Tesla Model 3 Performance Reveals 600+ Horsepower Drive Unit | Better Than We Expected
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- The Tesla Model 3 Performance has been said to have over 600 horsepower with its rear drive unit upgrade, and according to these sources, it may be coming as an unlock very soon
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What have I learnt from all this, it’s that Tesla could be a lot more transparent with everything! Which battery do you have in your Model 3 Performance th-cam.com/video/HBZWtHN3Xog/w-d-xo.html
Because the car has ludicrous badging, I believe Elon will later on offer us an upgrade horsepower for $2000 or so, that is. pure profit for Tesla. Like the power boost on the 3 and Y. Maybe 2.6, 0-60. I hope I am right, I get my car on June 6.
Yup I think so too, anyone believing it’s not a ludicrous badge hasn’t seen spaceballs
wait you even have a date!? mine says Est. Delivery “June”
i’m betting the upgrade will be $4k
Did you just recently get a date? I ordered mine like 3 days after I came out and I'm like 2 hours away from the Fremont factory and mine still just says June
I will definitely purchase that upgrade if it’s offered. $2K for sure, $4K sit would have to be a later purchase. Maybe a couple years in or so.
@@bobert69ross82I live in San Jose and mine still says June. When I first ordered it, it said May-June
Great video. Thank you for sharing all the new tesla information..
Thanks for the support! 👊
Great discussion John, do you know what the hp rating is for the standard LR model in North America?
Appreciate it! The HP is the same as the previous gen, approx 380hp on the dyno but varies depending on SOC
Between the correct badging, and also the badging in the performance seats, it seems like at least for the American market. This should be a shoot into uncork it easily. Maybe it will come as a holiday update but hopefully even sooner as a simple add-on in our app as soon as we get the car. Have there been any deliveries anywhere domestically in the US?
Yeah I believe so, but Xmas is a long time from now 🥲 no deliveries yet
4:13 you had me in despair but brought back hope right after 😂.
Haha there’s always hope! 🫡
what is the HP for M3LR? Ive seen media outlets saying 490 but i dont think its correct?
393
My (eu-Shanghai) 2023. july M3 LR dual motor: front motor 3D3-165 HP, 163 Nm; rear motor 3D7- 276 HP, 330 Nm; total- 441 HP, 395 Nm; 0-60- 4,2 s, top speed- 233 km/h; range- 602 km; weight- 1830 kg; battery- 80.3 KWh/75 kWh, nmc Li-Ion, (LG ?);
So I keep hearing that the refresh M3P has “bigger” brakes but haven’t heard if that’s referring to the prior Performance model or just the current LR.
They’ve upgraded the pads, now using the same one from the Plaids for better stopping but create more dust and noise
Is the Long Range Highland coming with the powerboats, just like the previous model?
I’ve been told there is, and it’s coming. The motors from previous gen and now are identical
Great info J., awaiting my order red black performance . June est on app . Charge to 80%?
Beautiful choice! Hopefully the wait isn’t too long, I heard black seats are moving earlier than configs with white seats. And yes, charge to 80% for this battery
@@heyJohnEe Yep... good old NCA batteries (4416 cells). The previous M3P had the same battery config.
@ElaineNijerian 🙌
Delivery within the next two weeks! CAN’T WAIT
!!! Can’t wait super excited for you
Yes. Good update and thank you.. Hope we do get a performance boost option in the future. Even if Tesla plays it safe on the drive train and give use 90 HP boost for an even 600 would be sweet 😊
Definitely, we’re all hoping for that fingers crossed 🤞
The reasons why you can get a software boost for the Long Range is that the model per software is not using all the max discharge power of the battery. However,
LG 5L battery: Maximum Discharge Power 416kW. The Pannasonic is close to 460kw. Yes maybe Tesla doesnt use all 100% without a boost or update. Im just saying you will never be able to get more then the max discharge power. Its not a software but a hardware issue in this case. Meaning while the M3LR is software locked the M3P is hardware locked.
@DrumL3000 interesting point
sounds good. Maybe I'll wait till the fall and see if those updated batteries are set in. Is Juniper being released soon. I see cosmetic changes to MY but it's not the same as M3. May op for MYP-juniper if it ever comes out.
Juniper is expected Q4 outside of NA, maybe early 2025 for the US
What's juniper?
@@jlucer53 Fully updated MY
@jlucer53 it’s the codename for the new Model Y
@@heyJohnEeI am leasing the M3-P black on black for 3 years. I really wanted the updated MY-P but need a car and can’t wait. Interest rates are trash right now so figure within 3 years new model Y will be out, kinks worked out, perhaps even updated from launch. I’ll then purchase the MY-P and hope interest rates are better for purchase.
There's no doubt they'll come out with an acceleration boost for "ludicrous mode," in my opinion. It'd be sacrilegious to brand it with a ludicrous badge to just have insane mode. Considering the acceleration boost isn't even available yet for the long range, I think they'll probably unveil the software upgrade at one of their video recorded events to get people hyped up again. I do think that with the ludicrous mode, they'll probably have the same disclaimer they used to have on the Model S Raven that it could cause premature wear to the components. With the cooling technology offered in this car, I'm hoping it'll be able to accommodate the kind of energy discharge from the batteries that full power acceleration will require. I guess only time will tell, but I'm not too worried about picking one up and it not being able to reach its full potential in the relative near future. It's already a flagship for the segment and that'll probably take it to around 2.5s 0-60, which will be perfect!
Yeah I agree with your points
6:18 - "this is just LUDICROUS to say the least"
i see what you did there 😉
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I ordered a solid black one and it moved from May - June to saying June only, looks like the free colors come first
That’s awesome! Glad it’s coming along quicker for you
Honestly wish I would have gotten a beater car last year , because I am upgrading next year. I bought a new Kia stinger gt2. This new model 3 performance is nearly 20k cheaper. I got a fully loaded stinger Gt2. Plus saving on gas wil be a plus
The now limited edition stinger is now something very special, but yeah the 3P is something else
If owning a tesla has taught me anything, never buy the first iteration of a new model. The 2022 model 3 is very different from the 2021 adding amd chip, heated steering wheel, wiper defrost and round rear door speaker grills vs squares and thats after refresh model 3 where we got the black trim and new center console. But since my 2022 was one of the first ones (12-21 build) i only got the heated wheel and round speakers, i dont have the AMD chip that came a month later and was so pissed when I found out. Even the plaid came out and then 8 months later it got new headlights and tail lights so now a early plaid looks like a 2017. Id wait at least 6 months to order this car.
Agreed with your points 🫡
Test drove it today John in New Zealand
Sweeet!! How was it compared to the previous M3P
Buy or lease M3P? I know about the tax credit but I'm concerned about rapid depreciation.
I’d buy unless there’s a buyout option for lease. You can’t determine the market when you sell privately, but leasing you know for sure every dollar is gone when you return it
@@heyJohnEe say I wanna have the car for 3 years, if I lease it I may actually end up paying less money overall vs a car that depreciates badly even if you count money you get back through trade or sale. It really comes down to depreciation.
I have a 2023 mp3. I live in Florida so I bought mine in September of last year. I am waiting for the better horse power model three!
You’re in the US, you should have the highest HP variant
Did I miss the reference in your video on why your title says 600+ hp????
Did you watch the entire video?
Yeah you did
@@alstonmiller212 the title sounds more definitive (like an official announcement), while the video was much more speculative.
I didn’t speculate anything, all proof was provided from the gov and transport authorities. I’m just relaying exact that. Also, I mentioned 600HP in the drive unit, I never said the car was going to be 600HP
I'm in Australia and a week ago when I ordered it says only 460hp version will be sent
Yea cos Shanghai manufactures for Australia market and uses LG Battery instead of Panasonic. So yea, lower performance unfortunately.
@@kenkiros I hope it's underrated because if a old one is faster the hell am I paying $88,000 AUD for
@@stevesute i received my VIN today (europe) ... postpone it for 20 days until we find out what the real performance in a quarter mile test or 100-200kph... i don't want to pay for same performance (i understand the upgrades to seats, suspension, handling etc) but ... using same old LG and limited battery... makes me cancel my order :(
@@MOMENTSbyGabrielsame I may cancel as well if it comes out that's it's about the same speed as the old one in the quarter mile why even bother getting the new one, just buy some better brake pads and get some coilover suspension and get a old one
I still don't have a vin assigned. Support says the white interior is delayed. Frustrating
Yeah white is delayed, maybe too much demand and harder to produce we don’t know. But white is definitely worth the wait, it’s amazing!
I waited three months for the performance model. Being in the EU I am now considering just going with the long range due to the LG battery, I would always feel I got the downgraded model compared to the US. The price difference is also quite high here for what you get (no tax incentive here on the performance) along with quite a lot lower range.
I guess I need to wait till I can try a performance to make up my mind.
Agree with you. I want to cancel my order too. Old battery tech, low range, and big devaluation are the reasons.
Let’s wait and see once owners get their hands on the car and there are comparisons
2025 should bring better battery technology. I will wait. My 2022 Model3 Performance is still fun enough.
Definitely
I think unfortunatelly what you say is wrong. Its likely there is a mistake in the units and should read HP instead of kw, that would give 460 HP which is exactly what is anounced for all LG cars made in Shanghai... waiting for mine to ship in the begining of june:)
But that would make it slower than the old Performance Model as that was already measured with 480 hp on the wheels, so the Battery has to give even more. I have the Lg 79 Battery in my Model Y with Acceleration Boost and i got readings from Scan My Tesla with 506hp delivered to the motors and about 530hp maximum from the Battery.
I think Tesla is underpromising here as this is the only Model 3 with 3 Driving Modes. For the old Model 3 and Y it was ok to drive in Sport all day and now it would be slower with buttons to make it even more slower? I think that the Standart Mode will be on Level with Model 3 Lr and Loudicrous will be way faster than Model 3 Performance, espacially at faster speeds. Tesla also said it will be 32% faster than old Model, that would even make the not US Model with 10% less Power way faster than old Mo3 P. But lets see, im very thrilled for the first Drag Races/ Measurements!!!
@@D00MINIKLower power does not translate to lower 0-100 acceleration times. Yes, it's only 460 hp. But don't forget that this is maximum power output, that is only reached at higher speed (previous Model 3s reached max power at about 80 km/h). Until that point, power starts at 0 hp and grows linearly to max power depending on torque. And the new M3P has higher torque of 723 Nm, compared to only 660 for the previous model.
This means, that - even if max power output is lower - the point of max power is reached faster. Or in other words, the new M3P has *higher* power output at the same speeds than the old model, but stops at 460 hp, when the old model still continues to increase power. But at that point, the new model has already reached a higher speed.
We’ll have to wait and see for initial deliveries and soon a proper dyno test to confirm
It really doesn’t make any sense to include that badging if only a slim performance gain, so I suspect an uncork option for extra $ at some point. Probably near the end of the fiscal year and especially to shore up a poor Q1.
Yup exactly I agree
Getting mine in December. Trying not to think about it too much 😂 Hope it lives up to the hype I’ve built up in my head.
Thank for the info. Subbed.
Haha we’re all on the same boat! Thanks for the sub 🫡
I suspect to get the full amount of HP you will have to pay extra to unlock it if you get the model that starts at 510HP
Yup likely extra fee to unlock
Given plaid can deliver 1020hp with 100kwh battery, Model 3 can definitely deliver 800+hp with 82kwh battery. It's just simple physics. The battery has never been the bottleneck. M3P is limited to 510hp because Tesla doesn't want it to be as quick as plaid.
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600hp M3P ludicrous will do low 10's ⚡️🇺🇸
Maybe even 9s? Or I’m being to optimistic 😂
@@heyJohnEeVery optimistic. The MS LR has done a best 10.6@129mph with 670hp. Those are of course with the older electric motors. Since the M3L will be lighter it’s possible to get to mid 10’s at 125-126mph. Of course, until they can test it we can only speculate.
@@user-zf1ol7op7y Yes it should be in the US, Although i dont know the battery specification and its max discharge power for the Model S LR compared to the Model 3 P.
@user-zf1ol7op7y haha you’re most likely right
@@DrumL3000MS LR has the same battery pack as the Plaid at 100kwh. The difference is the carbon wrapped motors for the Plaid.
I believe it. EM knows that he needs to build a M3 that can outperform the Xiaomi SU7 Max at 660hp.
No he doesn't. The M3P can dance around the BMW M3 at the track and spank it at the drag. That's the target. Not a phone-car.
Not entirely sure about the SU7 yet until more reviews come out, more credible ones at least
@@TecnamTwin Still wishful thinking. The BMW xdrive has more hp and less weight. It smoked the former model 3p Let‘s wait for the first comparisons and track data of both, then we talk again. At high speeds the Tesla lost already.
@@TecnamTwinThat WAS the target. That was before the Chinese entered the picture and Elon knows what’s going on over there. I guarantee you he wants to get ahead of them. If you REALLY want to know the EV space you have to look further than North America.
@@heyJohnEeThere’s quite a bit of news and reviews on it John. I’ve seen at least six of them and none of those were promotional. Near term they may not pose a threat but the Chinese are getting pretty enthusiastic and bold with EV’s.
You cant patch or software unlock battery limitations. The battery will be a big bottleneck outside the US and in the US not so much. Easy as that.
Doesnt mean its a bad car, since it will be better then the previous m3p. However you still pay for motor power you can not use. Obviously at some point, my guess will be next year, that we can expect a better battery and also maybe front camera and hw v5. In the end Its a tech company building a tech car and Just like with pc or smartphones there is no perfect time to buy. Make no mistake, Its a money burning machine, since as soon you buy it will be outdated soon after.
You have a good point, but maybe we can squeeze some extra efficiency out of the batteries and get some gain
While you can not patch the battery to deliver more power, with those powerful motors maybe you could increase max torque, which would effectively speed up the power-build-up when accelerating, effectively delivering max power of 460 hp at a lower speed than before. Which would lead to quicker 0-100 times too, without exceeding the battery power limit.
Acceleration Boost Software Upgrade
Most likely
Pretty sure this is just an mistake 460kw vs 460hp, seems like simple human error to me
I have a few people from difference countries confirming this info too, it’s a coincidence that the 460HP and 460kw is both referenced tho, good point
Singapore is LG battery right? So would you think this means that 460hp is either intentionally underrated or that 460kw in the future on the LG batteries is possible? I’ve got one on order in Aus, considering cancelling because of LG battery, now not so sure
@masoudfarzad6227 we’ll get a clearer idea soon enough, once deliveries happen and someone dynos it
I don’t think so. The motors can push near 617 hp. If you do the conversion, 460kw = 617hp. So , it's 2 different ways of writing it. We still have the batteries limitations issues. 😐
Yeah. Even their website says 460HP, bro is just blowin smoke.
I’m upset outside u.s it’s only the lg 460hp battery. I’ll wait for the 4680 & hw5 within 2 years for the full power & tech.
Yeah I feel ya, but it’ll be a forever waiting game lol by that time they’ll already be working on next gen hardware
@@heyJohnEe it’s inevitable the battery upgrade will be coming in a year or 2. They’ve upped 4680 battery 20% over last quarter and with byd releasing 1000km battery this year Tesla will have to upgrade the lg.
Probably within 1 year not 2
@Tes23P true. Fingers crossed for that
I wonder how China feels about this. Why would you buy this car if there is a SU7 Max. lol
Pretty sure it wont take long for newer battery because of other companies building pressure. This will render this car pretty much useless real quick.
Not bashing tesla or the car, but tech and development is going faster then ever atm.
Just plug in more batteries 🔋 🔋 like nos cans in race cars 🏎️ more weight more juice to squeeze
lol true 😂
I don't think anyone has received a VIN yet
Yup you’re right
@@heyJohnEe i got a VIN today in Europe... but i did postpone it for 20 days, because i cannot decide ... cause of the LG battery thing! still thinking to cancel my order!
@MOMENTSbyGabriel hey congrats! Unfortunately it is what it is
1) The slower European M3P has 460 HP , the US version 510 HP 2) The usable range on the Rwd version is better then this M3P! 3) Outdated LG/ Panasonic batteries Conclusion: devaluation is gonna be huge+ Tesla being unclear about specs and batteries.
The lr awd with 19s is only rated for 8 miles more than the 20" equipped m3p with perf tires you absolute muppet!
The perf with 18s or 19s like in china would be similar to the awd! 😂
theres just general inconsistencies. the Europe version is not slower than the US version. they use different batteries, but in testing they are identical. infact the europe version (chinese source batteries) boast slightly better perfromance characteristics and less degradation. but in the grand scheme of things, the two versions are practically identical. same 0-60 times, same range, same in gear acceleration (from a roll) and the same eficiencies.
@@brettbradshaw3704 thanks for replying. How do you explain the difference in Hp?
@Vonliten he’s totally incorrect. It’s fine to say that Europe is getting same power performance on the low end, but to say it’s even better than the US batteries in terms of torque, 0-60, overall performance, and efficiency is wrong. Some people can’t accept the fact that they’re getting a lesser product and have to convince themselves that it’s better. Tesla shouldn’t be doing this to begin with, but it’s not good to give incorrect info also.
@@heyJohnEe th-cam.com/video/jaokz_Bwti4/w-d-xo.html heres an old vs new for the previous generation. aparently different hp but same results. misha also concluded this when he put them both on a dyno
why are you saying 600+ hp when we already know it's 510 hp cuz its been out for more then just a week...
I provided all the proof in the video from the gov and transport auth, just relaying info. Also, it’s 600+hp drive units in the title, not the car itself
just dyno it, no guessing
No one took delivery yet as far as I know
Or all the authorities just makes a sum of power of two motors as it is simple way. But it sais nothing about the real power of car. Both motors have the peak power in different rpm so to sum the power is wrong approach
But those authorities charging taxes to owners based on the motor power that’s unachievable is also not right
To move 1829 kg from 0 to 100 km/t in 3,1 sek you need more than 460hp 700nm. I feel something is off...
Alien technology from Tesla 😉
The BMW i4 M50 (544HP) needs 0-100 in 3.9s
The Kia EV6 GT (585 HP) GT 0-100 3.5s
However, these two cars weigh 400kg more than the Tesla.
So that will be fine with 460HP
The engines were probably never specified in KW, they were always HP at Tesla.
Everyone thought wrong for years.
EV produces full power at any RPM while ice needs to rev and shift. You can't compare hp to hp with ev vs ice
@@larryc1616I agree.
I will find out when I get the car.
@@vandit6521 400kg less would maybe be enough for 460hp to be as fast as the i4 M50i, but 3,1s nearly a quarter faster it has to has much more power than 544hp, even with the lower weight. Take, for example, the last fastest Tesla Model S Performance with 680hp was measured by Motortrend with 2.3s, the Plaid needed 350hp more with 1020 to be only 0.3s faster, so it needed more than 50% more Power for that.
So i think Model 3 needs the 620hp to has a chance of 2.9s 0-60mph, also Tesla is normally calculating in Kw, because that is the universal measurement for electricity power and all electric motors are calculated with that.
If true, an unlock surprise to the low 2's is sooo Elon.
Yup
No sub 11sec on a 1/4 mile.. No 600+ HP.. Simple..
We can hope for the best
I ran a 11.62 on my 2018 M3P per Racebox Mini so I'm pretty sure the new M3P will smoke that.
Best 1/4 I ran on my 2023 M3P (>85% SOC and preconditioned) was 11.38. Best 0 - 60 mph w/rollout was 3.00 flat. Never made a 2.99 :/ Maybe if i put a driver who's 100lbs less than I am will get me that extra 1/100th of a second =D Did a simulation of the same car but ~ 30 more HP and 547 ft lbs of torque. 11.1- 11.2s :P But that was a simulation... we'll see. I"m hoping for 100 - 200 kph in the 6's like the Model S Long Range (not the Plaid lol) which means it won't start the beans after 100 mph but keep pull'n :P
Tesla is quoting “all wheel drive” horsepower at ” the wheels”with the 510…kind of like Bmw does. Tesla’s Hp is measured with drivetrain loss factored in. At the crank that is about 610-620. That is what most car companies such as the Ford Mustang Dark Horse are quoting as 500 hp. I thought you would know this.
EVs don't have drivetrain loss though.
There’s no crank, but I do get your point. There’s probably some power loss between the motor and the tires to the ground, but nothing more than a few HP in an EV
@@TecnamTwin yes they do.. look it up
There's minimal drivetrain loss with EVs. Check how they're constructed. Two cogwheels from motor to wheels. If there was 20% loss on that connection, EVs could never be as energy efficient as they are. Also, on recuperation, energy flows the same way, only in the opposite direction, which would mean another 20% loss. So that's already 36% of energy lost when recuperating, even before charging losses in the battery occur. No way.
@@valuemastery there is going to be drivetrain loss if you have a steering wheel. Everything the electric motors have to go through will contribute to drivetrain loss.. what.. do you think their is just some metal rod coming out of the motor where the loss is none?? Noob.