I chose the sigma 16/1.4 as my one lens and am so happy with it, although it is a bit heavy indeed. I was a bit surprised when you said that at 16mm, F1.4 (on the sigma) was not much different than F2.8 (on the Lumix)?!
The lower-res of video makes the difference less noticeable, but I was surprised, too, and checked the tests: "...and by f/2.8 you get 90.2 lpmm, practically brushing against the official record..." www.lenstip.com/522.4-Lens_review-Sigma_C_16_mm_f_1.4_DC_DN_Image_resolution.html I can see why some videographers would prefer the zoom, though, as it's very compact and still very sharp if you don't need wide apertures :)
I think you are a bit severe with Voigtlander 25 mm. it's true that it's far too creamy at full aperture, yet from F2 it becomes a very nice lens to use with MFT cameras (GH Lumix and BMC Pocket 4K) as it is not as oversharpened or videoish like some Lumix lens are.
The Lumix 12-35 is focus by wire and it is almost impossible to get consistent focus throw on it. Why then do you recommend that lens for a full manual camera like the BMPCC 4k? Would love to know how you are using the Lumix G 12-35 with BMPCC 4k and pulling focus on it.
I agree. I owned it and changed it for the Oly 12-40. No IS and still some barrel distorsion at 12mm but at least i can focus!!! Olympus lenses fit my needs much better.
@@vizualizefilmsllc6225 That is exactly what I did in 2019. I now have a Meike 25mm and a Meike 16mm. So 50 and 32mm equivalent. Excellent lenses for the price.
The shots with the G Vario at 3:31 and up look great, are you using a graded image or did you set that in camera? If so, what settings are they? It looks amazing.
it seems it s about primes vs zooms and you re more on the zoom side of things. there s a ton of reasons to be on the other side as well and then the sigma or voigtlaender sets actually make a lot of sence to pick. in my opinion they look better and less videolike like the panasonic zooms.
Does the *URSA Mini Pro 4.6K G2* also accept micro four thirds lenses? What lenses work for both cameras? Another question. Watched your review and comparison of three rigs for the *BMPCC4K* camera, and none were the *small rig* that I see you have in this video. Did you decide the *small rig* is better than your favorite rig from that video (the *CAME TV* rig if I recall right).
Great review. Using my BMPCC4K handheld, I normally the Panasonic 12-35 2,8 and the Panasonic 42,5 1,4. I especially love the 42,5 - such a awesome picture quality and nice bokeh and last not least: IS. I missed that one in your list ;)
EMBE I’m looking to get the BM4k and Panny 12-35 IS combo. How is The IS on the panny? Does handheld look nice with this combo? Not to robotic with the movement?
@@GeorgeStanleyStan You cannot compare it with IBIS of the GH5, but I'm pretty happy with the results. Pretty stable and easy to handle. The movement looks smooth and "human-like".
Great video, thanks! You do not speak about barrel distortion on the std Pan and Olympus lenses on the BMPCC4K? I have just got one now and was surprised coming for GH... What is your view?
Tom, do you consider using something like the MB SB 0.71 ultra and say the Sigma 18-35 (EF) to be ‘better’ - superior in quality to the equivalent lenses you are suggesting in this video?
Tom, I usually agree with you. But the Sigma 16mm f1.4 is over two stops faster than the Panasonic 12-35 f/2.8! That's ISO-800 instead of ISO-3200. Even with the BMPCC4K better high ISO performance, the use case can't be denied. I'm strongly considering getting one for my GH5S.
How dare you disagree with me! 😉 It is a great lens I own it in Sony E mount for my a6500 but I personally couldn't justify it for the bmpcc4k since I already own all these other lenses and I also use speedbooster and other fast wide angle cinema glass. But if you feel like you're going to use it a lot then yes it's a great quality lens. Me, I barely ever took it out.
Tom is it me or is EVERYONE grading the BMPCC4K very warmly and underexposing? There’s always lack of contrast and it seems most of the data is between 0-500 on the IRE. Are filmmakers trying to go for this look to be cool because it just looks muddy. It seems everyone’s afraid to blow out the highlights (as if they’re told they’ll lose dynamic range). Hence, muddy shots with no punch.
Though the Pana G-Lenses are good workhorses, there`s a point, I`m looking for lenses with "character". Thanks to mft mount, you can adapt all vintage lenses in the world and most of them are easy to get (and cheap). There are tons of Canon FD lenses. A Pentax Super Takumar 50mm f/1.4 has got very fascinating flares, which look very cinematic. Also SLR Magic got some intersting lenses like the 8mm. Of course they are all manual lenses. But do we need auto- and stabilized lenses on the BMPCC 4k? Just if you wanna shoot handheld most of the time. But I highly recommend a tripod and a gimbal with follow focus (as Moza Air), like Tom showed in other reviews.
What about the 12-35 mm panasonic lens. I have notices that parallel lines are not parallel. Do you correct that in davinci. Or do I make a mistake? anyone out there?
Just been trying out some wildlife shots with the p4k; I definitely liked how much you could zoom in with that Olympus 300mm, quite keen on that myself. It's either that or the Panasonic 100-300mm.
Great review! Wich lens would you recommend for landscape shots with mountains in the background? What if i get the Panasonic Lumix G X Vario (35 mm -100 mm, f/2.8) for around 900 bucks, would that be a good choice for the bmpcc 4k?
Whoa, what is happening @1:25?? Software stabilization glitch? It's like double vision bokeh. I've loved the 35-100 since I bought it brand new in 2012 and just recently sold it but I think many of the Panasonic/Olympus m43 lenses just really don't fit in well with, what I think most people want to use the Pocket 4K for. I'd hate it for weddings/events/small projects because of the power issues, lacking IBIS, no EVF, and locked-in screen. To work around all of these things innately slows me down and aren't worth the trade-off for shooting raw. The IS lenses really offer very little help compared to a GX85, G85, GH5, etc. to the point where you really just want this camera on sticks or a gimbal with a motorized follow focus. This camera really is a cinema camera; meaning it needs more attention and setup time than any Panasonic m43 body. So with that said, I think the way to go with this camera is basically getting all the Voigtlander lenses, a gimbal w/follow focus, and a good tripod. The Voigtlanders are the fastest, smallest lenses you can get with repeatable focus pulls. If you really need the lens stabilization, then beef it up with the Tamron 24-70 and 70-200 f/2.8 G2's w/ 0.64x SB. But I think getting those two are quite a bit extra. I just don't know what small budgeted-clients (if they're hiring you + Pocket 4K) are going to need 100-300mm focal lengths + raw footage. FYI, I've been a diehard Panasonic fan since the GH1 (GH2, GH3, G7, GX85 + G85). Just recently sold all my m43 bodies in the past couple months (begrudgingly) and most lenses as I've switched to Sony and BM. Kept some m43 glass for the Pocket 4K (voigt 25, Oly 17/1.8). With Sony's incredible autofocus and EF mount lenses offering repeatable focus pulls, the focus-by-wire lenses from Panasonic don't seem like a great investment for a cinema camera, even one as cheap as the Pocket 4K.
Fair points. I also believe that the most effective IS lenses are not mft (since they only kiinda do half the job along with ibis) but in fact ef lenses. Canon has always made them to work as best they can on their own, since they dont have ibis in their Cameras. So the Canon or Tamron 24-70mm are the best stabilized lenses out their I think. Focus by wire on mft lenses could actually be a useable in the future because BMD just announced today an upcoming fw-update for the P4k that will enable focus controll with the focus wheel of a gimbal. That could make mft lenses good for gimbal use. Another point is that a lot of mft lenses rely on in camera corrections for optical issues like distortion or ca. I think that the P4k cant do that ether.
I have the BMP4K and the LUMIX 12-35mm G X VARIO II lens. When zoomed out at 12mm it looks pretty fish eyed to me. It becomes especially evident when walking down an office hallway that has a lot of straight lines, for example. Any advice?
this is the first video ive seen with a negative voigtlander review all ive seen for it have been rave reviews and some of the footage has been crazy good
Then it must be the perfect lens! You want my honest opinion then here it is. I have it, I used it and now it mostly sits in my camera bag because I prefer the other 25mm lens I have. But if you don't mind the bigger size and if you don't have any other 25mm lens than you might like it. Either way this is me being honest about what I like and what I don't like.
@@TomAntos I understand completely! I was just saying it's the first time i've ever seen anything negative about it.I love hearing different opinions on equipment :-3
When using native MFT lenses on an MFT sensor... do you get the same field of view as when using full frame lenses with the XL Metabones speed booster? I'm asking because I only have a full frame camera with full frame lenses but thinking of switching over to the BMPCC 4k and MFT lenses are so much cheaper but I've never used them before
How's this camera with ef lenses? I have two tokina cine zooms (16-28 t3 and 50-135 t3) with ef mount and I'm just wondering if they'll focus light onto the sensor without any issues. I've seen a video with the viltrox adapter where when the lens is fully open, the adapter softens the image. Just looking for some user experience info before ordering the camera :) hope you don't mind me asking
Do you know of any issues with the 20mm f/1.7 on the BMPCC 4k? I already have that lens. CAF doesn't really work, but CAF doesn't really work with any lens on this camera.
My go to lens on the P4k is the Sigma 18-35mm. It's sooo awesome with this camera! I thought about making the switch to only ef lenses so I can use my adapter support bracket for my cage all the time. On the other side I would love to use AF and OIS. This 35-100mm looks very, very interesting for me! Such a focal range and OIS in such a 'cheap and small' lens....... Looks like I should get one.
What is the aperture like for the 12-100mm? The Olympus PRO lenses have clutch MF which is handy (even Panasonic thought it was a good idea, and added it to their S PRO "Certified by LEICA" lenses for L.)
I cannot wait for that giant Panasonic 10-25 f/1.7 zoom. I know it'll be expensive, I know it'll be heavy, but it really will be the only lens you need as a filmmaker for most uses, with maybe one of the Voigtlander, Pana/Leica or Oly 42/45 primes to round out the focal ranges. I must admit, I love the Voigtlander primes myself. Nothing touches them for build quality and the smooth focus ring, plus the aperture that can be de-clicked with a button, are tailor made for video work. I feel like the 0.95 is there as a just in case, and they're great from about 1.2 or 1.4.
First I want to say that I love your videos very good stuff congrats. I need some help here I shoot music videos ( I had a Sony a6300 and some Sony lenses ) but I want to upgrade and switch to Blackmagic, I am waiting for my bmpcc4k (already buy it ) but I still don t know which lenses I should buy? Lumix lenses ? (12-35 f 2.8) or Meike Cine lens 25mm T2.2 and 16mm T2.2 for a start? How many LP6 will I need? I am thinking to shoot in braw 12:1 or 8:1 or you think I might use other format to shoot music videos? To shoot Braw do I need an ssd or It work with an sd card ( I have a sandisk 64gb sdxc 95mb extreme pro v30 U3 10). Can you please give me some advice, what should I do to have a great sistem (lenses, sd or ssd , batteries) with the bmpcc4k without breaking the bank I have a small budget. Thank you in advance
Tom Antos thank you I will see all your information. Have you try the Meike Cine lenses?( 25mm t2.2 and 16mm t2.2) for now but I heard that they are going to do more do you think it could be a good option?
@@jorgemonteiro5379 I'm also considering these cine lenses too and apparently the full set will be available by dec 2019 (ie 35,50,85) and the 12mm available aug 2019.
Stephen Smart I received the 16mm today just have it o few momentos in hands and it feels great but the sistem will be quickly heavy I buy a cage ssd an plate for batter and it will be a little heavy, I think you gonna love the lens it s easy to focus manually with it
If you are focussing on shooting with prime lenses you learn a lot about the specific focal length, while a lot of times when you are using the Zooms you become a little lazy and you aren't learning as much, as you could
Dumb questions: Forgive; I have Venus you show as well as the Lumix G 25mm 1.7 ( you show I think ) I just can not get a decent image, dull , distorted, weird colors at times.. Could someone give exact settings on 2019 BMPCC4K. to get something close to a normal image.....I do not even record. The image off. Blessings.....
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I think he forgot the Olympus 12-40! Probably the best lens for the pocket 4K! Yes i did use the panasonic 12-35. If u think of using a Wireless FF u will not be able to use it on the panasonic 12-35 cause its focus by wire.
Generally, I enjoy and agree with your videos and they often help me decide which pieces to buy to kit out my PCC4K. But this video, I have some argument with. For m43 systems, yes, I'd say that this lens lineup is pretty great and covers anything you'd need, but for the PCC4K, not so much. The Olympus 75-300 is largely unusable for this camera and any film making you'd want it for. For wildlife photography, sure. But the lack of I.S. requires a beefy tripod and mount to get anything remotely usable with it. And then you talk a lot about how the Lumix lenses have autofocus so that's better than the others. But the PCC4K doesn't have continuous auto focus, so for me, a REAL focus ring over that dumb focus-by-wire junk seems to be more usable for this particular camera. And that's why I was surprised that the Olympus 12-40 didn't make your top 5. That lens is extremely sharp and has an option to use a mechanical focus ring, or snap to focus by wire if you wanted that. The only thing it lacks is I.S., but at $650 new (*when I bought it), it was a steal compared to the Lumix. The Laowa is a lens that almost defies physics, and I find myself using it often on a gimbal. One good thing to come from this video is that I'll steer clear of that Voigtlander. What's the point of f/0.95 if you really won't ever use it since it's so soft. One last thing. Your battery door. Do you have issues with it staying closed?? I did too. Any time I squeezed the grip, like... picking it up, the door would pop open. But I contacted BlackMagic and they sent me a replacement door and now it stays firmly closed all the time.
for the pocket 4 k i have been using oly 12-100 f4 and quite pleased with it, manual focus clutch ok but prefer fully manual lenses like i use for pocket original.....3 manual nikkor primes (20, 50, 105 micro) with speedbooster.
Hi Eric Zhao, The oly 12-100 f4.0 is the slowest lens I have ever owned. It has been great during the day on the pocket 4k (use a tiffen vari ND) and for the sort of work I do i would need some lighting at night anyway, it is the only lens i have with IS that I would very occasionally think to use, in a quick grab for the camera, usually I just use a tripod and am happy to do so. As for the bokeh, if you go onto my channel and look at the "frogmouths" video it was shot entirely on bmpcc 4k and the oly 12-100 f4.0 and I was very pleased with the outcome. But completely understand if this lens would not or may not suit your filming purposes. All the best. @@ericcoen8894
Thank you Tom! Love ur videos! I know now Wich lenses to buy! Waiting on the 12-35 as first lens! And the 25mm ur right 1.7 at so cheap Im buying that to tomorrow lol ! I was think about them two but started with wide and Lens IS! Thanks
Tom Antos Hey Tom, I’m on a budget and looking to do narrative, do you think this combo (12-35/25mm1.7) would work for narrative. Only issue is the manual focus, but I can’t justify spending more on Cine lenses. Sigma 18-35 would be an option, but is just not that logistical for any non narrative projects I do. The lumix IS is too good to do away with..
I have the PANASONIC LUMIX G II Lens, 20MM, F1.7 for my G85 which I use when I want to be very stealth and discrete or traveling light. Excellent lens, small, compact, great quality, very sharp. I can not recommend it enough just get the lens hood to reduce flairs.
CINEYTAL Yes’m i have it, and its making problems. AF is real fast, but sometimes is going crazy. But the biggest problem is with small vibrations, it’s stops after you turn off stabilization. The same lanes works great with GH5 and E-M10 III.
@@miket8427 i ordered, filmed a wedding with it and returned it... Quality is very good, but focus ring is not precise at all, stabilization is working when it wants too... Not for me, I've got a Meike 35 cinelens instead. So happy with it
@@martagalanoficial For wedding i'm just use in 90% of the time Lumix 12-35, and also happy with it :-) The same for my youtube tech chanel: th-cam.com/channels/Ue2EOLg-MFXsOZ5NScNvag.htmlvideos
Sigma has a better look imo to Panasonic and even though the depth of field of 2.8 to 1.7 isn’t that different, that’s a fair amount more light and in truly low light environments is warranted.
10:25 "...a little bit sharper..." Eh? I realise that the lower-res of 4K video makes it less material, however, this particular prime is known for being sharp: "...and by f/2.8 you get 90.2 lpmm, practically brushing against the official record..." www.lenstip.com/522.4-Lens_review-Sigma_C_16_mm_f_1.4_DC_DN_Image_resolution.html Though the zoom gets close stopped down "...by that f/4.0 we get MTFs as high as 80 lpmm..." (~83-85lpmm on the newer sensor) www.lenstip.com/367.4-Lens_review-Panasonic_G_X_VARIO_12-35_mm_f_2.8_ASPH._P.O.I.S_Image_resolution.html
Shooting at 0.95 doesn't appeal to everyone, the DOF is razor thin so you have to nail it, a lot of people want sharpness and 0.95 won't give you sharpness, if you want character in your shots then its perfect along with vintage lenses but for the majority it's all about sharpness
@@spikespiegel5569 if he's not using the 0.95 then he would just use the lumix 25mm and not need the nokton, don't get me wrong I can't wait to buy a full set of noktons for mine but they're not for everyone
the problem i have is shooting indoors adjusting and all variations alot sudeenly outside then completelly bright natural setting then completely dark ...all using one lense ......thats where i want something
@@mattnev8625 "small for a cinema camera" got it. it will be interesting to see what happens to the cinema camera market when mirrorless cameras capture raw. i guess cinema camera will become smaller and most pro tools such as vectorscope will go on a computer, camera will send raw image wirelessly and everything will be done on a laptop
The 25mm is not smooth. WIth this camera you need stabilization on it all in my opinion.I have a gimbal on this camera and its not smooth at all with CINE lens. Great video though, I will try the 12-35.
He must not shoot in low light a lot. You can definitely tell the DOF difference between 1.4 and 2.8 though, but again depends on the shot. Seem's like Tom likes smaller lenses, which makes sense as its one of the attractions of shooting M43.
"There is this lens, but don't buy it it's shit. This one... don't buy it either. And this one is useless don't buy it." OH THANX FOR THESE AMAZING ADVICES Tom xD
Lol it's funny how when I do a video where I show things I only like people complain that I never say anything bad about any product. I tell them it's because I don't have time to do a video just about things I don't like so I talk about things I do recommend. In this video I try to just show all the lenses I used with this camera and which lenses I did end up using and liking and which ones I didnt like and why. Anyway glad you like the video and my advice 😉 now if you want go and buy all the lenses or don't buy any.
@@TomAntos i wish i can film with the bmpcc but my gh4 still can do a greate job and whats really matters are the shots i can make and the editing to tell a greate story about my week in dubai
Hi Tom, you recommend the 12-35mm Panasonic lens, but there seems to be a lot of videos and posts relating to the distortion. Max Yuryev on his channel shows some pretty alarming results. th-cam.com/video/C3wo7wCR7Ac/w-d-xo.html Have you experienced this issue and if so, how do you correct for it. Thanks
LUMIX is focus by wire and I’ve heard nothing but bad things about that... what’s your experience? Wouldn’t the Sigma art 50-100 be far superior? - I’m referring to image quality only.
I second this. I am surprised even he is recommending this lens for this camera. It's great for continuous AF supporting cameras. Why recommend it on full manual?
12-35mm 2.8 is my favourite for the Pocket 4K, also really love the Laowa 9mm 2.8.
My favorite is the zeiss cp3 35mm . It makes the pocket 4k look like a imax 3d camera
I'm getting vignetting and the image makes my desk look round, do you have that issue as well?
I chose the sigma 16/1.4 as my one lens and am so happy with it, although it is a bit heavy indeed. I was a bit surprised when you said that at 16mm, F1.4 (on the sigma) was not much different than F2.8 (on the Lumix)?!
The lower-res of video makes the difference less noticeable, but I was surprised, too, and checked the tests: "...and by f/2.8 you get 90.2 lpmm, practically brushing against the official record..." www.lenstip.com/522.4-Lens_review-Sigma_C_16_mm_f_1.4_DC_DN_Image_resolution.html
I can see why some videographers would prefer the zoom, though, as it's very compact and still very sharp if you don't need wide apertures :)
I think you are a bit severe with Voigtlander 25 mm. it's true that it's far too creamy at full aperture, yet from F2 it becomes a very nice lens to use with MFT cameras (GH Lumix and BMC Pocket 4K) as it is not as oversharpened or videoish like some Lumix lens are.
The Lumix 12-35 is focus by wire and it is almost impossible to get consistent focus throw on it. Why then do you recommend that lens for a full manual camera like the BMPCC 4k? Would love to know how you are using the Lumix G 12-35 with BMPCC 4k and pulling focus on it.
I agree. I owned it and changed it for the Oly 12-40. No IS and still some barrel distorsion at 12mm but at least i can focus!!! Olympus lenses fit my needs much better.
He said he used it with af sometimes
I would go with the MEIKE class of primes - the focus range on the lens you can really rack and pull focus, the Rokinon Cine Primes arent bad either
@@vizualizefilmsllc6225 That is exactly what I did in 2019. I now have a Meike 25mm and a Meike 16mm. So 50 and 32mm equivalent. Excellent lenses for the price.
@@RavikantRai21490 Good stuff! I just ordered the 16 and 35 Meike, cant wait! What do you use/do for focus pulling?
The shots with the G Vario at 3:31 and up look great, are you using a graded image or did you set that in camera? If so, what settings are they? It looks amazing.
yeah it soooo nice
What about the 25mm Meike?
Where in the USA did you shoot those amazing terraced houses?
0:06 "Blackmagic PACKET Cinema Camera!" 😅😆😂
Love it!!
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Perfect for holding ketchup.
I love my PACKET 4K and my PAKETTE 6K along with my ORSA MEENI 😁😜🎥
That battery door is killing me lol. Good stuff Tom
Sorry
@@TomAntos Keep up the good work bro. Maybe I'll see you at NAB!
it seems it s about primes vs zooms and you re more on the zoom side of things. there s a ton of reasons to be on the other side as well and then the sigma or voigtlaender sets actually make a lot of sence to pick. in my opinion they look better and less videolike like the panasonic zooms.
This was very very helpful. Thanks so much!
Does the *URSA Mini Pro 4.6K G2* also accept micro four thirds lenses? What lenses work for both cameras? Another question. Watched your review and comparison of three rigs for the *BMPCC4K* camera, and none were the *small rig* that I see you have in this video. Did you decide the *small rig* is better than your favorite rig from that video (the *CAME TV* rig if I recall right).
Hey Tom, what's the monitor mount you are using on your cage? Thanks in regard.
All the Lumix lenses suffer from barrel distortion (bulging or concavity) - were you correcting the distortion in post?
Nope
Great review. Using my BMPCC4K handheld, I normally the Panasonic 12-35 2,8 and the Panasonic 42,5 1,4. I especially love the 42,5 - such a awesome picture quality and nice bokeh and last not least: IS. I missed that one in your list ;)
EMBE I’m looking to get the BM4k and Panny 12-35 IS combo. How is The IS on the panny? Does handheld look nice with this combo? Not to robotic with the movement?
@@GeorgeStanleyStan You cannot compare it with IBIS of the GH5, but I'm pretty happy with the results. Pretty stable and easy to handle. The movement looks smooth and "human-like".
This video was so useful! Now i know if i get the black magic 4k wich 3 lenses get! Thank you sir!
Great video, thanks! You do not speak about barrel distortion on the std Pan and Olympus lenses on the BMPCC4K? I have just got one now and was surprised coming for GH... What is your view?
Tom, do you consider using something like the MB SB 0.71 ultra and say the Sigma 18-35 (EF) to be ‘better’ - superior in quality to the equivalent lenses you are suggesting in this video?
Tom, I usually agree with you. But the Sigma 16mm f1.4 is over two stops faster than the Panasonic 12-35 f/2.8! That's ISO-800 instead of ISO-3200. Even with the BMPCC4K better high ISO performance, the use case can't be denied. I'm strongly considering getting one for my GH5S.
How dare you disagree with me!
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It is a great lens I own it in Sony E mount for my a6500 but I personally couldn't justify it for the bmpcc4k since I already own all these other lenses and I also use speedbooster and other fast wide angle cinema glass. But if you feel like you're going to use it a lot then yes it's a great quality lens. Me, I barely ever took it out.
What do you think about the ZhongYi 25mm f0.95? I have one and I love it. Seems much smaller than your Voigtlander.
Where was this shot? 3:34 it’s beautiful!!
Tom is it me or is EVERYONE grading the BMPCC4K very warmly and underexposing? There’s always lack of contrast and it seems most of the data is between 0-500 on the IRE. Are filmmakers trying to go for this look to be cool because it just looks muddy. It seems everyone’s afraid to blow out the highlights (as if they’re told they’ll lose dynamic range). Hence, muddy shots with no punch.
Though the Pana G-Lenses are good workhorses, there`s a point, I`m looking for lenses with "character". Thanks to mft mount, you can adapt all vintage lenses in the world and most of them are easy to get (and cheap). There are tons of Canon FD lenses. A Pentax Super Takumar 50mm f/1.4 has got very fascinating flares, which look very cinematic. Also SLR Magic got some intersting lenses like the 8mm. Of course they are all manual lenses. But do we need auto- and stabilized lenses on the BMPCC 4k? Just if you wanna shoot handheld most of the time. But I highly recommend a tripod and a gimbal with follow focus (as Moza Air), like Tom showed in other reviews.
What about the 12-35 mm panasonic lens. I have notices that parallel lines are not parallel. Do you correct that in davinci. Or do I make a mistake? anyone out there?
Just been trying out some wildlife shots with the p4k; I definitely liked how much you could zoom in with that Olympus 300mm, quite keen on that myself. It's either that or the Panasonic 100-300mm.
Great review! Wich lens would you recommend for landscape shots with mountains in the background?
What if i get the Panasonic Lumix G X Vario (35 mm -100 mm, f/2.8) for around 900 bucks, would that be a good choice for the bmpcc 4k?
Whoa, what is happening @1:25?? Software stabilization glitch? It's like double vision bokeh.
I've loved the 35-100 since I bought it brand new in 2012 and just recently sold it but I think many of the Panasonic/Olympus m43 lenses just really don't fit in well with, what I think most people want to use the Pocket 4K for. I'd hate it for weddings/events/small projects because of the power issues, lacking IBIS, no EVF, and locked-in screen. To work around all of these things innately slows me down and aren't worth the trade-off for shooting raw. The IS lenses really offer very little help compared to a GX85, G85, GH5, etc. to the point where you really just want this camera on sticks or a gimbal with a motorized follow focus. This camera really is a cinema camera; meaning it needs more attention and setup time than any Panasonic m43 body.
So with that said, I think the way to go with this camera is basically getting all the Voigtlander lenses, a gimbal w/follow focus, and a good tripod. The Voigtlanders are the fastest, smallest lenses you can get with repeatable focus pulls. If you really need the lens stabilization, then beef it up with the Tamron 24-70 and 70-200 f/2.8 G2's w/ 0.64x SB. But I think getting those two are quite a bit extra. I just don't know what small budgeted-clients (if they're hiring you + Pocket 4K) are going to need 100-300mm focal lengths + raw footage.
FYI, I've been a diehard Panasonic fan since the GH1 (GH2, GH3, G7, GX85 + G85). Just recently sold all my m43 bodies in the past couple months (begrudgingly) and most lenses as I've switched to Sony and BM. Kept some m43 glass for the Pocket 4K (voigt 25, Oly 17/1.8). With Sony's incredible autofocus and EF mount lenses offering repeatable focus pulls, the focus-by-wire lenses from Panasonic don't seem like a great investment for a cinema camera, even one as cheap as the Pocket 4K.
Fair points. I also believe that the most effective IS lenses are not mft (since they only kiinda do half the job along with ibis) but in fact ef lenses. Canon has always made them to work as best they can on their own, since they dont have ibis in their Cameras. So the Canon or Tamron 24-70mm are the best stabilized lenses out their I think. Focus by wire on mft lenses could actually be a useable in the future because BMD just announced today an upcoming fw-update for the P4k that will enable focus controll with the focus wheel of a gimbal. That could make mft lenses good for gimbal use. Another point is that a lot of mft lenses rely on in camera corrections for optical issues like distortion or ca. I think that the P4k cant do that ether.
does the lumix 25mm f1.7 lens work for original bmpcc?
Yes
I have the BMP4K and the LUMIX 12-35mm G X VARIO II lens. When zoomed out at 12mm it looks pretty fish eyed to me. It becomes especially evident when walking down an office hallway that has a lot of straight lines, for example. Any advice?
this is the first video ive seen with a negative voigtlander review all ive seen for it have been rave reviews and some of the footage has been crazy good
Then it must be the perfect lens! You want my honest opinion then here it is. I have it, I used it and now it mostly sits in my camera bag because I prefer the other 25mm lens I have. But if you don't mind the bigger size and if you don't have any other 25mm lens than you might like it. Either way this is me being honest about what I like and what I don't like.
@@TomAntos I understand completely! I was just saying it's the first time i've ever seen anything negative about it.I love hearing different opinions on equipment :-3
which monitor is this Tom?
Thanks Tom, great presentation !!!!!
Hi, one question, how is it possible to use manual focus with this lens and the bmpcc 4K since it does not have a selector (automatic and manual)?
enjoyed very much
When using native MFT lenses on an MFT sensor... do you get the same field of view as when using full frame lenses with the XL Metabones speed booster? I'm asking because I only have a full frame camera with full frame lenses but thinking of switching over to the BMPCC 4k and MFT lenses are so much cheaper but I've never used them before
How's this camera with ef lenses? I have two tokina cine zooms (16-28 t3 and 50-135 t3) with ef mount and I'm just wondering if they'll focus light onto the sensor without any issues. I've seen a video with the viltrox adapter where when the lens is fully open, the adapter softens the image. Just looking for some user experience info before ordering the camera :) hope you don't mind me asking
Would you please talk about the camera cage setup you use for your BMPCC4K?
Yes in an upcoming video. Thx
Which adopter u use for ef Mount lens
Tom, how come camera lens makers use glass rather than Polycarbonate, which eyeglasses use? It would be less expensive to produce and equally strong.
Is there a crop when attaching the 7-14 olympus f2.8 with the blackmagic 4k?
To use the Sigma lens, do you need an adapter?
what are the differences between the first two cameras?
Do you know of any issues with the 20mm f/1.7 on the BMPCC 4k? I already have that lens. CAF doesn't really work, but CAF doesn't really work with any lens on this camera.
hello can the camera work with like nikon 50 mm lens , i have a 50 and a bunch of other nikon AUTO FOCUS lens can this camera work with those lens
Should I get these or EF lenses with speed boosters?
That is the same question I have.
Did you find anything out?
My go to lens on the P4k is the Sigma 18-35mm. It's sooo awesome with this camera!
I thought about making the switch to only ef lenses so I can use my adapter support bracket for my cage all the time.
On the other side I would love to use AF and OIS.
This 35-100mm looks very, very interesting for me! Such a focal range and OIS in such a 'cheap and small' lens....... Looks like I should get one.
I also see using the Sigma on this camera but with the metabones adapter I showed in my previous video.
@@TomAntos
Wll I have Olympus 12-40mm 2.8 but I am thinking to get sigma 18-35mm with viltrox vooster. is it woth it?
How do you handle focus racking with these?
How do you maintain colors and video quality from ProRes 422 to H.264 in Davinci Resolve 15? What's the best practice?
What about Olympus 12-40MM Perfect range?
Steven Gergi no, worse aperture
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Yes I totally Agree with you for some reason aperture is not good at all on this lens.
What is the aperture like for the 12-100mm?
The Olympus PRO lenses have clutch MF which is handy (even Panasonic thought it was a good idea, and added it to their S PRO "Certified by LEICA" lenses for L.)
Would you say the Sigma 16mm f1,4 is a good choice for short filmmaking?
great stuff, thank you for info.
I love the 7.5 mm Venus lens. But BMMCC has a smaller sensor, and so bigger crop, than BMPCC4K and so it is not so wide anymore.
will those lenses work with the blackmagic production camera 4k
would the 7.5mm be good for the p4k 120fps and its massive crop?? or maybe too soft?
OK. I'm picking the 25mm 1.7. Thank you💐
I cannot wait for that giant Panasonic 10-25 f/1.7 zoom. I know it'll be expensive, I know it'll be heavy, but it really will be the only lens you need as a filmmaker for most uses, with maybe one of the Voigtlander, Pana/Leica or Oly 42/45 primes to round out the focal ranges.
I must admit, I love the Voigtlander primes myself. Nothing touches them for build quality and the smooth focus ring, plus the aperture that can be de-clicked with a button, are tailor made for video work. I feel like the 0.95 is there as a just in case, and they're great from about 1.2 or 1.4.
thanks
12-35 2.8 - would you still pick that, over the Sigma 18-35+ Speed booster?
Is it a bad idea to use Full Frame lenses (EF mount) for Blackmagic 4K (w/metabones adapter)?
Are you comfortable racking focus from A to B on the lumix lenses?
Nope. I do it sometimes when I have to but most of the time I prefer manual cinema glass for that
@@TomAntos Then why recommend this knowing that it is wrong even for beginners.
Thank you. Keep up the great work. Your comment is very informative and gives very practical advice!
First I want to say that I love your videos very good stuff congrats. I need some help here I shoot music videos ( I had a Sony a6300 and some Sony lenses ) but I want to upgrade and switch to Blackmagic, I am waiting for my bmpcc4k (already buy it ) but I still don t know which lenses I should buy? Lumix lenses ? (12-35 f 2.8) or Meike Cine lens 25mm T2.2 and 16mm T2.2 for a start? How many LP6 will I need? I am thinking to shoot in braw 12:1 or 8:1 or you think I might use other format to shoot music videos? To shoot Braw do I need an ssd or It work with an sd card ( I have a sandisk 64gb sdxc 95mb extreme pro v30 U3 10). Can you please give me some advice, what should I do to have a great sistem (lenses, sd or ssd , batteries) with the bmpcc4k without breaking the bank I have a small budget. Thank you in advance
All the information is here: tomantosfilms.com/18930/everything-about-pocket-4k/
Tom Antos thank you I will see all your information. Have you try the Meike Cine lenses?( 25mm t2.2 and 16mm t2.2) for now but I heard that they are going to do more do you think it could be a good option?
@@jorgemonteiro5379 I'm also considering these cine lenses too and apparently the full set will be available by dec 2019 (ie 35,50,85) and the 12mm available aug 2019.
Stephen Smart I received the 16mm today just have it o few momentos in hands and it feels great but the sistem will be quickly heavy I buy a cage ssd an plate for batter and it will be a little heavy, I think you gonna love the lens it s easy to focus manually with it
Weird to call the BMPCC4K small or little. Light perhaps but its huge compared to most DSLRs.
If you are focussing on shooting with prime lenses you learn a lot about the specific focal length, while a lot of times when you are using the Zooms you become a little lazy and you aren't learning as much, as you could
I plan to buy a lens, but there’s only enough money for two lenses. Which ones do you advise me to buy in the first place?
A speedbooster and as many FD lenses as you can afford. BMPCC 4K with FD lenses is incredible.
Dumb questions: Forgive; I have Venus you show as well as the Lumix G 25mm 1.7 ( you show I think ) I just can not get a decent image, dull , distorted, weird colors at times.. Could someone give exact settings on 2019 BMPCC4K. to get something close to a normal image.....I do not even record. The image off. Blessings.....
Where I can buy new bmpcc 4k
Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K is available right now here:
B&H bhpho.to/2r87V2O
Amazon amzn.to/2T1YFJU
Adorama bit.ly/2JNJobr
eBay ebay.to/2ATt1XM
I think he forgot the Olympus 12-40! Probably the best lens for the pocket 4K! Yes i did use the panasonic 12-35. If u think of using a Wireless FF u will not be able to use it on the panasonic 12-35 cause its focus by wire.
I'd say better than 12-35 mainly for NOT being focus by wire. So yeah, Oly 12-40 is a better choice.
Generally, I enjoy and agree with your videos and they often help me decide which pieces to buy to kit out my PCC4K. But this video, I have some argument with. For m43 systems, yes, I'd say that this lens lineup is pretty great and covers anything you'd need, but for the PCC4K, not so much. The Olympus 75-300 is largely unusable for this camera and any film making you'd want it for. For wildlife photography, sure. But the lack of I.S. requires a beefy tripod and mount to get anything remotely usable with it.
And then you talk a lot about how the Lumix lenses have autofocus so that's better than the others. But the PCC4K doesn't have continuous auto focus, so for me, a REAL focus ring over that dumb focus-by-wire junk seems to be more usable for this particular camera. And that's why I was surprised that the Olympus 12-40 didn't make your top 5. That lens is extremely sharp and has an option to use a mechanical focus ring, or snap to focus by wire if you wanted that. The only thing it lacks is I.S., but at $650 new (*when I bought it), it was a steal compared to the Lumix.
The Laowa is a lens that almost defies physics, and I find myself using it often on a gimbal. One good thing to come from this video is that I'll steer clear of that Voigtlander. What's the point of f/0.95 if you really won't ever use it since it's so soft.
One last thing. Your battery door. Do you have issues with it staying closed?? I did too. Any time I squeezed the grip, like... picking it up, the door would pop open. But I contacted BlackMagic and they sent me a replacement door and now it stays firmly closed all the time.
for the pocket 4 k i have been using oly 12-100 f4 and quite pleased with it, manual focus clutch ok but prefer fully manual lenses like i use for pocket original.....3 manual nikkor primes (20, 50, 105 micro) with speedbooster.
pandanus creek films F4 is terrible
Hi Eric Zhao, The oly 12-100 f4.0 is the slowest lens I have ever owned. It has been great during the day on the pocket 4k (use a tiffen vari ND) and for the sort of work I do i would need some lighting at night anyway, it is the only lens i have with IS that I would very occasionally think to use, in a quick grab for the camera, usually I just use a tripod and am happy to do so. As for the bokeh, if you go onto my channel and look at the "frogmouths" video it was shot entirely on bmpcc 4k and the oly 12-100 f4.0 and I was very pleased with the outcome. But completely understand if this lens would not or may not suit your filming purposes. All the best. @@ericcoen8894
Are this good lens for narrative films?
14-42 g Lumia lens do you recamend
Thank you Tom! Love ur videos! I know now Wich lenses to buy! Waiting on the 12-35 as first lens! And the 25mm ur right 1.7 at so cheap Im buying that to tomorrow lol ! I was think about them two but started with wide and Lens IS! Thanks
Great combo with just those two lenses.
Tom Antos Hey Tom, I’m on a budget and looking to do narrative, do you think this combo (12-35/25mm1.7) would work for narrative. Only issue is the manual focus, but I can’t justify spending more on Cine lenses. Sigma 18-35 would be an option, but is just not that logistical for any non narrative projects I do. The lumix IS is too good to do away with..
George Stanley how did it work out?? Are you happy with it?
I have the PANASONIC LUMIX G II Lens, 20MM, F1.7 for my G85 which I use when I want to be very stealth and discrete or traveling light. Excellent lens, small, compact, great quality, very sharp. I can not recommend it enough just get the lens hood to reduce flairs.
Thanks for the tip
what is the prices for the lenses
Please check the links in the description for the prices. Sometimes prices change with time plus depends where you buy it from.
Have anyone tried Panasonic 42.5mm f1.7 with bmpcc4k? I read that there are some electronic bugs related to focus, but there isnt much info around...
CINEYTAL Yes’m i have it, and its making problems. AF is real fast, but sometimes is going crazy. But the biggest problem is with small vibrations, it’s stops after you turn off stabilization. The same lanes works great with GH5 and E-M10 III.
@@miket8427 i ordered, filmed a wedding with it and returned it...
Quality is very good, but focus ring is not precise at all, stabilization is working when it wants too...
Not for me, I've got a Meike 35 cinelens instead. So happy with it
@@martagalanoficial For wedding i'm just use in 90% of the time Lumix 12-35, and also happy with it :-) The same for my youtube tech chanel: th-cam.com/channels/Ue2EOLg-MFXsOZ5NScNvag.htmlvideos
@@miket8427 lens isnt bad at all, but the focus ring is not suitable for my way of shooting.
@@martagalanoficial everyone goes hers own way :)
Sigma has a better look imo to Panasonic and even though the depth of field of 2.8 to 1.7 isn’t that different, that’s a fair amount more light and in truly low light environments is warranted.
My god dude close that battery hatch
10:25 "...a little bit sharper..." Eh? I realise that the lower-res of 4K video makes it less material, however, this particular prime is known for being sharp: "...and by f/2.8 you get 90.2 lpmm, practically brushing against the official record..."
www.lenstip.com/522.4-Lens_review-Sigma_C_16_mm_f_1.4_DC_DN_Image_resolution.html
Though the zoom gets close stopped down "...by that f/4.0 we get MTFs as high as 80 lpmm..." (~83-85lpmm on the newer sensor)
www.lenstip.com/367.4-Lens_review-Panasonic_G_X_VARIO_12-35_mm_f_2.8_ASPH._P.O.I.S_Image_resolution.html
Why do you discard the voigtlander? IMHO it got a beautiful image
It's personal opinion. Personally I didn't like it that much
Shooting at 0.95 doesn't appeal to everyone, the DOF is razor thin so you have to nail it, a lot of people want sharpness and 0.95 won't give you sharpness, if you want character in your shots then its perfect along with vintage lenses but for the majority it's all about sharpness
But you don't need to shoot at 0.95, in fact almost any lens is sharp at full open.
@@spikespiegel5569 if he's not using the 0.95 then he would just use the lumix 25mm and not need the nokton, don't get me wrong I can't wait to buy a full set of noktons for mine but they're not for everyone
TheOzTurkish That’s true to a degree, but even at the same focal length of say 1.7, the Voigtlander will still have more character
I can spot the laowa 7.5 from a mile away.
Why is your camera cage bent?
Good choice.
the problem i have is shooting indoors adjusting and all variations alot sudeenly outside then completelly bright natural setting then completely dark ...all using one lense ......thats where i want something
hell yea
What are you doing here? Disliked.
Its still unobtainable in Australia :(
Paul Riggs And Canada, and US.
small camera like this ? the bmpcc4k is bigger than most hybrid mirrorless cameras including the FF
amanieux it is a cinema camera, so yess it’s small
@@mattnev8625 "small for a cinema camera" got it. it will be interesting to see what happens to the cinema camera market when mirrorless cameras capture raw. i guess cinema camera will become smaller and most pro tools such as vectorscope will go on a computer, camera will send raw image wirelessly and everything will be done on a laptop
Thanks good lens overview.
The 25mm is not smooth. WIth this camera you need stabilization on it all in my opinion.I have a gimbal on this camera and its not smooth at all with CINE lens. Great video though, I will try the 12-35.
You're not gonna see that much of a difference between f1.4 and f2.8?
He must not shoot in low light a lot. You can definitely tell the DOF difference between 1.4 and 2.8 though, but again depends on the shot. Seem's like Tom likes smaller lenses, which makes sense as its one of the attractions of shooting M43.
"There is this lens, but don't buy it it's shit. This one... don't buy it either. And this one is useless don't buy it."
OH THANX FOR THESE AMAZING ADVICES Tom xD
Lol it's funny how when I do a video where I show things I only like people complain that I never say anything bad about any product. I tell them it's because I don't have time to do a video just about things I don't like so I talk about things I do recommend. In this video I try to just show all the lenses I used with this camera and which lenses I did end up using and liking and which ones I didnt like and why. Anyway glad you like the video and my advice 😉 now if you want go and buy all the lenses or don't buy any.
18-35mm is the best for that camera
I Rent next month the 12-35mm and the 35-100mm for a dubai trip i own the 25mm
That will be a nice set of lenses
@@TomAntos i wish i can film with the bmpcc but my gh4 still can do a greate job and whats really matters are the shots i can make and the editing to tell a greate story about my week in dubai
packet?
Hi Tom, you recommend the 12-35mm Panasonic lens, but there seems to be a lot of videos and posts relating to the distortion. Max Yuryev on his channel shows some pretty alarming results. th-cam.com/video/C3wo7wCR7Ac/w-d-xo.html Have you experienced this issue and if so, how do you correct for it. Thanks
I’ve heard great things about Olympus 75mm? No love?
Sorry but there's only so many lenses I can buy and try out... if I get a chance to use the 75mm then I'll sure post about it. Thnx!
LUMIX is focus by wire and I’ve heard nothing but bad things about that... what’s your experience?
Wouldn’t the Sigma art 50-100 be far superior? - I’m referring to image quality only.
I second this. I am surprised even he is recommending this lens for this camera. It's great for continuous AF supporting cameras. Why recommend it on full manual?
Panasonic 12-35 over the Sigma 18-35 with speedbooster?
If you want a small setup then yes but if size n weight does not matter but you want a faster lens then go with Sigma n speed booster
I just hope m43 doesn't go away
SHARP just joined m4/3 so they can have an 8K ready for the Olympics: www.olympus-global.com/news/2019/contents/nr01198/nr01198_00001.pdf
Im selling a Voightlander 25mm f0.95
Olympus lenses are much better than Panasonic crap.