Why Your Parents Suck at Texting
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Have you ever wondered why you parents are terrible at texting? Or why you seem to have different voices on social media versus email? In this video, Taha explores his typographical tone of voice on Twitter (spoiler: it's just a lot of commas).
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Because Internet: Understanding the New Rules of Language by Gretchen McCulloch
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THE FAKE COMMENT WAS THE BOTTOM ONE!
LETS GO IM SO SMART
It was the "u" instead of "you" for me
I watched the vid without scrolling down and yeah, the bottom one with the 'u'.
hey i actually got it correct :D
The use of “u” instead of “you” is the one that gave it away for me
Not sure if it’s just me... or do other people ... also have friends who are in their fourties... that always type with so many... ellipses...
i started doing it ironically but now its so convenient
idk... maybe...
It's "um". Ellipses is "um...". 😂
I really love the use of ellipsis. I text the way I speak, and those three little dots are a very clear way to show that I paused to think about what I'm about to say. I think a lot of text sounds very certain of itself, given that the reader doesn't see the pauses that the writer took to think about what they're saying. I want to bring that in, to make sure that you understand that I'm putting thought into it, and sometimes even struggling to put my feelings into words.
I definitely overuse ellipses. I'm trying to cut down on it though, since I as a teacher need to communicate with my students (who are around 16-18). And apparently, while I use the ellipsis as a way of "softening" a sentence, like letting it "trail off", or to add a pause… They have wildly different interpretations. But I mourn the loss of the ellipsis, because I think it's so very useful and I've yet to see a cross-generationally functional alternative.
Just talked with my mate about how I texted my mom about getting a good grade in my first uni course and she replied "great."
rip. i think you did a good job and im proud of u ❤
In real life that would be a fine response, especially if they say it in an excited tone, but through text the tone doesn't come through
@@muhilan8540 yeah, and it's not even an exclamation mark. In fact, the period just makes it worse than if it wasn't there 😂
My Mum did a similar thing once! I'd got two marks off full marks in some history coursework and she replied 'good one'. -____-
My sister tested negative for coronavirus today and my mom responded to her text about it with "yay."🤣🤣🤣
My mom's first text was to my brother, and I guess she hadn't figured out how to put in spaces. So it was just "doyouwantabakedpotato?itsonthetable"
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@@bookerrobinson5679 ithinkitalreadyis
@@bookerrobinson5679 I actually haven't seen anyone use that text style, it's too illegible to use most of the time
@@nyahnyahson523 my aunt actually used a very similar style LikeThisBecauseItMadeMoreWords fit in one text and that would be cheaper lol
@@nyahnyahson523 IuseitwhenImwritingstoriesinordertoshowthathecharacteristalkingreallyfast.
This is not Sabrina, this is "~ s a b r i n a~"
Does that make sense?
makes you sound like a child nabber
so yeah you passed
I thought it looked more like Sab,,, rina
sabrina kinda looks different idk if it’s just me
idk maybe it's new glasses ??
@@answerinprogress did you get a new haircut? i think that’s it, it looks nice!
I swear, she hit puberty or something.
@@answerinprogress Hmm..maybe
@@answerinprogress Yeah suuuuuuuure Sabrina, do you really think we're going to buy that?!? We all know you're just a robot built by big corporations1!!!!!1!1!1!! (Loved that video ahaahhah)
"the way i talk online isn't immature, its actually a highly advanced literary style" i am quoting this for my English class!
I found one of the hardest things to teach was how to know when to use what style. Yes, your sentence was real, but you can't write like that on the state test. My painfully old person texting (and writing here) is made worse by the fact that I was an English major, LOL.
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@@jaxonsevero1045 nah just some one who likes them
@@mgailp
This is the real takeaway that us English teachers have to instruct. We need to validate students' ways of expressing themselves while also teaching that there's this other way of doing things that they need to learn that is very useful in specific contexts that they'll encounter several times throughout their lives (and for many continuous years).
@@WMDistraction I highly recommend Gretchen McCulloch's _Because Internet_ if you don't already have it - it's a linguist's look at how informal written styles have developed with increased communication over the internet.
I also find it fascinating how texting conventions blur into SPEECH, such as finding myself saying 'lol' at times, and folks just roll with it.
Lol was supposed to mean that you are actually laughing, but now it seems to be used for things even if they are only mildly amusing. So literally saying lol could be used for something that is funny, but not funny enough to actually, laugh. out. loud.
@@tharobiiceii like only 2 times that i've said lol I've actually laughed
I typically use lol as a like momentarily amused thing i guess? Like that’s funny but also i diddnt really react. Normally when i actually laugh i just go ‘pfft’.
@@tharobiiceiibro went into fornal writing mode lol
@@androgynousblob4835pfft to me sound to me like "boriing" lol
another thing i think a lot of us do is type in all lowercase partially for the aesthetic but also partially so we can capitalize words for Emphasis
yeah i usually am too lazy to capitalize correctly when texting (I'm German, so every noun is capitalized), only when I'm trying to come across as serious (talking to supervisors or explaning stuff I know something about for sure) or if I'm anonymously posting something on the interwebs 😂 yeah I want to make an impression on those that don't know me as a friend
emphasis is SO good in text
loook! i just used capitalization for emphasis!! :D
ya i agree, i also dont use punctuation at the end of sentences
there's the aesthetic of lowercase typing, for sure, and additionally there's contextualizing that aesthetic on different parts of the web, where lends it a different tone. i think nothing of lowercase typing on some old livejournal communities where it's all but expected. but seeing lowercase typing on linkedin? damn.
I can capitalise the Words for EMPHASIS too, though - without writing in all lowercase. It is most certainly, Possible, a Thing that one can Do, formal or informal, it can be Done.
The way parents adapt to informal writing is so interesting my dad texts like he’s writing emails but my mom goes the other way on the formality scale and uses emojis for everything
Yesss, my mother is on that bitmoji grind and i love it 💪
@@answerinprogress my 80 year old NAN uses bitmoji 😂
@@answerinprogress my 80 year old NAN uses bitmoji 😂
My mom once told me how she almost said "lol" aloud once and it scared me
The robot uprising is secondary, the parent slang uprising is the primary threat
I'm sure there's a men and women aspect to that. Emojis denote a less aggressive or casual/friendly tone vs a straight forward more formal tone and I find many women use emojis in a business sense compared to my experiences with men in a business sense.
Someone pointed out to me that younger people online tend to not use periods in general and now I'm HYPER AWARE of how unnecessarily often I used periods 😬
My friend group usually uses periods to communicate when they're upset
I'm one of the few people in the group of people I know who uses periods for nearly all of their texts. And I just became legally considered an adult less than a month ago. Guess I'm just weird.
I recall multiple instances where this one particular friend would end her text messages with periods and it would make me pause and feel oddly a bit hurt, but then I remember her saying to me in person that she is always grammatically correct when she texts. It’s important to remember that each individual has their own grammar rules when speaking as well as informally writing.
On the other hand, I've had too many situations online where not having periods made messages sent to me mean the opposite of what the person meant to say ... Though I'm probably more in your boat of using them more than I need to?
I use periods inbetween sentences when writing a longer text, but not at then end. So like, this one doesn't get one, usually
Ok, so I know the thumbnail says “why parents text weird,” but for a split second I thought it said “Why text? Parents weird.” And that’s honestly infinitely better in my eyes 😂
why text? parents weird, they so weird!! we should focus more on them lol
So I'm awkward in person and now the online community I've been a part of for the past 23 years is just gonna decide my typing is awkward too. Fantastic.
This comment isn't awkward though! In a very concise and humorous way you successfully express how you feel about this kind of judgment of your style of text-based communication, and while sarcasm is sometimes lost in text, it certainly wasn't in this case!
I don't think that any person that will die on the hill of defending a series of commas instead of ellipsis, never using capitalized letters, and avoiding punctuation because it's too "aggressive" has any ground to stand on when it comes to criticizing people who are a bit more formal or traditional in their style of communication...
It's kinda like showing up in PJ's on casual friday and making sure everyone wearing jeans that day knows that they, in your opinion, aren't as good at dressing casually. It's just really silly lol.
Context matters. If someone is always wearing a suit, a t-shirt and jeans is pretty casual. If someone uses proper punctuation and capitalization in casual conversation all of the time, it's kinda weird to read something into it other than it being how they prefer to communicate in text. It's good to have things that we all agree on to communicate things efficiently, but there is something about correcting language or communication in some settings that just rubs me the wrong way. It's often where a lot of ageist and racial bias, as well as entitlement, comes to play.
I type how I talk and I talk awkward as my first language so.................
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Same.
I always type with mostly-correct grammar and capitalisation (with the addition of some purposeful changes like never putting the comma inside the quotes, instead only quoting verbatim), and often end up writing things like an essay, and I think sometimes people interpret it as too formal.
I wouldn’t worry, being awkward online doesn’t really mark you out as different - it’s kinda normal really
My Dad loves to Capitalize Random words In his Sentances and put a Space before his Question marks ?
Is your dad jaden smith
I actually like the space before the question mark. It makes me think of someone doing that exaggerated high pitch at the end of a question, as opposed to just asking it normally.
Sometimes when I’m asking a question that’s not urgent or just... kinda not really a big deal but I’m curious. As in “can you pick up eggs at the store?” Verses “not that big of a deal, but mind picking up some cookies ??” Like a pause lmao
This is exactly how I type too haha
I'm a millennial and I often do that with question marks, or I try to avoid using them unless I can't get around it. Never really thought about it, but I suspect it's because I get anxious about asking people things. As for the capitalization, I've seen that with boomers quite a few times and always wondered why some people are so into it.
This is somewhat related to the video, but does anyone else find themselves mirroring other people's writing style? If I'm in a convo with a friend who says lol instead of haha, I'll find myself switching to lol. If I'm texting my mom, I use proper punctuation and grammar because she does. I just think it would be an interesting experiment to see how naturally people could fake each other's informal writing style after texting them for an hour or so, perhaps without knowing that they were going to be asked to fake the writing style so they wouldn't be trying to study it or anything. Great video!
Yes, exactly! I also switch between writing styles when texting different people. The changes happen in the emoji, sentence structure, punctuation, tone of the message and the level of sophistication areas. It’s interesting, but the more I get to know someone, the more comfortable I am with writing in my own style. Plus, I noticed my friends do that as well! They write things I usually text them, so that’s also interesting. ALSO! It depends on the language I’m writing in! I’d type this whole comment completely differently in my native language lol
I'm pretty sure that'd be considered like code-switching or something. I have found myself picking up features of other's texts like how I'm putting periods instead of just a long list right now. Also, about three years ago I didn't even know what "XD" meant (I originally thought it was referring to "Disney XD" instead of it being a laughing face) and now I use it in every other sentence basically. Tis a very fun and interesting how our brains work, psychology is immensely entertaining and wonderous
I've noticed a friend of mine and I trying to mimic each other's writing styles, so we end up just flipping through different styles in our conversations. It's a very interesting experience reading through our chats.
@@cadborosa I actually had to find out myself (by searching online) what things like "lol" and "XD" meant (and since I was 8 and didn't know as much English as I do now, I had every right not to be aware), but I soon found myself using them more because of the internet and of course - my friends 😁
I don't think I do it much, but it seems like a natural extension of what people do when speaking in person.
for some reason reading "how are youuuuu?" sent shivers down my spine idk if its just a me thing but if felt like the person DEFINITELY does not actually want to talk about how you are lmaoooo pain
I know exactly what you mean. I see "how are youuuuu?" and I immediately think "this person is asking me that as an excuse to talk about themselves. on MSN."
My granny got a smart phone for the first time fairly recently… she only had a wallphone before, and would regularly send us mail… and when she learned texting it was really cool seeing the transition… she would try to fit an entire conversation within one short text, everything was properly capitalized and punctuated, and best of all, she ended all her texts with “-love granny ❤“
I think the first one is the fake tweet, simply because its the only one where the I and I'm are capitalized. The rest of them have exclusively lower case letters.
its also the only one that use "I'm" whereas the other ones all use "i am"
I feel like this might be too obvious, he’d probably have made that a rule, no?? 🧐
my thinking too, might be too easy tho
Good catch!
also who tf capitalises “10KG”
Every time I click on a video on this channel I’m amazed at how this channel has evolved over the years. It’s beautiful to witness.
I'm here since the "why the SAT still exists" video and even I am amazed. Ps. I never even made a SAT we had citos...
@@noodle_typhoon I arrived sometime just before she talked about her first celebrity crush being Val Kilmer 😂
@@zinja0830 well can't blame her... /nohomo lol
I type out like 70-100 words in a text explaining something, only to get a ''ok'' reply from my mother.
Why do I even bother 🤧
it might be her phone. does she use a flip phone?
Your dad just put a period instead of a question mark. "How are you? How are things there?" Instead of "How are you. How are things there."
On one hand, 100%. On the other hand, I see this a lot with less-online people--punctuating questions as sentences. I'd love to figure out where that's coming from. In the workplace, a request "Could you do this for me," but ending with a period? Seems *real* rude.
@@TheWordsmythe You wouldn't want a politely worded command at work to do something to be interterpreted as optional, would you? Which is why "Please do this task." is phrased that way if its a job instead of "Could you do this task for me?" which is for outside the job description, a favour and optional.
I see no rudeness in making sure the optional/not optional unless you want consequences distinction in a work environment shouldn't be clear, otherwise you might have to explicitly say the always underlying implicit threat, which is gauche.
The difference lies in whether "No." is an acceptable response - always acceptable in the second instance, never acceptable in the first instance.
Clear communication for the win.
And he didn't even question it, not even when listing possible alternative ways he would have written it haha!
@@blumoogle2901 I think the clear phrasing is "Please do this task for me." and not "Could you do this."
@@TheWordsmythe Sometimes I ask a question and accidentally hit period instead of question mark. But I’ll go back and correct it before it doesn’t make sense.
I really like that Sabrina's friends have now become part of her youtube channel :-)
she has the best friends. i am jelly
wait that wasnt sabrina??
@@sofiaoliveira799 no, of course not. Evidently (given the beard), it was Sabrino 🙄
The over use of commas is getting to me on a personal level
Yeah, it's pretty annoying, ngl.
Wow, this actually explains why my Dad gets so insecure about how to write when he's texting my uncles or when he is texting my sister and he very frequently asks me if the thing that he's gonna send is right. I have to admit that I often get annoyed by it but this video really made me understand him and I'll be more patient with him in the future. Thanks a lot!
aw, this is sweet.
Who in the world uses multiple commas or tildas in texts? I've never seen that before, and I'm a millennial.
we use that a lot on stan twitter...
Y’all Milennials are like late thirties, and with the rapidity moving internet speech we don’t expect you to always get it. Also it’s not everyone’s ✨personal taste✨
@@alexajackson3655 I'm a millennial and I've been tracking with the evolving internet speech since I was 12 back in y2k- when typing LiKe tHiS didn't even mean sarcasm yet. afaik the sarcasm in it now is derived from mocking ourselves from back then, the way we thought it was somehow innovative and quirky to put in the effort for full sentence like that 😂😅😳 unless I've just always been a dork,,,, WAIT😱
tl;dr ~ respecc ur barely olders mate ~ 😌😌
varies from person to person tho
Naiadryade, “😂“ strange seeing that emoji in not a sarcastic, mocking, setting lol.
@@alexajackson3655 I was mocking ✨myself✨ you see
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Tom Scott did a video a while back on "phatic expressions" that takes an interesting view about this as well. Basically, phrases like "you're welcome" and the like don't have much meaning outside of the basic politeness they convey, and these things change generationally (and even within generations)
Also, I feel like these rules are a lot less universal than you make them out to be here. Like I see where they come from, but it might be more central to your particular circle than you might think.
So agreeing on your second point. Tilda usage seems to be much more common amongst anime/manga communities, and I've yet to see consecutive commas by younger gens, as I only see old people use them on Facebook (and I assume they don't even know about it).
The fact that his close, same-age friends were laughing at his style guide and it's use of punctuation is really all you need to know.
Since I never used Twitter, did not know double commas were a thing. -- since I've not yet looked at the style guide, I don't think I yet understand them. Thank you for sharing. Double commas always meant missing data in a column of a CSV file to me before now.
ooof so I'm someone who would be considered older, and I have to say that this goes both ways. When someone sends me multiple messages back to back, like how you used the "How're you? How're things?" from your father is something you'd send as multiple messages, for someone like me, that comes across as obnoxious and needy. The messages are so short that one message would suffice. This might also be related to people such as myself being in my 40s being limited both on the number of characters that could be in a text message as well as being charged for every message sent, so it was to your advantage to send those two sentences together. A lot of people in their 40s like myself tend to just text like we talk but with what would be considered proper grammar, so periods, commas, etc. It's not rude, it was just considered the correct way of writing when texting was new.
I agree. Each time someone sends a message, it makes my phone/watch buzz. Sending four messages in rapid succession interrupts or distracts me four times. Taking a moment to compose a text with everything you intended to say is more polite IMHO, with one PS allowed because we all forget stuff. To me, it seems way easier to just use periods in the middle, though I use fewer at the end now than I did several years ago.
I read somewhere that young people (i'm 39) apparently consider the ellipsis (…) to mean something completely different. To me, it's used primarily to either mean [trailing off] or just as a way to approximate a slight pause. To them, it seems like it means like sadness, confusion or frustration. This definitely made me hyper-aware of my overuse of ellipsis… =)
That’s interesting. I’ve never really thought about the youth‘s use of it (I’m 29 so I think we‘re likely the same generation and I agree, ellipsis is like when you lose your train of thought or are thinking/a pause in thought etc). I’ve seen it used in ways that make zero sense to me but I those times I just kinda put it down to kids on the internet being ignorant. Which is totally wrong, it’s just the evolution of language I guess! But it would be good to have some lil zoomies get in here and confirm what ellipsis means for them haha
@@eilzmo gen z here. OP (original poster) is right in that to us, ellipsis *usually* conveys sadness, disappointment, pity or something similar in that sort of negative realm. (Example: "sometimes you do things that I can't accept anymore... you say things that hurt me and I can't just... keep being okay with it" or "jeez...") although even then, they're sort of rare. They've been - from what I've seen and my own experiences - replaced mostly by double/triple commas. Then again, we sometimes use elipses as the typed embodiment of 🤨 or 😐/😑. There are so many variations depending on what circles you're in and what forums/apps/communities you participate in that there isn't necessarily one set answer.
At least in my circles, to convey the breaking up of thoughts you would generally use ,, (example: "you know,, I don't think I like apple juice that much?? It isn't really,, my kinda thing??") 2 question marks /+ 2 commas would be used instead of 1 to sort of,, soften?? The text and make it seem less confrontational/authoritative and more as if you're just thinking out loud and being friendly. Alternatively, using 'send' where you'd put elipses/a full stop is also an option. Most people tend to do this because it's less likely to be called odd 💀 (
@@alliegodfrey2726 Why the use of multiple commas though? Like what is the supposed difference between "you know,, I don't think I like apple juice that much" and "you know, I don't think I like apple juice that much". One comma is enough to indicate a pause in speech and thought. What does the second comma add?
@@ThePoorWyou know, that's a really good question, haha! You'd be completely right, but I guess the best way I could explain it is that two commas might be used to make it more informal? It makes grammatical sense with one comma, so of course it could be written like that, but in a strange way two commas might evoke a different tone to that created by one comma.
That, or I've been operating within circles that use that sort of logic for so long that it makes sense when it isn't supposed to 🤦 Either way, I hope that answers your question!
@@alliegodfrey2726 I always read ✨as jazz hands
Literally never encountered this tilda usage. Weird.
Same, I think this is that ~aesthetic~ side of social media that I've never used.
Super common on tumblr and some places on reddit-- the places where people are more anonymous maybe?
If you've been in fandom pages on the internet, you'd definitely encounter examples of the tilde a lot.
I used to use tilde this way to end my messages on my role play accounts as a way to indicate which character I'm impersonating.
~ Kurariyon
I’ve only seen it as flirty.
I add it to sound nice. Like this~!
Dang. I always thought the two comma thing was just someone trying to be super annoying. Now I know that they are trying to sound nicer whilst sounding super annoying.
huh, even as an extremely online gen z, I have never seen a single person use multiple commas as punctuation... very interesting.
YES THIS IS IT! I've been searching for a way to explain what a "typographic footprint" is to my friends, but I ALWAYS get choked up on my words. This video is the ONE
I’m now wondering why I text like an old person but am actually a 14 year old girl.
Glad to know I'm not the only one who does that!
I'm an older millennial and I wouldn't text like that. Seems to much of bother. Punctuation just works. At worst I don't capitalise things that auto correct doesn't catch and that's about it.
The only one of my very young friends who texts like an old person (and worse) has Asperger. It took me awhile to get used to his completely emotionless style. I've had more expressive conversations with AIs learning how to chat. Oh well, that's just how it is for some people...
and here i am, 30 yrs old and people online keep telling me to shut up coz i'm "just a highschooler who doesn't know anything" whenever i pipe up about language and writing. so... apparently i sound like a kid online O.o
i feel bad for kids online coz adults are sometimes kinda mean just coz they think they're older and that make them smarter by default.. so maybe sounding older is a good thing :/ you avoid the insults..
(extra irony in my case; people tell me i know nothing about language and writing when i'm multilingual and have a degree in english lit and creative writing)
@@AmberyTear having autism isn't bad.. don't know why you put worse
My parents often use ellipsis (...) when texting me and it makes me feel like they're really mad or disappointed, but that's just how they text lmao
I think it's that for younger people they write as if they are talking
But for older people it seems they try to either do it as if they're writing a letter
Or they try to represent everything with 100s of emojis
i started using "sksks" ironically n then i caught myself sksksk-ing at a meme,,,, it's interesting how what we read infiltrates our lexicon kjskskssk
I ended up using 'lol' and 'oof' outside of texting. It's so weird.
@@FelicityUwU stop :(
i’m trying so hard not to unironically start crytyping (I’m assuming that’s the name for it but I’m probably very wrong- the ,,, and/or keyboard smashing thing) -(aka literally what you’re doing)- and it’s not working
@@thatoneguy9582 skskskjsks honestly i have no idea what's ironic and what's my personality anymore
@@redwoodenjoyer im trying, but it doesn't always work
i’m pretty sure the impostor is the first one bc that tweet capitalizes “I’m” whereas the other ones don’t
Finally someone who thought the same as me
it's gotta be a red herring surely
I'm not thinking that's suspicious.
I generally write pretty formally when I am texting my friends. They describe me as rather dry when I text. That's the way I like it.
It's _really_ uncomfortable for me to write without periods. To me, ending a sentence without one is not a "neutral" tone, it's a "I don't know what tone this is" tone which is _very different._ Even worse, people sometimes split up sentences over several messages, and I have _no idea when they end._ That can often lead to misunderstandings, or to me "butting in" in-between sentence fragments because I thought the sentence was over.
Genuinely, how do people solve this last issue? 'cause I see it happen _all the time._
I'm 30 and spent a LOT of time on MSN, is my perspective. A period at the end in my circles was seen as like, potentially stern, or maybe mad... depends on the person and their writing style. Some always used periods, so they essentially didn't participate in that element of the language.
When ya mad, it's just harder to not use a period, without even thinking about it, so it was often a good telltale sign.
I never vibed with split up messages as far as sending like 5 separate messages. I always took the time to formulate my words how I wanted them, and always a proof-read, rather than blasting out messages.
If I want my sentences spaced out, I'll use paragraph spaces.
i just don’t care if people butt in half way through lmao. go for it. add to my thoughts. ill finishing saying what i have to say and then add on information if it’s relevant to what you said. also keep in mind people will see that you replied before they’ve finished so if they then misunderstand your reply, that’s kinda just on them, like, clearly you didn’t have all the information back then. if your thoughts change you’d obviously let them know.
ooh fun pragmatics very interesting talk more about linguistics in the future please
me rn, writing a video about punctuation 👀
@@answerinprogress ooh talk about the history of punctuation!!! very interesting.
I'm liking the beard sabrina!
Does anyone else's mum read your texts and assume you're responding with an attitude? She just reads it with that tone of voice in her head
Great video but I’m still upset he didn’t feature my tweet about Dream and Cavetown,,, orange juice
Using punctuation to denote tone of voice really only works if people know what you mean though. I see all the ,,, and I just assume your keyboard is messed up or something. I have no idea what it's supposed to signify. Related note I really like the layout of your kb and I noticed Sabrina uses the same one, what is it?
see, i'd never assume a keyboard is messed up after seeing ,,, because that doesn't make sense to me. messed up how? it's a tweet, chances are it was on a phone OR computer, how would a phone mess up like that? keyboard issues aren't my first thought coz there's a 50% chance i'm thinking about the wrong device.
the thing is, within the circles we most closely associate with, we learn what those are, and we often learn each other's individual quirks too. that said, despite those smaller circles having more specialized in-jokes etc, most of the ones used commonly online are.... well... common online.. except for ,,,
@@Nezumi-- I'd assuem it was a tpyo :))))
Somehow here 21 seconds when it was posted. Already know its gonna be a great video!!
🏃🏃🏃 dang, you zipped over here quickly. hope you enjoy !!
One advantage of formal writting is that it conforms to certain standards. Most comments on TH-cam are what you'd call formal and thank God because otherwise it would be a total mess.
2 things to say:
1 - i absolutely LOVE the editing in this video, wow
and 2 - something i LOVE about people's "typographic footprints" is that you (or at least i) tend to pick up parts of other people's.
for example, i always used to capitalise 'i's and the first letter of sentences in texts and online, but i noticed my sister didn't, and i thought "huh, i like how informal that looks", so i stopped doing it, and it stuck.
sometimes it happens subconsciously too, like i saw a couple of people online use "~" for "whimsy" as you call it, and now i do that too, but i hadn't even noticed until this video.
and my absolute favourite thing about "typing quirks" (that's what i would call them, same as a typographical footprint really) is when someone takes on part of yours - like a certain thing you always include in texts - and they start doing it too, consciously or unconsciously. it always makes me smile
Daaaamn I just want to say that the editing and animation on this episode is so so good just want to appreciate that
Even texting millennials is weird.... I have to remind myself to read the texts in their voice or else it just all sounds blunt and sarcastic.
you mean to say millenials are not always blunt and sarcastic
i mean about one half of that is correct
-also i see that ellipsis-
I have to do the same with Gen Z because sometimes without enough punctuation, I can read the sentence in multiple ways.
I'm the only person from my friends who capitalises I and words that need capitalization. I'm also the only one to put commas into a comment. It's for my own satisfaction tbh.
As an English major, I text like an old man. Only with a little bit of emotional flair~
Sabrina your voice sounds a little deeper today. Lol, love ya Sabrina and Taha!
you should have sent your style guide to your parents and asked them to impersonate you on twitter
I tend to avoid sending two thoughts as two texts for technological reasons. When sent as one message they can see the entire message in their notification or on their watch. With more than one they can't.
Also, when I started texting, one had to pay for individual messages. There was a financial incentive to communicate with a minimally sufficient number of messages.
Exactly. When texting first developed, you got your entire thought down in one message for a reason. It also prevented annoying cross communication, where the other person replies while you're still typing the second message. At least now the new phones show that the other person is still typing, but even just a couple of years ago, too many times things would derail because people just couldn't wait for the entire thought to come in multiple texts.
I might be an early gen Z but I still suck at expressing emotion through text, especially when it comes to sarcasm. Likely because using a lot of the common ways to express emotion require too much extra effort, like capitalising every second letter for sarcasm/mocking tone, using more than 5 types of emojis (unless I'm trying to sound sweet to my family or smth), etc., so I have replaced a lot of the normal expression methods with things that are expressive to me but not other people, like punctuation marks and filler phrases. Great to express the way I tend to express my emotions irl but not very helpful in actually communicating feelings to others
I am want you consider an extremely online person
*Basically, I tweet a lot.*
put it on my gravestone
The thing is, I've been communicating via IM and such since at least high school in the '90s, I'm rapidly approaching middle age, and despite having been aware that various parts of this are true since I was an adolescent, I still refuse to write in anything less than formally complete thoughts and sentences. That has nothing to do with my generation; there's a lot of personality and personal choices wrapped up in *not* writing like that, too.
I am in Gen Z and write pretty much the same, though sometimes with a few modifications like occasionally using emoticons/kaomoji; and almost always putting the comma on the outside of quotations instead of inside of them in order to have everything inside the quotation marks be quoted verbatim.
taha: Welcome to TH-cam! TH-cam: Here is an Ad.
The way text speak has become its own language is so freaking cool. Being able to show sarcasm through a written word instead of tone of voice is sOoOOo CoOL. iTs jUsT tHe bEsT.
Get my point?
I'm thinking that the fake one is the "youtube is down,, i am free".
My reasoning is that because that's the one we've seen before, it's as a means of subliminally making it seem more "real".
I also considered the last one that was about hungry, since it definitely goes heavy on the punctuations. Which I assume someone trying to be Taha would do but I'm unsure about it.
Kinda like how psychologists talk about priming
I have been a technophile all my life, but I also have hypergraphia and love writing extremely long winded messages, articles, blogs, posts, and random comments. Something about the latter makes me extremely formal in my writing, but I still suck with punctuation in general. I eventually got to the point where I couldn't stand texting, and learned to connect my phone to my computer so I could type messages with a keyboard on all my phone apps...
I also tend to write long, essay-style messages, phone or computer (and because of this on my phone I've gotten quite good at typing relatively quickly using Hacker's Keyboard over the years). I've started contacting people mostly on Telegram over text when possible as well, as that can be accessed on my computer as well making it much faster to type with my normal style of longer messages.
Commenting to boost this in the algorithm. The bit about everyone having a typographical fingerprint reminded me of this bit from Blink by Malcolm Gladwell- apparently during WW2, the Allies were able to track the movement of Axis forces by the way individual soldiers used the telegraph. So idk that’s cool I guess
i love how u guys are kinda diving the channel amongst each other
I was actually playing Among Us a week ago, and I happen to be one of those 'weird' gen z people who actually uses periods at the end of all their sentences. People I was playing with actually said my proper punctuation made them uncomfortable. Guess I'm the weird one? I always had a hard time picking up on socal context.
i can understand that happening.. especially in Among Us were people are tryna read any clues to decipher your intentions and actual actions.. so if you're using fullstops at the end of every sentence, not just for clarity in reading, it starts to feel like.... you're hiding something, altering it, making blunt statements.... in a game where accusations turn into votes and can win or lose the game, it's understandable why that would feel strange for people..
usually when i play among us, i just type things like
where
who sus
etc without even adding a question mark . it .. feels sus to add a question mark when the context is already obvious.. probably coz it's an extra keystroke, so it's like, why'd this person hit an extra keystroke, we already know what they're asking..
but different people will still have their own tone. if you play with the same lobby a lot, they'll start to get used to it and hopefully it won't feel as weird to them ^u^
In a way, you're actually expressing yourself through text the same way you would in person, awkwardly. 😂
I'm right there with you 😊
3:57 biggest mood this quarantine
I loved Taha's first solo (kinda?) video! Now excited for Melissa's! Thanks to all 3 of AiP for making such interesting videos! PS: Sabrina, don't get lost, you're still the best!
I'm an X-ennial and I feel like I grew up along side the internet. BBSs in my tweens, chatrooms as a teen, neopets, gaia, myspace, etc evolved into modern social medias. I remember having a more casual tone in my studies that my teachers would correct. It seems to me that I was among the first to learn both formal and conversational textual communication methods concurrently. Millennials forward have that whole online world all in place as soon as their guardians feel they're ready to plug in. I do seem more formal than the generations after mine. Look at me, trying to be grammatically correct even now. My old is showing ^_^
When taha said "welcome to youtube" I got three mid rolls ads, so yeah... the TH-cam experience
my mom makes literally everything perfectly written like a college essay and it's even more awkward lmao
Whenever I text my mom or dad, they will literally only reply with one or two words or not reply at all lmao
I think this is genuinely one of THE best youtube channels out there no doubt about it
This video is so good that I'm genuinely considering recommending it to one of my linguistics professors. Congratulations to both of you!
well, did you end up recommending it? :D
This channel is now the Sabrina extended universe
Wait, "How are you. How are things there?" is blunt? Guess I am old if that's the case!
not necessarily blunt, but certainly formal and not particularly inquisitive
I'm impressed by your ability to convey your personality through written SPEECH
Dear Young Internet Native,
It was with much interest that I watched this video. I find it fascinating the way you have taken the rules of English that were hammered into us, and disposed of them. Good on you!
I will take this old rigid system of writing to my grave. ;-)
I was TODAY years old when I realized that the assumption I had that you can't express emotions in text was mistaken... in our old way, that is true, you've fixed it.
Well done, well said. Please keep up your excellent work. I look forward to more in future.
Yours Sincerely,
-- Mike --
I personally use a tilda at the end to signify a sing-song tone~!
Or something a tad more teasing and flirty~?
Or just a taunt~
It's a good way to add a specific tone to the end of things to help me add flavor to my messages and writing~! ^u^
Exactly, that’s how I thought tildes were supposed to be used
2:39
There she is, the mother of the sbeve meme:
S(he) be(lie)ve(d)
i love this kinda topic as well because the way tones are can change drastically from community to community, which do include the funny key-smashing, and- my ridiculous habit of using dashes as if im actually- like pausing irl- i dont know why it just happens. also i have a habit of adding a full stop at the end of sentences and i DONT KNOW WHYYYy so good job.
Thats honestly why i find tumblr to be so great for writing experences for stuff because of them bacisly being super flexable with this sorta stuff
For me, it was getting really used to Tumblr-Grammar. And then you get texts that look like line sin a transcribed play, and it really throws you off.
I text/write like an old person. It probably stems from the fact that I didn’t get a cellphone until college and then rarely texted anyone.
What's with these many commas?! Never seen them before - maybe some cultural thing also?
I think it's a combination of many phones having this weird autocorrect thing a few years back where it wouldn't let you put ellipsis willy nilly, but made no effort to correct a series of commas, it being more normalized through this, and people percieving it as almost a softer version of ellipsis that actually serves as a legitimate variant through communicating something slightly different than an ellipsis would. It's pretty interesting!
Personally, I prefer to keep it weirdly formal in my youtube comment replies, but it makes sense that twitter would give birth to quick ways to add nuance or tone with the incentive to keep it as concise as possible to try and fit what you want to say within the character limit.
I learned about this in 'Because Internet' ( I saw that cameo) and it explained so much - why I always feel like my dad is tiptoeing around when texting ( so... many... ellipses...) and It also explained why I have a hard time posting online- I'm a bit like someone who can understand the language but not speak it well. I type more like an older person then a younger person, and it helped me relax when it came to posting online.
It also helped me understand the way to properly use emojis. It also explains my mom's texting, the most time she spent online is the brief period of time when she played world of warcraft, so she actually types more like a younger person then me.
Lol these videos are sooo good I don't even know what I'm looking for but i'm like obsessed with learning in a way that I never have been before; maybe it's just the 3 way dynamic you guys have going on but it's sooo interesting!
This is one of the highest-quality content-makers I am watching and I can rightfully state that this channel, despite its subscriber amount, is criminally underwatched.
I was a writing tutor in college, so I simply can't produce any written correspondence that's not properly punctuated. Unless it's a one-word response, and even then sometimes I capitalize it and use a period out of habit. I get twitchy otherwise, but only for my own writing (I don't judge others for how they text). Although in a text or informal email I will consider an emoji at the end of a sentence to be functionally equivalent to a period.
"Hello, I've been at this for a couple of-..." I can literally FEEL myself in this
I used to write with full university grammar in my texts until I took a cultural linguistics course that explained how periods are a signal for ending the conversation. I didn’t know because a lot of my friends are college grads too so they were used to my formal tone. However, I’ve dropped my periods at the end of sentences since then and I noticed that the conversations were much longer and more fulfilling with the dropped periods! What a difference!
I miss the _"either way, have a lovely day"_
LOVE YOUR WORK
I’d never seen the tildes used for sarcasm like that before.
~ like this ~
Dad:"hi son how are you?"
Son:"WHY ARE YOU LIKE THIS???"
0:37
I expected an explanation that explained why my mom uses emojiis and has a weird and strange way of writing through messages.
Instead I got an explanation of how you text very similarly to my mom.
Myself, and basically all of my friends (age range 25-35) all text, write, and message in standard normal proper written English. On occasions, we'll throw in things to emphasize words or points, but pretty seldom. Most of us also work professional types of jobs (half of us are engineers) and really don't use or care for/about social media at all. So perhaps that is the difference. My mom does not work, and really never has. She also does Facebook, though I don't know or care to what extent. Myself and my friends just prefer to communicate more clearly by using descriptive language that doesn't butcher the English language in order to make sure what we say is understood.
"I'm fine" conveys very little, even if you add all sorts of random punctuation that's moderately indecipherable as there's absolutely no established standard to what two commas at the end of it means, so it's arbitrary to try to guess what "i'm Fine" is supposed to mean. Instead, myself and my friends would just use a more descriptive response that actually conveys a complete thought without need to try to guess what the interpretation of it means. "I'm fine, it's been a pretty chill day, work hasn't been too busy, so I spent longer than I should have commenting on a youtube video than I'm sure my employer would ever approve of." Sure, that's a long response, but it actually provides proper communication and an actual response, instead of "I''m fine~!" which who the hell knows what that's supposed to actually mean
please double-check when and how to use the word "myself"
ironic since you mention more than once that you (& your friends) don't butcher "the English language"
The editing is fire 🔥
my mum always was aware of language changing (since she went back to her home country after like 30yrs away and people used the language there differently and she was just like "...i'm a relic trapped in time :O " ) so when she noticed my bro and i would text back to her without fullstops etc, she did the mature, educated thing and just... asked us why.
We were also surprised, and tried to explain it, realized ourselves we were portraying tone etc etc...
Mum just listened and nodded, said it was interesting...
And ever since then her way of texting us is informal, friendly, light. She sends them in different messages.
Hi
Coffee ??
yu late hahaha
where are youuuuuuu
etc.
And then my dad's just like:
Hello. Will you be home today in the afternoon? I left a music stand behind. Thank you. Dad.
.... >.> welp.
Me: Hi Mom! Just wanted to say you're good to come over at 3:00 today! Looking forward to seeing you! Love you :)
My Mom who is the warmest person on earth and loves me dearly: ok
S(he)s br(ok)en took me OUT
And even with all this awareness, we freaking still misunderstand what each other says and assume the worst.
the last one??
i love this topic, thanks taha!
(speech!)
I've never been this early!
welcome!
@@answerinprogress welcome!