Best Osciloscope under $1000 - PicoScope 2407B
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 มิ.ย. 2023
- In this video 'Best Oscilloscope under $1000 - PicoScope 2407B', I will go over oscilloscope features and demonstrate them using two different scopes. I will Use the Micsig ST1004 to compare with the PicoScope 2407B. I will also compare and talk about the features of the GW Instek MDO-2204EG and Siglent SDS1104E. #PicoScope, #PicoScope2407B, #MicsigST1004, #GWINSTEKMDO-2204EG
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Never could imagine James Hetfield was an electronics aficionado.
LOL - He is pretty well rounded;)
Just carry an electric guitar, wear black leather pants and give autographs. 😁
Hi Eddie, thank you for this great video, very informative. I really appreciate all your videos. Thank again….🙏
Thanks for the great support!!
Great review thanks
Thanks for watching - and commenting! I appreciate you!
Eddie, good video. I've been using the Pico 4262 for several years now and it great, mine is only 2 channels with the AWG. Again thank you for your video. Recommendation, features are explained better with an actual waveform.
Thanks so much! I've become a big fan of these scopes;)
That was a great review of the scope and software. I watched other videos about it and they all seemed to not explain what they're talking about in plain English like you do. I'm looking forward to the day I can drop some money on a nice scope and sensors.
Thanks so much! I'll do more videos with the Picoscope. Is there anything specific that you would like to see?
@@KissAnalog I know they have a reference waveform library on their website. It would be cool to see that in action. I’d also like to know how long it takes to turn on and get warmed up? Most videos show it either in the box or already measuring so I have no idea what to expect. I’d also like to see what happens when it has a noisy ground signal on one input since the ground is shared. Some ground scenario that can cause a bad reading? I’m not sure how to test that. Thank you again.
Thanks!
Thanks so much for your generosity!
The downside with Picoscopes is the +/- 20v dc input limit, many a Pico has been fried because of this. I use a Quant Asylum QA190 CAT 1 +/- 150v dc low noise differential probe with my 16bit Picoscope to make sure it's always safe...
Yes thank you! If you need higher than 200V with your 10x probes than it is low cost to get a 100X probe. I bought some scope probes to review and totally forgot;) I'll do that very soon;)
@@KissAnalog You always need to warn people of this Picoscopes Achilles heel when reviewing their products, especially as the manufacturer will refuse any warranty claims against fried front ends.
Other than that they're really great with great software, the latter being where many competitors fall down. Also their support is excellent on the forum and via the phone, even for all the discontinued products, and it's worth poking around their website for some nifty third party utilities...
Nice review, very informative. I would like to see you use this scope to measure audio amplifier frequency response and various distortion measurements. It looks like this scope can do it.
Thanks! I will do that!
Nice video. Great to see such an in-depth use of a piece of equipment. I like Picoscopes as well, and have a couple of them at home.
For $1000, the new Rigol HDO1074 looks very interesting on paper with their new custom 2 GS/s 12-bit ADC. It also has enhanced resolution using the averaging of samples to get up to 16 bits. The unknown is the firmware and user interface - are there a bunch of bugs or does it work pretty well even though it is a new model?
Thanks for your feedback! Rigol offered to lend me one of these but I don't know what happened.
I think there were troubles in the beginning of the release but I haven't heard anything from them.
I don't really know why I didn't get one to review - as I wanted it to do this review and was looking for competition to do a shoot-out.
This Pico series is hard to compete with as there are lower cost units with 2 channel and there are higher cost units with higher bandwidth and logic inputs. Also the software provides all the signal decoding without having to pay for an upgrade. The software is a game changer.
Wow, the PicScope 2407B oscilloscope is very professional. I believe the cheaper 10bit and 12bit hobby scopes are in the near future. So, I will make due with my 8bit scopes. However, you have my interest for higher resolution is up. 😎 Thank you Eddie.
I hope you are right. We just have to let them know we want that;) Thank you!!
Thank you so much for this video. I was totally set on another scope that was in my budget, but thanks to this review I now have to save even MORE money before getting a scope. ;)
But seriously, great review. Thanks so much!
EDIT- Holy biceps! that shirt shows them off. How much you bench?
Thanks so much! I need to realize that I need to do a short review of the various models and series of PicoScopes!
I actually need to take some time to workout - I'm feeling like part of the bench;)
The software is really amazing. If I had a job for it, it might be my choice of scope. Now I already have a 4-channel one, which is good enough for me. But I like how the interface has been developed over the years. Great scope.
Couldn't agree more! Thank you for our feedback!
I love listening to your reviews Eddie,
I also really love your lab. It's like heaven for a technician like me here in a 3rd world country that toy's are so dam expensive 🤣 but its always good listening to you and im learning new things thanks
Wow, thanks! I appreciate you. BTW, what country are you in? I wonder if I could send you a multimeter without it costing tooooo much;)
@@KissAnalog wow that would be a big help and very much appreciated.. im from Philippines
Good work. I have long been interested in Pico scopes but do not really need more ocilloscopes. That is fantastic trigger lock. Maybe I should reconsider. How good of computer do I need? My computers are so slow that they should have cranks on them!
Don't need a very good computer at all, the laptops i use for my picoscope are 10-12 years old or something like that, just upgraded memory (couldn't resist when I had the opportunity to pull some from other scrapped laptops). Doesn't run the scope at lightning speed, but it works good enough.
My son gave me his AD2 after he finished his college courses, I was surprised to find out how useful it was in the field of audio. Now there is a new version.
Have you seen Digilent’s latest multi-function test and measurement device, also known as the AD3, is a digital oscilloscope, logic analyzer, waveform generator, pattern generator, and much more. Using the flexible WaveForms software (supported by Windows, Mac, and Linux), the Analog Discovery 3 can be used in the lab, in the field, or even at home - you're no longer tied down to a traditional benchtop and stacks of expensive test instruments
Thanks David for this feedback! Yes I have looked into the Discovery products. They look interesting, but I could never find enough specs on the product to see how they stack up. In the AD3 the PS is only rated to 2 Watts, and the voltmeter at +/- 25V, so it seemed that the various features were somewhat limited. As an example, the PicoScope mdel 2205A has a sample rate of 200Ms/s with an ETS rate up to 4Gs/s while the AD3 is only 125Ms/s The Pico is 25MHz bandwidth while the AD3 is 9MHz. The PicoScope 2205A is $269 which is $100 less than the AD3 but if you want the MSO version 2205A MSO it is $539 but has even better specs. Link to 2205A: amzn.to/46rPs3j
@@KissAnalog well that's true it matters more what you need it for. For my work audio I don't need bandwidth above 1 MHz. The versatility is in the add-on daughter boards, for example a curve Tracer for matching transistors. Impedance and analyzer for tuning speakers and measuring inductors and capacitors at given frequencies. In addition to all that there's audio analyzer Suite software that is great for plotting out distortion and frequency response for audio equipment. Have to be careful we don't get ourselves too wound up in specifications beyond what we really need.
@@davidkclaytonthat's very cool. I didn't know that kit did all that.
Great review! Just curious if you have any thoughts on the new Analog Discovery 3 from Digilent? Would these be of similar use to the Pico or are they of somehow very different products and I'm just not aware of it? I get a bit mixed up in all the scope specs and as I'm looking for my first scope and want to go with something USB rather than a stand alone model.
I'm trying to put together a portable electronics setup as space is at a premium :)
Thanks for the question. The Analog Discovery is built for a specific use - although looks nice, I can not find the specifications that I would expect. It looks expensive for what it is. This picoscope is super nice, but something that is more along the specifications (but better) of the Digilient model is this Pico - and it is an awesome scope - and uses the same software as their higher cost units. amzn.to/3Y5O16L
@@KissAnalog The only reason I am curious is because @EEVblog #1552 was toying around with the Discovery 3 and seemed well impressed with the software possibilities and I was wondering how much overlap there is with something like the pico.
They are likely both well over my head and need for the moment, but I'm working on it :)
I just got my first variable DC power supply (Miniware MDP-P906) a bit ago and have been having fun learning what that is capable of!
Thanks for your feedback! I think I'd go with the Pico so that you are learning from something more like everyone else. I think the Discovery would be good too - but when you grew out of it then you would be looking at a pico;)
@@KissAnalog Thank you for the well reasoned recommendation!
The UI looks farily impressive, wasn't aware of how they improved it over the years. For the first time I'd actually consider these USB scopes from an UI perspective, so thank you for this demo, really interesting! That being said, I still think that 70MHz bandwidth is rather poor, e. g. if you're looking at digital signals with moderately fast edges. Depending on the use case this might or might not matter. Also, the scope has 8-bit ADCs only and does some form of averaging in order to "increase" resolution--it's not like this is a true 12-bit scope. For this you pay a lot more, also with Pico Tech (e. g. 4000 series, 5000 series). In my opinion the pricing is more in the Keysight territory (which I find very unfortunate).
Thanks for the great feedback - and for bringing up some important points - which is exactly what I was trying to highlight;)
Let's compare to the Keysight DSOX1204G:
1) They both have 8 bit A/D but PicoScope provides the option of oversampling to give a 12Bit software - which I showed how well it works
2) The are both 70 MHz scopes - which I feel will be more than enough for many and they do have a rise time of 5ns - so pretty fast
3) Keysight has 2Gs/s vs 1GS/s for PicoScope but also has Equivalent Time Sampling (ETS) up to 10GS/s which is great for repeating waveforms and goes great with the deep memory
4) talking about deep memory, Keysight only has 2 M where PicoScope has a deep 64M (Keysight reserves this for their much more expensive scopes)
5) Keysight is $1633 where PicoScope is $979, so Keysight is 40% higher in price
@@KissAnalog thank you for the long response! True, but I‘d argue that keysight’s offer has a screen and hardware user interface that costs some money (not a lot, but still). Less memory, but better ADC and much more robust front end. So for me my point still stands. 😀 If I had the need and money, I’d still consider the PicoScope as a secondary scope right next to the computer for a quick debugging session. Unfortunately, I can’t justify about 1000€ for a secondary scope right now where my main scope is a ~1500€ Siglent scope… (500 MHz, 10-Bit ERES @100MHz bandwidth)
Agree! Picoscopes have the best software and features - including serial decoders!
And Micsig scopes are the best battery-powered bench scopes available!
Thank for the great feedback! I agree, and I’ll have to do a video on this subject.
Micsig scopes are fun to use as well.
In the future, could you update a Bode plot of the 2207B measuring switchinh mode power supply?
Thank you for the great question! Yes - I will do that;) This is a fantastic subject!
No match with Ets pico
Good video Thanks
Thanks for your feedback! The ETS is a really great added feature.
Eddie, my experience with modern budget meters from China is that while you can override the auto-off feature, the stupid things will still *beep* every 7 minutes or however long the timer is for. I guess they consider this a reminder that the meter is still on, but it's *extremely* annoying.
My first observation of this was after setting a meter up to monitor something overnight and a loud series of beeps occurred some minutes later and this woke someone else in the house :||. I was angry and had to abandon the test. I would desolder the beeper entirely, but it's needed for continuity mode, etc.
In the modern world, "off" rarely means off and increasingly means "less on" :(.
Thanks for this great feedback! I think at least one of my meters falls into this category. I couldn't tell which one was the raskal;)
What is the main difference between the 2407B and 2408B looking at both scope datasheets, in simpler terms, of course?
Great question. I think the 2407B will be great for most people, but the 2408B is 100MHz bandwidth and has more deep memory. But the 2407B is 70MHz which is barely different, and has half the memory - but still way more than most scopes at twice the price.
I have a tektronix tds2002c and a rigol mso5354 but differential probes are beyond my budget. I have to get a scent lcr meter
That Tek shows me that you are sentimental;) That MSO5354 is a beast! If you want a good LCR meter - did you see the one that I reviewed in this video? th-cam.com/video/nDpwUFzNnSc/w-d-xo.html
@@KissAnalog yeah I know. I've been tempted to get it.
I've seen you use the Pico more than any other scope.
I really do like them! They are also easy to share so they work great for TH-cam. Video taping the screen of a scope just isn't the same. However, I do actually use the Micsig a lot just because it is there on the bench and sometimes my laptop is at the desk where I edit videos;)
Why do you have so many DC power supplies?
LOL Some are old that I think I'll get rid of. Some are linear and some are switchers. I have bought some and some I've been given for free to review. Once I do follow up reviews - I'll thin the heard down;)
right click on upper screen to turn off, then you will get full XY screen
Thanks so much!
Did I hear you say 9 1/2 bits? What is a 1/2 half bit?
Thanks for the great question! I wondered that too - and assumed that it was the way that they over sample. I'll let you know when I find out from Pico Technology.
The enhanced resolution works by averaging adjacent samples. Averaging 2 samples gives an extra 1/2 bit effective resolution, 4 samples gives 1 bit, 8 gives extra 1.5 bits, etc. Of course this acts as a lowpass filter, so you are reducing the bandwidth of your signal while doing this. You can calculate the corner frequencies of these filters, but it depends on sample rate so is hard to keep track. I prefer to use the lowpass filters in the math channels, since they also give you more effective bits but usually we have some physical understanding of what frequencies we care about.
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Thank you!
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Cheers! I can't wait to see what else I can learn from your contents!
I really appreciate this video... but it could've been less than 15 minutes long instead of 82 minutes. 90% unnecessary information and 10% gold. Please focus on the 10% and do less rambling in future videos. I know it sounds like I am judging and being a jerk... but that's not my intention... just want you to focus so we can get the info needed and get back to life. Thank you again!
Also, while the Pico (and the MigSig) both seem like great options, the OWN HDS2202S has better (?) specifications for $300. You don't get the ability to go straight to the PC in real-time but the price is hard to argue with... but not having used ANY of these devices myself, I'm speculating purely on 3rd party observations and specifications.
Thanks for the feedback! Actually the HDS2202S doesn't come close and it shows how the MIcSig and PicoScope are actually priced very competitively.
@@KissAnalogthat is really good to know. I purchased the HDS2202S today with the thought that on the outside chance that it doesn't live up to the hype and I need/want to get the MicSig or a PicoScope, I can just keep the HDS2202S since it's portable... and who can't use another DMM?! I'm sure it will suffice for my meager needs for now. Thanks again!
@@KissAnalogI would actually love to know your thoughts on why it doesn't measure up with the MicSig, which has been my favorite up to this point. The Pico is also very attractive but definitely has to be dedicated to a specific location.
Great question. Both other scopes have 4 channels and deep memory. The deep memory is a game changer. I think both scope also have more vertical resolution as the volts/div setting goes lower. But the Pico also can go higher than 8 bit vertical A/D conversion and can also over sample in horizontal resolution to much higher than 1GS/S.
Thanks!
Thanks so much for your generosity!!