2024 WORLD EXCLUSIVE CALLAWAY APEX PRO LINE REVIEW
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ต.ค. 2024
- Today we have Johnny Wunder in the studio to go through the brand new 2024 Apex Pro Line of irons which are the Apex Pro, Apex CB and Apex MB.
The Apex Pro irons are a hollow body design in a compact players shape while the Apex CB and MB irons are each single-piece forged models made of carbon steel.
Working directly with tour feedback during the design. Average players now more than ever have to the ability to play exactly what the pro's want.
Let's see how Ian hits the new clubs.
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Filmed at: Tour Experience Golf
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Club Champion made a huge mistake not capitalizing on the TXG brand. Club Champion should be the one changing the name, not the other way around. There’s way more trust and brand equity in the TXG name. What a miss
💯 agree
posisbly keep TXG as a premier tier of CC. my local CC guys are great; it is a solid brand, but TXG had signficant additional goodwill
Yep agree. Don’t trust CC, they up charge to fit you into the highest priced option when a cheaper one would do just fine. Also charge way too much for “assembly”.
Fill me in, what happend with TXG?
Few know TXG…
I admit, it’s sad to see Club Champion instead of TXG. I understand the business/corporate reasons for consistency in the name change. But for me, Ian and TXG was always and still is the gold standard for fitting.
can´t agree more !
I was also hoping the name change and branding of TXG felt so dang strong. I've gone to many club champions, love the process, but I absolutely make sure to reference these videos prior.
Real shame
It's telling when your thought of one brand is "absolutely the gold standard in fitting and ahead of the curve", and the other brand is, " has all the expensive stuff in stock and tries to sell you on it before anything else" I went to CC for a fitting and would have spent almost as much on my clubs as a decent used car if I went for all their recommendations. Hard pass. Once you reach a certain level, you just kinda know when you're being coerced into spending money vs improving your score.
Agree 100% that the name change is just wrong as CC doesn’t hold up as a premium brand as well as TXG did.
Such a shame for the rebrand. Horrible experience at club champion. Sad to see TXG come to an end
I was willing to fly up to Alberta to get a TXG fitting since there’s nothing nearby that’s close… guess I’m canceling those tickets.
@@olafforkbeard4782 I mean the txg staff and experience hasn’t changed?
It’s only the beginning
Brand consistency is critical these days. Companies do this all the time, deal with it.
I was sad to see TXG name disappear on the channel. I feel this was a big miss for how club champion could have branded. “TXG, a club champion brand” would still been good enough to try and steal the good reputation TXG built up while also protecting TXG from any negative experience from the other. They could have marketed as TXG being their “premiere experience/fitters”. Truly insulating TXG but also building up club champion.
If they "stole" anything Ian is a horrible business person. I have a feeling Club Champion paid good money for this situation.
The end of an era gentlemen.
Why does a name change seem so significant to me?! At least we’re keeping the OG music intro ❤️
Didn't expect them to wipe the TXG name off the channel completely. Even if things don't change day to day, it's sad to see the brand that we all loved and all bonded over disappear into nothingness.
That's what Ian said about the initial acquisition. TXG wasn't changing anything, just they had a parent company now that would allow TXG to expand. Now the complete absorption and rebrand. If you believe nothing else will change, you're kidding yourself.
@@seizethecarp_ What is going to change is the audience. Many people who were loyal to TXG will not be going forward. Just listening to Ian in this video is different. He is praising J Wunder and Callaway's genius like a rank salesman.
TXG was the Halo brand in premium fitting. Such a puzzling decision for CC to just get rid of it. It’s not like Twitter where market perception has soured so it seems like pure hubris. Hopefully Ian is the one leading the efforts for the universal fitting system.
The rename to Club Champion is shit, especially when the screens still have TXG on them in the video 😂 nothing wrong with TXG, A CLUB CHAMPION BRAND
This is like ESPN. WHY would someone get rid of something when the CONSUMERS themselves tell you what they want. WE want to see TXG Branding because that's what we ORIGINALLY signed up for. I never subscribed to Club Chapion. I don't care about the business you guys do outside of TH-cam but this platform is being used and I feel used. TXG is a name we all knew and respected. Club Champion doesn't even have a good ring to it. It gives me Fast Food vibes
Dropped the ball on the rebrand. Club Champion fittings are no where near the experience that TXG would provide.
long live TXG
I demo'd an Apex Pro 7i this weekend. I'm a mid-handicapper, but I had good instruction as a youth and I understand how to deliver the club and work the ball. The difference in performance from my old cavity backs was mind blowing. The face is lively. Laying one baby draw on top of the other. Hit a fade, hit a draw, back to straight. It was all so easy. The tech today is incredible, there's no other way to say it. Combined with proper fundamentals and dedicated practice to groove in your consistency, I can't see how anybody, give 2-3 years of work, couldn't get into single digits these days. There's no excuse.
I’ve had clubs fit at TXG Toronto and my local CC in Michigan. Both were great experiences. I do recognize people haven’t had as good experiences with CC but as long as Ian is still the leader at “TXG”, I don’t think anyone getting fit there has to worry about a thing.
Ian nailed it w/ the turf interaction. Just got the Srixon w/ the vsole and it’s completely changed my iron game .
I've just got these also but they need lie changes and shafts. What was your miss - what did they help you with?
Rose Zhang was gaming the vanilla Apex '21s.
As a fitter I have gotten the chance to hit them already and I will be moving into these when they release, as they are a great looking combo... The feel is great and matches the look... Combo perfection here!
Which one of these is compared to the TCB? I’ve been hitting the TCB for 3 years now and love it.
@@Clonee17 The CBs would be the closes to the TCBs. The 7 iron loft and offset is the same.
Only complaint I had with my srixon z585 I was fit for at CC was price. The fitting was good but paid for that plus the shafts I got fit into were +30 each. I didn’t check till after but same shafts had no up charge direct from srixon. Cost about 350 extra for my set from CC.
This video was great for showing the new irons from my personal favorite golf brand! I’ll never be good enough to play a cb or MB but these things are so great I’m going to strive to get good enough to be fit into the apex pro’s 😅
Thanks for the inspiration to take more lessons and get better before my next set!
Not that they said they were going to compare the pros to previous models. But I’m playing the 21 Pros and was a Bogey golfer when I got them. I was playing a forgiveness distance iron before. I’m now shooting in the mid 80’s sometimes breaking 80 always the archer not the arrow. (Or the bow in this sense) you can play any of these. Where a forgiveness iron is a swing bandaid there’s no hiding behind a blade 😂
Really excited for this Apex series. I played the X forged, liked the blade length but not the offset. I now play TCB to get less offset and accepted shorter blade length. The Apex CB really seems to be what I was looking for between X forged and TCB.
Club Champion is garbage. All they care about is getting the most possible money out of you and if you don't make a purchase at the end of your fitting they refuse to give you your build/spec sheet claiming it's "proprietary"
It was a good run TXG but I can't rock with you anymore.
Sadly it's not just you that has. Had that same experience with CC
Totally agree. They are commission driven hounds, not fitters
My experience as well. Would never go back
agreed they were crap when I used them..
About 4 years ago, at a full bag fitting, CC kept pushing this stupid red Wilson hybrid on me when it didn’t perform as well as a couple of others. I finally told the guy, I’m not hitting that Wilson anymore, I don’t want it. No doubt he was getting a spiff. Also didn’t send me my fitting info.
There’s no way TXG would ever do that to a customer.
it feels like putting a Honda badge on a Ferrari, I’ll still never go to a Club Champion, however TXG will still get my business regardless of name
Love the look of the CB’s. Very impressed by the MB’s as well
The sole convo was a revelation to me. I tend to hit "harder to hit" clubs in a brand better than the others purely due to turf interaction. I have had a few and tried lots, and this happens across most brands. The only place that really talks about this is PXG - they use their models to fit you into irons by how you interact with the turf just as much as any other factor.
I went in and didn't expect to even touch their "T" irons but got fit to them because I made SO much better contact with them compared to the thicker sole models.
I love hearing reps talk about this - it's so undervalued in fitting like Ian says here.
agreed. check out foreward golf.
TXG could’ve been the “Genesis” to Club Champion’s “Hyundai”. No need for name change
Nice looking clubs with the exception of the bolt on name plate.
He’s right about the sole interaction, I had a set of 2018 apex mb and they almost encouraged me to swing with a downward angle of attack (which isn’t always the case for me)
6:58 Apex Pro
15:20 Apex CB
22:33 Apex MB
miss that beautiful TXG logo.
Been waiting for these irons for over a year now, can’t wait to get the triple combo set
I’m too scared to do the triple combo. But then I would have an additional excuse for my crap game 🤣
My cbs are back ordered til end of January. I watch this video every other day. Can’t wait for these irons 😢😢
X forged were the only iron I've ever ordered and returned based on looking down on the club. Took the restocking fee hit and got tcb, never happier
What made you return them?
I love and support TXG and will always support these gents no matter what. Luckily when it comes to my new fit Mr. Laroche is just up the road!
i love my apex pro 21's. they are a gorgeous set of irons and feel incredible. but damn if those apex pro 24's dont look even better. beautiful design
I have the Apex Pro 21s also. I love them. The 24s are really nice looking clubs. My preference is the sleeker look of the 21s vs the black back of the 24s, but still great looking clubs regardless
Great presentation. All really nice looking clubs. I have the Callaway Apex Pro 21s and love them. Callaway makes a great iron. I have all the Jaws Wedges as well, 64, 60, 56, and 50.
Really digging the look of the new apex line. Can’t wait to hit them pros. Business is business. Best of luck gents.
The 2024 Apex iron family looks outstanding.
Will there be Apex and Apex dcb’s ?
I respect the txg opinions/reviews so much. Just don’t need the brand ambassador there for an infomercial. That’s just me. I’m sure I’m in the minority.
Sorry. I live 10 mins away and we like to do stuff together when we can. Felt like a good time but what do I know.
@@johnnywundergolfI mean, commenting like this doesn't make you look any better and more like an ass if anything.
@@johnnywundergolfit’s great having you on. What we enjoy about you and I think I speak for a lot of people we enjoy hearing your knowledge about what the clubs are designed to do and how they were developed. The only other person who is similar to you is trottie and every time he puts a mic on its like he’s trying to sell you.
Been waiting so long for a release of these. And update. Can not wait to Try these.
Great video boys! Love having Jdub in the house too
So club champion forced you to rebrand? What a shame.
Awesome irons. The CB’s would be my choice…But my Titleist 2021 T100s’s aren’t leaving my bag until the grooves wear out. Loads of internal tungsten = plenty of forgiveness
And the feel is amazing
Would love to see JW do a range session with Xander Shaufelle on the his swap from TCB to CB!
Interesting video. Liked Ian's review of sole concepts. I think Ian did a video about it a few years ago and it really unlocked how I think about and select irons - so important. On the Callaway side, seemed like these irons are positioned as a dare...e.g. are you good enough to hit these clubs? Will be interesting to see how many folks take up the challenge. Thanks for the sneak peak guys.
How do they compare to the t150’s would you be tempted to put these in the bag?
TXG fans loved TXG and in particularly when the world went nuts. It was a relief from all the hysteria when golf clubs closed ...
Why not keeping the TXG brand as a premium brand within the group.
It was, and is an interaction between Iand and IronByron Mattie boy.
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I love my Oban Devotion 6 which I gave to my Godson when he recently started.
A son of a mate gave me a used shortened Oban Devotion 8 which was for a 3wood but fit my 5-wood. I had given him an Ovan Devotion 8, 85 as a driver shaft.
I have an Oban isoshi in my hybrid, a Oban kiawa, .
I aqcuired an inexpensive sell out Miazaki 7777...
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So TXG costed me a lot of dough but opened my mind to a new world.
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Love it, boys! As an 8 handicap would I be okay with a Pro long iron and CB short iron combo?
Interesting to hear you talk, and manufacturers emphasize bounce/turf interaction in the design. But instructors emphasize forward shaft lean to compress the ball and get longer distances. Doesn’t this lean negate the bounce built into the design?
PRE-WORN LEADING EDGE!!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
club champion?? what a let down. TXG was the shit
Question for the pro fitters. In a combo set, would you recommend the same shaft from 4i to PW or it would be ok to have one specific shaft for the 4-5-6 and a different one for the 7-8-9-PW?
Here’s why I’m asking. I got fitted for a combo 4-5-6 Paradym (weak lofted) and 7-8-9-PW Apex CB (strong lofted) with True temper Elevate 95g shaft. Numbers where dialled in 7 iron 125mph ball, 6000 rpm backspin, carry 180.
The issue came when I was ready to order them, Callaway doesn't install that shaft in the CB. I went back to try the True temper Dynamic gold XP 95g S300. Numbers were pretty much the same but feel was not the same probably due to the kick point being mid for the Dynamic gold and low for the Elevate.
Which of theses two options would be better and why?
1- Go with the Paradym/CB combo with two different shafts.
2- Go with the Paradym/Apex pro combo to be able to have the Elevate shaft in all irons.
Hope I can get some good advice on that.
Cheers!
If doing a blended set do you recommend making the CB or Pro lofts stronger or weaker to one set?
At least they kept the music
I love the Apex line and I'm glad Callaway is keeping it around but I'm tired of Callaway coming out with new clubs every 4 months.
Got my apex pro 24s 4-9 in pro and 10-11 in the CBs
I find it interesting when turf interaction is discussed. Generally the ball is off the face before the interaction takes place. Is it more relative to feel rather than function?
Nice review! I currently play Ping i59’s and was wondering how these compare?
Almost didn't notice the name change until I was hitting the like button
Just got fitted into mp223’s. Was about to buy today. Man I may be waiting till next year so I can give these a try. Thinking of pro 4-6, cb 7-p would be awesome as long as the new pro doesn’t act like the old pros
Why no txg?
Those CBs are fire. Oh my goodness
Great product video here. Love the banter and knowledge while hitting balls.
But man, RIP TXG brand 😢
I wish terf interaction was something I had to take into consideration. Around here, there aren’t any courses that employ terf. It’s a thin layer of grass and then the hard pan. Club gets through the ball and then bounces off the ground. Don’t even know if there is a course around here that sods their fairways
I was so confused, i only clicked the video because i wanted to see who was useing TXG's thumbnail style
Gonna miss the unique name but I get the business uniformity. I’m here for the content..
Is there going to be an update to the “regular” Apex 21?
They look great. I played the pro16 for ages, should never have sold them. How available are the weights at the back? Feel like that could really differentiate these off the shelf if you know you can tune your swing weights at home ( notwithstanding fitting is the best place for that but not always possible for everyone)
“Extra Extra Read All About It”…
Mikey's Hungry Eyes
interesting Johnny is mentioning other company's clubs in comparisons. usually club reps refuse to acknowledge the existence of other brands
Which model would be comparable to the JPX 923 Tour or T150?
When will the new Apex and Apex DCBs be released?
I'm waiting for the clubs for us mere mortals .
If the CB is softer than the current TCB, then im in. Looks like it might be given its a one-piece 1025.
Really late to the game here. Are they making the DCBs again?
Is the game improvement one coming out. The apex regular
Irons look great, but Callaway is again confusing with the naming convention.
Before watching this video, I had no idea the MB, Pro, and CB were all part of the “Pro” line.
When do the equivalent of the Apex 21 and DCB get released? If they are going to be released at all.
The irons look great!
Is it worth bending the apex pro lofts to apex forged lofts to gain distance but still have the spin and look of the apex pro
Will there be a new apex 24 equivalent to the apex 21 and a new apex dcb ?
Yup. All in good time
I had a bad experience at CC, not many putters to choose from and they used Sam putt lab which is obsolete, I’ve personally never met anyone that went there and had a good experience. There’s a top 100 golf fitter in this area and he’s a lot cheaper than Club Champion. I’m glad Ian got a great payday by selling which he should have for all the work he put in TXG but CC have issues
I’ll combo CB 4-7 MB 8-PW let’s gooooo. I’m currently TCB 3-GW
Hope you got your merch while it was available if you wanted it, maybe they do a heavily discounted sale on the excess?
love it, ty boys, I game TCBs 6,7 2 degrees strong , I'm a low teen HC but believe it or not I can find the middle of the club face, and I don't judge by HC,I go to enjoy the beautiful course and be outdoors,anyway I'm a club golfer maybe once a week, I thought the Apex pro was to hollow soundings for me ,so TCBs it was, beautiful set of irons but wasn't crazy about the looks, feel and sound are the most important to mysef, anyway bla bla bla , ill be calling my Callaway rep, trade ins definitely, The pro in 5,6,7 and CB rest of the way!! could careless about distance, consistency the name of the game same height, spin, distance, ! I have the 6 to Aw in the TCBs I have Wilson Staff CBs 5 thru Pw and Mizuno pro 225 5 thru Pw I wondering what Callaway will give me in return lol lol !! love the content and who esle would they give the first reveal to ,of course you guys!! well deserved as always!!
Oh no. Ian's found a new iron to put in the bag. Missing the TXG logos
Is there a more game improvement like the apex forged coming out or no
Put the TXG logo back
Interesting that Callaway has already taken their old Apex Pro off the website. They seemed like a great hollow body iron fit for a larger range of players than they marketed it to. Maybe now I can pick some up at a nice discount.
The Callaway Preowned website is excellent.
I’m selling mines if you’re still looking for ones 😅
MBs 😮💨
I didn't realize this was a hole-in-one contest
My heart is broken over the rebrand.... 😢
MBs 😍
Right before the 16min mark, when you started talking about the X-forged having sharp lines, and this Apex CB being softer in form...that is exactly what I was thinking this morning. I have my 2007 X-Forged in the bag this week, and had seen the IG posts about this new line. At first I didn't like the melted butter look, but it is growing on me.
These look amazing but my TCBs are so so nice I won't be changing soon
My miss is usually a little thin-toe. I don't need distance help but I do like to play about 32* at the 7i just to keep my flight down. Sounds like I might need to give these Apex Pros a whack!
sorry, I'm reading some comments about the brand name, who cares what names on what, enjoy the experience, enjoy the first viewing of this new line of Irons, no know cares what we think, 58 years old I had that thought out of my head 25 years ago people,Enjoy!! Like mom said,, if you don't have anything nice to say ,shut up!!
A lot of people have had poor experiences with Club Champion so its a bit understandable the dislike for the rebrand cause as TXG it still felt like their own company, but as Club Champion they associate fully with a heavily disliked company.
@knightriderkitt3000 yeah I get it, I got fitted at club champion twice first fitting was for a driver had no idea what I was doing or understood any numbers, but the fitter put me in the Cobra F9 9degree and cut shaft to 44 3/4 now I know what the fitter was doing, I'm still using that driver , and I've been thru numerous other drivers which I wasn't fitted for and nothing compares to the Cobras numbers, I also knew what my skill level was , most guys thing the fitters gonna put them on the PGA tour lol , expectations, just know what kind of golfer you are !! But ty I agree, hopefully the company can turn around those negative experiences, because they do have a very good selection and technology to offer!! Thanks man appreciate comment!!
Am I correct in saying the Apex line now aligns against the mizuno pro line with the three models, Or would the 225 be more forgiving than the Apex Pro 24?
Really interested to see the standard Apex 24 or it’s replacement!!?
225 is far more forgiving than the Apex Pro 21. I’d say the 223 is as well. This launch from callaway is a bummer. Basically the whole apex line is now for elite ball strikers. I expected with them dumping the standard apex, that the pro would get more forgiving and play like a apex-apex pro 19 and 21 blended set. But instead, from what JW said here, the pro has gotten even less forgiving and more “player-ish”. Seems like the high single digit to 15 handicappers are going to be marketed to in the maverick-epic-paradym iron lines and have been cut from the apex line. Not thrilled, myself. But at least as a lefty, I can now hit the Mizuno 225 as that model will be available in the 245 that is coming this fall.
@@kaisersoze6685 ok I haven’t hit the 225 but am interested in it. I am imagining something else is coming from Callaway to fill the gap that is Apex 21/Dcb.
@@wkndwarrior4733 you would think, but if that’s the case why would they not have addressed that by now? From a business perspective it doesn’t make sense. Just in my limited reading of comments, I’ve seen dozens of people ask “where’s the standard, mid handicap players distance apex?”. If callaway doesn’t address that, then people who were waiting for it are now going to assume it’s not coming and buy something else. I just think they’ve decided to be a brand focused on scratch and better players for their irons and push the rest of us into the entry level, big bulky, and frankly ugly iron lines. It’s a shame, I’ve been in the last 2 Apex combo sets from 19 and 21 and I sure as hell ain’t waiting for something that probably isn’t coming.
Gota be a gee up , right? Say it isn't so! Well I hope they make you wear a cap and use a centre shaft putter Mr Frazier,
when will we see the Apex CB Raw irons?
It would have been interesting to hear the concerns why they decided against “TXG: A Club Champion Brand”. I’m sure it had to have been discussed.