA is a SCAM. Degrees don't get you anything these days and they can't learn any real world skills if student-athletes are dedicating their entire lives to make it to the league
Because this videos about g league ignite says it in the title
But it's a lie to say you get paid nothing in college when that isn't true. @@Peacekeeper55101
College never stopped being a viable option for many their literally hasn't been a draft since they stopped lettin dudes go pro outta high school where at least one one and done hasn't gotten taken lottery
You can't discredit G-League Ignite players when they haven't even reached their peaks in their careers yet. It is a bit of a stretch since we don't have enough evidence to prove whether it is a success or not.
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@@DKM_Sports Jalen Green is only 21 years old, lol. Just give him time, he was drafted at 19.
@@DKM_Sports bro is pure hating for what reason
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@@DKM_SportsLogic is just out the window bro lmfao. Players drafted from Ignite are gonna be bad because they played for Ignite, but if Jalen Green ends up being great it's not relevant to Ignite.
Most draft picks turn into busts every year. There is such a small sample of Ignite players. Give it a couple years.
Jalen Green is Timber wovles Andrew Wiggins 2.0 terrible defender high scorer on bad effeciency.
this trash click bait why yall watch this im serious tell me
Wiggins was a pretty good defender for Minnesota actually @@emilfrederiksen.1622
respectfully, this is the dumbest thing I have ever watched. even if the guys from the ignite don’t have great stats, earning a role on a good team is very hard, so averaging 4-5pts and playing 15+ minutes a game for a playoff team is very impressive. when it comes to hardy and green, they both have lower stats than expected but they are both in positions to develop with great mentors around them and win games.
some of your videos have been great man. but this was the most cringe worthy basketball video I have ever watched. clear lack of basketball IQ and understanding of how players develop. last time I checked it’s very hard to DEVELOP IN 1 YEAR.
Jalen green is ass cheeks
Kuminga and green are killing it rn lol
Scoot actually looks really solid the last month. He started horrendous but he’s turning it around fast
He wasn’t all nba in his rookie season so apparently he is a bum
@@tdluxon Bro what 😂
Not sure where you’re getting your numbers but Scoot is averaging 12.4 ppg, 5.1 apg, on 37/30/77. Not the best, but he’s leading rookies in assists and fifth in ppg so he’s def not as bad as you’re suggesting.
And hes acting like miller is 10 times better there playing at similar levels
I don’t get the hate, his statline is almost the exact same as Tyrese Haliburton’s as a rookie
@@jjarvo1245 this dude has some of the most horrendous takes on all of TH-cam
not efficiency wise, and its the #2 vs #12 pick. scoot will get more judgement @@jjarvo1245
@@jjarvo1245 He decided he hated this idea and is trying to justify it instead of analyzing with an unbiased position to come to a conclusion. Its such a surface level analysis at that too, cherry picking counting stats, ignoring the broader context and nuance surrounding these players and calling them high-school players when he has nothing else to say. Its pathetic.
Scoot henderson wasn't sent to the g league because he was ass. It was literally just to practice with the remix after injury lmao
This video and half of these comments are so frustrating. It’s like people are crafting their own narrative, and ignoring history just to claim bust on these young guys
@@SpencerOnYThe's literally dogshit.
Bro could've research that for literally less than a minute but he's our here with his agendas
This whole video was basically "Rookies and new players struggle to get a footing in the NBA but have a lot of potential"... yeah? That's the case for everyone, Ignite and college players. Plenty of people coming from college have struggled with the transition. Fredette anyone? Just because a Luka hasn't appeared out of Ignite yet doesn't mean that it's been a bad thing. L video.
Keep in mind ignite players being an essential one and done college player at 19 years old entering the league.
The hate on Scoot Henderson seems to be so unwarranted 🤦🏾♂️ when he becomes a star I don’t wanna hear it.
Then when he averages 7ppg 3assist an 2 reb 3 years from now keep that energy
Scoot Henderson isnt good enough of a player currently to warrent his draft pick.. I could see if he was a lower pick but he was top 3. He is absolutely a bust currently regardless of how long he has been in the league, it doesnt matter. If youre a top 3 pick, you better be good enough to average over 10 ppg, 5 assists and 5 boards as a rookie starter. You're on a terrible NBA team and you are a top 3 pick who supposedly has good enough talent to improve and adapt quick enough to start all year, as well as the fact that you're probably the top 2 players on the team. He really has no excuse other than he cant adapt.. He probably isnt made for this, solely because of the fact that nobody gives a damn about winning in the G-League, they only care about individual progress so they can get called up. What do they look like trying to win a G-League chip making 30k a year? That isn't worth it. You'd have more success spending all of that effort at a 9-5 and get a promotion, or on your own business at that point.
You're never gonna hear it 😂😂
@@yungmo1599I want you to list me every player that has averaged 10/5/5 in their rookie year.
@@yungmo1599 that is the worst take I’ve seen in years
Didn’t know TH-camrs with this many subs could be casuals
You just named 5 guys that went in the lottery on guarantee contracts. The G league did with it promise get you drafted. It only failed couple player like marjon from the bucks because he didn’t go in the lottery. You can’t even call that failure because he’s having a productive career on a guaranteed contract.
Take into account many of the ignite players are one and done essentially. They may spend 6-9 months with the program before elevating to the next level. Their fit on the team that drafts them would seem to be a bigger factor in their success then the months they spend transitioning to being a pro essentially. So im not sure why folks don't focus more on how players fit on the teams they are drafted to and how that can affect the player they become.
Not mentioning Jaime or Chet in the ROTY race is criminal👎🏻
The video already dookie water but this right here borderline makes it unforgivable
Month of January def changes things. At this point especially with Chet’s poor play last several games and Wemby rising numbers & efficiency STILL on a minute restriction idk how you don’t give to Victor. Jaime is very solid but there’s levels to this ish
It was never a race.
Kuminga is now averaging over 20 this last month since calling out Steve Kerr. Golden state just couldn’t admit Klay needed to step down and kuminga should be the second option
No klay and dray need to step down for moody & kum man
@@notreallyafamousartist695 yup that’s what I said 👍
Seconds in and you state that Holland or Buzelis will be the #1 pick when Alex Sarr and Nikola Topic routinely are mocked in the top 2 spots. Then you state that the GL began due to Lavar Ball in 2017-2018 when in fact the NBDL began in 2001 and later became the D and then G league. Then you state that the only reason that players choose NCAA is tradition and use Jalen Green's 600k salary when not even top prospect Bronny James is getting over 5 million from his NIL deal.
G league ignite started after the JBA..,
@@DKM_Sports Point to you. I wouldn't attribute it to Ball's failed league but rather to NIL and to a lesser extent, Overtime Elite.
Beauchamp seems like a real sleeper that will take a big step when he gets the right opportunity
Went from JUCO to IGNITE to playing with Giannis
Yeah, Bucks fan I watched this video partly to see if he thinks Marjon is actually bad. He's a solid roll player right now with starter/borderline all-star potential. Not bad for the 24th pick.
Marjon will be Kawhi 2.0 in a couple seasons. In a couple years he'll be starting with Giannis when the older guys which are most of the team age out of the NBA.
I agree. Out of everyone he mentioned in the video Beauchamp seemed like the most likely to become a solid nba player except jalen green who already is one
Edit: forgot kuminga as well
You’ve got a point but probably should have waited a couple more years to make this video. Some of these players such as Henderson and Daniels still haven’t reached their potential. I think you need to be in the nba at least 3 years before being labeled a bust. Also 2 out of the 3 college coaches you mentioned are retired lol
Rent ain’t due in a couple more years lmfao 😭😭
Scoot Henderson is showing flashes of greatness and jalen green is on a team with multiple good player so its not really his fault
Flashes? Dude is shooting 35% from the field. Where are these flashes
@@Romanus- he's a rookie give him time. Kobe was absolute garbage in his rookie year.
@@24burnaa74 but kobe showing more promise than scoot in his rookie season. kobe shot 41% from the field 37 3pt% & 87 ft%. a lot better than scoot and he was not a lottery pick. compare to scoot who 3rd overall pick and shoot 37fg%/30pt%/77ft%.
I know you are optimistic about scoot but compared him to all time great when his performance is not warranted to such comparison for the first place is just nonsense.
@@Romanus- he looks horrible. he's been the highest turnovers per possession in the league and bottom ten TS%. never shot over 50% in a single game still. not to mention the fouls. this big turnaround is him not looking like a high schooler playing among men, not at all near a top 3 pick level
@24burnaa74 i get your point but this dude scoot isnt near the level of talent as a young kobe.
G-League, "Glorified AAU..." Ouch. Can't argue with you either.
Scoot Henderson Rookie Stats:
12.4ppg 5.1apg 2.9rpg 45.8% TS
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Tyrese Haliburton Rookie Stats:
13.0ppg 5.3apg 3.0rpg 58.5% TS
Jalen Green Year 3 Stats:
17.5ppg 3.1apg 4.6rpg 53.6% TS
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Kobe Bryant Year 3 Stats:
19.9ppg 3.8apg 5.3rpg 54.9% TS
Just two examples of players you were harsh on in this video comparing quite well with players I assume you quite like, at the same point in their careers. You’re ignorant. And you’re a casual. Not every player is going to be a HOF. The G League Ignite has too small a sample size for you to correctly evaluate wether or not it works. So far, yes it does. It’s only been 3 years and they have produced at least 3 nba players a year. Watch basketball. Scoot is a Point Guard. He has the most double doubles of any non center rookie this year. His numbers to not “only come in garbage time”. 30th Dec, he didn’t score 22pts, 7rbs 11ast on 60% 3PT only in garbage time. 6th Jan, he didn’t magically have 17pts 3rbs 10ast in the last 3 minutes of a blowout (which is what garbage time actually is) and by the way, for the first month of the season (when you say he had a historically terrible start which is wrong anyway) out of all players with at least 10 games played and at least 25min per game, he was number 1 in defensive rating. Only two Point Guards have come into the NBA already elite in the last 20 years, Chris Paul & Luka Doncic. All the rest have needed at least a year if not 2,3 or even 4 to grow into their role. You’re tarnishing players and spreading misinformation
And also, don’t rely on your fan base being stupid in order to spread stupidity, because some of your fans, like me, actually watch basketball and actually understand it. You’re just saying horrible things to get peoples attention. Which fair play to you, you’ve done. But I think people need to know this. Not just you.
agreed with you brother
Seems like these are average rookies. Lots of lottery picks turn out like this.
You need to actually watch basketball, Kuminga has arrived
the reason kuminga and all the other warriors rookies haven’t panned out as soon as warriors fans would have liked is bc of Kerr and his inability to develop young talent. He keeps young players on a tight leash, unless he’s forced to play them bc they either produce (ex Poole) or don’t disrupt the flow of the offense (ex Podz), and doesn’t allow them to have consistent pt to gain more nba experience.
We’re only really seeing JK now bc he finally gained Kerr’s trust. It was so frustrating seeing guys like Anthony lamb play over JK and Moody bc Kerr loves hustle players. The warriors FO is great at scouting talent but they don’t know how to develop shit unfortunately.
Way too early to have such a strong opinion. The sample size is just too small.
Your Kuminga take turned out real well
I don't know about what you said on Jonathan Kuminga but this young fella is doing great sadly Steve Kerr limits Kuminga potential
You can literally do this with any way a player gets into the NBA. The draft is speculation, most players under perform expectations.
This is just to prove that the Ignite have not had any really good player being drafted.
Scoot looks good he's only 19
The oldest GLI alums are only in their 3rd year right now, to say all of their players suck is extremely immature. Plus, 6 out of the 10 GLI draftees are rotational players right now. The ones that aren't are 2nd round picks and 2nd round picks often don't make it in the NBA, regardless of what program they're from. And then in your description you go from your title saying all of them suck, to asking if Matas and Holland will become the first GOOD players, then in a comment reply to someone you say if Jalen Green becomes GREAT it won't be because of GLI. You're just changing the goalposts
Udoka took the ball outta Jalen Greens hand and making he play defense to work for it
And he has sucked ass this season
Scoot Henderson was a nominee for the best player of the week, understand he has not been good most of the season but you should understand what the word potential means in order to not slander young guys that are figuring out their careers
You should average 20ppg if you went to the lottery according to this channel lol so much subs for being a casual
I think this is a premature take. A lot of these players are not yet even close to their primes or have settled into an identity. Not all these players are terrible, they're just still figuring out. I wouldn't say it's a failure yet, it's definitely not a success. I would still give it another 3 years.
Immediately lost credibility when he claimed that one of them was probably going first overall
bro, you never explained why the g league development system fails to get the most out of these youn prospects
Wishing nothing but the best for Marjon Beauchamp, man had to show up by himself to the nba draft bc no one believed in him
I agree that there's currently a trend that may frighten future prospects from committing but these are still super young dudes. Gotta give it several more years before we can really judge.
“I never said Scoot Henderson was a bad player. I said he looks like a High Schooler thrown into an NBA floor” 💀 bro that’s worse
"Jalen Green cam get buckets..." isn't that the point? We have to start looking at coaches
Kuminga is a good player. Kerr was just impatient with developing him because they had other veterans on the team.
Kerr hasn't really proved that he could be patient and develop any young player. Klay, Dray and Steph were already good when he got there
We argue about this at my work all the time.
I feel like talent is at an all time high, but skill (the average skills possessed by the majority of players) might be at an all time low in the modern NBA. I watch league pass games, and am amazed how many games boil down to inefficient transition shot chucking. No plays, no rebounding, no defense, no dribbling with your off hand, trips to the line where the guy misses both FREE throws.... 12 missed transition threes, 8 turnovers, 6 fouls, 9 points scored in 6 mins of game time.
These kids getting millions don't have the skills they should have been taught in middle school, and no idea how to be a part of a winning culture. Just trying to pad the stats to get contracts.
Honestly, one of the worst takes I've ever seen. The Super teams were pretty corny, so I didn't watch for a couple of years but coming back and having League pass this season, I was blown away by the amount of 6'8 to 6'11 Swiss army knives in the League today. Guys who can block, defend, rebound, shoot 3s, make every pass, initiate the offense and put the ball on the deck from 30 feet out and drive to the cup and finish gracefully with body control, not just slam it home. Sure, there can be some sloppy ball being played at times, but the skill of the average NBA player today is INSANE. To say skills possessed are low today is laughable.
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Not only is talent at an all time high so is skill bud. Players are much more skilled today. Looking at this shitty ignite players who went though a shitty development system isn't enough to make an overarching statement on the entire league.
8 of them got called up other teams lucky to have one call up “ next up” Can’t fool me I sit courtside
It’s just as many bust that came out of college
The JBA wasn't an opportunity for talented basketball players outside of college, it was purely a showcase for the Ball sons by their father and everyone else became collateral damage. The other players weren't paid what they were promised, and when it went bust they also lost out on the eligibility to play for college.
It wasn't anything unique either. Players could already play overseas or they could play for the numerous other minor leagues inside the US. There was the TBL (2018-), UBL (2008-), UBA (2009-16), ABA (2000-), PBL (2008-), APBL (2011-19), IBA (2011-17), ECBL (2015-), NBLC (2011-23), CEBL (2019-), etc.
Dyson Daniels is underrated by the casual fan. He'll be a really good role player potentially for a contending team. Every team needs a player like him.
A lot of first round picks end up as role players with decade long careers earning millions off the bench. Just because you’re a high pick doesn’t mean you’ll be a star
All I have to say about Scoot Henderson is Darius Garland's first two years in the league was atrocious that coming from a Cavaliers fan give these young guys time
So why doesn’t the nba just let players go straight to the nba
With NIL now, is it really true that the G League is the best option?
not at all since nil pays similarly to the ignite contracts. the ignite might be the worst option to take. tougher competition with no real exposure and is more of a showcase than a team trying to play winning basketball.
The logic behind this video barely makes sense. After Daniels, none of the players discussed are lottery picks, so why do you frame them being back in the G league as a bad thing? That's generally what should be expected of second-round draft picks, and they probably made more money in the G league than they would have with an NIL deal in college. On top of that, G league ignite was formed less than 5 years ago, there's no way u can make those claims especially when there were really only 4 lottery picks that you can use as examples. This is especially true when comparing the developmental capability of G league ignite versus college basketball. Maybe more people play in college that's why they have more success stories...and also more busts. The end of the video is actually laughable too. Prospective lottery picks learn more playing against amateurs in college cuz they...play in front of large crowds of people? And playing in front of grown professionals who are all fighting for a spot in the NBA somehow prepares you less...Also Coach K and Roy Williams are retired bud
Couldn't have said it any better. Lol the creator of this video is fried
It takes a while to hit your prime in the NBA, coaching is in a dip rn. None of them are just lebron. The talent gap between a role player and star player is smaller than it’s ever been. And it’s takes a lot of working pieces to become a superstar. I’ve worked with a lot of these guys a handful have that potential but it takes more than the player themselves to get to that point the team, coach and GM vision has a lot to do with it.
That Josh giddey pic was FOUL
being opinionated just for the sake of having something to make a video on..
And now the G-League Ignite is officially done.
Take it easy. None of these players have even reached thier fifth season.
Cade was projected number one in the draft before the szn even started I’m pretty sure. It’s common for players to pass each other from high school, some elite high school players don’t even stick around in the league (Harry giles off the top my head went to college too)
This is a huge reach. I think what’s actually being seen in these situations is that most players don’t make it in the league. No matter what route they take. There are only so many spots and with stars nowadays playing longer and longer into their careers there’s even less spots for guys that are actually good but haven’t had a chance to hold the keys, let alone guys that are struggling to find their footing. It sucks but that’s the game.
I think there are a few issues with this analysis... First, the total sample size for G-league ignite is very small, so its not a totally fair to compare the results from like 15 players to thousands of player that play in college. If you looked at the percentage of college players that are either busts or never even make the NBA, it is much higher. Second, I don't agree with calling all of these guys busts... Jalen Green is averaging 20 ppg, Scoot Henderson got off to a rough start but he ended up averaging like 15 ppg as a rookie, and Jonathan Kuminga didn't get much opportunity his first two years, but he started getting more playing time this past season and was scoring like 20 ppg for the second half of the season. None of them are superstars, but that's not a bust. Also, all of them are still just getting started in their careers, there are a lot of hall of fame guys that didn't really do much in their first 1-3 years so way to early to draw any conclusions.
Kuminga, Green and Henderson are all solid NBA starters rn and (two of them) are IMPROVING at a healthy rate
I think it isn’t right to call some of these guys busts or that the Ignite program isn’t working when all of the guys you mention are probably 22 years old or younger. They’re just now getting their feet wet and you already want to say the program they came from hasn’t been successful. Give them a couple more years when they’re around 26,27, 28 years old before you try and casts them off to the side like that. That isn’t fair to them.
Jalen green has literally declined from his sophmore year shooting on terrible effeciency and Scoot has always been overated imo even before he struggled in the NBA.
@@emilfrederiksen.1622they’re both incredibly young. You can’t expect a player to average 30 points in their early 20s if you look at some of the recent mvps you’ll notice it took them a while to get to that level
It way too early too tale jalen green inconsistent scoot just got draft kuminga is kinda breaking out then u have later picks like dyson daniel jaden hardy who are solid role player that will be in league for years
4/5 players you mentioned were potential #1 picks...
@@DKM_Sportsonly thing your video MAY prove is that G league players suffer because college ball is played with higher IQ so players that come from the g league are disadvantaged in the IQ department but Beuchamp has good IQ and takes good shots but than again he’s the only player on this list that actually has a basketball mind and isn’t just worried about getting buckets or even being In the nba he just wants to get better so he’s an outlier but I agree that G league prospects suffer because they don’t progress in g league usually a player gets his skills from childhood and high school than the IQ from college not many players actually improve talent wise in college but they do become wiser and gain a lot of IQ but unfortunately the G league doesn’t have the basketball minds college has (in the coaching department) so they just end up playing the equivalent of another high school season so I definitely understand your take but I feel you delivered it a bit wrong
@@DKM_Sportsalso college is not only played with high IQ they also play with high levels of chemistry another thing the G league has failed to teach them is the importance of team basketball that’s why almost every player on this list averaged under 6 assists on ignite and btw beuchamp is gonna be a all star caliber player I’m sure of it cuz not only does he have the desire to get better at the game (more than just scoring) he also has Gianni’s who is no stranger to having to become better talent and IQ wise and actually how to train to see those improvements (Jason Kidd installed that in him ) not the drive to become better but the know how and I believe he can pass that on to beuchamp who already has the drive and just needs the know how I feel like every player on this list either doesn’t have the drive to become better OR they just don’t know how to train like an NBA player and how to actually become better
Jonathan kuminga enters chat
That Josh Giddy picture was foul ☠️
Marjon needs minutes, and experience other than that everything else is there, work ethic, willing to learn and listen, all great things that makes a player reliable
As a rockets fan its hard seeing jalen not reach his true potential
Bro he’s 21 years old give it time. Name one player who entered their prime at 21
@@S1MEONTV I don't expect him to be in his prime, I expect to see some signs of improvement which he hasn't. His shooting percentages are garbage and he doesn't really do anything else besides score, he basically is another jordan poole.
Kumbucket is playing well rn
I feel like this video is 3-5 years too early. Even the oldest Ignite players are still on their rookie contracts, but i will say we can already say they aren’t creating “NBA-Ready Prospects” like they were hoped to do. These guys seem to need as much if not more development than any other prospects
dont leave out trayce tho, hes been a bucket in Draymond's absence
LOL the photo you chose for Josh Giddey
Only Wemby ahead of Miller in ROTY? Dude Chet is running away with ROTY.
I meant from the draft class
Moses “Stay Ready” Moody has been good
Kobe struggled coming straight outta high school. Don’t let LeBron fool you. That shits hard to do
kuminga and miller ironically been good af lol
Sometimes it seems like the G-league as a whole isn't conducive to developing good all-around players. Too many players trying to shine individually and not displaying how they could work in a team system. I blame the coaches.
Who’s here after the G league Ignite got disbanded?😭😭😭
People keep saying to me that Scoot has this crazy athleticism, size, and speed.. But I'm still looking to see what the fuck they are talking about 😂 he's literally 6'1 maybe 6'2, a little more muscular than the average NBA guard but plays below the rim, and really isn't blowing by guys with ease when the ball is in his hands.
Past thumbnail was Jalen Green who is for sure not a bust.
I think Ignite is really just to let a player make it to the nba and not to make an actual nba player
G leauge MVP doesnt matter because the good ones only stay a couple games in the g league before getting called up. its like the JV mvp where the actually good guys are called up to varsity
These comments got me crying bro I really liked the video keep doing your thing. I’d never send my kid to G League Ignite 😂😂
the jalen green one aged well
Point guard has the hardest learning curve. Give them time
As a pelicans fan , we fuck with Dyson Daniels. We don’t really need him to score, we need him to play defense and lock down players like he does already
What do you expect? They don't play defense there, no competition whatsoever.
Did you really just mention Sidy Cissoko? He was drafted in the 2nd round and expected to be a project... Lol. How many 2nd round picks do you see playing meaningful minutes in their rookie year?
This isn’t a fair comparison. You have a much smaller sample size with a smaller time frame. You’re drawing a conclusion after 3 years, that’s a knee jerk reaction
Marjon Beauchamp has that dog in him 🔥, I can't wait to see what he does in the league.
Saying “history says no” is a stupid take on a 3 year sample size
Was just thinking yesterday how the GLI doesn't seem to be working. Nobody coming from there is excelling in the NBA. Good video.
Kuminga is basically the only one
Lies they have 8 nba guys in the up next game NBA Allstar weekend . Only ignite has that many stars , Quit hating out of 28 picked they have 8
the problem of Gleague Ignite is they all experience more losing games than winning games plus the atmosphere is not wild as the NCAA games.
Most of these players should just go to college so they can at least have a plan b if their freshman year doesn’t go as expected
A 4-year degree will generate 2 million in your lifetime. You don't need a plan B when you can earn 2 million a season overseas if the NBA doesn't work out. College basketball players don't need college.
It they could, than yeah. But for elite level prospects, spending more time in uni means you’re losing out on generational wealth. They’re also expected to be 1 and done players, which is impossible to get a major, even a minor would be difficult.
Green is the perfect example of why the G-league hurts players. They know they are not getting benched and with no structure from the coaching staff it hurts a lot. They get a big head but they never learn and never grow as a player because they are more worried about points than even trying on defense. It's all about the show off with highlights that make their highlight films look amazing. Why is it the guys coming out of college are better at defense? They have to put in the work and earn their place among their teammates and on the court compared to the G league were it's all about getting your own numbers and the team concept is not there and it shows. If they are not going to put a coaching staff together that actually work the players that makes them work as a team and stop this highlight show bullshit and get down to winning with the team or just end the program because they are hurting these kids in a bad way and they need to stop.
Because numerically speaking there's been more college players... you're essentially saying the ignite creates an ego in players that stops them from playing hard at the next level using j green as your example. What is your take on Dyson Daniels who is a player who earns his playing time due to defense, or marjon Beauchamp going from playing in junior college to contributing defensively on a championship caliber team? I do believe Kuminga had a primarily defensive role coming into the league.
You have a very surface level analysis.
Jalen Green is definitely an exception
That Kuminga take didn't age well
You are a Casual kid , Jonathan Kuminga is a future allstar
Kuminga is a starter, he is untradeable and in the past 12 games he's averaging 24ppg on 16FGA, 6 rpg, 2.6 apg whilst playing great defensively. Not only have you judged Kuminga far too early you've judged the whole Ignite team far too early. They've only been around for a few years. Like give them a minute for their players to become good. Dyson is in his second season for fuck's sake. Scoot hasn't even finished his rookie season yet. Like it's exceedingly rare for a 19 year old to be a good pg. It does take time for a player to learn.
Thinks are looking dramatically different for Kuminga and Jalen Green since this was uploaded
How’s ignite?
@@DKM_Sports it’s dead but the premise of your video is that Ignite failed because the players who came out of it are busts which seems like it may not be the case
@@Aboriginalabg It's trash content and he can't even admit his mistake lol
Most college players are also busts. Being good in the NBA is hard doesn't matter where you come from