On top of the usual hyperbole that comes from most Warframe content creators, there is something different about Koumei. I hope DE keeps doing weird frames every now and then, even if I don't like them. We've got 50+ frames now. We don't need every new one to be a content-buster. They just need to be interesting to play.
Real, I think she needs some qol buffs/explanation of random mechanics, but a lot of the reason people push back against some of these creators inputs is they want the frame to be like other frames and it shows with how they try to build them. Like knightmare frame trying to turn koumei into a nuker by removing 4 of all abilities for roar for reasons??????? Like, almost none of her decrees affect abilities outside of raw ability strength so I think people may be missing her identity more than a tad
Fr its like if a frame doesn't aoe nuke a room in two seconds its bad. We got plenty of other frames that can do that and we've already seen it all. They should at least appreciate the face that we Koumei is a completely unique frame. Sure she isn't meta but sometimes the meta is boring and you want something different
You should've talked about how people tend to diminish the potential of frames that work better in solo. One of the best examples of this is Harrow. Harrow can buff your weapons, regen energy, shields and give you rate of fire but he has his issues in squad bc he needs to do things by its own, he needs to kill enemies to keep regenerating energy, he needs to kill by headshots to keep the crit chance longer when using Lasting Covenant and that type of frames are not usually seen that much
Also people need to stop ranking frames, you know people have a wrong ranking when you see they have C tier on it. The only tierlist i saw being almost accurate was the 2024 tierlist from a spanish youtuber known as Deuce The Gamer.
Thats true but unlike Koumei, harrow can subsume and play around stuff that works on a team enviroment. An example would be a 160% duration harrow with Nourish and no lasting covenant to give the team i-frames and energy regen
@@WispGraxx yeah, harrow can be adapted to play in squad but when seeing the new frames that have came to the game, you see that they are not supposed to use helminth to help themselves, their kit works right most of the time, i can only think about Kullervo using nourish instead of his 4 and Qorvex using Hildryn's helminth instead of his 1 before his augment came out
close enough, welcome back MougaUmbral I liked her so much I farmed a second Koumei to give omamori to everybody and then dressed her up as Miku, coloured her weapons as leeks, and made an arsenal slot just for her
Hi Moug nice video, just want to say the expected value for rolling 5 fair dice is 17.5 not 15. For one dice expected value is (1+2+3+4+5+6)*(1/6) = 3.5 the expected value of a sum is the sum of the expected values so expected value for 5 dice 5*3.5=17.5. I teach probability and statistics so had to comment on that haha
Big WF Yt creators being wrong? What a shocker. I literally picked her in the circuit as i didn't have a good frame for it, and it was THE most fun I've had in it, and i dont even have her built, but now im going to
If you have a melee that lifts on heavy/combo you can get easy stacks with her passive and afflictions Enemies tend to die fast on heavy lift proc so you'll be taping enemies and moving on
seeing the edit of brozime at the beginning makes me realize again, that the amount of subs do not reflect in the slightest how good a content creator actually is at the game
They just wanna nuke everything in sight, Koumei literally kinda supports that but she also uses literally your whole arsenal and every movement mechanic in game, she really doesn't have any flaws I could name either from my experience.
I still believe that the challenges from her 2nd ability are something that belongs to warframe from 10 years ago, no one in their right mind today is doing wall latches or slide attacks outside of hyper niche builds. Wish they'd have come up with something a bit more exciting instead. Her 3 is also laughably bad at keeping her alive on higher levels.
I think that’s why they made the challenges this way, because they are things that players don’t do as often anymore. Because the challenges are this way, they actually let Komei change up our usually monotonous gameplay loops. Imagine if the challenge was just “kill enemies with primary” then we wouldn’t even notice the challenges and they may as well remove them completely and just give her the decrees automatically. Which I think many who play her would consider to be a nerf to her kit, because many players, especially vets, are looking for new gameplay loops and things to add variety to an already stale combat system that Warframe has.
@@abyssphantom6786 There are no "new" gameplay loops here, just outdated mechanics that don't get used anymore because they are obsolete and not integrated well in the general flow of combat.
@@Bonta2101 Other challenges like kill stuff within 10 meters or kill stuff beyond 20 meters are not. Wall latch is not really outdated either because proton mod set, arcane arachne and lua spy exists. There is a difference between "I don't use them" and "they are obsolete".
@@kintingkam6704 Why would I, in any scenario, chose a conditional toxin damage and status chance mod when I can slap Virulent Scourge on for almost the same effect with no conditionals attached AND for less mod slot cost? Arcane Arachne is only really a choice if I have no other arcanes to chose from, as the extra damage it gives you is just overkill in most scenarios anyways, especially with incarnons existing. And lua spy is titania territory, no reason to wall latch there either. Just as you said, me not using them doesn't necessarily make them obsolete, but just as well, you using them doesn't suddenly make them relevant. And Koumei's 2 isn't really a good way of making ppl start using them either, if anything, she just sticks to a wall for a bit and spams 4 till the challenge is done, not really much more engaging that just killing dudes, imo.
@@Bonta2101 You are entitled to your opinion. Surely. Just saying that it is your opinion, not that the mechanic is obsoleted objectively like stamina bar. Not relevant to you, but relevant to someone else. Sliding attack as well, you can slide in the air and still count as completing the challenge (read: exodia contagion).
I love her ADHD play style, she has mini games attached to her kit in the form of her passive and her 2, the status build up is good for my play style. But the build diversity is what’s fun for me I put Patagium in her exilus slot and two parkour shards that’s all I need for her challenges, her 1 is awesome for shield gating I love her
She is a scaling warframe. If you don't use the scaling mechanic she's gonna be bad. But I agree with you the only way to play with a team with Koumei is to split to do challenges and regroup. Your League example truly fits this. She's like Nasus laner that needs to go into jungle sometimes.
I would just love having a team wide challenge that gives the buff toa team instead. Its also an amazing idea because you can make it in a way that even new players see the challenge and go like oh cool imma do it and get rewarded for it. Its a win win for everyone
@@WispGraxx we both know thats only gonna happen through augments. Also any ideas for her 1st ability augment? All I can think of is having energy color force proc certain elements, just like chroma
@@someenthusiast Enemies hit get grouped in a specific thread or that threads spread between enemies to proc more statuses. Regardless DE will change her, lets hope for the better
yeah its like playing nidus without getting his stacks and yeah then he sucks quite a bit, you cant say a frame is bad when you dont use the main mechanic and just use her as a walking primer
@@WispGraxxHaving the team work on the challenge and get the buff for, say, the max cooldown duration, is a really cool idea. Threads grouping enemies sound cool, but then it's her 4th that isn't great (why suspend when you can group?). There really should be a synergy between the two like casting her 4th when her 1st is active gathers the threads and that is the grouping effect, with the augment causing threads to flail around and spread status/gather enemies.
Gotta say that since I started playing warframe a few months ago you've become my favourite creator, dude. The only - only - one that actually put Koumei on the game design petri dish. I salute you. Also, regardless of how broken/dud Koumei is, one thing I really like is that this is a way to introduce new players to a multitude of systems that would be way to convoluted to explain. Instead, they just happen and, hopefully, will be impactfull enough to make someone curious about the deeper waters of those systems. once again, thanks for the content and keep on keeping on, Tenno
Have I said something weird? Hope not. English not my native language and all. I do appreciate the heads up but I'm not the most friendly of people from time to time as well u know ^_^* we human. Analysis wise? Pretty effing good to comunicate stuff, aint' it?
@LordKorears6 Look up his Wisp video. Someone asked a question about Nourish paired with Breach Surge and he went off. I'll look it up and edit my comment to show, as I'm on mobile. Edit: It's on his 2500 hrs on Wisp video. In a response "To be honest, this is a guide video meaning >I< guide you, not >you< guide me." When someone questioned why he didn't use Nourish and said that they had positive experience withit.
@@Sal-fg3rs dude, though I can see your point, really not here to start any drama or be a trampoline to one. Just thought it was a really thought out and communicated analysis of the frame on a video format. Did not imagine this would pop up. It's their beef. Let it be their beef and let us have a nice week, shall we? ^^
Farmed a Koumei x2 gave her a try and took a bit to understand her potential. Those buffs from the decree can be insane i just hope that the coded fix goes live so that squads can help complete the challenges. She definitely will be an additional choice in my public endurance runs.
Damn, ive been binging your channel and while i dont dislike your normal format. Adding some edits like this and a good script makes you way more coherent and makes your point get across way better. Hope to see more and improved content from you. Also youve made me want to main wisp and stahlta again i havent played them since the new war came out
This video was fantastic! I just have a little different perspective on whether she’s new player friendly. In the early game, she really only needs vigilante vigor and fast deflection to stay alive (or vitality and steel fiber). Plus, her 4 kills everything early in the star chart without needing to mod for high strength. I do agree that using archon mods and galvanized mods is ideal, but I think they’re not essential before new players can access them.
@@powerenjoyer6886 all he does is “repost and make it into a video” it’s not really content bros just a walking patch note- same thing is said about his non Warframe content
Super good video and honestly the best take on her I've seen yet. Great work informing people about the pseudo-RNG on her dice rolls (although I don't blame any players or even content creators for not knowing about it). IMO it's kind of crazy how much Koumei existing causes warframe players to trip over themselves in a race to see who can contradict themselves the fastest. Pre-Koumei: "Brozime is bad because he says that Lavos is best suited as a weapon's platform instead of trying to make his abilities work for killing enemies! I don't care about weapon builds that just abuse CO because who even does content where that matters? Also creators who only judge frames based on their ability to do endless runs are stupid because that isn't relevant!" Post-Koumei: "Brozime is terrible at the game because he's building around Koumei's abilities and trying to make them good at killing enemies when she's *obviously* supposed to be a weapon's platform! Her abilities allow you to abuse CO which is incredible for killing enemies in high level content! Creators who rate her based on her ability to do regular missions are just mEtA sLaVeS and don't understand that she *clearly* shines in endless runs!"
Very solid assessment. Love the insight and thoughts, with objective evidence to boot instead of..... Well. The intro def spoke for itself. She's def like my top 5 now too. I fuckin love her gameplay loop and I'm hopeful that the reimplementation of the buff to her 2 will come soon. 🙏
I found her really fun to play mainly solo, I did a survival incursion recently and accidentally stayed there for 20 minutes just spamming 4 & using roar to soft nuke. I do think her 2nd and 3rd could use some QOL changes, for example I think her 2 needs to go on cooldown IMMEDIATELY after it’s cast, not just when you complete the challenge. Her 3rd needs the weird cooldown removed, same with the random cooldown on her 4th. Other than that she is incredibly fun rolling decree after decree and (like I said previously) soft nuking with her 4.
Dang this is a good video. Its nice to see an actual fair take from someone who did extensive testing on the frame. A lot of the other youtubers just do clickbait and try to get strong reactions
thanks, moug. this is excellent content! i'm very wary of following people who make builds, buldtech is one of my fav parts of the game! but this, this is good content! I'm gonna sub. Also, your idea for her 2 and team synergies is a really fresh take! i love it. only, the team buffs should be time limited.
1hour in. Even the comment section is split in half. haha. As human as we get, we just cant help but compare with our bias/faves or dislike her because of a mechanic. I don't have Komei yet(lazy LR3 and..) as I prefer playing Ability frames over Weapons platform but given how heavy her abilities will impact her weapons, I will build her and have fun with her just like how this vid looks fun to me. Thanks!
I'm not going to bother to convince people how good of a frame she is by now. I did a 2h SP circulum fissure with her and I had such a good time, I could easily go longer but I guess I made myself the point that she's not bad. If you really can't kill x amount of enemies while airborne/wall latching/sliding then that's just a skill issue, sorry not sorry
It’s a huge issue within Warframe that a TON of the top creators do not understand mechanics which wouldn’t be so bad if they didn’t pretend to act like they know everything and their opinion of things are facts. Last week I was arguing with one of them cause he didn’t understand why the combo duration mods he had on was using its base combo duration to calculate it and was telling me the game DOESNT USE CALCULATIONS BASED ON THE BASE STATS. Like I couldn’t understand how dumb he was after he couldn’t comprehend that that’s not how mods work or you would get different stats depending on which ones you put on first 🤦♂️
and then there is me with trinity going godmode for 50 minutes on any steel path mission.... with 1 forma investment btw (the top creatiors are never touching that frame)
@@dominikpatrikmolnar5176 My philosophy about warframe at this point is that you can make everything break the game, but the "worse" the frame the harder is to find the god build that will destroy everything in steel path. But since most people all they wanna do is run incarnon weapons and base themselves of what to play on tierlist and pick builds they found on youtube without any intencion to making the build better or stress test it somewhere rough (alchemy steelpath deimos is an good place for that)
Koumei is one of those frames I want to love, bus struggle to find a build that works. I am not giving up on her, but I still have found how to make her reslly fun and powerful. P.S: also, yed I would love a Koumei deep dive and multiple build examples if possible. Let's pray she gets the buffs she deserve.
tbh i'm not surprised by the reaction of knightmare frame, bro litteraly compared the tenet glaxion (with a toxin element i think) to the torid, obviously it's weaker (and tbh both are good, just different uses)
Personally as someone who been doing endless with the torid as my main weapon for years, to come back and see ppl use torid made me happy, untill I realize they wont using the torid, DE is gonna gut a weapon with low base damage cause ppl are using the not torid
Ty for your unbiased review. I think the problem with many of these big “unknowledgable/based” content creators is that they are trying to push out content so fast (to keep up their subs/momentum) that they can’t adequately research the topics at hand. A lot of warframe’s mechanics are confusing and just not easily apparent, even for veterans, so you really have to test everything to understand how it works which takes time. Again thanks for doing so, might give Koumei a try now.
I'm honestly just so sick of some of these content creators and the cult followings they've spawned. Brozime doesn't even understand a basic yet pivotal function of Limbo's kit that is literally written in an ability description, why would i ever take him seriously about literally anything else in the game that's even slightly complex? And all their followers do is just personally attack anyone that disagrees I'm just glad we still have creators like you and a few others that actually understand or try to understand mechanics and dont mislead your audience
I know you are not literally sick of them, but why does it even "affect" you? if you look at their situation, they are first and foremost entertainers who earn food and rent by making people interact with them on 2-3 plattforms. Just think of they have to juggle to actualy earn a living: -be controversial/over the top to increase interaction -not to controversial to not alienate viewers -not to complicated or boring to make viewer quit your video prematurely (view time is a money vektor) -chasing growing mechanisms to get more viewers to replace quitting/inactive viewers all of this on top of an algorithm which forces you to contantly release content AND STILL being completetly relying on 2 plattforms and one single game I find it only natural that a) quality can occasionally or permanent dip and b) aim for a cult following, since they would simply lose everything without them
So, surprisingly im here, watching a moug video as a wisp main. I agree 100% with the 2nd most used behind wisp. Playing koumei in solo survival makes playing fun. Playing her in pretty much any other content is not. She is my new omnia frame for sure. Still waiting for her to come up in the circut so i can finally experience double decrees
Your pseudo rng argument kind of mixes up a few things its not just a gaming thing. In your real world example with the coinflip it actually does not "not" matter after the first flip. The chance for heads is 50% but the chance for two heads in a row is 25% ergo switching two tails after head has been thrown is a statistical advantage. This isnt any pseudo rng its just how probability works. IN Games though there can be hidden weighting systems or imperfect rng that influences that like her ability scaling the rng. So I feel some of what you tak about is just general statistics and some stuff is quirks with her RNG implementation.
my biggest issue with her is it doesn't feel particularly good to get the more clunky or less desirable decrees, and then have to wait X amount of time to get to try again. (I.e finisher grant x buff, or viral double jumps)
Yeah I completely agree with you, every time I hear someone saying "koumei is trash" I always laugh and respond with a "she's only for big dick tenno, you're not ready to embrace her power" or a "get gud" lol hahaha 😂
If a frame is too different it seems like most content creators don't take the amount of time they sit in level cap to figure how to use them. And if they're really good they dont make anything other then surface level knowledge because they can't imagine anything other then meta being used.
Another thing that's kinda funny is most people respond with "that's too much investment" when they only consume content from people whose neighbors probably do level capped content
Like. Loki is one of the most unkillable frames in the game but he's not picked up by these creators because he actually requires a brain and time management to be effective. Hence why all these creators worship frames like Rev because they literally just need to hit 1 button and just waltz through everything
Teamwide decrees is an incredible proposal that i've never heard before... Something you might have thought of but didn't mention, is that this also helps the ability overcome one of its biggest annoyances: decrees which are useless to you, could be incredibly useful to a teammate. Finisher decrees are pretty much always useless for Koumei herself, but could benefit an Ash in your party. Baruuk would love some melee decrees. Wukong would love some Slam decrees. Mesa would love some stacking firerate on her regulators. Gauss would love increased magazine size and ammo efficiency on roll. A single player tends not to benefit from all, or even most of these, and it creates annoyance when you have to wait another 150s for your next buff after getting a useless decree. But, there's consolation in knowing it could be helping a teammate. You still didn't address some of the key issues with Koumei's decrees though. Namely, you can lose the ability to survive via. shieldgating with decrees which increase your efficiency or give a chance for free abilities... and you can lose favorable elemental combinations by gaining decrees- the worst of which probably being Smouldering Strike blocking you from activating Melee Influence entirely. I think between a combination of Teamwide decrees, plus the ability to right-click-deactivate decrees in the pause menu UI which displays them, Koumei could become a high tier warframe.
Be really careful about teamwide decrees, because having more than one koumei in a squad means that you will gain decrees at 2x speed. A squad of 4 koumei will be getting 8+ decrees within 2 minutes for everyone, turning the entire squad completely OP and destroying any resemblance of difficulties in this game forever.
The elements you get from her decrees are their own instance of damage so when you get the "Smouldering Strike" while running electricity on your melee the heat will not combine to make radiation.
an old video so idk if she has changed since i made her a few weeks ago - but i gotta say she is prob the most fun and one of the best frames ive played in a long time :D the passive weapons buffs are super good / the missions are fun to do and can give amazing buffs! and replacing her 1 for sickening pulse + running mecha set on kubrow and the 2 mods on yourself makes for some insane nukes! just hit 4 and 1 and then everything dies from a mix of electric,gas,blast and well everything els pulse puts to 10 stacks >:D
Finally got Koumei about three days ago, and I was (and am still) flabbergasted that theres fools out there telling me shes bad or "not that good" yet this is one of the only Warframes that I have actively enjoyed going into long SP Endurance missions with. Running an Omnia Fissure in SP with her feels like a never ending flow of serotonin and dopamine. Thank you for being a voice of reson amid absolute weirdos who talk trash about her.
I feel the "give squad buff on 3" would be a good augment mod. Imagine if you will, you can hold cast 3 instead to grant a challenge to the squad, putting you on your current cooldown for it without increasing it. Or something along those lines
I love koumei! Her passive is fucking insane, 1 is ok but I’d definitely subsume that out (personally doing sickening pulse just haven’t leveled up the helminth), her 2 is very fun it’s like side quests and u have to get good at things u almost never use like wall latching, 3 is weird I’ve learned to appreciate it a little more since I found out it affects shields too but I definitely think it needs a buff, and 4 is just her 1 but better in every way.
Nice review! I was getting very tired of either "The best warframe" (what everyone one says about any new warframe/prime frame that launches), or the worst because they dont like the gameplay. Thank you!
Decrees were the first thing I subsumed on her. Annoying to get, the internal cooldown between them, and the fact that the elements combine with the ones modded on weapons. It was an instant subsume
@@Nexit_l Oh no, that change is for warframe abilities like volt's shock trooper etc. The decrees had this always which is why they were considered so OP. Its also the reason why people hear "level cap duviri" and cringe, because your weapons can do level cap modless there from just the decrees
The degrees do combine. At least the heat on melee and cold on crits. Toxin on headshot does not combine, because it works differently. The change Pablo suggested includes these, not just the warframe augments. It‘s supposed to go live with 1999 afaik.
One of the complaints I heard are - 1 is unreliable or just worse version of 4 - 2 cooldown should start as son as you use it. Not when you finish the challenge - 3 can’t be re-cast incase you got shit roll (technically you can reset by jumping off the cliff) - 4 is good
1) her 1 is unreliable and a worse version of her 4, This is your subsume ability, I put Larva here to group enemies to make my 2 quick to finish. 2) The cooldown isn't as bad as people think. By the time the cooldown is high, you should already be busted powerful. That being said, when you roll Triple Sixes, cooldown should be reset. 3) 3 can be recast once you get down to 5 charms. I use a high armor build (to capitalize on power strength decree), adaptation, and shield gating So that I don't need to be invulnerable, I'm unkillable anyway. 4) is good You asked about Archon Shards, I use 3 Tau Blue for armor and 2 Tau Red for power strength. My build reduces my Strength to 70, so I use shards to bring me back to 100. My build also leans hard into armor, 1119 base after blue shards, Arcane Guardian, Arcane Reaper, Mecha Pulse (full set) and Melee Fortification.
I’ve personally really enjoyed Koumei. With how little modding she needs for ability stats, I’ve opted to use the extra slots to make her into an energy tank, and I’ve never had a more comfortable and enjoyable 30min. survival in my life. After this video though, I might try fitting in some strength mods and tossing on Roar.
Elegantly put. Slight disagreement on her 4, her casting speed is far too slow (i know it can be solved with shards) but in team play, I've ran one casting speed shard, with natural talent and have primed a group with her 4, about to kill them all with afflictions sampotes, and a squad member killed them all before I finished cast (I frames for 4 cast would be nice to, usually how they solve long casts). The idea of squad can do your challanges too is peak. Massive fan of this. Kinda makes other pubs play koumei too (the limbo effect), but if implemented well, I think I prefer this over assist kills. Cos as of now, when I play survival, she's in a room playing by herself (and splitting spawns) Fantastic video, and gets across the point I've been saying. Strong in solo play, frustrating in squad play.
Finally a person who gives a compliment without overly glazing the content creator. All I see is omg I never knew I could play that way. These other youtubers didn’t give this X a fair take. Im gonna actually play with her now. ie: it take youtubers for you to pick up and play a frame or test out an interaction in a game. Same applies for the people who didn’t play with kubrows and surprised that they have the potential to nuke rooms. Some was doing that before the kubrows rework. Difference is now its all and more convenient. Also I agree Koumei is a Solo Frame and not really new player friendly.
It´s literally the rng aspect, personally in some long survivals i got god deecres and i love her, while other times i got to extract bcuz the shitty deecres, specifically the one that imbues your melee with fire, although, the +2mins its not my fav thing in the world, but i give her 7/10.
My Koumei is doing SP with a budget build. No shards.The only strength mod she is using maxed Blind Rage with Fleeting Expertise, Boreal's Hatred, and Equilibrium to counter the energy efficiency hit. Primed Continuity to counter the Duration hit. Rolling Guard to cover Omimari fails and negate harmful status effects. Redirection and Fast Deflection for shield management. Steel Charge in my aura for extra melee damage. Arcane Aegis and Avenger. No Archon Mods. Trust me she is so good you don't need a Helminth. Why do TH-camrs axe her 1? Spam that shit, shoot, and send them to heaven. Aim her 1 on the ground and watch enemies die. Big gap from her 1? Cast it again and no more gaps. It's her cheapest ability. Cast that sh!t😂😂😂 Her passive is all you need and her abilities clean up the leftovers still alive. Crowd anxiety? Cast her 4. They will even dance for you😂😂😂
so from my expermintation with Koumei she herself does not do alot of dmg but she is an AMAZING primer with the amount of status you can spread. which makes guns/weapons do tons of dmg with condition overload and galvanized aptitude. the only thing in her kit that i personally find kind of subpar is her survivability as its 'random' but you can supliment that with arcanes/helminth/shards and adaption or rolling gaurd.
I put my ability strength pretty stupid high as like 355% ish and another 60% from molt aug and 40% from madurai and i didnt really notice more triple 6s. I once had to roll 14 times before i got one so it def seemed like it didnt do much for me then. I did notice it seemed like the avg of my rolls were higher as i would roll at least 1 six very often and didnt see too many rolls beneath 16. We need a lot more Koumei players all recording their rolls and playing with different amounts of power strength to genuinely see if it does play a role since pablo isnt likely to tell us the truth under the hood there. Regardless, pwoer strength should affect all her rolls anyway. Her whole thing is cheating/changing fate, so her not having any way to cheat her own dice makes no sense. So this one change alone would enhance her from a gameplay AND lore perspective. I definitely think we need to have that koumei experiment. I was and still am very curious about exactly how the dice work under the hood and i feel like we're all taking big guesses as to how they work and if we are going to go anecdotal here then we need larger sample sizes, at least 100 dice rolls per different ability strengths and other koumei players need to try it so we can cross reference the results. If there IS something to power strength and her dice then finding out exactly how it works and the perfect strength amount to sit at would make her feel miles better to play since pablo doesnt look like her will be buffing or tweaking her anytime soon. Also bonus question, noticed u had 2 mecha mods. Does the stat spread stack with 2? or are you just using the armor one for that one "ability strength from armor" decree?
Koumei is incredible, she just has a few outstanding flaws like you brought up. HOWEVER, the way she plays just isn't for me, and also the gambling aspect to me at least feels quite unfulfilling. like you said, getting 20+ total matters more than 3x6 most of the time. the lows aren't low enough and the 3x6 highs are just slightly better than getting a good total roll (on her 1 and 4, at least.)
So before i acquired Koumei,i thought she'd be terrible. Now that I've leveled her up, she's pretty fun to use and great if you like spreading elemental status around like it's going outta style. I also found that she's a bit different to build compared to other frame builds. The only ability i didn't like is the decree one because some of the tasks are crazy, however, i do like that i can cancel it if i don't like it and try again once the cool down ends.
Koumei is genuinely a hell of a lot of fun, especially with her synergy with condition overload weapons and beasts. I do agree that she needs some improvements, but she already is powerful. If anything, it might just focus on QoL and filling in the holes that her kit has. General: I wish DE displayed ingame that Koumei's dice have pseudo RNG that scales with Ability Strength. Gara's passive has been documented by the DE themselves (in patch notes) to have pseudo RNG (base 15% chance to blind on ability cast, +20% everytime it fails to proc). Koumei would greatly benefit from this being displayed, and it wouldn't really betray her game design either. Gacha games come with pseudo RNG in the form of pity rate in character/item wishing pools, so Koumei also openly displaying psudo RNG wouldn't be too far off. 1st ability: Deploy a slow moving star and a sweep of threads that deal a random status effect. The star periodically deploys more threads targeting nearby enemies, replacing any old strings if exceeding the thread count cap. The ability already comes with a star that deploys all the threads randomly. If they leaned more into this star and made it a constant trapper, it would help separate the ability from her 4th. It might also bring some synergy with her 4th, filling in the status effects that the 4th ability didn't apply. 2nd ability: Imo the maximum 150s cooldown is fair enough considering how OP her decrees are. However, the cooldown ramping reaching the cap after just 8 challenges feels limiting. If DE is insistent on keeping the base ramping, but wanted to make the ability more exciting, it might be cool if increasing Ability Efficiency lowered the ramping. That way, Koumei can complete more challenges before reaching the 150s cooldown cap. There would be a tradeoff of wanting more decrees quickly at the cost of taking up mod slots for other stats. As for the team play issue, they could add an augment where challenge completions award the whole squad with a random Lohk Surge (from the Zariman/Sanctum) on top of the decree for Koumei. 3rd ability: To put it simply, it just needs more feedback that the triple sixes effect is actually working. Even when I know I casted it with triple sixes, I still feel uneasy in fights because the Omamoris look just like her normal ability cast. 4th ability: Similar to the 3rd ability, it needs to be made more clear that the triple sixes effect is working. Maybe they could make it clear that the stacks are distributed among 3 status effects, and then they can make the triple sixes effect distribute stacks across a whole lot more status effects (alongside the other triple six effects)
I like to run Arcane Blessing and I'm considering Arcane Guardian too in addition with my two armor shards because of the Decree that turns armor into strength, Arcane Guardian alone gives you 90% strength per point of that decree up to 270% just from that, combine that with some shards and maybe some other decrees and you can easily reach the cap of 500% strength. With Arcane Blessing and all this armor plus dmg reduction decree, I can tank into crazy high levels. My fav way to play her so far.
It's just large content creators with dog water builds not understanding how Koumei is played spreading misinformation, this happens literally all the the time until the eventual "I was wrong about [Insert Warframe]..." video drops months after the damage has already been done. Just because something doesn't clear a room in 0.5 seconds doesn't mean it's bad.
I have 2600 hours in the game have played every frame and my personal opinion is she is a walking primer. Her decree system is better than most give it credit for. In a survival mission I rolled all 6s on her 2, two times in a row since I've been using her in the past week I've gotten all 6s more than 20 times. Her 1 and 4 synergize together really well n her survivability is very good.
I like Koumei, I think she is good, she needs some adjustment to make her better, her strings being on a timer instead of max count would be nice. The only reason I haven't been playing her is that she is less fun in squad play (the main mode I play) due to her 2 being so easy for your team to mess up, making having a team feel like a debuff. That's just not fun and I hope they fix it soon.
My personal tests on the effect of ability strength on Koumei's dice over 100 rolls: 100% strength = 48 rolls equal or above 20 and 9 triple 6s 170% strength = 50 rolls equal or above 20 and 12 triple 6s. The numbers seems so strange that the number of rolls above 20 barely changes, while the number of triple 6s changed by more than 30%. Although it is data I collected myself, I believe that it is by no means a reliable source of proof that strength does positively affect Koumei's dice probability, and could possibly just be a fluke, and I hope more people would test it for a more concrete conclusion. P.S. If anyone else also tested it, preferably with at least 100 rolls or more, please reply to this comment with your results.
See thats exactly what I said. It doesn't change how many rolls above 20 you get its how many rolls that are same or above 20 are triple sixes. I had around 6 people test this exact thing and we all got similar results. There must be something internally that increases the chance with your strength
I only did 32 tests each, so obviously less statistical significance. 10% ability strength: 12 above 19, 2 tripple 6s, average 17,8. 412% ability strength: 14 above 19, 5 tripple 6s, average 18,6. Among both tests, the longest streak of below 20 I got was 5 times; and both tests got two of these low streaks. The longest I went without tripple 6 was 14 and 11 attempts on low strength and 7 attempts on high strength. The longest I went without any 6 at all is 2 attempts on both test runs. I‘m honestly not convinced there is any way to predict the next roll like how it was demonstrated with crits; at least I couldn‘t see any pattern in the rolls. But I also didn‘t note down the dice in order, maybe that is something I‘ll test if I have the time.
never thought about abusing the rng, i knew it existed but never thought abt it, hmm wonder if there is other things we can use this for that ppl havent thought of
Heres some change I think Id make to koumei personally. Dice rolls no longer apply to your current casting ability, rather it applies to your next ability. This means you can possibly spam your one and use it to proc other triple six abilities. Might be a bit busted possibly. But a less busted one is Omikuji when the challenge is refused, goes on its own cooldown maybe 20 seconds if a normal challenge, 15 seconds for a penalty one, scaling negatively with duration. Numbers could be bigger, but I feel tossing your cooldown can feel liek sunk cost fallacy WAY too much. Making it not build a cooldown could really help people bite the bullet, but it being longish should make people consider just doing it. Decree rarity scaling with strength would be nice. Even if it was just a few percents at a time. Last one which is also iffy, maybe an augment, you can reroll your last decree while the ability is on cooldown at the cost of 25 energy and an increased Omikuji timer
Also hard agree on her 1. It's really feast or famine. I made a meme build with coil horizon that does no damage at 300 strength, one triple six and everyone fucking evaporates the moment they get dragged into the wires. Also, there's a mechanic where lifted or ragdolled enemies constantly take hits from threads, but for some reason she can't take advantage of it at all. Really seems like a misplay
crazy that pseudo crits in league very evidently exist, when people like august have said MULTIPLE TIMES that they dont. the transparency in that game is abysmal
Do you have your sicarus build uploaded somewhere? Is it the same build as the video you first uploaded about it when the incarnon came out? if you can also post the ogris build that would be sick too! great video as always, there was a lot of information about her i didn't know about
Koumei...simultaneously the (potentially) most powerful frame in the game and the most frustrating to use that makes her (potentially) incredible power not worth fighting for...
The trick is to prepare for any potential decree. If your build can exploit any decree, then all it takes is 2 or 3 to become absolutely busted, and you can get 2 or 3 in two minutes.
The RNG frame splits the community between 'this shit is easy' and 'this shit is the worst yet'.
Yeah, sounds about right.
On top of the usual hyperbole that comes from most Warframe content creators, there is something different about Koumei. I hope DE keeps doing weird frames every now and then, even if I don't like them. We've got 50+ frames now. We don't need every new one to be a content-buster. They just need to be interesting to play.
Real, I think she needs some qol buffs/explanation of random mechanics, but a lot of the reason people push back against some of these creators inputs is they want the frame to be like other frames and it shows with how they try to build them. Like knightmare frame trying to turn koumei into a nuker by removing 4 of all abilities for roar for reasons???????
Like, almost none of her decrees affect abilities outside of raw ability strength so I think people may be missing her identity more than a tad
agreed if this happens ever 2 year at most might be enough for me to stay
Fr its like if a frame doesn't aoe nuke a room in two seconds its bad. We got plenty of other frames that can do that and we've already seen it all. They should at least appreciate the face that we Koumei is a completely unique frame. Sure she isn't meta but sometimes the meta is boring and you want something different
Absolute HEAT video brother man ggs🔥
You should've talked about how people tend to diminish the potential of frames that work better in solo. One of the best examples of this is Harrow. Harrow can buff your weapons, regen energy, shields and give you rate of fire but he has his issues in squad bc he needs to do things by its own, he needs to kill enemies to keep regenerating energy, he needs to kill by headshots to keep the crit chance longer when using Lasting Covenant and that type of frames are not usually seen that much
Also people need to stop ranking frames, you know people have a wrong ranking when you see they have C tier on it. The only tierlist i saw being almost accurate was the 2024 tierlist from a spanish youtuber known as Deuce The Gamer.
Thats true but unlike Koumei, harrow can subsume and play around stuff that works on a team enviroment. An example would be a 160% duration harrow with Nourish and no lasting covenant to give the team i-frames and energy regen
@@sebastianinfante3250 lets hope you like mine.. when i make it
@@WispGraxx you'll be alright with your tierlist as long as Yareli is not C tier as Overframe thinks haha
@@WispGraxx yeah, harrow can be adapted to play in squad but when seeing the new frames that have came to the game, you see that they are not supposed to use helminth to help themselves, their kit works right most of the time, i can only think about Kullervo using nourish instead of his 4 and Qorvex using Hildryn's helminth instead of his 1 before his augment came out
close enough, welcome back MougaUmbral
I liked her so much I farmed a second Koumei to give omamori to everybody
and then dressed her up as Miku, coloured her weapons as leeks, and made an arsenal slot just for her
Lmao I made my Yareli colored like miku. For koumei I just did a nine tail fox fashion which I adore.
Hi Moug nice video, just want to say the expected value for rolling 5 fair dice is 17.5 not 15. For one dice expected value is (1+2+3+4+5+6)*(1/6) = 3.5 the expected value of a sum is the sum of the expected values so expected value for 5 dice 5*3.5=17.5. I teach probability and statistics so had to comment on that haha
When Knightmareframe says something i just reverse it to get a good opinion
based
B..but primed sure foot
@@IssicheaV *on atlas*
Yes, the only thing he got right is how PSF is good.
@@skrrtbrrt714 I can’t go into a mission without PSF otherwise i instantly leave and equip it. Knockdowns are so annoying
Personally i don't care much for her due to playstyle but i think that it is OBJECTIVLY wrong to call her a bad frame by any means
Same, also playing with her in a team that nukes everything is.....🙃
She's literally the EASIEST lvl cap warframe
Respectable
She’s not a bad frame just mid
@@theAzeoso why is de giving trinity a rework?
This is an amazing in depth guide to Koumei and her mechanics. And your proposals sound extremely fun and would be great to see them in game.
Big WF Yt creators being wrong? What a shocker. I literally picked her in the circuit as i didn't have a good frame for it, and it was THE most fun I've had in it, and i dont even have her built, but now im going to
the decree system is fun and her passive is kinda nuts. I like her quite a bit.
I like her a lot too but we need to buff her ngl
Yeah her passive is ludicrously strong. Last time I've noted a passive this dumb insane is vorunas complete debuff immunity.
@@nicktheninja3166 kinda funny u say that, Voruna is great but her 4 got me stuck a few times in some areas, hopefully de fix that.
If you have a melee that lifts on heavy/combo you can get easy stacks with her passive and afflictions
Enemies tend to die fast on heavy lift proc so you'll be taping enemies and moving on
Editing in the beginning was great, stayed for the secondary cucumbers.
seeing the edit of brozime at the beginning makes me realize again, that the amount of subs do not reflect in the slightest how good a content creator actually is at the game
True
They just wanna nuke everything in sight, Koumei literally kinda supports that but she also uses literally your whole arsenal and every movement mechanic in game, she really doesn't have any flaws I could name either from my experience.
Genuinely moug makes good quality information. My favourite warframe creator rn (mostly because he’s the one who convinced me to build stahlta)
His ability to slowly state terrible takes as if they're the most profound thing you've ever heard is unmatched.
@@Durgrim_ I feel this on a spiritual level, we need more warframe cc that actually go all in when learning abt a frame
I still believe that the challenges from her 2nd ability are something that belongs to warframe from 10 years ago, no one in their right mind today is doing wall latches or slide attacks outside of hyper niche builds. Wish they'd have come up with something a bit more exciting instead. Her 3 is also laughably bad at keeping her alive on higher levels.
I think that’s why they made the challenges this way, because they are things that players don’t do as often anymore.
Because the challenges are this way, they actually let Komei change up our usually monotonous gameplay loops.
Imagine if the challenge was just “kill enemies with primary” then we wouldn’t even notice the challenges and they may as well remove them completely and just give her the decrees automatically.
Which I think many who play her would consider to be a nerf to her kit, because many players, especially vets, are looking for new gameplay loops and things to add variety to an already stale combat system that Warframe has.
@@abyssphantom6786 There are no "new" gameplay loops here, just outdated mechanics that don't get used anymore because they are obsolete and not integrated well in the general flow of combat.
@@Bonta2101 Other challenges like kill stuff within 10 meters or kill stuff beyond 20 meters are not. Wall latch is not really outdated either because proton mod set, arcane arachne and lua spy exists. There is a difference between "I don't use them" and "they are obsolete".
@@kintingkam6704 Why would I, in any scenario, chose a conditional toxin damage and status chance mod when I can slap Virulent Scourge on for almost the same effect with no conditionals attached AND for less mod slot cost? Arcane Arachne is only really a choice if I have no other arcanes to chose from, as the extra damage it gives you is just overkill in most scenarios anyways, especially with incarnons existing. And lua spy is titania territory, no reason to wall latch there either. Just as you said, me not using them doesn't necessarily make them obsolete, but just as well, you using them doesn't suddenly make them relevant. And Koumei's 2 isn't really a good way of making ppl start using them either, if anything, she just sticks to a wall for a bit and spams 4 till the challenge is done, not really much more engaging that just killing dudes, imo.
@@Bonta2101 You are entitled to your opinion. Surely. Just saying that it is your opinion, not that the mechanic is obsoleted objectively like stamina bar. Not relevant to you, but relevant to someone else.
Sliding attack as well, you can slide in the air and still count as completing the challenge (read: exodia contagion).
Koumei is in my Helminth wall.
considering null star and eclipse are also there, omamori is pretty underwhelming as a subsume sadly
@WispGraxx agreed. I leveled her to 30 and that's it.
@@WispGraxx Put them together
that profile pic with that statement is gold
@@WispGraxxtry it with nidus it's good
I love her ADHD play style, she has mini games attached to her kit in the form of her passive and her 2, the status build up is good for my play style. But the build diversity is what’s fun for me I put Patagium in her exilus slot and two parkour shards that’s all I need for her challenges, her 1 is awesome for shield gating I love her
She is a scaling warframe. If you don't use the scaling mechanic she's gonna be bad. But I agree with you the only way to play with a team with Koumei is to split to do challenges and regroup. Your League example truly fits this. She's like Nasus laner that needs to go into jungle sometimes.
I would just love having a team wide challenge that gives the buff toa team instead. Its also an amazing idea because you can make it in a way that even new players see the challenge and go like oh cool imma do it and get rewarded for it. Its a win win for everyone
@@WispGraxx we both know thats only gonna happen through augments. Also any ideas for her 1st ability augment?
All I can think of is having energy color force proc certain elements, just like chroma
@@someenthusiast Enemies hit get grouped in a specific thread or that threads spread between enemies to proc more statuses. Regardless DE will change her, lets hope for the better
yeah its like playing nidus without getting his stacks and yeah then he sucks quite a bit, you cant say a frame is bad when you dont use the main mechanic and just use her as a walking primer
@@WispGraxxHaving the team work on the challenge and get the buff for, say, the max cooldown duration, is a really cool idea.
Threads grouping enemies sound cool, but then it's her 4th that isn't great (why suspend when you can group?). There really should be a synergy between the two like casting her 4th when her 1st is active gathers the threads and that is the grouping effect, with the augment causing threads to flail around and spread status/gather enemies.
Koumei is insanely good and has become my new main, for now my stats still show Khora as my most played but give it time lol 😂
Gotta say that since I started playing warframe a few months ago you've become my favourite creator, dude. The only - only - one that actually put Koumei on the game design petri dish. I salute you.
Also, regardless of how broken/dud Koumei is, one thing I really like is that this is a way to introduce new players to a multitude of systems that would be way to convoluted to explain. Instead, they just happen and, hopefully, will be impactfull enough to make someone curious about the deeper waters of those systems.
once again, thanks for the content and keep on keeping on, Tenno
Just careful what you say though. If you read through some of Moug's previous content he has not always been the most friendly of people.
Have I said something weird? Hope not. English not my native language and all. I do appreciate the heads up but I'm not the most friendly of people from time to time as well u know ^_^* we human. Analysis wise? Pretty effing good to comunicate stuff, aint' it?
@@Sal-fg3rs OK some example
@LordKorears6 Look up his Wisp video. Someone asked a question about Nourish paired with Breach Surge and he went off. I'll look it up and edit my comment to show, as I'm on mobile.
Edit: It's on his 2500 hrs on Wisp video. In a response "To be honest, this is a guide video meaning >I< guide you, not >you< guide me." When someone questioned why he didn't use Nourish and said that they had positive experience withit.
@@Sal-fg3rs dude, though I can see your point, really not here to start any drama or be a trampoline to one. Just thought it was a really thought out and communicated analysis of the frame on a video format. Did not imagine this would pop up. It's their beef. Let it be their beef and let us have a nice week, shall we? ^^
I love this take on her, I’ll definitely give her another try. Again, s tier youtuber extending my playtime on this game even more ❤
Farmed a Koumei x2 gave her a try and took a bit to understand her potential. Those buffs from the decree can be insane i just hope that the coded fix goes live so that squads can help complete the challenges. She definitely will be an additional choice in my public endurance runs.
Damn, ive been binging your channel and while i dont dislike your normal format. Adding some edits like this and a good script makes you way more coherent and makes your point get across way better. Hope to see more and improved content from you. Also youve made me want to main wisp and stahlta again i havent played them since the new war came out
This video was fantastic! I just have a little different perspective on whether she’s new player friendly. In the early game, she really only needs vigilante vigor and fast deflection to stay alive (or vitality and steel fiber). Plus, her 4 kills everything early in the star chart without needing to mod for high strength. I do agree that using archon mods and galvanized mods is ideal, but I think they’re not essential before new players can access them.
showing a pupsker clip like he makes his own content LMAO
Pubsker is the biggest clickbait bot I swear it's not even good content I don't know how someone can seriously watch him
@@powerenjoyer6886 all he does is “repost and make it into a video” it’s not really content bros just a walking patch note- same thing is said about his non Warframe content
@@zack8989 Out of Interest who do you consider a good creator, i even think Brozime is 50/50 sometimes
Seriously thank you for breaking down Koumei so well. I’m gonna have to test her out now with what I just learned
Super good video and honestly the best take on her I've seen yet. Great work informing people about the pseudo-RNG on her dice rolls (although I don't blame any players or even content creators for not knowing about it).
IMO it's kind of crazy how much Koumei existing causes warframe players to trip over themselves in a race to see who can contradict themselves the fastest.
Pre-Koumei: "Brozime is bad because he says that Lavos is best suited as a weapon's platform instead of trying to make his abilities work for killing enemies! I don't care about weapon builds that just abuse CO because who even does content where that matters? Also creators who only judge frames based on their ability to do endless runs are stupid because that isn't relevant!"
Post-Koumei: "Brozime is terrible at the game because he's building around Koumei's abilities and trying to make them good at killing enemies when she's *obviously* supposed to be a weapon's platform! Her abilities allow you to abuse CO which is incredible for killing enemies in high level content! Creators who rate her based on her ability to do regular missions are just mEtA sLaVeS and don't understand that she *clearly* shines in endless runs!"
I don't see how people contradict themselves. He was wrong on both cases because he was trying to do something that frames were not supposed to do.
@@kintingkam6704 respect
Very solid assessment. Love the insight and thoughts, with objective evidence to boot instead of..... Well. The intro def spoke for itself.
She's def like my top 5 now too. I fuckin love her gameplay loop and I'm hopeful that the reimplementation of the buff to her 2 will come soon. 🙏
I adore Komei, Cedo & Harmony work sooooo good on her. She is not bad, she is not broken, she is just a good frame.
This is exactly what I've been trying to tell people I'm glad that someone else agrees and can spread the knowledge of how good she actually is
A VIDEO LETS GO AND IT LOOKS GOOD
I found her really fun to play mainly solo, I did a survival incursion recently and accidentally stayed there for 20 minutes just spamming 4 & using roar to soft nuke. I do think her 2nd and 3rd could use some QOL changes, for example I think her 2 needs to go on cooldown IMMEDIATELY after it’s cast, not just when you complete the challenge. Her 3rd needs the weird cooldown removed, same with the random cooldown on her 4th. Other than that she is incredibly fun rolling decree after decree and (like I said previously) soft nuking with her 4.
Koumei is the warframe Im most curius about. I never listen to big Wf youtubers, and they seem to hate her so. Win/win
Thank you, i will give her a try in longer missions.
Your in depth Videos are awesome. Keep up the good work
My koumei is sitting at 6 forma and I’m still convinced she’s overpowered lol
RIP 6 formas
@ shes the best endurance frame in the game to me by a long shot
just put in my 7th lol
@@jedolubaju8527 idk what else i could improve upon honestly
@@Arrazax revenant?
love this new kind of format
Good informative vid. Thx mr moug
Dang this is a good video. Its nice to see an actual fair take from someone who did extensive testing on the frame. A lot of the other youtubers just do clickbait and try to get strong reactions
thanks, moug. this is excellent content! i'm very wary of following people who make builds, buldtech is one of my fav parts of the game! but this, this is good content! I'm gonna sub.
Also, your idea for her 2 and team synergies is a really fresh take! i love it. only, the team buffs should be time limited.
1hour in. Even the comment section is split in half. haha. As human as we get, we just cant help but compare with our bias/faves or dislike her because of a mechanic. I don't have Komei yet(lazy LR3 and..) as I prefer playing Ability frames over Weapons platform but given how heavy her abilities will impact her weapons, I will build her and have fun with her just like how this vid looks fun to me. Thanks!
I love koumei, I feel like she’s underrated and I still find her so much fun to play as in any mission but she’s good for long missions my opinion
I'm not going to bother to convince people how good of a frame she is by now. I did a 2h SP circulum fissure with her and I had such a good time, I could easily go longer but I guess I made myself the point that she's not bad. If you really can't kill x amount of enemies while airborne/wall latching/sliding then that's just a skill issue, sorry not sorry
It’s a huge issue within Warframe that a TON of the top creators do not understand mechanics which wouldn’t be so bad if they didn’t pretend to act like they know everything and their opinion of things are facts. Last week I was arguing with one of them cause he didn’t understand why the combo duration mods he had on was using its base combo duration to calculate it and was telling me the game DOESNT USE CALCULATIONS BASED ON THE BASE STATS. Like I couldn’t understand how dumb he was after he couldn’t comprehend that that’s not how mods work or you would get different stats depending on which ones you put on first 🤦♂️
and then there is me with trinity going godmode for 50 minutes on any steel path mission.... with 1 forma investment btw (the top creatiors are never touching that frame)
@@dominikpatrikmolnar5176 My philosophy about warframe at this point is that you can make everything break the game, but the "worse" the frame the harder is to find the god build that will destroy everything in steel path.
But since most people all they wanna do is run incarnon weapons and base themselves of what to play on tierlist and pick builds they found on youtube without any intencion to making the build better or stress test it somewhere rough (alchemy steelpath deimos is an good place for that)
Which creator was that
Very well said and informative
Koumei is one of those frames I want to love, bus struggle to find a build that works. I am not giving up on her, but I still have found how to make her reslly fun and powerful.
P.S: also, yed I would love a Koumei deep dive and multiple build examples if possible. Let's pray she gets the buffs she deserve.
tbh i'm not surprised by the reaction of knightmare frame, bro litteraly compared the tenet glaxion (with a toxin element i think) to the torid, obviously it's weaker (and tbh both are good, just different uses)
Personally as someone who been doing endless with the torid as my main weapon for years, to come back and see ppl use torid made me happy, untill I realize they wont using the torid, DE is gonna gut a weapon with low base damage cause ppl are using the not torid
Reminder that brozime said pre rework inaros was a good tank and then died to a junction specter on it
Ty for your unbiased review. I think the problem with many of these big “unknowledgable/based” content creators is that they are trying to push out content so fast (to keep up their subs/momentum) that they can’t adequately research the topics at hand. A lot of warframe’s mechanics are confusing and just not easily apparent, even for veterans, so you really have to test everything to understand how it works which takes time. Again thanks for doing so, might give Koumei a try now.
Liked her since day one🤝
Haters gonna hate.
TELL EM MOUG🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥
I'm honestly just so sick of some of these content creators and the cult followings they've spawned. Brozime doesn't even understand a basic yet pivotal function of Limbo's kit that is literally written in an ability description, why would i ever take him seriously about literally anything else in the game that's even slightly complex? And all their followers do is just personally attack anyone that disagrees
I'm just glad we still have creators like you and a few others that actually understand or try to understand mechanics and dont mislead your audience
I know you are not literally sick of them, but why does it even "affect" you?
if you look at their situation, they are first and foremost entertainers who earn food and rent by making people interact with them on 2-3 plattforms.
Just think of they have to juggle to actualy earn a living:
-be controversial/over the top to increase interaction
-not to controversial to not alienate viewers
-not to complicated or boring to make viewer quit your video prematurely (view time is a money vektor)
-chasing growing mechanisms to get more viewers to replace quitting/inactive viewers
all of this on top of an algorithm which forces you to contantly release content
AND STILL being completetly relying on 2 plattforms and one single game
I find it only natural that a) quality can occasionally or permanent dip and b) aim for a cult following, since they would simply lose everything without them
So, surprisingly im here, watching a moug video as a wisp main. I agree 100% with the 2nd most used behind wisp.
Playing koumei in solo survival makes playing fun. Playing her in pretty much any other content is not. She is my new omnia frame for sure.
Still waiting for her to come up in the circut so i can finally experience double decrees
Your pseudo rng argument kind of mixes up a few things its not just a gaming thing. In your real world example with the coinflip it actually does not "not" matter after the first flip. The chance for heads is 50% but the chance for two heads in a row is 25% ergo switching two tails after head has been thrown is a statistical advantage. This isnt any pseudo rng its just how probability works. IN Games though there can be hidden weighting systems or imperfect rng that influences that like her ability scaling the rng. So I feel some of what you tak about is just general statistics and some stuff is quirks with her RNG implementation.
my biggest issue with her is it doesn't feel particularly good to get the more clunky or less desirable decrees, and then have to wait X amount of time to get to try again. (I.e finisher grant x buff, or viral double jumps)
Yeah I completely agree with you, every time I hear someone saying "koumei is trash" I always laugh and respond with a "she's only for big dick tenno, you're not ready to embrace her power" or a "get gud" lol hahaha 😂
If they say she's bad but they "main" Rev, Saryn or Octavia. Just say skill issue
@zeothesnowwolf2937 totally
We all know that’s a lie. Trying to make any excuse for using a trash frame. Tsk tsk
@@nerdy_boy2785 she's only for big dick tenno 🤘❤️
If a frame is too different it seems like most content creators don't take the amount of time they sit in level cap to figure how to use them. And if they're really good they dont make anything other then surface level knowledge because they can't imagine anything other then meta being used.
Another thing that's kinda funny is most people respond with "that's too much investment" when they only consume content from people whose neighbors probably do level capped content
Like. Loki is one of the most unkillable frames in the game but he's not picked up by these creators because he actually requires a brain and time management to be effective. Hence why all these creators worship frames like Rev because they literally just need to hit 1 button and just waltz through everything
@@zeothesnowwolf2937 Cyte-09 became the better loki tho
This mignt be the best koumei video
Amanata became one of my favorite weapons specifically because of its passive
I love pseudo rng, it's so fun
Awesome video.
Teamwide decrees is an incredible proposal that i've never heard before...
Something you might have thought of but didn't mention, is that this also helps the ability overcome one of its biggest annoyances: decrees which are useless to you, could be incredibly useful to a teammate. Finisher decrees are pretty much always useless for Koumei herself, but could benefit an Ash in your party. Baruuk would love some melee decrees. Wukong would love some Slam decrees. Mesa would love some stacking firerate on her regulators. Gauss would love increased magazine size and ammo efficiency on roll. A single player tends not to benefit from all, or even most of these, and it creates annoyance when you have to wait another 150s for your next buff after getting a useless decree. But, there's consolation in knowing it could be helping a teammate.
You still didn't address some of the key issues with Koumei's decrees though. Namely, you can lose the ability to survive via. shieldgating with decrees which increase your efficiency or give a chance for free abilities... and you can lose favorable elemental combinations by gaining decrees- the worst of which probably being Smouldering Strike blocking you from activating Melee Influence entirely.
I think between a combination of Teamwide decrees, plus the ability to right-click-deactivate decrees in the pause menu UI which displays them, Koumei could become a high tier warframe.
Be really careful about teamwide decrees, because having more than one koumei in a squad means that you will gain decrees at 2x speed. A squad of 4 koumei will be getting 8+ decrees within 2 minutes for everyone, turning the entire squad completely OP and destroying any resemblance of difficulties in this game forever.
The elements you get from her decrees are their own instance of damage so when you get the "Smouldering Strike" while running electricity on your melee the heat will not combine to make radiation.
an old video so idk if she has changed since i made her a few weeks ago
- but i gotta say she is prob the most fun and one of the best frames ive played in a long time :D the passive weapons buffs are super good / the missions are fun to do and can give amazing buffs!
and replacing her 1 for sickening pulse + running mecha set on kubrow and the 2 mods on yourself makes for some insane nukes! just hit 4 and 1 and then everything dies from a mix of electric,gas,blast and well everything els pulse puts to 10 stacks >:D
Finally got Koumei about three days ago, and I was (and am still) flabbergasted that theres fools out there telling me shes bad or "not that good" yet this is one of the only Warframes that I have actively enjoyed going into long SP Endurance missions with. Running an Omnia Fissure in SP with her feels like a never ending flow of serotonin and dopamine. Thank you for being a voice of reson amid absolute weirdos who talk trash about her.
I feel the "give squad buff on 3" would be a good augment mod.
Imagine if you will, you can hold cast 3 instead to grant a challenge to the squad, putting you on your current cooldown for it without increasing it. Or something along those lines
I find it funny how split people are on her. Reminds me of how some people veiw.. gambling?
I love koumei! Her passive is fucking insane, 1 is ok but I’d definitely subsume that out (personally doing sickening pulse just haven’t leveled up the helminth), her 2 is very fun it’s like side quests and u have to get good at things u almost never use like wall latching, 3 is weird I’ve learned to appreciate it a little more since I found out it affects shields too but I definitely think it needs a buff, and 4 is just her 1 but better in every way.
Nice review! I was getting very tired of either "The best warframe" (what everyone one says about any new warframe/prime frame that launches), or the worst because they dont like the gameplay. Thank you!
Decrees were the first thing I subsumed on her. Annoying to get, the internal cooldown between them, and the fact that the elements combine with the ones modded on weapons.
It was an instant subsume
The decrees are annoying to get but they do not combine with your mods. They are just a straight up damage buff
@@WispGraxx then I guess the change Pablo was talking about went live and I missed it.
@@Nexit_l Oh no, that change is for warframe abilities like volt's shock trooper etc. The decrees had this always which is why they were considered so OP. Its also the reason why people hear "level cap duviri" and cringe, because your weapons can do level cap modless there from just the decrees
@@WispGraxx Then I don't know why I could not proc melee influence on day one. Oh well, decrees are not needed for level cap anyway
The degrees do combine. At least the heat on melee and cold on crits.
Toxin on headshot does not combine, because it works differently.
The change Pablo suggested includes these, not just the warframe augments. It‘s supposed to go live with 1999 afaik.
One of the complaints I heard are
- 1 is unreliable or just worse version of 4
- 2 cooldown should start as son as you use it. Not when you finish the challenge
- 3 can’t be re-cast incase you got shit roll (technically you can reset by jumping off the cliff)
- 4 is good
Based Akali pfp
@@WispGraxxquick question. What would be the recommended Archon shard
1) her 1 is unreliable and a worse version of her 4, This is your subsume ability, I put Larva here to group enemies to make my 2 quick to finish.
2) The cooldown isn't as bad as people think. By the time the cooldown is high, you should already be busted powerful. That being said, when you roll Triple Sixes, cooldown should be reset.
3) 3 can be recast once you get down to 5 charms. I use a high armor build (to capitalize on power strength decree), adaptation, and shield gating So that I don't need to be invulnerable, I'm unkillable anyway.
4) is good
You asked about Archon Shards, I use 3 Tau Blue for armor and 2 Tau Red for power strength. My build reduces my Strength to 70, so I use shards to bring me back to 100. My build also leans hard into armor, 1119 base after blue shards, Arcane Guardian, Arcane Reaper, Mecha Pulse (full set) and Melee Fortification.
I’ve personally really enjoyed Koumei. With how little modding she needs for ability stats, I’ve opted to use the extra slots to make her into an energy tank, and I’ve never had a more comfortable and enjoyable 30min. survival in my life.
After this video though, I might try fitting in some strength mods and tossing on Roar.
Elegantly put.
Slight disagreement on her 4, her casting speed is far too slow (i know it can be solved with shards) but in team play, I've ran one casting speed shard, with natural talent and have primed a group with her 4, about to kill them all with afflictions sampotes, and a squad member killed them all before I finished cast (I frames for 4 cast would be nice to, usually how they solve long casts).
The idea of squad can do your challanges too is peak. Massive fan of this. Kinda makes other pubs play koumei too (the limbo effect), but if implemented well, I think I prefer this over assist kills.
Cos as of now, when I play survival, she's in a room playing by herself (and splitting spawns)
Fantastic video, and gets across the point I've been saying. Strong in solo play, frustrating in squad play.
Finally a person who gives a compliment without overly glazing the content creator. All I see is omg I never knew I could play that way. These other youtubers didn’t give this X a fair take. Im gonna actually play with her now. ie: it take youtubers for you to pick up and play a frame or test out an interaction in a game. Same applies for the people who didn’t play with kubrows and surprised that they have the potential to nuke rooms. Some was doing that before the kubrows rework. Difference is now its all and more convenient.
Also I agree Koumei is a Solo Frame and not really new player friendly.
It´s literally the rng aspect, personally in some long survivals i got god deecres and i love her, while other times i got to extract bcuz the shitty deecres, specifically the one that imbues your melee with fire, although, the +2mins its not my fav thing in the world, but i give her 7/10.
My Koumei is doing SP with a budget build. No shards.The only strength mod she is using maxed Blind Rage with Fleeting Expertise, Boreal's Hatred, and Equilibrium to counter the energy efficiency hit. Primed Continuity to counter the Duration hit. Rolling Guard to cover Omimari fails and negate harmful status effects. Redirection and Fast Deflection for shield management. Steel Charge in my aura for extra melee damage. Arcane Aegis and Avenger. No Archon Mods. Trust me she is so good you don't need a Helminth. Why do TH-camrs axe her 1? Spam that shit, shoot, and send them to heaven. Aim her 1 on the ground and watch enemies die. Big gap from her 1? Cast it again and no more gaps. It's her cheapest ability. Cast that sh!t😂😂😂 Her passive is all you need and her abilities clean up the leftovers still alive. Crowd anxiety? Cast her 4. They will even dance for you😂😂😂
so from my expermintation with Koumei she herself does not do alot of dmg but she is an AMAZING primer with the amount of status you can spread. which makes guns/weapons do tons of dmg with condition overload and galvanized aptitude. the only thing in her kit that i personally find kind of subpar is her survivability as its 'random' but you can supliment that with arcanes/helminth/shards and adaption or rolling gaurd.
I put my ability strength pretty stupid high as like 355% ish and another 60% from molt aug and 40% from madurai and i didnt really notice more triple 6s. I once had to roll 14 times before i got one so it def seemed like it didnt do much for me then. I did notice it seemed like the avg of my rolls were higher as i would roll at least 1 six very often and didnt see too many rolls beneath 16.
We need a lot more Koumei players all recording their rolls and playing with different amounts of power strength to genuinely see if it does play a role since pablo isnt likely to tell us the truth under the hood there. Regardless, pwoer strength should affect all her rolls anyway. Her whole thing is cheating/changing fate, so her not having any way to cheat her own dice makes no sense. So this one change alone would enhance her from a gameplay AND lore perspective.
I definitely think we need to have that koumei experiment. I was and still am very curious about exactly how the dice work under the hood and i feel like we're all taking big guesses as to how they work and if we are going to go anecdotal here then we need larger sample sizes, at least 100 dice rolls per different ability strengths and other koumei players need to try it so we can cross reference the results. If there IS something to power strength and her dice then finding out exactly how it works and the perfect strength amount to sit at would make her feel miles better to play since pablo doesnt look like her will be buffing or tweaking her anytime soon.
Also bonus question, noticed u had 2 mecha mods. Does the stat spread stack with 2? or are you just using the armor one for that one "ability strength from armor" decree?
Koumei is incredible, she just has a few outstanding flaws like you brought up. HOWEVER, the way she plays just isn't for me, and also the gambling aspect to me at least feels quite unfulfilling. like you said, getting 20+ total matters more than 3x6 most of the time. the lows aren't low enough and the 3x6 highs are just slightly better than getting a good total roll (on her 1 and 4, at least.)
Just wait 3 months after a warframe drops and check youtube for "nukeframe" videos more or less. That's how you avoid this fodder content.
So before i acquired Koumei,i thought she'd be terrible. Now that I've leveled her up, she's pretty fun to use and great if you like spreading elemental status around like it's going outta style. I also found that she's a bit different to build compared to other frame builds. The only ability i didn't like is the decree one because some of the tasks are crazy, however, i do like that i can cancel it if i don't like it and try again once the cool down ends.
I fed her to my dog in the ship did not Enjoy playing Her.
Koumei is genuinely a hell of a lot of fun, especially with her synergy with condition overload weapons and beasts. I do agree that she needs some improvements, but she already is powerful. If anything, it might just focus on QoL and filling in the holes that her kit has.
General: I wish DE displayed ingame that Koumei's dice have pseudo RNG that scales with Ability Strength. Gara's passive has been documented by the DE themselves (in patch notes) to have pseudo RNG (base 15% chance to blind on ability cast, +20% everytime it fails to proc). Koumei would greatly benefit from this being displayed, and it wouldn't really betray her game design either. Gacha games come with pseudo RNG in the form of pity rate in character/item wishing pools, so Koumei also openly displaying psudo RNG wouldn't be too far off.
1st ability: Deploy a slow moving star and a sweep of threads that deal a random status effect. The star periodically deploys more threads targeting nearby enemies, replacing any old strings if exceeding the thread count cap.
The ability already comes with a star that deploys all the threads randomly. If they leaned more into this star and made it a constant trapper, it would help separate the ability from her 4th. It might also bring some synergy with her 4th, filling in the status effects that the 4th ability didn't apply.
2nd ability: Imo the maximum 150s cooldown is fair enough considering how OP her decrees are. However, the cooldown ramping reaching the cap after just 8 challenges feels limiting. If DE is insistent on keeping the base ramping, but wanted to make the ability more exciting, it might be cool if increasing Ability Efficiency lowered the ramping. That way, Koumei can complete more challenges before reaching the 150s cooldown cap. There would be a tradeoff of wanting more decrees quickly at the cost of taking up mod slots for other stats.
As for the team play issue, they could add an augment where challenge completions award the whole squad with a random Lohk Surge (from the Zariman/Sanctum) on top of the decree for Koumei.
3rd ability: To put it simply, it just needs more feedback that the triple sixes effect is actually working. Even when I know I casted it with triple sixes, I still feel uneasy in fights because the Omamoris look just like her normal ability cast.
4th ability: Similar to the 3rd ability, it needs to be made more clear that the triple sixes effect is working. Maybe they could make it clear that the stacks are distributed among 3 status effects, and then they can make the triple sixes effect distribute stacks across a whole lot more status effects (alongside the other triple six effects)
I like to run Arcane Blessing and I'm considering Arcane Guardian too in addition with my two armor shards because of the Decree that turns armor into strength, Arcane Guardian alone gives you 90% strength per point of that decree up to 270% just from that, combine that with some shards and maybe some other decrees and you can easily reach the cap of 500% strength. With Arcane Blessing and all this armor plus dmg reduction decree, I can tank into crazy high levels. My fav way to play her so far.
It's just large content creators with dog water builds not understanding how Koumei is played spreading misinformation, this happens literally all the the time until the eventual "I was wrong about [Insert Warframe]..." video drops months after the damage has already been done.
Just because something doesn't clear a room in 0.5 seconds doesn't mean it's bad.
Make it so we can pick and choose decrees, and she is instantly lot better along with buffing her 3rd and she is ok
I have 2600 hours in the game have played every frame and my personal opinion is she is a walking primer. Her decree system is better than most give it credit for. In a survival mission I rolled all 6s on her 2, two times in a row since I've been using her in the past week I've gotten all 6s more than 20 times. Her 1 and 4 synergize together really well n her survivability is very good.
Im loving cummy, tossed 5 tau movement speeds on her.
Gotta go quick
COOM-E
I like Koumei, I think she is good, she needs some adjustment to make her better, her strings being on a timer instead of max count would be nice. The only reason I haven't been playing her is that she is less fun in squad play (the main mode I play) due to her 2 being so easy for your team to mess up, making having a team feel like a debuff. That's just not fun and I hope they fix it soon.
Gaz actually say she's "ok"
WOULD x 40
shes so bad she cant nuke with her 4 please reconsider remaking this video
(good editing tho fr)
but she can 😭
Someone hasn’t discovered mecha empowered
@@FatherLegDayis there a hell?
@@corn_enthusiast believe me i've seen it
@@WispGraxx beat me to it 😢
Yes I understand her better but she still sits in my foundry along with Jade and a Dante I've made for helminth food
No it didn’t split the community in half, there is third part where don’t give a damn because koumei isn’t even interesting
@@Yesuhey so a third party that's objectively wrong
My personal tests on the effect of ability strength on Koumei's dice over 100 rolls:
100% strength = 48 rolls equal or above 20 and 9 triple 6s
170% strength = 50 rolls equal or above 20 and 12 triple 6s.
The numbers seems so strange that the number of rolls above 20 barely changes, while the number of triple 6s changed by more than 30%. Although it is data I collected myself, I believe that it is by no means a reliable source of proof that strength does positively affect Koumei's dice probability, and could possibly just be a fluke, and I hope more people would test it for a more concrete conclusion.
P.S. If anyone else also tested it, preferably with at least 100 rolls or more, please reply to this comment with your results.
See thats exactly what I said. It doesn't change how many rolls above 20 you get its how many rolls that are same or above 20 are triple sixes. I had around 6 people test this exact thing and we all got similar results. There must be something internally that increases the chance with your strength
I only did 32 tests each, so obviously less statistical significance.
10% ability strength: 12 above 19, 2 tripple 6s, average 17,8.
412% ability strength: 14 above 19, 5 tripple 6s, average 18,6.
Among both tests, the longest streak of below 20 I got was 5 times; and both tests got two of these low streaks.
The longest I went without tripple 6 was 14 and 11 attempts on low strength and 7 attempts on high strength.
The longest I went without any 6 at all is 2 attempts on both test runs.
I‘m honestly not convinced there is any way to predict the next roll like how it was demonstrated with crits; at least I couldn‘t see any pattern in the rolls. But I also didn‘t note down the dice in order, maybe that is something I‘ll test if I have the time.
never thought about abusing the rng, i knew it existed but never thought abt it, hmm wonder if there is other things we can use this for that ppl havent thought of
Heres some change I think Id make to koumei personally.
Dice rolls no longer apply to your current casting ability, rather it applies to your next ability. This means you can possibly spam your one and use it to proc other triple six abilities. Might be a bit busted possibly.
But a less busted one is Omikuji when the challenge is refused, goes on its own cooldown maybe 20 seconds if a normal challenge, 15 seconds for a penalty one, scaling negatively with duration.
Numbers could be bigger, but I feel tossing your cooldown can feel liek sunk cost fallacy WAY too much. Making it not build a cooldown could really help people bite the bullet, but it being longish should make people consider just doing it.
Decree rarity scaling with strength would be nice. Even if it was just a few percents at a time.
Last one which is also iffy, maybe an augment, you can reroll your last decree while the ability is on cooldown at the cost of 25 energy and an increased Omikuji timer
Also hard agree on her 1. It's really feast or famine. I made a meme build with coil horizon that does no damage at 300 strength, one triple six and everyone fucking evaporates the moment they get dragged into the wires.
Also, there's a mechanic where lifted or ragdolled enemies constantly take hits from threads, but for some reason she can't take advantage of it at all. Really seems like a misplay
10:57 Lore accurate Zarr gameplay
He really thinks he's NovaUmbral
crazy that pseudo crits in league very evidently exist, when people like august have said MULTIPLE TIMES that they dont. the transparency in that game is abysmal
Remember folks, no warframe is objectively bad.
That is objectively false
Do you have your sicarus build uploaded somewhere? Is it the same build as the video you first uploaded about it when the incarnon came out? if you can also post the ogris build that would be sick too! great video as always, there was a lot of information about her i didn't know about
Yep
Koumei...simultaneously the (potentially) most powerful frame in the game and the most frustrating to use that makes her (potentially) incredible power not worth fighting for...
Potential Woman moment.
The trick is to prepare for any potential decree. If your build can exploit any decree, then all it takes is 2 or 3 to become absolutely busted, and you can get 2 or 3 in two minutes.
I just want to see the dice for the next cast and don't have cooldown for complete challenge
Sir Moug, could I respectfully ask for that Kuva Ogris build?, it looks very fun, thank you ;u;