The Ugly Truth About Your Engines Oil Filter - It Will Let You Down When You Really Need It The Most
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ก.ค. 2024
- Everybody knows that clean, filtered oil is essential to the long healthy life of an internal combustion engine. The manufacturers cite the quality and construction of their media as the mark of a good filter, and to an extent that is true
But, what is never talked about is how that filtration only happens during the mildest of circumstances, and that the majority of the time your engine is running, some if not all of the oil entering the engine is actually diverted around the filter element completely.
Here's how this works, and what you need to know, especially if you're dealing with a high performance or race engine.
You won't like it.
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*@Uncle Tony* I know you know this, but you forgot to mention WHY there's a low pressure bypass in oil filters. For those who don't know though: that bypass system actually NEEDS to be there because above a certain PSI, the oil can't flow through the microscopic holes in the filter media fast enough, so they put a pre-determined PSI bypass in there to keep the oil pump's pressure from blowing out the filter media. It's not an ideal filter design, but without making the oil filter much, much larger to accommodate 40-60+ PSI of oil filtering capability, they put in an oil pressure bypass instead. Sadly, it's just a necessary byproduct of such a small screw-on filter design.
YES! Finally someone got it right!!
Haha forgot about that. Somehow that seems like it might not be so easy. I’ll bet the used filter would be softer than lanolin.🤪
Youre missing one important factor, flow rate of specific viscoty oil through filter media at what it is rated for in microns. Say a 30wt at 10cst "centistokes" rated at 200 degrees. Oil thins out as the engine warms so the bypass can function during a severe cold start when the oil is essentially a soft mushy brick in your oil pan if its conventional oil.
Gregory Lyan, nailed it !
@@rickpatterson7438 ive looked over so many brands and viscosities of oil and even some of the most top notch oils have a maximum permitted API viscosity of 6,600 at -30 degrees. They hit about 12 at 200 degrees. To go from 5k to just 10 thats how much oil thins out during warmup. Every day. Every trip. And that was an API rating for amsoil OE api certification.
The bypass works on differential pressure across the media and not just a static value. At 40 pounds pressure you may only exhibit 10 psi differential across that media, thus with a 20 psi setting for the bypass spring, the bypass remains closed. The bypass is open a lot on more or less any filter but its not based on the static pressure you read on your oil pressure gauge.
So if you don't mind can you answer a question or two. I own a 65 Mustang with a 302 that at cold start is at 82 psi. Once warm its around 40. It will drop below 30 at idle when good and warm. Am I filtering any oil at all? I know K&N sells two different filters. One I believe they advertise as ia high-flow, the other as a high filtration. I went with the high-flow because I didn't want to increase oil pressure. Any information you could give me would be appreciated thank you.
The differential also drops drastically as the engine warms up. Oil flow through the media increases as it thins out. At 200 degrees when the average 30wt oil is at its rated viscosity around like 10Cst. It goes through that media like water. And higher rpm shouldnt affect the filter flow unless the unload valve in the pump fails then it will likely blow the filter clean apart 😅.
I'll stick with my VW oem filters and not mind the cost , because the bypass is something nuts like close to 35-40psi.
Or any of their own supplier like mahle Bosch or mann.
@@MrTheHillfolk theres a good reason too. VW rated and licensed oils such as vw502 and vw505 can go as high up as 50wt oils om the hot side. Vw understood this and added such bypass requirements
@@BPattB i may be able to help you, oil weight is a factor here the reduction of pressure is the increase of flow. So when cold the pressure behind your bearings is 80psi when oil heats up it becomes more and more fluid and flows much greater volume. Thus at idle you could see only 30psi but at the same time the oil is flowing much faster to its destination and in greater volume depending on oil pump. Now 80psi is the limit inside your oil pump relief. The spring is limited at around that psi or is now overcoming that spring all together when cold. Take that measurement hot at operating temp of your thermostat, at roughly above idle preferably higher at like 1500-2krpm. That is your spring limit. At that temp your oil is flowing the fastest and easiest it cam and that just shows your pumps pressure limit but NOT its volume.
Normally UT is spot on, but I think the spring reacting to the pressure differential before and after the filter versus the oil pressure of the engine is significant. It would seem that this would challenge UTs theory that no filtration is happening at highway speeds
When Tony said "its doing Zero Filtering" i disagree because the filter media is still under pressure of oil flow against spring
I'm having a hard time believing that the oil filter is functional pretty much only at idle and not during 2000rpm cruising. Because that would make the oil filter pretty pointless, and something gives me the feeling that people haven't been using oil filters for the last 100 years for no reason.
And you are correct and Tony messed up on this one. That large spring only seats the cartridge to the top of the can. Any pressure pushing down on the filter media is also pushing up from the bottom. The bypass is built into the filter media and uses a separate and smaller spring.
@Jared Lancaster Right. Oil filter takes everything from the pump. If the filter gets clogged, there’s a bypass mechanism, but that only works on differential pressure across the filter. UT stepped in it pretty hard here.
VW bug /Beetle never did have a paper one and they made milijons of them (@8min) th-cam.com/video/LJD28DD4fT4/w-d-xo.html
@@ChrisPBacon-ok7ir almost correct its the differential pressure between the inside and the outside of the filter media is equal the bypass is close only when the pressure drop across the filter media exceeds the bypass spring pressure will the valve open like in a clog filter condition or a cold start in 32f and lower
Bypass valve is closed 99% of the time the engine is running
I am so old, I knew engineers at WIX that would throw hands when you called a pressure differential valve a bypass
You are 100% corrrect ... was a long term 'filtration engineer' That 'valve' prevents turbulence (higher resistance to oil flow inside the filter material) during momentary extreme engine rpm episodes ..... and clogged / dirty filters.
@@richh1576 did they give you one of these hats ?
Tony. You’re wrong. It’s a differential pressure valve that measures pressure drop across the media.
Engine Engineers aren’t stupid
I've been mistaken before, but I was reasonably sure the bypass rating on those valves is calibrated for the _differential pressure_ across the inlet and outlet, not the overall pressure in the system. I have several vehicles that never have oil pressure below the bypass rating of the filter, which generally is something like 8-22psi depending on the application. The implication of that would be that the filter _never_ filters any oil at all. I find that difficult to believe... The motor oil on my non-filtered power equipment looks like tar after 50 hours and my filtered automotive engine oil can look like new for hundreds.
Tony is wrong on this, the pressure differential is absolutely different than the engines oil pressure he is referring to. The pressure that builds in the filter increases as the filter clogs with time and its internal pressure increases, at a point it will open the bypass valve. The main engine pressure is on the other side of the valve 😂. The top valve he shows is the oil drain back valve that prevents dry starts. He's really spreading misinformation here.
@@glitchtriple6 yes ,it's a differential situation
Yup 100% right, the spring is merely bypassing whatever oil cannot go through the filter, and that's the whole point of it.
Someone needs to market a transparent filter
No you are rigth he wrong this would make no sense if tony was rion this one it absolutely based on differential pressure and ther not 2 bypass valve this is just absurd
Filter schmilter....my 55 year old VW is still on its original engine and only has a screen for catching chunks AND IT LIKES IT THIS WAY 😉
Exactly!!! There were a ton of them driving around, and all of them lasted longer than a yugo!!!
Is this the same VW air cooled engine that is well known for only lasting 50-60k miles under normal use ? And a major reason is that they have no oil filter ? Me thinks yes.
@@joncrisler6001 Has nothing to do with filtration...airflow to cylinder #3 is partially blocked by the oil cooler so it runs hotter. The airflow issue was fixed in '72 or so with an offset oil cooler and can be retrofitted to older engines
The air cooled VW oil and air filters work on physics. The sieve part stops the large chunks and the way the oil\air is forced to do a very sharp right angle turn makes the metal or dust get caught due to centrifugal force. It's how the South Africans enriched their uranium to build their bombs and fuel their two power stations.
Lol
Wow. He is totally wrong. That cartridge has a pressure balance on the top and bottom. That’s not how the bypass works. It acts on a pressure differential across the filter not what your actual oil pressure is.
The pressure differential that the spring acts on is between the outer media and inner, not top and bottom
@@UncleTonysGarage right but you showed the whole cartridge moving up and down which is wrong. Also your statements about it being in bypass mode is also wrong. The filter maybe has a 5-10psi drop across it so you oil pressure could be 60psi at 5000 rpm and the oil is still going thru the media. You should fix this video.
I never doubted you, but im sure it only opens the bypass when there is resistance in the media which causes a pressure differential
How would horizontal pressure cause vertical movement?
How to keep your oil clean. Change it !
Sorry but this is completly wrong , the vavle works on pressure differential from the inlet of the filter to the outlet of the filter , so only if the pressure going in to the filter is 20 PSI higher then coming out it will bypass to ensure the engine gets oil if the filter is clogged for some reason.
Pretty sure I believe this explanation. A fairly consistent volume of oil needs to be flowing and filtration would only be bypassed when necessary.
And it does so via a separate bypass valve and spring in the bottom of the media cartridge. The large spring is just there to hole things together tight. Tony screwed up on this one.
Yes! usually agree with Tony but he entirely off- it’s pressure differential. A 20lb bypass could kick on at a 30>10 split but not 30>20. or open at 60>40, yet not at 60>45
Oh great one, I find I must disagree. The bypass operates on the differential pressure between the inlet (oil pump outlet) and the outlet (the rest of the engine). (If what you are saying was true, if an oil filter had no media, there would be no oil pressure developed.) So, if a filter has a 20 psi bypass valve, there must be 20 psi of backpressure developed by the media before the bypass will open. This will only happen if the media is getting pretty plugged. This is why they are called full flow oil filters, because they filter all oil after the oil pump and before the engine. The older cars 216 - 235 Chev six, for example) were built without an oil filter. If you ordered the oil filter option, they bled off a little oil after the pump, which was filtered, then sent back to the oil pan. This reduced the oil pressure, but not by much. Only a little of the oil was thus filtered, but of course eventually it all got filtered.
The pressure is determined largely by how tight the engine's tolerance are - hence Bottle Rocket having practically none. If the filter were causing that much back pressure it would be severely limiting the oil supply to the engine.
@@DuckyHunter812 Please forgive my ignorance - I never was the brightest bulb on the tree. I didn't make my point clearly, which is a common problem with the written word. What I was trying to say was: the oil pressure generated by the engine (bearing clearances, etc) doesn't matter. If the oil filter media generates > 20 psi backpressure (due to high viscosity oil, plugged media, etc), the bypass will start to open, assuring adequate flow of oil to the engine, although obviously unfiltered, the thought being that adequate flow of even unfiltered oil is better than inadequate flow of filtered oil. (I suppose on reading this later I will find it inadequate too, but it 's the best I can do right now.)
I thought these things operated on pressure differentials - i.e. the difference between the pressure going in and the pressure going out. The setting of 10 to 20 PSI (actually PSID) would make a bit more sense to me.
This is the correct answer. The pressure differential is not the same as the pressure being applied by the pump.
Yeah most people don't understand between differential and static pressure. If there is 40 pounds static but only 10 pounds differential across the media, with a 15 pound spring the bypass remains closed. So this entire video is incorrect lol
Why does the bypass exist at all? Is it there to let more oil flow at high rpm so engine doesnt starve of oil or something?
It does
Yes what Bill said is correct its just unfortunate that this disinformation will reach a lot of uneducated people in a cult format. Lubrication engineers have spent decades designing these filters and engines. Its called "full flow lubrication" for a reason set apart from the 1950s bypass systems which i do have on old flatheads. Its an honest mistake and im sure as close as tony is to big brains like David vizard someone may be able to correct him and this video taken down.
Sorry but the spring or stamped steel butterfly is in the can to hold the filter media in place. It has nothing to do with bypass.
Agree 100% UT is wrong
I've been changing oil since 1987 and this is the first time I've thought of that. Thanks uncle Tony!
The spring at the bottom is not the "bypass". That spring is there only to hold the filter cartridge tightly against the top of the filter can. The actual bypass valve is inside the filter cartridge at the bottom.
Agree, there is only 1 "by-pass" or pressure differential valve. That big heavy spring is to seat the media to the can.
@@scrappy7571 why would they use a spring then, and not just a spacer ?
@@kellismith4329 With a spring, the tolerances can be sloppy. A spacer would require precise parts to be made, spring is cheaper.
Correct. I look forward to another video from Tony to clear this up. Hey, everyone is wrong once in awhile.
I would say it's a second bypass as a product of design. It's not that it pushes the filter media down compressing the spring, but oil could get forced between where the two surfaces meet at the top of the pressure was high enough. How much that is relative to the main bypass IDK.
Tony, I’ve never thought about this and it makes perfect sense. That’s why you see exploded/shredded parts in valleys and pans. Wow. As an old shade tree guy ((76) I’ve never thought of this. And of course there’s no mention on oil filter specs noting the psi rating on the by pass valves. Good one Tony.
You been fooled or tony is dumb on this one
The valve work on differential pressure ie pressure drop across the filter media
System pressure is irrelevant
15 years as a BMW Motorcycle tech/service/parts manager I have had to explain this a thousand times. Mostly to the people that spin a fram from a toyota onto a BMW motorcycle to save money because "it spins right on" not realizing that there is a 60psi difference between them. Many engines died, to bring them this information...
Tempted to dent the cap and boost the spring pressure now, turn it from an outtie to an innie lol. The flap by the threads is an anti drain back. Heard it prevents it all from going to the bottom end by just gravity.
First the spring he talk about is not the bypass valve it's the center button he point at the end of the video
Denting the filter will do nothing
And it work on differential pressure(pressure drop)what he said make no sense
@@legros731 He put up a new one correcting things. The spring is the pressure differential bypass, it allows the media cartridge to move out of the way above 20 psi.
First off i enjoy your videos... The function of the coil spring in the bottom is to keep the entire assembly inside pushed together... The bypass is the hole in the bottom of the end cap that is spring loaded with a predetermined pressure spec'ed for the application... Some filters don't have bypasses at all due to it being internal to the engine!! The full oil pressure of your engine is not rushing through the filter bypass, it is the static difference or the left over pressure that could not make it's way through the filtering element because of either restriction, cold start or high viscosity oil..!! Bottom line is use a nonrestrictive filter, change your oil and filter regularly, use the correct viscosity of oil and the oil filter will rarely be in bypass mode!! Love your channel btw!!
Thanks Uncle Tony I watched many reviews of oil filters and no one ever mentioned anything about that. Definitely something to consider or think about.Awesome presentation ❤
Great review Uncle Tony i learn something new everyday . Watched program years ago where some of those cheap after market filters were cut open and there was nothing on the inside
The squirrels are getting slower.
Great information as always! Thanks, UT, for keeping on grinding!
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I've been trying to explain this to customers forever!
If the filter is full of oil that same amount of pressure is also acting on the bottom of the filter media assembly, pushing it upward in the same direction as the spring. Just a thought. Not as simple as just the incoming oil pushing down against the bypass spring.
Exactly, the cartridge acts different once it is flooded and at equal pressure
Pascal’s law.
A high velocity, the oil will push down some. There's 3 things going on here. But sometimes that big spring is a leaf instead. I like oversize filters. Probably a waste but I'm thinking about cold flow rates. My Penny's worth. I'm just a nerd.
LOL, I see vids comparing filters all the time and they never really mention the pressure bypass! This definitely needed to be said UT! Learned this during Mercruiser training many years ago. Good stuff UT! KUDOS!!!
I haven't heard this in a long long time. You rock Uncle Tony!
that big lower spring it's just to keep the filtering element snugly sealed against the top plate... have in mind that oil pressure once passing through the rubber anti-return membrane acts in all filter element surfaces (top + lower plates + filtering media). The only bypass is that small hole - at lower side of the filtering element.
Bingo, someone finally stated the true job of what tony mistakenly called a bypass valve. That springs job is to hold the element up. Any oil pressure pushing The element down against that spring will also be pushing up on the element with the same amount of force. That’s why there’s an actual bypass valve in the bottom of the element that will open when the media becomes restricted. I was taught when attending a very expensive seminar given by a filter manufacturer.
@@davidleonard8369 100% correct! UT is wrong.
@@davidleonard8369 why is it a spring then ? If you wanted to hold the cartridge stationary you could use anything much cheaper than a mfr’d spring
@@kellismith4329 the spring is a very inexpensive way to hold the element up. Not only does the same spring work for multiple different filters it requires no special installation or tooling as it is simply dropped in during assembly. It also will automatically compensate for thermal expansion and contraction. So in essence the spring is simply the best way to do the job.
WOW!!!! Talk about teaching an old dog (that's me @ 69 yr's of age) new tricks. Thanks Uncle Tony, your the best. God bless.
Your truely a wealth of knowledge! Always look forward to any informational videos you post!
Thanks UT. I've worked on cars and even in a parts store but never knew this.
you still dont!
And you still don't because he wrong as fuck lol
From Leo: Good report Tony. Filters are a good thing and they help. (I had an old Dodge that had a canister filter on the fender and it only filtered a little oil on return). If you keep the oil changed, a filter is not even needed. I drove over 90,000 miles on an XS 650 Yamaha that does not even have a filter, just a bronze screen in the sump to strain out the big pieces. The guy I sold it to rode it all the way to Seattle from Chicago that week and was still riding it a year later. CB series Honda's just had a centrifugal cup on the end of a shaft that trapped any metal chips behind a little lip in the spinning cup.
I had no idea! Crazy! Thank you so very much for the knowledge Uncle Tony!
Interesting information. Another reason to use the dipstick and keep an eye on the condition of the oil.
Interesting false info
The valve work on differential pressure across the filter element
Ie pressure drop
What he said make absolutely no sense
So I might as well use the cheapest filter and continue to change my oil every 3 thousand miles like I have been doing since I bought it new. Thanks for this. I had no idea.
Wish you could do a talk on the old Frantz filter system. Some called it the 'toilet paper' system. One roll and one quart of oil! We also went to a dry-sump system on anything that drove to the strip, then ran, then drove home.
Frantz filter systems are back.
My 1974 VW Bettle, which I purchase new in 1974, never used an oil filter. All it had was a screen. When I changed the valve cover gaskets at 95K the insides were spotless. Take that for what its worth.
The oil pressure flow that comes inside the oil filter applys equally at the top surface and at the bottom surface of the filter cartridge, so the bottom spring always overcome and maintain the cartridge against the top, made with a steel wire the bottom spring is the cheapest solution used to get top cartridge sealing as it force the cartridge against the top rubber seal (also called anti-drain back seal). This avoid oil from going directly to the exit of the cartridge without filtration. The cartridge never move inside . The bypass when it exists acts when differential pressure due to media clogging allows oil flow to go through it because it is less restrictive than going through the média. When there is not bypass in the oil filter the bypass is located in the oil filter mount.
Great video Uncle Tony, can not say i agree about the spring and non filtered oil but made me have a good think about filters, keep up the good work.
This is a great video and I have cut open quite a few filters and never really thought about it
Thank you for doing what you do... I jave been working on my own, and family vehicles since I was 15... and I learned something new today.... I knew the basic concept of how the filter was "suppose to" filter all the time. I have been schooled...
No you been fooled lol
The valve work on differential pressure ie pressure drop across the filter media
System pressure is irrelevant
Wouldn't that internal filter spring only act on the internal back pressure produced by the filter media itself? The overall system oil pressure would act on both sides of the oil filter. That way if the media plugs, it won't starve the motor.
So downstream oil pressure wouldn't affect free flow through the media. If media is causing back pressure, oil can bypass
i've had a filter plug and destroy an engine before so idk about all that
@@donbehatin If the oil was dirty enough to clog a filter maybe THAT is what killed the engine.
I would have NEVER known that while at the same time I knew it because I was aware oil filters had a bypass in them but I thought they only did a bypass if the filter was clogged. Thank you so much for sharing this.
Because that exactly how it work tony is wrong
They work on differential pressure
ie pressure drop across the filter element
It could be 1000 psi and the bybass will stay close if both inlet and outlets pressure are the same
The system pressure is irrelevant
Well I'm blown away on that for sure
Hi T, hate to step on your turf, however, with great respect, that internal bypass is in case the filter/paper/media, gets plugged. The oil will then "bypass" the filter/paper/media, and flow directly to the engine and not blowup the filter can or starve the engine for oil, thereby causing a catastrophic (really bad) loss/lack of oil. Oil is always flowing through the filter, it does not matter how much oil pressure there is. It depends on the pressure difference between both sides of the filter (inlet vs outlet) or backpressure, when the difference gets to great, the spring is pushed down. Also there is the oil pump bypass valve in the oil pump, it is not a pressure relief valve, if there is too much backpressure in the filter the valve will bypass the oil directly to the engine. Of course on newer engines they also control the oil pressure electronically, but there is always the mechanical bypass, just in case.
Blue Mule
PS shout out to LS, just expanding on his/her thoughts
Awesome video BTW. very informative
I found it very interesting that on my car in 1955 an engine oil filter was an add on option.
My father said his '53 Pontiac Chieftain had a "built-in" oil filter. While I remember that car from when I was a kid, I certainly don't remember seeing any sort of oil filter. My father did start using detergent oil as soon as it came out.
Very enlightening, thank you very much.
I like the metal reusable filters for this reason. Oil flow is faster over a metalic mesh. Because the media is stiffer the bypass is also higher pressure. They do have a larger micron rating however. So you win some you lose some.
I am not talking about the screen type, but the catrige style which fits into a typical looking screw on filter
Please make a video about the reusable filter you mentioned at 7:30. Thanks for the info on this little known problem with regular oil filters. I had no idea.
I change my filter about halfway through my oil change. Been doing it for about 30 years. It doesnt cost much when you buy them by the case on sale. And you never have to worry about your filter being very dirty. Cheap insurance
Wow!!! Learn something new everyday……. Thank you Tony 👍🔧
so I did a ton of research on this, using a larger filter allows more oil to pass through the media without opening the bypass. for instance, my 94 supra has a tiny oil filter, the upgrade that people use is to a first gen tundra filter, the upgrade tundra owners upgrade to lexus lx470 filters lol. so my supra has a 6 inch long oil filter from a lx470, and the only upgrade from there would be a 8-10 inch wix commercial truck filter without a bypass. YOU can literally figure out the filter specifications (thread pitch, length, diameter, bypass psi) your oem filter is, cross-reference this info from frame to wix or other companies filter databases and just size up to wherever. you don't necessarily need the filter bypass if you live in a hot climate or you only drive the specific vehicle during good times of the year. also having more filter media allows more paths for the oil to flow without building up pressure and triggering the bypass valve!
Toyota would use #241 filters but I could use #195 or 4457 , even the large 4670 or #1 for Ford V 8.
GREAT info. ... thanks buddy!
thanks for the video. great content as usual.
Different part number filters are supposed to have different bypass psi ratings per oem specs. That said you would have to test each out to see. The race specific filters normally have a bypass that is much higher.
learned something today. Thanks
Thanks that was the best thing I learned this week .
Didn’t know this! Thanks, Uncle Tony:)
It's amazing Oberg really has no competition. I have the same housing I first bought in 1983.
Thank you for the info. I will look into the oberg oil filter
Glad I seen this now and not last night before I went to sleep 😅 I just switched to a mobil1 enhanced filter cause a test lab video showed it allowed the mot flow. That and pennzoil platinum and my truck is running smooth. Not sure about filters but I'll stand by the oil.
You are mistaken. This is why. If the filter element has 50 psi on the pump side, that is pressing against the element, sure, but if there is 49 psi after the element, this is pushing back against it so the bypass only sees that 1 psi difference, not the whole 50 psi. John Cardogan was big enough to publish a retraction the other day. Let's see if you do too. th-cam.com/video/djuy1KFOTLY/w-d-xo.html
So when a person does an engine flush such as BG, most of them have directions as to not drive the vehicle. They don’t want the oil pressure to build to high as to not letting the oil filter, filter all the bad stuff, and not recirculating the bad stuff that got cleaned off. Hope I explained this right. I get what he said and I believe him because he’s got years of experience. Thanks for teaching me something today.
NICE haha I wanted to ask you to make a video talking about engine oil, filters and what time of damage depending on the metal found in the oil. I've seen a lot of videos but nothing really explains anything well. This video is a great part of that.
UTG you're a great guy with a ton of useful knowledge, but I think you are wrong on this one. The inflow oil pressure actually helps the spring (adds pressure ) keep the element tight against the end plate. The push valve at the bottom allows bypass if the filter is clogged. The pressure relief valve in the oil pump is in place to dump excessive pressure on cold startup when viscosity is high. Its' called full flow filtration for a reason.
I learned something new today I appreciate that
Interesting stuff! I didn’t know that. Thanks Tony. Hey when do we get back to the Jeep 4.0 rebuild?
They bypass but it is not a binary on-off. If the pressure is too high, some of the oil bypasses the filter. You don't need 100 percent filtering anyway.
That’s why I use magnets on the pan and filter
My dad worked at one of the major filter manufacturers for over 30 years. He said the engineers told him that after about 500 miles the media is clogged to the point that its in full bypass all the time anyway.
This is a good video, it drives us to do some thinking.. I may not agree with you entirely but need to look into it more than I did in the past.
Yay Tony! A few years ago I saw a video on TH-cam where a guy cut open about 15 different brands of filters. What an education! I had a Ford. The pleat count and materials used varied greatly. Including the rubber quality/type of the bypass flapper and springs. The Motorcraft came out pretty good. The Fram was crap. Now I only buy OEM filters cuz I don't know any better. But, I have confidence that I have the correct specs. Present vehicle is 2016 Colorado Diesel. I bite the bullet and buy the OEM Delco filter. Sleep well at night.
Yes, the 2016 Colorado Diesel has a cartridge filter, not a spin on. 5W-30 Dexos 2 oil.
There are indeed moving parts inside a spin-on oil filter.
Now we need Gale Banks to make a clear oil filter so we can see if this is true.
Very impressive explaining Uncle Tony !! As long as I have been building and hot rodding n racing mopars. I never knew this so what is the correct filtering system ??
My small block is 40- 60 lbs all the time so this is quite an eye opener
Thanks for making us think about this. You have some good points but, engine oil pressure is normally determined by bearing clearances. Having back pressure at the bearings will minimize the differential pressure across the filter element. Even at 60 psi oil pressure the filter element may only have 0-10 psi differential.
The large spring would not be compressed in most situations due to the pressure being equal within the oil filter shell.
The small bypass on the bottom of the cartridge would open due to excessive differential pressure from a plugged oil filter.
Also, don’t forget the oil filter adapter may also have an integral differential pressure bypass. SBC adapters do. Many plug them off to avoid unfiltered oil when cold. …Not sure that works as well as some would assume either.
Tony, can you do a video on oil filter magnets, ie. rare-earth vs typical, magnet strength vs size, demo what they actually catch (open filter up after using them), etc.
Love your videos as I’m just a hobbyist with friends who mean well but contradict each other most of the time so I usually go with what you say (your recent piston ring install video was a PERFECT example).
Frank (79’ Vette) from VitoriaBC, Canada
I did a bit of work on filtering for big diesels years ago. I agree a spin on is very much part time. There are better ways of doing it. Full flow centrifigal filters were considered and in practice worked well but were expensive and never caught on. A seperate filter system was often installed, sometimes with its own pump to circulate oil through a number of filters simultaniously but this runs in bypass mode as well.
Very interesting your right I didn't know that thanks for sharing
Wow. Thank you for this. Of all the useless info jammed into my brain. I was not fully aware of how the filter truly worked. Now i know!
A friend's son in law changed oil and filter. Light stayed on. Kept driving it. Motor seized. Hadn't removed shrink wrap around filter.
Cheers from Brazil. Thanks.
Thanks Uncle Tony! Next time I do oil change on my car I am going to try and do "oil filter delete" and just change oil more frequently.
Like my wife's 1950 230 6 ,partial filter it gets dirty quick.
I’ve suspected this!
well I sure learned a lot today, thanks Uncle Tony
There's a good discussion about this on bob is the oil guy. The bypass happens when the pressure differential between the input and output sides are greater than 15-20 psi. What this translates into exactly on your oil pressure itself, I don't know, but the filter works to pressures quite a bit higher than 20 psi. It's when the filter media can't flow enough oil that essentially it stops filtering and bypasses. This can occur for several reasons like, 1. the filter media can't flow as much as the pump is pumping (like at high RPM operation), 2. the filter media is partially clogged or 3. the oil is cold and thick, causing a temporary condition 1.
Edit: Okay, I see what you're talking about now. That spring on the bottom that holds the filter media up is just that, something to hold the filter media in place. This is a way to seal the filter cartridge to the top of the housing without having to build everything to exact tolerances. Notice that the top metal end cap on the filter media assembly has a tapered opening so it can seal better. This spring is not intended as a bypass, it's just there because it lowers the cost of manufacturing over say making a machined filter housing to exact tolerances. Think like bearing preload. This also will work better for that application because the filter media will probably grow a little as it warms up and shrink as it cools. The spring will ensure it stays put in all conditions, kind of like the spring clamps on radiator hoses. There is only one bypass valve in there, and it's the little flap on the bottom.
Yes the big spring is just to seal the element to the cartridge some dont even have spring but just a bent sheet metal to take up the slack and put a constant pressure on the cartridge
Tony is completely wrong here
@@legros731 Haha, he just released a correction video a few minutes ago. He's still making the claim that this spring can still behave as a bypass. I guess it's conceivable that it could, but I don't think it's intended for that purpose. At least he clarified when the bypass happens, which is only when there's a pressure differential on either side of the filter element.
@@randr10 on some filter there no spring there just a bend piece of sheets metal
Filter are not meant to catch big chunk of metal or protect against bearing failure anyway and will rapidly clog opening the bypass and send all the shaving everywhere that why you find debris everywhere in the engine after spun bearing or oil related failure
The oil filter is designed for average person use, such as taking the kid's to school, shopping, not rally, drag, or track racing, thanks for sharing, all the best to yous and your loved ones
Thanks Tony, thanks alot. 👍
Air cooled VW engines didn't have filters, aside from a pickup screen.
thank you for the info, I never knew this
i learn something today , thanks tony
i have been a professional transmission rebuilder for 40 years, and a mechanic longer than that. i just retired, and i have never thought about that. thank you, Tony!
Thank you UT...Who knew. Great stuff !
Hey tony. April fools already came and went.
It's not an either or on the oil being filtered based on that bypass rating. Not an On/off deal. Even if it's against the spring, some oil is flowing through the filter media.
👍I’ve always changed my own oil w/ filter and I’ve never had an engine fail whatsoever. Since owning any brand of auto since 1983. Replaced oil every 3500-4500 miles. Top off if low between changes.
Thank you for this upload. I'm aware of the bypass function but what I remember from school is that it opens during start up but closes when preassure before and after the filter is the same. And that would be the case as long as bearing or crank is not too worn and when that happens and we loose preassure after filter the bypass is going to open more, like you say. But it shouldn't be to much of a problem as long as there is a good preassure build up after the filter. When preassur is equalised, bypass is shut. But this is old knowledge, Don't know if it still applies. Thank's again.
It srill tony is wrong and spreading misinformation and lot of people seem to have fallen for it in the comment lol
Would hve made a great april first video opportunity missed lol
As always, that’s eye opening information! I for one didn’t know that ! And Ive watched countless people that race cut open their filters to check for parts and pieces after an explosion ! But it really didn’t tell the whole story ! See ya tomorrow T
More like eye closing info whem it completely wrong and just misinformation
The valve work on differential pressure ie pressure drop across the filter media
System pressure is irrelevant
Glad to hear, UT likes Oberg oil filters.
Thank you for the great information, truly understand what you are explaining, I have the two piece aluminum oil filter that you are talking about, and my engine oil stays cleaner and last twice as long than it did, before i stopped using those paper filters...👍👍👍🤝🤝🤝🏁🏁🏁
It's like you go to the dialysis center, sit (idle) in a chair and get your blood filtered, then when you're appointment is over, you rev it up and go about your daily activities until it is time to spend some time at idle filtering again.