That's a good reason. I almost bought one to replace my homemade table saw. For safety and I had $ to spend on a shop tool. I decided to get a bandsaw. It is safer, less space and lets me mill logs to lumber. I use mostly hand tools; less dust. And I took apart my table saw to save space because I no longer need it. Enjoy your new saw! You deserve it and we get lots of good content.
Glad you are okay. I had a similar incident without a saw stop. ended up with a roughly 1/8" deep groove in my thumb pad. Live and learn. congrats on the new saw, too. Thanks for all the videos.
When I was researching cabinet saws, upgrading from Delta contractor, I looked at saw stop. The price took it off my list. But now I'm thinking, one trip to the emergency room, and saw stop would have paid for itself. If your channel was a little bigger, sawstop would have sent you one for free. Got to say, they are smart at marketing. Almost all big channels have one they got for free. Better than any other way of advertising.
That's what my wife said - one trip to the ER, and it doesn't seem as expensive. You're right about SawStop and marketing. I sent them an email asking if I could use their videos (which I ended up not doing), and their comment was "Thanks for your support! You have some great content. Please feel free to edit footage as needed." Now I kind of wish I had contacted them first. On the other hand, it's nice to be able to say they didn't pay me or anything.
According to my PCS manual, if you send your old brake cartridge back to SawStop and they confirm that it was activated due to contact with flesh, they’ll send you a new one for free. Hope you didn’t throw the old cartridge away!
That ER stuff is no joke, but it doesn't stop there. I had an 'incident' with my table saw just before Thanksgiving of last year. I ended up with six stitches in my thumb (no bone damage though). It took until around New Year's for the cut to heal to the point where I didn't need a bandage on it. After several more weeks I could hold things comfortably and am now getting to the point where most of the feeling is back.
@@navysandman1 Thanks for the comment, and sorry you got hurt. I had a router accident a while ago, and it took about a year before all the pain went away. So I'm in total agreement with you. It's more than just money.
wow i don’t even do woodwork. or own a saw. or even know that there was a thing called a “sawstop” but with you way of speaking i was invested enough to watch the entire video 😂 nice stuff. and i’m glad you’re safe and your thumb is okay all said and done.
Thanks! TH-cam is like that - I find myself watching videos I had no idea I'd find interesting. I'm glad my video turned out to be one of those for you, if that makes any sense. 😄
Your video is perfectly good. I saw this product years ago and always wondered how it would work in the real world as opposed to a hot dog. Thanks for sharing.
Dan, so glad you weren't hurt. Another reminder to all of us newbies, never stop paying attention. Wish I could have afforded the Sawstop, but I will continue to be ever vigilant, and hope I succeed.
I was looking at the Sawstops and thought "WOW over priced" but now that i've seen a few videos on how it works I'm going to upgrade my saw to the Sawstop when i have the cash. Thanks for the hard work it takes to make these videos. Most don't know how much goes into editing them before putting up.
Thanks for the comment, and for understanding how much work they really are. You're right, most people don't get it. As for the price of SawStops, just compare it to the cost of an ER visit. 😛Check out the SawStop Users' Group on Facebook facebook.com/groups/sawstopusersgroup/. There's a bunch of really good people there, and it's run by a good guy from SawStop, so you can hardly go wrong. 😄
Lemme tell you Sawstop is a wonderful invention my friend wishes he had it years ago he cut off 3 of his fingers and nearly a 4th in addition to losing nearly 3 pints of blood reroute to the hospital. He had no cell service in the remote area he was in. Reattaching the 3 and repairing the one cost him $83,000 USD in surgeons & facility fees and this was after his insurance. It took 7 surgeries to fully repair the damage the saw did to the bone, tendons or ligaments . It's been nearly 20 years since his accident and he never regained full range with them due to scarring. If you think this saw is expensive think again.
Wow! I'm a software engineer and got a sawstop since my fingers are pretty critical to my income. I'm glad your OK. I think I'd be shaken up a bit and might take a vacation from wood working if it happened to me. I'm always careful, but they call them 'accidents' for a reason.
I'm a retired software developer, and my finger's are *still* critical to me. 😛I get what you're saying, though. That's why the whole thing was so surreal. It was like it happened to someone else. Honestly, it was kind of cool to know it works. But I don't think I need to test it again. 🙄
You know I've heard of these failing but i look at it like this. 1: even if it only saves the fingers of a few people its better than none. 2: some of the people it fails on were way to reliant on it working and got too comfortable with taking risk. Either way glad to see it helped you prevent a hospital trip. keep up the good work thanks for the entertainment
I was a mechanic for 46 years. When you got the "revised" part, it came with the latest improved parts &/or technology. Glad you're safe & now I want a Stop Saw in my shop.
Thanks! Actually, it *is* easy for me to show them. For some reason, I like showing my mistakes. I suspect a therapist would have a field day with that. 😄
@@michaelposey6529 My wife actually made me take back the table saw I had just bought at Home Depot and buy the SawStop. And she was right. If you're interested, you might want to join the SawStop Users' Group on Facebook. It's run by a SawStop employee, who's a great guy (Trent Davis). facebook.com/groups/sawstopusersgroup
From one TH-camr to another: gotta LOVE that moment at 8:12! Very useful, thorough and use-able method/process for checking blade alignment Dan... nice! Best, Matt
Thanks, Matt. I was beginning to think you fell off the surface of the earth! You know what's funny about the backwards blade? I didn't actually notice I had it in backwards until I made the video (yes, I fibbed a little). I just got lucky that I didn't try to use it. 😛
@@TheNewbieWoodworker I once did the same backwards blade thing... but it was when I was giving pointers for proper use of a dado blade, wouldn't you know?! I tried to find the segment to link here but my selective memory seems to be working effectively. I've been wandering close to the edge of the earth but haven't slipped... yet! Best, Matt
My high school construction classes had saw stops, they seriously save limbs. Thankfully, no one I knew had close calls, but seriously I think every machine shop, wood shop etc in the country should have them. They stop life changing injuries
Thanks, I appreciate it. In fact, after having so many nice comments about my speaking to the camera, I'm doing it more often now. As for the SawStop JSS, I know they're coming out with the "JobSite Pro", and some of the changes sound kind-of like something that might have been done to appease the UK lawmakers. I hope so - time will tell.
@@TheNewbieWoodworker I think a lot has to do with dado blade fitment, they're outlawed here on jobsites under health and safety regulations, but the same laws do not apply to domestic workshops, we also run 240v AC (jobsites need to be transformed to 110v, not law but recommended), I was going to import but all the table saws I've found in the US seem to be listed as 120v? And then the prices become ridiculous when you add on taxes and shipping plus no warranty 😒
i never use gloves when using a saw or a grinder of any kind.. if i wear gloves when i'm using an angle grinder and the grinder gets a nib of my glove. it'll drag the rest of the glove in and cut off my fingers
Thanks for this video. I just bought the same saw last week at my local Rockler. I am also in Southern California and watching this video made me feel secure in my choice of this particular saw
I enjoyed the video as I have been setting up my new SawStop cabinet saw so I am going to send this on to my wife. She rolled her eyes when i showed her the price. You can't put a number on safety. I am glad that you were not hurt in the incident. John
The advice people need to follow from your accident is not to buy a sawstop but to have your mind focused in the now when using a table saw. As yours wasn't while you were using it. Glad it helped you in the situation.
Thanks, Keith. But here's the thing - you can't always control your mind, or at least I can't. Read my blog entry on the subject: thenewbiewoodworker.com/2019/03/12/woodworking-and-add.html
Newbie, even the spindown is dangerous. I hit my thumb on my ShopSmith as it was spinning down and I was trying to remove a piece of waste wood before it locked in the blade slot. Was bandaged for 4 weeks and it took a long time to get feeling back in the end of the thumb.
Yeah, one-and-done is a good description. But you can send the brake back to SawStop, and if you triggered it with your flesh, as opposed to cutting metal which apparently they can tell by examining the brake, they'll send you a new brake for free. I wouldn't trust the blade anymore, though. If you use an expensive blade, you can probably send it to the manufacturer to check it and fix it. I did this once, and they did a great job. Can't remember which company right now, though. Bottom line of course is that I agree with you - totally worth it!
I just bought the PCS to upgrade my ancient Craftsman saw. Wow, what a difference. The SS PCS is not just a safe saw, it's a precision saw and built like a tank. I couldn't be happier. Videos like yours confirms I made a smart choice. Well Done Sir.
Thanks for the video. This is the reason I like your videos. Truth and honesty. Being a real person who makes a mistake now and then and shares how things in life are.
Thanks! I was watching a video today on the "I Like to Make Stuff" channel, and he showed several mistakes, and I appreciated it. So I know what you mean.
What a sobering video that re-emphasises how dangerous any power tool can be if you only use 99% concentration and forget about the other 1%. Thanks for sharing and glad the Saw Stop worked. As commented below I live in the UK and when they become available here I will in one. I don't foresee any objections from my wife as she hates visiting the ER as well. Cheers, Huw
Thanks, Huw. I don't understand why SawStops aren't available in the UK. Things like that always confuse me. For what it's worth, I talked with a Woodcraft store owner recently - we were just shooting the breeze. He sells both Festool and SawStop, and you probably know that Festool bought SawStop last year. He said he thought that Festool would add the SawStop technology to their Festool-brand table saws, but would *only* sell them overseas. I wish I had asked him more questions. Anyway, maybe there's hope yet. 😄
@@TheNewbieWoodworker Thanks for taking the time for replying. I will go into my local shop that sells Festool and ask them if they know if or when Saw Stop will be available in the UK. Cheers, Huw
Wow, just goes to show it only takes a second of inattention. Glad you were OK. I have the Job Site saw too and honestly would never use a table saw without this type technology. I am too accident prone to risk it.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Some day I would like to buy a saw stop. I just have to save up. Glad you're recording this from your shop, and not the hospital. Lol
Thanks for the reminder about table saw safety, regardless of whether or not you have a SawStop. I'm planning to upgrade to a cabinet saw or hybrid in the next year or so, not only for the larger capacity but for the reduction in noise level. Have you compared how loud the SawStop jobsite saw is vs the cabinet saw version? That's the main complaint from my wife when I'm down in my basement workshop. Also, the only thing less manly than reading the manual is knowing exactly where the manual is. :)
LOL! I'll admit to that, but then again, it's right in the storage compartment, so it's not that hard to find. As for the noise - get this: I haven't plugged it in yet. With everything going on with getting the video done, and blogging, I've been doing things little by little. Got everything calibrated yesterday. I'll turn it on today. 😄
Thanks for putting this video out. It was really interesting. I'd always wondered what it would be like the bump into that saw stop. I seen the hot dog one but never a real example. Again thank you.
You're welcome. There's a TH-cam video where a guy actually intentionally touched the blade with his finger. Can't remember what it's called, but you can find it if you search for it. And he just got a tiny scrape.
Glad you're getting an upgrade! I LOVE my PCS! I got the 36" version, 3 hp. Kinda wish I had got the router table extension with it, but maybe a future upgrade.
Thanks! I thought about the router table extension, but eventually decided against it because I already have a full-sized router table, and it has a lot of drawers I use.
Glad you are ok. I am a carpenter. Everyone I have ever met missing fingers lost them using a table saw. No one needs a saw stop. Keep your fingers away from the damn blade. Do not cut short pieces that can bind instead cut small pieces from longer stock. Don’t reach over a moving blade. When adjusting blade height don’t expose more blade than the amount of finger you are willing to loose . Use a push stick. Again keep your hands away from the blade. Every accident I have had or witnessed was from, being lazy, not paying attention or doing something stupid. Rarely is it bad luck. Unfortunately, if no one has taught you how to avoid injury bad experiences will. Also, I have noticed that the longer you go without injury the more likely you are to do something stupid. Be safe.
You say you've met people who have lost fingers using a table saw. Then you say no one needs a SawStop. I'm not forcing anyone to get a SawStop, however I'd argue that in fact, those people who lost fingers needed a SawStop. You also say that the longer you go without injury the more likely you are to do something stupid. Another reason for a SawStop. And of course injuries happen because of lack of knowledge, inattention, or stupidity. So what? That doesn't negate the need for safety equipment.
The Newbie Woodworker Not at all. The saw stop is a great idea and it works really really well. If I had an indoor shop that used a tablesaw it would be a very good purchase. I work in the field and not in the shop. The contractors version is too bulky I don’t like the stand I don’t much care for the fence and at the price point it just isn’t worth it to me. The point that I was trying to make though not very well is that the lesson that you learned from the injury or near injury shouldn’t be that you made a wise purchase but that you did something that you should never of done and that is what put you in harms way. You never should’ve reached over a moving blade that is the Takeaway. There are many other ways to injure yourself on a table saw that do not include being cut or losing fingers. I’ve seen people get hit in the face with pieces I’ve seen people get hit in the chest with pieces, and so on. Saw stop will not prevent kickback, binding, or protect your eyes. When I wrote to keep your hands away from the blade it wasn’t to be a snide dick. And yes it’s painfully obvious. But as you found out it can be taken for granted. Play safe.
@@evilsimeon Thanks for the clarification. Your reply is the exact reason I try (and sometimes fail) to not attack someone who I *think* is attacking me. I figure everyone deserves to be treated with respect, until they prove otherwise. But honestly, I was beginning to wonder about that philosophy, so thank you for being someone who's *not* being a dick! 😄 To your point, I couldn't agree more. I did already know better, and hopefully this is another reminder to me. Just because it's turned off doesn't mean it's safe. As far as kickback is concerned, I have a video demonstrating kickback, and while I may have taken some foolish chances in the video, I learned so much on the subject that it was worth it. Riving knife FTW, for one. Anyway, thanks again for the clarification.
I've had my Sawstop for over 14 years and have set the brake off many times but never with my finger. Generally the blade is still good. However, they say that you shouldn't continue to use the same blade. I guess the lawyers think a carbide tooth might be loose or the blade might be bent. One time it happened on my Dado King and it did remove a couple of teeth. I sent it back to the factory and they braised new teeth on at a very reasonable cost. I sold my Powermatic to get the Sawstop and have never regretted the move. It's no wonder it's the largest selling saw.
I was really lucky a few years ago. My hand slipped and my thumb went into my table saw blade (not a Sawstop). Went to emergency room got stitches and immediately bought a Sawstop. The blade didn't go deep and my thumb healed fine. Extremely lucky!
Mark Carter I am inclined to agree with you with about buying a saw stop, I just wish the price was not so steep. Or other manufacturers came up with same type protection. Perhaps the patent will run out and other manufacturers will follow suite.
@@TheFalconJetDriver I agree they're expensive, although I was surprised that the JobSite saw wasn't as expensive as I thought it would be. With that said, one trip to the ER would probably cover the cost difference! 😛
I wish they made one for a bench router. Got the top of my finger and tore it to shreds, not to deep and it's finally healed. Why doesn't sawstop make a brake when you switch it of. I hate waiting for it to run down. Even a drop saw has one. JD
A good rule of thumb (har har) that I use is no fingers within the "red zone" (the throat plate) unless the blade is stopped (not just powered off, actually stopped). When I do not want to wait for the blade to stop, I use a push stick to push the offcut out of the red zone so I can pick it up.
Sooooo Glad you are ok Dan! Glad the saw did its job too! Being half blind on the left side I can't always see where my left hand is. This is always a huge concern when doing anything period!!! It's been 3 years since I had my stroke which caused the blindness and I have just started using power tools again in the last 6 months and keeping track of the left side of my body is a must! When I use my table saw now, I always turn to my left some so that the right side knows where the left side is and I never get my hands anywhere near the blade until I am sure that it has stopped spinning and at first I even lowered the blade after making a cut. It is not as a big deal using the cross cut sled but still the black area is still there on the Left side..... Oh! Swinging a hammer is real treat, I know where it is starting the swing but the follow through of the swing is still iffy...lol Still we are getting back to doing projects... BTW it is getting warmer here in Indiana and I will be getting on to the Router Lift plans I bought off of you! Take Care Dan, keep the fingers and the fath too!
Thanks, Bruce, and I'm glad you still have your sense of humor. It's the only way to survive trouble, in my mind. I can't imagine using a hammer that way! Not me, I can tell you - I like my fingers. 😄Good luck on the lift - feel free to ask questions.
You are very lucky Dan, it could have been a lot worse & I'm glad that you are OK. Very informative video BTW. Note to self: Always use push sticks, never rush & never try grabbing the wood before the blade stops!
Thanks for the video. I’ve seen a million videos showing the saw stop in action. This is the first I’ve seen of what to do after! Very informative! I’m subscribing to your channel 👍
I've seen a number of Saw Stop demonstrations with a hot dog. Glad to see the brake works as well with real flesh. Those saws are built like tanks in order to be able to the absorb the force of the brake slamming into the blade. It would take a lot more than that to hurt those things. I hope you enjoy the new PCS.
This is Garry not Linda. Tiring of Saw Stop plaudits, I'm giving you five thumbs up for the arbor alignment method. I don't know where you got it or why you came up with it but the accuracy that brings to the table is phenomenal. It's the smack on the forehead and why didn't I think of that moment. I'm putting that one straight into my playbook and to use on my old saw, "the beast." It weighs something over around or above 400 pounds, made way before all the technology. The most reliable safety device is me!
Thanks Garry, and I get it, about the SawStop plaudits. I really do. As for the method, I actually got it from a book - I don't remember the name offhand, but I mention it in my "Table Saw Tune Up part 1" video, which was one of my earlier videos, so cut me a little slack. 😛
@@TheNewbieWoodworker This is Garry again. I wasn't giving you grief about the Saw Stop, I was referring to all of the comments. No one seemed to pickup on the alignment method you showed. To me that was worth a million bucks. Keep up the good work I'm always watching for your next video.
@@bassrun101 Gary - Thanks for the clarification. I hesitated about putting it in this video, but the video seemed awfully short without it, so I figured why not? Some people get it, some don't. It's all good as far as I'm concerned. 😄
I always use some basic fabric work gloves when handling the blades.. glad your brake engages so fast .. I am so tempted to buy a Sawstop! I just love my Ridgid 4512 table saw.. but I am quite tempted to replace it just for the added safety all it takes is one goof.
Thanks for the comment about gloves. I'm trying to remember to use them, and hopefully I've shed enough blood that I'll remember from now on. 😄I know that replacing a saw you love is hard to do, but the cost of an ER visit, and the thought of losing fingers is a good motivator. 😄
@@TheNewbieWoodworker Yes indeed. My thoughts exactly, as well as someone in my family has lost a finger to a job site saw while on the job. I'm a hobbyist but I think it may be something my tax return may have to fund, plus my present saw is perfect and I can get a few hundred for it. Make some sawdust !
@@g.fortin3228 Personally, think those of us who don't do woodworking as often as the professional might even benefit from a SawStop more than the professional. On the other hand, I've heard from multiple job site leads who swear by the SawStop, because it's saved many employees. Anyway, enjoy!
You're going to love the PCS particularly the way you micro-align the blade with the slots and make sure you get the better the fence, well worth it. Thanks for the real life video, I'm sick of seeing hotdogs. Looking forward to a review, assembly and alignment video on the PCS
Thanks, John. And if you're sick of seeing hot dogs, check this one out: th-cam.com/video/CX9nGSpoi8E/w-d-xo.html. I did get the better fence. The video will becoming, for sure.
LOL, thanks, and that's TH-cam for you. The next thing you know, you're watching a science video, not having a clue what they're talking about, but you can't turn it off. I'm that way all the time. I'm glad you enjoyed it!
I was about to complain about the $75 price for the brake cartridge, but I see that it has a computer on board. And if it has its own computer, as opposed to the computer being separate, I imagine it operates on the same idea of a car's airbag. The computer is expected to fry itself when it fires the squib, and I'll bet it also has an explosive device to actuate the brake. So it makes sense, I guess.
Subscribed and liked because of your genuine video (you admit to your difficulties with narrated videos) and because of the quality of your editing ( the spongebob references and the demonstration of why vertical videos are annoying). Great job !
Thanks! I really appreciate it. I try not to be totally boring, because I hate boring videos. Then again, I suppose it all depends on what you like and don't like. Thanks for subscribing! 😄
i think, one time, when i buy a table saw, i will buy one like yours. the saw stop is really impressing! i do not know if you wear your wedding ring while working but i advice you (because of bad personal expiriance) never wear your wedding ring on your finger when working. if your wife get's mad, take a chain and wear it around your neck it is much safer than on your finger, you do not believe how fast you can stuck with a ring and ripp off your finger. some big wood board is sufficent, one unseen nail somewhere etc.
I totally recommend any of the SawStops. Well worth the price, and they're quality tools also. As for the ring, I know I shouldn't wear it, but I'll never remember to take it off. That's just not something I can remember. Here's hoping.
Dan, the blade break, my question is you have to replace the break unit, you can not reset it, it's a good feature I do like the system, it also costly but I guess if it's going to keep your fingers attached to your hand it's a good lesson to learn Thumbs up. No pun intended lol
Thanks, Alan. As for the brake, SawStop will replace the brake for free, if it got triggered by contact with "flesh". So the cost is pretty insignificant, especially considering I can still give a thumbs up. 😂
Word of advice-although the blade LOOKS usable after the brake fires, the force of the speed of the brake coming in contact with the blade has the potential to loosen the welds of the carbide to the saw body, hence micro cracks can form. Turn the saw on and wahala! A piece of carbide comes flying off the blade body at 3450 RPM. Save a finger, u think a few bucks on a blade and even with safety glasses potentially loose an eye. Always send a spent blade to be inspected and resharpened.
Thanks, and holy crap do you know how to paint a vivid picture! Fortunately I didn't even consider reusing the blade. I hope everyone else follows your advice.
My grandfather cut his fingers off twice, He had the guard off the saw, his board got stuck on the roller at the end of the saw he retch across the saw brung his hand back above the blade with it running when he brung his hand back it went into the blade. When he started teaching me carpentry he demonstrated it for me,He done it in 2009, I was 3 years old and I said (Papaw I want to be like you and cut mine off) I cut my thumb open with a bandsaw and had to have it glued together. The first thing he said to me when he was showing me how to use electric saws was (If you get hurt it is your own fault for not paying attention to where your hands are) I'm glad you okay after that incident.
@@TheNewbieWoodworker My grandpa used to say (once you get cut your getting better but once you cut something off your an expert. Lol) He has had 9 heart attacks and a stroke he basically my father
@@TheNewbieWoodworker My real father was never in my life, in 2012 I had a seizure I was in a coma for a week my father left as soon as the helicopter arrived, But the rest of the family stayed they beat the helicopter in a drive that was an hour and half away
I’m sure the sawstop saved you a trip to the ER. From the looks of the brake it looks like the blade was really slowed when it deployed. Mine tripped at full running speed and that break was mangled. Blade was a total loss. Anyone buying a new tablesaw shoul consider shelling out the extra cash for a sawstop. They are worth it for sure!
Thanks, and I agree 100% with everything you said. So many people say "I always pay attention, so I'm safe". They can't all be right, although I hope they are, because I wouldn't wish a table saw injury on anyone.
Glad your thumb's intact, Dan! 👍 Wonder how much more of a nick you'd have had if it hadn't been spinning down already when it braked? Probably only slightly more, seeing how the teeth dug into and were stopped by the soft metal of that brake pad. But don't demo that! 😄 Interesting arbor alignment technique, very inventive! My own involves having the blade installed and fully raised to extend the arbor diameter to the blade diameter, then putting a piece of aluminum channel (one of those cheap 8' edge guides for ripping) against the blade (actually against two of the teeth leaning in that direction) to extend that line further. The edge guide is wide enough that it shortens the distance to the miter slot sufficiently to check it with a common caliper micrometer, narrow enough to check its own width with the same micrometer, and long enough to extend the line of the blade the full length of the miter slot, multiplying any error as much as possible by allowing a check at both the front and back ends of the slot. Also the effect of any blade warpage can be discovered by simply rotating the blade and rechecking a couple times.
I am a complete amateur and made the decision to cease all use of my cheap table saw until i could afford the saw stop. Mainly because as a Chef my hands are my life. Heck I honestly could not justify not buying one. I was talking to the painters at work and mentioned it and the boss asked more and more about the saw stop and said the cost of blade and cartridge is cheaper than the increase in insurance for one incident that left a cut on a worker let alone the loss of a finger.
True enough. If it helps, when the brake is triggered by touching flesh, you can send the brake to SawStop and they'll replace it for free. Of course, you'll probably want a spare brake so you don't have to wait for a new one.
I did exactly the same thing. I shut the saw off and removed the wood. Contacted the very tip of the blade with hairline contact. The blade had maybe one-half inch of travel left. Nothing dramatic happened; just a little click. No! It couldn’t have! It did. The blade did not retract into the machine. No momentum energy in the blade to cause this. The only way I knew the thing had gone off was that the blade was absolutely locked. Do not replace the blade/brake cartridge without wearing gloves. The blade is sharp and dangerous. Working to replace the blade/brake assembly without gloves is asking for trouble (experience here). But it’s an easy fix. How much motion was left in the blade when I touched it? Essentially NONE. Absolutely no damage to the blade OR THE SAWSTOP BRAKE CARTRIDGE! Except the cartridge triggered. The cartridge looks perfect except for a few marks where the saw teeth hit it; ‘probably a unique damaged cartridge. However, it’s now just wall art for the shop. Replacement? $110. Oh well, ‘nice to know it works.
Great Video Dan I am glad you are not a frequent visitor to the ER, if only routers had a saw stop break.🤣 Wow a cabinet saw you are really going to enjoy that saw, it is like the difference between making a table saw with a circular saw upside down on OSB and placing it in a trash can to have a table saw. Just the sound of the motor alone will make better cuts compared to the direct drive you have now. It is nice to see the operation of the saw stop and the change out of the cartridge from a real consumer point of view. And it is nice to know That no hot dogs where hurt in this video. Keep up the great videos! Back in 1981 I was a passenger in an airplane crash, I was wearing a Casio watch the watch broke in half and the digital display continued to work. It reminded me of John Cameron Swayze that advertisements for Timex “ It takes a licked and keeps tickin) ( how is that for a blast from the Past?) I snail mailed it back to Casio along with story behind the watch they sent me a new watch however to my knowledge they never used it for an advertisement. I still have the replacement watch.
I remember my schools wood shop class had this saw. Someone set it off and the got suspended for doing it because it was so expensive to fix. Also, that same year someone lost there pinky. Rip to that kids pinky
wow, thats one of those things you have and think you'll never need, but turns out you needed it. glad you had it, i'm sure it was well worth the cost of the saw to keep your digits
Dan, thanks for sharing your experience. Good thumb save! The danger is always in the back of my mind when using such gear, and I have to remind myself to focus on what I am doing, keeping the danger in mind, but not occupying my thinking when cutting. It occurred to me that your alignment method depends on how straight you have drilled through the piece of wood. As you say the shape of the piece doesn't matter but the alignment of the piece with the shaft does I think unless the piece is held fast on the shaft...damn, now I've confused myself!
Thanks! 😄As long as you pivot the board and measure in the same spot, even the hole can be crooked. But yes, you *do* have to use the arbor nut to hold it in place.
@@BenMitro Another option, which is actually my favorite, is to get this calibration disk: amzn.to/2OwwIbe. I like it because you can measure clear out to the edge, and it's really smooth.
I'm glad your thumb is okay I was just watching a video the other day where a guy kept reaching across the blade to grab his peace and I kept thinking that what causes accidentsheck I was watching a mechanic one the other day were the guy was cutting right towards the web of his thumb with a exacto knife and he later came back and argued with people hey I've been doing that for years I've not cut myself yet I'm sure that's what the 14,000 people each year that severely cut their cells with knives say also so again glad you still have your thumb
LOL. One of the cool things about almost all the people who watch my channel, up until this video anyway, is that when they catch me doing something stupid, they let me know but in a nice way. And I really appreciate it. I think everyone should record themselves making cuts, and go back and see if they're doing something stupid. Sometimes you don't even realize it. And I get what the guy with the exacto knife was saying, but still, that one time, one slip, and those blades are REALLY sharp. 😮
@@TheNewbieWoodworker oh yeah I get with the with the guy with the exact knife meant also but just because you've done something for years doesn't mean you're not doing it wrong or unsafe one day my son was open your package I had to yell at him to get him to stop and then I pointed out too much of a knife with a slip even in the slightest he would have slit his own chest open sometimes we just don't think we were doing certain movements with something really sharp good luck with your channel
A guy with nearly 120K subs Should be able to afford a 3900 dollar SawStop saw. Subscribed. I watched because I'm trying to convince myself that I need a SS saw. I'd rather have the Skilsaw worm drive jobsite saw.. then I remember 2.5 fingers missing from my shop teacher's hand!
LOL, thanks! And my SS PCS wasn't that much, although if I'd gotten the 3hp version, it might have been. If you need any more convincing to get the SS, just remember the cost of a visit to the ER. 😄
Been there and had to stop myself from moving cutoff pieces out of way. What you call not good video is high quality take it from a you tube aficionado. Glad you didn't get hurt. I think it says on the owners manual don't put your fingers on blade while moving...lol
Thanks, Bob, that's very nice! I'm beginning to think I need to start ignoring my perfectionism. All it does for me is increase my stress level. Sometimes "good enough" actually is good enough, you know? As for cutoff pieces, I need to remind myself to always have a push stick in my left hand. It keeps me from trying to grab the cutoff pieces. And dang! I should have read that manual. 😛
Newbie I like watching your videos, and have learned a good bit on tips and tricks for wood working as I am new to wood working. I would like to thank you for sharing your mishap video. Extremely glad you weren't injured. I have been looking at saw stop saws for a while, and have seen the videos of the weenie demonstration on there web sit. It is very impressive but to see and actual finger that has survived is even more impressive. Thanks again for sharing.
Thanks, Lewie! If you want to talk to actual SawStop owners, ask question, whatever, consider joining the SawStop Users' Group on Facebook, even if you don't like Facebook (like I don't). It's run by a SawStop employee, and he's a great guy. In fact everyone's great there. facebook.com/groups/sawstopusersgroup/
Disappointed I was looking forward to a breakdown of the actual costs to recover after failure. A tally and total, but it's ok just went back and jotted down what you posted individually. Thanks for your content
@@TheNewbieWoodworker didn't know if there anything else that gets damaged in the break etc when it engages. Been looking into one but haven't pulled the trigger yet.
@@jakesteel3641 Nope, just the brake. And from everything I've seen, it isn't normally that hard to get the brake out. The fact that I'm a magnet for Murphy's Law may have something to do with it. 😄You won't regret getting one. But if you're looking at the JobSite saw, you might want to check out my review first, just so you know what you're getting: th-cam.com/video/3zbYR5ok1V0/w-d-xo.html.
Hey, Newbie...since I didn't read any references to your graphics about "A few moments later", and the other ones, I will do so here. Can I assume that you have Grandkids that like Sponge Bob Square Pants ? These graphics look exactly like the ones from that show. I'm not knocking you, no...I think it's great and very funny. Sponge Bob is actually quite an interesting show with some very clever humor that young kids probably do not 'get', but the adults sure do. When my own now 12 yr. "young" Granddaughter was little, Sponge Bob was one of her favorite shows and she and I watched probably every one of them. I applaud you for your creative humor...way to go..!!
Thanks for the comment! Actually, my wife and I don't have children, let alone grandchildren, but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate SpongeBob! I was going to include audio also, but I didn't have any audio for the last one ("a few takes later"), and try as I might, I just couldn't do it justice myself. I appreciate that you "got it", and liked it. I'm smiling just thinking about it. 😄
Your video came up randomly but I thought I would just pop in and mention, if you didn't know. Saw Stop will replace the cartridge for free if you send it in, fill out the questionnaire and they can confirm that it was in contact with skin which caused the incident.
It looked like you did not use the blade guard or the riving knife when the accident happened. If you let the guard do its job your hands won't be at risk. The only time I ever remove my blade guard is doing dados and grooves. I glad it turned out okay.
I did use the riving knife. But I hate using a blade guard. Most of the time, I feel safer and more in control of the stock without it. But that's just me.
@@TheNewbieWoodworker I don't mean this in an antagonistic way, but while this seems to be a common sentiment, its completely flawed reasoning. People say they are safer and more in control when they can see whats going on. Your incident is of course a perfect demonstration of how that makes absolutely no sense. The only thing you need to see is the workpiece in contact with the fence. There is nothing to be gained by seeing the wood in the blade, as there is nothing you can do (or should try to do) to change whats happening in the middle of a cut short of keeping the workpiece tight to the fence. Great video though, thanks for sharing your experience. Glad you've still got all your digits. And congrats on the new saw!
@@dblehar Thanks, David, for the way you said this. I just had a troll battle, and I could have easily misinterpreted your intentions, so you saved me from responding to you in a way I would have regretted. You actually make a very valid point, and I hadn't really thought about it that way before. I make no promises to change, but I will certainly give it some thought. My other issue with blade guards is that I have to take them off to use sleds, and I use sleds all the time. But I'll think about it. The engineer in me wonders if there's a way around that problem, with a different sled design. Hmmm. Anyway, thanks! 😄
@@TheNewbieWoodworker i have an excalibur overhead guard on my saw so it can stay put for everything. Added benefit is it really does a great job getting all the dust. I think SawStop now has a similar offering (if not the exact same thing) that goes with their cabinet saw. Of course another expense but I love mine, totally worth it.
Another satisfied SawStop customer. So, uh, you really got room for that PCS cabinet? Can't wait to see the new video of it. Glad everything worked out, both for you and the saw.
Thanks! Yes, I have room for the PCS, but just barely. 😄If you want to see pics, check out my blog. thenewbiewoodworker.com/. I'm writing another blog post right now, and it should end with a picture or two of it in its new home.
Thanks. Yeah, my one worry is I'll either forget to test wet wood first, or I'll cut an aluminum miter track and forget to use bypass mode. But it's still worth it. 😄
Glad you are fine. So with power cut off to the motor and blade spinning due to inertia, the sensors are still working?! Then it has to have an auxiliary power unit to drive the brake cartridge to drop and jam the blade. That is seriously an outstanding design. Thank you for sharing your experience.
Thanks! Actually, there's a power switch that turns on all the electronics, then a switch that turns the blade on and off. Kind of like booting up a computer, but a lot faster. 😄
With the blade power off, the cartridge stopped the blade as shown, but the trunnion did not drop as it is supposed to. Is that what happened in your case?
@@sailorbill1908 Yes, that's what happened to me. But I just got a new SawStop PCS, and the manual that came with it is MUCH better than the one I got with the JSS, and it says that if the blade is spinning at top speed, or close to it, the blade will drop down. The implication being that if it's slower than that, it won't drop down. So I guess it works as designed.
I really enjoyed this video, and I also found it very informative, and to be honest, I think you're really good at talking to the camera, keep it up :)
I lost about 1/2 of my Thumb because i didnt Have the saw stop i also broke the thumb... Thats not worse then After it healed i had to Have surgery for nerve Damage every time i touched something it Stung... Saw stop is the One to buy !
I have a different model, but the same exact thing happened to me. I was cutting off a very thin piece. I shut the saw off and reached for the piece, and bang! I got a small nick. I do believe it would have been a serious injury. Let’s lift a glass to SawStop.
If I were going to buy a stationary cabinet saw for a shop, I'd definitely consider a SawStop model because, aside from the blade brake, they are top quality saws in every other regard and not out of line price wise compared to other top end saws. They really gouge on the price of their jobsite saws though. There is no way the brake adds $800 to the price of the saw and that's about how much more they charge for theirs over even the most expensive next in line brand. It's too bad because a construction site is probably the place this would stop the most injuries. There are a lot of people using the saw and a lot of distractions.
Well, to be fair, their JobSite saw is pretty high quality for a JobSite saw. But I understand what you're saying. Of course, one mistake makes it worth the money anyway. 😄
Weird thing happened. I got my middle finger hit, and posted the video that I caught of it happening from my ring cam, that didn't do well, but my explanation video was posted in June 2019. A few weeks ago, it went 2.5 million views in about 2 weeks! Holy Cow.
Pat, that's awesome! You never know what will happen on TH-cam. Probably someone fairly well known mentioned your video, but honestly, it could be anything. I've never had anything go off quite like that, but I can imagine how you must have felt, especially since it wasn't even a new video! Talk about cloud nine! If you ever figure out why it took off, let me know. And thanks for sharing! 😄
@@TheNewbieWoodworker Well, I got up that morning. I had oatmeal with strawberrys and bananas, and 4 scrambled eggs. Some coffee. Hmmm. I ordered TH-cam premium a few days earlier. That would be weird, but coincidence maybe. I think I put a link on one site on youtube about the sawstop. Not sure what happened. But I got monetized. It didn't pay like the suggestions stated, but hey, It almost paid for 1/2 the saw, and I got the bigger one. BTW, you know if you hit it with skin, they give you a free cartridge?
@@homesculptor Wow, one video gave you that much revenue? That's great! I have the PCS now, and I put a banner on my fence that says "Thank you viewers", because they paid for it. 😄 Yes, I did know SawStop will give you a free cartridge if it hits skin. Very cool.
I know about machine geometry and alignment. Your method of determining the parallelism of the blade (plane of rotation) and the T-slot (line of reference) is spot on. It's a classic application of descriptive geometry. It's true the use of a 1 x 4 as an extended radius made me cringe but you isolated your point of reference to a mark. I cringed again because I saw no obvious effort to ensure your miter gage was firmly seated to the same side of the slot for each reading. However your repeat zero and repeat result were within small limits so my misgivings were without grounds. You done good if the approval of an interloper claiming expertise by mere say-so is worth anything. I've heard testimonials and seen demos of the Saw Stop safety brake including the weenie test but remained skeptical. Your video has made me an advocate. I'm too decrepit to run power tools these days but people often consult me in matters of wood and metal work, machine tools, welding, etc. I'm putting the saw stop in the must-have column for safety features. However I'm not too impressed with Saw Stop's right-tilt arbor as advantageous in a world where 89% of its woodworkers are right-handed. My considered opinion is right-tilt table saws best suit the ergonomics of southpaws who place the rip fence on the left side of the blade. Reason: bevel cuts and the off-cut trapped between angled blade and fence. I've seen whopper kickbacks on left tilt saws. In this lies the seeds of endless partisan debate best vented over beer and pizza.
Thanks for your comment, and I love your last line. You sound like me - with opinions, but perfectly willing to squabble with others about them, in a good-natured way. And thanks for your validation of the method, although as I've said in other videos, I read it in a book, and it sounded good to me. 😄 As for the miter gauge not being secure in the slot, I completely understand what you're saying. The problem I've had in the past has actually been with the miter gauge tilting from side to side. So now I make sure the 2x4 jig is clamped down against the table, to prevent tilting. Your comments about the blade tilt and the fence confuse me. It seems to me that: 1) Almost everyone normally places the fence on the right side of the blade, because the table is almost always wider on that side. 2) A right-hander stands off to the left side, to avoid kickback. Or at least they should. 3) The SawStop arbor tilts to the left, meaning it tilts away from a right-side fence, as it should. So like I said, your comments about the tilt confuse me.
My mistake. Shoulda said "... southpaws who place the rip fence on the *left* side of the blade..." Dont know left from right. Next thing I'll be drooling on my bib. I corrected the second sentence, last paragraph of my post.
Yup hope so, don't get me wrong tho, I enjoy all the videos, just Idk more personable or something along those lines when speaking to the camera. I'm don't know much at all when it comes to shooting decent videos, but just my preference that way tho. Keep em coming tho!
@@reddawgrup1779 I appreciate you telling me. My problem is, when the camera's running, I just become a mumbling idiot. This video was easier to do, because I had a story to tell - that's easier to remember. But I'll keep it in mind. 😄
Here's an explanation of why I bought the new saw: thenewbiewoodworker.com/2019/03/31/why-i-bought-the-sawstop-pcs.html
I know it will seem odd for me to reply to my own comment. There's a reason, but it's technical, and nobody cares anyway.
That's a good reason. I almost bought one to replace my homemade table saw. For safety and I had $ to spend on a shop tool. I decided to get a bandsaw. It is safer, less space and lets me mill logs to lumber. I use mostly hand tools; less dust. And I took apart my table saw to save space because I no longer need it. Enjoy your new saw! You deserve it and we get lots of good content.
Thanks, and I will! 😄
I always wondered how easy changing cartridges where.
@@Veritas-invenitur Changing cartridges is a breeze. I'm not sure why I had problems, but I suspect I was doing something wrong.
You're actually pretty good at talking to the camera, and we like it, so keep at it!
Thank you - that's very nice! I'll see what I can do. 😄
I agree keep it up!
@@lillypoo22847 Thanks!
@Oh yeah yeah Thanks! I will. 😄
Glad you are okay. I had a similar incident without a saw stop. ended up with a roughly 1/8" deep groove in my thumb pad. Live and learn. congrats on the new saw, too. Thanks for all the videos.
Thanks! And sorry about your thumb, but we know it could have been much worse. My problem is, sometimes I just don't learn. 😄And you're quite welcome.
When I was researching cabinet saws, upgrading from Delta contractor, I looked at saw stop. The price took it off my list. But now I'm thinking, one trip to the emergency room, and saw stop would have paid for itself.
If your channel was a little bigger, sawstop would have sent you one for free. Got to say, they are smart at marketing. Almost all big channels have one they got for free. Better than any other way of advertising.
That's what my wife said - one trip to the ER, and it doesn't seem as expensive. You're right about SawStop and marketing. I sent them an email asking if I could use their videos (which I ended up not doing), and their comment was "Thanks for your support! You have some great content. Please feel free to edit footage as needed." Now I kind of wish I had contacted them first. On the other hand, it's nice to be able to say they didn't pay me or anything.
According to my PCS manual, if you send your old brake cartridge back to SawStop and they confirm that it was activated due to contact with flesh, they’ll send you a new one for free. Hope you didn’t throw the old cartridge away!
@@craigwilson4903 Thanks, Craig. I already knew that, but I appreciate the heads-up. I think I want to frame it. 😄
That ER stuff is no joke, but it doesn't stop there. I had an 'incident' with my table saw just before Thanksgiving of last year. I ended up with six stitches in my thumb (no bone damage though). It took until around New Year's for the cut to heal to the point where I didn't need a bandage on it. After several more weeks I could hold things comfortably and am now getting to the point where most of the feeling is back.
@@navysandman1 Thanks for the comment, and sorry you got hurt. I had a router accident a while ago, and it took about a year before all the pain went away. So I'm in total agreement with you. It's more than just money.
You’re great at talking to the camera, much better than most people on TH-cam by how genuine you sound.
Thank you - what a nice thing to say! 😄
wow i don’t even do woodwork. or own a saw. or even know that there was a thing called a “sawstop” but with you way of speaking i was invested enough to watch the entire video 😂 nice stuff. and i’m glad you’re safe and your thumb is okay all said and done.
Thanks! TH-cam is like that - I find myself watching videos I had no idea I'd find interesting. I'm glad my video turned out to be one of those for you, if that makes any sense. 😄
Your video is perfectly good. I saw this product years ago and always wondered how it would work in the real world as opposed to a hot dog. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks! Turns out, it works pretty darn good. 😄
There's a video of the guy that invented it actually test it with his own finger.
@@user-jh8cx4jf7u If you can't trust it on your own body, then you can't trust it on the customers', right? 😄
@@TheNewbieWoodworker so true
@@jok3yjesu339 😄
I am very happy that you're ok. I love Sawstop and had one until I moved and sold it.
Thanks, and I'm glad too! I hope you can get another one someday. 😄
Dan, so glad you weren't hurt. Another reminder to all of us newbies, never stop paying attention.
Wish I could have afforded the Sawstop, but I will continue to be ever vigilant, and hope I succeed.
Thanks! And yep, so true. I hope you succeed too. 😄
Just keep your hands away from the blade it real is that simple.
@@evilsimeon Oh my god! I had no idea I was supposed to do that! Thank you so much for letting me know.
I was looking at the Sawstops and thought "WOW over priced" but now that i've seen a few videos on how it works I'm going to upgrade my saw to the Sawstop when i have the cash. Thanks for the hard work it takes to make these videos. Most don't know how much goes into editing them before putting up.
Thanks for the comment, and for understanding how much work they really are. You're right, most people don't get it. As for the price of SawStops, just compare it to the cost of an ER visit. 😛Check out the SawStop Users' Group on Facebook facebook.com/groups/sawstopusersgroup/. There's a bunch of really good people there, and it's run by a good guy from SawStop, so you can hardly go wrong. 😄
Lemme tell you Sawstop is a wonderful invention my friend wishes he had it years ago he cut off 3 of his fingers and nearly a 4th in addition to losing nearly 3 pints of blood reroute to the hospital.
He had no cell service in the remote area he was in.
Reattaching the 3 and repairing the one cost him $83,000 USD in surgeons & facility fees and this was after his insurance.
It took 7 surgeries to fully repair the damage the saw did to the bone, tendons or ligaments .
It's been nearly 20 years since his accident and he never regained full range with them due to scarring.
If you think this saw is expensive think again.
Thanks for the comment, and sorry for your friend's accident. A good reminder of how dangerous saws can be.
Wow! I'm a software engineer and got a sawstop since my fingers are pretty critical to my income. I'm glad your OK. I think I'd be shaken up a bit and might take a vacation from wood working if it happened to me. I'm always careful, but they call them 'accidents' for a reason.
I'm a retired software developer, and my finger's are *still* critical to me. 😛I get what you're saying, though. That's why the whole thing was so surreal. It was like it happened to someone else. Honestly, it was kind of cool to know it works. But I don't think I need to test it again. 🙄
You know I've heard of these failing but i look at it like this.
1: even if it only saves the fingers of a few people its better than none.
2: some of the people it fails on were way to reliant on it working and got too comfortable with taking risk.
Either way glad to see it helped you prevent a hospital trip. keep up the good work thanks for the entertainment
Thanks!
I was a mechanic for 46 years. When you got the "revised" part, it came with the latest improved parts &/or technology. Glad you're safe & now I want a Stop Saw in my shop.
That makes sense - thanks.
I always like seeing videos of mistakes I might make. It can't be easy to show them. Thanks for helping the rest of us from making them.
Thanks! Actually, it *is* easy for me to show them. For some reason, I like showing my mistakes. I suspect a therapist would have a field day with that. 😄
If you think the Sawstop is expensive......Have you priced an Emergency room visit lately?
Very true. Thanks for the comment.
Or a thumb!
@@OperaBass3 LOL. We don't have a thumb store around here. I'd have to take a drive for that - a thumb drive? OK, that was a reach.
The Newbie Woodworker he shoots.... and he misses. Good try though lol
@@crunch9876 😛
Wow! Surely you have persuaded at least a few woodworkers to buy a SawStop, and saved a few thumbs.
Thanks! I figured I'd convince a few people, but I didn't think about the potential extremities that might save. Thanks for that! 😄
I'll be getting one of these in the future because I showed my wife this video and then some basic tablesaw injury pics.
@@michaelposey6529 My wife actually made me take back the table saw I had just bought at Home Depot and buy the SawStop. And she was right. If you're interested, you might want to join the SawStop Users' Group on Facebook. It's run by a SawStop employee, who's a great guy (Trent Davis). facebook.com/groups/sawstopusersgroup
@@TheNewbieWoodworker applied.
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From one TH-camr to another: gotta LOVE that moment at 8:12!
Very useful, thorough and use-able method/process for checking blade alignment Dan... nice! Best, Matt
Thanks, Matt. I was beginning to think you fell off the surface of the earth! You know what's funny about the backwards blade? I didn't actually notice I had it in backwards until I made the video (yes, I fibbed a little). I just got lucky that I didn't try to use it. 😛
@@TheNewbieWoodworker I once did the same backwards blade thing... but it was when I was giving pointers for proper use of a dado blade, wouldn't you know?! I tried to find the segment to link here but my selective memory seems to be working effectively. I've been wandering close to the edge of the earth but haven't slipped... yet! Best, Matt
@@NextLevelCarpentry 😄
Dan, I like these videos where you talk to us! Glad you are ok!
Thanks! I'm glad, too. 😄
My high school construction classes had saw stops, they seriously save limbs. Thankfully, no one I knew had close calls, but seriously I think every machine shop, wood shop etc in the country should have them. They stop life changing injuries
Thanks, and I totally agree!
Glad you didn't get injured! Love the table saw, shame it can't be purchased here in the UK 😡
P. S. Nothing wrong with you talking to the camera.
Thanks, I appreciate it. In fact, after having so many nice comments about my speaking to the camera, I'm doing it more often now. As for the SawStop JSS, I know they're coming out with the "JobSite Pro", and some of the changes sound kind-of like something that might have been done to appease the UK lawmakers. I hope so - time will tell.
@@TheNewbieWoodworker
I think a lot has to do with dado blade fitment, they're outlawed here on jobsites under health and safety regulations, but the same laws do not apply to domestic workshops, we also run 240v AC (jobsites need to be transformed to 110v, not law but recommended), I was going to import but all the table saws I've found in the US seem to be listed as 120v? And then the prices become ridiculous when you add on taxes and shipping plus no warranty 😒
@@Sly_Wolf_1 Thanks for the info. Kind of sucks. 😏
Glad you're ok.
Nothing wrong with reading the manual.
And you might want to consider using gloves for changing blades (not only for tablesaw)
Thanks, and of course you're right about manuals. I usually read them cover to cover. Gloves! Why do I keep forgetting gloves? Good idea, thanks. 😄
i never use gloves when using a saw or a grinder of any kind..
if i wear gloves when i'm using an angle grinder and the grinder gets a nib of my glove. it'll drag the rest of the glove in and cut off my fingers
@@victorhangaas6719 using =/ changing blade
@@victorhangaas6719 I meant that I should use gloves when changing the blade, not when actually using the saw.
@@ichliebeminecraft Yeah, that's what I meant. 😄Thanks!
Thanks for this video. I just bought the same saw last week at my local Rockler. I am also in Southern California and watching this video made me feel secure in my choice of this particular saw
I assume you're talking about the JSS, not the PCS, but in either case I'm sure you won't be sorry. I bought my JSS at Rockler, too. Enjoy!
I enjoyed the video as I have been setting up my new SawStop cabinet saw so I am going to send this on to my wife. She rolled her eyes when i showed her the price. You can't put a number on safety. I am glad that you were not hurt in the incident. John
Thanks John. It was actually my wife that wanted me to get a SawStop. Trips to the ER aren't a lot of fun. 😄
The advice people need to follow from your accident is not to buy a sawstop but to have your mind focused in the now when using a table saw. As yours wasn't while you were using it. Glad it helped you in the situation.
How about pay attention AND possibly buy a piece of equipment that can potentially save your digits. No one is infallible.
Thanks, Keith. But here's the thing - you can't always control your mind, or at least I can't. Read my blog entry on the subject: thenewbiewoodworker.com/2019/03/12/woodworking-and-add.html
@@SW-zu7ve Amen, brother. Amen.
Newbie, even the spindown is dangerous. I hit my thumb on my ShopSmith as it was spinning down and I was trying to remove a piece of waste wood before it locked in the blade slot. Was bandaged for 4 weeks and it took a long time to get feeling back in the end of the thumb.
Thanks for sharing that. Sorry you got hurt, but now I'm even happier I got the SawStop. 😄
I didn't realize that the Sawstop device was a "one and done" per incident. Totally worth it of course; but glad you educated me on that point.
Yeah, one-and-done is a good description. But you can send the brake back to SawStop, and if you triggered it with your flesh, as opposed to cutting metal which apparently they can tell by examining the brake, they'll send you a new brake for free. I wouldn't trust the blade anymore, though. If you use an expensive blade, you can probably send it to the manufacturer to check it and fix it. I did this once, and they did a great job. Can't remember which company right now, though. Bottom line of course is that I agree with you - totally worth it!
Excellent video sir! I am just getting back into woodworking with my son(21) and you do an excellent job of video and explanation!
Thanks! That means a lot! 😄
I know this in st the real pricing but I'd rather pay $1000 to fix my saw then $1000 to fix my finger and deal with the damage and pain.
Me too!
it's going to be easily over $1000 to fix a severed thumb
@@albertellwyn4891 Very true.
@@vocalthrower448 Let's keep the politics out of this, please.
@@vocalthrower448 Your finger?
I just bought the PCS to upgrade my ancient Craftsman saw. Wow, what a difference. The SS PCS is not just a safe saw, it's a precision saw and built like a tank. I couldn't be happier. Videos like yours confirms I made a smart choice. Well Done Sir.
Thanks, and I couldn't agree more.
Thanks for the video. This is the reason I like your videos. Truth and honesty. Being a real person who makes a mistake now and then and shares how things in life are.
Thanks! I was watching a video today on the "I Like to Make Stuff" channel, and he showed several mistakes, and I appreciated it. So I know what you mean.
What a sobering video that re-emphasises how dangerous any power tool can be if you only use 99% concentration and forget about the other 1%. Thanks for sharing and glad the Saw Stop worked. As commented below I live in the UK and when they become available here I will in one. I don't foresee any objections from my wife as she hates visiting the ER as well. Cheers, Huw
Thanks, Huw. I don't understand why SawStops aren't available in the UK. Things like that always confuse me. For what it's worth, I talked with a Woodcraft store owner recently - we were just shooting the breeze. He sells both Festool and SawStop, and you probably know that Festool bought SawStop last year. He said he thought that Festool would add the SawStop technology to their Festool-brand table saws, but would *only* sell them overseas. I wish I had asked him more questions. Anyway, maybe there's hope yet. 😄
@@TheNewbieWoodworker Thanks for taking the time for replying. I will go into my local shop that sells Festool and ask them if they know if or when Saw Stop will be available in the UK. Cheers, Huw
@@huwdavies5264 Let me know what you find out. I'm curious. Also, ask if they know why it's not available now.
@@TheNewbieWoodworker Will do. I'll add a reply under here when I've found out. Cheers, Huw
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Wow, just goes to show it only takes a second of inattention. Glad you were OK. I have the Job Site saw too and honestly would never use a table saw without this type technology. I am too accident prone to risk it.
Thanks. You and me both. It's just too easy for me to do something stupid. 😄
Glad there was no major damage to yourself. Informative. Very good and helpful to see a real life example of this system. I enjoy your channel.
Thanks! I appreciate it! 😄
Wow, seeing what the blade did to the brake, there's no question in my mind what it would have done flesh. Great video, thanks for sharing it.
Thanks, thats a good observation!
Thanks for sharing your experience. Some day I would like to buy a saw stop. I just have to save up.
Glad you're recording this from your shop, and not the hospital. Lol
Oh my gosh, me too! Thanks! 😄
Thanks for the reminder about table saw safety, regardless of whether or not you have a SawStop. I'm planning to upgrade to a cabinet saw or hybrid in the next year or so, not only for the larger capacity but for the reduction in noise level. Have you compared how loud the SawStop jobsite saw is vs the cabinet saw version? That's the main complaint from my wife when I'm down in my basement workshop.
Also, the only thing less manly than reading the manual is knowing exactly where the manual is. :)
LOL! I'll admit to that, but then again, it's right in the storage compartment, so it's not that hard to find. As for the noise - get this: I haven't plugged it in yet. With everything going on with getting the video done, and blogging, I've been doing things little by little. Got everything calibrated yesterday. I'll turn it on today. 😄
Glad you are ok. I have the same saw. Good to know that it actually works. In 2023 those brakes are $95.
Thanks. And thanks for letting me know about the price.
Good grief! Glad you are ok. Thanks for sharing your experience
Thanks! And I'm glad too. 😄
Thanks for putting this video out. It was really interesting. I'd always wondered what it would be like the bump into that saw stop. I seen the hot dog one but never a real example. Again thank you.
You're welcome. There's a TH-cam video where a guy actually intentionally touched the blade with his finger. Can't remember what it's called, but you can find it if you search for it. And he just got a tiny scrape.
Roy Underhill used a drumstick (chicken) at an appearance since he was in the South. The video might be on YT.
@@williambranham6249 th-cam.com/video/CX9nGSpoi8E/w-d-xo.html
@Austin Friedner If you want to pay for a new blade and brake, I might consider it. But honestly, there's enough videos that show this.
@Austin Friedner LOL, thanks for the clarification. 😄
Glad you're getting an upgrade! I LOVE my PCS! I got the 36" version, 3 hp. Kinda wish I had got the router table extension with it, but maybe a future upgrade.
Thanks! I thought about the router table extension, but eventually decided against it because I already have a full-sized router table, and it has a lot of drawers I use.
Glad you are ok.
I am a carpenter. Everyone I have ever met missing fingers lost them using a table saw. No one needs a saw stop. Keep your fingers away from the damn blade. Do not cut short pieces that can bind instead cut small pieces from longer stock. Don’t reach over a moving blade. When adjusting blade height don’t expose more blade than the amount of finger you are willing to loose . Use a push stick. Again keep your hands away from the blade. Every accident I have had or witnessed was from, being lazy, not paying attention or doing something stupid. Rarely is it bad luck. Unfortunately, if no one has taught you how to avoid injury bad experiences will. Also, I have noticed that the longer you go without injury the more likely you are to do something stupid. Be safe.
You say you've met people who have lost fingers using a table saw. Then you say no one needs a SawStop. I'm not forcing anyone to get a SawStop, however I'd argue that in fact, those people who lost fingers needed a SawStop. You also say that the longer you go without injury the more likely you are to do something stupid. Another reason for a SawStop. And of course injuries happen because of lack of knowledge, inattention, or stupidity. So what? That doesn't negate the need for safety equipment.
The Newbie Woodworker
Not at all. The saw stop is a great idea and it works really really well. If I had an indoor shop that used a tablesaw it would be a very good purchase. I work in the field and not in the shop. The contractors version is too bulky I don’t like the stand I don’t much care for the fence and at the price point it just isn’t worth it to me.
The point that I was trying to make though not very well is that the lesson that you learned from the injury or near injury shouldn’t be that you made a wise purchase but that you did something that you should never of done and that is what put you in harms way. You never should’ve reached over a moving blade that is the Takeaway. There are many other ways to injure yourself on a table saw that do not include being cut or losing fingers. I’ve seen people get hit in the face with pieces I’ve seen people get hit in the chest with pieces, and so on. Saw stop will not prevent kickback, binding, or protect your eyes.
When I wrote to keep your hands away from the blade it wasn’t to be a snide dick. And yes it’s painfully obvious. But as you found out it can be taken for granted.
Play safe.
@@evilsimeon Thanks for the clarification. Your reply is the exact reason I try (and sometimes fail) to not attack someone who I *think* is attacking me. I figure everyone deserves to be treated with respect, until they prove otherwise. But honestly, I was beginning to wonder about that philosophy, so thank you for being someone who's *not* being a dick! 😄
To your point, I couldn't agree more. I did already know better, and hopefully this is another reminder to me. Just because it's turned off doesn't mean it's safe.
As far as kickback is concerned, I have a video demonstrating kickback, and while I may have taken some foolish chances in the video, I learned so much on the subject that it was worth it. Riving knife FTW, for one. Anyway, thanks again for the clarification.
I've had my Sawstop for over 14 years and have set the brake off many times but never with my finger. Generally the blade is still good. However, they say that you shouldn't continue to use the same blade. I guess the lawyers think a carbide tooth might be loose or the blade might be bent. One time it happened on my Dado King and it did remove a couple of teeth. I sent it back to the factory and they braised new teeth on at a very reasonable cost. I sold my Powermatic to get the Sawstop and have never regretted the move. It's no wonder it's the largest selling saw.
Thanks for the comment. 😄
I was really lucky a few years ago. My hand slipped and my thumb went into my table saw blade (not a Sawstop). Went to emergency room got stitches and immediately bought a Sawstop. The blade didn't go deep and my thumb healed fine. Extremely lucky!
Mark Carter I am inclined to agree with you with about buying a saw stop, I just wish the price was not so steep. Or other manufacturers came up with same type protection. Perhaps the patent will run out and other manufacturers will follow suite.
@@TheFalconJetDriver I agree they're expensive, although I was surprised that the JobSite saw wasn't as expensive as I thought it would be. With that said, one trip to the ER would probably cover the cost difference! 😛
Talk about heeding a warning! Glad you weren't more seriously injured.
I wish they made one for a bench router. Got the top of my finger and tore it to shreds, not to deep and it's finally healed. Why doesn't sawstop make a brake when you switch it of. I hate waiting for it to run down. Even a drop saw has one. JD
@@JayDee-xj9lu Thanks for the post. I don't know the reason, but there's probably a good explanation.
Please don't underestimate yourself ! Very professional video !
Thanks! 🙂
A good rule of thumb (har har) that I use is no fingers within the "red zone" (the throat plate) unless the blade is stopped (not just powered off, actually stopped). When I do not want to wait for the blade to stop, I use a push stick to push the offcut out of the red zone so I can pick it up.
Great rule of thumb (very funny 😄), and normally I have the same rule. I don't know what came over me. 😳
That's all it takes, right? One second of inattention.
@@Toklat2011 Sure is. Scary, but true.
Great video and excellent reminder of how distractions can be significant.
Thanks! 🙂
Sooooo Glad you are ok Dan! Glad the saw did its job too!
Being half blind on the left side I can't always see where my left hand is. This is always a huge concern when doing anything period!!! It's been 3 years since I had my stroke which caused the blindness and I have just started using power tools again in the last 6 months and keeping track of the left side of my body is a must!
When I use my table saw now, I always turn to my left some so that the right side knows where the left side is and I never get my hands anywhere near the blade until I am sure that it has stopped spinning and at first I even lowered the blade after making a cut. It is not as a big deal using the cross cut sled but still the black area is still there on the Left side.....
Oh! Swinging a hammer is real treat, I know where it is starting the swing but the follow through of the swing is still iffy...lol Still we are getting back to doing projects... BTW it is getting warmer here in Indiana and I will be getting on to the Router Lift plans I bought off of you!
Take Care Dan, keep the fingers and the fath too!
Thanks, Bruce, and I'm glad you still have your sense of humor. It's the only way to survive trouble, in my mind. I can't imagine using a hammer that way! Not me, I can tell you - I like my fingers. 😄Good luck on the lift - feel free to ask questions.
@@TheNewbieWoodworker LOL, 3 words, (Needle Nose Pliers)... Thanks, if I do have any questions I'll be sure will Ask.... :D
@@BrucesWorldofStuff That makes total sense. 😄
You are very lucky Dan, it could have been a lot worse & I'm glad that you are OK. Very informative video BTW. Note to self: Always use push sticks, never rush & never try grabbing the wood before the blade stops!
Thanks. And yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes! 😄
Thanks for the video. I’ve seen a million videos showing the saw stop in action. This is the first I’ve seen of what to do after! Very informative! I’m subscribing to your channel 👍
Thanks! Glad to have you aboard! 👍
I've seen a number of Saw Stop demonstrations with a hot dog. Glad to see the brake works as well with real flesh. Those saws are built like tanks in order to be able to the absorb the force of the brake slamming into the blade. It would take a lot more than that to hurt those things. I hope you enjoy the new PCS.
Thanks, and true. There's even a video of someone triggering it on purpose with their finger.
This is Garry not Linda. Tiring of Saw Stop plaudits, I'm giving you five thumbs up for the arbor alignment method. I don't know where you got it or why you came up with it but the accuracy that brings to the table is phenomenal. It's the smack on the forehead and why didn't I think of that moment. I'm putting that one straight into my playbook and to use on my old saw, "the beast." It weighs something over around or above 400 pounds, made way before all the technology. The most reliable safety device is me!
Thanks Garry, and I get it, about the SawStop plaudits. I really do. As for the method, I actually got it from a book - I don't remember the name offhand, but I mention it in my "Table Saw Tune Up part 1" video, which was one of my earlier videos, so cut me a little slack. 😛
@@TheNewbieWoodworker This is Garry again. I wasn't giving you grief about the Saw Stop, I was referring to all of the comments. No one seemed to pickup on the alignment method you showed. To me that was worth a million bucks. Keep up the good work I'm always watching for your next video.
@@bassrun101 Gary - Thanks for the clarification. I hesitated about putting it in this video, but the video seemed awfully short without it, so I figured why not? Some people get it, some don't. It's all good as far as I'm concerned. 😄
I am grateful you were not injured. Good video
Thanks you! And me too. 😄
I always use some basic fabric work gloves when handling the blades.. glad your brake engages so fast .. I am so tempted to buy a Sawstop! I just love my Ridgid 4512 table saw.. but I am quite tempted to replace it just for the added safety all it takes is one goof.
Thanks for the comment about gloves. I'm trying to remember to use them, and hopefully I've shed enough blood that I'll remember from now on. 😄I know that replacing a saw you love is hard to do, but the cost of an ER visit, and the thought of losing fingers is a good motivator. 😄
@@TheNewbieWoodworker Yes indeed. My thoughts exactly, as well as someone in my family has lost a finger to a job site saw while on the job. I'm a hobbyist but I think it may be something my tax return may have to fund, plus my present saw is perfect and I can get a few hundred for it. Make some sawdust !
@@g.fortin3228 Personally, think those of us who don't do woodworking as often as the professional might even benefit from a SawStop more than the professional. On the other hand, I've heard from multiple job site leads who swear by the SawStop, because it's saved many employees. Anyway, enjoy!
You're going to love the PCS particularly the way you micro-align the blade with the slots and make sure you get the better the fence, well worth it.
Thanks for the real life video, I'm sick of seeing hotdogs. Looking forward to a review, assembly and alignment video on the PCS
Thanks, John. And if you're sick of seeing hot dogs, check this one out: th-cam.com/video/CX9nGSpoi8E/w-d-xo.html. I did get the better fence. The video will becoming, for sure.
Thanks for sharing this Dan. It's always when something is mundane that it happens.
It seems that way, that's for sure. 😄
I don't know anything about woodworking and I don't know why I am watching this but I enjoyed the video, very informational
LOL, thanks, and that's TH-cam for you. The next thing you know, you're watching a science video, not having a clue what they're talking about, but you can't turn it off. I'm that way all the time. I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Keep up the good work I’m learning woodwork nobody likes to hear there own voice . It’s a thumbs up 👍 from me ;)
LOL, thanks! 😄
I was about to complain about the $75 price for the brake cartridge, but I see that it has a computer on board. And if it has its own computer, as opposed to the computer being separate, I imagine it operates on the same idea of a car's airbag. The computer is expected to fry itself when it fires the squib, and I'll bet it also has an explosive device to actuate the brake. So it makes sense, I guess.
I think you're correct about all of that. Also, if I'm careful, I shouldn't ever have to pay the extra $75 anyway!
Subscribed and liked because of your genuine video (you admit to your difficulties with narrated videos) and because of the quality of your editing ( the spongebob references and the demonstration of why vertical videos are annoying). Great job !
Thanks! I really appreciate it. I try not to be totally boring, because I hate boring videos. Then again, I suppose it all depends on what you like and don't like. Thanks for subscribing! 😄
i think, one time, when i buy a table saw, i will buy one like yours. the saw stop is really impressing!
i do not know if you wear your wedding ring while working but i advice you (because of bad personal expiriance) never wear your wedding ring on your finger when working. if your wife get's mad, take a chain and wear it around your neck it is much safer than on your finger, you do not believe how fast you can stuck with a ring and ripp off your finger. some big wood board is sufficent, one unseen nail somewhere etc.
I totally recommend any of the SawStops. Well worth the price, and they're quality tools also. As for the ring, I know I shouldn't wear it, but I'll never remember to take it off. That's just not something I can remember. Here's hoping.
Dan, the blade break, my question is you have to replace the break unit, you can not reset it, it's a good feature I do like the system, it also costly but I guess if it's going to keep your fingers attached to your hand it's a good lesson to learn Thumbs up. No pun intended lol
Thanks, Alan. As for the brake, SawStop will replace the brake for free, if it got triggered by contact with "flesh". So the cost is pretty insignificant, especially considering I can still give a thumbs up. 😂
Glad you're ok.
Me too! Thanks! 😄
Word of advice-although the blade LOOKS usable after the brake fires, the force of the speed of the brake coming in contact with the blade has the potential to loosen the welds of the carbide to the saw body, hence micro cracks can form. Turn the saw on and wahala! A piece of carbide comes flying off the blade body at 3450 RPM. Save a finger, u think a few bucks on a blade and even with safety glasses potentially loose an eye. Always send a spent blade to be inspected and resharpened.
Thanks, and holy crap do you know how to paint a vivid picture! Fortunately I didn't even consider reusing the blade. I hope everyone else follows your advice.
My grandfather cut his fingers off twice, He had the guard off the saw, his board got stuck on the roller at the end of the saw he retch across the saw brung his hand back above the blade with it running when he brung his hand back it went into the blade. When he started teaching me carpentry he demonstrated it for me,He done it in 2009, I was 3 years old and I said (Papaw I want to be like you and cut mine off) I cut my thumb open with a bandsaw and had to have it glued together. The first thing he said to me when he was showing me how to use electric saws was (If you get hurt it is your own fault for not paying attention to where your hands are) I'm glad you okay after that incident.
Thanks for the story. It always pays to pay attention. 🙂
@@TheNewbieWoodworker My grandpa used to say (once you get cut your getting better but once you cut something off your an expert. Lol) He has had 9 heart attacks and a stroke he basically my father
@@Charles.Spillman LOL to the first, holy cow to the second!
@@TheNewbieWoodworker My real father was never in my life, in 2012 I had a seizure I was in a coma for a week my father left as soon as the helicopter arrived, But the rest of the family stayed they beat the helicopter in a drive that was an hour and half away
@@Charles.Spillman At least you've got some good family too.
I’m sure the sawstop saved you a trip to the ER. From the looks of the brake it looks like the blade was really slowed when it deployed. Mine tripped at full running speed and that break was mangled. Blade was a total loss. Anyone buying a new tablesaw shoul consider shelling out the extra cash for a sawstop. They are worth it for sure!
Thanks, and I agree 100% with everything you said. So many people say "I always pay attention, so I'm safe". They can't all be right, although I hope they are, because I wouldn't wish a table saw injury on anyone.
Glad your thumb's intact, Dan! 👍 Wonder how much more of a nick you'd have had if it hadn't been spinning down already when it braked? Probably only slightly more, seeing how the teeth dug into and were stopped by the soft metal of that brake pad. But don't demo that! 😄
Interesting arbor alignment technique, very inventive! My own involves having the blade installed and fully raised to extend the arbor diameter to the blade diameter, then putting a piece of aluminum channel (one of those cheap 8' edge guides for ripping) against the blade (actually against two of the teeth leaning in that direction) to extend that line further. The edge guide is wide enough that it shortens the distance to the miter slot sufficiently to check it with a common caliper micrometer, narrow enough to check its own width with the same micrometer, and long enough to extend the line of the blade the full length of the miter slot, multiplying any error as much as possible by allowing a check at both the front and back ends of the slot. Also the effect of any blade warpage can be discovered by simply rotating the blade and rechecking a couple times.
Thanks, and no, I won't be demonstrating that. At least, not intentionally. Good technique!
I am a complete amateur and made the decision to cease all use of my cheap table saw until i could afford the saw stop. Mainly because as a Chef my hands are my life. Heck I honestly could not justify not buying one. I was talking to the painters at work and mentioned it and the boss asked more and more about the saw stop and said the cost of blade and cartridge is cheaper than the increase in insurance for one incident that left a cut on a worker let alone the loss of a finger.
True enough. If it helps, when the brake is triggered by touching flesh, you can send the brake to SawStop and they'll replace it for free. Of course, you'll probably want a spare brake so you don't have to wait for a new one.
I did exactly the same thing. I shut the saw off and removed the wood. Contacted the very tip of the blade with hairline contact. The blade had maybe one-half inch of travel left. Nothing dramatic happened; just a little click. No! It couldn’t have!
It did.
The blade did not retract into the machine. No momentum energy in the blade to cause this. The only way I knew the thing had gone off was that the blade was absolutely locked.
Do not replace the blade/brake cartridge without wearing gloves. The blade is sharp and dangerous. Working to replace the blade/brake assembly without gloves is asking for trouble (experience here). But it’s an easy fix.
How much motion was left in the blade when I touched it? Essentially NONE. Absolutely no damage to the blade OR THE SAWSTOP BRAKE CARTRIDGE! Except the cartridge triggered. The cartridge looks perfect except for a few marks where the saw teeth hit it; ‘probably a unique damaged cartridge. However, it’s now just wall art for the shop. Replacement? $110. Oh well, ‘nice to know it works.
Good tip about using gloves - I've learned that lesson well. 😂
Great Video Dan I am glad you are not a frequent visitor to the ER, if only routers had a saw stop break.🤣
Wow a cabinet saw you are really going to enjoy that saw, it is like the difference between making a table saw with a circular saw upside down on OSB and placing it in a trash can to have a table saw. Just the sound of the motor alone will make better cuts compared to the direct drive you have now.
It is nice to see the operation of the saw stop and the change out of the cartridge from a real consumer point of view. And it is nice to know
That no hot dogs where hurt in this video.
Keep up the great videos!
Back in 1981 I was a passenger in an airplane crash, I was wearing a Casio watch the watch broke in half and the digital display continued to work. It reminded me of John Cameron Swayze that advertisements for Timex “ It takes a licked and keeps tickin) ( how is that for a blast from the Past?) I snail mailed it back to Casio along with story behind the watch they sent me a new watch however to my knowledge they never used it for an advertisement. I still have the replacement watch.
Thanks! I wish I had thought of that hot dog line! And I'm glad you survived the crash. I can't even imagine!
I remember my schools wood shop class had this saw. Someone set it off and the got suspended for doing it because it was so expensive to fix. Also, that same year someone lost there pinky. Rip to that kids pinky
Interesting. Thanks for sharing!
wow, thats one of those things you have and think you'll never need, but turns out you needed it. glad you had it, i'm sure it was well worth the cost of the saw to keep your digits
Absolutely! I belong to the SawStop Users' Group on Facebook, and every now and then someone will post a pic saying they joined the club.
Dan, thanks for sharing your experience. Good thumb save! The danger is always in the back of my mind when using such gear, and I have to remind myself to focus on what I am doing, keeping the danger in mind, but not occupying my thinking when cutting.
It occurred to me that your alignment method depends on how straight you have drilled through the piece of wood. As you say the shape of the piece doesn't matter but the alignment of the piece with the shaft does I think unless the piece is held fast on the shaft...damn, now I've confused myself!
Thanks! 😄As long as you pivot the board and measure in the same spot, even the hole can be crooked. But yes, you *do* have to use the arbor nut to hold it in place.
@@TheNewbieWoodworker I think I can see that now. Very good! Will use this method to align my table saw - cheers!
@@BenMitro Another option, which is actually my favorite, is to get this calibration disk: amzn.to/2OwwIbe. I like it because you can measure clear out to the edge, and it's really smooth.
Yay for no serious injury! Congrats on the new saw.
Thanks! 😄
First video I’ve watched of you, but it seems very well done! Don’t doubt yourself
Thanks, Zach! That's a nice thing for you to say. 😄
Your injury was worse with the blade not moving. You and I have the same saw and blade my friend. Glad you didn't lose a finger!
Thanks, and so am I! 😄
I'm glad your thumb is okay I was just watching a video the other day where a guy kept reaching across the blade to grab his peace and I kept thinking that what causes accidentsheck I was watching a mechanic one the other day were the guy was cutting right towards the web of his thumb with a exacto knife and he later came back and argued with people hey I've been doing that for years I've not cut myself yet I'm sure that's what the 14,000 people each year that severely cut their cells with knives say also so again glad you still have your thumb
LOL. One of the cool things about almost all the people who watch my channel, up until this video anyway, is that when they catch me doing something stupid, they let me know but in a nice way. And I really appreciate it. I think everyone should record themselves making cuts, and go back and see if they're doing something stupid. Sometimes you don't even realize it. And I get what the guy with the exacto knife was saying, but still, that one time, one slip, and those blades are REALLY sharp. 😮
@@TheNewbieWoodworker oh yeah I get with the with the guy with the exact knife meant also but just because you've done something for years doesn't mean you're not doing it wrong or unsafe one day my son was open your package I had to yell at him to get him to stop and then I pointed out too much of a knife with a slip even in the slightest he would have slit his own chest open sometimes we just don't think we were doing certain movements with something really sharp good luck with your channel
@@deepsquat600 Thanks! 😄
A guy with nearly 120K subs Should be able to afford a 3900 dollar SawStop saw. Subscribed.
I watched because I'm trying to convince myself that I need a SS saw. I'd rather have the Skilsaw
worm drive jobsite saw.. then I remember 2.5 fingers missing from my shop teacher's hand!
LOL, thanks! And my SS PCS wasn't that much, although if I'd gotten the 3hp version, it might have been. If you need any more convincing to get the SS, just remember the cost of a visit to the ER. 😄
Solid video!
Thanks! 😄
I always wear work gloves when changing blades...so I don't cut myself on the blade during the change. ;-)
Thanks, and I've got to remember that. Very smart! 😄
i started doing that when i accidently pinched my finger with the wrench and table while changing metal and metal hurt
@@niq872 Ow!
Been there and had to stop myself from moving cutoff pieces out of way. What you call not good video is high quality take it from a you tube aficionado. Glad you didn't get hurt. I think it says on the owners manual don't put your fingers on blade while moving...lol
Thanks, Bob, that's very nice! I'm beginning to think I need to start ignoring my perfectionism. All it does for me is increase my stress level. Sometimes "good enough" actually is good enough, you know? As for cutoff pieces, I need to remind myself to always have a push stick in my left hand. It keeps me from trying to grab the cutoff pieces. And dang! I should have read that manual. 😛
Dan you underestimate how good you are.
@@bobnicholas5994 Story of my life. But thanks for saying that. 😄
Newbie I like watching your videos, and have learned a good bit on tips and tricks for wood working as I am new to wood working. I would like to thank you for sharing your mishap video. Extremely glad you weren't injured. I have been looking at saw stop saws for a while, and have seen the videos of the weenie demonstration on there web sit. It is very impressive but to see and actual finger that has survived is even more impressive. Thanks again for sharing.
Thanks, Lewie! If you want to talk to actual SawStop owners, ask question, whatever, consider joining the SawStop Users' Group on Facebook, even if you don't like Facebook (like I don't). It's run by a SawStop employee, and he's a great guy. In fact everyone's great there. facebook.com/groups/sawstopusersgroup/
Disappointed I was looking forward to a breakdown of the actual costs to recover after failure. A tally and total, but it's ok just went back and jotted down what you posted individually. Thanks for your content
I almost did that, but since it's just the two items, and the cost of the blade depends on what blade you use, I figured I didn't need to recap it.
@@TheNewbieWoodworker didn't know if there anything else that gets damaged in the break etc when it engages. Been looking into one but haven't pulled the trigger yet.
@@jakesteel3641 Nope, just the brake. And from everything I've seen, it isn't normally that hard to get the brake out. The fact that I'm a magnet for Murphy's Law may have something to do with it. 😄You won't regret getting one. But if you're looking at the JobSite saw, you might want to check out my review first, just so you know what you're getting: th-cam.com/video/3zbYR5ok1V0/w-d-xo.html.
Hey, Newbie...since I didn't read any references to your graphics about "A few moments later", and the other ones, I will do so here. Can I assume that you have Grandkids that like Sponge Bob Square Pants ? These graphics look exactly like the ones from that show. I'm not knocking you, no...I think it's great and very funny. Sponge Bob is actually quite an interesting show with some very clever humor that young kids probably do not 'get', but the adults sure do. When my own now 12 yr. "young" Granddaughter was little, Sponge Bob was one of her favorite shows and she and I watched probably every one of them. I applaud you for your creative humor...way to go..!!
Thanks for the comment! Actually, my wife and I don't have children, let alone grandchildren, but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate SpongeBob! I was going to include audio also, but I didn't have any audio for the last one ("a few takes later"), and try as I might, I just couldn't do it justice myself. I appreciate that you "got it", and liked it. I'm smiling just thinking about it. 😄
Your video came up randomly but I thought I would just pop in and mention, if you didn't know. Saw Stop will replace the cartridge for free if you send it in, fill out the questionnaire and they can confirm that it was in contact with skin which caused the incident.
Yes, I did know that, but thanks! And did I actually leave that out of the video? I'm keeping the blade and brake to frame and put on the wall.
It looked like you did not use the blade guard or the riving knife when the accident happened. If you let the guard do its job your hands won't be at risk. The only time I ever remove my blade guard is doing dados and grooves. I glad it turned out okay.
I did use the riving knife. But I hate using a blade guard. Most of the time, I feel safer and more in control of the stock without it. But that's just me.
@@TheNewbieWoodworker I don't mean this in an antagonistic way, but while this seems to be a common sentiment, its completely flawed reasoning. People say they are safer and more in control when they can see whats going on. Your incident is of course a perfect demonstration of how that makes absolutely no sense. The only thing you need to see is the workpiece in contact with the fence. There is nothing to be gained by seeing the wood in the blade, as there is nothing you can do (or should try to do) to change whats happening in the middle of a cut short of keeping the workpiece tight to the fence.
Great video though, thanks for sharing your experience. Glad you've still got all your digits. And congrats on the new saw!
@@dblehar Thanks, David, for the way you said this. I just had a troll battle, and I could have easily misinterpreted your intentions, so you saved me from responding to you in a way I would have regretted. You actually make a very valid point, and I hadn't really thought about it that way before. I make no promises to change, but I will certainly give it some thought. My other issue with blade guards is that I have to take them off to use sleds, and I use sleds all the time. But I'll think about it. The engineer in me wonders if there's a way around that problem, with a different sled design. Hmmm. Anyway, thanks! 😄
@@TheNewbieWoodworker i have an excalibur overhead guard on my saw so it can stay put for everything. Added benefit is it really does a great job getting all the dust. I think SawStop now has a similar offering (if not the exact same thing) that goes with their cabinet saw. Of course another expense but I love mine, totally worth it.
@@dblehar Thanks. Since I just bought the cabinet saw, I might end up getting that too.
Another satisfied SawStop customer. So, uh, you really got room for that PCS cabinet? Can't wait to see the new video of it. Glad everything worked out, both for you and the saw.
Thanks! Yes, I have room for the PCS, but just barely. 😄If you want to see pics, check out my blog. thenewbiewoodworker.com/. I'm writing another blog post right now, and it should end with a picture or two of it in its new home.
Saw Stop's are great, glad your OK, i also have one and it will also trip with wet wood, mine did.
Thanks. Yeah, my one worry is I'll either forget to test wet wood first, or I'll cut an aluminum miter track and forget to use bypass mode. But it's still worth it. 😄
@@TheNewbieWoodworker it very much is worth every penny, be safe.
@@DesertBumWoodWorkn 👍
Love the on screen commentary. Did great job.
Thanks! I really appreciate it. 😄
Glad you are fine. So with power cut off to the motor and blade spinning due to inertia, the sensors are still working?! Then it has to have an auxiliary power unit to drive the brake cartridge to drop and jam the blade. That is seriously an outstanding design.
Thank you for sharing your experience.
Thanks! Actually, there's a power switch that turns on all the electronics, then a switch that turns the blade on and off. Kind of like booting up a computer, but a lot faster. 😄
With the blade power off, the cartridge stopped the blade as shown, but the trunnion did not drop as it is supposed to.
Is that what happened in your case?
@@sailorbill1908 Yes, that's what happened to me. But I just got a new SawStop PCS, and the manual that came with it is MUCH better than the one I got with the JSS, and it says that if the blade is spinning at top speed, or close to it, the blade will drop down. The implication being that if it's slower than that, it won't drop down. So I guess it works as designed.
It’s the quick loss in angular momentum of the blade that pulls it down below the table. So, less rpms, less angular momentum.
@@craigwilson4903 👍
I really enjoyed this video, and I also found it very informative, and to be honest, I think you're really good at talking to the camera, keep it up :)
Thanks! I really appreciate it, and I will keep it up, at least occasionally. 😄
I lost about 1/2 of my
Thumb because i didnt
Have the saw stop i also broke the thumb...
Thats not worse then
After it healed i had to
Have surgery for nerve
Damage every time i touched something it
Stung... Saw stop is the
One to buy !
Sorry about your injury. I hope everything works out for you.
Glad you’re safe ! Looking forward to get this stuff in Europe one day ...
Since Festool owns SawStop now, maybe your wish will be granted? I hope so, anyway. And thanks!
Yeah I'm waiting too
Festool plans to sell them here will be expensive tho
@@MrConminer Yeah, the cost will suck.
5:25 when your saw is more dangerous when not working then working😂
...or further proof that I'm an idiot. 😂
@@TheNewbieWoodworker sh** hapends it's a part of life
@@matocro8745 True that. 😄
I have a different model, but the same exact thing happened to me. I was cutting off a very thin piece. I shut the saw off and reached for the piece, and bang! I got a small nick. I do believe it would have been a serious injury.
Let’s lift a glass to SawStop.
Thanks, and I guess I'm glad to know I'm not the only idiot? 😛But absolutely, yes, I'll drink to SawStop!
If I were going to buy a stationary cabinet saw for a shop, I'd definitely consider a SawStop model because, aside from the blade brake, they are top quality saws in every other regard and not out of line price wise compared to other top end saws. They really gouge on the price of their jobsite saws though. There is no way the brake adds $800 to the price of the saw and that's about how much more they charge for theirs over even the most expensive next in line brand. It's too bad because a construction site is probably the place this would stop the most injuries. There are a lot of people using the saw and a lot of distractions.
Well, to be fair, their JobSite saw is pretty high quality for a JobSite saw. But I understand what you're saying. Of course, one mistake makes it worth the money anyway. 😄
Weird thing happened. I got my middle finger hit, and posted the video that I caught of it happening from my ring cam, that didn't do well, but my explanation video was posted in June 2019. A few weeks ago, it went 2.5 million views in about 2 weeks! Holy Cow.
Pat, that's awesome! You never know what will happen on TH-cam. Probably someone fairly well known mentioned your video, but honestly, it could be anything. I've never had anything go off quite like that, but I can imagine how you must have felt, especially since it wasn't even a new video! Talk about cloud nine! If you ever figure out why it took off, let me know. And thanks for sharing! 😄
@@TheNewbieWoodworker Well, I got up that morning. I had oatmeal with strawberrys and bananas, and 4 scrambled eggs. Some coffee. Hmmm. I ordered TH-cam premium a few days earlier. That would be weird, but coincidence maybe. I think I put a link on one site on youtube about the sawstop. Not sure what happened. But I got monetized. It didn't pay like the suggestions stated, but hey, It almost paid for 1/2 the saw, and I got the bigger one. BTW, you know if you hit it with skin, they give you a free cartridge?
@@homesculptor Wow, one video gave you that much revenue? That's great! I have the PCS now, and I put a banner on my fence that says "Thank you viewers", because they paid for it. 😄 Yes, I did know SawStop will give you a free cartridge if it hits skin. Very cool.
I know about machine geometry and alignment. Your method of determining the parallelism of the blade (plane of rotation) and the T-slot (line of reference) is spot on. It's a classic application of descriptive geometry.
It's true the use of a 1 x 4 as an extended radius made me cringe but you isolated your point of reference to a mark. I cringed again because I saw no obvious effort to ensure your miter gage was firmly seated to the same side of the slot for each reading. However your repeat zero and repeat result were within small limits so my misgivings were without grounds.
You done good if the approval of an interloper claiming expertise by mere say-so is worth anything.
I've heard testimonials and seen demos of the Saw Stop safety brake including the weenie test but remained skeptical. Your video has made me an advocate. I'm too decrepit to run power tools these days but people often consult me in matters of wood and metal work, machine tools, welding, etc. I'm putting the saw stop in the must-have column for safety features.
However I'm not too impressed with Saw Stop's right-tilt arbor as advantageous in a world where 89% of its woodworkers are right-handed. My considered opinion is right-tilt table saws best suit the ergonomics of southpaws who place the rip fence on the left side of the blade. Reason: bevel cuts and the off-cut trapped between angled blade and fence. I've seen whopper kickbacks on left tilt saws. In this lies the seeds of endless partisan debate best vented over beer and pizza.
Thanks for your comment, and I love your last line. You sound like me - with opinions, but perfectly willing to squabble with others about them, in a good-natured way.
And thanks for your validation of the method, although as I've said in other videos, I read it in a book, and it sounded good to me. 😄
As for the miter gauge not being secure in the slot, I completely understand what you're saying. The problem I've had in the past has actually been with the miter gauge tilting from side to side. So now I make sure the 2x4 jig is clamped down against the table, to prevent tilting.
Your comments about the blade tilt and the fence confuse me. It seems to me that:
1) Almost everyone normally places the fence on the right side of the blade, because the table is almost always wider on that side.
2) A right-hander stands off to the left side, to avoid kickback. Or at least they should.
3) The SawStop arbor tilts to the left, meaning it tilts away from a right-side fence, as it should.
So like I said, your comments about the tilt confuse me.
My mistake. Shoulda said "... southpaws who place the rip fence on the *left* side of the blade..." Dont know left from right. Next thing I'll be drooling on my bib.
I corrected the second sentence, last paragraph of my post.
@@OperaBass3 LOL. As I was typing my reply, I kept double checking my left and right.
@@OperaBass3 👍
Liked your video. I am looking forward to your video about setting up your new SawStop .
Thanks! You can also read about it on my blog, at thenewbiewoodworker.com.
Thank you for the time n effort and the upload,your videos are perfect fine and always better to see who the person is on camera 👍
Thanks! Maybe I'll learn to curb my perfectionism some, and do it again. Talk to the camera, not trigger the SawStop. 😄
Yup hope so, don't get me wrong tho, I enjoy all the videos, just Idk more personable or something along those lines when speaking to the camera. I'm don't know much at all when it comes to shooting decent videos, but just my preference that way tho. Keep em coming tho!
@@reddawgrup1779 I appreciate you telling me. My problem is, when the camera's running, I just become a mumbling idiot. This video was easier to do, because I had a story to tell - that's easier to remember. But I'll keep it in mind. 😄