not me straight up forgetting Parrish... well let me tell you this for free: I want Parrish to perish!!!11 that creep omfg I'm sorry but he literally told that kid on a bus that he is 24 in season 3, and then he hits on Lydia?? a 17yo?? no thanks, that's literally crazy (I liked him more before the Lydia thing though) ALSO don't forget to like or share with someone who might enjoy the vid hehe kisses😘😘😘
ikr, i kinda love that the coach and stiles's dad (as well as scott's mom) kept being just adults in their lives (i only watched up to the send of season 3b) -- it was so grounding to have these adults provide a great dynamic of 'straight man' or non-supernatural character to balance the the teen angst or wolf shenanigans (whatever the scene calls for) side note: when i first watched season 1 of teen wolf (like a year ago lol) i was convinced that coach was the alpha (i promised my friend i wouldn't spoil anything for myself) but i like the direction the show took for him as this silly little guy!
Re: Kira's character leaving in the middle of season 5 The actress has a TH-cam video basically explaining what happened on her side behind the scenes but basically, she didn't even know her character was gonna be written off until just before filming it, so it was definitely more of the writers' fault for fumbling her story and their (her and Scott's) relationship arc. She doesn't even know why they wrote her off.
Yeah, so I came back from watching her video because I was a bit fuzzy on the details, but it definitely seems like she didn't know (though she doesn't explicitly say that) because she apologises to her fans for talking about being back in season 6 during interviews. Maybe she didn't want to ruffle some feathers by saying that she didn't know herself that she wouldn't be back? @@LisaFevral
@@LisaFevralthe fans were very hostile towards her as the Allison replacement and the good and bad of the classic live TV model was writers taking fan opinions into consideration. I include Kira’s character in the “needlessly hated black/brown character” TV trope. Crystal Reed gave her reasonings for leaving at the time, but somewhat recently opened up about struggling with substance abuse and they had her come back. It’s clear where the writers were doing the most to try and please fans.
@13realmusic I think they set her up with the writing too, by showing that Scott was not THAT into her at the beginning at all and then also writing them getting together so quickly. They should've given them more thought bc Scott is older and has more to worry about, so his love should be more mature too
23:00 so about kira... i feel like you had to be there to truly grasp how bad the situation was getting with that character, as someone who was in the trenches at 13 everyday defending her on the internet against aggressively racist people because she was the girl that "separated" their beloved main couple like... to this day i have yet to see an worst example of hate and racism directed at an actress because of ship culture and i highly doubt that and the fact she's an woman of color had nothing to do with her being written off without the actress knowledge. they protected Malia and the actress, who basically did the same with the whole "separating one main couple" and was getting hated on also (but not to the same absurd levels), but couldn't even keep Kira on the show or at least give her a send-off worth of her character her and malia will always be some of me and my friends' favorite characters on the show because we could never get behind that shipwar nonsense p.s.: mind you back in the day people used to unironically say kira was the reason alison died they treated my girl like the antichrist
I actually really like Kira:( she's really sweet and her powers are so cool, but the writers definitely set her up with the way they wrote her in as a girlfriend right away instead of giving Allison and Scott some breathing room, and the WRITING HER OFF LIKE THAT????? that's just ridiculous
@@LisaFevralyeah that whole era of tv shows having the one non-white female character in the main group that is always seemingly being set up by the creators needs to be studied honestly
Scott and Stiles scene in s5 just took me out of the story. I can see that the writers tried to make us believe that the Dread Doctors and their book were messing up with everyone's head (not a great execution but this series was never known for great villains outside of void stiles), but Scott and Stiles friendship was way too good for them to have such a stupid fight. Not to mention that this pacifist Scott thing was way too forced. He threatened to kill Gerard and Jennifer before so why was he suddenly so keen on not killing? Also THANK YOU for defending Stiles' buzzcut, he was at his hottest for me in seasons 1 and 2
Yeah like what are they supposed to do now? Just let those crazies kill anyone they want? I agree that Scott can be idealistic to a fault but at the same time I guess they were trying to show that he lost the entire pack… I liked that they had some kind of fight bc it’s realistic, but not like this. Anyway I agree
Coach is a fan favorite and the actor also improvised all of his lines, even said he never read the script, he had no idea what was actually going on in the season hahaha.
14:45 iirc derek was initially written as an older teen/young adullt (19-21ish) but the shows timline is inconsistent bc they retconned his age for the kate stuff. in my head i always saw him as slightly younger than what the show presented.
in another timeline his character potential and csa/grooming + hale fire trauma backstory is more fully developed and explored as his friendship w scott and stiles deepened. relying on the fanfic for that tho
yeah bc when they revealed the Kate thing in season 1 I was horrified, bc clearly he was a kid (before they retroactively changed his age) and she was not
When Gerard’s body rejected the bite me and my mom giggled ngl. Also Danny and coach were my favorite side characters as well. Lydia was my fave character as well. I have issues with her powers and how little they progressed quickly enough ( same for Kira but they could have fixed that if they didn’t screw over the actress). So much to say about this show in such a tiny little comment box ughhh.
You’re absolutely right about the kiss between stiles and Lydia, the writers wanted Stiles to get mad at her for kissing him and Dylan O’Brien said his character wouldn’t’ react like that at all so they let him do his thing and it shaped an entire generation and then they kept doing it in 3b for season 4 to be sooooo dry and for him to get with Malia after such a build up it didn’t make sense at all
@ Which is justified Scott hate. I genuinely think the writers realized they wrote such an average, upstanding guy, and other than being a little dumb he had no actual flaws, was a bit boring, so they tried “saving it” by writing several intentional mishaps to give some semblance of character development once they were solved. The issue is that it was a little too late tbh.
Lydia will forever be my fav character, but I absolutely hated a lot of the writing choices they made for her, a lot of the ones you talked about too. I think the isolation of her character could've been very interesting and well-done had they done it for the right reasons and explored it better. It felt, like you said, that they just tried to keep Lydia and Stiles away from each other. I wish the show would've gone more in-depth about the consequences Allison's death had on Lydia. Maybe her death could've been the reason for her isolation. Maybe she felt like it was her fault or her only connection to the pack was Allison, therefore she sort of lost herself? (Which still wouldn't really make sense seeing as she was able to make a few connections to the rest of the pack in season 3, but whatever.) It sort of felt like she was going through all these things all alone and it just brought me back to season 2, but at least then there was somewhat of a reason for why that was. I also hated how they completely ignored her trauma throughout all the seasons and just moved on as if nothing happened (specifically the trauma Peter inflicted on her). She was always the one getting hurt or ending up in the hospital too, poor girl. Anyways that was my Ted talk, goodbye! :)
Yeah I think the isolation part was accidental instead of purposeful, that’s why they never actually address it as a thing, bc writers were too concerned with keeping her and stiles apart to actually make it a real circumstance that has impact on Lydia
16:00 I remember how frequently this guy was used as model for original characters for fanfics, also Logan Lerman was booked and busy in fanfiction era.
Oh hell yeah this is gonna be fun Edit: As someone who was deep into teen wolf in like 2014, putting coach in the top tier is the best choice imo love him so fun. Edit 2: Yes Stiles is absolutely the character and yeah I believe that has always been the opinion. I don't think teen wolf would have been the show it was, or been as popular as it was without his character. Which I don't think is something that can be said about a lot more, if any, of the other characters. (and imo the actor is great in the media i've seen him in idk more than that)
I fully believe stiles shares fault for the season five Scott stiles breakdown and people ignore that it was avoidable on his part as well if he communicated better. Also stiles has a major character flaw that is largely under discussed which is that he is incredibly cruel and dismissive of others’ extreme trauma and mental illness. He does it to Liam and to Isaac and to Derek. Scott has always surpassed stiles by leaps and bounds when it comes to emotional intelligence and it frustrates me because I love stiles so it kills me that people won’t let him have faults or mess up which deprives him of his nuance and complexity as a character. He’s not always an innocent victim of everyone around him.
I think it's true that in that conversation he was also to blame, but at the same time since he was such a champ for Scott in season 1 when he was super dangerous when transforming, I'd expect Scott to have more trust in him. The dismissive part about Liam, Isaac and Derek is true I think though He's not altruistic for no reason, it's more focused on people he knows and likes
@ you could say the same of him trusting Scott too (imo both are solidly responsible for how it went and theo is most responsible). Also stiles isn’t just dismissive, he’s actively cruel to people who he knows well and whose trauma he’s familiar with. He and Scott compensate for each other’s flaws and in many ways Scott is the light to his darkness (which is how things went so wrong in season 5 bc that dynamic became warped) so Scott counter balances stiles with his empathy (tho stiles is shown to very clearly have empathy for strangers so the stiles is selective argument doesn’t stand up super well for his overall character). Stiles is super important to keep Scott stable too like Scott keeps stiles stable (and why stiles was so scared of letting him down).
@@LisaFevral I mean he’s a pretty complicated guy and tw writing isn’t super consistent but I was also being unclear. I see his empathy as opt out, not opt in, where in general he has empathy for people but a dislike for a people or annoyance at a person in a given moment can really reduce his ability or willingness to empathize with them. The thing with stiles tho is that he gets annoyed quite easily and is quick to distrust and dislike so I think it makes it seem like he chooses specific people to empathize with instead of choosing people not to if that makes sense. This quick distrust is why Scott has trouble trusting stiles’ judgement which doesn’t excuse theo bc that amount of dismissal was out of character for Scott/not justified, but also stiles being right about the bad guy every time doesn’t mean his distrust is always founded. I really love stiles and I love how complex and flawed he is and I love that the writers saw Dylan’s talent and gave him substance to work with so I really value stiles’ flaws. The only cool thing about the season five fight is it shows how them drifting apart threw them both off balance and made Scott especially make more poor choices like not giving stiles the benefit of the doubt.
Thankkkkkk i thought i was the only one to see it. Scott, dead ass gets all the blame for that situation, as if stiles didnt play a part in that as well.
Kira is my favourite teen wolf character and she was done so dirty. Her and Scott didn’t even break up when she was unceremoniously written off so badly for no reason and then the writers don’t even call her back for the 6B team up?????? And then Scott starts dating Malia out of nowhere????? Isaac was also kinda done dirty as well. I would’ve loved more seasons of him, especially with how the show ends his arc, he’s just an unaccompanied minor in France since Chris is written back into the show. Edit: I think initially, Derek was supposed to be like a couple years older than Scott and styles in the Hale house fire was like a fairly recent thing, but as the seasons went on and they kind of just forgot about that and that’s why they make that comment of “not as young as we could have been but not as old as you might think” in Visionary. Like my bare minimum research says Derek was supposed to be nineteen but who can never be sure.
i think youre sooo right. lydia was my fav bc i was a messed up kid to say the least 😭 but i think she was so human and she and stiles were so perfect for eachother because they were the two that the group didnt exactly take care of... so they always took care of eachother. lydia WAS always alone!! and like NOBODY remembered him??? you call him your brother but youre the first to forget him?????? nobody was scared for him through season 3b???????????? dont get me wrong i LOVE void stiles dylan o'brien with his dark eyebags just yelling evokes in me an emotion i have never otherwise felt, but it always makes me so miserable rewatching bc im like THIS GUY IS DYING!!! HE LOOKS LIKE HELL!!!! YOURE ALL WORRIED ABOUT YOUR LOVE LIFE WHAT ABOUT HIS LITERAL LIFE????? its a kind of neglect thats honestly jarring the more i rewatch teen wolf and thats why their scenes together were so raw in a way that the other cast just didnt have because they were the literal definition of "sharing woe and weal" and i think that goes hand in hand with the whole weird "youll grow out of wanting to be part of your community" thing. i think his and malia's relationship definitely had similar roots and i think they got together because stiles needs to save people he has a fundamental need to be someone others can lean on, but thats also why he has lydia. hes the healthiest version of himself with her in that regard, and shes the most honest version of herself with him too imo, so its safe to say i still listen to my 2015 stydia playlists 😭
now that you say this, you're so right... they are always the ones taking care/saving others, even in day to day life(bc you can argue that Scott saves ppl, which is true, but he only comes through in life/death situations, and doesn't pay attention until it's too late) ALSO! the reason why they all forgot him and Lydia was able to remember the quickest is bc she's a Banshee(I think) and yeah, stiles was so neglected by his friends:(
@@LisaFevral lmao yeah i know but like personally im built different and would never forget stiles! the laws of that world are so inconsistent anyways in my head thats just my truth. but you pointing out their constant positioning as the people in the darkest situations is so real... i cant watch lydia's season ever again because it was just TOO traumatizing mind you i was in middle school watching teen wolf, but like they def heal something in eachother. i think for me watching them constantly reaffirm one another is something worth looking for in a friendship, let alone a loving relationship. theyre always on eachother's team and thats just too real
I hate that tag bc those fics are somehow like instantly worse bc it always screws up both Scott and stiles’ characterizations and make stiles a victim of his friends in a way that just does a disservice to him
@ Wish I knew. I just saw that the first fanfiction with this tag on ao3 is from late 2012, back when s2 was airing. I mean, Scott WAS a less than ideal friend in the first two seasons (ditching Stiles for Allison, kissing Lydia and ignoring Stiles warnings and hunches about possible villain suspects) and Stiles was constantly eating shit back then, so it's not impossible to see why it got popular since Stiles was and still is the focus of the majority of Teen Wolf fanworks. And fandoms in the 2010s were all about decentering the jock/cool protagonists in favor of uplifting the nerdy outcast supporting characters so in this context Scott was just another victim of this sentiment. About Tyler Posey: his performance as an actor, while not the worst in the series, wasn't as stellar as the rest of the main cast, which made some people see him as wrongfully cast or just another nepo baby (his dad is also an actor and even appeared on the series once or twice) taking advantage of his privileges. He also made a comment (i think this was in 2014 or 2015) calling Sterek a twisted thing of something like that and fans gave him hell for it even after he apologized. I hope this comment makes sense, english ain't my first language and I'm kinda sleep-deprived lol
yeah now that you mention it he also attacked Stiles physically multiple times when he transformed, something he never did with Allison(he managed to control himself with her)... so yeah, the first two seasons were messy on his part
Finally, we're talking about this showwwww❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥 core part of my high school years. Season 6a its insane. Lydia/Stiles and Coach are my favs, Lydia and Stiles are endgame, danny was cool, Melissa deserves the mom award and Kira is a very underrated character, Peter is hilarious and i really really need to rewatch it🩷
this was such a fun breath of fresh air to watch 💖 and you also made it longer than i have 😂 after they killed off Alison i checked out, i was so mad 😅 edit: forgot to mention, i was so willing to drop this show because i saw the writer/creator of this show admit in comicon that he will write the script last minute, like the night before; instead of finding it relatable i found it annoying. it felt like he didnt feel excited for his own show and that he was half assing it for a paycheck
In the pilot Stiles said Derek was a few years older, than them and the Hale fire happened like 10 years before. So when adding the sexual nature with Kate it had to appear order. Otherwise at a push he would've been around 11 years old. Teen Wolf has an issue with keeping its own timeline and canon. Lydia was on the verge of being a Mary Sue. Malia should have the mental and emotional age of an 8 year old. Love Stiles, Derek, Jordan, Kira and Noah. Oh and Peter is always fun to watch. Not a fan of Scott especially after he told Derek maybe his family deserved to die. But that's what's fun about shows we all see different things.
@LisaFevral Don't forget archaic Latin as she was bored reading the normal kind. I do like Lydia, but there were times. But there were issues or like of history with a few characters
I don’t know if I’m remembering it correctly (probably not) but after Scott and Allison’s breakup and Kira’s introduction there was a moment when Allison comes face to face with Scott and Kira and it’s supposed to be tense until Allison gives a smile and a nod as if giving permission to Scott and Kira to be couple-y in her presence AND HATED THAT SCENE SO MUCH!
Takes me back bc I was obsessed and in the fandom then lost interest after a few seasons because the fanfic was just so much better than the series plot 😂😂
About Derek's age. In S1 Stiles states that Derek was only a few years older than them 20/21 years old and Its not entirely impossible that Kate was older than Derek, like they had their "relationship" after Derek lost Paige when he was 17 so It could have happened and also in Season 3 Peter and Cora states to Stiles that he ages slower thanks to the werewolve genes and that he looked younger than he was also in the Flashback when Peter joins Derek during his lunch break Derek asks him what he is doing he left Highschool ages ago so I don't think Peter and Derek where in Highschool together.
Edit: I went looking back at other BIPOC Teen Wolf fan spaces because I was feeling crazy, but 100% the fandom at the time was so racist towards Scott and every other BIPOC character they brought in. Love Lisa’s video, but I think that’s why seeing fan rankings trigger my fight or flight 😭😭😭 I have to be the Scott McCall defender. I feel like he falls victim to the “static main character” trope so people lose interest in him despite the fact that him being static is essential in keeping the changing dynamics of the other characters noteworthy and entertaining. Kinda like how Victoria is hated in the Victorious fandom. Plus he delivered with “My mom does all the grocery shopping” which will always be one of my favorite one liners! And despite it being somewhat understated, he was a mixed race lead to a popular TV show. It’s fine to love other characters, but the writers give very little reasons to actively hate Scott and it always felt like a microggression to me to see fans say they wish the white side character was the main instead of Tyler Posey. White actors dominated the YA TV landscape (and still do). If they announced a remake of a popular 80s movie franchise with a non-white lead today, people would frothing in the mouth in anger, so Tyler Posey was lucky to get the opportunity when society was less actively hostile to diversity. Maybe I should do my own rewatch, but speaking as someone active on Teen Wolf Tumblr who clocked the Scott hate even before the more obvious Kira hate that’s how I feel. I always feel nervous when I see non-white actors placed into these all white casts even before I had terminology for why, and I highly recommend Princess Weakes video essays since she’s covered that race intersectionality issue in TV a lot. (I also loved the fox-tail myth, so imagine my disappointment in seeing fans not support Kira’s addition to the show lore.) Also love this channel, I hope this doesn’t get misconstrued as hate or implying Lisa isn’t aware of intersectionality. I realize I’ve always been an outlier in the fandom, and there are valid reasons to be bored by Scott’s character, but I always found him the most relatable especially being raised by an awesome single mom.
I actually don't think that Stiles should've been the main character tbh, bc Scott is the type of character that has to be the lead for the story to stay grounded. Scott is also not boring imo, and Tyler's smile really helps to make him believable as a pure wide-eyed kid. That incident in season 5 really changed it for me though, I can't lie, so I had to move him down from lover to iconic!
@@LisaFevralthis! I mean, Scott has his gaults, but he's sweet (kinda?) I remeber watching Teen Wolf and liking Scott, thinking he's kinda Peter Parker coded (by that i mean he has the same vibes at least in earlier seasons) Stiles tho? He's a comedic relief nost of the time and given any more screen time that he was already given people would've gotten fed up with his quirs sooner rather than later, he's literally adhd personified and it would've been annoying Plus that trope is boring Like A normal person saving the day because a whole group of overpowered characters somehow can't? That's an old gag
@@LisaFevral I just saw this smaller TH-camr make a video on the black main character we were robbed of, like I could make a whole video essay on how early 2000s media was hella racist and the fans were eating it up: th-cam.com/video/6VFa60Pa7I4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=10bNLo4mS57eljvh
i can’t get w the allison ranking i always thought she was annoying as a kid. love stiles and lydia tho. but omg i remember being scared of showering with my back to the drain for years after lydia in the hospital scene. love danny too him n stiles were so funny together lol
totally agree with your take about scott and kira, but i prefer stiles with malia. tho i get that stiles and lydia were always meant to be together, for some reason i just connected way more with stalia than stydia
On Derek’s age, he was originally suppose to be 19 but since Tyler (the actor) looks older, they scrapped that idea. His age is never really discussed but it’s a fan favorite to assume he’s like 22/23ish in the first season.
Maybe this is a weird take but I never saw Jackson as a waste of potential. The school bully can be a good antagonist sometimes, but in a supernatural series like Teen Wolf they usually don't amount to anything because we as the audience know that the protagonist has way bigger problems than a rich jock being insecure and lashing out on everyone around him. And while the redemption arc of the school bully can also be good, Jackson was too cold and detached from the people around him for me to believe that. Not a lot of people remember this but he was fully aware that his neighbour (Isaac) was getting abused at home and did nothing about it. He couldn't care less. Not to mention being a bad boyfriend to Lydia and a jerk to Scott and Stiles. I couldn't even buy that his friendship with Allison or Danny meant something to him, because he just did not seem to care enough about them. Isaac on the other hand felt way more like a good character who was wasted by the writers and by the departure of the actor. His list of asshole moments was way shorter and he never felt like a truly bad person. A snarky asshole at times, but never cold and uncaring towards people he actually liked. And while his relationship with Allison wasn't the best move from the writers, his bond with Scott is one of the highlights of the series for me. Maybe I'm kind of a sap for this but I just love seeing a hurt and traumatized kid meeting someone who actually cares about him and slowly tearing down his wall because of them.
I def agree, me placing him in "lost potential" was more of a loss in terms of his impact on other characters. Mostly Lydia, tbh, bc Lydia was shown to have history only with Jackson out of the main characters, and I think her still loving him would give time for her and stiles not being together, and we could've gotten an exploration as to why a girl like her was accepting his behaviour. I personally don't really get ppl like that, but I would love to see that explored, bc I see it ALL the time
ALSO I love that Isaac had such a good relationship with Scott, and it was one of my faves too(especially when they lived together), but they just wrote him off so abruptly and honestly too clumsily
@@LisaFevral Oh that makes sense. I also think that the writers could've captalized on their breakup for longer, but I was fine with her coping mechanism being sleeping with the next bad boy. Kinda bland and uninspired but I didn't find it out of character for her. The writers wrote Isaac off like that bc Daniel Sharman, the actor who plays him, asked them not to kill his character so maybe he could return in the future, but unfortunately it never happened. If you're still in the mood for some Teen Wolf content, Jane Mulcahy made an amazing video on the chaos of sterek. Ships were and still are a major part of the fandom so I definitely recommend it.
@ErosDiabolico I wish it wasn't Aiden though, I just don't vibe with the twins' look ohhh cool I'll check it out!(I was kinda surprised how little sterek there is in the show, bc seems like this ship was SO huge that I was 100% expecting more for them to go off of)
I wonder how much better the writing for this show could've been if the show was more comfortable with recasting actors who wanted to leave. They clearly wanted the core six (Scott, Stiles, Allison, Lydia, Jackson, Derek). Jackson, Allison, and Derek's exits all made sense but I felt like the writers were scrambling to figure out how to write around all these unexpected changes. Anyone who was on Tumblr already knows that Jeff Davis (the main writer for the show) is not a gift. He struggled with writing in general, but especially with marginalized characters. All the nonwhite and women characters deserved better. It's strange how Kira was hated for being called Allison 2.0 (they have nothing in common besides being pretty brunettes who like Scott) when they created the real Shein Scallison between Liam and his love interest (no hate to that actress or that character but the writers who went overboard with the Scott Allison refrences). Danny was so delightful, he needed more.
the fingers over the marking was them making sure it was from a wereperson if it fit the distance between each finger then it was someone who was like them if not then it could have been from an ACTUAL animal that was the WHOLE reason they did that.
Dylan o'brien has done NOTHING wrong omg 😭😭😭 there are more actors in teen wolf WAAAAYYY worse than him, but for some reason teen wolf super fans hate him cause he basically realised he was better than that show and that terrible cast/crew and didn't come back for the movie, that's it 😭
It bothers me that no one ever looked at the argument from Scott's side bcuz Stiles is at fault here as well but for some reason ppl just love blaming Scott for the whole damn thing. Stiles lied to Scott about the whole thing and kept it from him, and they were both manipulated by Theo about the entire thing which makes it even worse. The whole argument was a complete miscommunication honestly. They were both convinced that the other knew the story so they were already on defense when the conversation started. Stiles was convinced that Scott was going to judge him so he pussyfooted around what actually happened/defensively yelled things at him (and wrongfully dehumanized him) and Scott thought what he heard from Theo was true and when Stiles was already on the defense, Scott took that as a sign that what Theo told him was true. Scott thought he knew the whole story while Stiles thought Scott knew the whole story. They were both in the wrong. But you should be more mad at Theo than Scott especially or Stiles. The whole argument was a miscommunication flamed on by Theo being in both of their heads simultaneously. The whole argument would've never happened if Stiles would've just approached Scott once he killed Donovan. If they would've talked prior to that rain argument and told him the full story then it wouldn't never happened. Scott obviously understands the difference between outright killing someone and self-defense, he just was being manipulated as was Stiles, which is why when they ACTUALLY talked it out in 5B while they were on that road trip rescuing Kira, Scott told him he understood bcuz he got the full story. The real person that anyone should be mad towards regarding that argument is Theo.
Theo is definitely the reason for this, and I just don't care for him at all tbh ahaha in this argument both were wrong, but Scott always gives benefit of doubt to EVERYONE, even Peter after he's done so many bad things. That's why he really annoyed me there, like this is your BEST friend man, give him some space, ask more questions, etc
Okay so about the ages haha i was also super confused about it back then especially with that fuckass comment petrr makes later on when stiles asks him about his age in a later and he says "I'm not as old as you think but not as old as I look" like wtf did that mean but personally i believe that initially Derek was in fact meant to be only a couple years older than them but then they changed it so from 19-20 he was in his mid 20s and i think peter was supposed to be a couple of years older than Derek based on flashbacks but theb thry changed that by revealing his Malia's real dad so he would have to have been in his 30s by the start of the show so at least 10 years older than Derek
I haven't stopped as much as I'm saving up to buy out the new pieces. When I create a design, to get it made at a factory I have to buy a minimum order quantity, which is usually making this very expensive
@ Am also saving up to be able to make my first purchase😍I LOVED every single thing, from the logo to the pieces. My dream is to have my own brand one day too. Goo luck🤩❤️🔥
And I was a sterek fan as a teen so don’t come at me. But looking back at how vocal and loud we were.. it makes sense that the showerunners didn’t want to upset us or send us off by putting them together full time.
JUST HEAR ME OUT s6b was not the worst season in the show. it doesnt have to be your favorite but i think the character development of the newer next gen characters was really fun to see. yes, stiles wasnt there and there were so many plot holes and it was kind of stupid but it was also really cool and i loved everyones dynamic sm. scott and malia, derek and scott (in the finale), theo and liam (i swear they carried that entire season), liam and mason, mason and corey, nolan and gabe, theo and mason, lydia and malia, etc. it was a little bit of a trainwreck, but honestly? the entire show is. i wont defend the movie though... that was more of a plane crash. but yeah hi im your neighborhood s6b defender (whose favorite character is theo so maybe im just biased)😭
actually, screw my first statement. idm calling it the worst season of the show. i just think it isnt AS BAD as people say it is. like the movie was 10x worse, and definitely not on the same level lol. ill be the first to admit that s6a is way, way better and the show could have ended there, but i dont actually mind that it continued. i just see that so many people in the tw fandom have literally not watched s6b at all and call it non-cannon or ignore its existence and it makes me want to screamm because go ahead and hate on it BUT AT LEAST WATCH IT FIRST! anyway s6b isn't everyones cup of tea but i think the sheer amount of hate it gets is unjustified. thank you for coming to my ted talk lmao
Stiles is absolutely the best character of that show and people determined to say otherwise are just lying to themselves 🤷♀️ like it's fine if he's not your favorite or whatever but realistically you just have to admit the show wouldn't be even half as good without Stiles in it
Love him but he’s not my fav and you’re right, this is actually why I think season 3b is actually not as good as people say it is. The lack of normal stiles really throws a lot of it off and while the villain is cool, the pacing and dynamics and overall tone aren’t great with the last two being partially a result of actual stiles being gone. Season 6 actually does better without stiles than 3b does and I think that’s bc they were more prepared and had a different cast
not me straight up forgetting Parrish... well let me tell you this for free: I want Parrish to perish!!!11 that creep omfg I'm sorry but he literally told that kid on a bus that he is 24 in season 3, and then he hits on Lydia?? a 17yo?? no thanks, that's literally crazy (I liked him more before the Lydia thing though)
ALSO don't forget to like or share with someone who might enjoy the vid hehe kisses😘😘😘
giving scotts dad 3 seconds of recognition to just say “annoying” is so fucking real
Coach and Stiles's dad were so dear to me, i love the combo of soccer dad with girlypop energy sprinkled over it🛐
Ikr ahaha so entertaining
ikr, i kinda love that the coach and stiles's dad (as well as scott's mom) kept being just adults in their lives (i only watched up to the send of season 3b) -- it was so grounding to have these adults provide a great dynamic of 'straight man' or non-supernatural character to balance the the teen angst or wolf shenanigans (whatever the scene calls for)
side note: when i first watched season 1 of teen wolf (like a year ago lol) i was convinced that coach was the alpha (i promised my friend i wouldn't spoil anything for myself) but i like the direction the show took for him as this silly little guy!
Re: Kira's character leaving in the middle of season 5
The actress has a TH-cam video basically explaining what happened on her side behind the scenes but basically, she didn't even know her character was gonna be written off until just before filming it, so it was definitely more of the writers' fault for fumbling her story and their (her and Scott's) relationship arc. She doesn't even know why they wrote her off.
That’s soooo bizarre omfg why would they get rid of her like this???
Yeah, so I came back from watching her video because I was a bit fuzzy on the details, but it definitely seems like she didn't know (though she doesn't explicitly say that) because she apologises to her fans for talking about being back in season 6 during interviews. Maybe she didn't want to ruffle some feathers by saying that she didn't know herself that she wouldn't be back? @@LisaFevral
@@LisaFevralthe fans were very hostile towards her as the Allison replacement and the good and bad of the classic live TV model was writers taking fan opinions into consideration. I include Kira’s character in the “needlessly hated black/brown character” TV trope. Crystal Reed gave her reasonings for leaving at the time, but somewhat recently opened up about struggling with substance abuse and they had her come back. It’s clear where the writers were doing the most to try and please fans.
@13realmusic I think they set her up with the writing too, by showing that Scott was not THAT into her at the beginning at all and then also writing them getting together so quickly. They should've given them more thought bc Scott is older and has more to worry about, so his love should be more mature too
I can testimony the conversation with the coach about stiles' name was a turning point for the history of the internet
23:00 so about kira... i feel like you had to be there to truly grasp how bad the situation was getting with that character, as someone who was in the trenches at 13 everyday defending her on the internet against aggressively racist people because she was the girl that "separated" their beloved main couple like... to this day i have yet to see an worst example of hate and racism directed at an actress because of ship culture and i highly doubt that and the fact she's an woman of color had nothing to do with her being written off without the actress knowledge. they protected Malia and the actress, who basically did the same with the whole "separating one main couple" and was getting hated on also (but not to the same absurd levels), but couldn't even keep Kira on the show or at least give her a send-off worth of her character
her and malia will always be some of me and my friends' favorite characters on the show because we could never get behind that shipwar nonsense
p.s.: mind you back in the day people used to unironically say kira was the reason alison died they treated my girl like the antichrist
I actually really like Kira:( she's really sweet and her powers are so cool, but the writers definitely set her up with the way they wrote her in as a girlfriend right away instead of giving Allison and Scott some breathing room, and the WRITING HER OFF LIKE THAT????? that's just ridiculous
@@LisaFevralyeah that whole era of tv shows having the one non-white female character in the main group that is always seemingly being set up by the creators needs to be studied honestly
that whole cast was weirdly white tbh, I feel like it's SO unrealistic and doesn't look like anyone's high school when 90% of your class is white
Scott and Stiles scene in s5 just took me out of the story. I can see that the writers tried to make us believe that the Dread Doctors and their book were messing up with everyone's head (not a great execution but this series was never known for great villains outside of void stiles), but Scott and Stiles friendship was way too good for them to have such a stupid fight. Not to mention that this pacifist Scott thing was way too forced. He threatened to kill Gerard and Jennifer before so why was he suddenly so keen on not killing?
Also THANK YOU for defending Stiles' buzzcut, he was at his hottest for me in seasons 1 and 2
Yeah like what are they supposed to do now? Just let those crazies kill anyone they want? I agree that Scott can be idealistic to a fault but at the same time I guess they were trying to show that he lost the entire pack… I liked that they had some kind of fight bc it’s realistic, but not like this.
Anyway I agree
Coach is a fan favorite and the actor also improvised all of his lines, even said he never read the script, he had no idea what was actually going on in the season hahaha.
I think it actually adds so much to the character, since coach also didn't know wtf was going on ahaha
14:45 iirc derek was initially written as an older teen/young adullt (19-21ish) but the shows timline is inconsistent bc they retconned his age for the kate stuff. in my head i always saw him as slightly younger than what the show presented.
in another timeline his character potential and csa/grooming + hale fire trauma backstory is more fully developed and explored as his friendship w scott and stiles deepened. relying on the fanfic for that tho
yeah bc when they revealed the Kate thing in season 1 I was horrified, bc clearly he was a kid (before they retroactively changed his age) and she was not
When Gerard’s body rejected the bite me and my mom giggled ngl. Also Danny and coach were my favorite side characters as well. Lydia was my fave character as well. I have issues with her powers and how little they progressed quickly enough ( same for Kira but they could have fixed that if they didn’t screw over the actress). So much to say about this show in such a tiny little comment box ughhh.
I still cannot believe they didn't tell the actress that they wrote her out of the show
I've literally never seen a single episode of this show but I am sat and ready
Absolutely same😂
You’re absolutely right about the kiss between stiles and Lydia, the writers wanted Stiles to get mad at her for kissing him and Dylan O’Brien said his character wouldn’t’ react like that at all so they let him do his thing and it shaped an entire generation and then they kept doing it in 3b for season 4 to be sooooo dry and for him to get with Malia after such a build up it didn’t make sense at all
like whyyyyyy I know some ppl don't like them together but they are clearly so good together
If I see unjustified Scott hate I will riot. He’s not even my favourite, but he suffers so much slander it’s unreal
the only thing I don't like about his is the season 5 incident
@ Which is justified Scott hate. I genuinely think the writers realized they wrote such an average, upstanding guy, and other than being a little dumb he had no actual flaws, was a bit boring, so they tried “saving it” by writing several intentional mishaps to give some semblance of character development once they were solved. The issue is that it was a little too late tbh.
yeah like they wrote it in when he already threatened to kill ppl so I was like???? how is this logical at all
Lydia will forever be my fav character, but I absolutely hated a lot of the writing choices they made for her, a lot of the ones you talked about too. I think the isolation of her character could've been very interesting and well-done had they done it for the right reasons and explored it better. It felt, like you said, that they just tried to keep Lydia and Stiles away from each other.
I wish the show would've gone more in-depth about the consequences Allison's death had on Lydia. Maybe her death could've been the reason for her isolation. Maybe she felt like it was her fault or her only connection to the pack was Allison, therefore she sort of lost herself? (Which still wouldn't really make sense seeing as she was able to make a few connections to the rest of the pack in season 3, but whatever.) It sort of felt like she was going through all these things all alone and it just brought me back to season 2, but at least then there was somewhat of a reason for why that was.
I also hated how they completely ignored her trauma throughout all the seasons and just moved on as if nothing happened (specifically the trauma Peter inflicted on her). She was always the one getting hurt or ending up in the hospital too, poor girl.
Anyways that was my Ted talk, goodbye! :)
Yeah I think the isolation part was accidental instead of purposeful, that’s why they never actually address it as a thing, bc writers were too concerned with keeping her and stiles apart to actually make it a real circumstance that has impact on Lydia
16:00 I remember how frequently this guy was used as model for original characters for fanfics, also Logan Lerman was booked and busy in fanfiction era.
I love that some ppl got chosen to be on every fanfic cover ahaha the COMMITMENT of them using only a few ppl too ahah
I love the irony of how this show is known for the "sea of abs" but most people watch it for the skinny nerd
STILES WILL ALWAYS BE NUMBER ONE!!!
Oh hell yeah this is gonna be fun
Edit: As someone who was deep into teen wolf in like 2014, putting coach in the top tier is the best choice imo love him so fun.
Edit 2: Yes Stiles is absolutely the character and yeah I believe that has always been the opinion. I don't think teen wolf would have been the show it was, or been as popular as it was without his character. Which I don't think is something that can be said about a lot more, if any, of the other characters. (and imo the actor is great in the media i've seen him in idk more than that)
Yeah stiles definitely made the show
i know lisa would have been fighting alongside the stydia warriors on twitter back in 2015 and i would have been right by her side.
I fully believe stiles shares fault for the season five Scott stiles breakdown and people ignore that it was avoidable on his part as well if he communicated better. Also stiles has a major character flaw that is largely under discussed which is that he is incredibly cruel and dismissive of others’ extreme trauma and mental illness. He does it to Liam and to Isaac and to Derek. Scott has always surpassed stiles by leaps and bounds when it comes to emotional intelligence and it frustrates me because I love stiles so it kills me that people won’t let him have faults or mess up which deprives him of his nuance and complexity as a character. He’s not always an innocent victim of everyone around him.
I think it's true that in that conversation he was also to blame, but at the same time since he was such a champ for Scott in season 1 when he was super dangerous when transforming, I'd expect Scott to have more trust in him.
The dismissive part about Liam, Isaac and Derek is true I think though
He's not altruistic for no reason, it's more focused on people he knows and likes
@ you could say the same of him trusting Scott too (imo both are solidly responsible for how it went and theo is most responsible). Also stiles isn’t just dismissive, he’s actively cruel to people who he knows well and whose trauma he’s familiar with. He and Scott compensate for each other’s flaws and in many ways Scott is the light to his darkness (which is how things went so wrong in season 5 bc that dynamic became warped) so Scott counter balances stiles with his empathy (tho stiles is shown to very clearly have empathy for strangers so the stiles is selective argument doesn’t stand up super well for his overall character). Stiles is super important to keep Scott stable too like Scott keeps stiles stable (and why stiles was so scared of letting him down).
what is it then? (the empathy part) if it's not selective, I'm not sure how else he can be both empathetic and not 🤔
@@LisaFevral I mean he’s a pretty complicated guy and tw writing isn’t super consistent but I was also being unclear. I see his empathy as opt out, not opt in, where in general he has empathy for people but a dislike for a people or annoyance at a person in a given moment can really reduce his ability or willingness to empathize with them. The thing with stiles tho is that he gets annoyed quite easily and is quick to distrust and dislike so I think it makes it seem like he chooses specific people to empathize with instead of choosing people not to if that makes sense. This quick distrust is why Scott has trouble trusting stiles’ judgement which doesn’t excuse theo bc that amount of dismissal was out of character for Scott/not justified, but also stiles being right about the bad guy every time doesn’t mean his distrust is always founded. I really love stiles and I love how complex and flawed he is and I love that the writers saw Dylan’s talent and gave him substance to work with so I really value stiles’ flaws. The only cool thing about the season five fight is it shows how them drifting apart threw them both off balance and made Scott especially make more poor choices like not giving stiles the benefit of the doubt.
Thankkkkkk i thought i was the only one to see it. Scott, dead ass gets all the blame for that situation, as if stiles didnt play a part in that as well.
Kira is my favourite teen wolf character and she was done so dirty. Her and Scott didn’t even break up when she was unceremoniously written off so badly for no reason and then the writers don’t even call her back for the 6B team up?????? And then Scott starts dating Malia out of nowhere?????
Isaac was also kinda done dirty as well. I would’ve loved more seasons of him, especially with how the show ends his arc, he’s just an unaccompanied minor in France since Chris is written back into the show.
Edit: I think initially, Derek was supposed to be like a couple years older than Scott and styles in the Hale house fire was like a fairly recent thing, but as the seasons went on and they kind of just forgot about that and that’s why they make that comment of “not as young as we could have been but not as old as you might think” in Visionary. Like my bare minimum research says Derek was supposed to be nineteen but who can never be sure.
dude, them just pretending like Kira didn't exist is SO crazy, especially since the kitsune storyline was so popular and so good
i think youre sooo right. lydia was my fav bc i was a messed up kid to say the least 😭 but i think she was so human and she and stiles were so perfect for eachother because they were the two that the group didnt exactly take care of... so they always took care of eachother. lydia WAS always alone!! and like NOBODY remembered him??? you call him your brother but youre the first to forget him?????? nobody was scared for him through season 3b???????????? dont get me wrong i LOVE void stiles dylan o'brien with his dark eyebags just yelling evokes in me an emotion i have never otherwise felt, but it always makes me so miserable rewatching bc im like THIS GUY IS DYING!!! HE LOOKS LIKE HELL!!!! YOURE ALL WORRIED ABOUT YOUR LOVE LIFE WHAT ABOUT HIS LITERAL LIFE????? its a kind of neglect thats honestly jarring the more i rewatch teen wolf and thats why their scenes together were so raw in a way that the other cast just didnt have because they were the literal definition of "sharing woe and weal" and i think that goes hand in hand with the whole weird "youll grow out of wanting to be part of your community" thing. i think his and malia's relationship definitely had similar roots and i think they got together because stiles needs to save people he has a fundamental need to be someone others can lean on, but thats also why he has lydia. hes the healthiest version of himself with her in that regard, and shes the most honest version of herself with him too imo, so its safe to say i still listen to my 2015 stydia playlists 😭
now that you say this, you're so right... they are always the ones taking care/saving others, even in day to day life(bc you can argue that Scott saves ppl, which is true, but he only comes through in life/death situations, and doesn't pay attention until it's too late)
ALSO! the reason why they all forgot him and Lydia was able to remember the quickest is bc she's a Banshee(I think)
and yeah, stiles was so neglected by his friends:(
@@LisaFevral lmao yeah i know but like personally im built different and would never forget stiles! the laws of that world are so inconsistent anyways in my head thats just my truth. but you pointing out their constant positioning as the people in the darkest situations is so real... i cant watch lydia's season ever again because it was just TOO traumatizing mind you i was in middle school watching teen wolf, but like they def heal something in eachother. i think for me watching them constantly reaffirm one another is something worth looking for in a friendship, let alone a loving relationship. theyre always on eachother's team and thats just too real
I love your comment so much it took me right back to my "reading stydia essays on Tumblr" era
@@princessemerald849 omfg. my work here is done!
@@winkcloud also omg double heart from me bc I just noticed your pfp is kurumi from her spin off manga?? TASTE
Omg one of my favourite TH-camrs talking about my favourite childhood show 😭😭
I haven't seen teen wolf but every video Lisa makes is iconic
I think it's still gonna be fun to watch, I tried including as much context as possible ehehe
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this is why the “Scott’s a bad friend” tag exist in Ao3 besties 😭😭
I hate that tag bc those fics are somehow like instantly worse bc it always screws up both Scott and stiles’ characterizations and make stiles a victim of his friends in a way that just does a disservice to him
It was already existing before. The Teen Wolf fandom had been cruel to Scott and Tyler Posey since season two. It just got worse onwards.
@ErosDiabolico oh, why since season 2??
@ Wish I knew. I just saw that the first fanfiction with this tag on ao3 is from late 2012, back when s2 was airing.
I mean, Scott WAS a less than ideal friend in the first two seasons (ditching Stiles for Allison, kissing Lydia and ignoring Stiles warnings and hunches about possible villain suspects) and Stiles was constantly eating shit back then, so it's not impossible to see why it got popular since Stiles was and still is the focus of the majority of Teen Wolf fanworks. And fandoms in the 2010s were all about decentering the jock/cool protagonists in favor of uplifting the nerdy outcast supporting characters so in this context Scott was just another victim of this sentiment.
About Tyler Posey: his performance as an actor, while not the worst in the series, wasn't as stellar as the rest of the main cast, which made some people see him as wrongfully cast or just another nepo baby (his dad is also an actor and even appeared on the series once or twice) taking advantage of his privileges. He also made a comment (i think this was in 2014 or 2015) calling Sterek a twisted thing of something like that and fans gave him hell for it even after he apologized.
I hope this comment makes sense, english ain't my first language and I'm kinda sleep-deprived lol
yeah now that you mention it he also attacked Stiles physically multiple times when he transformed, something he never did with Allison(he managed to control himself with her)... so yeah, the first two seasons were messy on his part
Kira will always be my favourite female character, she's just so dear to me
Finally, we're talking about this showwwww❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥 core part of my high school years. Season 6a its insane. Lydia/Stiles and Coach are my favs, Lydia and Stiles are endgame, danny was cool, Melissa deserves the mom award and Kira is a very underrated character, Peter is hilarious and i really really need to rewatch it🩷
this was such a fun breath of fresh air to watch 💖 and you also made it longer than i have 😂 after they killed off Alison i checked out, i was so mad 😅
edit: forgot to mention, i was so willing to drop this show because i saw the writer/creator of this show admit in comicon that he will write the script last minute, like the night before; instead of finding it relatable i found it annoying. it felt like he didnt feel excited for his own show and that he was half assing it for a paycheck
honestly, based on the myriad of plot holes and other nonsense I believe he definitely wrote everything last minute ahahah
Off topic but Understitch referenced you in their Djerf avenue video! Your informational research slay!!!
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In the pilot Stiles said Derek was a few years older, than them and the Hale fire happened like 10 years before. So when adding the sexual nature with Kate it had to appear order. Otherwise at a push he would've been around 11 years old.
Teen Wolf has an issue with keeping its own timeline and canon.
Lydia was on the verge of being a Mary Sue.
Malia should have the mental and emotional age of an 8 year old.
Love Stiles, Derek, Jordan, Kira and Noah. Oh and Peter is always fun to watch.
Not a fan of Scott especially after he told Derek maybe his family deserved to die.
But that's what's fun about shows we all see different things.
yeah they went crazy with adding random lore for Banshees, making her whatever the plot needs at the moment
@LisaFevral Don't forget archaic Latin as she was bored reading the normal kind.
I do like Lydia, but there were times. But there were issues or like of history with a few characters
I don’t know if I’m remembering it correctly (probably not) but after Scott and Allison’s breakup and Kira’s introduction there was a moment when Allison comes face to face with Scott and Kira and it’s supposed to be tense until Allison gives a smile and a nod as if giving permission to Scott and Kira to be couple-y in her presence AND HATED THAT SCENE SO MUCH!
I read that scene as them acknowledging that they are ok with moving on
moving is terrible, I moved like 8 times from ages 6 to 22. but at least I am now a specialist a packing, heavy loading and building furniture
omg same it's too much ahahahah
girl ur channel is so underrated u deserve the world ur content is so amazing i’ve watched all ur videos 😭🩷🩷🩷
Thank you sm🥹🥹
Takes me back bc I was obsessed and in the fandom then lost interest after a few seasons because the fanfic was just so much better than the series plot 😂😂
All I know is lydia will always be my fav character In the show
DYLAN O’BRIEN makes me want to cry because he’s beautiful and funny and chaotic and goofy? I -- just - I --
It’s sick and twisted😭🙂↕️🙂↕️
Dylan O’Brien does make me feel a certain way, but Tyler Posey… 🤤🥴
This cideo has reminded me of how the Theo❤Liam ship took my breath away. I almost want to watch that season again just to see that again
this was and still is one of my fav shows of all time and its so good i saw this video and immediately clicked
About Derek's age. In S1 Stiles states that Derek was only a few years older than them 20/21 years old and Its not entirely impossible that Kate was older than Derek, like they had their "relationship" after Derek lost Paige when he was 17 so It could have happened and also in Season 3 Peter and Cora states to Stiles that he ages slower thanks to the werewolve genes and that he looked younger than he was also in the Flashback when Peter joins Derek during his lunch break Derek asks him what he is doing he left Highschool ages ago so I don't think Peter and Derek where in Highschool together.
0:54 is so true. I’ve never heard someone explain werewolves better 😭
I didn’t expect this video and I am NOT complaining ✋🏽
I would love to see a deep dive on Code Lyoko!
OMG YESSS I JUST REWATCHED TEEN WOLF LAST YEAR
Edit: I went looking back at other BIPOC Teen Wolf fan spaces because I was feeling crazy, but 100% the fandom at the time was so racist towards Scott and every other BIPOC character they brought in. Love Lisa’s video, but I think that’s why seeing fan rankings trigger my fight or flight 😭😭😭
I have to be the Scott McCall defender. I feel like he falls victim to the “static main character” trope so people lose interest in him despite the fact that him being static is essential in keeping the changing dynamics of the other characters noteworthy and entertaining. Kinda like how Victoria is hated in the Victorious fandom. Plus he delivered with “My mom does all the grocery shopping” which will always be one of my favorite one liners! And despite it being somewhat understated, he was a mixed race lead to a popular TV show. It’s fine to love other characters, but the writers give very little reasons to actively hate Scott and it always felt like a microggression to me to see fans say they wish the white side character was the main instead of Tyler Posey. White actors dominated the YA TV landscape (and still do). If they announced a remake of a popular 80s movie franchise with a non-white lead today, people would frothing in the mouth in anger, so Tyler Posey was lucky to get the opportunity when society was less actively hostile to diversity. Maybe I should do my own rewatch, but speaking as someone active on Teen Wolf Tumblr who clocked the Scott hate even before the more obvious Kira hate that’s how I feel. I always feel nervous when I see non-white actors placed into these all white casts even before I had terminology for why, and I highly recommend Princess Weakes video essays since she’s covered that race intersectionality issue in TV a lot. (I also loved the fox-tail myth, so imagine my disappointment in seeing fans not support Kira’s addition to the show lore.) Also love this channel, I hope this doesn’t get misconstrued as hate or implying Lisa isn’t aware of intersectionality. I realize I’ve always been an outlier in the fandom, and there are valid reasons to be bored by Scott’s character, but I always found him the most relatable especially being raised by an awesome single mom.
I actually don't think that Stiles should've been the main character tbh, bc Scott is the type of character that has to be the lead for the story to stay grounded. Scott is also not boring imo, and Tyler's smile really helps to make him believable as a pure wide-eyed kid. That incident in season 5 really changed it for me though, I can't lie, so I had to move him down from lover to iconic!
@@LisaFevralthis!
I mean, Scott has his gaults, but he's sweet (kinda?)
I remeber watching Teen Wolf and liking Scott, thinking he's kinda Peter Parker coded (by that i mean he has the same vibes at least in earlier seasons)
Stiles tho? He's a comedic relief nost of the time and given any more screen time that he was already given people would've gotten fed up with his quirs sooner rather than later, he's literally adhd personified and it would've been annoying
Plus that trope is boring
Like
A normal person saving the day because a whole group of overpowered characters somehow can't? That's an old gag
@@LisaFevral I just saw this smaller TH-camr make a video on the black main character we were robbed of, like I could make a whole video essay on how early 2000s media was hella racist and the fans were eating it up: th-cam.com/video/6VFa60Pa7I4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=10bNLo4mS57eljvh
I don't watch teen wolf, but I see a Lisa Fevral video and I watch
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i can’t get w the allison ranking i always thought she was annoying as a kid. love stiles and lydia tho. but omg i remember being scared of showering with my back to the drain for years after lydia in the hospital scene. love danny too him n stiles were so funny together lol
totally agree with your take about scott and kira, but i prefer stiles with malia. tho i get that stiles and lydia were always meant to be together, for some reason i just connected way more with stalia than stydia
I think it makes sense to connect more with stalia, since they got like two or 1.5 seasons together
only watched the 1st episode of teen wolf like 10 yrs ago this is still tea haha
I 100% agree with all your oppinions
the 28 reasons cd in the back
I would love to see you do a video regarding the fashion on Teen Wolf now that you’ve seen it!
I really wish they would make a spinoff show for Deaton and his sister.
On Derek’s age, he was originally suppose to be 19 but since Tyler (the actor) looks older, they scrapped that idea. His age is never really discussed but it’s a fan favorite to assume he’s like 22/23ish in the first season.
Danny was cute I was dying wanting to be held by him 😂
Ngl me too even though I’m not his type😭😭😭
TEEN WOLFF ARWOOO
I think it would have been great if you had shown the final full tier list at the very end of the video
Oh I’m so ready!!!
Maybe this is a weird take but I never saw Jackson as a waste of potential. The school bully can be a good antagonist sometimes, but in a supernatural series like Teen Wolf they usually don't amount to anything because we as the audience know that the protagonist has way bigger problems than a rich jock being insecure and lashing out on everyone around him. And while the redemption arc of the school bully can also be good, Jackson was too cold and detached from the people around him for me to believe that. Not a lot of people remember this but he was fully aware that his neighbour (Isaac) was getting abused at home and did nothing about it. He couldn't care less. Not to mention being a bad boyfriend to Lydia and a jerk to Scott and Stiles. I couldn't even buy that his friendship with Allison or Danny meant something to him, because he just did not seem to care enough about them.
Isaac on the other hand felt way more like a good character who was wasted by the writers and by the departure of the actor. His list of asshole moments was way shorter and he never felt like a truly bad person. A snarky asshole at times, but never cold and uncaring towards people he actually liked. And while his relationship with Allison wasn't the best move from the writers, his bond with Scott is one of the highlights of the series for me. Maybe I'm kind of a sap for this but I just love seeing a hurt and traumatized kid meeting someone who actually cares about him and slowly tearing down his wall because of them.
I def agree, me placing him in "lost potential" was more of a loss in terms of his impact on other characters. Mostly Lydia, tbh, bc Lydia was shown to have history only with Jackson out of the main characters, and I think her still loving him would give time for her and stiles not being together, and we could've gotten an exploration as to why a girl like her was accepting his behaviour. I personally don't really get ppl like that, but I would love to see that explored, bc I see it ALL the time
ALSO I love that Isaac had such a good relationship with Scott, and it was one of my faves too(especially when they lived together), but they just wrote him off so abruptly and honestly too clumsily
@@LisaFevral Oh that makes sense. I also think that the writers could've captalized on their breakup for longer, but I was fine with her coping mechanism being sleeping with the next bad boy. Kinda bland and uninspired but I didn't find it out of character for her.
The writers wrote Isaac off like that bc Daniel Sharman, the actor who plays him, asked them not to kill his character so maybe he could return in the future, but unfortunately it never happened.
If you're still in the mood for some Teen Wolf content, Jane Mulcahy made an amazing video on the chaos of sterek. Ships were and still are a major part of the fandom so I definitely recommend it.
@ErosDiabolico I wish it wasn't Aiden though, I just don't vibe with the twins' look
ohhh cool I'll check it out!(I was kinda surprised how little sterek there is in the show, bc seems like this ship was SO huge that I was 100% expecting more for them to go off of)
I wonder how much better the writing for this show could've been if the show was more comfortable with recasting actors who wanted to leave. They clearly wanted the core six (Scott, Stiles, Allison, Lydia, Jackson, Derek). Jackson, Allison, and Derek's exits all made sense but I felt like the writers were scrambling to figure out how to write around all these unexpected changes. Anyone who was on Tumblr already knows that Jeff Davis (the main writer for the show) is not a gift. He struggled with writing in general, but especially with marginalized characters. All the nonwhite and women characters deserved better. It's strange how Kira was hated for being called Allison 2.0 (they have nothing in common besides being pretty brunettes who like Scott) when they created the real Shein Scallison between Liam and his love interest (no hate to that actress or that character but the writers who went overboard with the Scott Allison refrences). Danny was so delightful, he needed more.
back in my day if someone said something bad about stiles was not being taken seriously bc everyone loved him
the fingers over the marking was them making sure it was from a wereperson if it fit the distance between each finger then it was someone who was like them if not then it could have been from an ACTUAL animal that was the WHOLE reason they did that.
you can see it just by looking babe😭😭😭 also everyone had very different hand sizes, especially if it's someone who's 4'10 vs someone who's 6'10
was not expecting this but in hindsight I guess it was just waiting to happen
As a long term fan 6b is NOT canon.
ok great bc I don't accept it either ehehe
Dylan o'brien has done NOTHING wrong omg 😭😭😭 there are more actors in teen wolf WAAAAYYY worse than him, but for some reason teen wolf super fans hate him cause he basically realised he was better than that show and that terrible cast/crew and didn't come back for the movie, that's it 😭
It bothers me that no one ever looked at the argument from Scott's side bcuz Stiles is at fault here as well but for some reason ppl just love blaming Scott for the whole damn thing. Stiles lied to Scott about the whole thing and kept it from him, and they were both manipulated by Theo about the entire thing which makes it even worse. The whole argument was a complete miscommunication honestly. They were both convinced that the other knew the story so they were already on defense when the conversation started. Stiles was convinced that Scott was going to judge him so he pussyfooted around what actually happened/defensively yelled things at him (and wrongfully dehumanized him) and Scott thought what he heard from Theo was true and when Stiles was already on the defense, Scott took that as a sign that what Theo told him was true. Scott thought he knew the whole story while Stiles thought Scott knew the whole story. They were both in the wrong.
But you should be more mad at Theo than Scott especially or Stiles. The whole argument was a miscommunication flamed on by Theo being in both of their heads simultaneously. The whole argument would've never happened if Stiles would've just approached Scott once he killed Donovan. If they would've talked prior to that rain argument and told him the full story then it wouldn't never happened. Scott obviously understands the difference between outright killing someone and self-defense, he just was being manipulated as was Stiles, which is why when they ACTUALLY talked it out in 5B while they were on that road trip rescuing Kira, Scott told him he understood bcuz he got the full story. The real person that anyone should be mad towards regarding that argument is Theo.
Theo is definitely the reason for this, and I just don't care for him at all tbh ahaha in this argument both were wrong, but Scott always gives benefit of doubt to EVERYONE, even Peter after he's done so many bad things. That's why he really annoyed me there, like this is your BEST friend man, give him some space, ask more questions, etc
Do a ranking of the ships
Okay so about the ages haha i was also super confused about it back then especially with that fuckass comment petrr makes later on when stiles asks him about his age in a later and he says "I'm not as old as you think but not as old as I look" like wtf did that mean but personally i believe that initially Derek was in fact meant to be only a couple years older than them but then they changed it so from 19-20 he was in his mid 20s and i think peter was supposed to be a couple of years older than Derek based on flashbacks but theb thry changed that by revealing his Malia's real dad so he would have to have been in his 30s by the start of the show so at least 10 years older than Derek
Hey why did you stop posting in your brand’s ig? Just checked it out and I wish there were more launches
I haven't stopped as much as I'm saving up to buy out the new pieces. When I create a design, to get it made at a factory I have to buy a minimum order quantity, which is usually making this very expensive
@ Am also saving up to be able to make my first purchase😍I LOVED every single thing, from the logo to the pieces. My dream is to have my own brand one day too. Goo luck🤩❤️🔥
thank youuuu🥰🥰
Sterek (Derek + Stiles) fans kept Lydia and Stiles from being more at the forefront.
And I was a sterek fan as a teen so don’t come at me. But looking back at how vocal and loud we were.. it makes sense that the showerunners didn’t want to upset us or send us off by putting them together full time.
JUST HEAR ME OUT s6b was not the worst season in the show. it doesnt have to be your favorite but i think the character development of the newer next gen characters was really fun to see. yes, stiles wasnt there and there were so many plot holes and it was kind of stupid but it was also really cool and i loved everyones dynamic sm. scott and malia, derek and scott (in the finale), theo and liam (i swear they carried that entire season), liam and mason, mason and corey, nolan and gabe, theo and mason, lydia and malia, etc. it was a little bit of a trainwreck, but honestly? the entire show is. i wont defend the movie though... that was more of a plane crash. but yeah hi im your neighborhood s6b defender (whose favorite character is theo so maybe im just biased)😭
actually, screw my first statement. idm calling it the worst season of the show. i just think it isnt AS BAD as people say it is. like the movie was 10x worse, and definitely not on the same level lol. ill be the first to admit that s6a is way, way better and the show could have ended there, but i dont actually mind that it continued. i just see that so many people in the tw fandom have literally not watched s6b at all and call it non-cannon or ignore its existence and it makes me want to screamm because go ahead and hate on it BUT AT LEAST WATCH IT FIRST! anyway s6b isn't everyones cup of tea but i think the sheer amount of hate it gets is unjustified. thank you for coming to my ted talk lmao
Im at the beginning of the vid butt aaaaaanletsgoo :3333333
did you watch the movie? also coach ❤
I refuse to watch the movie😭😭
@@LisaFevral Good for you! You're not missing anything, I promise
I hate the Western trend of rejecting needing others and wanting to be needed as well. Hyper individualism is inhuman
yeah like why shouldn't you wanna be the one to rely on or be needed?
@@LisaFevralso yoi can guilt-freely exploit trust and sacrifices of others
Finally, a series I understand!
I knew you would show up for this one ehehe
@ Been in hiding. Had a tumour. Also moving. You know the vibe 😎
how's the tumour? just a cut out and done situation?
@@LisaFevral Yep! Lost most of my thyroid so they're still determining if I'll need replacement hormones, but fingers crossed not.
@@LisaFevral How's you doing?
I’ve found my people 🙂↔️
Btw the writers wanted dylan o brien to act angry when lydia kissed him but DOB said that wouldnt make sense and he kind of went off script.
I’ve seen a couple ppl say that here but I wonder where they talked about it?
Stiles is absolutely the best character of that show and people determined to say otherwise are just lying to themselves 🤷♀️ like it's fine if he's not your favorite or whatever but realistically you just have to admit the show wouldn't be even half as good without Stiles in it
Love him but he’s not my fav and you’re right, this is actually why I think season 3b is actually not as good as people say it is. The lack of normal stiles really throws a lot of it off and while the villain is cool, the pacing and dynamics and overall tone aren’t great with the last two being partially a result of actual stiles being gone. Season 6 actually does better without stiles than 3b does and I think that’s bc they were more prepared and had a different cast
Omg yesss :33
I hated allison’s character. Maybe I am alone in this though
Oh, why??
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It really was cheesy. I tried so hard to finish, but I just couldn't, and now I don't even want to watch the movie🫤 I also missed Stiles
yeah don't watch the movie, I read what happens and it's ridiculous
Yikes
Ill gift you a leopard print coat if u do that for Vampire Diairies 🥹
im like a sochi G right here