rolling shutter exists even in slow pans. I cannot stress how much rolling shutter happens here but this setup is for tripod or the steadiest hands only. You really have to need raw and in addition have a super low budget to accept the cons of this setup. A low cost 2K raw cinema camera is probably a better option for most of us
Have you tried out other modes of RAW? I have messed around with this machine for a year now, and the rolling shutter is better with 2.8K and 2.5K modes. good enough for handheld pans. For 5K, just forget about it and get a gimbal or tripod.
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While true, sometimes limitations are in place for product stability, the a5000 overheats recording at 1080p for instance, so whether manufactures do this for the stability and satisfaction of their product or just to justify a price bracket may be unknown
It's only really 1080p 12bit, you're just getting the maximum the sensor can put out. It's cool for a B cam but you'd still be better off with a Panasonic µ43 camera that can actually record 4K. The image quality and ISO latitude is roughly the same, but it's actual 4K. (or just use the camera in your pocket such as an iPhone 12 and up with a Beast Cage... Although you will have a lot more mush due to the small sensor size.
@X D Old doesn't mean bad. The creators of magic lantern may or may not be able to squeeze a little more performance out of this machine. And by software fix, you could record at 20 and speed it up for shots without human walking by. I do this all the time with empty scene panning shots to make it look smoother
Would be nice to have support of magic lantern on canon 200d. The potential of sensor and processor itself is not used to the fullest. If done right it should be a bargain of the year.
Only thing is that its really difficult to implement, and almost impossible on newer cameras. The 100d is supposed to get full ML support so its not a complete stretch to expect the 200d to get it some time in the future. But i would not expect anything in the next couple of years.
Thanks for sharing those details. I made some calculations because I was curious to what is advertised as 5K. In fact the final video is not a 5k but a 1440x1810pixels= 2,6 Mega pixels video which is streched (upscalled) to 5k. Still contrains only 2,6Mpixels. A 5k video should normally contain 5120 × 2880 that equals around 14,7 mega pixels. Still the video you get from eos m with ML is a bit better in resolution than 1080 which contains only 1080x1920= 2 mega pixels. (And as someone said on a comment I believe that Topaz Enhance AI would do a better job in upscaling a 1080 video and you would not have to go over this trouble). Very good effort though! Congrats!
Thanks for the insight, the most useful advice here including the video itself. So basically I can go for the 1080 setting, record raw (for all the benefits plus Canon colors) then uprez the clip to 4k in topaz? What format should I export to be suitable for topaz? Should I go through the entire process of color grading etc in 1080 and uprez after or render out the final movie in resolve then uprez that? What gives the best quality? Thanks
You don't stretch anamorphic, you squeeze it.. you don't gain magiz new pixels. They are just reading all the vertical pixels, and only part of the horizontal so they can read the sensor out faster... so its not 5k in any way.
I think the maths you meant is that one pixel gets used three times in the 5k aquivalent later. For example if I choose on purpose 16:9 aspect ratio than my resolution is 1280x2180 but 1280*3=3840 which is the resolution which comes out in the end. I have also read that basically the 5k ana mode reads out more of the sensor itself than in the 2.5k/2.8k mode thus it should handle low light even just a bit better which at least would make totally sense to me combined with the higher fov/less crop I tend to go for the 5k anamorphic mode only with regular lenses. If you start to use an external monitor you cant use the low framerate overview of the 2.8k mode anymore. 2.5k mode is nice for c-mount lenses for example so you dont see any of the vignetting :) but otherwise I stay away from it
your video has a very soft look also the video captured by the eos is in some parts soft meaning less sharpness is this a luts you added or is this the look you get without any added stuff. Great content new sub!
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How is your EOS M doing? I heard shooting RAW is very hard on the internals and they have a tendency to die, have you found that you needed to replace the camera yet?
I have a 70D, and a 5D2. Haven't shot a lot of video on them, I'm a portrait photographer. :D But I did some video on the 7D (God I miss that camera) and a 6D. 1080/24 it turned out nice.
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it says 5k but it dont look 5k at all. everything looks soo mushy. the colours looks nice but it resolution looks worst than 1080p idk if it's the youtube compression or what.
It isn't just about megapixels. What about dynamic range, color rendering, low light capabilities, noise...? It's a 10 year old sensor. I have a sony NEX-6 from the same era when Sony was said to have the best sensors, and compared to my friend's A7 III it's a piece of crap when it comes to RAW image quality.
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Hello, I got for my EOS M different resolutions: 1736 x 2928 flv 14 fps, 1360 x 1976 frtp 25P and 1735 x 2928 - 14P. Why all these differences. Is it the build. I use Danne build 30 May 2022. Can somebody explain? Thanks anyway for your clip.
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Thanks, a lot for these videos you literally opened my eyes to a whole new world of possibility, I just have one question concerning fps, do you get higher fps at HD, and what are the fps capabilities after installing these software from how many to how many?
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@@birianination7097 I love the EOS M with Magic Lantern as a learning tool, which is how I used it, but I would not try to use it in any production scenario... it's just too unreliable and cumbersome in my opinion. A 64gb card fills up in about 12 minutes on average and the data conversion using the MLV app can take a long time, particularly if you transcode into something more manageable like Prores.
@@TheCruisinCrew @FoxTailWhipz how do you dabete this, does it take long to work with the file on the new m1 chip plus can we use large cards like 250 or 500gb cards.
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I don’t know how you got my ex girlfriend in your shot… But,ok. I can’t believe my old church is a brewing company now. I wanted to open a music venue there.
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@@TrailerHomeVideo Jon Lorentz is just a hired spokes person. Canon documentation explicitly notes EOS as E O S with separate syllables. US marketing is a crapshoot anyway. Same thing happened to Nikon where a bunch of uncultured Americans including the US branch Corp pronounces it as Naikon when it's meant to be Neekon.
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rolling shutter exists even in slow pans. I cannot stress how much rolling shutter happens here but this setup is for tripod or the steadiest hands only. You really have to need raw and in addition have a super low budget to accept the cons of this setup. A low cost 2K raw cinema camera is probably a better option for most of us
"2K raw cinema " such as? thx
@@fishwomanyvr well the Black Magic Pocket Camera 4k can do both 4k raw or 2k raw for less than 1000 $ new or you can get a used one for 600$.
Couldn't agree more with this
Have you tried out other modes of RAW? I have messed around with this machine for a year now, and the rolling shutter is better with 2.8K and 2.5K modes. good enough for handheld pans. For 5K, just forget about it and get a gimbal or tripod.
hi, friend,. I'm desperate to find a magic lantern for my M6 MARK II do you know where I can get the software for my camera for the M6 MARKII?
Actually, most cameras limitations are caused by software not hardware, shame
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While true, sometimes limitations are in place for product stability, the a5000 overheats recording at 1080p for instance, so whether manufactures do this for the stability and satisfaction of their product or just to justify a price bracket may be unknown
Can someone tell me how long can i film with the EOS M in 4k RAW??
I appreciate any information
@@fgc1850as long as your storage gets full. Its uncompressed raw so it takes huge amount of storat
It's only really 1080p 12bit, you're just getting the maximum the sensor can put out. It's cool for a B cam but you'd still be better off with a Panasonic µ43 camera that can actually record 4K. The image quality and ISO latitude is roughly the same, but it's actual 4K. (or just use the camera in your pocket such as an iPhone 12 and up with a Beast Cage... Although you will have a lot more mush due to the small sensor size.
but those panasonic m4/3 cameras cost at least twice the price of this one...
I bought this camera in 2013. I like the stills from it, even now.
I think the 20 fps thing might be fixed with software. I don't think is a big issue at the end. Good to know about this
Shoot my first practice commercial with EOSM ML: th-cam.com/video/4RJ36lr27qc/w-d-xo.html
It's not capable of doing more then that
@X D My stupid 2 cents?
@X D He probably meant temporal AI upscaling
@X D Old doesn't mean bad. The creators of magic lantern may or may not be able to squeeze a little more performance out of this machine. And by software fix, you could record at 20 and speed it up for shots without human walking by. I do this all the time with empty scene panning shots to make it look smoother
Would be nice to have support of magic lantern on canon 200d. The potential of sensor and processor itself is not used to the fullest. If done right it should be a bargain of the year.
Only thing is that its really difficult to implement, and almost impossible on newer cameras. The 100d is supposed to get full ML support so its not a complete stretch to expect the 200d to get it some time in the future. But i would not expect anything in the next couple of years.
@@SenoGaming Do you know how this would compare to a 600d?
@@popotade4621 The EOS M is better i think. The 650D is much closer to the EOS M or maybe even the same.
Thanks for sharing those details. I made some calculations because I was curious to what is advertised as 5K. In fact the final video is not a 5k but a 1440x1810pixels= 2,6 Mega pixels video which is streched (upscalled) to 5k. Still contrains only 2,6Mpixels. A 5k video should normally contain 5120 × 2880 that equals around 14,7 mega pixels. Still the video you get from eos m with ML is a bit better in resolution than 1080 which contains only 1080x1920= 2 mega pixels.
(And as someone said on a comment I believe that Topaz Enhance AI would do a better job in upscaling a 1080 video and you would not have to go over this trouble).
Very good effort though! Congrats!
Thanks for the insight, the most useful advice here including the video itself. So basically I can go for the 1080 setting, record raw (for all the benefits plus Canon colors) then uprez the clip to 4k in topaz?
What format should I export to be suitable for topaz?
Should I go through the entire process of color grading etc in 1080 and uprez after or render out the final movie in resolve then uprez that?
What gives the best quality?
Thanks
You don't stretch anamorphic, you squeeze it.. you don't gain magiz new pixels. They are just reading all the vertical pixels, and only part of the horizontal so they can read the sensor out faster... so its not 5k in any way.
he said that himself in the video
Do you have a promise filter on your lens? Your talking bits seem really cloudy.
Awesome video. Question. Can you do 4k and 24/60 ?
I think the maths you meant is that one pixel gets used three times in the 5k aquivalent later. For example if I choose on purpose 16:9 aspect ratio than my resolution is 1280x2180 but 1280*3=3840 which is the resolution which comes out in the end.
I have also read that basically the 5k ana mode reads out more of the sensor itself than in the 2.5k/2.8k mode thus it should handle low light even just a bit better which at least would make totally sense to me combined with the higher fov/less crop I tend to go for the 5k anamorphic mode only with regular lenses. If you start to use an external monitor you cant use the low framerate overview of the 2.8k mode anymore. 2.5k mode is nice for c-mount lenses for example so you dont see any of the vignetting :) but otherwise I stay away from it
your video has a very soft look also the video captured by the eos is in some parts soft meaning less sharpness is this a luts you added or is this the look you get without any added stuff. Great content new sub!
I used a Mist filter in the part of the video with me in it, and for the EOS M footage I recorded it with vintage lenses which have a softer look!
Honestly I prefer the softer look. It's more cinematic looking to me instead of it being super clinical kind of sharp. It's sharp enough imo.
You don't need mist filter for 5kFRPT- that mode removes muare. Use this filter just for 1080p.
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How is your EOS M doing? I heard shooting RAW is very hard on the internals and they have a tendency to die, have you found that you needed to replace the camera yet?
Where are you getting that the Canon EOS M is $200???? Please do provide a link backing up where you can purchase it for that price.
There are some on MPB.com for just over $200 right now, it looks like they have rising in price over the past few months though.
Thanks! What do you think Canon EOS M and Canon EOS 700d/100d same video quality?
I have a 70D, and a 5D2. Haven't shot a lot of video on them, I'm a portrait photographer. :D But I did some video on the 7D (God I miss that camera) and a 6D. 1080/24 it turned out nice.
What software is used to To squeeze the footage!
does it look soft?
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What small rig cage is that? It looks more universal than something built for this camera directly.
Can you preview anamorphic on the camera?
There is an anamorphic option in the magic lantern settings
Can you use this to stream ? I might like it better than a Logitech
What Magic Lantern build are you using?
if i wanna take action of fast moving shot which resolution is the best for that?
Is this just for the Eos M Or does it work on the Eos M3?
it says 5k but it dont look 5k at all. everything looks soo mushy. the colours looks nice but it resolution looks worst than 1080p idk if it's the youtube compression or what.
Trying now to look stupid but where do you locate a $200 canon eos m?
I bought mine from eBay, but you can also check keh.com and mpb.com
What lens are you using ?
can this setup be used for twitch streaming?
the highest is 2.8k 12 bit. which is pretty good for 150 dollars. but can't do 5k. if your on a budget get this but if not get a sigma fp.
I heard bad things about sigma fp I think there is better options in that price range
@@blopp6240 I like the form factor. there is nothing that small I think.
Hi foxtail
I don’t have 5k option on my eosm any help
Nice video 🔥
this video looks blurred. is the camera lens dirty ?
What’s the longest you can record continuously with ML?
What the model of camera is it?
It isn't just about megapixels. What about dynamic range, color rendering, low light capabilities, noise...? It's a 10 year old sensor. I have a sony NEX-6 from the same era when Sony was said to have the best sensors, and compared to my friend's A7 III it's a piece of crap when it comes to RAW image quality.
I have an EOS-M....just waiting for a bigger SD card to arrive. :)
Why go through all this trouble?
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Where can Buy it ?
That squirrel was twerking!
Hello, I got for my EOS M different resolutions: 1736 x 2928 flv 14 fps, 1360 x 1976 frtp 25P and 1735 x 2928 - 14P. Why all these differences. Is it the build. I use Danne build 30 May 2022. Can somebody explain? Thanks anyway for your clip.
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Where did you find this camera for $200? Asking for a friend.
I do haveit for sale
I bought mine on eBay :)
Thanks, a lot for these videos you literally opened my eyes to a whole new world of possibility, I just have one question concerning fps, do you get higher fps at HD, and what are the fps capabilities after installing these software from how many to how many?
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great work , going into the unknown for us. new sub
What settings for instagram reel?
30fps
why no info about ur sd card?
:08 there's dust on your sensor. Throw the whole video away and start over.
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100th like and a content worth it!! Actually worth more 😉😉
high quality with that kind of rolling shutter? sure, on what planet?
M100?
someone should really port MagicLantern to the R10. That would be a gamechanger..
price actually went up a lot 😂
Canon cripple hammer at its best
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Glad you shared this can it work on the eosm50
Nope sadly the m50 isn’t supported with Magic Lantern
@@FoxTailWhipz 😭 Thanks for sharing 💚🇳🇬
What is ‘this camera’?
You can find the name of this camera in "desription"🤦♂️
Sorry, did you say i can shoot without time limit.
Yes with a fast enough SD card it can record essentially until the SD card fills up or battery dies.
@@FoxTailWhipz please talk more about this. Cause i wish to use it on shooting a feature film on raw mode but i need to know if is possible
@@birianination7097 I love the EOS M with Magic Lantern as a learning tool, which is how I used it, but I would not try to use it in any production scenario... it's just too unreliable and cumbersome in my opinion. A 64gb card fills up in about 12 minutes on average and the data conversion using the MLV app can take a long time, particularly if you transcode into something more manageable like Prores.
@@TheCruisinCrew @FoxTailWhipz how do you dabete this, does it take long to work with the file on the new m1 chip plus can we use large cards like 250 or 500gb cards.
@@TheCruisinCrew plus nice van content you have in your channel hope to view more.
Is your video intentionally so soft like through a mist filter?
@X D ? I mean the main floating head. Or does he have two of the same camera?
amazing!!
*EVERY MOVIE FOOTAGE FROM THIS CAMERA APPEARS TO BE BROWN-CENTRIC, AND VERY LITTLE DEPTH... ALSO HAS A HAZY QUALITY, LIKE I NEED TO PUT EYEDROPS IN*
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I think your ProMist filter is too high
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technically 20 fps would look less stuttery on a 60 hz screen than 24fps
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I want it
Will it except v60 card? Thank you
I don’t know how you got my ex girlfriend in your shot… But,ok. I can’t believe my old church is a brewing company now. I wanted to open a music venue there.
Haha no way ! I have this camera sitting in a drawer
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This is not a $200 camera anymore either lol
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No one mentioned this but that squirrel is sick and will probably die soon 😢
Why?
@@TheMash84 didnt you see the shaking?
better buy Blackmagic 4k and no more waste time, terrible canon moire, low dynamic range and lot of time spending to create 10-20 sec. video clips...
better buy an Arri Alexa with a decent lens set and some lights.
Please i want It 😁
U should’ve used for ur talking shots lol looks like u recorded it in a go pro hero 4 😂
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mmm... kinda irked at how E O S is pronounced. It's an acronym. Individual letters not Eos.
check how Canon US corp pronounces it by checking this : Introducing the Canon EOS R100 🤫
@@TrailerHomeVideo Jon Lorentz is just a hired spokes person. Canon documentation explicitly notes EOS as E O S with separate syllables. US marketing is a crapshoot anyway. Same thing happened to Nikon where a bunch of uncultured Americans including the US branch Corp pronounces it as Naikon when it's meant to be Neekon.
@@mxrclxst I am sure you pronounce Rolleiflex, Orwo and Arri correctly...Hasselblad not so sure. 🤔
@@groundglass4929 Considering I own the bookends of that list, I would hope so.
Yea Giveaway! I am joking but great video.
How is this 200$
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Y’all know damn well that shit not 200$
It's not 5k
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Can you send it to a loyal subscriber?.
quality of canon eos m is very bad . everything have pastorized feeling to it
Throw the whole camera and software away and carry on