As gimmicky as it sounds it can be very useful for optimising power between cpu and gpu. Lenovo uses this and it works pretty well , similar to AMD's smartshift
Depend of what type of ai, if it AI enhanced features it is good thing , if it for making AI stuff it is useless, cuz if someone want to make AI they use like server or data center type of computer
I purchased 6 MSI laptops for my company in this price class a coupole years ago. Talking about the Ryzen 4800U era, along with some Intel i7 machines of the same era. Got them for about $900 each, regularly $1300 ish, thanks Costco. They are used as playback devices in live production; think ProPresenter, Powerpoint, Mitti etc. These are always connected to an extended external displays, and one major weak point is the HDMI port. They are not robust at all and have have multiple hardware issues. That said, there are multiple grubby fingers that interface with these machines, but only six or so people. Anyone else has issue with these machines?
Ehhh personally mine's been great for nearly 9 years now, I bought my Dominator all the way back in 2015. My first and probably my only (high end) gaming laptop since I switched to TUF last year, my only problem is the battery that I had to replace since it crapped out after 3 or 4 years. The rest works almost perfectly (although a little bit slower) the last time I boot it up not 6 months ago. It gave me years and years of hardcore gaming and cad works throughout, I'd probably still play on it had the spec can keep up with modern AAA. I did take care of it well repasting every year and dusting every 2 - 3 months thoroughly, now I gave it to my little cousin and to my knowledge he's still having a blast playing some multiplayer titles on it.
I got drunk with power... I have both the 18HX... and the GT77 ... WTF Is wrong with me? ... (MY STEAM LIBRARY said: "NOTHING is wrong, continue Gaming" )
Wonder what the battery life is like, oh and the Stealth 18 looks great, as you can see so much more detail, and its immersive too. Thanks for the video, all the best Joseph
Thanks, as a working professional I would love to see a comparison of the new 14 Gen chips compared to 13 gen chips on the stealth to see if the new ones are much better loading & using apps (CAD, Revu, Excel huge linked spreadsheets...)
the cyborg 14 would have been better with an AMD cpu + 4060/4070 gpu and ports on the back... Sigh, yet another missed opportunity, they did the same with the stealth 14. promise an awesome looking 14" device, then mess something up along the way
@@spike5499 the g14 has a 4070, the msi stealth has a 4070, the xps 13 has a 4070, theres tons of thin & light laptops that have 4070's. thinner and lighter than this msi shown here.
having dealt with similar laptop builds from other vendors over the years, throwing 240w of hardware is going to require a serious vapor chamber setup that I just do not seriously think is going to be there with how thin this machine is. I expect 90c+ thermals, since this is Intel powered also throttling. Also AMD has mobile X3D CPUs that will give Intel's 14th gen mobile a serious run for its money.
The MSI specs seem to indicate the Titan 18 HX can go up to 192GB of 5600 DDR5 RAM. You say 128GB. You show 4 slots for RAM which is understandable that 128GB is limit for 4 slots, but, because MSI says 192GB 5600 DDR5 is available, are there 2 slots for RAM hidden under keyboard? ASUS did that with some models with 2 slots with easy access on very bottom and then 2 RAM slots under keyboard that needed a bit more extra disassembly. Something else you don't tell us is what gen SSD each M.2 spot supports. The GT77 Titan has two gen 4, and one gen 5 bay for M.2 SSD. Does the Titan 18 HX support gen 5 for all of its SSD M.2 bays, or is it like the Titan GT77 with two gen 4 bays and one gen 5 bay? Thank you if you can answer all of these. :)
What I don't like about the idea of AI managing cpu power (regardless of how true it is) is that it invites unpredictable/inconsistent/ unwanted behaviour that could be basically impossible to solve.
Look at AMD Smart shift, as it does the same thing they are trying to do here. Shift/sapping power from the CPU or GPU(or vise versa) is a good theory on paper, but modern Windows operating systems are still not fast enough to compensate for the power shift. Any laptop that sports Smart shift, AI driven power polling, or anything under the hood that is not going to run Linux(official support) I would avoid completely. Unless the feature can be disabled at the BIOS level.
What we actually want from a gaming laptop. This is a PC replacement we do not want gamer style workstations. We have powerful laptops that look good also in the public. Why cant we have an alumium or high qualty plastic laptops without the RBG and massive logos and crazy looking exhuast vents that are highlighted in red with designs. I dont care if my laptop is thick if that means better performance i just dont want those ugly ass fan cutout designs that asus does with the roman numerals looks so childish. We dont want secret hiding messages around the laptop in its design or text. Just a professional looking laptop. Look at the new 2024 Asus Zeph G16 looks great but why make it so thin same thickness would of been perfect with its new design...
No, i9-13980HX and 14900HX are significantly more powerful, especially in multicore workloads. However, Meteor Lake has much better battery life, efficiency, and iGPU performance.
@@aazeenhussainali786 yes, apple silicon has 7% to 15% better battery life than Intel. Intel Core ULTRA 7 155H(without dGPU) is still FASTER than M2 Pro/M3 pro in Davinchi resolve 18 studio video editing while using same energy as Apple. You can do great gaming on Intel ARC XeLPG iGPU.
Npu ? Where are the killer aps ? Why no announced clock speeds for it ? What PC Games use it ?? these chips seem slow, from the i5 to 7 and i9 they all seem the same except tiny clock speed differences....
It would be much better the trackpad area just turn it into a screen like a touch bar that you can customize because it is glass anyways it looks clean and such a waste of space and if you can afford a titan you most likely you have a wireless mouse.
Is that a different screen on the Titan; that does not look like a 4k mini LED display. Maybe it's a TH-cam issue, but the screen looks actually worse than the Stealth laptop's screen.
Thanks, I turn of ALL of the tap features on the trackpad for my work laptops and I don't use a laptop at home. Why do I turn them off? Because hovering my finger over the trackpad causes it to click on things I don't want to click on. I use the click at the bottom corners of the track pads, but I would prefer physical buttons. What happened to physical buttons? Well, the laptop makers decided they cost too much and sold everyone on the idea of getting rid of the buttons so that you could have a bigger track pad. This MSI haptic thing looks super nice but I will never buy one because I would HAVE to use the double tap the track pad to click on things.
"Well, the laptop makers decided they cost too much and sold everyone on the idea of getting rid of the buttons so that you could have a bigger track pad" People prefer bigger trackpads, not everything is a conspiracy theory my guy. And if you click random things just by hovering your hand over your laptop's trackpad... then you have alien ass hands.
@@Bizarny Who said anything about a fucking conspiracy ya f'n ignit. THAT IS HOW BUSINESS WORKS BECAUSE THAT IS HOW BUSINESS SCHOOL TEACHES IT. Cut every cost you can and sell for as high a price as you can. I remember when I was getting my Bachelor's degree in Business Management the Accounting text book said "Most CEO's come from the accounting department because the accounting department understands how every department runs." That is absolutely one of the most conceited and outright false statements I have ever read and it was in the textbook. Corporate accountants only understand the costs of each department. It is far easier to calculate the costs of something than the benefits of something. This is why employee training has been reduced to OJT in most places. The accountants calculate no cost for OJT training but see classroom training as x number of hours of waste labor costs (both OJT and classroom training are necessary because both cover things you won't see in the other training). The accountants know how to calculate the benefits of the classroom training, but the calculation is more complicated so they don't bother. Likewise, this is why companies are so big to have layoffs. The accounting department sees the labor cost of having the employees on payroll but they don't bother with calculating the loss of capability of the business by getting rid of a large number of employees (I've been through multiple layoffs, the people who made the decision never know that the person the are laying off is the only person that knows how to do "x thing"). Likewise the accountants see the track pad buttons as costing say $0.15 per laptop and the know people want bigger trackpads. Rather than create a good solution they have the engineers create a bad workaround and the customer suffers because they are thinking they got a better produce when they actually got a less useful product. Why hasn't anyone put track pad buttons to the left or right of the track pad where they can be pressed with the thumb? This would keep the vertical space of the trackpad and make use of the wasted space to the left and the right of the trackpad.
I understand that MSI paid for this ad, but why are you lying that this laptop is the fastest? You can list the advantages of the laptop, but you don't have to lie and mindlessly repeat MSI claims. I still subscribe to hardwarecanucks just because of Mike's honest reviews&test of coolers
This is more like first impression not full review , he did not even doing benchmarks, how you supposed to know the cons of the device without full review ?
@@mrbobgamingmemes9558 So if there are no benchmarks, why is the laptop called the fastest? And these are not first impressions, just an MSI advertisement (which is mentioned in the description), so they had time to get to know the laptops. But even in sponsored videos you don't have to lie: you can mention obvious advantages (such as materials, low weight, new cooling system, high screen resolution, etc.), but without repeating MSI claims that they have not verified (e.g. that it is the fastest gaming laptop).
@@mk-wz2sh cuz msi titan series supposed to be their fastest laptop atlteast in games not CAD or workstation stuff, i notice a few cons on this video , you will definitely find it if you pay attention
Why would they put a high wattage CPU in a 14 inch laptop that's meant to be portable? Can't see battery life being anything but terrible on that one. Also, if I can be blunt, DAMN, MSI makes some of the ugliest laptops on the market. With the redesigned G14 and G16 and XPSes and Alienwares and HP Omens for 2024 I wouldn't expect MSI to win on any consumer's first impressions
Using “AI” to market gaming laptops is so cringey and honestly makes me not want to buy the device
Well at least you'll know that the CPU won't be a battery hog.
Depends on the meaning. "Enhanced performance through AI" is fine, "made for AI generation" is cringe.
Were you going to buy it in the first place tho?
jk, I agree.
As gimmicky as it sounds it can be very useful for optimising power between cpu and gpu. Lenovo uses this and it works pretty well , similar to AMD's smartshift
Depend of what type of ai, if it AI enhanced features it is good thing , if it for making AI stuff it is useless, cuz if someone want to make AI they use like server or data center type of computer
It was going all so well, until $9K AUD is the asking price 😂
Can't help but think that a completely see thru grey plastic body would have been pretty cool for the cyborg with standard white back lighting.
I purchased 6 MSI laptops for my company in this price class a coupole years ago. Talking about the Ryzen 4800U era, along with some Intel i7 machines of the same era. Got them for about $900 each, regularly $1300 ish, thanks Costco. They are used as playback devices in live production; think ProPresenter, Powerpoint, Mitti etc. These are always connected to an extended external displays, and one major weak point is the HDMI port. They are not robust at all and have have multiple hardware issues. That said, there are multiple grubby fingers that interface with these machines, but only six or so people. Anyone else has issue with these machines?
Msi laptops are terrible quality even their 5000 laptops have cut corners not surprised yours do too.
Ehhh personally mine's been great for nearly 9 years now, I bought my Dominator all the way back in 2015. My first and probably my only (high end) gaming laptop since I switched to TUF last year, my only problem is the battery that I had to replace since it crapped out after 3 or 4 years. The rest works almost perfectly (although a little bit slower) the last time I boot it up not 6 months ago. It gave me years and years of hardcore gaming and cad works throughout, I'd probably still play on it had the spec can keep up with modern AAA. I did take care of it well repasting every year and dusting every 2 - 3 months thoroughly, now I gave it to my little cousin and to my knowledge he's still having a blast playing some multiplayer titles on it.
$6,000 USD is a pretty decent hidden suprise...
It ain't 6k bud
My Legion 7i Pro from last year is still relevant this year, nice 🔥
The Goat of laptop reviews ! Well done. Proper good job m8. Love ur vids.
Going for the Titan.
I got drunk with power... I have both the 18HX... and the GT77 ... WTF Is wrong with me? ... (MY STEAM LIBRARY said: "NOTHING is wrong, continue Gaming" )
3:16 I legit thought you were gonna say "...and glass breaks."
Wonder what the battery life is like, oh and the Stealth 18 looks great, as you can see so much more detail, and its immersive too. Thanks for the video, all the best Joseph
You Don't buy a titan for battery life. It's a portable desktop replacement.
Thanks, as a working professional I would love to see a comparison of the new 14 Gen chips compared to 13 gen chips on the stealth to see if the new ones are much better loading & using apps (CAD, Revu, Excel huge linked spreadsheets...)
the cyborg 14 would have been better with an AMD cpu + 4060/4070 gpu and ports on the back...
Sigh, yet another missed opportunity, they did the same with the stealth 14.
promise an awesome looking 14" device, then mess something up along the way
those specs cooled with one fan?
dude it's a thin and light budget gaming laptop lmao it's not gonna have a 4070
@@spike5499 the g14 has a 4070, the msi stealth has a 4070, the xps 13 has a 4070, theres tons of thin & light laptops that have 4070's. thinner and lighter than this msi shown here.
@@Thewickedjon I think you missed the word "budget" in my sentence
having dealt with similar laptop builds from other vendors over the years, throwing 240w of hardware is going to require a serious vapor chamber setup that I just do not seriously think is going to be there with how thin this machine is. I expect 90c+ thermals, since this is Intel powered also throttling. Also AMD has mobile X3D CPUs that will give Intel's 14th gen mobile a serious run for its money.
Hello, thank you for the video. Which parts of the laptop are made of metal? What do you think: Intel Ultra 9 185H or i9 14900HX?
The MSI specs seem to indicate the Titan 18 HX can go up to 192GB of 5600 DDR5 RAM. You say 128GB. You show 4 slots for RAM which is understandable that 128GB is limit for 4 slots, but, because MSI says 192GB 5600 DDR5 is available, are there 2 slots for RAM hidden under keyboard? ASUS did that with some models with 2 slots with easy access on very bottom and then 2 RAM slots under keyboard that needed a bit more extra disassembly.
Something else you don't tell us is what gen SSD each M.2 spot supports. The GT77 Titan has two gen 4, and one gen 5 bay for M.2 SSD.
Does the Titan 18 HX support gen 5 for all of its SSD M.2 bays, or is it like the Titan GT77 with two gen 4 bays and one gen 5 bay?
Thank you if you can answer all of these. :)
Base config is 128GB but you can use 48GB sticks to get 192GB RAM total. There are 4 DDR5 slots. 1 gen5, 2 gen4 M.2 slots.
What I don't like about the idea of AI managing cpu power (regardless of how true it is) is that it invites unpredictable/inconsistent/ unwanted behaviour that could be basically impossible to solve.
Look at AMD Smart shift, as it does the same thing they are trying to do here. Shift/sapping power from the CPU or GPU(or vise versa) is a good theory on paper, but modern Windows operating systems are still not fast enough to compensate for the power shift. Any laptop that sports Smart shift, AI driven power polling, or anything under the hood that is not going to run Linux(official support) I would avoid completely. Unless the feature can be disabled at the BIOS level.
When I hear glass i hear "glass is glass and glass breaks"
Again the power cord from the brick to the laptop is too short. I have this one and the 17 inch.
i hope the hinges and the camera got better on the new MSI. 🤔
What we actually want from a gaming laptop.
This is a PC replacement we do not want gamer style workstations. We have powerful laptops that look good also in the public.
Why cant we have an alumium or high qualty plastic laptops without the RBG and massive logos and crazy looking exhuast vents that are highlighted in red with designs.
I dont care if my laptop is thick if that means better performance i just dont want those ugly ass fan cutout designs that asus does with the roman numerals looks so childish.
We dont want secret hiding messages around the laptop in its design or text. Just a professional looking laptop.
Look at the new 2024 Asus Zeph G16 looks great but why make it so thin same thickness would of been perfect with its new design...
is Meteor lake CPUs faster than those older i9s? I like the battery life of Meteor Lake but if power is less powerful then..
Not much 19800Hx is still BeaST New 14900Hx is just little bit faster
No, i9-13980HX and 14900HX are significantly more powerful, especially in multicore workloads. However, Meteor Lake has much better battery life, efficiency, and iGPU performance.
Windows Desktop with MacBooks are the best combo change my mind
Windows desktops with Windows laptops without dGPU is the best combination thanks to efficiency of Intel Core ULTRA series 1.
@@HDRPC but Apple silicon is still better
@@aazeenhussainali786 yes, apple silicon has 7% to 15% better battery life than Intel.
Intel Core ULTRA 7 155H(without dGPU) is still FASTER than M2 Pro/M3 pro in Davinchi resolve 18 studio video editing while using same energy as Apple.
You can do great gaming on Intel ARC XeLPG iGPU.
That unfortunately doesn't exist. Also, good luck trying to repair your own device!
10:00 "entry level gaming laptop" and the title is the fastest gaming laptop
TITAN 18 HX?
I have a question, what happened to the MSI raider series, it wasn't mentioned in on CES.
It's "pretty brilliant" they put in more vents?
That word means what you think it means
Npu ?
Where are the killer aps ? Why no announced clock speeds for it ? What PC Games use it ?? these chips seem slow, from the i5 to 7 and i9 they all seem the same except tiny clock speed differences....
Does the Titan come with Thunderbolt 4 or 5? I read other coverage of CES that indicated Thunderbolt 5.
Has anyone told you that you should, as a side gig, help in the creation of audiobooks with your voice?! Seriously, do it!
Can you guys make, the best small form factor creative laptop video?
It would be much better the trackpad area just turn it into a screen like a touch bar that you can customize because it is glass anyways it looks clean and such a waste of space and if you can afford a titan you most likely you have a wireless mouse.
I don't see how this is worth $2000 more than Alienware M18 or Asus G18 with almost same specs.
Is that a different screen on the Titan; that does not look like a 4k mini LED display. Maybe it's a TH-cam issue, but the screen looks actually worse than the Stealth laptop's screen.
Watching on same laptop.
At this price, I rather build my own desktop than buy a gaming laptop!
Thanks, I turn of ALL of the tap features on the trackpad for my work laptops and I don't use a laptop at home. Why do I turn them off? Because hovering my finger over the trackpad causes it to click on things I don't want to click on. I use the click at the bottom corners of the track pads, but I would prefer physical buttons. What happened to physical buttons? Well, the laptop makers decided they cost too much and sold everyone on the idea of getting rid of the buttons so that you could have a bigger track pad. This MSI haptic thing looks super nice but I will never buy one because I would HAVE to use the double tap the track pad to click on things.
"Well, the laptop makers decided they cost too much and sold everyone on the idea of getting rid of the buttons so that you could have a bigger track pad"
People prefer bigger trackpads, not everything is a conspiracy theory my guy.
And if you click random things just by hovering your hand over your laptop's trackpad... then you have alien ass hands.
@@Bizarny Who said anything about a fucking conspiracy ya f'n ignit.
THAT IS HOW BUSINESS WORKS BECAUSE THAT IS HOW BUSINESS SCHOOL TEACHES IT. Cut every cost you can and sell for as high a price as you can.
I remember when I was getting my Bachelor's degree in Business Management the Accounting text book said "Most CEO's come from the accounting department because the accounting department understands how every department runs." That is absolutely one of the most conceited and outright false statements I have ever read and it was in the textbook. Corporate accountants only understand the costs of each department. It is far easier to calculate the costs of something than the benefits of something. This is why employee training has been reduced to OJT in most places. The accountants calculate no cost for OJT training but see classroom training as x number of hours of waste labor costs (both OJT and classroom training are necessary because both cover things you won't see in the other training). The accountants know how to calculate the benefits of the classroom training, but the calculation is more complicated so they don't bother. Likewise, this is why companies are so big to have layoffs. The accounting department sees the labor cost of having the employees on payroll but they don't bother with calculating the loss of capability of the business by getting rid of a large number of employees (I've been through multiple layoffs, the people who made the decision never know that the person the are laying off is the only person that knows how to do "x thing"). Likewise the accountants see the track pad buttons as costing say $0.15 per laptop and the know people want bigger trackpads. Rather than create a good solution they have the engineers create a bad workaround and the customer suffers because they are thinking they got a better produce when they actually got a less useful product. Why hasn't anyone put track pad buttons to the left or right of the track pad where they can be pressed with the thumb? This would keep the vertical space of the trackpad and make use of the wasted space to the left and the right of the trackpad.
Stealth..hands down,,,second choice are the ones with the AI chip
doet it have g-sync support & advanced optimus ?
Yeah thats a no! for me for 5k u can get a really top end future proof at least for 7 to 10 year rig
i so wish this had a 1440p 2k display. stupid putting 4k on a laptop machine for gaming,
I understand that MSI paid for this ad, but why are you lying that this laptop is the fastest? You can list the advantages of the laptop, but you don't have to lie and mindlessly repeat MSI claims.
I still subscribe to hardwarecanucks just because of Mike's honest reviews&test of coolers
This is more like first impression not full review , he did not even doing benchmarks, how you supposed to know the cons of the device without full review ?
@@mrbobgamingmemes9558 So if there are no benchmarks, why is the laptop called the fastest? And these are not first impressions, just an MSI advertisement (which is mentioned in the description), so they had time to get to know the laptops. But even in sponsored videos you don't have to lie: you can mention obvious advantages (such as materials, low weight, new cooling system, high screen resolution, etc.), but without repeating MSI claims that they have not verified (e.g. that it is the fastest gaming laptop).
@@mk-wz2sh cuz msi titan series supposed to be their fastest laptop atlteast in games not CAD or workstation stuff, i notice a few cons on this video , you will definitely find it if you pay attention
Too much bass in your voice, please make it correct.
The price. Lol.
Best laptop is Asus Zephyrus G16/G14 and M3 Max.
The rest are bad.
Agreed
18 inch laptop. Small right shift key. Ridiculous. That's all I have to say.
5-5.5k
Me: 👍
This laptop looks like something straight out of 2014 or before. Not a good looking laptop.
No more IKEA?😂
What’s wrong with IKEA?
Why would they put a high wattage CPU in a 14 inch laptop that's meant to be portable? Can't see battery life being anything but terrible on that one. Also, if I can be blunt, DAMN, MSI makes some of the ugliest laptops on the market. With the redesigned G14 and G16 and XPSes and Alienwares and HP Omens for 2024 I wouldn't expect MSI to win on any consumer's first impressions
MacBook meat gobbler
Smartest youtube commenter 😭😭
I can't be bothered watching a 14-minute advertisement of a 99% iterative laptop.
Can someone just tell me what the “hidden surprise” is?
The touchpad is like the 2024 Dell XPS laptops; it's haptic but at least lights up unlike the Dells.
@@cameronbosch1213 Ah I see. Indeed not worth 14 minutes. Thanks!
Wow 30 seconds ago?
No one cares