That is a great honest review which I’m glad somebody else has the same exact sentiments as I do about how uncomfortable side sleeping is in a hammock. I get that from people all the time “Oh bro you’ve got to get a hammock” but both times I’ve tried them it was comfortable to relax in, but sleeping was terrible. I’m gonna stick with my tent since it is much lighter than a hammock set up anyways. Each to his own enjoy your hammock if you have one, just don’t tell me that I need to get one.
My $0.02 on this kit: 1) safety concern: the HG continuous loop failed and dropped me. I replaced them with Warbonnet CLs. Searching hammockforums, I'm not the only one who has had this happen. 2) the underquilt gets gaps when I side sleep. I got better at setting it up with experience, but some nights I would get cold spots no matter what I did. 3) either the hammock or the suspension stretches overnight to the extent that I will be a foot closer to the ground in the morning. I weight 240 lbs. Plan accordingly. My other setups don't sag which I attribute mostly to the straps. I also prefer cinch buckle to Daisy chains anyways. For those reasons, this kit didn't work for me. Though, I did love the tarp and topquilt and have kept the kit (with new CLs) for my daughter who is much smaller. The UQ actually serves her quite well as a topquilt when tent camping with minimal adjustments to use the suspension as pad straps. I have shoulder issues and have not been able to sleep on the ground the past few years, though I'm hopeful the Big Agnes Rapide SL will improve my efforts there even if I bailed on my one night attempting it so far (the ground is never level enough for my liking). The 2 hammock setups I like and would recommend for beginners: 1) Superior Gear insulated hammock. No fiddle factor, warm and sturdy. I wouldn't recommend their tarps over Hammock Gear's, though, so not a true one stop shop. 2) Warbonnet Blackbird XLC and Wooki XL. Super comfortable. I have the lightweight double layer. Both of those setups, you can sleep pretty well on your side and you can get with cinch buckle straps that you can truly get a level lie.
Hammock camping can be a lot of fun. You just have to dial it in your own way. Don’t listen to advice 😂😂 because it’s different for everyone. But I think you’ll love it. I like your setup and I love Hammockgear 👍🏻👍🏻
The Burrows are fantastic. As a guide, i have my head end at my waist height and then my foot end at my shoulder height. I find thats a good starting point to start at with the suspension. I can side sleep in wy Warbonnet XLC fine, BUT...... its even more comfortable in my Wide Chameleon. My first 3 nights of hanging was all a learning curve and not the best. Stick with it; it'll be worth the effort.
@@BackcountryExposure And my hats off to you for doing that. Most people will buy a cheap Amazon hammock, have a poor nights sleep in it, and base Hammock Camping on that experience alone.
@@TheTarotCardGuy can totally understand that. With hundreds and hundreds of nights out in the backcountry, I’m not one to base everything on one night. Just a good starting point.
Your center of mass will migrate to the center of the whole system. By that I mean center between the trees rather than center of the hammock. The best hangs I've ever had were a combination of getting my foot end a little higher than the head end AND getting my foot end a little closer to the tree . Hope this helps.
Hammock gear has great products and I have ordered a lot of items from them . Out of all the hammocks I have the # 1 choice is the Warbonnet Blackbird. It has a foot box in it and I can sleep on my side ( diagonally ) with it. Today there is a lot of good choices out there. When I started back in the late 50's the only choice was the W.W.2 Jungle hammock. A good reference ( Hammock Camping ) for anyone is The Ultimate Hang by Derek Hansen. I'm a long time hammock camper and I learned things from his publication.
It does take time to adjust and get it all figured out. I have put a bunch of time into my hammock system and it has been worth it. I too am a side sleeper when ground camping but I do not move around or even try to side sleep in the hammock and I sleep like a rock in it now. I still use a tent often as many of the hikes here in the west, as you know, are not conducive to hammock camping, ie.. above tree line, desert/sage flats. Swap put the daisy chains for Dutchware Beetle buckles and spider/poly straps and you are good to go!
I really only use whoopie slings if I need extra distance between trees. In all honesty, I've messed with a bunch of different kinds of suspensions and daisy-chains are honestly just the easiest and I always go back to them. Keep some whoopie slings in your sack for weird situations (they are better than strap extensions), but with general use I believe the daisy-chain is usually what I want.
I always set the head end tree strap about a foot lower than the foot end of the hammock. This keeps me at the proper end of the hammock and allows me to sleep on my side. I'm a ground sleeper convert and I love the hammock now...but it was a learning curve. Also, check out the beetle buckle system for hanging your hammock. Take care!
Definately takes time to figure out how YOU will be comfortable side sleeping in a hammock. I also use the HG wonderlust setup I like to hang my feet higher and try to position my self as close to the head end as i can when i first get in. Also pillow selection made a huge diffference for me, I used to use the outdoor vitals pillow which was ok but then i switched to the nemo fillo and my side sleeping greatly improved
I’ve used most suspension systems and usually return to the Dutchware Beetle Buckle. It is infinitely adjustable right up to the tree and exceptionally easy to use.
Great vid, thanks for putting it out! Regarding the suspension, I don't think any serious hammock maker (and HG is a well-regarded company) actually uses daisy chains for their own personal hammock rigs. But the reason most companies include daisy chains in their stock hammock bundles has more to do with safety and liability than with functionality. Manufacturers have to dumb down the system so that noobies and such can rig up the hammock correctly, even if it takes a little longer or requires a bit of extra effort, so in the case of a serious accident at least the craftsmanship, the quality of the materials, and the simplicity of the design cannot be put into question. The daisy chain checks the safety and the simplicity boxes, the downside is that it's heavy, bulky and it doesn't allow you to dial in your setup with enough precision. If you have experience with whoopie slings, cinch buckles, becket hitch, etc. I would recommend switching over to one of those systems. Until then one thing you can do with the daisy chain is raise or lower the webbing on the tree end by just an inch or two, until you get the desired angle on the suspension or the desired height above the ground.
Nice first look! While my hammock set up is all DIY (hammock, quilts, tarp), I do use those exact HG daisy chain straps. You are correct about the limited adjustment with daisy chains. I moved to a Beckett Hitch with those straps which now allows fine tune adjustments (and no hardware to fail in the field). Just wish my straps were a little more earth tone in color.
Totally agree on the daisy chain straps! I am a side sleeper as well and so I understand what you mean. This does look like a great initial setup though. My first was an ENO double nest and that was awful LOL. I’m excited to see how you evolve with hammocks. I know that once you do, you really can enjoy it. This past weekend I slept in my duplex and could not sleep as well as in my hammock. Great video Dev
Thanks Chris! Yeah, I am looking forward to getting it figured out more. It'll help to have more time too the next time I take it out. I was a little rushed with light at the end of the day.
It took me a long time to dial in side sleeping in my hammock. I still don't know exactly what works other than keeping my foot end higher. Superior Gear makes amazing hammock straps. If you haven't seen then, give them a look. They work awesome for adjustments and work around larger trees too. Great setup sir!
So stoked to see you hammock camp. I find that the Dutchware Beatle Buckle system is the easiest to setup and find tune my hammock angle. It took a while before I found the hammock sweet spot for myself.
I find that I can side sleep quite well in a smr ninox hammock...if thats something you may be interested in. I don't always side sleep though, so its less of an issue for me.
I tried a night in a full hammock setup, but it just wasn't for me. As a side sleeper I'm more comfortable on the ground. Also with all the desert backpacking we do, finding places to hang are just hard. I did do a couple nights in an open hammock in Havasupai, basically just used a Costco quilt over the top of me. Low's were in the 70's then.
The stuff sack at beginning holds hammock with bug net, maybe straps? Under quilt and over quilt are presumably in another bag? And tarp separate? Concerned about bulk. Weight seemed acceptable if it includes everything. Price is a little shocking but not so much if it includes everything. Appreciate the “full kit” design because the choices ARE overwhelming.
I have the same setup. I'm also a side sleeper. I have found my first night is the most difficult time sleeping. After that, I find that sweet spot and sleep great. Like you said, I think it's just getting more time in the hammock to figure it out. How many times did you have to get up to use the bathroom?? lol It seems to me that when I'm in that hammock, I have to get up and pee 5 times a night! lol
Will you be doing more videos on your experience with hammocks? I'm an avid tent camper, primarily because you can't actually tie things to trees in a lot of places in CO, and in a lot of places the trees are just weak pines. Would be interested to see the journey to hammock camping (if you end up switching over).
Yes, I will be sharing more of it as I use it more. However, I will not ever completely switch over. Here in Utah there are so few good places to hang, and many of my trips are in the desert where there's nothing to hang from. A tent will be my go to majority of the time.
It's definitely a learning curve. I have had trips where I got it right one night and just great sleep, but the next night so much, or vice versa. As a side sleeper myself, I knew exactly what you meant about tucking your knees and sliding down, lol. But after a couple years of hammock camping I think I'm learning to sleep more on my back, and actually find it very comfortable! Also not a fan of daisy chain suspension. I swapped out my wife's HG kit right away with the Dutch Beetle Buckle system and Evo Loops (
@@BackcountryExposure Eno’s version of the whoopie slings is what I started with. I really liked the weight and compact size, but after a few frustrations with them I switched to the cinch buckle style of beetle buckles. Such as having to wrap the tree hugger a couple times around small trees, or add extensions for bigger trees, and the length of the whoopie bury being the minumum from tree to hammock loops. Cinch buckle design removes all of that.
Noooo! Not a hammock! 😂😂😂 just kidding, whatever works for a hiker is exactly what they should use. It doesn’t matter if it did or didn’t work for someone else. Great video as always and I value you shared knowledge and experience.
Yeah i hate the daisy chain system. I have a one wind hammock with a rachet like system 100% fully adjustable. Were you able to get a good diagonal lay with this set up. Looks/sounds like you stayed warm enough
I was able to get a decent lay, but because my head ended up higher than my feet I kept falling into the middle and it put a lot of stress at the feet, so my left leg was being pressed into my right. I'll figure it out though.
It's under 5 pounds for the entire kit, including the insulation. The under quilt and top quilt take up a good chunk of pack space, but I did this trip in a 40 liter pack and had plenty of space for it all. Maybe later down the road I will share how it all fits into my pack.
Check out the Brazilian style hammock sleeping - lying slightly diagonal in your hammock allows you to lie at least flat . Some even sleep on their side that way. Possibly you have to remove the bug net to be able to do so
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Nice to hear someone NOT gushing about how AMAZING every second spent in a hammock is. ;) Thanks for the honesty!
Well I must say my hammock is……AMAZING 😂😂😁
ha ha, thanks!
If you really want to side sleep in a hammock, you should try a bridge hammock. They're not quite as light, but easier to side sleep.
I was going to tell him to do the same thing.
That is a great honest review which I’m glad somebody else has the same exact sentiments as I do about how uncomfortable side sleeping is in a hammock. I get that from people all the time “Oh bro you’ve got to get a hammock” but both times I’ve tried them it was comfortable to relax in, but sleeping was terrible. I’m gonna stick with my tent since it is much lighter than a hammock set up anyways. Each to his own enjoy your hammock if you have one, just don’t tell me that I need to get one.
My $0.02 on this kit:
1) safety concern: the HG continuous loop failed and dropped me. I replaced them with Warbonnet CLs. Searching hammockforums, I'm not the only one who has had this happen.
2) the underquilt gets gaps when I side sleep. I got better at setting it up with experience, but some nights I would get cold spots no matter what I did.
3) either the hammock or the suspension stretches overnight to the extent that I will be a foot closer to the ground in the morning. I weight 240 lbs. Plan accordingly. My other setups don't sag which I attribute mostly to the straps. I also prefer cinch buckle to Daisy chains anyways.
For those reasons, this kit didn't work for me. Though, I did love the tarp and topquilt and have kept the kit (with new CLs) for my daughter who is much smaller. The UQ actually serves her quite well as a topquilt when tent camping with minimal adjustments to use the suspension as pad straps.
I have shoulder issues and have not been able to sleep on the ground the past few years, though I'm hopeful the Big Agnes Rapide SL will improve my efforts there even if I bailed on my one night attempting it so far (the ground is never level enough for my liking).
The 2 hammock setups I like and would recommend for beginners:
1) Superior Gear insulated hammock. No fiddle factor, warm and sturdy. I wouldn't recommend their tarps over Hammock Gear's, though, so not a true one stop shop.
2) Warbonnet Blackbird XLC and Wooki XL. Super comfortable. I have the lightweight double layer.
Both of those setups, you can sleep pretty well on your side and you can get with cinch buckle straps that you can truly get a level lie.
Hammock camping can be a lot of fun. You just have to dial it in your own way. Don’t listen to advice 😂😂 because it’s different for everyone. But I think you’ll love it.
I like your setup and I love Hammockgear 👍🏻👍🏻
Yeah I'll be taking it out more this season and hope to figure it out. Thanks Jason!
The Burrows are fantastic.
As a guide, i have my head end at my waist height and then my foot end at my shoulder height. I find thats a good starting point to start at with the suspension. I can side sleep in wy Warbonnet XLC fine, BUT...... its even more comfortable in my Wide Chameleon. My first 3 nights of hanging was all a learning curve and not the best.
Stick with it; it'll be worth the effort.
Thanks! Will keep working on it. It's a great system, and better than what I had before.
@@BackcountryExposure
And my hats off to you for doing that. Most people will buy a cheap Amazon hammock, have a poor nights sleep in it, and base Hammock Camping on that experience alone.
@@TheTarotCardGuy can totally understand that. With hundreds and hundreds of nights out in the backcountry, I’m not one to base everything on one night. Just a good starting point.
Your center of mass will migrate to the center of the whole system. By that I mean center between the trees rather than center of the hammock. The best hangs I've ever had were a combination of getting my foot end a little higher than the head end AND getting my foot end a little closer to the tree . Hope this helps.
Hammock gear has great products and I have ordered a lot of items from them . Out of all the hammocks I have the # 1 choice is the Warbonnet Blackbird. It has a foot box in it and I can sleep on my side ( diagonally ) with it. Today there is a lot of good choices out there. When I started back in the late 50's the only choice was the W.W.2 Jungle hammock. A good reference ( Hammock Camping ) for anyone is The Ultimate Hang by Derek Hansen. I'm a long time hammock camper and I learned things from his publication.
It does take time to adjust and get it all figured out. I have put a bunch of time into my hammock system and it has been worth it. I too am a side sleeper when ground camping but I do not move around or even try to side sleep in the hammock and I sleep like a rock in it now. I still use a tent often as many of the hikes here in the west, as you know, are not conducive to hammock camping, ie.. above tree line, desert/sage flats. Swap put the daisy chains for Dutchware Beetle buckles and spider/poly straps and you are good to go!
That's a great set up! I know a million people have already suggested the bettle buckles but they are incredible for beginners and experts alike
I really only use whoopie slings if I need extra distance between trees. In all honesty, I've messed with a bunch of different kinds of suspensions and daisy-chains are honestly just the easiest and I always go back to them. Keep some whoopie slings in your sack for weird situations (they are better than strap extensions), but with general use I believe the daisy-chain is usually what I want.
I always set the head end tree strap about a foot lower than the foot end of the hammock. This keeps me at the proper end of the hammock and allows me to sleep on my side. I'm a ground sleeper convert and I love the hammock now...but it was a learning curve. Also, check out the beetle buckle system for hanging your hammock. Take care!
Yeah, my ground wasn't level either so while it looked like I was lower at the head, it wasn't. Will keep trying!
I am new to hammock camping and look forward to future videos.
Definately takes time to figure out how YOU will be comfortable side sleeping in a hammock. I also use the HG wonderlust setup I like to hang my feet higher and try to position my self as close to the head end as i can when i first get in. Also pillow selection made a huge diffference for me, I used to use the outdoor vitals pillow which was ok but then i switched to the nemo fillo and my side sleeping greatly improved
Brother if you get that head end lower, you can side sleep comfortably. I just tuck my knees and put a pillow between. 👍🏼
I’ve used most suspension systems and usually return to the Dutchware Beetle Buckle. It is infinitely adjustable right up to the tree and exceptionally easy to use.
Great vid, thanks for putting it out! Regarding the suspension, I don't think any serious hammock maker (and HG is a well-regarded company) actually uses daisy chains for their own personal hammock rigs. But the reason most companies include daisy chains in their stock hammock bundles has more to do with safety and liability than with functionality. Manufacturers have to dumb down the system so that noobies and such can rig up the hammock correctly, even if it takes a little longer or requires a bit of extra effort, so in the case of a serious accident at least the craftsmanship, the quality of the materials, and the simplicity of the design cannot be put into question. The daisy chain checks the safety and the simplicity boxes, the downside is that it's heavy, bulky and it doesn't allow you to dial in your setup with enough precision. If you have experience with whoopie slings, cinch buckles, becket hitch, etc. I would recommend switching over to one of those systems. Until then one thing you can do with the daisy chain is raise or lower the webbing on the tree end by just an inch or two, until you get the desired angle on the suspension or the desired height above the ground.
Nice first look! While my hammock set up is all DIY (hammock, quilts, tarp), I do use those exact HG daisy chain straps. You are correct about the limited adjustment with daisy chains. I moved to a Beckett Hitch with those straps which now allows fine tune adjustments (and no hardware to fail in the field). Just wish my straps were a little more earth tone in color.
I know Spiguyver is big on the Beckett, I'll have to look into that.
Totally agree on the daisy chain straps! I am a side sleeper as well and so I understand what you mean. This does look like a great initial setup though. My first was an ENO double nest and that was awful LOL. I’m excited to see how you evolve with hammocks. I know that once you do, you really can enjoy it. This past weekend I slept in my duplex and could not sleep as well as in my hammock. Great video Dev
Thanks Chris! Yeah, I am looking forward to getting it figured out more. It'll help to have more time too the next time I take it out. I was a little rushed with light at the end of the day.
It took me a long time to dial in side sleeping in my hammock. I still don't know exactly what works other than keeping my foot end higher. Superior Gear makes amazing hammock straps. If you haven't seen then, give them a look. They work awesome for adjustments and work around larger trees too. Great setup sir!
I bought the wanderlust PKG for my wife, after buying my whole setup ala carte. Change that suspension and you will be in a better position.
So stoked to see you hammock camp. I find that the Dutchware Beatle Buckle system is the easiest to setup and find tune my hammock angle. It took a while before I found the hammock sweet spot for myself.
Multiple people suggesting that system. Gonna look into it.
I find that I can side sleep quite well in a smr ninox hammock...if thats something you may be interested in. I don't always side sleep though, so its less of an issue for me.
I tried a night in a full hammock setup, but it just wasn't for me. As a side sleeper I'm more comfortable on the ground. Also with all the desert backpacking we do, finding places to hang are just hard.
I did do a couple nights in an open hammock in Havasupai, basically just used a Costco quilt over the top of me. Low's were in the 70's then.
I sleep on my side to I have the same hammock and found a nemo tensor insulated works great for me I leave the under quilt at home.
Do you have a single or double layer circadian? I'm wondering if I could use an Xlite pad in this hammock without it shifting around?
@PeteBraginton single layer a 25 inch pad works best any brand you prefer just insulated
Nice looking setup, Dev. If you're comfortable and warm nothing else matters. 🍻
Word!
The stuff sack at beginning holds hammock with bug net, maybe straps? Under quilt and over quilt are presumably in another bag? And tarp separate? Concerned about bulk. Weight seemed acceptable if it includes everything. Price is a little shocking but not so much if it includes everything. Appreciate the “full kit” design because the choices ARE overwhelming.
I'm also a side sleeper I have the dutchware chameleon hammock and it is comfortable to side in most hammocks aren't. Longer is better.
Yeah this one is 11'. Gonna keep at it!
I have the same setup. I'm also a side sleeper. I have found my first night is the most difficult time sleeping. After that, I find that sweet spot and sleep great. Like you said, I think it's just getting more time in the hammock to figure it out. How many times did you have to get up to use the bathroom?? lol It seems to me that when I'm in that hammock, I have to get up and pee 5 times a night! lol
Yeah. Same situation. At home, up once a night. Camping, at least three times. Anybody got an explanation for this phenomenon?
Loved this thankyou stay safe debs
Will you be doing more videos on your experience with hammocks? I'm an avid tent camper, primarily because you can't actually tie things to trees in a lot of places in CO, and in a lot of places the trees are just weak pines. Would be interested to see the journey to hammock camping (if you end up switching over).
Yes, I will be sharing more of it as I use it more. However, I will not ever completely switch over. Here in Utah there are so few good places to hang, and many of my trips are in the desert where there's nothing to hang from. A tent will be my go to majority of the time.
Do is see a future video on the Tensa4 hammock stand so you can hang with the arches?
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You absolutely can side sleep in a hammock. Just takes time to dial it in.
Nice hammock kit. I like it. Take Care.
It's definitely a learning curve. I have had trips where I got it right one night and just great sleep, but the next night so much, or vice versa. As a side sleeper myself, I knew exactly what you meant about tucking your knees and sliding down, lol. But after a couple years of hammock camping I think I'm learning to sleep more on my back, and actually find it very comfortable!
Also not a fan of daisy chain suspension. I swapped out my wife's HG kit right away with the Dutch Beetle Buckle system and Evo Loops (
Right on. I've had another friend suggest the dutch stuff too. That's where I got my whoopie slings from when I sewed my netless gathered end hammock.
@@BackcountryExposure Eno’s version of the whoopie slings is what I started with. I really liked the weight and compact size, but after a few frustrations with them I switched to the cinch buckle style of beetle buckles. Such as having to wrap the tree hugger a couple times around small trees, or add extensions for bigger trees, and the length of the whoopie bury being the minumum from tree to hammock loops. Cinch buckle design removes all of that.
Cannot find an OR Echo Hoody anywhere these days. I blame you Devon!
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i just ordered one from their website this week and got it in a couple days
gotta sleep in it at a angle instead of banana style and a double nest hammock is where it's at to
What length of tarp comes with kits?
Noooo! Not a hammock! 😂😂😂 just kidding, whatever works for a hiker is exactly what they should use. It doesn’t matter if it did or didn’t work for someone else. Great video as always and I value you shared knowledge and experience.
Thank you!
Yeah i hate the daisy chain system. I have a one wind hammock with a rachet like system 100% fully adjustable. Were you able to get a good diagonal lay with this set up. Looks/sounds like you stayed warm enough
I was able to get a decent lay, but because my head ended up higher than my feet I kept falling into the middle and it put a lot of stress at the feet, so my left leg was being pressed into my right. I'll figure it out though.
I really liked my hammock when I had it but I just could not get it to suit me in every way...
Seems to not be the best option for everyone. Thanks Max!
Cool system! How large/heavy is the whole kit together? Does it take up a lot is space in your pack?
It's under 5 pounds for the entire kit, including the insulation. The under quilt and top quilt take up a good chunk of pack space, but I did this trip in a 40 liter pack and had plenty of space for it all. Maybe later down the road I will share how it all fits into my pack.
Check out the Brazilian style hammock sleeping - lying slightly diagonal in your hammock allows you to lie at least flat . Some even sleep on their side that way. Possibly you have to remove the bug net to be able to do so