I've installed and serviced Radiant and unit heaters, as a commercial HVAC technician. On Radiant heaters, though more efficient on the gas use. I prefer a Hanging unit heater. The fan/ Heat exchanger will not get clogged as mentioned, not going to happen, ever. Dust will accumulate on the heat exchanger surface that's about it. blow it off in the fall and turn that sucker on and enjoy. Working under and around radiant heaters in a garage setting with high ceilings.. those guys suffer with the bays even slightly open.
We installed a Mitsubishi Mini-split in our garage several years ago, air conditioned and dehumidifier and , wow, a heater. Low humidity in the heat of summer in Florida. Operating costs at a minimum. Be sure to insulate the door and ceiling. I give it a three thumbs up. 👍👍👍. 12-19-21
Heated floors, wow. I have not heard this since I was about 10 years old living at home with my parents and my dad installed water heated pipes in the basement in Illinois, Chicago area. That was 68 years ago. The absolute best heat and it never caught on, never. As I said, wow.
I ran a gas line, 2 electrical circuits and installed a gas furnace and central air conditioner in my garage 15 years ago. a little pricey but never regretted it. makes working out there enjoyable.
I think the lag bolt threads were still in tact, but he stripped the wood or drywall out because he missed the stud. Not sure why you would have used a bolt that large and a torque gun anyway. That's asking for trouble.
Woodstove for me. Have place to heat a pot of coffee. A lot less expense than gas, propane, or electric. Also gives a place to burn up unwanted scrap. But then again I have a lot of scrap from remodeling and framing jobs. I don't know, just a better heat in my opinion.
@@ervinlosha1333 Smoke from a wood stove vs vehicles,now that would be an interesting comparison. I think I would still stick with the woodstove as well.
Atta boy Richard. Infrared Heat is the bomb. Once the shop warms up it will last for hours as all the heat radiates back into the space from all objects that picked up the heat. Unlike forced air which just drifts away. HVAC contractor here.
I have a MR Heater gas forced air unit that hangs from the ceiling with vent out the roof. You get very dry heat with no gas fumes, and heats much faster, and equally throughout the garage. Even on a 20 degree day, my garage is warmed up to 65 in 15 minutes. I also lack insulation on my garage door and roof. The heater installed here is more of a spot heater, good for warehouse doors.
I use a blue flame heater in my garage. Wall hung, self contained unit. No power needed, and have used it in the winter during a power outage. Natural gas appliances will process the air, so if you stain/paint anything, the smell does get amplified. I don't work with gasoline in the garage, so I'm fine with an open flame.
It is critical that the flame source be at least 18 inches off the floor to prevent FIRES, according to our Fire Dept! That's why Insurance Companies don't like them! We have all seen floor heaters (kerosene/Diesel/Propane/Potbelly Stove etc) used to heat garages. Once I learned this I threw our Kerosene Heater in the Garbage that night and replaced it with a Wall Mounted Infrared Natural Gas Heater, the best move I ever made. That Heater has been in four different houses and was converted to propane because our current house doesn't have NG in the garage. Now after 15 years I replace it with a new Infrared Propane Heater. I highly recommend them.
My HVAC sub made same recommendation for my professional woodworking shop. Be careful of proximity and directional orientation of radiant source to wooden workpieces. Intense heat can quickly warp wood when one surface absorbs the radiant heat directly. I ended up switching to unit heater. Expensive mistake.
Agreed. I was a commercial HVAC technician for over 15 years, and serviced many different kinds of radiant and hanging heaters. Unit heater is the way to go. Especially in a shop that big . I have a small garage/Workshop and would never hang a radiant heater, ever. Got a small Modine i pulled from a small job and my garage = awesome.
@@michael.schuler Most definitely. Super efficient. Prices for ductless mini-splits in north america leave a little bit to be desired. but hands down cost per BTU is phenomenal.
In the midwest (missouri) natural gas is supplied to residential properties at high pressure. The gas goes through the meter and then is regulated down to just 3-4#'s of pressure. If there is any distance between the separate garage and home, there will not be enough pressure to fire that heater or a furnace. Check your local gas supplier.
As do I. I placed a fan to blow across the exhaust pipe below the choke plate. Barely any coals, 18℉ outside, too warm inside. I also have a small AC unit close to where I do most of my work to keep me comfortable during the summers. Correct, I am a wimpy old man.
That's not the point of the video but if left on continuously with the thermostat it probably can take the chill off enough to work in there especially if the walls and ceiling are insulated and the sale on the garage door are working well
Split system heat pump with 96% gas furnace. Heat pump at temps above 30+- degrees. Gas furnace below 30. A/C In summer! Initial cost is a little higher, but worth it. 96% furnace has sealed combustion.
Your talking about a heater that only heats objects. I bought a radiant heater and mounted it above my workbench where I sit most of the time to tinker. They are hard to regulate and they only heated whatever was in front of it. As soon as I walked away from the bench I was cold again. Mine is electric and not gas as is in this video. I got rid of that heart when I built a free standing shop behind my garage and installed a ''ggarage, /workshop heater. It is electric and I pan to only use it until the wood stove gets up to the right temperature.
Robert Amos IV Not quite. The temperature gradient in the room will be more uniform with the heat radiated from the floor rather than to the floor. as any objects between the radiant heater and the floor will absorb the heat making the floor temp nonuniform. For new construction, I would definitely go with pex in the slab. However, that is not an easy retrofit.
I said same goal. Heating objects also radiates heat. If you want to get fully technical, heating the top of woodworking equipment might actually do better if you use the shop for limited hours because heating the floor would take a long time to get the equipment heated up so the occupants actually felt that heat. If it was running 24/7 sure, but I would assume this is a part time operation.
One or two electric floor plug in convection heaters would, to me, be the better option. Eliminates need for pipe work and vent work. Insulating above attic is key of course.
If you have the circuits for it. One convection heater will usually fully load a 15A circuit (with some safety margin of course), so you basically need 2 dedicated circuits.
My neighbor made a wood heater out of an old oil drum...thing gets mega hot! Glowing red! ...Outside its 4 degrees. Inside its 75 degrees!!! NO insulation.
I love that your protection while using a cordless drill OSHA would be so proud. Also this guy needs to upgrade torque screws then he doesn’t need to double tap this work
I wonder how this worked out. Is the entire shop heated evenly? For some reason I'm thinking NO. When you see these there are generally at least a couple of them, not just one for a space that large. I'm skeptical.
In my 1,000 sqft detached shop, 30,000 btu is not enough. I have a convection type Mr. Heater propane wall mount unit and it runs all day long. The shop is not insulated so that would help.
These types of Heaters are Space Heaters like in Home Depots over the Registers.. This Will Not Heat That Garage.. he should of installed a Low BTU Boiler and ran Flex to Duct Work and ran a Couple Runs of Flex and Registers. but what do i know i only did HVAC For 10 years. this is a waste of time and money.
@@Dominick_Calvitto. that's incorrect and i say this from first hand experience. I had an HVAC guy install the same exact unit installed in my attached, finished and oversize garage that was 31x28 with 11' ceilings in Kansas. Kept my garage at 68-70 all winter long with zero issues and was a nice even heat across the whole garage. And no, it didn't run all day long to maintain that temperature either. Zero condensation anywhere and no fumes. Worked amazing.
Very disappointed with TOH on this one. I live between Akron and Cleveland, and several years ago I made the mistake of installing one of these unvented gas heaters in my garage workshop. The moisture it created was devastating to my tools. That small vent installed in the workshop will not solve the moisture problem. A vented radiant tube heater would have been a much better option.
That little heater will be slow to heat the shop. I live in the same climate zone and use a 110KBTU kerosene jet heater in a 2.5 car uninsulated shop. Even in subzero temps in half an hour everything is toasty. I wired in a thermostat and it only runs 5 mins every half hour after that initial warming period.
@@AngelousSpike As far as I know there is an open flame covering the perforated surface of the ceramic element. I highly doubt the gas heating of that element (by open flame) can convert 100% to infrared. Much of the gas exhaust is hot carbon dioxide air and water vapor, mixing and heating the surrounding air. Radiant tube heaters efficiency is only 60%, I could not find the numbers for ceramic heaters.
@@marijak3267 Doubt no more, my friend! Infrared heat is also known as 'Radiant heat'. The flame you mention heats the ceramic upp and since the ceramic isn't combustable - the only way for it to lose all the heat it's receiving is to radiate it outward in all directions. The energy frequensies emitted by the photons leaving the ceramic surface is basically "only" within the infrared spectrum. Pardon my bordom inducing rant, hehe. That being said - I still don't think that this type of heater is a good longterm solution do to the ease of condensation along the border of the rays, where hot meets cold. The installation was also sloppy. I mean - why didn't they just extend the plywood another 8 inches or so, still leaving a big air gap, and try to hide those hideous thing-a-majiggs behind that? I know that this is "just" a 'shop, and they probably just wanted to knock this out fast. But when you're making instructional videos that gets hundreds of thousands of views - shouldn't you strive to go that extra... Inch?
@@gustavlarsson7494 Off course this is what I meant; radiant heat. But the element won't 100% convert the convective heat (from burning gas) to radiant heat. I was trying to explain that towards the previous comment, this heater does warm the air, not just surfaces through radiant heat.
My garage/workshop is an old (1940's) cinderblock affair with an ill fitting uninsulated thin aluminum door. About the only way to heat it comfortably is using a loud 85,000 BTU salamander type heater which will keep it toasty as long as it's running, but will cool back down to frigid 5 minutes after I shut it off. That gas thing looks like it'd be good for an insulated garage, but I doubt it would do much for mine.
So many people asking what size heater they need or how much does it cost to operate. The size depends on how big the garage is and the type of construction and your local weather. That's the stuff you can figure out with the aid of Google. After that the cost to operate will be based on how long it runs. BTUs can be converted directly to fuel consumption, then calculated to $$ based on your local fuel costs.... on a per hour basis. Hint: BTU rating is based on BTUs per hour. Pretty simple, eh?
Natural gas and propane emit water as one of their by-products of burning. You need to vent that moist air out if possible and you also need to admit a little combustion air so you don't deplete all the oxygen in the room.
I live in the winters where it gets 25 to 28ﾟ I use a oil heater from home depot is home depot it cost a $120 I plug it into the wall bam bam job done my garage never gets below 65 degrees
I've owned a Enerco garage heater I purchased in 1993. Very easy to install and operate. Been a wonderful and reliable heater. After all these years of use it's is in need is a new control module. Any one knowing where to get one please reply. Thanks
For some reason the manual calls for the tstat to be below the heater. And the supplied tstat wire isn't very long. I've heard you could use a different thermostat though if you want
I see a fire hazard with sawdust in the air. A boiler outside the room and either baseboard hot water heat or forced air over the hot water heat exchanger.
Too close and the thing will never run, too far and it will always run. Best to have it somewhere midway in similar proximity to the main workspace distance. Also, that heater looked rather small for that two car garage considering that it is coming from above where the majority of heat will stay.
Since it’s a radiant heater, heat should not come directly to the t stat right away. It will warm the objects first, then it will heat the air from those objects until the room is totally warmed. Actually smart of him to place it there.
Not sure why you would put the thermostat that close to the unit heater - going to be cold on the other side of the garage all the time, since it 's registering the heat from just a few feet away.
I was told that gas fumes from mowers & gas cans are low to the ground. Heaters up high eliminates the chance of flame from heater being ignited by gas fumes.
I'm not sure why heaters are suddenly being installed up on ceilings. My preference is for oil filled electric heaters, not very efficient but in a workshop the safest.
@@killingoldgrowthsince I doubt it, lots of pukes out there with similar aspirations. Mostly lowlifes with beer guts who could not get out of there own way if it was life or death. Mid fifties, wanna be woodworkers. Pukes! Know what I mean.
2 degrees Celsius in the winter for where I live is a nice warm spring day! Winters in Cobden, Ontario, Canada get down to -40 C easily, that heater is not nearly enough!
yeah he makes it look easy... 5 minute install too...i don;t know how he got all those fancy corner woodwork and brackets done. Thermostat was two screws seamless...must have be RF with batteries...lol
My question is. Looked like he used homeflex gas pipe that Home Depot sells. It is also called CSST (corrugated stainless steel tubing) pipe. Did he bond it or ground it to the electrical panel. That is now code across the country. Thats to avoid pin holes in case of lightening strike in the area. Lightening strikes could cause small pin holes and cause leaks which lead to 💥💥. And I'm assuming Richard realizes how bad that is seeing as how an entire neighborhood blew up in Massachusetts due to faulty gas equipment and pressure increases.
@@SkremoMcThrftsto I have been a HVAC/R contractor for 35 years. For four of those years I taught a heat pump class at a local tech school. The balance point is 35. Below that you will need supplemental heat. The heat of compression doesn't change with variable speed. There just isn't enough heat in the air below that temp to make it efficient to run. So explain to me exactly what you are talking about.
Average winter temp. in Akron is a few degrees above and below freezing. So not really all that cold so this might do the job. Where I live you this would probably heat a tiny shack. Strangely most of all the commercial warehouse garages etc here have large natural gas fan-driven heaters that are noticeably noisy when the unit starts a heating cycle. They are slightly larger than a small fridge but if it ever fell on someone it would kill them. The upside of these Infrared units is that they heat the floor or whatever they are pointed at which then heats the air above it. Plus apparently, they are dramatically more efficient up to 75% more.
That's great they dont show the installing pipes I think it's more important to show where and how to secure and that thermostat is perfect where it is under the heat
Any ideas from anyone if someone hasn't been able to get heat , electric assistance , or any plans at all ? What does the expert Richard recommend for solution? Since people are claiming the state I live in is home base :) I'm sure I could be the odd ball and get some type of heat without a issue .
Great if you run this 24x7, but if like other folks who are only going to run it once a while,. this thing will never heat up the garage to the point of being usable on a typical cold winter day. Far better off just running a propane blast heater by cracking the door open a bit to get the ambient temps to where they need to be , then using one or two regular electric portable heaters to maintain.
Never use a tubing cutter to remove plastic wrap. Use a knife at an angle. Even the slightest score in the copper (especially if it's continuous all the way around) will weaken it to the point where it could easily separate under minimal stress, and leak.
have to ask is this safe with gas in and around that area and can you use a propane one .I have an unfinished basement that I would like to heat to hopefully warm up the house above also .I keep my ride in mowers in my basement for now ,but planning on buying them a new home .I am in southside VA and had new lennox dual stage heat pump put in 16seer ,but house is still chilly .My walls are 2x6 and floors are insulated .
Oil-filled stand alone radiators ( electric ) never get hot enough to combust anything, and provide both convection and radiation heat. Quiet. And they are cheap, like $30 or so from your typical big box store.
I've installed and serviced Radiant and unit heaters, as a commercial HVAC technician. On Radiant heaters, though more efficient on the gas use. I prefer a Hanging unit heater. The fan/ Heat exchanger will not get clogged as mentioned, not going to happen, ever. Dust will accumulate on the heat exchanger surface that's about it. blow it off in the fall and turn that sucker on and enjoy. Working under and around radiant heaters in a garage setting with high ceilings.. those guys suffer with the bays even slightly open.
We installed a Mitsubishi Mini-split in our garage several years ago, air conditioned and dehumidifier and , wow, a heater. Low humidity in the heat of summer in Florida. Operating costs at a minimum. Be sure to insulate the door and ceiling. I give it a three thumbs up. 👍👍👍. 12-19-21
I was in a mechanic’s 4 car shop today. It had heated floors. It is the best heat ever. Even and nice heat.
Heated floors, wow. I have not heard this since I was about 10 years old living at home with my parents and my dad installed water heated pipes in the basement in Illinois, Chicago area. That was 68 years ago. The absolute best heat and it never caught on, never. As I said, wow.
@wheelie642 when your feet are warm its all good,
I ran a gas line, 2 electrical circuits and installed a gas furnace and central air conditioner in my garage 15 years ago. a little pricey but never regretted it. makes working out there enjoyable.
@2:40 - the official motion of "that baby isn't going anywhere."
He stripped the bolt...
I think the lag bolt threads were still in tact, but he stripped the wood or drywall out because he missed the stud. Not sure why you would have used a bolt that large and a torque gun anyway. That's asking for trouble.
you can also do a heat pump for the garage and just tape a pre-filter with filter material roll on the exterior of the intake vent
Woodstove for me. Have place to heat a pot of coffee. A lot less expense than gas, propane, or electric. Also gives a place to burn up unwanted scrap. But then again I have a lot of scrap from remodeling and framing jobs. I don't know, just a better heat in my opinion.
Hopefully you live in the middle of the woods otherwise your neighbors are breathing smoke
When you own a forest, wood is free!
Smart
@@ervinlosha1333 Smoke from a wood stove vs vehicles,now that would be an interesting comparison. I think I would still stick with the woodstove as well.
Many insurance companies will not insure a building with any type of solid fuel heater.
Atta boy Richard. Infrared Heat is the bomb. Once the shop warms up it will last for hours as all the heat radiates back into the space from all objects that picked up the heat. Unlike forced air which just drifts away. HVAC contractor here.
I have a MR Heater gas forced air unit that hangs from the ceiling with vent out the roof. You get very dry heat with no gas fumes, and heats much faster, and equally throughout the garage. Even on a 20 degree day, my garage is warmed up to 65 in 15 minutes. I also lack insulation on my garage door and roof. The heater installed here is more of a spot heater, good for warehouse doors.
Double tap everything to make sure it’s all solid
Issac Charlton hehehe
I call that the 5lb Knock Knock Test!
"That's not going anywhere!"
I have a wood pellet stove and two 5KW heaters in my 1500 sq ft shop. Live at 6500 ft elevation in the mountains. Works pretty well
no one cares
@@Fattony6666 apparently you do. Took the time to read the comment and respond
You need a better pellet stove if you need more heaters to heat 1,500 sqft even in the mountains.
I use a blue flame heater in my garage. Wall hung, self contained unit. No power needed, and have used it in the winter during a power outage. Natural gas appliances will process the air, so if you stain/paint anything, the smell does get amplified. I don't work with gasoline in the garage, so I'm fine with an open flame.
It is critical that the flame source be at least 18 inches off the floor to prevent FIRES, according to our Fire Dept! That's why Insurance Companies don't like them! We have all seen floor heaters (kerosene/Diesel/Propane/Potbelly Stove etc) used to heat garages. Once I learned this I threw our Kerosene Heater in the Garbage that night and replaced it with a Wall Mounted Infrared Natural Gas Heater, the best move I ever made. That Heater has been in four different houses and was converted to propane because our current house doesn't have NG in the garage. Now after 15 years I replace it with a new Infrared Propane Heater. I highly recommend them.
Do you trust the radiant heater to run while you sleep? Or just when you are using the garage?
My HVAC sub made same recommendation for my professional woodworking shop. Be careful of proximity and directional orientation of radiant source to wooden workpieces. Intense heat can quickly warp wood when one surface absorbs the radiant heat directly. I ended up switching to unit heater. Expensive mistake.
Agreed. I was a commercial HVAC technician for over 15 years, and serviced many different kinds of radiant and hanging heaters. Unit heater is the way to go. Especially in a shop that big . I have a small garage/Workshop and would never hang a radiant heater, ever. Got a small Modine i pulled from a small job and my garage = awesome.
@@MrEarbuckets If you were asked about year round climate control for a well insulated 1000 sf garage shop today, would you recommend mini-split?
@@michael.schuler Most definitely. Super efficient. Prices for ductless mini-splits in north america leave a little bit to be desired. but hands down cost per BTU is phenomenal.
Very nice it's great to see you guys are in Ohio because we are in Cleveland Ohio. Thanks for making another great video
Homemade outdoor wood fired furnace is the way to go
best part was when he felt that sharp screw sticking out the back and after putting the bracket on and didn't think twice about it 3:14
Chris He gave it the double tap of approval
proper pipe dope for gas piping is colored yellow.
In the midwest (missouri) natural gas is supplied to residential properties at high pressure. The gas goes through the meter and then is regulated down to just 3-4#'s of pressure. If there is any distance between the separate garage and home, there will not be enough pressure to fire that heater or a furnace. Check your local gas supplier.
We use a potbelly stove feed with scrap wood
As do I. I placed a fan to blow across the exhaust pipe below the choke plate. Barely any coals, 18℉ outside, too warm inside. I also have a small AC unit close to where I do most of my work to keep me comfortable during the summers.
Correct, I am a wimpy old man.
So do I!
That small unit won't heat that space.
And when you run low on scrap wood you have to work faster on projects...just to survive.
I eat a potbelly pig and feed the cats the scraps
That's not the point of the video but if left on continuously with the thermostat it probably can take the chill off enough to work in there especially if the walls and ceiling are insulated and the sale on the garage door are working well
Split system heat pump with 96% gas furnace. Heat pump at temps above 30+- degrees. Gas furnace below 30. A/C In summer! Initial cost is a little higher, but worth it. 96% furnace has sealed combustion.
Your talking about a heater that only heats objects. I bought a radiant heater and mounted it above my workbench where I sit most of the time to tinker. They are hard to regulate and they only heated whatever was in front of it. As soon as I walked away from the bench I was cold again. Mine is electric and not gas as is in this video. I got rid of that heart when I built a free standing shop behind my garage and installed a ''ggarage, /workshop heater. It is electric and I pan to only use it until the wood stove gets up to the right temperature.
I want one! A garage that is, so I can heat it.
It's a garage, who cares about looks.
we use an industrial size propane burner for our garage workshop and a small woodstove.
This is a good retrofit solution. The smart solution is to place pex tubing in your slab when it is poured. That is far and away the best shop heat.
It achieves the same goal, heating the concrete without wasting energy heating the air.
Robert Amos IV Not quite. The temperature gradient in the room will be more uniform with the heat radiated from the floor rather than to the floor. as any objects between the radiant heater and the floor will absorb the heat making the floor temp nonuniform. For new construction, I would definitely go with pex in the slab. However, that is not an easy retrofit.
I said same goal. Heating objects also radiates heat. If you want to get fully technical, heating the top of woodworking equipment might actually do better if you use the shop for limited hours because heating the floor would take a long time to get the equipment heated up so the occupants actually felt that heat. If it was running 24/7 sure, but I would assume this is a part time operation.
Robert Amos IV You can’t beat warm feet! 😁
@@LTVoyager you can if you cant get them to the heat under a table saw!
I use the same heaters and have for years up hear around Cleveland. They're definitely the most efficient and convenient for ohio winters.
What's the cost for this? This is more for attached garages, right?
One or two electric floor plug in convection heaters would, to me, be the better option. Eliminates need for pipe work and vent work. Insulating above attic is key of course.
If you have the circuits for it. One convection heater will usually fully load a 15A circuit (with some safety margin of course), so you basically need 2 dedicated circuits.
@William Murray Top 10 on the list of things I will never care about: Having heat in a garage workshop with no electricity to run tools or lights.
@William Murray who gives a crap about losing heat in a garage if you have no power???
My neighbor made a wood heater out of an old oil drum...thing gets mega hot! Glowing red! ...Outside its 4 degrees. Inside its 75 degrees!!! NO insulation.
The answer to his question at 2:13 Ahhhhh here we go, right next to the chemical cabinet. 🤣
😂😂😂
I love that your protection while using a cordless drill OSHA would be so proud. Also this guy needs to upgrade torque screws then he doesn’t need to double tap this work
Open flame + sawdust = BOOM !
Nope
I love it when the spouse gives up her car space for the hobby.
I have this heater. And let me tell you it is amazing in the winter.
Any issues with combustion moisture?
May I ask what brand it is?
Bit late hear but who mounts t stat in direct line of heater ?
my only criticism is the downward angle, imo looks steep
You don't want any portion of a radiant heater to be directed at the ceiling. If it is aimed at a ceiling then it's kind of a waste.
And the fact that the thermostat is right next to the heater
@@garrettducat5769 i get that, but it looks like only the area next to the cupboard will get heat
Home owner preference but its adjustable if needed.
@@kalijasin how is it adjustable? look at the mount at 3:28
I wonder how this worked out. Is the entire shop heated evenly? For some reason I'm thinking NO. When you see these there are generally at least a couple of them, not just one for a space that large. I'm skeptical.
In my 1,000 sqft detached shop, 30,000 btu is not enough. I have a convection type Mr. Heater propane wall mount unit and it runs all day long. The shop is not insulated so that would help.
These types of Heaters are Space Heaters like in Home Depots over the Registers.. This Will Not Heat That Garage.. he should of installed a Low BTU Boiler and ran Flex to Duct Work and ran a Couple Runs of Flex and Registers. but what do i know i only did HVAC For 10 years. this is a waste of time and money.
@@Dominick_Calvitto. That is my thought too. They use this style for the outdoor drive through at Chik Filet as well.
@@Dominick_Calvitto. that's incorrect and i say this from first hand experience. I had an HVAC guy install the same exact unit installed in my attached, finished and oversize garage that was 31x28 with 11' ceilings in Kansas. Kept my garage at 68-70 all winter long with zero issues and was a nice even heat across the whole garage. And no, it didn't run all day long to maintain that temperature either. Zero condensation anywhere and no fumes. Worked amazing.
@@JP-ec8feyou didn’t have any issues with condensation?
Very disappointed with TOH on this one. I live between Akron and Cleveland, and several years ago I made the mistake of installing one of these unvented gas heaters in my garage workshop. The moisture it created was devastating to my tools. That small vent installed in the workshop will not solve the moisture problem. A vented radiant tube heater would have been a much better option.
That little heater will be slow to heat the shop. I live in the same climate zone and use a 110KBTU kerosene jet heater in a 2.5 car uninsulated shop. Even in subzero temps in half an hour everything is toasty. I wired in a thermostat and it only runs 5 mins every half hour after that initial warming period.
@@johnpossum556 it doesn't heat the shop air, it heats the tools and objects in the shop and those heat the air.
@@AngelousSpike As far as I know there is an open flame covering the perforated surface of the ceramic element. I highly doubt the gas heating of that element (by open flame) can convert 100% to infrared. Much of the gas exhaust is hot carbon dioxide air and water vapor, mixing and heating the surrounding air. Radiant tube heaters efficiency is only 60%, I could not find the numbers for ceramic heaters.
@@marijak3267 Doubt no more, my friend! Infrared heat is also known as 'Radiant heat'. The flame you mention heats the ceramic upp and since the ceramic isn't combustable - the only way for it to lose all the heat it's receiving is to radiate it outward in all directions. The energy frequensies emitted by the photons leaving the ceramic surface is basically "only" within the infrared spectrum.
Pardon my bordom inducing rant, hehe.
That being said - I still don't think that this type of heater is a good longterm solution do to the ease of condensation along the border of the rays, where hot meets cold.
The installation was also sloppy.
I mean - why didn't they just extend the plywood another 8 inches or so, still leaving a big air gap, and try to hide those hideous thing-a-majiggs behind that? I know that this is "just" a 'shop, and they probably just wanted to knock this out fast. But when you're making instructional videos that gets hundreds of thousands of views - shouldn't you strive to go that extra... Inch?
@@gustavlarsson7494 Off course this is what I meant; radiant heat. But the element won't 100% convert the convective heat (from burning gas) to radiant heat. I was trying to explain that towards the previous comment, this heater does warm the air, not just surfaces through radiant heat.
My garage/workshop is an old (1940's) cinderblock affair with an ill fitting uninsulated thin aluminum door. About the only way to heat it comfortably is using a loud 85,000 BTU salamander type heater which will keep it toasty as long as it's running, but will cool back down to frigid 5 minutes after I shut it off. That gas thing looks like it'd be good for an insulated garage, but I doubt it would do much for mine.
I have a woodworking shop and i installed a ductless heat pump. Works great and hasent changed my electric bill.
has the dust loading up the filter been an issue for you?
I have a few of these in my garage/workshop. It’s don’t seem to be as dry as kerosene heat.
So many people asking what size heater they need or how much does it cost to operate. The size depends on how big the garage is and the type of construction and your local weather. That's the stuff you can figure out with the aid of Google. After that the cost to operate will be based on how long it runs. BTUs can be converted directly to fuel consumption, then calculated to $$ based on your local fuel costs.... on a per hour basis. Hint: BTU rating is based on BTUs per hour. Pretty simple, eh?
In South Carolina you can't do anything in the garage from May to November unless you want to broil.
O-H !! Lol putting an old furnace in my garage shop. Running the gas line and exhausting through an un-used man door.
Can you explain more about the vent that was installed to the outside?
Natural gas and propane emit water as one of their by-products of burning. You need to vent that moist air out if possible and you also need to admit a little combustion air so you don't deplete all the oxygen in the room.
Ok that's badass I'm in akron too so this video is perfect! 😂
I live in the winters where it gets 25 to 28ﾟ I use a oil heater from home depot is home depot it cost a $120 I plug it into the wall bam bam job done my garage never gets below 65 degrees
its been over 2 years. how is it working and how much does it cost to run, and how what size is the shop. sq ft and ht.
I've owned a Enerco garage heater I purchased in 1993. Very easy to install and operate. Been a wonderful and reliable heater. After all these years of use it's is in need is a new control module. Any one knowing where to get one please reply. Thanks
Have you tried Enerco's website? If they don't sell parts there, call them and ask them where they would buy parts when they need them.
Ayyyy akronite here-this is awesome!
Excellent, thanks for sharing with us.👍👍👍👍👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Did I miss something? Why was the thermostat positioned close to the heater.?
For some reason the manual calls for the tstat to be below the heater. And the supplied tstat wire isn't very long. I've heard you could use a different thermostat though if you want
Good morning, thank you for the video, it is great. Would you please include links to the materials needed or at least the names? Thanks!
Edenpure infrared heater with extra electrostatic filter velcroed on back. All i use.
I see a fire hazard with sawdust in the air. A boiler outside the room and either baseboard hot water heat or forced air over the hot water heat exchanger.
Who installs a thermostat right by the heater. Move that thing away.
Too close and the thing will never run, too far and it will always run. Best to have it somewhere midway in similar proximity to the main workspace distance. Also, that heater looked rather small for that two car garage considering that it is coming from above where the majority of heat will stay.
Richard who doesn’t have a clue what he is doing
"This is my impressive workshop i staged to impress this old house. Cars don't come in here for sure." Car oil stains on the floor 😂
@@johnnylawrence "Cars don't come in here for sure." He only said that because the wife wasn't there. ;)
Since it’s a radiant heater, heat should not come directly to the t stat right away. It will warm the objects first, then it will heat the air from those objects until the room is totally warmed. Actually smart of him to place it there.
You showed stuff most folks already know. I want to know how I run gas lines into my neighborhood?
Not sure why you would put the thermostat that close to the unit heater - going to be cold on the other side of the garage all the time, since it 's registering the heat from just a few feet away.
I don’t think Richard knows how to use a drill. Every time he uses one he strips the hell out of the screws lol.
I guess that's why he only used 4.
He's a plumber
That is just how an “Impact Driver” sounds.
@@ileanamorales1384 No that’s a regular drill he’s using
That wasn’t Richard using the drill though
Surprised they didn’t shove festool drills into his hards for the episode. I also wonder if they bothered to properly bond the CSST gas piping
You really wondered all that?
I see a lot of people putting heaters up high up on the ceiling......if hot air rises, why not the floor?
I was told that gas fumes from mowers & gas cans are low to the ground.
Heaters up high eliminates the chance of flame from heater being ignited by gas fumes.
I'm not sure why heaters are suddenly being installed up on ceilings. My preference is for oil filled electric heaters, not very efficient but in a workshop the safest.
How many cordless drills do you really need ? Oh about 5
I've only have 3
And 2 corded LOL
@@jkgkjgkijk thinking he might have a little more on the ball though. 🤠
@@killingoldgrowthsince you think?
@@jkgkjgkijk sure do!
@@killingoldgrowthsince I doubt it, lots of pukes out there with similar aspirations. Mostly lowlifes with beer guts who could not get out of there own way if it was life or death. Mid fifties, wanna be woodworkers. Pukes! Know what I mean.
do you recomend a power vent on opposite end to get rid of moisture
Hi guys, Please tell me, what about fire danger with dust ?? Thanks,
Northeast Ohio represent
This is the first episode that I’ve seen where the home owner was actually able to use a tool
2 degrees Celsius in the winter for where I live is a nice warm spring day! Winters in Cobden, Ontario, Canada get down to -40 C easily, that heater is not nearly enough!
If done properly you heat the floor with the Infrared heater. Make working on cars great.
Radiant heaters are only good if your infront of them. It gets to -40 here get a woodstove
I think I might have considered a mini split instead..
I wonder if I can find this man to learn from. I’m also in Akron Ohio.
Did they mention the BTU of the model they used?
Awesome! Also glad to see you guys making it over to my neck of the woods!
Oil stains on the floor used to be keeping cars in there
Love Richard, never seen an episode where he didn't sweat during an install!
yeah he makes it look easy... 5 minute install too...i don;t know how he got all those fancy corner woodwork and brackets done. Thermostat was two screws seamless...must have be RF with batteries...lol
Well- I have to assume, you are unaware of the miracle , of video editing. ;)
My question is. Looked like he used homeflex gas pipe that Home Depot sells. It is also called CSST (corrugated stainless steel tubing) pipe. Did he bond it or ground it to the electrical panel. That is now code across the country. Thats to avoid pin holes in case of lightening strike in the area. Lightening strikes could cause small pin holes and cause leaks which lead to 💥💥. And I'm assuming Richard realizes how bad that is seeing as how an entire neighborhood blew up in Massachusetts due to faulty gas equipment and pressure increases.
Instead of using the wall bracket, can I use a set of chains to suspend the heater from the ceiling?
Heat pump. More efficient than other options and more green.
Not effective below 35 degrees.
@@MrDJSkeptik Newer heat pumps with variable speed motors are still effective.
@@SkremoMcThrftsto I have been a HVAC/R contractor for 35 years. For four of those years I taught a heat pump class at a local tech school. The balance point is 35. Below that you will need supplemental heat. The heat of compression doesn't change with variable speed. There just isn't enough heat in the air below that temp to make it efficient to run. So explain to me exactly what you are talking about.
@@MrDJSkeptikmy 2023 mini split is good down to 10 degrees I live in Wisconsin
Looks like the furnace is pointed to far down. It doesn't seem like the Ray's would make it very far
Average winter temp. in Akron is a few degrees above and below freezing. So not really all that cold so this might do the job. Where I live you this would probably heat a tiny shack. Strangely most of all the commercial warehouse garages etc here have large natural gas fan-driven heaters that are noticeably noisy when the unit starts a heating cycle. They are slightly larger than a small fridge but if it ever fell on someone it would kill them. The upside of these Infrared units is that they heat the floor or whatever they are pointed at which then heats the air above it. Plus apparently, they are dramatically more efficient up to 75% more.
My hot dog heater works fantastic!
Could a person use that heater while the garage is unoccupied? Do you trust it to run while you sleep?
Cool video, you guys have inspired so many of my videos on my channel. Thank you
Would you do a segment on heating a home with electric infrared heating panels?
with a bedroom above the garage, how may I get this system to work with Gas in my home?
That's great they dont show the installing pipes I think it's more important to show where and how to secure and that thermostat is perfect where it is under the heat
Any ideas from anyone if someone hasn't been able to get heat , electric assistance , or any plans at all ? What does the expert Richard recommend for solution? Since people are claiming the state I live in is home base :) I'm sure I could be the odd ball and get some type of heat without a issue .
And the option for those of us without a gas line running to the shop?
Chris Emens how about electric lolololololololo
They make electric infrared heaters too. Not sure if they are quite as efficient though. They might be, but could require some major breakers.
So how do u vent the carbon monoxide. Also the heater is not pointed outward.hmmmm.....
That dude must have every gimmicky thing ever produced!
like what?
Great if you run this 24x7, but if like other folks who are only going to run it once a while,. this thing will never heat up the garage to the point of being usable on a typical cold winter day. Far better off just running a propane blast heater by cracking the door open a bit to get the ambient temps to where they need to be , then using one or two regular electric portable heaters to maintain.
Never use a tubing cutter to remove plastic wrap. Use a knife at an angle. Even the slightest score in the copper (especially if it's continuous all the way around) will weaken it to the point where it could easily separate under minimal stress, and leak.
Agreed. However that's not copper that's csst
yep any metal that has a nick or score will fail sooner at that point.
have to ask is this safe with gas in and around that area and can you use a propane one .I have an unfinished basement that I would like to heat to hopefully warm up the house above also .I keep my ride in mowers in my basement for now ,but planning on buying them a new home .I am in southside VA and had new lennox dual stage heat pump put in 16seer ,but house is still chilly .My walls are 2x6 and floors are insulated .
What about the ambient sawdust catching fire? Is this thing really safe with all the air borne sawdust?
What the hell is ambient sawdust ?
Anyone know how long that jewel will run on a 100 pound propane tank?
This is the first time I saw a homeowner in your videos doing something intelligent. Most look like it’s the first time they seen a tool. Lol
Oil-filled stand alone radiators ( electric ) never get hot enough to combust anything, and provide both convection and radiation heat. Quiet. And they are cheap, like $30 or so from your typical big box store.
aren’t they too small to heat something as big as a two car garage? how many would it take?
@@cassconner6023 I bet two would work if the space was insulated.
How much did did doing that cost I have a detached garage I'd like to add heat to
Can I use this in my paint shop?
I would have thought the risk of combustion of sawdust would be too high for this unless he has amazing dust collection for every single tool