I owned a T120 before swapping it for a Speed Twin. Looks-wise, I lean to the T120; I'm not old enough (I'm in my late 30s) to have nostalgia for the original Bonnevilles, but my father had one, so I suppose that's where it may come from. Beyond the looks, the T120 just can't compare to the Speed Twin; it's slower, heavier, handles more poorly, stops more slowly, and I wouldn't even say it's much more comfortable (though it is a bit) - none of this would really matter all that much if it wasn't for the fact that these motorcycles are basically equivalent in price, which means you're mostly paying for the cosmetics of the T120, and actual performance (in every sense of the word) on the Speed Twin. I find the Speed Twin more practical (ironically), mostly due to the fact that the lack of unfinished aluminium and 'delicate finish' parts (like the fake carbs) means that I can ride the Speed Twin in nearly all weather without feeling quite so terrified that I'll have to spend hours cleaning it, while possibly risking irreparable damage (i.e. scratched chrome). I do think the new T120s coming out seem to have sorted a number of issues; the lighter crank, lower inertia wheels, and built-in cruise control should add both ride-ability and value, and give the T120 a bit of attraction back. My advice to anyone not looking to ride in sunshine only is to get the T120 black (rather than the standard) as it will be easier to maintain the finish of... but don't get me started on the perils of matte paint. On a random style note, the T120 feels very 1950s/60s, whereas I see the Speed Twin as more 1970s/80s in terms of aesthetics. Cheers for the video!
Most ridculous thing in biking community is age association to specific bikes. If you are 20 you should have that and that bike. If you are middle age you should have that and that but not that. You should only have criteria of how the bike fits your needs and if it's giving you fun. That's all.
Same! I bought the 2023 T120 Black after test driving the T100 at my local dealership as they didn't have any T120s in stock. I almost bought it as it was sub USD $10k, but upgraded to the T120 due to the extra 6th gear and dual front disk brakes. Sometimes I wish I would have gone with the T100 due to the weight of the T120, but love my bike and will probably keep it until I die! It's a quality classic that will never go out of style
Nice honest video review, although l am tempted with the speed twins extra poke and sporty handling. The T120 is a great touring bike and l have done tens of thousands of pretty comfortable and relaxing miles on it. I am 67 and it is easier on the the, tyres, chain and body. For UK and European touring, l did really appreciate the more gentlemanly nature of the T120, it's a bike that grows on you......:-)
Great comparison. Speed Twin for me, better brakes, tubeless tires, 28 kg lighter (how do they do that?) All for only £100 more, better value than a RE!
Yep, must buy both: T120 for the long ride, the Speed for the afternoon romp. Thanks for this review! Always wanted to see how these directly compared.
Back when I purchased my last motorcycle in spring 2019, these two were top of the list. I'd tested the T120 the season prior and loved it. But because of the Speed Twin's on-paper superiority -- exactly as you cite here, TMF -- I fully expected it to easily unseat the T120. But after a test ride, I couldn't have been more wrong. Despite the shared DNA, they've got distinctly different personalities. The T120 is more relaxed (and comfortable). As you accurately point out, it's the perfect unhurried Sunday companion. By comparison, the Speed Twin is a taut athlete, which also means it feels a bit high strung. For example, I recall it having noticeably more engine braking. In the end, both bikes are well rounded and characterful enough to chill out or pick up the pace, but for the roads we've got around here, having fun slow is worth more. For me, the T120 was the clear winner and a decision I'd repeat today. But then, who says we can only have one bike?
One of the things I really respect about TMF is your ability to do a subjective comparison (appearance, in this case), while considering alternative viewpoints. You'll point out what you find most appealing, while recognizing what others might find more attractive about the alternative. Such a rare thing these days to find such deep respect for the viewpoints of others.
Having tested a speed twin and owned a t120 for two years I was interested to see what you thought. For two similar looking bikes they are very different in character. Obviously the speed twin is designed to handle and perform better. The types of tyres fitted make a huge difference. The t120s heated grips and centre stand do make life a little easier, (although Triumph seem to have removed the stand to save weight on the 2021 version). As for the noise, I've fitted Vance and Hines pipes, but managed to get the US ones with removable decibel killers. Fitted Halcyon bar end mirrors, much cheaper than Triumph and really look the part. Keep up the good work Andy. It would be a boring old world if we all liked the same type of bike.
I just purchased a 2022 T120. I rode the speed twin also, but I did not like the foot peg position. To me the T120 foot peg position is just perfect for me and that is why I chose the T120. I felt more confident in it and love the seating position.
Both nice bikes but it has to be the T120 for me, although I still prefer my T100 with all the extras mine has on it. I'm 60 and had a full license for 41 years I'm not a speed demon anymore.
I've got a Bonneville SE which is a superb motorcycle and am thinking of trading it in for a Speed Twin in a couple of years (3) when I get my state pension... I've got a lump sum from my civil service pension due as well, I wouldn't be disappointed if I stuck with the SE.. don't underestimate these Triumph's they are superb motorcycles you'll love to own... If you want to enjoy your retirement don't sit in the front room looking out the window buy one of these and really have some Golden Years!
@@TheMissendenFlyer These Triumph blacks ,the bobber, bonneville, and NEW ROCKET 3, how are they for corrosion ? Can you park them outside and forget ? Maybe hose off once a month?
@@DJ-xl8xh just sold my Royal Star Tour Deluxe for the same reason. 12 years of 850 lbs has worn me down. I think a T120 might be the perfect replacement.
I traded my 06 Rocket 3 which I had owned for nearly 10 yrs for a 2018 T120 because of ill health. Could no longer manage the Rocket because it was so damned heavy, not to mention the running expenses! The T120 is miniscule in comparison and of course much slower. But, I could not be happier. I am back in my teenage to early 20's yrs when I get on the Bonnie. Working the gears, chucking it into corners, not worrying about stopping - the list goes on. Love it. Would like to change the pea shooters but blimey, modern exhausts are so expensive these days. Might just start with a cross pipe next year to get rid of the cat. But as you said, it's a proper gentleman's ride, a gentleman's express I like to say.
Great review as usual! I own and love both bikes. I think you nailed the differences including the ergos and ride feel. The only thing I would add to help explain the performance differences is that the Speed Twin also has a higher final drive ratio (2.63 vs 2.41). I tend to take my ST out more often because it provides a completely different riding experience compared to my big touring bike.
You had me at Brembo's ... Sadly at my age and with my commitments, I'm finding myself more interested in how well a bike stops, rather than how well it goes ;-) (not really) ... Great videos as usual. Thank you !!
Interesting choice….my former Rocket III Touring had strangely a Brembo rear brake and Nissin in front…..all together they were excellent brakes, but I wondered about how Brembo wasn’t in the front.🤔
Thanks for the comparison, I think that your video has helped me make a choice between the T120 and Speed Twin (which was not very clear in my mind). I am actually still riding a Street Twin but I am thinking to "the next level" and the Speed Twin looks to be what I should purchase. Last but not least, for a french guy like me, your English accent is just perfect. I understood everything in the video which is not always the case when I talk to your cousins on the over side of the Atlantic so please do not change anything!!!
Tires, tire pressures and the exhaust pipes all are factors that come in the riding experience. Even with two of a kind bikes they propably would feel different. Great test, still and T120 for me. Although not that colour, a Bud Ekins would do me. Thumbs up, good video.
Thank you for another great video! I’d go for the T120 because I’m 6’5” tall and is more comfy out of the 2. If I was 5’10” or less than the Speed Twin for sure. But overall styling I love the T120!
I tried most of the range, the Speed Twin left me breathless with excitement. Though I love the power, I also want something that I am happy to be a little more sedate on and the Speed just urged me to overtake that car, take that bend a little faster which wasn't personally what I wanted. Fantastic bike, but I love my T120. The engine tone and burbling did nearly swing it though.
Awesome review Andy I’m thinking speed twin for me as I’m only a Short fellow as you have mentioned before thanks for this in-depth review absolutely spot on. Thanks again Jimbo from Birmingham England 👌😄
I've got the speed twin and my dad has the bonneville t120. We occasionally swap over and have a go on each others bike when we go out. Personally I prefer my speed twin because its comfy enough for a long Sunday ride out but it's got that bit more to it when you want to have some fun in those corners that just make you grin. Not slating the bonniville off tho. Love the bike to pieces. But the speed twin just slightly edges it out. Cheers for the review Andy :)
That was an excellent comparison from an experienced motorcyclist. Andy is totally correct. Both are marvellous bikes and both very desirable. Also both cost about the same. Six months ago I had to decide between the two. My decision was based on the fact that I am a returnee to motorcycling after a 35 year hiatus. I watched various reviews, including Andy’s and ended up with the T120. It’s probably the correct choice for me, being a very uncurrent 64 year old git. The bike I purchased was a green and white model (2016-2020 range). I’ll probably (almost certainly will) swap it for something quicker in 2022 after I have more saddle time. If I was a current motorcyclist I would have had the Speed Twin. To me the cost of the Bonneville T120 is weight, flickability, some loss of braking efficiency and a fair bit of shove. So what do I gain? Centre stand, heated grips, blingy chrome spoked wheels, grab rail, easier seating position and slightly cheaper insurance (£186 fully compressive with no no-claims bonus). It’s also great fun to ride and goes like stink when you give it the beans. Am I happy with my decision? Absolutely. If you are in the market for a new bike, the new T120 (2021 onwards) has a different specification. The centre stand and grab rail have been deleted, the engine has been slighty tweaked with a new crank and the chrome rims replaced with aluminium. I also believe the brakes have been upgraded as well. If buying new, my opinion is that these changes might now make the Speed Twin a better option, all other things being equal. But if buying secondhand and ultimate performance is not your thing then a new or secondhand (2106-2020) Bonneville T120 is still worth considering.
As a T120 owner, that plastic mud guard affair at the rear of the one you have either isn't standard (since that's an Ace Cafe version) or they've changed the rear since 2018. Mine has a proper rear fender, which the taillight and indicators are mounted to. I love my T120 but I've been tempted to add a Street Twin to the garage (for when I'm feeling more sporty), as the T120 is definitely more of a lazy cruiser, despite having a lot of power...it just enjoys a relaxing ride and to be fair, so do I most of the time (and that's why I own it).
Pretty sure that's the factory aftermarket tail-tidy (optional with online configuration). Completely agree that the standard rear fender looks way better, as I personally think that if you're willing to go for a bike so retro that they've disguised the injectors as carburettors, keep the retro fender. By comparison, that's the standard Speed Twin rear end, and you can tell. I suspect that most people that would insist on a tail-tidy on the T120 would probably also prefer the other aesthetic changes on the Speed Twin.
Own a 2017 Thruxton R and had the Speed Twin been available then it would have been an interesting decision. That said the Thruxton is reasonably comfortable for me and has a massive grin factor.
This is the review complete with spec comparison and riding comparison that I've been waiting for. Great work on this one, cards fell about how I thought, but if I go this direction I'll put a leg over both. Thanks for the top shelf work.
Love the look of the Speed Twin but prefer the riding position of the T120.. If i could bring the pegs forward (not sure if thats possible) it would be the Speed Twin every day👍
Hey TMF. You could argue that all modern retro bikes play with fakery. All try to give us older riders those wonderful reminders of our childhood whilst also appealing to new riders with their sharper looks and connectivity. Not to mention ABS, engine and suspension advances of course. Great times to be a biker!
I ended up with T120, and love it; but cant argue with TMF views. I don't know about the leg comfort for taller people, but yes better than the SpeedTwin! (All bikes seem cramped to me.....) I'd like a slightly more canted forward position on the T120.....make motorways a little more comfortable?
6’3” and got a speed twin with no issues at all with leg position. Also ride a Tiger 800 which is like a big armchair for comfort. Anyway, you don’t notice those concerns with the ST as it just puts a smile on your face especially when it pops and farts as you roll off. Engine is a masterpiece.
I’m 6’2” and have a Speed Twin, and the comfort is just fine. I tried the full Bonneville range, and soon as I tried the ST it was game over .... such a great ride! Big smiles, lovely soundtrack (I’ve the V&H pipes too) 👍
I was hoping to find a video comparing these two bikes and let me say you smashed it. Excellent video !!! I have the scrambler 1200xc, but I also like the speed twin 1200. Cheers !
I REALLY struggle to keep my beady little eyes off of your Street Triple in the background that i almost forgot there was a review going on. Great vid as always
Good to see a back to back same manufacturer review. Surprised at the weight difference, tested a T120 and thought it was heavy to move around, would be good to test the speed twin. Top work.
I love both models but I have to admit that the Speed Twin is the absolute winner. Triumph has managed to give the 2 models their own character and that is what makes them so special. This has been another great video and comparison test, thanks TMF, and I hope there will be more tests of the new Bonville models 2021, as the engines have been upgraded.
Thank you. I had no idea there was such a big difference. I would love to see a 2021 Moto Guzzi v7, Triumph Street Twin, Royal Enfield Interceptor, Kawasaki w800 kind of shootout.
It's a tough decision for me. I'm coming from a ZX14R and an Aprilia Tuono 1100. They are complete therapy animals that I can't really use on the street. I also have herniated discs in my lower back, so I don't ride much at all because of it. So I sold my ZX14R and I'm thinking of trading my Aprilia perhaps on one of these two. I'm afraid the Speed twins lightness and riding position might be too close to the Tuono and I've sat on a T120 and it's comfy like a couch, but then again I'm also afraid I'll miss the sportiness if I get a T120, but I bet my back will feel better and I might get out to ride more then. Hmm. I did test ride a Speed triple and it was lovely, but I do like the retro looks of these here.
Whichever one you own is the best 😄. I really enjoyed your older bike reviews. Not all of us can afford new. Just a thought. Keep up with the great work 👍
I agree with everything you've said, but would like to add a couple of points in favour of the T120. Firstly, it has a centre stand as standard, making chain maintenance easier. Also the factory luggage options are better, which for me makes it a better option for touring. On my T120, the rear mudguard is painted metal which give good protection in wet weather. Couple that with the rear luggage rack makes it look quite tidy (IMHO). Finally, The Vance & Hines pipes on the T120 do make it sound better.
A good review between both Triumphs. With regards to retro for the Triumph, I’ve only seen 1 Speed Twin and the thoughts I had then are still the same after watching this video. Because the name Speed Twin is a retro name from Triumph ( the old 650 ) I think the the Twin should have the spike wheels as well as the knee pads. The dummy carbs are the old Amal Mk 1 concentric I think that they should be in the Twin also. Just showing my age here Andy. Great review from Down Under.
Thank you for this excellent and thorough comparison. I am in the market for a Triumph Bonneville and have been looking at these two as my most desired choices.
Very much enjoyed this one, a big retro Triumph fan especially the speed twin. A Royal Enfield interceptor ( Baker Express ) rider at the moment ( excellent bike ), looking to add another to the stable. Also a fan of the Speedmaster. Short tours in mind. Thanks for your efforts with the channel.
Nice video! It really helped me in the decission between those two bikes. But now there is one comparison missing: Would be great if you could compare the Speed Twin with the Thruxton RS!
That was a very helpful back to back comparison. Would have to agree the Speed Twin does it for me as well. The prices, as close as they are, really surprised me. 👍🏼 😎
I sat on both these bikes and at 6ft felt more cramped on the speed twin. I needed up with the T120 gold edition. I was about to give up on Triumph for various reasons, but when I set eyes on that T120 gold edition I just melted and handed over $17,000 bucks…..
I have the Thruxton 1200 (not the R) so basically a speed twin with cosmetic difference's ,do like the way bike handles and goes (had sports bikes before ) . My only downside on bike it seems bit snatchy on throttle at low speed , might just be my bike but few others have said about it . Would love ride on the T120 as slight loss in performance wouldn't bother me as the Thruxton has more than I really need ( I'm 65 now ) great honest video though
I loved my SpeedTwin. Toured Wales on it. Fancied a change and now ride the 1200xe. Much more road presence with this tall bike and it still goes like stink if you want it to.
Great review! My choice would be the T120 with the stock seat and rear mudguard and with the chrome rather than blacked out finish. I’d also fit some chrome bar end mirrors. The Speed Twin is lovely to ride but I’d rather have a Thruxton if I were looking at a ‘performance’ Bonnie.
Excellent comparison, although with respect to the exhaust sound it is a bit unfair. The decision was difficult but I'll stick with my Gentleman's Ride. For the other days I have my RS660. Thanks a lot!
TMF, great video as always! I am conflicted between the T120 & Speed Twin and while you give the edge to the ST, I am leaning toward the 120 mostly due to ride stance & posture. Currently I have a Yamaha Star Bolt and want to upgrade to something nicer that has better ergonomics, especially with my legs as the Bolt just isn't doing it for me on longer rides. I've always had a soft spot for Triumphs even before I began to ride 5 years ago and like the classic style of the Bonneville - like you said, it's what a proper bike should look like. I've also thought about the Bobber and Speedmaster, but I think I want a change from the cruiser style.
Nice one Flyer. Ones decision really comes down to how you want to ride and look on each. The Speed Twin is set up for you to have a bit more of a go. Saying that, I bought a T100 Black last year and that has enough poke for me in my mid 50s . I’d certainly recommend fitting V&H peashooters. Fabulous deeper throater sound and feels like a couple of extra horses too.
Nice review, I’m thinking about upgrading my street twin to a T120, I’m probably going to go for the speed twin. I’d keep the street twin but running out of room.
Hi Andy, fantastic video as usual, just a quick question for you, I’m about to start riding road bikes again and I was wondering if you could recommend a riding jacket that warm and waterproof. I usually wear custom gear when I’m riding my trials bike but it doesn’t really look right on the road.
So glad you did this comparison. I own a T120, it wins on style and with an X-Pipe fitted the pea-shooter exhausts sound pretty good as well. On spec the Speed Twin takes it, especially with the Brembo brakes and HP engine. My wish is a T120 TFC (Triumph Factory Custom) which would see the T120 specced up beautifully. I think Triumph owe us a new TFC soon, and if it’s a T120 I’ll be beating a path to hand over my deposit.
Thank you for the great comparison! It was really helpful to hear about your thoughts after riding them back to back. I’m hoping to go test ride both of these models on Saturday for my first big bike. I wish they offered a version of the T120 with a Speed Twin/Thruxton engine.
I just got back from the local Triumph dealer. Coming from an R3, I felt a little nervous that these bikes would feel too big; not at all. The T120 was comfortable and easy to ride. It was like a walk with an old friend. Then, I tried the Speed Twin. As soon as I got onto the road, the bike let me know that it wanted to go, but in a confidence-inspiring way. There is now a Speed Twin parked in my garage. Thank you for the other video you did comparing the first and second generation Speed Twins. I agree that the first generation is the better looking bike, and my local dealer happened to have a brand new 2020 (3 miles on the clock) on the showroom floor, so I decided to grab it while it was available. Thank you again, and please continue making all the great videos - safe riding!
I had the chance to ride both, plus the Thruxton, before buying and I went for the T120 Black. Does that mean I'm a gentleman now? Your comparison is pretty fair, although the back end on a standard T120 is much more retro than the one on the Ace. If I was 20 years younger I would have gone for the Thruxton, 10 years younger and probably the Speed Twin, as it is, on the wrong side of 60, a gentleman's conveyance is just what I need.
Great video, thank you Sir. I would choose the regular T-120 with all the chrome and put the new Trident's mirrors on it. Now we all know your true hooligan character....LOL...Sal : ).
Very nice video sir. I've been riding my '72 Triumph to the dealer a lot lately looking at these two models. Personally, I hesitate to buy a bike with fake carbs. I think it looks lame. So I am very seriously thinking about a 2023 Speed Twin. I suppose that a center stand can be ordered or bought after-market. Maybe there's a way to add a throttle lock to act as a cruise control.I might miss the under-seat storage for a tool kit and the attachment points for luggage. Such a tough decision.
Think this comparison still holds true in 2023? Has there been much change in either bike beyond the multitude of variants and special edition bits (chrome etc)? I’m on a Street Twin at the moment, now 5 years old and remain happy with it. But occasionally looking for a little extra grunt on country rides.
Great review of these two amazing bikes. From what I understand the engines are identical and where Triumph makes the changes is in the throttle mapping and not the fuel and timing. At full twist the throttle is actually only being told to open around 91%. You can adjust this with an Android device and ECU Tune app. Dont quote me on that, but I believe thats the only change between the two bikes with engine and power delivery.
Would you consider the Speed Twin suitable for longer distance touring? I am a 6ft tall T120 owner considering the move to the Speed Twin. Performance is not that important for me but the practicality of tubeless tires and the ability to self repair a puncture is what is driving me. Happy to have your or others view 😀
I have had two punctures on my T 120, my god what a pain, you got to get the bike recovered and that could be a half day wasted, I'm changing it for this reason
Great video. Thank you. My 3 year finance plan is just about to finish on my T100 and would like to do a little upgrade ;). Planning to test ride speed twin and T120 end of this month. Love the look of both for different reasons. Based on your review they are both awesome bikes. It will probably just come down to the test ride. Wish I could have each for a week or so. It’s going to be hard to make a decision after half hour test ride ;(. Thanks again for the video. Ride safe!
Went to Triumph West London this morning..and came back home with T120 ace cafe edition 😁 oh she’s beautiful. It was sad to say good bye to my T100 but, I think I can get used to T120 in no time 👍
It's a fairly easy split between the visual appeal of the T120 compared to the performance and handling of the Speed twin. For that reason i would suspect the T120 to easily outsell the speedtwin as that has signifant competition. Personally i couldn't find a more beautiful bike than the T120, although granted that back end, which I've never seen on a T120 before is dreadful.
@@wanionwombat9338 For me, there was a noticeable improvement overall but not really enough for me to say it was worth it. But if you do much 2 up riding then they are worth every penny.
Andy your videos are great! I’ve just bought a t120 black as my first proper bike. I steered away from the ST as I was worried it’d be too tempting to go too fast with limited experience
Has Triumph sorted out the issues on the Bonnie range yet. T120 misting up clocks ,gear selector on some bikes, wiring issues. Can you turn the headstock left to right see if the wiring sounds as though it is straining?
I just fitted the regulator relocation adapter from Baak. Much relief to the wiring strain. In fact, the regulator wires were broken on my T120 from 2016 after 40000km due to the frequent bending and strain. Hope that it now lasts forever...
I was looking at Scramblers but your reviews on the Speed Twin are changing my mind. I currently have a Z650, so know what to expect with the naked bike feel. The modern classic look is absolutely stunning, this bike sounds great even in video, and looks like it's a monster to ride.
Bought Street Twin in 2017, it lacked a bit of power so I traded it in for a T120 black weeks before they upgraded it with extra 10bhp. Love the T120, though a little heavy, but 3 months later they brought out Speed Twin. If buying now, well I preferred the 1960s style (t120) to the 1970s (speed twin), like having a centre stand for servicing (only available on t120) but hate
but hate cleaning wire wheels. T120 is comfortable enough for my 300mile day trips through Wales, and I guess I will probably stick with it unless I win the lottery.
@@allanshort8264 I'm quite tall 6' 2" and I think the sitting position of the T120 would suit me better with the pegs in a more forward lower position than the Speed Twin and the bars giving a more unright sitting position. Looking forward to the dealer network opening up so I get get a test ride!
Hello! Thank you for the video, very well done comparison, like always. The thing here, is that the T120 ir more like a cruiser (not really, but gets near to it), and the speed twin, shows a more sporty character. I took both for a test ride, and loved the experience. The problem is that the speed twin has a lot of competition in the Japanese brands, some Italian brands too. And the bonneville T120, has none. To my eyes the BMW R Nine T is not directly competing with the T120 but more on side to side with the speed Twin. We all know that the Kawasaki 900 RS is directly competing with the speed twin and it is cheaper. The engines are different, but the bikes are on the same segment of the market, I think. In terms of the video comparison, when I tested the speed twin, I felt the good brakes and the not so comfortable seat of the machine and I immediately inclined my self in the T120 direction, once that it has a very exclusive look, and very different from every other bike. That fact, the classic look, “spoke” to me. I came from a Yamaha XSR 900, that Cp3 engine, was something! So, after that, I couldn’t go for the Speed Twin, very alike bikes, but less adrenaline’s riding sensations. Bought myself a KTM SDGT and went for the Triumph T120 for the relaxed sunday`s afternoon rides with my Mrs. I am fully satisfied with my rides. ✌️
I chose the Speed Twin. Only thing I really wish it had is cruise control. Primarily to give my fingers (arthritis) a short break now and then. That short rest makes longer rides a bit more comfortable. Wondering if it can be added as the T120 has it.
I owned a T120 before swapping it for a Speed Twin. Looks-wise, I lean to the T120; I'm not old enough (I'm in my late 30s) to have nostalgia for the original Bonnevilles, but my father had one, so I suppose that's where it may come from. Beyond the looks, the T120 just can't compare to the Speed Twin; it's slower, heavier, handles more poorly, stops more slowly, and I wouldn't even say it's much more comfortable (though it is a bit) - none of this would really matter all that much if it wasn't for the fact that these motorcycles are basically equivalent in price, which means you're mostly paying for the cosmetics of the T120, and actual performance (in every sense of the word) on the Speed Twin. I find the Speed Twin more practical (ironically), mostly due to the fact that the lack of unfinished aluminium and 'delicate finish' parts (like the fake carbs) means that I can ride the Speed Twin in nearly all weather without feeling quite so terrified that I'll have to spend hours cleaning it, while possibly risking irreparable damage (i.e. scratched chrome). I do think the new T120s coming out seem to have sorted a number of issues; the lighter crank, lower inertia wheels, and built-in cruise control should add both ride-ability and value, and give the T120 a bit of attraction back. My advice to anyone not looking to ride in sunshine only is to get the T120 black (rather than the standard) as it will be easier to maintain the finish of... but don't get me started on the perils of matte paint. On a random style note, the T120 feels very 1950s/60s, whereas I see the Speed Twin as more 1970s/80s in terms of aesthetics. Cheers for the video!
I’m glad we concur Daniel!
@@TheMissendenFlyer Your Speed Twin review a ways back was what persuaded me to switch from the T120. Cheers!
Absolutely spot on I think I’d go for all black T120 lovely sounds but les polish. Thanks buddy cracking comments
What about the spoked rims? I’d hate to be caught out (again) with a flat. Cost me a fortune.
Most ridculous thing in biking community is age association to specific bikes.
If you are 20 you should have that and that bike. If you are middle age you should have that and that but not that.
You should only have criteria of how the bike fits your needs and if it's giving you fun. That's all.
T120 all day. But I'm biased being a T120 owner. It's just a great all around bike for those past the hooligan stage of life.
Mines a good paperweight.
True! All day! So classy.
Same! I bought the 2023 T120 Black after test driving the T100 at my local dealership as they didn't have any T120s in stock. I almost bought it as it was sub USD $10k, but upgraded to the T120 due to the extra 6th gear and dual front disk brakes. Sometimes I wish I would have gone with the T100 due to the weight of the T120, but love my bike and will probably keep it until I die! It's a quality classic that will never go out of style
Nice honest video review, although l am tempted with the speed twins extra poke and sporty handling. The T120 is a great touring bike and l have done tens of thousands of pretty comfortable and relaxing miles on it. I am 67 and it is easier on the the, tyres, chain and body. For UK and European touring, l did really appreciate the more gentlemanly nature of the T120, it's a bike that grows on you......:-)
You’re timing is perfect. I’m looking at these bikes right now!
Glad to help!
Great comparison. Speed Twin for me, better brakes, tubeless tires, 28 kg lighter (how do they do that?) All for only £100 more, better value than a RE!
Yep, must buy both: T120 for the long ride, the Speed for the afternoon romp. Thanks for this review! Always wanted to see how these directly compared.
Back when I purchased my last motorcycle in spring 2019, these two were top of the list. I'd tested the T120 the season prior and loved it. But because of the Speed Twin's on-paper superiority -- exactly as you cite here, TMF -- I fully expected it to easily unseat the T120. But after a test ride, I couldn't have been more wrong. Despite the shared DNA, they've got distinctly different personalities. The T120 is more relaxed (and comfortable). As you accurately point out, it's the perfect unhurried Sunday companion. By comparison, the Speed Twin is a taut athlete, which also means it feels a bit high strung. For example, I recall it having noticeably more engine braking. In the end, both bikes are well rounded and characterful enough to chill out or pick up the pace, but for the roads we've got around here, having fun slow is worth more. For me, the T120 was the clear winner and a decision I'd repeat today. But then, who says we can only have one bike?
Certainly not me!
One of the things I really respect about TMF is your ability to do a subjective comparison (appearance, in this case), while considering alternative viewpoints. You'll point out what you find most appealing, while recognizing what others might find more attractive about the alternative. Such a rare thing these days to find such deep respect for the viewpoints of others.
Cheers Brad appreciated!
You read my mind, sir. Exactly what I was thinking and you make a video on it.. 🙌🏻🙌🏻
Having tested a speed twin and owned a t120 for two years I was interested to see what you thought. For two similar looking bikes they are very different in character. Obviously the speed twin is designed to handle and perform better. The types of tyres fitted make a huge difference. The t120s heated grips and centre stand do make life a little easier, (although Triumph seem to have removed the stand to save weight on the 2021 version). As for the noise, I've fitted Vance and Hines pipes, but managed to get the US ones with removable decibel killers. Fitted Halcyon bar end mirrors, much cheaper than Triumph and really look the part. Keep up the good work Andy. It would be a boring old world if we all liked the same type of bike.
Indeed Simon - my Speed twin has heated grips by the way (an essential here in the UK!)
I just purchased a 2022 T120. I rode the speed twin also, but I did not like the foot peg position. To me the T120 foot peg position is just perfect for me and that is why I chose the T120. I felt more confident in it and love the seating position.
Fair enough!
Both nice bikes but it has to be the T120 for me, although I still prefer my T100 with all the extras mine has on it. I'm 60 and had a full license for 41 years I'm not a speed demon anymore.
I've got a Bonneville SE which is a superb motorcycle and am thinking of trading it in for a Speed Twin in a couple of years (3) when I get my state pension... I've got a lump sum from my civil service pension due as well, I wouldn't be disappointed if I stuck with the SE.. don't underestimate these Triumph's they are superb motorcycles you'll love to own... If you want to enjoy your retirement don't sit in the front room looking out the window buy one of these and really have some Golden Years!
Yes I thoroughly recommend "retirement" (i'm busier now than I've ever been!)
@@TheMissendenFlyer These Triumph blacks ,the bobber, bonneville, and NEW ROCKET 3, how are they for corrosion ? Can you park them outside and forget ? Maybe hose off once a month?
I traded in my 2013 Bonneville SE for the Speed Twin. I loved the SE, but the Speed Twin is just better in every department.
@@lawrenceennis2263 The SE is everything you need in a motorcycle...
The Street Twin is overkill...
At 74, gentlemanly, yet powerful, sounds wonderful!! My Valkyrie is getting a bit heavy. Hope to find a good T120 … Thank you for all you do.
@@DJ-xl8xh just sold my Royal Star Tour Deluxe for the same reason. 12 years of 850 lbs has worn me down. I think a T120 might be the perfect replacement.
I traded my 06 Rocket 3 which I had owned for nearly 10 yrs for a 2018 T120 because of ill health. Could no longer manage the Rocket because it was so damned heavy, not to mention the running expenses! The T120 is miniscule in comparison and of course much slower. But, I could not be happier. I am back in my teenage to early 20's yrs when I get on the Bonnie. Working the gears, chucking it into corners, not worrying about stopping - the list goes on. Love it. Would like to change the pea shooters but blimey, modern exhausts are so expensive these days. Might just start with a cross pipe next year to get rid of the cat. But as you said, it's a proper gentleman's ride, a gentleman's express I like to say.
Sounds good to me Nick!
Speed Twin all day. Tested one and loved it.
Great review as usual! I own and love both bikes. I think you nailed the differences including the ergos and ride feel. The only thing I would add to help explain the performance differences is that the Speed Twin also has a higher final drive ratio (2.63 vs 2.41).
I tend to take my ST out more often because it provides a completely
different riding experience compared to my big touring bike.
Yes the same with mine - couldn't be more different to my Panigale or GS.....
Great video, and love your infectious excitement for the bikes! Thank you!
Thank you for watching!
You had me at Brembo's ... Sadly at my age and with my commitments, I'm finding myself more interested in how well a bike stops, rather than how well it goes ;-) (not really) ... Great videos as usual. Thank you !!
Interesting choice….my former Rocket III Touring had strangely a Brembo rear brake and Nissin in front…..all together they were excellent brakes, but I wondered about how Brembo wasn’t in the front.🤔
The 2021 T120 will have Bembo front brakes and lighter rims.
Thanks for the comparison, I think that your video has helped me make a choice between the T120 and Speed Twin (which was not very clear in my mind). I am actually still riding a Street Twin but I am thinking to "the next level" and the Speed Twin looks to be what I should purchase. Last but not least, for a french guy like me, your English accent is just perfect. I understood everything in the video which is not always the case when I talk to your cousins on the over side of the Atlantic so please do not change anything!!!
I thought the street twin and speed twin are exactly the same bikes .
Triumph renamed street twin to speed twin
Tires, tire pressures and the exhaust pipes all are factors that come in the riding experience. Even with two of a kind bikes they propably would feel different. Great test, still and T120 for me. Although not that colour, a Bud Ekins would do me. Thumbs up, good video.
Thank you for another great video! I’d go for the T120 because I’m 6’5” tall and is more comfy out of the 2. If I was 5’10” or less than the Speed Twin for sure. But overall styling I love the T120!
I tried most of the range, the Speed Twin left me breathless with excitement. Though I love the power, I also want something that I am happy to be a little more sedate on and the Speed just urged me to overtake that car, take that bend a little faster which wasn't personally what I wanted. Fantastic bike, but I love my T120. The engine tone and burbling did nearly swing it though.
Nice one Rob....
Awesome review Andy I’m thinking speed twin for me as I’m only a Short fellow as you have mentioned before thanks for this in-depth review absolutely spot on. Thanks again Jimbo from Birmingham England 👌😄
Glad to be of use!
Great review, I am considering changing my street twin for the speed twin, I have tested one and was very impressed.
I've got the speed twin and my dad has the bonneville t120. We occasionally swap over and have a go on each others bike when we go out. Personally I prefer my speed twin because its comfy enough for a long Sunday ride out but it's got that bit more to it when you want to have some fun in those corners that just make you grin. Not slating the bonniville off tho. Love the bike to pieces. But the speed twin just slightly edges it out. Cheers for the review Andy :)
Yes I agree Andy....
That was an excellent comparison from an experienced motorcyclist. Andy is totally correct. Both are marvellous bikes and both very desirable. Also both cost about the same. Six months ago I had to decide between the two. My decision was based on the fact that I am a returnee to motorcycling after a 35 year hiatus. I watched various reviews, including Andy’s and ended up with the T120. It’s probably the correct choice for me, being a very uncurrent 64 year old git. The bike I purchased was a green and white model (2016-2020 range). I’ll probably (almost certainly will) swap it for something quicker in 2022 after I have more saddle time. If I was a current motorcyclist I would have had the Speed Twin.
To me the cost of the Bonneville T120 is weight, flickability, some loss of braking efficiency and a fair bit of shove. So what do I gain? Centre stand, heated grips, blingy chrome spoked wheels, grab rail, easier seating position and slightly cheaper insurance (£186 fully compressive with no no-claims bonus). It’s also great fun to ride and goes like stink when you give it the beans. Am I happy with my decision? Absolutely. If you are in the market for a new bike, the new T120 (2021 onwards) has a different specification. The centre stand and grab rail have been deleted, the engine has been slighty tweaked with a new crank and the chrome rims replaced with aluminium. I also believe the brakes have been upgraded as well. If buying new, my opinion is that these changes might now make the Speed Twin a better option, all other things being equal. But if buying secondhand and ultimate performance is not your thing then a new or secondhand (2106-2020) Bonneville T120 is still worth considering.
Thanks for that as ever Trevor!
I’ve ridden both and totally agree with your assessment. Can’t go wrong with either one!
As a T120 owner, that plastic mud guard affair at the rear of the one you have either isn't standard (since that's an Ace Cafe version) or they've changed the rear since 2018. Mine has a proper rear fender, which the taillight and indicators are mounted to. I love my T120 but I've been tempted to add a Street Twin to the garage (for when I'm feeling more sporty), as the T120 is definitely more of a lazy cruiser, despite having a lot of power...it just enjoys a relaxing ride and to be fair, so do I most of the time (and that's why I own it).
Pretty sure that's the factory aftermarket tail-tidy (optional with online configuration). Completely agree that the standard rear fender looks way better, as I personally think that if you're willing to go for a bike so retro that they've disguised the injectors as carburettors, keep the retro fender.
By comparison, that's the standard Speed Twin rear end, and you can tell. I suspect that most people that would insist on a tail-tidy on the T120 would probably also prefer the other aesthetic changes on the Speed Twin.
Own a 2017 Thruxton R and had the Speed Twin been available then it would have been an interesting decision. That said the Thruxton is reasonably comfortable for me and has a massive grin factor.
Thruxton R vs Speed Twin? I think you got the right bike with the thruxton personally.
And yet another great review from TMF! Thank you, Andy!
On the fence here. I just wish the Speed Twin was more pillion friendly with a substantial grab rail or even a low back rest for those rare occasions.
T120 looks stunning when you modify it ti has so much potential.
This is the review complete with spec comparison and riding comparison that I've been waiting for. Great work on this one, cards fell about how I thought, but if I go this direction I'll put a leg over both. Thanks for the top shelf work.
Thanks for watching and stopping by!
Love the look of the Speed Twin but prefer the riding position of the T120.. If i could bring the pegs forward (not sure if thats possible) it would be the Speed Twin every day👍
Nice comparison,I'm in the dilemma of speed twin or t120. Shame they didn't fit the thruxton forks to the speed twin.
Hey TMF. You could argue that all modern retro bikes play with fakery. All try to give us older riders those wonderful reminders of our childhood whilst also appealing to new riders with their sharper looks and connectivity. Not to mention ABS, engine and suspension advances of course. Great times to be a biker!
True!
Love them both but as I get older the T120 appeals more plus better leg comfort for tall people!
I ended up with T120, and love it; but cant argue with TMF views. I don't know about the leg comfort for taller people, but yes better than the SpeedTwin! (All bikes seem cramped to me.....) I'd like a slightly more canted forward position on the T120.....make motorways a little more comfortable?
6’3” and got a speed twin with no issues at all with leg position. Also ride a Tiger 800 which is like a big armchair for comfort. Anyway, you don’t notice those concerns with the ST as it just puts a smile on your face especially when it pops and farts as you roll off. Engine is a masterpiece.
@@Cuzzazbuzz It's the 'older' bit I mention as that comes with knackered knees that don't bend as they should!!
I’m 6’2” and have a Speed Twin, and the comfort is just fine. I tried the full Bonneville range, and soon as I tried the ST it was game over .... such a great ride! Big smiles, lovely soundtrack (I’ve the V&H pipes too) 👍
Great review TMF; honest and clear on all the important bits! Thank you!
Thank you for watching Nick.
I was hoping to find a video comparing these two bikes and let me say you smashed it.
Excellent video !!!
I have the scrambler 1200xc, but I also like the speed twin 1200.
Cheers !
Glad I could help!
I REALLY struggle to keep my beady little eyes off of your Street Triple in the background that i almost forgot there was a review going on. Great vid as always
Fair enough!
Good to see a back to back same manufacturer review. Surprised at the weight difference, tested a T120 and thought it was heavy to move around, would be good to test the speed twin. Top work.
Thanks for watching!
I love both models but I have to admit that the Speed Twin is the absolute winner. Triumph has managed to give the 2 models their own character and that is what makes them so special. This has been another great video and comparison test, thanks TMF, and I hope there will be more tests of the new Bonville models 2021, as the engines have been upgraded.
Yes I hope so too!
Not a minute have I regretted getting the Speed Twin, that power delivery puts a smile on my face every time I open the throttle 😁
You and me both - surprisingly spritely!
Thank you. I had no idea there was such a big difference. I would love to see a 2021 Moto Guzzi v7, Triumph Street Twin, Royal Enfield Interceptor, Kawasaki w800 kind of shootout.
second this as those are on my list to buy!
It's a tough decision for me. I'm coming from a ZX14R and an Aprilia Tuono 1100. They are complete therapy animals that I can't really use on the street. I also have herniated discs in my lower back, so I don't ride much at all because of it. So I sold my ZX14R and I'm thinking of trading my Aprilia perhaps on one of these two. I'm afraid the Speed twins lightness and riding position might be too close to the Tuono and I've sat on a T120 and it's comfy like a couch, but then again I'm also afraid I'll miss the sportiness if I get a T120, but I bet my back will feel better and I might get out to ride more then. Hmm. I did test ride a Speed triple and it was lovely, but I do like the retro looks of these here.
Whichever one you own is the best 😄.
I really enjoyed your older bike reviews. Not all of us can afford new. Just a thought. Keep up with the great work 👍
Yes I’m hoping to do some older bike reviews soon Richard....
@@TheMissendenFlyer great look forward to it
Thank´s .A very good comparision. Just helped me in my decidision which bike to buy.
I agree with everything you've said, but would like to add a couple of points in favour of the T120.
Firstly, it has a centre stand as standard, making chain maintenance easier. Also the factory luggage options are better, which for me makes it a better option for touring.
On my T120, the rear mudguard is painted metal which give good protection in wet weather. Couple that with the rear luggage rack makes it look quite tidy (IMHO). Finally, The Vance & Hines pipes on the T120 do make it sound better.
Yep good points Stuart - thanks for stopping by!
A good review between both Triumphs. With regards to retro for the Triumph, I’ve only seen 1 Speed Twin and the thoughts I had then are still the same after watching this video. Because the name Speed Twin is a retro name from Triumph ( the old 650 ) I think the the Twin should have the spike wheels as well as the knee pads. The dummy carbs are the old Amal Mk 1 concentric I think that they should be in the Twin also. Just showing my age here Andy. Great review from Down Under.
Thanks for watching Bob!
Thank you for this excellent and thorough comparison. I am in the market for a Triumph Bonneville and have been looking at these two as my most desired choices.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for clear details and explanation! Really helped me to coose what I exactly want for myself.
You're very welcome!
Very much enjoyed this one, a big retro Triumph fan especially the speed twin. A Royal Enfield interceptor ( Baker Express ) rider at the moment ( excellent bike ), looking to add another to the stable. Also a fan of the Speedmaster. Short tours in mind. Thanks for your efforts with the channel.
Glad you enjoyed it...and yes, I love the Speedmaster too, the new one looks gorgeous!
This is a great review Andy, well done.
Thank you kindly Ken!
Nice comparison. It's the speed twin for me in almost every way I think. I really like it's brutish image & performance.
Same here!
I was literally thinking about this yesterday! Great timing I think!
That's awesome!
I love the look of the Speed Twin, but still can’t get the RNineT out of my mind...
Nice video! It really helped me in the decission between those two bikes. But now there is one comparison missing: Would be great if you could compare the Speed Twin with the Thruxton RS!
Great vid as usual chose the speed twin collecting tomorrow !
Congratulations!
Brilliant review, thanks and I think the Speed Twin will be my next bike.
That was a very helpful back to back comparison. Would have to agree the Speed Twin does it for me as well. The prices, as close as they are, really surprised me. 👍🏼 😎
Yes I was quite surprised about that when I looked it up too Bradley....
I sat on both these bikes and at 6ft felt more cramped on the speed twin. I needed up with the T120 gold edition. I was about to give up on Triumph for various reasons, but when I set eyes on that T120 gold edition I just melted and handed over $17,000 bucks…..
I have the Thruxton 1200 (not the R) so basically a speed twin with cosmetic difference's ,do like the way bike handles and goes (had sports bikes before ) . My only downside on bike it seems bit snatchy on throttle at low speed , might just be my bike but few others have said about it . Would love ride on the T120 as slight loss in performance wouldn't bother me as the Thruxton has more than I really need ( I'm 65 now ) great honest video though
I've never ridden a triumph. Two bikes to test ride.
Thanks for the great vid 😁👍
No problem 👍
I loved my SpeedTwin. Toured Wales on it. Fancied a change and now ride the 1200xe. Much more road presence with this tall bike and it still goes like stink if you want it to.
Haven’t Triumph just upgraded the T120 with new brembo callipers and other changes that improve engine performance alongside weight reduction???
Yes they have.....
@@TheMissendenFlyer ................
Great review! My choice would be the T120 with the stock seat and rear mudguard and with the chrome rather than blacked out finish. I’d also fit some chrome bar end mirrors. The Speed Twin is lovely to ride but I’d rather have a Thruxton if I were looking at a ‘performance’ Bonnie.
Fair enough!
Excellent comparison, although with respect to the exhaust sound it is a bit unfair. The decision was difficult but I'll stick with my Gentleman's Ride. For the other days I have my RS660. Thanks a lot!
TMF, great video as always! I am conflicted between the T120 & Speed Twin and while you give the edge to the ST, I am leaning toward the 120 mostly due to ride stance & posture. Currently I have a Yamaha Star Bolt and want to upgrade to something nicer that has better ergonomics, especially with my legs as the Bolt just isn't doing it for me on longer rides. I've always had a soft spot for Triumphs even before I began to ride 5 years ago and like the classic style of the Bonneville - like you said, it's what a proper bike should look like. I've also thought about the Bobber and Speedmaster, but I think I want a change from the cruiser style.
Any of those you'll love.....
@@TheMissendenFlyer Thanks, I'm sure I will. I only considered the Speedmaster after watching your review earlier this week.
That’s exactly the comparison review I was looking for. Thanks
No problem!
Nice one Flyer. Ones decision really comes down to how you want to ride and look on each. The Speed Twin is set up for you to have a bit more of a go. Saying that, I bought a T100 Black last year and that has enough poke for me in my mid 50s . I’d certainly recommend fitting V&H peashooters. Fabulous deeper throater sound and feels like a couple of extra horses too.
Nice review, I’m thinking about upgrading my street twin to a T120, I’m probably going to go for the speed twin. I’d keep the street twin but running out of room.
Tell me about it!
Hi Andy, fantastic video as usual, just a quick question for you, I’m about to start riding road bikes again and I was wondering if you could recommend a riding jacket that warm and waterproof. I usually wear custom gear when I’m riding my trials bike but it doesn’t really look right on the road.
Depends on your budget - if lots (£2.5K+ for trousers and jacket) go Rukka, if on a budget look at Oxford pro series.
So glad you did this comparison. I own a T120, it wins on style and with an X-Pipe fitted the pea-shooter exhausts sound pretty good as well. On spec the Speed Twin takes it, especially with the Brembo brakes and HP engine.
My wish is a T120 TFC (Triumph Factory Custom) which would see the T120 specced up beautifully. I think Triumph owe us a new TFC soon, and if it’s a T120 I’ll be beating a path to hand over my deposit.
We;; they have just announced their revised T120's that have some nice touches over this model......
Thank you for the great comparison! It was really helpful to hear about your thoughts after riding them back to back. I’m hoping to go test ride both of these models on Saturday for my first big bike. I wish they offered a version of the T120 with a Speed Twin/Thruxton engine.
Enjoy Brian!
I just got back from the local Triumph dealer. Coming from an R3, I felt a little nervous that these bikes would feel too big; not at all.
The T120 was comfortable and easy to ride. It was like a walk with an old friend. Then, I tried the Speed Twin. As soon as I got onto the road, the bike let me know that it wanted to go, but in a confidence-inspiring way. There is now a Speed Twin parked in my garage.
Thank you for the other video you did comparing the first and second generation Speed Twins. I agree that the first generation is the better looking bike, and my local dealer happened to have a brand new 2020 (3 miles on the clock) on the showroom floor, so I decided to grab it while it was available.
Thank you again, and please continue making all the great videos - safe riding!
I had the chance to ride both, plus the Thruxton, before buying and I went for the T120 Black. Does that mean I'm a gentleman now? Your comparison is pretty fair, although the back end on a standard T120 is much more retro than the one on the Ace. If I was 20 years younger I would have gone for the Thruxton, 10 years younger and probably the Speed Twin, as it is, on the wrong side of 60, a gentleman's conveyance is just what I need.
Great video, thank you Sir. I would choose the regular T-120 with all the chrome and put the new Trident's mirrors on it. Now we all know your true hooligan character....LOL...Sal : ).
Apparently I'm old now (says t'wife) so I guess it'll have to be T120. Oh no, that'll be tough. The 'gentleman's ride' cheered me up no end !
Fantastic comparison, TMF, stay safe!
Thanks, you too!
Very nice video sir. I've been riding my '72 Triumph to the dealer a lot lately looking at these two models. Personally, I hesitate to buy a bike with fake carbs. I think it looks lame. So I am very seriously thinking about a 2023 Speed Twin. I suppose that a center stand can be ordered or bought after-market. Maybe there's a way to add a throttle lock to act as a cruise control.I might miss the under-seat storage for a tool kit and the attachment points for luggage. Such a tough decision.
Think this comparison still holds true in 2023? Has there been much change in either bike beyond the multitude of variants and special edition bits (chrome etc)? I’m on a Street Twin at the moment, now 5 years old and remain happy with it. But occasionally looking for a little extra grunt on country rides.
Great review of these two amazing bikes. From what I understand the engines are identical and where Triumph makes the changes is in the throttle mapping and not the fuel and timing. At full twist the throttle is actually only being told to open around 91%. You can adjust this with an Android device and ECU Tune app. Dont quote me on that, but I believe thats the only change between the two bikes with engine and power delivery.
You may well be right - it looks the same physical engine…
Would you consider the Speed Twin suitable for longer distance touring? I am a 6ft tall T120 owner considering the move to the Speed Twin. Performance is not that important for me but the practicality of tubeless tires and the ability to self repair a puncture is what is driving me. Happy to have your or others view 😀
Luggage is an issue but other than that no problem spending long days in the saddle…
Luggage is an issue but other than that no problem spending long days in the saddle…
I have had two punctures on my T 120, my god what a pain, you got to get the bike recovered and that could be a half day wasted, I'm changing it for this reason
Great video, what do u think the best bobber out there, for the money, would love something with a good thump thank u
Great video. Thank you. My 3 year finance plan is just about to finish on my T100 and would like to do a little upgrade ;). Planning to test ride speed twin and T120 end of this month. Love the look of both for different reasons.
Based on your review they are both awesome bikes. It will probably just come down to the test ride. Wish I could have each for a week or so. It’s going to be hard to make a decision after half hour test ride ;(.
Thanks again for the video. Ride safe!
Let me know which you decide!
Went to Triumph West London this morning..and came back home with T120 ace cafe edition 😁 oh she’s beautiful. It was sad to say good bye to my T100 but, I think I can get used to T120 in no time 👍
Great idea to trial both together, well presented. Makes for very interesting viewing.
Thank you Barry, appreciate the kind comment!
It's a fairly easy split between the visual appeal of the T120 compared to the performance and handling of the Speed twin. For that reason i would suspect the T120 to easily outsell the speedtwin as that has signifant competition. Personally i couldn't find a more beautiful bike than the T120, although granted that back end, which I've never seen on a T120 before is dreadful.
I have the T120 Black and love it. It has the V&H cans, the Fox rear shocks, tail tidy, Monza style filler cap and bar end mirrors.
How much improvement in ride quality do your Fox shocks provide?
@@wanionwombat9338 For me, there was a noticeable improvement overall but not really enough for me to say it was worth it. But if you do much 2 up riding then they are worth every penny.
Andy your videos are great! I’ve just bought a t120 black as my first proper bike. I steered away from the ST as I was worried it’d be too tempting to go too fast with limited experience
Probably a wise decision!
Loving the subtitles!! "Piston Fly!!" "Mr Fly!!" :-D
Always raining in Missenden! 😄 Great Video though, shame it's taken me two years to watch it!
Thank you for posting. Very useful guide to watch before a test ride...
Glad you enjoyed it!
Has Triumph sorted out the issues on the Bonnie range yet. T120 misting up clocks ,gear selector on some bikes, wiring issues. Can you turn the headstock left to right see if the wiring sounds as though it is straining?
I just fitted the regulator relocation adapter from Baak. Much relief to the wiring strain. In fact, the regulator wires were broken on my T120 from 2016 after 40000km due to the frequent bending and strain. Hope that it now lasts forever...
@@hallodidldu Triumph's biggest secret ,the wiring harness.
I was looking at Scramblers but your reviews on the Speed Twin are changing my mind.
I currently have a Z650, so know what to expect with the naked bike feel. The modern classic look is absolutely stunning, this bike sounds great even in video, and looks like it's a monster to ride.
Well I’m a fan!
Great comparison video as usual.
Can I just ask you Andy how does the Speed Twin compare with the Rnine t?As you've reviewed both
Thanks👍
Thanks for this side by side comparison, very informative! I’m considering to swap my clumsy (but comfortable) Road King for a Triumph T120… 😅
Good choice!
@@TheMissendenFlyer thing is, my height is 1.96… 🥴
A tough choice Andy! I think you’d be happy with either. Thank you for the comparison review! Love your work! 👍😎🇦🇺
Indeed I would....and thank you for watching...
@@TheMissendenFlyer That should’ve read I think I’d be happy with either! I can’t speak on your behalf sir! 😜
Enjoyed your review, however the new T120 is being released in April with a 7kg weight saving and a number of other improvements.
That is the I am waiting for..
Bought Street Twin in 2017, it lacked a bit of power so I traded it in for a T120 black weeks before they upgraded it with extra 10bhp. Love the T120, though a little heavy, but 3 months later they brought out Speed Twin. If buying now, well I preferred the 1960s style (t120) to the 1970s (speed twin), like having a centre stand for servicing (only available on t120) but hate
but hate cleaning wire wheels. T120 is comfortable enough for my 300mile day trips through Wales, and I guess I will probably stick with it unless I win the lottery.
@@allanshort8264 I'm quite tall 6' 2" and I think the sitting position of the T120 would suit me better with the pegs in a more forward lower position than the Speed Twin and the bars giving a more unright sitting position. Looking forward to the dealer network opening up so I get get a test ride!
@@allanshort8264 wire wheels were one of the things that put me off the T120 and get a Speed Twin. I'm really not like TMF , I HATE cleaning !
Hello! Thank you for the video, very well done comparison, like always.
The thing here, is that the T120 ir more like a cruiser (not really, but gets near to it), and the speed twin, shows a more sporty character. I took both for a test ride, and loved the experience. The problem is that the speed twin has a lot of competition in the Japanese brands, some Italian brands too. And the bonneville T120, has none. To my eyes the BMW R Nine T is not directly competing with the T120 but more on side to side with the speed Twin. We all know that the Kawasaki 900 RS is directly competing with the speed twin and it is cheaper. The engines are different, but the bikes are on the same segment of the market, I think.
In terms of the video comparison, when I tested the speed twin, I felt the good brakes and the not so comfortable seat of the machine and I immediately inclined my self in the T120 direction, once that it has a very exclusive look, and very different from every other bike. That fact, the classic look, “spoke” to me. I came from a Yamaha XSR 900, that Cp3 engine, was something! So, after that, I couldn’t go for the Speed Twin, very alike bikes, but less adrenaline’s riding sensations. Bought myself a KTM SDGT and went for the Triumph T120 for the relaxed sunday`s afternoon rides with my Mrs. I am fully satisfied with my rides. ✌️
Great to have keepers in the garage!
@@TheMissendenFlyer isn’t it? You’re 100% right. That’s the target I aim for👌🏻
I chose the Speed Twin. Only thing I really wish it had is cruise control. Primarily to give my fingers (arthritis) a short break now and then. That short rest makes longer rides a bit more comfortable. Wondering if it can be added as the T120 has it.
I don’t know, worth asking a dealer!