“You’ve Invented A Game That Could Be Played WITHOUT The Game…” | Dragons Den
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- Brother and sister duo Graham and Fiona Fraser-Bell are seeking an investment of £45,000 in return for a 15% equity. 'Accentuate Games Ltd' is a “guess-the-accent” board game. The pitch got off to an awkward start with Peter telling Graham Fraser-Bell that he had lost £5m in “poor investments” and that the game is just far too simple...
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Peter's strategy almost always:
*shits on your pitch and make it seem worthless* → *makes you an offer for more than x2 equity proposed* → stonks
I said the same thing on a different video so he obviously does it so much that we both think it is a negotiating tactic. Hopefully the business entrepreneurs watch the show enough to recognize how he negotiates. : )
Peter and Deborah make the most deals in a joint investment together more then any other dragon or dragons make, whatever their tactics may be...... Then if you look into it after the show they 90% of the time withdraw from them deals after!...... Deborah is so in awe of Peter and is his 2nd biggest fan..... Peter is his own biggest fan and full of it...... Whenever he wants to persuade anyone to get an investment when other dragons want to make a deal he always goes on about levi roots ffs....... Deborah is so arrogant and seeks attention..... Duncan was the most arrogant and pompous, until jenny he was the less likely to part with his money!...... The best one in my opinion and genuinely down to earth and remembers where he came from is theo....... Sarah Willingham is great but I'm biased cos I think she's gorgeous..... Hillary I liked again cos she was down to earth and more genuine but I wouldn't trust her around my dalmatians!..... Them 3 are the only ones worth a carrot.... Sarah yes she's fit imo but jokes aside she's genuine and not up her arse or rude for the sake of it and when all 3 make deals it happens...... Peter and his sidekick Deborah are as fake as it gets and all about attention and trying to look good on camera 🤢 Duncan is a cretin but at least he owns it and don't pretend
@@daveyber3564 theo is top tier
Yeah get everyone else out so that he’s the only one left so he can charge more for equity.
@@daveyber3564 Tej was one of the well-spoken and balanced in their judgement ones
I think Birmingham Russian has solidified Nick as my favourite Dragon
@NotAPolarBear You & Me too, but hey, is my chin still on the floor..?
I love Nick he’s got so much character 👌
That was the funniest thing I’ve seen on tv!😂😂
Peter's face was the icing on the cake
As a russian speaker, that was not tussian. That was gibbrish. Not a single word he said was even remotely close to a real word in russian...
Peter: This is a terrible idea, so I'm going to make you an offer.
Jenny: This is a great idea, so I'm out...
She would have a hard job since she isn't in this episode.
These Jenny jokes are OK if she is a Dragon, but not very much when she isn't in the show.
Lmao 🤣
Nick: This is my idea. Thank me later
@@rocky_wang
Jenny is not in this episode..
@@rocky_wang
So why do you people keep trying to make Jenny jokes then, as probably a lot of viewers of these episodes won't have a clue what you are wittering on about.
These jokes just are not funny anymore, as she left last year..
Grow up.
Nick Jenkins improving their product like that for nothing. What a genuinely nice guy
Made the game more boring tbh
if they use his idea their market will shrink to almost nothing 😂
He only suggested it so he could show off his Russian obviously.
@@KJ_2020 Seriously! They talked about wanting to market the game in America, and they can kiss that goodbye if they add in the language thing.
KJ 2020 how would the market shrink?
I looked the company up and they’re still going, making a £100k profit in 2020. Peter is still an investor
Deborah after winning the game: 'YES! YES! YES!
*Five seconds later*
Deborah: 'I DoN't LiKe GaMeS...'
She means from an investment standpoint. Your quote is out of context, listen to her explanation.
@@Kronoser8090 Not only does Deborah not like games but I guess you don't like jokes! So thanks for commenting but I won't be investing; I'm out✌
@@Kronoser8090 He was joking, and it was FUNNY!
HAHAHAHAHA right? she was definitely having fun. I've never seen her so happy.
@@Kronoser8090 it's a joke mate
Peter's strategy:
First he identifies that there is a potential in the business
Then finds a fault with it
Then he waits for all other dragons to exit the deal based on the fault that he identifies
Then at last he makes a sole offer for a big percentage of the business
He employs his business mind in making offers as well
Feel sad for other dragons who fall into his trap.
He is also the wealthiest and has the most clout.
That really isn't what happened. Peter found the fault with it before Nick identified the potential. Despite the potential, Nick declared himself out. Peter agreed with Nick's speculation after all other dragons declared out except Touker, changed his mind and decided to invest.
Don't be so quick to shame and point fingers, what you said happened did not happen.
The business is now a success, the inventors won, Peter made a good decision, the other dragons simply didn't want to take the risk, they weren't manipulated in any way. In fact, what Peter said was pretty valid until Nick spoke.
Edit: Sarah declared out because she didn't understand the game. Deborah declared out because she doesn't like board games. Nick declared out because he didn't think the inventors needed his money further expertise. And Peter played a role in that how exactly?
If Peter was true to his words then why did he did he offer an investment at the last? You need to follow more dragons den episodes to understand. He has used the same tactic many times.
@@vishwasai7040 He literally says he changed his mind when Nick suggested incorporating language into the game.
I watch a lot of dragon's den episodes but obviously you like to draw ridiculous inferences so I'll keep this short. You're making things up in your head that aren't at all intelligeng and if you still believe you're right after what I've said you're extremely deluded.
@@nebulosza8682 So you are saying that somebody like Peter Jones will be so easily influenced by the words of another dragon that he changes his mind and makes an investment? Unless he sees the real potential he will never invest.
These two are honestly the most likeable people I've seen in the den. Professional, well spoken, optimistic without being delusional, and most importantly truly enthusiastic about the product.
The guy was a successful business man before, he was obviously prepared for this
I thought they were sad bastards.
The bloke struck me as incredibly full of himself-- something which was realised when he revealed that he had made some 5mil before, but lost it all.
@@oxymoron02 ..well that was BS..the guy was clearly lying...
He most £5 million… you can’t be honest and likeable and loose £5million !
Optimistic .. well yes because he’s living off what’s left of his savings at the time this was broadcast so of course he was optimistic.. what other choice did he have
Peter: None of the money for all of the business.
Entrepeneurs: We accept!
This cracked me up man
Hahahaha
None of the money for 50% of the business is still a good deal in many cases. The dragons don't only bring money to the table, they bring their network. If you know the right persons, an average project can turn into a multi million business.
This man has lost everything stood back up and tried again . I admire him a lot .
Jenny would love this game:
'I'm oot'
'Estoy fuera'
'ich bin raus'
'Estou fora'
'je suis dehors'
etc
I think you just done a direct translation.
Je suis dehors would directly translate late to "I am outside"
Literally meaning in outside of the building as in standing in the cold, not to be confused with an English saying, "im out"
As "im away", "not for me", "no thanks" or even "im not with you".
If a French person said that they would look at him like he is crazy saying "im outside".
Iain Fraser same for the Spanish “estoy fuera”.
@@WWEslam nope, el de español está bien, stop lying
Yes
@@Belisarius536 Agree, "Je me retire" is much more likely
That’s how peter drags the price down ! He criticises it so much than all of sudden makes an offer and the person in front ,thinks it’s the last life line on the planet.😀😀
He does it every time. You would think people would be onto him by now
Classic 😅😂
I think most of the dragons take the complete pi$$ on their demands..
Normally want the shirts off the backs of the entrepreneurs to boot..
You sell that in the sex game markets for the fart fetish weirdos
JB that’s true, but I saw it put really well in the comments here once: “it’s called DRAGONS den for a reason”, they’re never going to be fair.
Nick Jenkins is so underrated. Really enjoy the episodes with him.
Yeah he's a treat, like Sarah
Plot twist: They went with Nick's idea then found it had been patented and received a court order from Nick.
"You cant play monopoly without the board and the tools"
r/wallstreetbets: are we a joke to you?
GME stonks
@@thomasr1051 HOLD IT!!
Is the game available in stores? Or is the company dissolved? Any update?
@@5tyyu it’s available, on John Lewis
Haha 😂 said
Imagine Duncan was sitting there, trying to speak Received Pronunciation.
You can clearly see at 7:26 how Nick actually sold the idea to Peter, they should be really grateful to him.
Peter: the game doesn’t need the game and that’s why I’m going to make you an offer 😂
It's ridiculous and he liked the pitch!
Peter is an interesting character because despite not understanding the games industry very well at all he knows that it's profitable.
Think he liked the game, liked the entrepreneurs, and Nick Jenkins’s idea
I think Peters dad had something to do with it. That guy is tuned in, I like Suleyman also he said nothing bad about them or the game and then made them an offer, he always comes in with clean hands.
@@mrzoukdotcomzouklambadaboo8212 he has a habit of coming in too low though instead of fully committing. I think if they'd offered to rent his office in London that might have swung it ^_^
I'm surprised Touker wasn't able to guess Peter's accent. He must be hearing it all the time around his office space.
Does Touker even have office space????
@@clk1564 I subscribe to the theory that it's just a lock-up somewhere in the East End.
Wait, he’s got offices? Thought he would have mentioned it or something
@@tome2648 🤣
Apparently his offices are in the west end of London. So different accent.
I’m gonna make a game where I fart and the other person has to guess what I ate. Dragons, if you’re interested you know where I am
Willow234 I'll invest 3mill for 6%
Sorry I mean 3 million partials
I'm in Or is it "out" in this case?
That is some windy offer ! :D
Are you a Northener? You might even get Jenny to invest in that case.
Nick's idea was hilarious. He pulled it off so effortlessly.
It's so funny to me how stupidly competitive Deborah is. Every single time there's a sniff of casual competition during a pitch she goes nuts trying to win and then celebrates even the smallest victory. I remember a pitch where a bricklayer entrepreneur invited all the Dragons to lay a brick each during a pitch, and Deborah was like "WAS MY BRICK THE BEST? DID MY BRICK WIN?". No wonder she's had so much success, girl just loves to win.
Yeah I guess that's her personality, and why she's done so well in business
Interesting back handed compliment
But she apparently doesn't like games
The guy looks like bond villain.
Nick Jenkins feels so boring when you first hear him talk, but listen to him for like 5 minutes, and he's hilarious.
i feel the same for james caan and tej tbh, both boring at first but really intriguing and classy, and in nicks case, pretty funny
There are a lot of fun board/card games I've played that could be played without the set, but the set helps with the experience.
Losing that 5 mil is rotting him from deep inside
you will never be successful with this attitude...
@@mindaza0 don't lecture on success until you attain it
No doubt the divorce settlement did - been there done that.
Man got rinsed out there
@@ThePrimeMinisterOfTheBlock even then, it always seems cringeworthy 😅
Peter is a smart, shrewd businessman. I think he often rips the product or service at the start in order to plant a seed of doubt in the heads of the other potential investors, so that he can come back later and make an offer with a smaller chance of having to compete with another dragon. He has a very influential voice on this show and I reckon he sometimes wields it in order to clear the field and make room for his own offer to stand uncontested.
Classic jones put every other dragon off by making a product look bad then swooping in with an offer. Genius
Anybody else now getting ads from Jenny about her energy switching company she invested in on here? I like to quote her and say “I’m out” as I skip the ad
Hi, I'm Jenny Campbell. I'm well known for being out, whether that's out on the town with Deborah, out of multiple investments, or even out of free water! After finally investing in 'Look After My Bills', I now realise that I am out of my mind x
matt3w97 lockdown has been hard on you Matt, hasn’t it?
Ummm no.
I run Adblockers so I don't have to suffer from adverts....:)
@@owensmith1179
Also out of this episode too.........:)
*Peter:* And I really don't want to do the deal...
*Touka:* :\
*Peter:* ...with another dragon
*Touka:* >:(
Touka looked so smug when he made the offer of 15%
Was not expecting that from Nick!!
Peter: that product is trash
Entrepreneurs: it made a lot of money tho
Peter: did i say trash? I mean trash..ional.. it's a rational business idea and i'd like to give you an offer
The trickster
I honestly dont see people playing this game for longer than 10 minutes. Most people just dont know alot of accents.
Not necessarily saying this game would take off, but Peter's point about not needing the game to play it can be applied to Yatzy, Pictionary, and pretty much any party game. You don't need fancy chips to play poker, but people still buy them because having a boxed premium product feels good.
I'm Russian and I understood almost nothing of what Nick said lmao
That's because no one understands a Birmingham accent in any language.
Same. I couldn't even hear the russian in there. It's what ukrainian sounds like to me.
@@DUIrina because he spoke it in a Yorkshire accent hence the reason it didn’t sound Russian at all
I heard a da and a Vasily in there
I don't understand English in a Birmingham accent
Nick just earned my respect. He made the game better.
Wait until Peter sees the Russian language on paper. Good luck winning that round😂
Nick’s Birmingham/Russian accent is absolute brill - Bab 😂
Just loved Nick's "Russian in a Brummie accent" - lol
Honestly Peter was investing in that gentleman he was clearly articulate well educated and very investable , as for the game i hope they done well with it
"Whats driven me from a child that failed his 11+"
That man has come back from rock bottom.
Bahahahaha
The "different languages" should be like an expansion pack rather than a mainstay in every pack since not everyone is multilingual, much less able to play with different accents.
A more universally appealing addition would be an allowance for it to become a drinking game. And an app tie in, especially when everyone is locked in their own homes during a pandemic.
Ooh, yeah! I feel like making it a drinking game would make it funnier, lol.
Well if everyone was multilingual, it would be a fairly boring game. The idea is to use clues on the language to guess the language. And if the person playing it can do a really convincing accent, they can probably convey it without their partner even knowing.
Are you in any way associated with EA?
You've got to love Nick Jenkins 😂
Peter: i offer all of the money for 50% of the company
Entrepeneurs: we can't go higher than 15% so what about 15%
Peter: i'll tell you what, 50%, and if you repay me i drop down to 49,6%
Entrepeneurs: WE ACCEPT!
Very profitable
This bloke seeems like the type who would use the word 'synergy' a lot.
he's definitely a 'let's circle back' guy
Haha. Two quality comments. He’s also the type to “unpack an issue whilst providing objective solutions”.
haha, that made me laugh.
The type to always say ‘let’s touch base’ after lunch
The type to say, “have you tried thinking outside the box?”
different languages? we arent all polyglot millionaires.
The moral of this episode?
*NEVER* *GET* *MARRIED*
Sarah didn’t know what a Scottish accent sounds like?!?
Some people just can't do accents, I know because neither can I, just get over it!
@@carlhartwell7978 Its not about doing accents, it's the fact that she doesn't know what it sounds like
Ikr, I'm Jamaican and i could probably do a Scottish accent!!!!
Tajoneil , but the Jamaican and Scottish accent sound the same?!
@@yusifluay Okay, yeah she did say that, though I think she just mis-spoke, I'm sure she could identify one if she heard it.
I would’ve thought it’s incredibly difficult to speak in an accent but in a different language as well. Nick is really skilful at that.
If his ex wife is reading this, I'm in a relationship but we can work something out sugar muma
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
We all know she filed those papers soon as that paper landed
Selvan Mnguni 😂😂😂
😂😂😂🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼😂😂😂
I honestly don’t understand why men still get married.
You’re potentially giving away more than half of your wealth
That couple was just very likable and that’s what won them the investment in the end for sure. Shows that being nice and honest can take you a long way
They're not a couple lmao. They're siblings
Ah Nick! He's my favourite dragon. He's clever and canny + a very engaging bloke.
you can play a lot of games without the board etc but the point of having the pieces and so forth is to get people round to play together and to give it structure
First time I've seen this... I'm genuinely happy that they got their deal
Peter by asking a random question `what do you do for living?` uncovers all hidden facts.
It’s simple, yet so, so effective
Girlfriend and her sibling love doing accents and always joke around with it. This would be a brilliant gift.
Go on Nick! Who knew he was keeping those skills under wraps all this time. Give that man a job! 😂😂😂
7:10 - that's "hello there" in welsh.
How do you say "general kenobi" in welsh?
@@bradleyhall6979 bang your head on the keyboard and press print.
12:58 Touker was so *salty* he had to drink water ! lol
Yoooo I actually have this game at home, they actually did pretty well with this game, but didn’t go with Nick’s idea of putting different languages in - they stayed with English.
yeah it's a terrible idea. doing accents is clearly hard enough for most, so is speaking another language. so you're going to.. cobine the two??
I've actually got this game and it's a good crack at parties! Really good novelty product.
Did they add the different languages to the accents?
@@sbaxter4207 I looked it up on Amazon, and no. They didn't. I think that's a rather good thing, as it doesn't limit their market nearly as much. They have appeared to work on the game a bit more. There's a new point system in it that wasn't mentioned in this episode. The more difficult the accent the more points are given.
@@royaljudas5982 Yeah they're selling it for a very folks price of £30 plus delivery. Such a great price for a box with two stacks of cards.
Nice to hear! I was guessing would be fun to play 🤭
I think one of my favorite things about watching these clips is watching British people struggle against their nature and uncomfortably navigate through candid conversations about money
They should call the game “ACCENTuate the positive”.
I'm Russian and didnt even understand that was Russian... he sounded polish if anything
Nick is a kid at heart. Love to see him on there
Sarahs the person that, when it comes to playing charades at Christmas, says shes not playing
Sarah: "Let me go next round...(doesn't do anything for 29 seconds)"
Jenny walks into a bar; she sees Lee Mack and punches him in the face - "Not Going Out!? Are you f***ing serious?"
So happy for them. They seem genuine people.
Who else agrees Sarah is just absolutely lovely? When she laughs and smiles it’s such a warm feeling. Love watching her in action.
Her staring right at the camera in this episode? I think I’m in love.
What action
8 years later and sounds like they’re doing very well.
The game is being sold on Amazon and has a rating of 4.3/5 based on 807 reviews.
They’ve clearly got money, don’t believe he lost 5 mil
INNER KID RANKINGS...
1. Sarah Willingham
2. Deborah Meaden
3. Nick Jenkins
4. Peter Jones
5. Touker Suleyman
Everyone had a chuckle. Heartwarming and a great idea for a game.
Peter Jones net worth is £550mil.. 45k is like groceries.. Yet he makes it feel like he is shelling out 30% of his net worth by investing in something he thinks is a punt..
he's not a charity, he's taking a risk.
@@aziz9488
Plus,if no one negotiate
The show would be less entertaining
She didn't know what a Scottish accent sounded like...
Nick and sarah are the best dragon I've ever seen. Nick give ideas for free and out because think the entrepreneur doesn't need investment. And sarah are always so polite.
This is the most predatory I've seen the dragons behave so far. They really tried to scam them out of a fair deal for a second there.
Jenny...."I'm so out I'm not even in this episode"
When Nick spoke in Russian it sounded like he was speaking in reverse!!!
If they released the series on digital download or even boxset dvd, I'd 100% buy it!
🤣🤣🤣
Same here but for half the money
Seems like a fun game, but surely would get very repetitive
Have you ever played Cards Against Humanity? It’s probably fun once or twice with people you really like and then you never touch it again.
Interesting concept but too limited. There would have to be something beyond just the acting and guessing; an actual board or something that progresses along with the basic idea.
@@justinianslegacy6463 As someone who has bought cards against humanity and played it twice and never again, I full get your point lol
Just like any game
@@justinianslegacy6463 you play cars like a few times every month and a half
Living in the US, I can’t imagine a game like this being marketable. How many accents could a person actually identify before the game is over? The second dragon couldn’t even do it. I surely couldn’t. Seems more like an exercise in futility than a game.
" I'm bad at the game so I'm not gonna invest " now THAT is spite
The other woman at least made more sense, in that its hit or miss with games.
Peter is just years ahead of the others in terms of business. The others obviously know what they’re talking about, Nick especially. But Peter has ascended to the point where he is the business.
As someone who plays a LOT of boardgames; the idea of a game being playable without the game isn't necessarily bad. It can be taken to different extremes of course, but most games can be printed or pieces substituted from different games if the person really wants to. For a game like this, it does hurt its case that there isn't anything inherently unique about it as Peter pointed out, but as nick imediately suggested, there is ways of adding layers to bring it back. All in all I think Peter played up the drama of it very intentionally for the camera and for some level of strategy.
You don’t actually need a product though to implement Nick‘s suggested alteration. It’s an improvement on the original proposal but you can read the product description and play the game without needing to buy it.
The obvious answer to Peter's (valid) point is something like Pictionary. You don't actually need the boxed game to play, but the game still sells millions, and Mattel paid millions for it.
I can't be the only one blown by the fact, from having 5mil. to not have 45k. to run your product.
I've heard of this game but never knew what it was.. sounds fun, think I might buy it!
The investors seemed very professional and likeable too, well done to them!
does anyone else get cringe chills whenever a board game comes in?
uh, no. Why?
I can offer you the same answer as Don Joe plus I will tell you that this is not a board game because it doesn't have a board.
Yes! I think family games are only for some people. It’s like second hand embarrassment
Anybody making a board game should just go straight to Kickstarter. It is hands-down the best platform for seeking an investment for this kind of product.
@@dilatedbeholder3865 Exactly. Some of the highest esteemed board games have been funded on kickstarter. And like one of the dragons said, games are a weird market. Traditional investment seems quite risky to me for games.
The way Touker reacted when the guy said he wouldn't take a salary, almost like he's had money before and no longer cares for it.
This guy talks like a fonejacker character haha
@@europeanpatriot8031 u wouldnt know
Wow that brought back a memory
European Patriot Fonejacker is a tv show on channel 4.
6:17 that bit was really credible and got the investment I feel
It was a good answer
ALWAYS Peter “ i don’t like your business, it’s fundamentally flawed, therefor i’m going to make you an offer... 10 TIMES WHAT YOU ARE OFFERING”
Deborah always gets sooo excited with these games! 😂😂😂😂
Well the game is still going. It's selling on Amazon.
Why pay for something you can play for free
@@illford I recon people buy it as xmas gifts. Getting the product is just motivation to get people to play a family game. But really if it takes that kind of motivation to play a game then people probably aren't interested in the first place...
@@illford Because some people need structure. Look at the dragon who couldn't play even with it written down and think about the people who couldn't play unless it was written down.
@@Ni999 And a game laying out what to say and the accents is less embarrassing than trying to convince your friends to play this out of the blue
@@hiimjustin8826 Yep, some people need structure.
Touk's wishing he offered that office space to substantiate his chances lol ...
As a native Russian speaker I struggled to understand what Nick was saying in "Russian". Sounded more like Dutch to me.
As a native Dutch speaker it didn't make sense to me at all. Sounded more like someone speaking simlish backwards.
He was speaking Almasty ;)
Nick Jenkins read Russian literature at Birmingham University. He then worked for eight years as a commodity trader living in Moscow.
Not a surprise he speaks Russian
Peter's Theo impression is spot on!
8:15 it is NOT a board game. It is a card game, where the cards are not necessary.
I respect Deborah, and I respect her experience, but the Games industry does have a method to it's madness. As much as it might seem like magic, it's really not.
Great job putting this video on when it was already on BBC Iplayer a week before