Electronic Motorcycle Comparison | Zero SR/F vs Harley-Davidson Livewire vs Energica Eva vs Zero SR
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- We pitch the Harley-Davidson LiveWire, Energica Eva, Zero SR/F and SR against each other in this electric motorcycle shootout.
The last 18 months has been a good time for electric motorcycle fans. The rise of brand like
Energica and Zero has pushed on electric motorcycle development, forcing mainstream brands like
Kawasaki, Honda and even Harley-Davidson into pushing on with their electric bike programs.
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My Zero is fantastic, and so are the Energicas(now with 60% more range and a bit less weight) and the Livewire. After almost 50k miles on it I've only had to change tires, belt, and brake pads along with the usual checks and adjustments. I can do 300 miles in about 8-9 hours at most, which is perfect for a mountain or beach trip, and the energicas/livewire can do it much quicker than that. Once you adjust to the electric lifestyle it's leaps and bounds more convenient than ICE. Electric shines in ways ICE never could, and ICE shines where electric is beginning to get competitive. No bike is the best at everything, but hopefully one day we will have a low-priced electric bike that is.
??? 8-9 hours for a 300 mile trip? I’ll take the extra 3-4 hrs..
The point is not that 300 miles takes x hours, but that it can be done on an electric bike. How often do you go on 100 mile ride anyway? Heck, I ride a lot and I go on rides over 75 miles maybe 2% of the time. Keep a gas bike in your stable for when you want to cross state lines and add an electric motorcycle. I can almost predict with a high probability than you'll turn that gas bike into a garage queen and ride electric most of the time. Just saying from experience. Gotta ride one and try it. You would giggle like a girl while trying one.
Benedictus Paraan my work commute alone is 40+ miles.. I have sport touring bikes so I frequently see close to 80 miles 1-3x a week, because I have luggage options
@@Texarmageddon yeah, it's nice to be able to throw the bike on the back of a truck and be 600 miles away in the same amount of time, but there is a ton of improvement to be had with charging speeds, battery capacity, and efficiency. The fact that I can get to the mountains in a day now, but couldn't whatsoever just five years ago is an achievement in itself. That's the only downfall of electric at the moment, but it will improve/disappear in short time. An ICE bike would have many more downfalls with no chance of improving because those are already at their peak. If I have to have one bike for everyday use it'll be the electric. I'll just suffer a bit and make it work for the odd 300 mile trip.
@@Texarmageddon my Zero gets right at 90-100 miles combined on a daily basis with most of it being 70mph on the highway. I'd have to get gas every other day on an ice bike, but I can get a full charge while at work, and plug in at home every night. That convenience more than makes up for the shorter range
This is a great review. I drive motorcycles for 40 years. Started on a Suzuki 380 2-stroke, Honda CB400N, Honda CB750 (single camshaft), CB750 (double camshaft). In 2014 I drove a Yamaha VMax when I did a test ride on a Zero SR. I was flabbergasted and turned my Yamaha Vmax (great machine) in on the Zero SR. After five lovely years with my Zero SR without any trouble, I swapped to a Zero SR/F. I love electric motorcycling.
And now the new dsr /x !.. only i would never buy a zero again .. so went for the experia ... product is important . But the people behind the product is after all maybe more important . .. wish you good rides !!!!
I think you guys did a great job with this video even if there was no mention of the new line of Energica bikes and corrected prices. One thing always worth mentioning when talking about the massive price is the basically complete lack of maintenance and, of course, petrol. I've been riding electric for the last couple years and don't miss spark plugs, valves, injectors, or oil at all.
Agreed. The cost of maintenance and gas (I can L2 charge for free less than 1/2 mile from my house) prompted me to consider switching my Yamaha for an electric. Just 5 days ago, I placed an order for the 21.5kWh Enérgica Eva Ribelle. After one ride, I was hooked. ⚡️💨
Well done for such an unbiased review. I've bought my last 3 bikes partly after reading your reviews. I'm still running in my Z H2 and it's just as good as you said. Keep up the good work!
Thank you very much
Literally the best comparison of these bikes I've seen. Very glad you threw the 'ol SR in the mix as well as this, in my humble opinion, is still what new electric bikes are judged against. I love my 2018 SR and have no plans to upgrade or change bikes after 9k+ miles.
Thank you!
Are they worth it? Yes they are. I drove on a zero SR for almost 6 years with 50k kilometers on it. Changed the tires and the belt just once and almost no maintainance. And, ofcourse, no fuel costs
Too bad you did not test the latest Energicas - the new battery pack is awesome
how do they really feel on the side of the tire? I'm in a strange dilema now (I started riding on an Eva107. 2020 model). I am actually thinking backwards to a gas bike... The problem is the weight. and the "Speed" isn't what everyone seems to claim. 600 super sports and up can still take me. at speed, they blow me away. this is in sport. TC2. and only near 100% battery does my bike go slightly faster in a straight line. short lived though as i'm usually well between 80 and 30% at the end of my session. at which point a 600 and up can take me down pretty easily. I rode my first GSXR 750 recently, and the weight of it... my god it feels like like a bicycle by comparison. lot's of second thought about my bike. I just hope the tech keeps improving. I really have to dig deep these days to appreciate my bike in regards to performance. where it shines is ease of maintenance. but there it ends.
This is my favorite electric bike review video right now. My SR is just shy of 12,000 miles and just pulled it out of winter storage for the first ride of the year yesterday. Everything works the same as when I put it away and the battery only lost 7% over 4 months of sitting in my garage. Love it.
Something I really appreciate about this review are the real world range figures. I can only speak for the Zero models, but they're about right and that's important.
May I suggest you mention running costs at the next opportunity? For bikers willing to consider the total cost of ownership, electric motorcycles start to become much more attractive. Especially for commuters and those doing high mileage.
Nice review for the time you had, thanks! 😊
So you're thinking you'd love all the advantages of an electric bike (eco, mega acceleration, quiet, virtually no maintenance, peanuts to charge it while you're asleep, not having to go to petrol stations, etc.), but you want to go further than the max range, and you aren't loaded? Me too! So I bought a great secondhand Zero DSR for £8000 and added some secondhand fast chargers for a grand, so it charges to full in just under 2 hours, and am about to get another so it'll come down to 1h5mins. Before I run out of charge, my arse needs a break, so I stop for brekkie, lunch, coffee and cake, and by the time I've finished and had a wee, I've got enough charge (often full) to last me 'til I need another break or I've reached my destination. And I'm just putting together some super cheap commando cables so I can fast charge in any campsite. These bikes are affordable and practical for the way most people ride. I'm totally loving the experience and only say to you all, take one for a testride; you need to experience it! And if you're keen check out the secondhand market if you're not loaded; the US secondhand market is especially good and shipping isn't costly or that tricky.
I'd say the obvious winner is Energica. Especially the 2020 model.
Why so obvious? I test rode the Zero and the Livewire and the latter is near perfection.
@@Shah_creates I agree that the livewire is better than the zero in many aspects (i owned a zero sr/f and test rode the livewire many times). But neither of them compare to the capability of energica...it blows both out of the water.
@@Amnpaterson I haven’t test rode the energica. I do love the extra range but the looks don’t move me (not even the esseesse9+, which looks closest to the Livewire). With the Livewire, you have a major brand behind you, whether you care for the Harley name or not. Buying the bike gets you into two very disparate communities at once, the long established Harley crowd, and the new and elite EV crowd. Visor Down did a comparison of all three bikes and also rated the Livewire as their pick, even thought it cost $8k more back than it does now
@@Shah_creates having the harley name behind it means nothing (see buell). I've owned harleys for over a decade and can't say that it gives me any comfort knowing they back livewire...and considering they ALREADY spun it off as its own company doesn't give me much hope.
In my mind, all three are major brands in the EV world. Harley dealerships don't want to support livewire. And look at all the harley pages and forums, harley riders hate the livewire...you won't be part of that community.
Energica has the best customization available, the most diverse choices in motorcycle style, the fastest, the most range, and the fastest charging.
You don’t get the spin off companies. These are so that there is something left when the ICE main brand goes bust, same for cars.
When you factor in the fuel savings over your owning period those bikes are actually priced quite nicely. Still in GS territory but acceptable. Also, energica has made huge improvements this year. Check them out! I'm still on my mt-09 but that energica ribelle left quite an impression :-) One last things: Like many others, a friend of mine crashed a zero DSR during the test ride. Never buy electric without TC.
It’s easy to say that when they aren’t mainstream products... wait for EV cars to hit mainstream....
Hey.
I’m looking into buying an MT10 or a GS1250, but these electric motorcycles are also attractive. The Zero DSR (adventure bike) looks great. What are your thoughts after owning your MT09?
Yea until ur battery dies lol
great comparison.
From my experience with the Energica SS9 + the most important thing is fast charging with
> 20 kW. Without recharging, you can't do a big round trip with the e-bike (although the battery has 21.5 kWh).
Therefore you need a bike that works with CCS loaders (no Zero can do that)!
The Livewire has the DC Direct/Level 3 charging port (don't know what name they plan on going with) in the US. Harley Dealers that sell the bike will have them. It can fully charge the bike from 0% in an hour. Was looking for personal ones to instal in your garage but can't find any, not made yet. So Harley is on the leading edge of technology for the first time in.....................70 years maybe? Excluding Kevlar belt drive that is.
TheOKTerrificable Harley is not quite leading edge. Although they can charge at level 1 or 3, they can't charge at the more common level 2. Maybe they will add this in the future.
@@JasonWW2000 Indeed this is a problem, at least in Europe: Level 2 chrging is widely available, Level 3 charging, too - but only on motorways, which you'd rather avoid, sicne they are boring :-) Level 1 is way too slow for charging when you are on the road. Energica clearly lead the way here, although Zeros can be charged very quickly with some add-ons as well. Installing a Level 3 charger at your house is possible, BUT the cheap ones start at roughly the price of a LifeWire (exluding installation costs).
Most was about charging and practicality, which is easy to find on line. Glad at the end you touched on the fun and performance factor.
Nice video! Shouts from NZ!
Thanks for watching!
Thanks, very informative and has cemented my decision on not getting one yet
Best e-motorcycle review, thank you!!!!
Glad you liked it!
I don't think I could get my rocks off on the sound of an electric bike living in Australia we need a range of at least 300K maybe in ten years time this will all change.
I was thinking the same. My primary concern is lack of range on the bikes for Aus. However, they would make a decent commuter.
Agreed, a lot more development and cost reductions will be required before I'll be looking at an electric motorcycle. When we can get true 200 mile range with performance matching a CBR1000R for about $15k and/or 200 mile range and performance matching a Ninja 650 for $7k, I think electric motorcycles will have arrived at a logical place for many people.
The new 2021 zero sr/f now can be equipped with the power bank and premium version to make it an all around a better bike. It still has the two hour charge time but with the power bank the bike can go to 160miles per charge. If on eco which most people will use.
another 10 years before electric bikes deliver more value for money than traditional bikes? That's very pessimistic:( I'd hope within 5 years we should be there
10 years sounds about right.
I hope the mentioned brands will buy batteries from Tesla, or acquire a similar technology really soon.
I'm seriously thinking of switching away from my Zero, after riding them for eight years.
The new Energica's are just far too tempting...
Not the Livewire, huh?
great review, when they get the range up and the price and weight down they will be much more popular
After the initial cost that in many cases is prohitive, the savings for refueling and maintenance let the bike pays for itself over time.
I bought a Zero DS and drove it for nearly 12000 km in 4 months: it's awesome for my daily commute, because is nimble in the traffic, has enough acceleration to overtake easily, and enough range for all my needs.
Before my Zero, I had a Scooter with a really good km/l ratio, but I had to spent 120€ each month on gasoline, not to mention the regular maintenance.
When I realized that I could buy a e-bike with a 100€/month loan (5000€ reservation) plus a little maintenance, I sold the scooter immediately.
Great review Toad and very honest separating the marketing messages from the reality; do we even know if other manufacturers are testing this tech? Whilst Tesla was the first for cars, Audi and many others are now coming up fast with better quality built vehicles so wonder if BMW is thinking electric for their top selling GS range?! (Asking for a friend!!)
Regarding "Which would you rather have". I am looking for a bike for around town and short backroad rides on the Southern Oregon Coast that requires zero engine warm-up. My 94 V-Max for instance requires at least 5 minutes warm up in order to run correctly, and the 1st gen V-Max only has about a 90 mile range under spirited back road flogs.
Nice
Video :)
Thanks 😁
Right up my ally people ,great review .Range and price followed by weight are key issues imho .I need 150 mile real world range ,12£k max ,225 kg max ,it is doable and I'm sure we will see it in the next 5 years with new battery tech .
Interesting! What would the fuel/ servicing costs be for a year commuting on a 650cc bike, compared to one of the electrics?
Good review. It's obvious your bias towards petrol. You didnt take into consideration the big bikes driven hard need alot of petrol and upkeep. Over 5 years the prices might not seem so different.
bias? he mentioned the postives and the negatives and he is one of the few channels where they actually mention the HP figures. Most reviewers spout out the torque when these bikes have more or less the same performance as a middleweight naked (z900 - MT09) obviously excluding the 140hp energetica. electric bikes are outstanding for commuting, city riding... but when it comes to going for a 6 hour ride with your friends you are f**ked.
Cant remember the exact figures, but the zero SR/F was the equivalent to a Z900 with around 100 000 km of petrol. = electric bikes are still too expensive for what they are (if you are gonna use the bike as a motorbike and not as a scooter of course)
@@Stratocasterhead51 You prove my point. Your reason to buy an expensive bike is to go on long rides, or go extremely fast. These are biases. You could could also want an expensive bike accelerate quickly and enjoy surroundings(especially if you live in a beautiful area like I do.) Not everyone wants loud or terrifying. With the advent of electric bikes your motorcycle community(family) just got bigger. We are different. Throw a piece symbol and let us live.
Superb Review. Spoken a tad bit too quickly for my 76-year-old ears and brain which is my problem rather than yours. Kudos for Not subjecting listening viewers to the head-waggling, seasickness-producing, helmet-camera angles of Moto Video Bloggers (so-called Vloggers) who, in their haste and laziness, chatter on with no cogent production tools such as a Script. You folks obviously wrote, proof-read and re-wrote a Script. Congratulations on a stellar presentation.
Nice review, it is a pity you didn't took the new Energica Eva for this this. Battery, hp and torque are better. On the other side if you looking for an Eva, you should get the old model for a better price now.
Your overall conclusions are formulated from a journalist's point of view. Dismissing electric motorcycles as not ready for prime time for another 10 years is a consistent theme at Visordown, trying hard not to offend the advertisers and subscribers. I logged 8300 miles in 9 months (the whole time a K1600GTL has been staying in my garage) on my electric BMW scooter, and I don't even ride everyday. I have 78k miles on the touring bike so it's not like I don't like to ride it. I see my electric bike from an owner's point of view so I've put my money where my mouth is. Electric is much better in every possible way except for tours but nobody ever claimed they were made for that. Try living with a supercharged Kawasaki and pay for all the costs associated with it. It's starting to stink now doesn't it. Insurance, increased maintenance, more frequent repairs, blah blah blah. And maybe fuel costs, LOL.As far as the rankings are concerned, again, gotta please the big player, Harley Davidson. The big dent in its armor is its charging arrangement. Realistically, you have to charge it from your domestic outlet most of the time. Once you roll home, you have to wait hours upon hours for it to fill up. Nobody has a CCS DC fast charger at home. So you end up using it less and it spends more time sitting in the garage waiting to be charged. You end up paying dearly for a bike that you can use less. No thanks. People who bought it will only realize this after the fact. KInda like buying an exotic sports car only to find out that it needs an expensive oil change every 500 miles. I'm not a Harley hater. My first bike was an FXD in which I put 25k miles in 2 years.
Why did you use a high tier bike to justify EVs? Why didn’t you compare to a basic commuter bike like a ninja 650 etc etc..
@@Texarmageddon My only justification to get a second bike is that I get an electric bike, no matter what it is. My wife gave the blessing just like she did on the K1600GTL (paid in full). I did a test ride at a dealer but they wouldn't budge at the price. A fellow EV driver/friend turned out to be a BMW employee and got me in touch with a friendly sales team. So I paid a lot less than $14k so the price difference to a Ninja 650 is big but the other associated costs are close to nil which evens out the money equation. Since I ride a lot of miles, the breakeven point will be reached easily. At legal speeds +5, even my K16 is more work to ride fast. Every stoplight is a street grand prix without raising the attention of public safety officers. There is a certain thrill to be blowing the doors off everybody on a sleeper scooter. Lastly, I've tried a Honda Big Ruckus, Ducati Diavel, R1200RT, Triumph Tiger 800, BMW C650GT, HD SuperGlide, Honda Valkyrie none of which are better than the K1600. All were good bikes just to be clear.But their performance pales next to an electric bike. BTW, same reason I won electric cars instead of a 5-series.
Supersoco will surprise us all in only 3 to 5 years.
This is a really good triple review, thanks for this. Actually, you cover four bikes of course, there being two models of ‘Zero’ you refer to. I have a point to make about the range, and braking which of course on electric vehicles is tied together, because of regenerative braking. My view arrived at, from several comparisons with battery sizes and EV cars, is that the Regenerative braking on motorcycles is awful! In a car, there are the likes of the Hyundai Kona that can bring the vehicle to a halt decently, without invoking ‘normal’ brakes at all. It is my belief that a motorcycle will need a front ‘electric machine’ (read hub motor) and maybe some gear reduction, in order to provide decent regen braking. Just as your rear braking is limited on a motorcycle, I cannot believe it is any different for regen braking - it needs a front regen braking effect to really permit a lot of regen charge as you ride. I would hazard a guess, that as presently, ALL the front braking energy is simply wasted - as with ICE motorcycles - the recouping of that, might well boost range of every bike here by perhaps 30%, 50% or even more. It’s a LOT of energy that is being left to old-style friction/heat-wasting brakes. Anyway, thank you again.
Thanks for watching
I’d be nervous of having any front wheel ‘braking’ not controlled / instigated by the rider. Think cornering, gravel, emergency stops... cars don’t have that issue of course. It took a little getting used to my SR/F as the regen disengages under 10mph. But I think this is sensible for slow control - the only time I miss a clutch.
I have a live wire and a Tesla. The regen braking on the livewire comes with full range adjustability 0-100%, and not just 2 or 3 preset values. The grabbiness of the livewire regen braking is very similar to my Tesla at 80% regen setting. The deceleration brings the bike to a complete stop - same single pedal / throttle experience I have come to enjoy from owning a Tesla for several years. The livewire actually surprised me as the regen works even at full battery. No Tesla can do that - the strong regen kicks in only if the state of charge is 80% or lower. Also, the Tesla will cut down regen on a colder morning/day to protect the battery.
Not sure if I’m addressing your comment but as an owner I’m very impressed with how the regen braking of the livewire
I'd have 2go with the Energica!!! I beg 2 differ kind Sir. When it comes 2 performance, The LS 218 got the Big W!!! @ Pikes Peak!!!
And @ the Salt flats, it did 218MPH!!! Out performing the petrol ⛽ bikes, Now that's some Hot Performance 4 a E-bike!!!
Give them 5yrs, mate!
Thanks for the comparison an neutral open words...
They are getting closer just need a bit more range but the main problem is the price.
Great review, but didn't mention the cost savings of never needing to buy petrol again. Electric pays for itself over time!
True BUT the comparison for finding a gas station and a charging station is a big difference. Also electricity isn’t free, cheaper but not free not to mention how long it takes to fill up a tank VS charge a “tank”. None the less I feel the electric vehicle in general are the future and in time it will get better. I like the live wire but at the zero price range. I’m waiting tho as news has came out Indian could make an electric bike based on there FTR model although they did just come out with a kids electric bike which I’m hoping I’m hoping didn’t take the place Of a real electric bike that was rumored
Not to mention never having to buy oil,oil filters,air filters,spark plugs or wanting to make it go faster with loud pipes or rebuilding the engine with cams,pistons and all the fake go fast after market parts that you want to put on your ICE bike just before you take it to have it dyno tuned by an expert.
@@Riley_1955 if I ever got an electric bike I’d still want to make it go faster tho it’s just the nature of the game. I think there’s something about more AMP’s or bigger batteries that can help. And yes maintenance is much less with only oil brake fluid to change out and replacing your batteries ever so many years.
Im just speachless how ppl are stupid and dont know what is 2+2 is for idiots here is some math
Live V $ 28k kavasaki 16k 8k you saved. 95% of used bike for sale from 1st owners has less then 10k miles
Worst mpg on gas bike is 30 miles per gallon average premium gas is $ 2.50c so
You need 1k to drive 10mile on gas +2k for oil change and fuk some bichs.
Now when and how electric bike will be cheaper idiots?
The poor range, the recharge time, battery degradation with elevation and temperature, its an ideal work commuter, i dont see a long distance ride out of one
I'm Harley Davidson Livewire Owner 279 of the 1st 500 Sold (First Strike Member). I have over 1000 miles on mine and love it. It's my 6th Harley and my 31st motorcycle. The performance and handling is awesome. While the Livewire is $29,799 USD it is the best value of any of the high line bikes and HD livewire Dealers are required to have two Livewire Certified Master Techs on payroll, Free Hi Speed Level 3 Charging on site at the dealer, Two Years Free Electrify America 40 minute quick charge service, 24 hour Harley Davidson Roadside Assistance, Two years unlimited mile everything warranty, 5 year unlimited battery warranty with a 10 year design life. $2500 Federal tax credit (USA) + State as well. As far as Torque values, the Revalation motor is 86 Lb/Ft. but is has a 10:1 gear reduction to the rear axle that equates to ~ 860 Lb.Ft . Do yourself a favor, just ride the HD before you buy anything else, you won't regret it.
I am getting one, Livewire brand, but I do not think they include the 2 years Electrify America charge services or the roadside assistance. :(
Loving the Zero, great price too. Harley needs to come down on their price
That won't happen too much. Harleys are made by angry, entitled, union employees, that expect huge pensions when they stop working. It'll be the death of Harley.
@@CRPerformance1 They did come down in price, and I am getting a Livewire. Why the angst, man?
@@Shah_creates no angst. Just saying what people are thinking and few are writing.
What about lifepo4 batteries? Are they a good alternative for motorcycles?
Does having a electric bike ever get old? I’m interested in buying the energies Eva ribelle but I wanna be convinced before I take a chance. And how much are people paying for the financing?
Twenty nine thousand pounds is a heavy price for the Livewire. A heavy price indeed.
I'm not to worry about acceleration! I'm more worry about, How far we I can Gooooooo"
Very good review I agree with your opinion that it will take another 10 years for them to become competitive. However nothing can replace the sound or the shifting through a six speed transmission in the fun of riding The motorcycles of this era it just can’t be replaced each to their own they say
Tbh imo electric bikes aren’t quite up to par yet. Give it a few years and these electric bikes will be competing with A tier bikes
One doesn't rule out the other. I believe that petrol and electric motorcycles can live side-by-side. More so because a lot of people (myself included), only ride for enjoyment and not for commuting to work, as is more common for car owners. It makes sense to use electric vehicles for transport, given people do that every day for a considerable amount of kilometers. However, for the small number of kilometres people like me ride on their motorcycle, I don't really think it is worth the investment compared to the small environmental benefit. Especially if you look at the humanitarian and environmental cost of cobalt and lithium.
Tl;dr: I think electric vehicles for every day use are a good thing, but not yet so much for sporadic riding.
I'm very interested in an electric bike. But the non standard plug situation, and lack of charging stations in my area makes it a non starter.
Where's the lightning bikes :(
So well said, good performance for outstanding performance prices, Petrol still wins at the moment
Harley-Davidson Livewire is a great bike if you can afford it.
Craig Lamar and afford the depreciation
People were skeptical of personal computers and cell phones at one time as well
That's because they were absolutely new things with nothing comparable around, much unlike electric motorcycles, you complete knob.
need metal People weren’t “skeptical” of either of those products. They just couldn’t afford them.
Battery motorcycles are outmatched by ICE for long distance. For urban riding, they are also outmatched by battery bicycles.
Battery bicycles with a throttle are illegal in the UK. They have to be pedal assist and not everyone wants to pedal a push bike.
10years…pheeew
eLeCtRoNiC mOtOrCyClE
Not worth it
Depends for what, the ones on the video are quite expensive, but you also have the Zero S, which I think it may be quite a good option for city commuting, same for electric scooters.
Ten years? They actually surpass IC in performance. As for range and speed of charge. I say in the next 3-5 years will be all as the battery technology is advancing by the minute.
It's pronounced e-NAIR-ji-ka, not en-air-GEE-ka
Zero wins, hands down. Why? All of them have 'about' the same range and power. Yet the Zero cost waaaaaaay less. Why spend an extra $10k for any extra power, when all you will ever do is ride it around town or short rides just outside of town.
Electric bikes are awesome for roadtrips, if you can find one with enough range
I have the zero sr...for 3 years now..no complaints other than the thin belt...ive had the livewire for 3 months...I can see and feel the extra 14k., it feels worth it...I am digging this livewire!!!!..
With DC fast charging on board, you can ride outside of town. One Livewire rider just went coast to coast and I just met an Enérgica rider last week who ride from San Diego to Big Bear and back the same day. That darn near impossible to do on a Zero.
When Zero gets DC fast charging, it can start to break out of its “commuter bike status” and its riders can start to leave town without having to wait such long periods to recharge. L3 charging is a must for Zero and I hope they add this capability soon.
@@evolv.e agreed, it's the ONE thing holding zero back. I just hope they make it possible to retrofit older zeros. That would make their brand so much more powerful/valuable if zero buyers knew that zero would make it possible to upgrade older bikes with newer chargers and newer batteries... if they did, my SR might last me 50 years...
One day...yes. But not yet.
Zero lie about all their spec only to encourage u to unlock ur brought bike !
10 years to match the stupid old petrol engine? No way tech luckily goes much faster than that! ♻️🔋👏💪🔝❤️
10 more years development to catch up with petrol bikes..? Dream on mate, they'll be surpassed within 5 years.
Regardless if they are 10 years, that's not the correct perspective nor is it fair.
Over 100 years of development for fossil powered vehicles, and electric are leaps and bounds ahead of them in a head to head comparison. By that i mean in 10-15 years (if that) of development, electric are taking gigantic leaps per year to how long fossils have taken.
Is that a fair comparison?
Nope. But it is a comparison on the opposite perspective and skew.
What is undeniable, is that it's the lack of commitment that holds electric back more than anything.
If the majority came on board, including manufacturers, governing bodies, riders, etc etc
Then we see development sky rocket and 10 years would be more like 3.
Take the best we've developed with fossils for over a century, and add the ever growing advancements of electric.... Then the world will never look back.
Like when we moved from horses to fossil power.
Like it or not... That is the fairest comparison IMHO.
I would like this comment if the information in it was correct.
EVs were set to be the mainstream vehicles before the model T came... ICE just did it better back then.
From there we’ve continuously have tried to bring EVs to the market for decades.
Im sure their time will come, but it is NOT unfair to say they may need another decade
@@Texarmageddon If you are talking cars then EVs have already 'arrived'.
Total market share in Norway at 56%, over 10% of new sales in Sweden, Iceland, Holland, best selling car in many markets some quarters. Outsells all the performance German Marques in USA combined. Model 3 cheaper to own than a Camry...
Battery tech poised on revolution in power density, cost, manufacturing and cycle life awaiting news announcement from Tesla.
Your estimate of 10 years is off.
3-5 years tops before any of these manufacturers release something basically on par with your general mid range sport bike. 5 years at least before they come out with machines that match liter bikes. Not too mention, the charging infrastructure in North America is not there, yet....eastern Europe is also lacking on a wide use network of DC fast chargers. It'll also give ev machines some time for their prices to come down out of the clouds. I've ridden the SR/S and the livewire. Awesome little scooters. But between their lack of decent range and stupidly high price tags? They're not comparable to my Tuono or Speed Triple RS...
But they will be...
i will buy electric if tesla makes one.
I feel that one would be insane
Tesla is specifically avoiding bikes. So you might look elsewhere.
Electronic motorcycle?
So 100 miles is all you'll get even without pushing the pace. The issues with electric bikes are, they are well over priced, they are very heavy, they don't look very good, they don't make a noise that we like (yes a v4 or v twin sounds good) and the range is poor, very poor. The achilles heel of electric bikes are the batteries. They make the bike way to heavy and they have not improved for many years. Until someone invents a revolutionary new type of battery, electric vehicles will always be products that none really wants.
Energy density and charging time are the biggest hurdles for electric vehicles. Even the quickest fast charger will take a minimum time of 20 min. to get the battery charged upto 60%. Adding more battery will make the vehicle heavier. As the narrator pointed out, it'll take another 10-15 years for the EVs to be at par with ICE powered vehicles. In the meantime the vehicle manufacurers need to develop hybrid vehicles and that would be helpful in smooth transition from ICE vehicles to EVs.
The Energica 13.4 models charge at 2C meaning full charge in 30 minutes aka 80% in 20 minutes. It's a far cry from the specs you've mentioned.
@@mvetter What about the range??
You are only talking value of purchase, someone doing a 2x35miles a day would save ££££ in fuel costs over one year, plus the zero maintenance and lower breakdowns.
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Thank you for speaking the truth! Electric bikes have at least another 10 years of development before being worthy.
1290 Super Duke with some minor mods has more torque on first 3 gears than you can but to the ground with out ending laying on your back the road and is cheaper than these bikes. And when you get on 4th gear you are going so fast that there isn't any ≈100hp bikes any where else than in your mirrors :D
So only reason to buy electric is to have some eco-friendly-points or being a tech geek.
I don't agree. There are many other reasons.
Is your (1301) Duke comment from personal (i.e., ownership) experience? If that is the case, then you should be familiar with the lamentable quality control that has earlier afflicted (and continues to afflict) Katoom two-wheeled street bikes, thereby driving...pun intended...me to a Ducati Hyperstrada (a Hypermotard with bags). I wanted to love the Big Duke but it was too heavy, too high (I am 5'10" but with a 29" inseam) and too flimsy so far as quality-control was concerned. I had to threaten and browbeat KTM USA to have them follow through with what should have been simple, straightforward warranty claims. Katoom has Great Design Engineering and falls down in the Production Engineering areas. When it comes to Powersports, Austria is Almost Germany the way Canada is Almost the USA. (Ever owned a CanAm Spyder ? Mechanical Nightmare !)
But you don't have to pay for gas, valve check, oil, engine coolant etc.
It not "Electronic" bike's to start with.
And when you conclude it needs 10 years more development. You're not getting how EV use is intended.
Let alone not mentioning the environmental impact.
Bad review. Most footage isn't even from yourself. And featuring different versions of the models. Do a proper test live comparison.
Intention? Doesn’t work here...if they don’t get closer to ice they’ll continue to be a niche vehicle
Verdict: Skip them all. As of now the overall price to performance ratio can't compete with the internal combustion powered machines. Nice video 🏍️✌️🏍️
It's not all about numeric performance on a spec sheet, every one of these is simply nicer to ride than combustion engines. It's a more pure, connected to the road experience, which is what motorcycling is all about.
@@GregHassler Depends on what you consider to be experience, if riding hours and hours on a saturday touring the world is your idea of bike heaven then these electric bikes have a long way to go before they can be considered. If riding around town and commuting these electric bikes are right at home. But if thats what you really want, what is wrong with a scooter? XD
0:36 Trust an Englishman to absolutely butcher that brand name 🙄
Energica has the same rhythm as allergic-ah (if that were a word).
I mean, it's a name based off of "energy" can't blame someone for saying ener-gica, pronouncing it like like "ennurgicka" (similar to pronouncing allergic-ah like you say doesn't make the most sense at first
Just say it rhymes with America.
Too much money!
So out of all the bikes you chose to stick with the most popular most expensive most unattractive mainstream bike.
Most unattractive? The Livewire is THE best looking!
Not my thing at all, but an interesting video all the same. I like the smell of gasolene
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Too expensive and lack of range!
Price aside. I'm not feeling the idea on the electric motorcycle. I just want to be heard while being on the road, and I think that being nearly silent... trouble.
It's not an issue. Being seen is what's important.
Gimmicks ...excuse for selling expensive models and bragging rites .