If you are a NFC East head coach in the hot seat and you're playing Washington in the final week, please just call a normal gameplan. (Mike McCarthy, are you paying attention?)
Short answer: depends on the organization. Sometimes you have HCs fired for no good reason and other times, you have HCs that ought to be fired but aren't.
Coach is a weird thing. Guys like Hugh Jackson can still coach after 0-16 and still gets to coach half a season while Marty Schottenheimer takes them to the playoffs at 14-2 and gets canned.
You could tell Fields was not meant for Nagy’s offense. Why make an offense for a pocket passer for the likes of Dalton when you have a quarterback similar to Lamar Jackson
I'd rather not draft any quarterbacks like Jackson ever simply because their durability sucks and are usually one trick ponies when it comes to running.
Great analysis, and thanks for not giving a lazy reason as to Flores' firing. By no means is the rest of the organization free from their own problems, but the situation with Flores was much more complicated than a lot of people are making it out to be.
I was fully expecting him to say “Flores did nothing wrong”. He was an ass, and was power hungry. I mean you don’t tell your starter that, we shouldn’t have drafted you. Especially, when you’re 1-7 with Tua playing a reduced role to start the season. Then you get to the fact that he has the same record as Adam Gase.
@@mattyaboi1653 Not to mention his record against a major opponent. I get growing pains and all that, but he finished his career in Miami winless against Buffalo. As a Bills fan myself, I was happy to have two penciled in wins a season, but if I were in the Dolphins front office I'd have considered letting him go for that, atop his increasingly toxic leadership. You just can't go winless against a division rival and NOT be on the hot seat.
You forgot to mention the power struggle in San Francisco. During the early 2010s, John Harbaugh kept the 49ers in contention for a Super Bowl. Yet an ongoing conflict between Harbaugh, owner Jed York, and former GM Trent Balkke led to John being ousted. Before that, John took the 49ers to three NFC Conference Championship games and a Super Bowl appearance.
Obvious reasons: lack of success, lack of communication skills, failure to adjust to evolving playbooks, being a general douche with no respect Not always obvious: office politics and power struggles in team organization, either when a team needs a scapegoat (ahem, Eagles) or if a star player demands someone gets let go Baffling reasons: ego, power tripping (may or may not overlap with office politics), chasing trends without any knowledge or plan
I.e. Mike Zimmer. He was guilty of a lot of these sins, plus had built a somewhat toxic environment (which shoulda been brought up as a factor especially in light of Urban Meyer, imo). Unlike other coaches who lost a power struggle though, Zimmer managed to drag Rick Spielman down with him.
"The firing of Brian Flores (...) has forced the league into a reckoning over the failure of the Rooney rule" No, it apparently made the NFL media scene to pick up the topic and chew on it for a couple of weeks - with the league knowing full well that it would die down eventually without any kind of real change, when the next Big Topic comes up... and Flores would be out of the league. Nothing changes in the NFL unless it is good for the owners.
Unless someone actively presses on the league, which is what I hope happens in the case of the Washington Commanders. The league wants this under the rug real bad and act like nothing bad happened. The truth of those emails and everything needs to see the light of day.
Hey man big fan of your vids, but just a small note. There is a rumor going around that Flores wanted Herbert over Tua. As far as I understand (being a life long Phins fan) this is not true. If they could have traded up and gotten Joey B they would have, but barring that long shot Tua was the man. GM Chris Grier was at the very least not going to pick a QB without consulting Flores, but more likely just straight up went with whoever Flores wanted. There is a lot of hindsight on Justin Herbert but at the time of the draft Tua was considered by EVERYONE to be the clear pick. Herbert didn't have the prettiest tape (from my understanding, I'm far from an expert) and was seen as more of a project. Nobody saw his crazy rookie season coming. Due to his and Joey B's success Tua has been under a microscope and unfortunately will likely be considered a bust because he has 5 turnstiles for an O Line. I like Tua but at this point I really wonder if we haven't broken him : /
Chuck Noll didn’t record a winning season with the Steelers until his 4th year on the job. He didn’t win a Super Bowl until his sixth year. He held the job for 23 years. Bill Belichick had a 5-13 record with the Pats before winning his first Super Bowl. Bill Walsh won 8 games in his first two years on the job. Tony Dungy was fired in Tampa, then lost his first playoff game with the Colts 41-0, and didn’t get a Super Bowl as a coach until his 11th year (6th as the Colts head coach). Moral of the story: Sometimes patience and faith in the coach pay off in the long run.
@@m.robert123 Yeah but Noll had some pretty damn good excuses. Such as one of his first round picks literally dying after a promising start to his career.
This is true, and it can be more of an ownership/upper management problem rather than the coach, as the Schottenheimer example showed. People good at their jobs can't properly flourish if they're in a toxic environment. Bellichick's first HC gig was with the Browns, where he was fired. Would he have had success had he been able to stay? Maybe, but the Browns are a badly run team.
@@darealconman And I don't know why. Brian Flores is a good coach who would help the Raiders defense establish a strong foundation. While Josh McDaniels was bad with the Broncos, and bounced on the Colts immediately after getting the job.
Hell no. I don't want Flores. Dude isn't good with the locker room and is suing the damn NFL cause he's salty. People judging McDaniels based on his first and only HC job from over a decade ago are slow. Right now, the Raiders are building one of the best staffs in the league and Flores doesn't belong. Especially because we wouldn't have gotten these other great pieces if McDaniels wasn't here.
It’s when front offices get desperate look at how many coaches the browns have had since they’ve come back it’s because since day 1 they’ve been desperate to prove they can succeed and as a result they never give coaches time to build their team or bounce back from a bad season
Reason number infinity as to why I never, ever trust the Browns, even if they happen to look good on occasion. I don't ever want to hear about how it's "their time" again.
Ok hear me out, there is one guy that is a bit of an outlier here, and really probably should have kept his job, and he was absolutely shafted by the team because he had a terrible offensive coordinator, bad ownership, and a team unwilling to spend on big name talent, even though they had multiple pro bowl players on both sides of the ball, a hall of famer, a couple future hall of famers, and rookies who were promising as all hell at the time. Jim Caldwell. The man was screwed out of a job, and everyone who doesn't have the last name Ford wishes he woulda got an extra year or two to see what he could do.
Rule #1 for any senior exec is to get along with your boss. From what I understand , Flores didn’t make that effort. I’ve dealt with Ross in several non-football contexts over the years and found him to be a decent guy, demanding when he had the upper hand, and solicitous when he needed something. It’s not easy for a football coach, an expert in a demanding sport, to be respectful to an owner who is not an expert, though he may think so. Still that’s what the job entails. You don’t like it? Get another $MM salaried job.
If Flores is telling the truth the owner demanded he break league tampering rules and also break actual laws by deliberately losing. Like at some point "respecting the boss" just makes you a bootlicker and a fall guy
I strongly disagree-if they hired you, especially for such an important position, you have every right to demand some autonomy and input concerning decision-making
We live in a world where executives run companies into the ground yet they get golden parachutes. And then another cushy exec job awaits them. Ross has a history of horrible teams under his ownership. Flores had proven that he could take one of the worst rosters in the NFL (the 2019 squad) and get some wins out of them. I hope Flores utterly embarrasses the NFL owners with this lawsuit.
Completely wrong analysis on Matt Nagy. It wasnt the playcalling. It was his inability to change his scheme for his players. He always schemed for the players he WANTED, not the players he HAD.
Kinda the same thing, but different words what FivePoints said. But Matt Nagy also failed developing Justin Fields for his rookie similar. Not as worse as Trevor Laurence but still.
Looking at Lovie's NFL record from the bears he did solid. I really do wish we could've got Flores but I really think you're right and the lawsuit was the deciding factor :(
Ya know what Five, I was at a point where the name "Christian Ponder" no longer popped into my head to do random bits of damage, but now you've gone and reopened the wound. WHY VIKINGS WHY
One thing that wasn’t mentioned that was surprising is losing the locker room. Once a coach (or manager in baseball) does it there’s usually no going back.
Tbf, that time period was somewhat anomalous in how many long term HCs there were-Cower, Fisher, Shula, Mike Shanahan, Belichick…all these guys spent years and years with the same team as HC There’s also guys like Jimmy Johnson and Dungy, etc who split their careers between only two teams
This video is great. Unfortunately its missing Matt Rhule bc the Panthers Organization decide to fire everyone but the Head Coach, which is pretty pathetic.
Everyone acts like Hurts was setting records that last game when his numbers where so fucken awful the only question was what took Petersen so long to pull Hurts out of that game.
More reasons why Nagy was fired came out after he was gone... Mistreating his players, being too deep in his own ass, never adjusting to schemes against his plays, leaving qbs out to dry against overpowering defensive rushes... To name a few
Why is Steve Wilks on the back to back losing season at 6:25 in the video? He only got one season with the Arizona Cardinals. I could see if he had a second season. The Bidwell family decided to drop the ax and go with Kliff Kingsbury and Kyle Murray after getting rid of both the coaching staff and quarterback from the previous season.
Man I’d love to have Flores anywhere on my team’s coaching staff. Doesn’t matter if it’s HC or special teams, that man clearly knows football. I think he’d be a great fit for the Texans. Hope he actually gets a fair chance with his next team.
I think him choosing not to tank is pretty commendable. What really got him fired though was him trashing Tua - and missing the playoffs three straight years. Gave the owners and their shitty GM all the reason to fire him.
It’s been reported that Flores wanted anyone but Herbert. He has a losing record as HC when Tua is NOT the starter. He was fired after back to back winning seasons so he fits in the power struggle category.
What gets a coach fired? Me before watching the vid: If they are not controllable, "yes sir" robots. Me after watching: Ok, the answer is much more nuanced. I stand corrected. XD
You touched on it, but didn't list it as a reason per se. One clear reason a coach gets fired in the NFL is that he doesn't honor the head office mandate to take a dive when he's asked. You mentioned this of Flores, but the more clear example of that is David Culley, who appears to have been fired for winning four games with a team that was engineered to fail.
IMO, his racism angle ruins his lawsuit. Unless he has some bombshell recording of the owners saying some racist stuff against him, he's going to lose the case badly. A judge will just tell him that team owners can hire or fire anyone they like, no matter how shitty management is. On a better managed franchise, Flores could've been a great coach. But now he never will be.
Yeah I think Flores was wrongly fired, but I don't know about him being a victim of racism. Once Joe Schoen got the Giants GM position, I just knew Brian Daboll would be hired as head coach, since they have connections from their time in Buffalo.
Chicago loves hiring coaches who have a unorthodox and extra creative playbook that has worked for a spell at previous places. The problem with Martz and Nagy is they are convinced these plays can work anywhere, even if the teams are complete opposite of where they were successful, and worse is they are unwilling to adapt and change things up. For both of them they would need stellar offensive lines and for both of them we lacked just that. Mike has Cutler do a 7 step drop back 3 times in a row and each time he's hit before he can turn around and plant his foot... What does Mike call for the next 5 plays? More 7 step drop backs. He was doing exactly what the definition of insanity down to the letter... Sadly I don't think things will improve until grandma McCaskey moves on
Well I can tell you this much, you could get away with not flying home with the team after a game. Bonus points if you let your employee at the restaurant you own give you a lap dance before the team plane even takes off. This would be my example if I was there and we got caught doing a midget tossing at a bar. "Oooh so its ok when the coach acts like a clown, but we cant?"
Before I watch the rest of the video, why do I get the feeling that one of the reasons will be that the coach isn't willing to accept an owner's culture? (Looking at all the coaches who were fired only to be replaced by a puppet)
Putting Jamarcus Russel on Lana Kiffen is completely unfair. He never wanted to draft him he wanted Megatron. Al Davis just never lost his hard on from seeing Jamarcus through the ball 60 yards on his knees.
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If Adam gase can be employed by an NFL team for 24 months then surely you and I can become a head coach
We would prolly be better
Probably be better than him and Urban Meyer at least 😅
@@davidcopeland5450 Urban set the bar pretty low, as long as u don't kick people and cheat on ur wife in public ur good
Matt Nagy too
Even with *Gase* as precedent, i highly doubt it.
I do not count as _white_ at the USA.
I wouldnt be considered for anything beyond coordinator.
If you are a NFC East head coach in the hot seat and you're playing Washington in the final week, please just call a normal gameplan.
(Mike McCarthy, are you paying attention?)
To be fair, Mike did sweep the NFC East.
He just dropped his pants down to the AFC/NFC West Teams lmao
@@darianclark3980 so the good teams? Eagles fan btw
Andy Reid, Chip Kelly, Tom Coughlin, Jason Garrett, Doug Pederson all agree
Short answer: depends on the organization.
Sometimes you have HCs fired for no good reason and other times, you have HCs that ought to be fired but aren't.
Bingo
Yeah. Jason Garrett held onto his job for way too long.
@@jackdaone6469 nah, Jones loves his puppets at head coach. Garrett was perfect at that role
@@enthusiastofcute
You say that, but it was Garrett who made the decision to bench Romo and start Dak before he was ready to takeover.
@@jackdaone6469 You do know that Garrett made that “decision” because Romo suffered a brutal injury and Dak looked very good in his rookie season
If you abuse your players that can get you fired, but what kind of coach would do that? 😬
lol
Frank Kush
Bill Bellichek lol
Idk… I’m kicking myself just thinking about it.
Urban Meyer
Coach is a weird thing. Guys like Hugh Jackson can still coach after 0-16 and still gets to coach half a season while Marty Schottenheimer takes them to the playoffs at 14-2 and gets canned.
You could tell Fields was not meant for Nagy’s offense. Why make an offense for a pocket passer for the likes of Dalton when you have a quarterback similar to Lamar Jackson
I'd rather not draft any quarterbacks like Jackson ever simply because their durability sucks and are usually one trick ponies when it comes to running.
You have a visor because you're not ashamed of your baldness?
Man matt Nagy would ruin ANY QB pure incompetence it's offensive
Fields =/= Lamar
@@SageSea1 Yeah Fields better than lamar
Great analysis, and thanks for not giving a lazy reason as to Flores' firing. By no means is the rest of the organization free from their own problems, but the situation with Flores was much more complicated than a lot of people are making it out to be.
I was fully expecting him to say “Flores did nothing wrong”. He was an ass, and was power hungry. I mean you don’t tell your starter that, we shouldn’t have drafted you. Especially, when you’re 1-7 with Tua playing a reduced role to start the season. Then you get to the fact that he has the same record as Adam Gase.
@@mattyaboi1653 Not to mention his record against a major opponent. I get growing pains and all that, but he finished his career in Miami winless against Buffalo. As a Bills fan myself, I was happy to have two penciled in wins a season, but if I were in the Dolphins front office I'd have considered letting him go for that, atop his increasingly toxic leadership. You just can't go winless against a division rival and NOT be on the hot seat.
Apparently going 7-9 constantly will get you fired! Ask Jeff Fischer
And constantly going 9-7 with a sense you aren't going anywhere ask Jim Caldwell
Even in a 17 game season he would go 7-9-1
Or ask Dick Jauron.
You forgot to mention the power struggle in San Francisco. During the early 2010s, John Harbaugh kept the 49ers in contention for a Super Bowl. Yet an ongoing conflict between Harbaugh, owner Jed York, and former GM Trent Balkke led to John being ousted. Before that, John took the 49ers to three NFC Conference Championship games and a Super Bowl appearance.
"Jim" Harbaugh... John Harbaugh is head coach of the Ravens
@@MarloSoBalJr OOPS!!!!!!! Thanks for correcting my mistake.
Obvious reasons: lack of success, lack of communication skills, failure to adjust to evolving playbooks, being a general douche with no respect
Not always obvious: office politics and power struggles in team organization, either when a team needs a scapegoat (ahem, Eagles) or if a star player demands someone gets let go
Baffling reasons: ego, power tripping (may or may not overlap with office politics), chasing trends without any knowledge or plan
I.e. Mike Zimmer.
He was guilty of a lot of these sins, plus had built a somewhat toxic environment (which shoulda been brought up as a factor especially in light of Urban Meyer, imo).
Unlike other coaches who lost a power struggle though, Zimmer managed to drag Rick Spielman down with him.
"The firing of Brian Flores (...) has forced the league into a reckoning over the failure of the Rooney rule"
No, it apparently made the NFL media scene to pick up the topic and chew on it for a couple of weeks - with the league knowing full well that it would die down eventually without any kind of real change, when the next Big Topic comes up... and Flores would be out of the league. Nothing changes in the NFL unless it is good for the owners.
Unless someone actively presses on the league, which is what I hope happens in the case of the Washington Commanders. The league wants this under the rug real bad and act like nothing bad happened. The truth of those emails and everything needs to see the light of day.
i dont think anything needs to be done.
there is no number of black coaches that need to be in the nfl.
there is no problem
Hey man big fan of your vids, but just a small note.
There is a rumor going around that Flores wanted Herbert over Tua. As far as I understand (being a life long Phins fan) this is not true. If they could have traded up and gotten Joey B they would have, but barring that long shot Tua was the man. GM Chris Grier was at the very least not going to pick a QB without consulting Flores, but more likely just straight up went with whoever Flores wanted.
There is a lot of hindsight on Justin Herbert but at the time of the draft Tua was considered by EVERYONE to be the clear pick. Herbert didn't have the prettiest tape (from my understanding, I'm far from an expert) and was seen as more of a project. Nobody saw his crazy rookie season coming.
Due to his and Joey B's success Tua has been under a microscope and unfortunately will likely be considered a bust because he has 5 turnstiles for an O Line. I like Tua but at this point I really wonder if we haven't broken him : /
“Turnstiles for an O Line” = 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah my understanding was that flores wanted tua over herbert
Flores wanted Herbert, thats why he was going to bench Tua
“Turnstiles for an offensive line my guy Herbert had no o line in his rookie year but still broke records
If they had Herbert, they'd have a healthy QB for two straight seasons likely, and Flores would still have a job because they'd make the playoffs.
Chuck Noll didn’t record a winning season with the Steelers until his 4th year on the job. He didn’t win a Super Bowl until his sixth year. He held the job for 23 years.
Bill Belichick had a 5-13 record with the Pats before winning his first Super Bowl.
Bill Walsh won 8 games in his first two years on the job.
Tony Dungy was fired in Tampa, then lost his first playoff game with the Colts 41-0, and didn’t get a Super Bowl as a coach until his 11th year (6th as the Colts head coach).
Moral of the story: Sometimes patience and faith in the coach pay off in the long run.
Unfortunately game is far more demanding now. In today's league, there's no way Chuck noll opens with 4 straight losing seasons and keeps his job
@@m.robert123 Yeah but Noll had some pretty damn good excuses. Such as one of his first round picks literally dying after a promising start to his career.
This is true, and it can be more of an ownership/upper management problem rather than the coach, as the Schottenheimer example showed. People good at their jobs can't properly flourish if they're in a toxic environment. Bellichick's first HC gig was with the Browns, where he was fired. Would he have had success had he been able to stay? Maybe, but the Browns are a badly run team.
@@kitkat6782 Which player was this?
Running a QB sneak twice near your own goal line 😄😄😄
FivePoint i just wanted to tell you that your videos have taught me so much. You are awesome 🙌
Thanks!!! Did I teach you how to cuss?
@@FivePointsVids Nahh the military did that; but you taught me how to add salt to the wounds and that’s what counts.
Flores is just misguided. He'd be good with the hawks or 49ers, they play more his style of football
Still trying to figure out how a coach who got wins out of generally not great Dolphins squad is "misguided".
@@johnchedsey1306
his coaching wasnt the problem its like you didnt watch the video
Brian Flores should be the Raiders coach. He'd make their defense stout af
The Raiders hired Josh McDaniels (🤣🤣🤣) over Brian Flores
@@darealconman And I don't know why. Brian Flores is a good coach who would help the Raiders defense establish a strong foundation. While Josh McDaniels was bad with the Broncos, and bounced on the Colts immediately after getting the job.
@@darealconman LICKIN on da farts
Hell no. I don't want Flores. Dude isn't good with the locker room and is suing the damn NFL cause he's salty. People judging McDaniels based on his first and only HC job from over a decade ago are slow. Right now, the Raiders are building one of the best staffs in the league and Flores doesn't belong. Especially because we wouldn't have gotten these other great pieces if McDaniels wasn't here.
@@TryPuttingItInRice Question: What reason should I have to believe that McDaniels is going to be a good HC this time around?
How does Five Points only have 325K subs with all his fire videos?
To go along with his annual meltdown after every Giants first round draft pick
😂😂😂
It’s when front offices get desperate look at how many coaches the browns have had since they’ve come back it’s because since day 1 they’ve been desperate to prove they can succeed and as a result they never give coaches time to build their team or bounce back from a bad season
I think part of it is due to fan pressure as well. For fans, the onus is always winning, and when that doesn't happen, they want heads to roll.
Reason number infinity as to why I never, ever trust the Browns, even if they happen to look good on occasion. I don't ever want to hear about how it's "their time" again.
9-8, no playoff appearances in a couple seasons, bad relationship with his owner and QB gets you fired.
Relationships are the main reason no matter how many wins you get
Miami Dolphins management doesn't know wtf its doing
Ok hear me out, there is one guy that is a bit of an outlier here, and really probably should have kept his job, and he was absolutely shafted by the team because he had a terrible offensive coordinator, bad ownership, and a team unwilling to spend on big name talent, even though they had multiple pro bowl players on both sides of the ball, a hall of famer, a couple future hall of famers, and rookies who were promising as all hell at the time. Jim Caldwell. The man was screwed out of a job, and everyone who doesn't have the last name Ford wishes he woulda got an extra year or two to see what he could do.
New reason: filing a lawsuit against the people who would be hiring you.
Looooooool, u really picked the Pelicans over the Raptors during the betting thing at 1:48
Rule #1 for any senior exec is to get along with your boss. From what I understand , Flores didn’t make that effort. I’ve dealt with Ross in several non-football contexts over the years and found him to be a decent guy, demanding when he had the upper hand, and solicitous when he needed something. It’s not easy for a football coach, an expert in a demanding sport, to be respectful to an owner who is not an expert, though he may think so. Still that’s what the job entails. You don’t like it? Get another $MM salaried job.
If Flores is telling the truth the owner demanded he break league tampering rules and also break actual laws by deliberately losing. Like at some point "respecting the boss" just makes you a bootlicker and a fall guy
I strongly disagree-if they hired you, especially for such an important position, you have every right to demand some autonomy and input concerning decision-making
We live in a world where executives run companies into the ground yet they get golden parachutes. And then another cushy exec job awaits them. Ross has a history of horrible teams under his ownership. Flores had proven that he could take one of the worst rosters in the NFL (the 2019 squad) and get some wins out of them. I hope Flores utterly embarrasses the NFL owners with this lawsuit.
You forgot to mention Sean Payton going 7-9 three straight seasons from 2014 to 2016.
I suppose he means in their first 2 seasons
That was more on the defense being shit iirc
2017 draft was insane
@@lydiavalentino yes it was. One of, if not the best, draft the Saints ever had.
@@lydiavalentino rooting for Vonn Bell and Trey Hendrickson this Sunday.
"I was too good at my job... Which, like, is SO Miami."
-Flores in fiveish years
If you're a Washington head coach, being hired will result in your firing.
Love your unique style and analysis man. Very informative and entertaining 👍🏻
Thanks!!!
@@FivePointsVids I farted here
"What gets a head coach get fired?"
Steeler fans: "Head coaches get fired?"
According to some people, being black gets you fired 🤣
Reeeeeeeeeeeeee NFL RacIsT
Poor Duggy. Best of luck in Broward Co from the Philly faithful
Completely wrong analysis on Matt Nagy. It wasnt the playcalling. It was his inability to change his scheme for his players. He always schemed for the players he WANTED, not the players he HAD.
Kinda the same thing, but different words what FivePoints said.
But Matt Nagy also failed developing Justin Fields for his rookie similar. Not as worse as Trevor Laurence but still.
I mean that's pretty much exactly what he said about Nagy towards Fields.
@@darianclark3980 I’m reporting you for harassment, please leave me alone
@@bananapee86 Huh? Is this a joke? Wtf
@@darianclark3980 you keep farting on da licks.
Culley was fired because Flores became available. Than Flores sued. Now we got Lovie. He should be ok.
Looking at Lovie's NFL record from the bears he did solid. I really do wish we could've got Flores but I really think you're right and the lawsuit was the deciding factor :(
@@silentstorm5439 I own a business and there is no way I am hiring someone who is sueing me. It's the ultimate conflict of interest.
I was always told a coach got fired most of the time if he did not sleep with the owners wife when instructed to buy the owner
Is this referring to something specific?
@@TheTaquitoProject yes the truth
@@nickythebull82 no I just hadn’t learned about that yet and forgot to delete my comment,
Ya know what Five, I was at a point where the name "Christian Ponder" no longer popped into my head to do random bits of damage, but now you've gone and reopened the wound. WHY VIKINGS WHY
I want to see this for the big 4 (now 3)!
I am so early my zoom class isn't even over
"Yup I'm Jinxing The Bengals Baby"
😂That Statement Aged So Well
Grinding on girls and kicking kickers via urban Meyer
Record and Ego. That's the answer right? You're fired for either your record or someone's ego.
Great video! Way to put out regular content that entertains and informs!
From a Jaguars fan, Meyer did himself in
Let’s not forget Judge’s press conference after that Bears game!
One thing that wasn’t mentioned that was surprising is losing the locker room. Once a coach (or manager in baseball) does it there’s usually no going back.
Almost 2 months after the dolphins fired Flores as a dolphins fan I’d have to say it was the best decision the dolphins had made in 30 years
I was just a boy back in the early 2000s and 1990s. Were head coaching jobs always so seemingly volatile?
No
No
Tbf, that time period was somewhat anomalous in how many long term HCs there were-Cower, Fisher, Shula, Mike Shanahan, Belichick…all these guys spent years and years with the same team as HC
There’s also guys like Jimmy Johnson and Dungy, etc who split their careers between only two teams
This video is great. Unfortunately its missing Matt Rhule bc the Panthers Organization decide to fire everyone but the Head Coach, which is pretty pathetic.
Matt Rhule was a terrible fucking coach.
Rule #1: never outshine the master
Everyone acts like Hurts was setting records that last game when his numbers where so fucken awful the only question was what took Petersen so long to pull Hurts out of that game.
Well we have Kliff Kingsbury who magically kept his seat this season. Right now he is on the hot seat.
More reasons why Nagy was fired came out after he was gone... Mistreating his players, being too deep in his own ass, never adjusting to schemes against his plays, leaving qbs out to dry against overpowering defensive rushes... To name a few
In Miami and Detroit, it’s apparently finish over .500
That's ok. Miami will have something resembling an NFL offense next year.
Being trash, losing the locker room, or, in Flores' case, no good reason
I’m laughing hysterically right now
Flores might get himself blackballed from future head coaching jobs because of his lawsuit.
well deserved
Why is Steve Wilks on the back to back losing season at 6:25 in the video? He only got one season with the Arizona Cardinals. I could see if he had a second season. The Bidwell family decided to drop the ax and go with Kliff Kingsbury and Kyle Murray after getting rid of both the coaching staff and quarterback from the previous season.
Its just a random collage of fired coaches
@@FivePointsVids I also noticed Jim Caldwell. He was fired after back to back *winning* seasons with the Lions of all teams.
Maimi's front office absolutely seething that they tanked for an average QB lmao
If the coach did offer you $100 k to lose a game you should resign on the spot.
Man I’d love to have Flores anywhere on my team’s coaching staff. Doesn’t matter if it’s HC or special teams, that man clearly knows football. I think he’d be a great fit for the Texans. Hope he actually gets a fair chance with his next team.
Agree 100%
i hope he doesn't pulling the race card ruins him.
Still don’t know how Marvin Lewis stuck for so long on the bengals
It's because he wouldn't tank. It's not about race it's about game throwing
I think him choosing not to tank is pretty commendable.
What really got him fired though was him trashing Tua - and missing the playoffs three straight years. Gave the owners and their shitty GM all the reason to fire him.
@@scaryhobbit211 agreed
once again great video FPV ya Wins and Loses arent always the Determining Factor in Coach getting Canned
Kinda weird but anyone else notice Brian Flores wearing the dolphins old logo on his hat but the new logo on his jacket 😂
i'm on the side of flores and other coaches who been released, (Lovie smith), for being fired despite winning seasons.
Raheem Morris also got fired from the Bucs missing on a QB picking Josh Freeman.
Five points would be the best head coach of all time
It’s been reported that Flores wanted anyone but Herbert. He has a losing record as HC when Tua is NOT the starter. He was fired after back to back winning seasons so he fits in the power struggle category.
Is Jeff Fischer can hold on for fifteen years in Tennessee…
I love this channel. So entertaining
Funnily enough, funnily is a real word. Sounds funny, funnily enough.
joe judge punching the air rn
Here's an idea for a video. Why teams won't hire Eric Bienemy as a head coach.
back to back winning seasons mean nothing if you don’t make the playoffs in either of them
Bounty Sports is Sean Payton's favorite way to bet on sports.
Doug hung around like a week after that loss. They fumbled the crap out of that situation.
I was dancing when Brian Flores fired and when tom Brady retired
i understand the tom brady hate but why the floes hate?
@@EvilDickism dolphins that’s no hate to himself just I hate the dolphins cause I’m a jets fan
What gets a coach fired?
Me before watching the vid:
If they are not controllable, "yes sir" robots.
Me after watching:
Ok, the answer is much more nuanced. I stand corrected. XD
Jim Harbaugh was 100% power trip
You touched on it, but didn't list it as a reason per se. One clear reason a coach gets fired in the NFL is that he doesn't honor the head office mandate to take a dive when he's asked. You mentioned this of Flores, but the more clear example of that is David Culley, who appears to have been fired for winning four games with a team that was engineered to fail.
I thought Flores was a good coach, but I lost all respect for him when he cried Racism, makes me think he's thw actual racist.
Nope just your average Black. I didn’t use to think that way, but living close to North Omaha showed me the truth.
@@trevinschaerr3732 riggggghhhhhtttt
IMO, his racism angle ruins his lawsuit. Unless he has some bombshell recording of the owners saying some racist stuff against him, he's going to lose the case badly.
A judge will just tell him that team owners can hire or fire anyone they like, no matter how shitty management is.
On a better managed franchise, Flores could've been a great coach. But now he never will be.
Yeah I think Flores was wrongly fired, but I don't know about him being a victim of racism. Once Joe Schoen got the Giants GM position, I just knew Brian Daboll would be hired as head coach, since they have connections from their time in Buffalo.
@@trevinschaerr3732 average black🤔 pipe down buddy
Playing for Matt Nagy was like being pegged over and over again. Lol is that what anyone else heard or just me?
Chicago loves hiring coaches who have a unorthodox and extra creative playbook that has worked for a spell at previous places. The problem with Martz and Nagy is they are convinced these plays can work anywhere, even if the teams are complete opposite of where they were successful, and worse is they are unwilling to adapt and change things up. For both of them they would need stellar offensive lines and for both of them we lacked just that. Mike has Cutler do a 7 step drop back 3 times in a row and each time he's hit before he can turn around and plant his foot... What does Mike call for the next 5 plays? More 7 step drop backs. He was doing exactly what the definition of insanity down to the letter... Sadly I don't think things will improve until grandma McCaskey moves on
The way you get fired is by making the owner / hire ups mad.
Don’t forget the ny offensive coordinator was Jason Garrett
I don't think Kiffen wanted JaMarcus Russell lol
If we are being real Flores worked against Tua that is a sign of a bad coach
Well I can tell you this much, you could get away with not flying home with the team after a game. Bonus points if you let your employee at the restaurant you own give you a lap dance before the team plane even takes off. This would be my example if I was there and we got caught doing a midget tossing at a bar. "Oooh so its ok when the coach acts like a clown, but we cant?"
Brian Flores didn't deserve to get fired. He lead miami to back to back winning seasons for the first time since 2002-2003.
Fields could become Chicago’s best QB since Luckman
Bears haven’t had a good QB since Johnson was President.
_Andrew_ Johnson. 😉
@@joeylawn36111 Andrew Jackson or LBJ?...
@@MarloSoBalJr it was a joke - Andrew Johnson, 17th President, succeeded Abraham Lincoln
you jinxed the bengals
Incompetent ownership
Best losing Tom Brady Pic for a statue in NY
You five points. Did you do th voice inda new 5hour energy commercial?
Before I watch the rest of the video, why do I get the feeling that one of the reasons will be that the coach isn't willing to accept an owner's culture? (Looking at all the coaches who were fired only to be replaced by a puppet)
Close
That's a reasonable interpretation of the Jerry Jones/Jimmy Johnson situation
Matt Nagy was carried by the defense, which is an indictment against him because he’s an offensive head coach
Jerry Jones really shot himself in the foot lol
Putting Jamarcus Russel on Lana Kiffen is completely unfair. He never wanted to draft him he wanted Megatron. Al Davis just never lost his hard on from seeing Jamarcus through the ball 60 yards on his knees.
Uh, when they suck?
In the case of Flores, apparently being too good at your job...
Ah, he was only 24-25 in three years. Not saying that he was bad by any means, but Coaches have been fired with much better records than that too.