I would like to see you ride the 450H in BDR conditions, from highway to full "off road." Ride it hard and document it along the way. Ride safe, but don't baby it.
I would love to see some long distance travels, I'm thinking about getting this himi but the main issue compared to other bikes I feel it might have is the weather protection, so I would like to have your impressions on how the bike feels after 4-6 hours of riding.
not just the protection.. but over all comfort? and can it run 75 80 all day without worry? I commute on my bikes and the speed limit in lots of the country is 70 +
It’s just great . I fitted the taller screen and did a 1500 mile trip to Spain and back from the UK. Took ferry to Spain , rode off-road in Picos mountains then rode back through Spain and France .The bike was just fabulous. Very comfortable and averaged 71mpg for the entire trip which included off-roading and riding back partly on autoroutes at 80 mph.
I vote for highway to dirt trails I live in Texas and not much in the way of technical riding unless you go to a motocross park , but we have bunches of cool back roads.. Plus I'm a big guy kinda like Dork so will it carry me and a enough clothes/gear for a couple of days on the road
Long distance travels as well as BDR rides would be awesome. Also a video on your final opinion on the bike towards the end of your loan and if it still stays true to your initial impression. Of course, putting up the bike against the CF450MT will bring in a lot of viewers as well. The dudes at Mad TV (Australia) had great content on this bike. I'd watch their stuff to get some ideas as well. Also, a video comparing it to other beginner adventure bikes, and which you would recommend to a beginner, and which you would keep for yourself. Thanks Ian, looking forward to the upcoming content ! PS - i bought this bike thanks to your initial impression video from a few months back. Your opinion definitely influences the choices your viewers make. Cheers.
Would like to see it doing what 90% of owners might do with it, commuting, to and from trail riding and weekend camping trips. Showing maintenance and upkeep along the way. Is it hot to set on in traffic, hows it maneuver in a parking lot. Handling on highway, gravel, dirt and rough roads, hows it handle camping gear on the highway kind of stuff.
A few things: 1) would love to see oil change process, including all screens and filters, specifically looking for fragments in 1st oil change 2) would be keen on hearing more about using aftermarket crash bars, and how this influences the OEM warranty; have heard this will be voided 3) insights on the tubeless wheels (from those that have used them) on the Himi
FInaly, realy looking forward to this one Ian! This is probably on the radar of a lot of riders, so a in depth series on the himmie 450 is greatly welcome!
I would really like to see a longer trip. I’m curious if this bike is not only capable, but formidable holding 80 mph down interstate. Also curious if this bike is a reasonable choice to take on a BDR. Thank you.
I'm a gen1 Wee rider and the Himmy 450 is on my radar for more better offroad.. but not sure the 452cc is enough to satisfy..budget will not allow the fancy cool mid weight twins.. will stay tuned 👍
I'm going to be following this intently. I have friends who own T-7s, but their budgets are bigger than mine for the foreseeable future.. I feel like I could use this for at least 75% of where they go. A real daily commuter and BDR rider for me, but I'm reserving my full enthusiasm.. My only real gripe is that this model has too much beginner vibe. There is no upgrade model to graduate to. I understand the price point, but I feel like this bike needs a bigger brother. Personally, I'd like to make a single bike purchase, and be content with it. I don't need a badass machine, but I'm not looking for entry level either. If R.E. revised their 650 engine, and offered a true upgrade, I would be all-in. They have a great opportunity to take a big chunk out of the KLR crowd, if they make a higher performing option.
It pretty much already out performs the KLR. I think we really need to get away from a bike having a bigger engine being an “upgrade”. It’s hardly ever true for your average rider. A bike being beginner friendly is not always a beginner bike.
@@MikesProjectsandHobbiesMC I'll agree, but I guess what I'm getting at is this.. If someone on a KLR or this 450 wants to move up, where do they go? What true ADV (not dual sport) is offered in a similar weight class, with similar or better suspension and brakes, and maybe 55-ish HP? The T-7, Tuareg, Transalp, etc. are all big price and performance jumps. I guess I'm just looking for a bike that doesn't force the intent to move up. I'd just like a more substantial bike, that could be a permanent ride. Kawasaki is hinting at a new KLE model, but we'll see. Basically, I'd like a big bore dual sport, but with a windshield, big seat, extra room, some electronics, and accessories. This Himy is exactly what I want, except for the low power.
@ To stay at a manageable weight you would need to go with KTM or similar. I don’t buy into the “mid weight” adventure market. For the most part there isn’t enough weight savings at the mid weight level. Example, a KLR is only about 50lbs lighter than a R1250GS. Why mess with something in the middle of that weight difference? LOL
@@MikesProjectsandHobbiesMC The unicorn bike for me would be 55hp, 400lbs, and all the normal ADV goods. I like the Husky 701, but again, no ADV stuff. It's a big dual sport, and a LOT more money. I agree that most "middle weights" are just slightly smaller versions of the big bikes. To me, a true middle weight would be about 1/4 lighter, and about half the power. I think there is too big of a gap between the big bikes and entry bikes. What they consider the "middle" is too far skewed to either side for my tastes.
@ That and the cost of new bikes is why I think Adventure Touring on dual sports is a growing thing. :-) Just did 1200+ mile camping/desert trip on my KLX400 AKA DRZ400. No regrets at all and can’t wait to do it again.
@Ian one of my questions I would like addressed is, are there to your knowledge aftermarket front fender options to address off-road riding conditions? On the press launch I recall the front fender on a lot of the RE450's the journalists were riding got clogged with mud and stopped the front tire to the point the fender had to be removed.
I live in Austria and have ridden the Himalayan 450 and the CF-Moto 450 this summer. I liked both of them a lot. Still I don´t know if I would replace my CRF 300 Rally with one of them. They are both much better regarding power and suspension, yet the Honda is everything Honda is known for. I am looking forward to your opinion on the two 450s and which you would choose. Have fun and keep up your most comprehensive reviews!
I plan to use mine primarily for on-road touring having grown tired of heavier and more powerful Harleys and adventure bikes. I found a pretty good and much larger windscreen from Unit Garage. The only disappointment with it is that it slightly impacts turning radius after I fit RE handguards to the bike. I think I can live with it or perhaps slightly modify the screen. Looking forward to whatever insights you provide going forward. Your content is exceptional! Thank you.
Ian, while I will consume your Himalayan 450 content as you see fit to produce it, I would love to see content around, "crap, I broke X, Y, & Z in a spill and showcase your dealer experience. I would posit that OEM replacement parts, dealer support, and aftermarket options are just as important as "how does this bike perform within the given market segment?" Thanks for all you do! - Don.
@@BigRockMoto BTW, really enjoyed your GS video. When you need to stretch the GS' legs, come to Missouri. I live on the Ozark Plateau in SW Missouri and we have insanely beautiful riding here. You'll have a place to stay. Cheers. -Don
Let's do all of it. It's one of three bikes I will get next. Currently on a 2007 KLR 650 and she is good to go off road but I have to ring her neck at AZ highway speeds. I need something that can handle BDRs and still tour enough on the road where I can bring my gear. Thanks Ian. Most complete motorcycle review in the lower 48. Appreciate the work.
Hi Ian, Would love to see a trip with updates of Likes and dislikes On-Road & Off along the stops of the trip. Brief comparisons vs. price category as well. Thank you, you’re the best Ice Cream Man. I’m always anxiously waiting for you to bring new content to my neighborhood.
I think your comparison videos, and long-ish term reviews are extremely important for those of us who don't have the ability to ride a desired bike for more than a 10 minute test ride outside of the dealership. Keep doing what you're doing! However, your BDR video was very entertaining.
Personally I hate camping without comfort. The reason many chooses a larger ride is to be able to pack stuff. I want you to pack a tent large enough to sit in on a chair, preferably with a cotbed and a side table. I usally drive to a remote area make camp then explore on fot or if I drove a car I might take a bike with me. What I would want to do with the Himalayan is to do some slow single line driving to reach lakes to fish or hilltops for the view. I think that the 411 spoke to us that uses the vehicle more as a means to and end rather than the goal itself. And if I can have fun riding it, good. In essence look at it from the view a fisherman might have of a fishing boat. The fishing boat you haul behind or in your truckbed up into the mountains.
I've been doing a lot of city riding on my Himmy 450, its been great so far. My plan is to ride a few hours to get to easy off road rides. I am definitely curious about the "touring" capabilities and the comfort level on longer road trips. Looking forward to your videos!
Thanks Ian, glad to see you do more affordable bikes I too have been thinking about getting the Royal Enfield Himalayan 450 I'll go tubeless for sure. My 06 KLR650 is in a sad state. I'll admit I've neglected it and now my super wore out key will not turn it on any longer all the red plastic is faded pink it is going to be my Alaska bucket list bike build next year. I think if the 450 Himalayan is a throw away bike I'll be okay with that.
I'm very interested in this bike. Went and looked at one and it has me tempted to sell my T7. The low seat height, thought out details, good stock suspension, reasonable power etc is very interesting. It also looks really good to my eye.
Let’s get the bike off road ready. Folding foot controls, engine guard that sticks out far enough to help prevent your feet from getting crushed. Steering damper. Enduro seat. Thank you for the great videos.
Gonna say the same thing that people have already mentioned - BDR Stuff/Adventure stuff. (preferably multi day) I'd love to see you have an adventure with all the ups and downs, solo or with somebody. When i watch your Trip video series, I feel like a small part of me is there with you. 🤝 A.
Thank you for this. Your detailed review and viewpoints are very important for bike enthusiast worldwide. Two things I would request for future content on this: 1. Longer ride review ( like everyone else is suggesting), but with mixed riding on and off-road ( I think MAD TV guys did a 10k kms off-road test, so this will nicely complement that content. Upgrades you'll recommend based on this long term use. 2. Comparison to other bikes, not just the three you mentioned, but also speculations with ones coming out in 2025 in similar category e.g. drz- 4s
Looking forward to the series, and looking forward to your thoughts on longer distance rides! I'm 2-4 hours from any good riding, so i want something that can get me there and back somewhat comfortably without having to trailer.
Hi Ian, when I was choosing a new bike, I rode the Himi 450 and the MT450. Both are good choices, but each will suit a slightly different rider. I am more relaxed rider and I like single cylinder, I chose the Himalayan 450. Under the engine I have a rally cover with a tube protector directly from Royal Enfield. I have also higher plexiglass from them. Both these upgrades were free from dealer to new buyers. I also mounted Mitas E-09 tires, hand protectors from SW Motech, and rackless panniers. I am only 170cm and the handlebars feel far from my body, so now I am looking for a handlebar riser with offset. Otherwise I am satisfied and it is a great bike for longer trips. For shorter trips I have a CRF300L. Greetings from the Czechia and enjoy new Himi 450.
I looked at this bike as a potential option for a 3 years RTW trip. Would love to see more long distance owner review to understand whether it is the right fit. Thanks Ian
Was wondering if you had considered doing anything (assuming anything can be done), regarding that close-fitting lower front mudguard? Just remembering the jam-ups Dork In The Road(?) had on that group trip (BDR?).
I'd like to know the torque curve figures and the feeling of the bike when riding really slow - like old man style of relaxed riding - with a lot of weight on it - and how it is compared to the Ibex 450. which on has the most useable torquecurve and best feel to it. never mind top speed but highway cruising - which is the most relaxed.
Il enjoy everything related to this bike mate...bcoz i owned one ..i really lived this bike ..and im gonna ride forever.....Thanks to RE for producing suchba fabulous bike .🔥
Hey Ian, I think it's quite interesting how Europe has a completely different set of brands than North America. We have Kriega, you have Mosko Moto, we have Rukka, you have Klim. I think you'd expand your viewer base if you reviewed Rukka gear, it's exception quality and known for colder weather riding (which I know isn't your thing, but some places in the US are about to get cold!)
I have a KLX 250 and it is my adventure bike here in the Black hills of South Dakota I'm looking at also purchasing a separate bike for a little bit longer rides something kind of like this royal enfield I like a comparison if you have time on this type of bike compared to a KLX 250 for that longer type of trail rides with some off-road inclines rocks going through creeks and bumps and things like that thank you so much keep up the great work
Thank you for this video Because of your question of making your videos: In my opinion I think the mixture of themes in your videos is absolutely ok.👍 For you and your family a merry christmas and a happy new year. Best wishes from the "weserbergland" in Germany
Hi Ian, I'd like to see some back country moto camping with this bike. Maybe a harder to reach location to test out the it's off road chops with some camping gear in the reckless 40.
Would be cool if you did a front end conversation on this. Remove the metal tank bars, the rally tower and headlight, and replaced it with for example a baja design LP9 unit. And also did some overall weight reduction.
⭕️ maby a 3 day trip with all camping gear "necessary" ... nothing extra ... with an even split of on/off road riding. nothing "extreme" off road... just a simple camping trip style trip.
I live in Western Washington and I ride year round. When I bought my Africa Twin (ATAS), it had a tall windscreen on it that blocked the wind entirely from my helmet. In hot weather, the wind didn't reach the cooling vents on my helmet. In cold weather, particularly when it was wet, my faceshield fogged up. I replaced the stock windscreen with a short windscreen from an AT. That helped. What I want to know is, does the stock windscreen on the Himalayan 450 block air from the body? As long as I don't have to lean into the wind or hang on for dear life, I'm good.
I'd like to see it being used in the urban/city environment, commuting, luggage usage. If I was buying one this is where it would spend 90% of its time..lots of other 'Tubers' are doing off road/trails etc but no-one is doing urban which is odd as most owners will be in urban areas. Thanks, Steve,UK.
Still haven’t pinched a tube with my Baja No Pinch, just saying. LOL. I’m running 804/805s on a couple bikes. I even have a set on my R1250GS. I have zero complaints. As far as what to test? I don’t know, it’s pretty much a better KLR with questionable manufacturing/build quality. 😊
I just want you to drop it as much as you can to test the most failable parts :) I have the same exact model and i'm planning to travel with it and bring it off road, so i would like to be prepared. Plus, check the Acerbis kit for the Himalaya 450. They made an entire catalogue for it and it's just great.
Really wanna see a trip! with a 70/30 road/off-road, which would be very like the purpose this bike will likely server for most buyers :) i for one would love a trip comparison like that between the RE and the CFmoto :)
Hi Ian, if you have the chance it would be good to play with the screens. There is the OEM touring screen but also after market ones (much wider). And Acerbis has a 23l fuel tank I think. One of the plus of this bike will be accesories I reckon (over time)
Looks like you have it covered. BDR, BDR, BDR. Is this the bike to have, to get you there and back, while having fun the whole time? Including how it performs on the hard sections, deep sand, etc. I'm looking for the correct bike to eventually replace my big bikes for something easier to manage but capable on long road sections (trips to/from the BDR route). I don't see anything in the "middle weight" range bikes where I think I would be any better off than my 1190 or AT. I want to scale down eventually because I'm not getting any younger but want to keep riding the back country. This may be the platform? Your opinion is valued for said scenario.
I would like to know more about gas mileage under different conditions. Its common for many US channels to completely disregard consumption as you still have access to cheap fuel. A real-world consumption between this, the Ibex and the KLR would be interesting for those paying over $10 a gallon..
i own the hanle black tubeless, put the rally skidplate and engine protection on it to start, i would like to see a built that would make sense for adv camping, a balanced do it all bike, for me personally out of the box it is already very solid. i know the levers and gear and breakpedals are from soft steel because if they bend you can bend them back easily when you are out on adv, but it is a budget bike so a budget built would be great
I'd like to see you talk Veridian Cruise into making a unit for this bike. Also, I'd like to see you take it on some trails that are slightly harder than you're normally comfortable with. That's always fun content, and then last I'd like to see you figure out a way to install a tall windscreen setup that will make for a really comfortable enjoyable ride with low wind noise at 70ish. Oh and also run the tank dry and give us a fuel range update.
Hey, Ian, I'm currently moto-camping a lot with my Gen3 KLR650, and I'm wondering how long I can manage its size and weight off pavement as I age. I'm 55, 5'11", and in good shape for now, but even so, it tends to be the size and weight that gets me into trouble in the woods. As this lifestyle becomes more of a daily existence, I feel i may need something lighter and shorter BUT still able to carry the load of life full-time on the road/trail. I know you plan to test the Himalayan on long trips and BDR-style riding, so I'm curious if you think it'll suffice for the RTW life? Thanks! And thanks for all of your great reviews.
Pretty much what others have said. I have a CRF300 and am a bigger guy so longer trips and getting to a BDR is out of the question. What I want to know is this a good choice for an upgrade to do those things or do I need to consider going to a Tuareg/T7 class machine?
It would be neat to see if you can trick it out like you did for the Transalp. It doesn't seem like the aftermarket industry has done a lot for the Himi 450 yet. At least ourside of India.
I kime watching trip videos, Long or short. During the trip, the occasional word about how the bike is doing is fine, but use the majority of the time reacting to, and talking about the scenery, and land features as you encounter them. I am getting my Himalayan 450 in a few months.
I was curious about the s version of the klr650. Was wondering if the shorter seat hight and shorter travel compromise much compared to the standard klr650
Thank you Ian for your amazing videos and I look forward to your in-depth comparison with the KLR650. I own a 2023 KLR (with many mods) and really enjoy riding it despite it's heavy and very mellow nature. The new Himalayan looks very tempting, but I'm 6'4" and the bike felt a bit small and cramped when sitting on one at the dealer. Maybe this could be somewhat remedied with higher handlebars, risers and a taller windscreen. If you have the time..... any thoughts on that? Best wishes to you and your family for the New Year.
I am considering the Himalayan, CF MOTO 450 MT and a second hand Aprilia Tuareg for ADV touring in Europe -- that means riding say 800 Kms to Albania, spending several days on their gravel roads and then riding back. I'd be interested on your opinion on how suitable this bike is for that kind of use. And yes, midlife crisis is highly recommended, go for it.
Does the Himalayan 450 exhibit any unpleasant characteristics at highway speeds? I had a DR-Z400S that would begin to oscillate at about a half Hertz when it hit about 73 mph.
I'm interested in seeing how that stock skid plate holds up before you replace it. Other than the oem rally parts there aren't many aftermarket plates available after a couple bikes fell apart.
I feel that there are a lot of people interested in the 400lbs +/- motorcycle market. Maybe load the Hemi down and go on a short trip to give people an idea of what it would be like on a real-life adventure. Most won't use it on anything more difficult than double track and fire roads
I love your channel BTW. I'd like to see a comparison between the Himalayan 411 and the 450. Like off road how do they differ, handle, etc. What official Royal Enfield options are available for it. I own a 411 am planning to get a 450 next year when they work the bugs out like crazy low kickstand
The RE is 100 pounds heavier so no it won't be the same. Plus the Honda is a dressed up dirt bike and the RE is an ADV bike. The Himalayan will tour better because of its weight and comfort. The Rally will probably do better off road but how much better is depending on the rider.
Can you make a video based on its off-road capability and especially is it a good beginner- intermediate off-road motorcycle. And please include the royal Enfield rally kit on it; it looks dope and purposefull🙌🏾
Loud pipes - yep, here in North Georgia mountains, the locals are getting traction with law enforcement, and county code enforcement, to possibly target riders next year. They are tired of continual loud noise (esp weekends) out here in the country, as well as high speed right outside their front doors. Not going to end well for us...
For me, it would be interesting to see some offroad and also some highway/commute. I would buy this kind of bike as a 2nd bike after my GS. For example, in Romania or Albania , I dont like the GS because of the size and weight is too much for me during offroad (its more a skill issue on my side :D )
i know your channel is mostly adv content but most people will also commute on this bike. so dont forget to include some daily city activities in your test if you can.
Interesting bike, Ian. I would like to see you push it to the limit as far as a small adventure machine. How would it work for a long road ride, then hit a BDR-type trail and ride home? Probably beyond the scope of what you can do with a loaner, but it would be interesting to see how the suspension could be improved.
I was surprised to see an Acerbis tank available. Blatt has removed a bunch of weight making it a sort of rally version. I suppose if you wanted a sort of adventure traveller, but otherwise just buy a Honda 450.
I would like to see it on an Adventure ride. On road to off road. Bring all the stuff to camp. Can it do it well? Then how off road is this bike? More like a dual sport or more road...
It's very hard to find reviews of the Himi 450 on sand, it would be great to have your impressions on that, especially if you're planning to do some traveling (with all your luggage on it). Thanks in advance.
This bike may replace my Gen 2 KLR. I thought that was not possible. I do want to know the passenger comfort on it. I know you don’t ride with your wife much anymore, but it’s a future consideration for me.
Can you turn it into a hover-bike? No, I am joking of course. But I'd like to see where it's limits are on a technical off-road trail. I know it's not purpose build for that, but if it can go a long way, maybe it could replace a few bikes
I want to know why everyone ignores the short valve check/adjustment interval on this "cheap" bike? I hear it is very expensive and time consuming. It is a major hesitation I have with this bike.
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I would like to see you ride the 450H in BDR conditions, from highway to full "off road." Ride it hard and document it along the way.
Ride safe, but don't baby it.
That is the plan, to test it in all conditions.
I would love to see some long distance travels, I'm thinking about getting this himi but the main issue compared to other bikes I feel it might have is the weather protection, so I would like to have your impressions on how the bike feels after 4-6 hours of riding.
It’s a good question, I will definitely be doing some longer rides to get a better impression on that.
not just the protection.. but over all comfort? and can it run 75 80 all day without worry? I commute on my bikes and the speed limit in lots of the country is 70 +
It’s just great . I fitted the taller screen and did a 1500 mile trip to Spain and back from the UK. Took ferry to Spain , rode off-road in Picos mountains then rode back through Spain and France .The bike was just fabulous. Very comfortable and averaged 71mpg for the entire trip which included off-roading and riding back partly on autoroutes at 80 mph.
@@RonMorganabsolutely . Rode mine back to UK from Spain on autoroute at 80 mph .No problem.
I vote for highway to dirt trails I live in Texas and not much in the way of technical riding unless you go to a motocross park , but we have bunches of cool back roads..
Plus I'm a big guy kinda like Dork so will it carry me and a enough clothes/gear for a couple of days on the road
Long distance travels as well as BDR rides would be awesome. Also a video on your final opinion on the bike towards the end of your loan and if it still stays true to your initial impression. Of course, putting up the bike against the CF450MT will bring in a lot of viewers as well.
The dudes at Mad TV (Australia) had great content on this bike. I'd watch their stuff to get some ideas as well.
Also, a video comparing it to other beginner adventure bikes, and which you would recommend to a beginner, and which you would keep for yourself.
Thanks Ian, looking forward to the upcoming content !
PS - i bought this bike thanks to your initial impression video from a few months back. Your opinion definitely influences the choices your viewers make.
Cheers.
Would like to see it doing what 90% of owners might do with it, commuting, to and from trail riding and weekend camping trips. Showing maintenance and upkeep along the way. Is it hot to set on in traffic, hows it maneuver in a parking lot. Handling on highway, gravel, dirt and rough roads, hows it handle camping gear on the highway kind of stuff.
A few things:
1) would love to see oil change process, including all screens and filters, specifically looking for fragments in 1st oil change
2) would be keen on hearing more about using aftermarket crash bars, and how this influences the OEM warranty; have heard this will be voided
3) insights on the tubeless wheels (from those that have used them) on the Himi
FInaly, realy looking forward to this one Ian! This is probably on the radar of a lot of riders, so a in depth series on the himmie 450 is greatly welcome!
That 3 way comparison with the CFMoto, Himi and KLR will be awesome!
Morning from new Zealand 🇳🇿 just brought a Guerrilla 450 and really enjoying it same engine as Himalayan
Cheers ✔️ 🍻
Nice to see you with the Royal Enfield ! 😃 Looking forward your comparaison program 😉
I would really like to see a longer trip. I’m curious if this bike is not only capable, but formidable holding 80 mph down interstate. Also curious if this bike is a reasonable choice to take on a BDR. Thank you.
That is definitely the plan, to see if this bike can truly handle a longer trip.
Go watch Forgotten Motorcycles review. He’s put 12,000 miles of touring on the bike it’s a great review.
@@thematturlookingfor17k now.
I'm a gen1 Wee rider and the Himmy 450 is on my radar for more better offroad.. but not sure the 452cc is enough to satisfy..budget will not allow the fancy cool mid weight twins.. will stay tuned 👍
I'm going to be following this intently. I have friends who own T-7s, but their budgets are bigger than mine for the foreseeable future.. I feel like I could use this for at least 75% of where they go. A real daily commuter and BDR rider for me, but I'm reserving my full enthusiasm.. My only real gripe is that this model has too much beginner vibe. There is no upgrade model to graduate to. I understand the price point, but I feel like this bike needs a bigger brother. Personally, I'd like to make a single bike purchase, and be content with it. I don't need a badass machine, but I'm not looking for entry level either. If R.E. revised their 650 engine, and offered a true upgrade, I would be all-in. They have a great opportunity to take a big chunk out of the KLR crowd, if they make a higher performing option.
It pretty much already out performs the KLR. I think we really need to get away from a bike having a bigger engine being an “upgrade”. It’s hardly ever true for your average rider. A bike being beginner friendly is not always a beginner bike.
@@MikesProjectsandHobbiesMC I'll agree, but I guess what I'm getting at is this.. If someone on a KLR or this 450 wants to move up, where do they go? What true ADV (not dual sport) is offered in a similar weight class, with similar or better suspension and brakes, and maybe 55-ish HP? The T-7, Tuareg, Transalp, etc. are all big price and performance jumps. I guess I'm just looking for a bike that doesn't force the intent to move up. I'd just like a more substantial bike, that could be a permanent ride. Kawasaki is hinting at a new KLE model, but we'll see. Basically, I'd like a big bore dual sport, but with a windshield, big seat, extra room, some electronics, and accessories. This Himy is exactly what I want, except for the low power.
@ To stay at a manageable weight you would need to go with KTM or similar. I don’t buy into the “mid weight” adventure market. For the most part there isn’t enough weight savings at the mid weight level. Example, a KLR is only about 50lbs lighter than a R1250GS. Why mess with something in the middle of that weight difference? LOL
@@MikesProjectsandHobbiesMC The unicorn bike for me would be 55hp, 400lbs, and all the normal ADV goods. I like the Husky 701, but again, no ADV stuff. It's a big dual sport, and a LOT more money. I agree that most "middle weights" are just slightly smaller versions of the big bikes. To me, a true middle weight would be about 1/4 lighter, and about half the power. I think there is too big of a gap between the big bikes and entry bikes. What they consider the "middle" is too far skewed to either side for my tastes.
@ That and the cost of new bikes is why I think Adventure Touring on dual sports is a growing thing. :-) Just did 1200+ mile camping/desert trip on my KLX400 AKA DRZ400. No regrets at all and can’t wait to do it again.
@Ian one of my questions I would like addressed is, are there to your knowledge aftermarket front fender options to address off-road riding conditions? On the press launch I recall the front fender on a lot of the RE450's the journalists were riding got clogged with mud and stopped the front tire to the point the fender had to be removed.
I live in Austria and have ridden the Himalayan 450 and the CF-Moto 450 this summer. I liked both of them a lot. Still I don´t know if I would replace my CRF 300 Rally with one of them. They are both much better regarding power and suspension, yet the Honda is everything Honda is known for. I am looking forward to your opinion on the two 450s and which you would choose. Have fun and keep up your most comprehensive reviews!
Looking good! I want to see this bike do some gnarly single track and see what you have to say about it. Honestly, do whatever too, I'll watch.
I plan to use mine primarily for on-road touring having grown tired of heavier and more powerful Harleys and adventure bikes. I found a pretty good and much larger windscreen from Unit Garage. The only disappointment with it is that it slightly impacts turning radius after I fit RE handguards to the bike. I think I can live with it or perhaps slightly modify the screen.
Looking forward to whatever insights you provide going forward. Your content is exceptional! Thank you.
Ian, while I will consume your Himalayan 450 content as you see fit to produce it, I would love to see content around, "crap, I broke X, Y, & Z in a spill and showcase your dealer experience. I would posit that OEM replacement parts, dealer support, and aftermarket options are just as important as "how does this bike perform within the given market segment?" Thanks for all you do! - Don.
Great suggestion, I appreciate the feedback.
@@BigRockMoto BTW, really enjoyed your GS video. When you need to stretch the GS' legs, come to Missouri. I live on the Ozark Plateau in SW Missouri and we have insanely beautiful riding here. You'll have a place to stay. Cheers.
-Don
Great idea & I agree
Let's do all of it. It's one of three bikes I will get next. Currently on a 2007 KLR 650 and she is good to go off road but I have to ring her neck at AZ highway speeds. I need something that can handle BDRs and still tour enough on the road where I can bring my gear. Thanks Ian. Most complete motorcycle review in the lower 48. Appreciate the work.
Hi Ian, Would love to see a trip with updates of Likes and dislikes On-Road & Off along the stops of the trip. Brief comparisons vs. price category as well. Thank you, you’re the best Ice Cream Man. I’m always anxiously waiting for you to bring new content to my neighborhood.
I think your comparison videos, and long-ish term reviews are extremely important for those of us who don't have the ability to ride a desired bike for more than a 10 minute test ride outside of the dealership. Keep doing what you're doing! However, your BDR video was very entertaining.
Personally I hate camping without comfort. The reason many chooses a larger ride is to be able to pack stuff. I want you to pack a tent large enough to sit in on a chair, preferably with a cotbed and a side table. I usally drive to a remote area make camp then explore on fot or if I drove a car I might take a bike with me. What I would want to do with the Himalayan is to do some slow single line driving to reach lakes to fish or hilltops for the view. I think that the 411 spoke to us that uses the vehicle more as a means to and end rather than the goal itself. And if I can have fun riding it, good. In essence look at it from the view a fisherman might have of a fishing boat. The fishing boat you haul behind or in your truckbed up into the mountains.
I've been doing a lot of city riding on my Himmy 450, its been great so far. My plan is to ride a few hours to get to easy off road rides. I am definitely curious about the "touring" capabilities and the comfort level on longer road trips.
Looking forward to your videos!
Thanks Ian, glad to see you do more affordable bikes I too have been thinking about getting the Royal Enfield Himalayan 450 I'll go tubeless for sure. My 06 KLR650 is in a sad state. I'll admit I've neglected it and now my super wore out key will not turn it on any longer all the red plastic is faded pink it is going to be my Alaska bucket list bike build next year. I think if the 450 Himalayan is a throw away bike I'll be okay with that.
i've been waiting for this!
I'm very interested in this bike. Went and looked at one and it has me tempted to sell my T7. The low seat height, thought out details, good stock suspension, reasonable power etc is very interesting. It also looks really good to my eye.
Let’s get the bike off road ready. Folding foot controls, engine guard that sticks out far enough to help prevent your feet from getting crushed. Steering damper. Enduro seat. Thank you for the great videos.
Gonna say the same thing that people have already mentioned - BDR Stuff/Adventure stuff. (preferably multi day)
I'd love to see you have an adventure with all the ups and downs, solo or with somebody.
When i watch your Trip video series, I feel like a small part of me is there with you.
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Thank you for this. Your detailed review and viewpoints are very important for bike enthusiast worldwide. Two things I would request for future content on this:
1. Longer ride review ( like everyone else is suggesting), but with mixed riding on and off-road ( I think MAD TV guys did a 10k kms off-road test, so this will nicely complement that content. Upgrades you'll recommend based on this long term use.
2. Comparison to other bikes, not just the three you mentioned, but also speculations with ones coming out in 2025 in similar category e.g. drz- 4s
Looking forward to the series, and looking forward to your thoughts on longer distance rides! I'm 2-4 hours from any good riding, so i want something that can get me there and back somewhat comfortably without having to trailer.
Hi Ian, when I was choosing a new bike, I rode the Himi 450 and the MT450. Both are good choices, but each will suit a slightly different rider. I am more relaxed rider and I like single cylinder, I chose the Himalayan 450. Under the engine I have a rally cover with a tube protector directly from Royal Enfield. I have also higher plexiglass from them. Both these upgrades were free from dealer to new buyers. I also mounted Mitas E-09 tires, hand protectors from SW Motech, and rackless panniers. I am only 170cm and the handlebars feel far from my body, so now I am looking for a handlebar riser with offset. Otherwise I am satisfied and it is a great bike for longer trips. For shorter trips I have a CRF300L. Greetings from the Czechia and enjoy new Himi 450.
I looked at this bike as a potential option for a 3 years RTW trip. Would love to see more long distance owner review to understand whether it is the right fit. Thanks Ian
Was wondering if you had considered doing anything (assuming anything can be done), regarding that close-fitting lower front mudguard? Just remembering the jam-ups Dork In The Road(?) had on that group trip (BDR?).
Hey shoutout to Revzilla. Gotta get Spurg & Zach/Ari all together someday
I'd like to know the torque curve figures and the feeling of the bike when riding really slow - like old man style of relaxed riding - with a lot of weight on it - and how it is compared to the Ibex 450. which on has the most useable torquecurve and best feel to it. never mind top speed but highway cruising - which is the most relaxed.
Il enjoy everything related to this bike mate...bcoz i owned one ..i really lived this bike ..and im gonna ride forever.....Thanks to RE for producing suchba fabulous bike .🔥
It’s a great bike!
Hey Ian, I think it's quite interesting how Europe has a completely different set of brands than North America. We have Kriega, you have Mosko Moto, we have Rukka, you have Klim. I think you'd expand your viewer base if you reviewed Rukka gear, it's exception quality and known for colder weather riding (which I know isn't your thing, but some places in the US are about to get cold!)
I have a KLX 250 and it is my adventure bike here in the Black hills of South Dakota I'm looking at also purchasing a separate bike for a little bit longer rides something kind of like this royal enfield I like a comparison if you have time on this type of bike compared to a KLX 250 for that longer type of trail rides with some off-road inclines rocks going through creeks and bumps and things like that thank you so much keep up the great work
Thank you for this video
Because of your question of making your videos:
In my opinion I think the mixture of themes in your videos is absolutely ok.👍
For you and your family a merry christmas and a happy new year.
Best wishes from the "weserbergland" in Germany
Hi Ian, I'd like to see some back country moto camping with this bike. Maybe a harder to reach location to test out the it's off road chops with some camping gear in the reckless 40.
Would be cool if you did a front end conversation on this. Remove the metal tank bars, the rally tower and headlight, and replaced it with for example a baja design LP9 unit. And also did some overall weight reduction.
touring. does it do ok with luggage and going the grape vine ?
⭕️ maby a 3 day trip with all camping gear "necessary" ... nothing extra ... with an even split of on/off road riding. nothing "extreme" off road... just a simple camping trip style trip.
I live in Western Washington and I ride year round. When I bought my Africa Twin (ATAS), it had a tall windscreen on it that blocked the wind entirely from my helmet. In hot weather, the wind didn't reach the cooling vents on my helmet. In cold weather, particularly when it was wet, my faceshield fogged up. I replaced the stock windscreen with a short windscreen from an AT. That helped.
What I want to know is, does the stock windscreen on the Himalayan 450 block air from the body? As long as I don't have to lean into the wind or hang on for dear life, I'm good.
I'd like to see it being used in the urban/city environment, commuting, luggage usage. If I was buying one this is where it would spend 90% of its time..lots of other 'Tubers' are doing off road/trails etc but no-one is doing urban which is odd as most owners will be in urban areas. Thanks, Steve,UK.
Still haven’t pinched a tube with my Baja No Pinch, just saying. LOL. I’m running 804/805s on a couple bikes. I even have a set on my R1250GS. I have zero complaints.
As far as what to test? I don’t know, it’s pretty much a better KLR with questionable manufacturing/build quality. 😊
I just want you to drop it as much as you can to test the most failable parts :) I have the same exact model and i'm planning to travel with it and bring it off road, so i would like to be prepared.
Plus, check the Acerbis kit for the Himalaya 450. They made an entire catalogue for it and it's just great.
Really wanna see a trip! with a 70/30 road/off-road, which would be very like the purpose this bike will likely server for most buyers :) i for one would love a trip comparison like that between the RE and the CFmoto :)
Hi Ian, if you have the chance it would be good to play with the screens. There is the OEM touring screen but also after market ones (much wider).
And Acerbis has a 23l fuel tank I think.
One of the plus of this bike will be accesories I reckon (over time)
Looks like you have it covered. BDR, BDR, BDR. Is this the bike to have, to get you there and back, while having fun the whole time? Including how it performs on the hard sections, deep sand, etc. I'm looking for the correct bike to eventually replace my big bikes for something easier to manage but capable on long road sections (trips to/from the BDR route). I don't see anything in the "middle weight" range bikes where I think I would be any better off than my 1190 or AT. I want to scale down eventually because I'm not getting any younger but want to keep riding the back country. This may be the platform? Your opinion is valued for said scenario.
I would like to know more about gas mileage under different conditions. Its common for many US channels to completely disregard consumption as you still have access to cheap fuel. A real-world consumption between this, the Ibex and the KLR would be interesting for those paying over $10 a gallon..
Love the content, please consider doing some weekend off road trips please
i own the hanle black tubeless, put the rally skidplate and engine protection on it to start, i would like to see a built that would make sense for adv camping, a balanced do it all bike, for me personally out of the box it is already very solid. i know the levers and gear and breakpedals are from soft steel because if they bend you can bend them back easily when you are out on adv, but it is a budget bike so a budget built would be great
I'd like to see you talk Veridian Cruise into making a unit for this bike. Also, I'd like to see you take it on some trails that are slightly harder than you're normally comfortable with. That's always fun content, and then last I'd like to see you figure out a way to install a tall windscreen setup that will make for a really comfortable enjoyable ride with low wind noise at 70ish. Oh and also run the tank dry and give us a fuel range update.
I contacted Veridian and they said they are working on cruise control for this bike. Might be released in the Spring 🤞
I would definitely like to see a detailed comparison between this bike and the KLR both on and off road.
Hey, Ian, I'm currently moto-camping a lot with my Gen3 KLR650, and I'm wondering how long I can manage its size and weight off pavement as I age. I'm 55, 5'11", and in good shape for now, but even so, it tends to be the size and weight that gets me into trouble in the woods. As this lifestyle becomes more of a daily existence, I feel i may need something lighter and shorter BUT still able to carry the load of life full-time on the road/trail. I know you plan to test the Himalayan on long trips and BDR-style riding, so I'm curious if you think it'll suffice for the RTW life? Thanks! And thanks for all of your great reviews.
59 year old here looking at the 450 for 80/20 riding. The 20% off-road will be gentle dirt & fire roads.
Pretty much what others have said. I have a CRF300 and am a bigger guy so longer trips and getting to a BDR is out of the question. What I want to know is this a good choice for an upgrade to do those things or do I need to consider going to a Tuareg/T7 class machine?
It would be neat to see if you can trick it out like you did for the Transalp. It doesn't seem like the aftermarket industry has done a lot for the Himi 450 yet. At least ourside of India.
I'd be interested to see if there was a workable modification to raise slightly the front mudguard (without interference to the suspension travel)
I kime watching trip videos, Long or short. During the trip, the occasional word about how the bike is doing is fine, but use the majority of the time reacting to, and talking about the scenery, and land features as you encounter them.
I am getting my Himalayan 450 in a few months.
I was curious about the s version of the klr650. Was wondering if the shorter seat hight and shorter travel compromise much compared to the standard klr650
Off road /at speed freeway ride wind protection or lack there of
Everything off road that can be done I'm waiting on a tubeless version. Ive got an 850gsa now and wanted this to be my off-road bike
You don' carry a compressor or some type of inflator for flats ? Flat repair kit ? a must have when traveling alone !
Thank you Ian for your amazing videos and I look forward to your in-depth comparison with the KLR650. I own a 2023 KLR (with many mods) and really enjoy riding it despite it's heavy and very mellow nature. The new Himalayan looks very tempting, but I'm 6'4" and the bike felt a bit small and cramped when sitting on one at the dealer. Maybe this could be somewhat remedied with higher handlebars, risers and a taller windscreen. If you have the time..... any thoughts on that? Best wishes to you and your family for the New Year.
I'm 6 3 and the Himalayan with the comfort seat in the high position with the footrest rubbers removed works well for longish days in the saddle
I am considering the Himalayan, CF MOTO 450 MT and a second hand Aprilia Tuareg for ADV touring in Europe -- that means riding say 800 Kms to Albania, spending several days on their gravel roads and then riding back. I'd be interested on your opinion on how suitable this bike is for that kind of use.
And yes, midlife crisis is highly recommended, go for it.
Hi, is it better to buy a bmw gs650 2007 and modify it a little bit or buy this one for very long trips where the bike has to be reliable. Thanks
California BDR content. Also, how it handles the highway rides to get there, passing trucks, etc. Thanks BRM!
I'm fairly proficient on the highway. I'm wondering how the Himalayan 450 is in the dirt, particularly sand and gravel. That's where I need help.
Does the Himalayan 450 exhibit any unpleasant characteristics at highway speeds? I had a DR-Z400S that would begin to oscillate at about a half Hertz when it hit about 73 mph.
I'm interested in seeing how that stock skid plate holds up before you replace it. Other than the oem rally parts there aren't many aftermarket plates available after a couple bikes fell apart.
I feel that there are a lot of people interested in the 400lbs +/- motorcycle market.
Maybe load the Hemi down and go on a short trip to give people an idea of what it would be like on a real-life adventure.
Most won't use it on anything more difficult than double track and fire roads
I love your channel BTW. I'd like to see a comparison between the Himalayan 411 and the 450. Like off road how do they differ, handle, etc. What official Royal Enfield options are available for it. I own a 411 am planning to get a 450 next year when they work the bugs out like crazy low kickstand
you're so darn right about the rear tire size.. could be a *deal breaker* if this side isn't obrainable in the close-to-50\50 range
*size
Does it feel as light as the CRF300L Rally? Does it handles as well offroad like the 300L Rally?
The RE is 100 pounds heavier so no it won't be the same. Plus the Honda is a dressed up dirt bike and the RE is an ADV bike. The Himalayan will tour better because of its weight and comfort. The Rally will probably do better off road but how much better is depending on the rider.
Can you make a video based on its off-road capability and especially is it a good beginner- intermediate off-road motorcycle. And please include the royal Enfield rally kit on it; it looks dope and purposefull🙌🏾
Nicee..... Now...on with the video...
Loud pipes - yep, here in North Georgia mountains, the locals are getting traction with law enforcement, and county code enforcement, to possibly target riders next year. They are tired of continual loud noise (esp weekends) out here in the country, as well as high speed right outside their front doors. Not going to end well for us...
oh! -and what's the point in high (half) fender if theres a low almost-full fender?
mud can clog
For me, it would be interesting to see some offroad and also some highway/commute. I would buy this kind of bike as a 2nd bike after my GS. For example, in Romania or Albania , I dont like the GS because of the size and weight is too much for me during offroad (its more a skill issue on my side :D )
I would like to see trips/touring and an assessment of how much/little it vibrates at highway speeds.
Its a 450, so how close can we make this to a full on Enduro machine in terms of performance on the trail?
KLR will come directly from museum?
Hi would like to see some trips including bike camps fully loaded.
i know your channel is mostly adv content but most people will also commute on this bike. so dont forget to include some daily city activities in your test if you can.
Interesting bike, Ian. I would like to see you push it to the limit as far as a small adventure machine. How would it work for a long road ride, then hit a BDR-type trail and ride home? Probably beyond the scope of what you can do with a loaner, but it would be interesting to see how the suspension could be improved.
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I was surprised to see an Acerbis tank available. Blatt has removed a bunch of weight making it a sort of rally version. I suppose if you wanted a sort of adventure traveller, but otherwise just buy a Honda 450.
I would like to see it on an Adventure ride. On road to off road. Bring all the stuff to camp. Can it do it well?
Then how off road is this bike? More like a dual sport or more road...
I watched an Austrailian review where one of the riders complained about the shift lever. What say Ye?
This or a used Africa Twin (16-19)?
It's very hard to find reviews of the Himi 450 on sand, it would be great to have your impressions on that, especially if you're planning to do some traveling (with all your luggage on it). Thanks in advance.
Do your regular out on the plains, sand, gravel, show.
This bike may replace my Gen 2 KLR. I thought that was not possible. I do want to know the passenger comfort on it. I know you don’t ride with your wife much anymore, but it’s a future consideration for me.
Can you turn it into a hover-bike? No, I am joking of course. But I'd like to see where it's limits are on a technical off-road trail. I know it's not purpose build for that, but if it can go a long way, maybe it could replace a few bikes
I want to know why everyone ignores the short valve check/adjustment interval on this "cheap" bike? I hear it is very expensive and time consuming. It is a major hesitation I have with this bike.
A bit of everything as this really seems to be made as an adventure touring motorcycle rather than something that is 100% BDR and TAT.
would like to see the 3 way comparison
Off roading would be my recommendation.
Two up touring would be nice, not a lot of reviews on that subject.