This is what I would have expected the original one to cost. When it dropped at $32k there was no way people were going to buy that especially with a bike like the Zero SR being an option.
I was just going to bring up zero motorcycles. Killing it for like 10 years and the market and the number of manufacturers producing quality electric bikes it's kind of crazy right now if you really just look around.
There is no Level 2 charging support. It's either 11 hours on a wall socket or 1 hour on the CCS fast charger. I've seen so many reviews get this wrong.
As he says in the video, "it's a safety thing." and I can attest to that. I was in a motorcycle accident in 2019 and never bothered to do my chin strap correctly, and my helmet ripped off my face and broke my jaw. The helmet still saved my life, but I'm missing a lot of my front teeth because I can't afford implants and my face is scarred from sliding down the freeway on my forehead. I'm very lucky to be alive. So yeah, chin strap and do it the right way for anyone reading OPs comment and this.
Hey mate, thankyou for your video, I enjoyed watching it. I'm from down under and I own an original H-D Livewire. It cost me $50,000 AUD that's $35,635 USD. The Livewire's city range is achievable, I have done it. I am no ace motorcycle rider, even after 40 years riding experience I'm still learning to ride better and safer. I used 91% of the range doing it in the city streets and got 213.8 km ( when you divide the km by 91 and times that answer by 100 you get almost 146 miles for 100% range ). My city has signpost speed limits of 80km ( 49.7 miles ), 60km ( 37.3 miles ), 50km ( 31 miles ) and 40km school zone ( 25 miles ). Except where the traffic dictated what slowed down speed i could travel at, I mainly rode at or just above those signposted speed limits. How did I get the claimed range? I programmed ride mode A with 83% power, 100% regen braking, 78% throttle and TC set at medium. I have owned the bike now for 6 months and have ridden 7888 km. Total fuel cost for me has been a massive $2.42 AUD that's one dollar and seventy two cents USD ( I use excess solar at home to charge bike up and free DC chargers when I am riding out on the open road )
@@robmanueb. I hope they do drop in price, more people need to ride this bike, I would like to see it drop by half at the very least. It would not upset me if it did drop big in price. I have got my monies worth even though I paid 50 grand for it. When you get cancer like I did, I needed to change my attitude to positive to help beat this setback in life. Buying this Livewire has rekindled my love of motorcycle riding. Yes my new specialist that's from outside the box, Dr Harley, is keeping me alive, kicking and grinning.
@@markkingston9444 Got to enjoy every second, life is too short for us all. I've been looking at the Chinese alternatives for e-motorbikes and they are progressing so fast that its hard to keep up. I believe small e-powered vehicles, especially the two wheels variety is the future. I wish Elon would have a stab at it, not sure if I would buy anything he makes but he has a way of pushing the tech that could be mighty useful. Have fun on that bike mate, should be a glorious Summer :)
Yea I've ridden all the Zero motorcycles and the EV thing on a bike works really well. The noise does help tell cars you're there though. I used to think "loud pipes save lives" was bullshit spread by leather-clad doctors with tassels on their handle bars, but then I owned a bike with loud pipes and the difference in safety is real. The HD turn signal thing you really do get used to quickly. I have an HD but also have a KTM' and Hondas and BMW's, with conventional turn signals and once you ride it for a bit you get used to it and there's no learning curve, you seamlessly switch from one to the other. Fun fact; BMW's used to have the same style turn signals. This is what the Livewire should have been priced at originally.
I rode one of these two weeks ago and I cannot stop thinking about it. It’s sooooooo good. I was calculating payments the minute I got home. It’s really still an expensive motorcycle .
People don’t like to admit it but new Harleys are fantastic. I rode this bike when it came out and it’s phenomenal. Also M8 bikes with an aftermarket cam is wonderful, truly a great motor. The new softail frame is the best bike the MoCo has ever made hands down. They’re killing it but people love to hate. Apples to apples they are well priced too.
When stopped at a intersection keep the bike in gear and ready to "escape". You are the small thing that will get crushed so always have several escape plains.
@@TheSmokingTire I really wish that was legal in all states. In particularly congested areas or highways with high speed limits I typically do it anyway, but man does it make a lot of people angry.
@@47MasoN47 Proof that people are self centered pieces of ignorant shit. A bike lane splitting is one less bit of traffic for those cars to have to deal with and is infinitely safer for the rider, it BENEFITS everyone yet they still get angry because you don't have to suffer as much as them even though they benefit from you doing it too. This is why we can't have nice things.
the range is what hurts heavy, seems like its a short distance rider, it is different for sure but like he said they dropped in price and my buddy got one for 21K Canadian last year. I personally bought an EV car an got a 2020 H2 SX SE for my fun
Hahaha just got to the part of the video where you realize it! Happens all the time, so easy to forget. I do it too, and I don't have a mic and 4 cameras to worry about
Just rode one today. Totally agree. It's a fantastic machine, built like a serious motorcycle with high end components, unlike its chintzy competitors. Like all EV's, the highway range is a problem but if I were in a position to have an extra bike, this would be the one.
At $22k, it’s the same price as my Corolla. Unless a newer more affordable LiveWire comes out, I might have to settle for a Zero S for half the cost. I don’t want my bike to cost the same or more than my daily car.
There are several bikes out now topping over 20k today. But you and everyone are along the same lines of thought process. The Motorcycle market is crashing hard and if it wasn't for VWAG owning Ducati, there is no way they could support themselves with the prices they are asking for bikes. Same with BMW for that matter.
Nice video Matt, I like that you reviewed this bike for what it is. Living in a rural area where riding at 55-70 MPH as the norm, I would like to see a 150 mile highway range to facilitate riding a couple hours and the a half hour fast charge to 80%, and keep the weight under 550 lbs. As a city bike, this looks like it would be a great Roadster. You mentioned that it is gear limited to 110 mph, do you see a case for multiple speeds elevating the experience?
I'm in LA and this is the ultimate city commuter bike. Once I pay off my Monster I'm picking one of these up to daily drive. It's too expensive but nothing else does what it does.
A few years? Maybe in 10 years, maybe. For me to even consider an EV bike I want to see a 300 mile range and 10-15 min charge time. Otherwise, forget it. Modern motorcycles are highly efficient, so the EV really solves no real world problems.
Matt, How does the coast mode feel? Some electric cars are awkward because they are programmed to stop quickly when you let off on the accelerator instead of coasting like all petrol vehicles do. The "active braking" (if they have one in the system) should be activated by the brake lever.
Unfortunately there aren't any official ones at the moment, but companies are always in product development. I took some luggage racks off a Pan America and installed them on my LiveWire, so now I can use the hard or soft cases. th-cam.com/video/UHu-Bh5NbR4/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/tUb9px86r58/w-d-xo.html
With new things companies are unsure about they price them to cover the design and tooling costs with fewer purchases. They probably got more interest than they thought, already paid off most of the design and tooling costs, and can now sell them closer to what it costs them to build per unit. For example if something costs 100 million in design and tooling and I'm only planning to sell 10k then I need 10k per bike to cover the design and tooling. If I expected to sell 100k off the bat I'd only need 1k per bike to cover the design and tooling. If. change my plan halfway through I may drastically change how much I need to ask per bike to see profit though.
@@christopherpedersen1820 Oh cool, i honestly thought they weren’t selling. 10 grand off (even if its old stock, let alone factory fresh) is still massive though, specially in the bike world.
There was no good reason for the old price. They just relied on the brand and early adopter/idiots, but it didn't work. They had to spin it off because Hardly riders mostly want to make noise to achieve recognition by society.
So, I am a gear head as well, making me, I think even more interested in electric cars and bikes. As a kid, I used to race slot cars, of course electric. I have always known about that torque advantage. I am like you. I hope we can keep both.
22k is still exorbitant. With more competition will come a lower price. I'd want more lights since its so quiet. Why not see me better? I rode this last week and it's nice despite having a '21 Streetbob. What about bag amd windshield options too? And please- easy on the jerky head movements! Thanks for the video.
Hi Allan, I am actually looking at the LiveWire One and Energica Eva Ribelle for my first bike. Since there is "rain mode" and "eco", and also custom modes that we can choose, the bikes can be made beginner friendly. We can then change the settings as we build experience. Considering we don't have to worry about shifting/clutch work plus custom modes... I think these could be a first bike!
This is the ONLY Harley I would ever consider. It looks great and EV bikes suit motorcycling (for commuting and day trips). I would miss clutch/gears but it seems like a relaxing ride.
You know a sportster 1200 or a dyna super glide with an actual muffler and not the obnoxious straight pipes are really enjoyable and sporty scooters. Dont let the moronic orange county chopper style loud delapidaed tractors give good bikes a bad name.
I don't see how EV bikes suit motorcycling at all. They are completely inconvenient with such a short range. I'd go 50 miles from my house and have to turn around. The efficiency and convenience of the gas motorcycle really makes an EV bike a novelty. I'll never own one unless it has gears and I can recharge it in 10 mins.
Fun fact: While the Venn diagram of the people who want Harley Davidsons and the people who want an electric motorcycle has no overlap, there’s a surprisingly substantial overlap between the Harley Davidson market and the vibrating butt plug market.
Re the split blinker switch, BMW had it in the early to mid 2000's until their customers complained enough for them to put normal ones on. It's a terrible system.
Great video, answered all my questions except for "why do motorcyclists think they don't have to wait behind other cars waiting for a light to change?" D-Bag move
A motorcycle is no replacement for a Vespa. EV or otherwise. If Vespa made an electric model with the power equivalent of my 300, I’d switch right away
I rode an Aprilia Tuono for a few years. And I'm not a fan of electric cars. But I could get on board having a fast bike that you don't have to shift. Much much safer. They do need to add some sort of noise so people could hear you coming. I'll get one a few years from now when they are cheaper and more readily available
I understand all this electric scooters, electric motorcycle it’s all about saving gas I get it you guys solved that. Here’s my another concern. Since it’s electric cars don’t hear you but, you’re there. For safety can they put speakers with module with different sounds of motorcycles so that cars they know you’re there. I hope they thought about that.
Custom mirrors.. I heard that. And that can be a game changer. I am drooling over this bike. I'm going to have to knock over a newsstand. That is a little pricy. Wow! I am going to have to swing it. It is too sweet. I think I have to do it. The center of gravity is visible when you see it ridden. It looks stuck to the ground. Or on rails. 🤤
I had people cut me up on a V-Twin fitted with an open carbon "silencer" folk don't hear noise from behind, especially in modern cars with their soundproofing and big stereos. Best to just ride defensively and assume they haven't seen you. Not died yet
I'm not a motorcycle person, I've never ridden, and although I've thought about it, the urge has never been strong enough to do anything about it.... But man... THIS thing is attractive!
While I love the idea of E motorcycles, nowadays when every goddamn car driver constantly looks into a phone instead of on the road riding a completely silent motorcycle is deadly. I know they're not completely silent for riders but they are for people in their cars.
I know what you mean, but it really doesn’t matter how loud the bike is. If a driver is off in La La land, you could be driving an ambulance with the lights flashing and sirens blaring & still not see you coming. I’ve ridden over 10+ years, I ride like they can’t see me & it’s kept me relatively safe thus far.
Yeah, no... Loud bikes don't get people's attention. If anything, all they do is prevent you from hearing the car behind you. Having switched to electric, the silence makes you far more aware of your surroundings. (And the idiots on cell phones won't see/hear you anyway...)
@@bikebudha01 hmmm interesting but do you really hear other cars if you wearing a full helmet? even though your motorcycle is electric dont you hear more wind in your helment than anything else from the outside?
modern day cars are silent inside..I operate an ambulance and have been behind people with sirens blaring who don't notice.. we had to put literal train horns in the trucks so the days of loud bikes getting attention are gone.. but maybe a fiber optic light pattern would be good?
Fact: Electric bikes will only ever be city commuter bikes until they increase the range to 250 miles of highway riding (with a 30 minute or less charge time). - And that day can't come soon enough. I own a Zero SR, and in the city, damm - it's the shit. But it can only go 70 miles at 70mph. Which means I don't ever take it out of the city. Which is a shame. Someday, hopefully soon, batteries will 2x or 3x their capacity (in a given size).... - In the meantime, I really wish Livewire and Zero et al, would start building bikes FOR the city experience. Some usable storage, GOOD accommodations for a passenger, etc...
Hopefully. Because when that happens, the price of the current Livewire will drop significantly. Then you can afford such a thing even as a low earner xD... However, I fear that this will still take a very long time.
We need a real quantum leap in battery technology. Sure, modern batteries are better than the old lead acid of years gone by, but it's only a minor improvement. And, they are not sustainable. The rare metals in modern batteries are going to be problem. Only so much available and recycling is still a question. Until I can get 300 mile range and a 10-15 min charge time, I have no interest and that includes the EV cars. The cars should be getting 1,000 mile ranges and maybe a half hour to hour charge time.
Test rode the LiveWire. It was okay. Found it too heavy for my taste. Prefer my Zero DSR. More range, easier to charge, less cost. Zero as a company has had more time to refine EV bikes as well.
Dude, long time watcher/listener, first time commenter...You know that strap on the helmet is kinda necessary, right? Ask Marco Simoncelli. Thanks for all the good content over the years. ahahaha...edit for 'spoke too soon'
@@akjdhfkqwrhetkjanfvkkkresae Sort of. To the best of my knowledge, it doesn't show exactly how far ahead you skipped (whether you only skipped the ad or jumped all the way to the middle or end of the video), but Creators on TH-cam can see at which points in the video how many people closed the video, rewound, or jumped forward in the video.
The rumor is that Harley was having a hard time selling the bike to their established customer base, who were die hard petrol enthusiasts - although most of us that own them are still in their target demographic. Looking at LiveWire's marketing efforts, they are trying to appeal to a younger customer demographic. Makes sense, but sucks that they lost the Harley branding, even though the bikes are still being made in the same harley factories.
Question, are the charging stations powered by what type of grid? Is the grid from solar farms only, wind farm only, a natural gas powered power plant?
Still not the bike for me, I think the upcoming Damon Hypersport will change a lot of minds about electric bikes. Assuming they can nail down good service coverage within the US.
I totally thought you were just being a jerk splitting the lanes like that but im glad you said its legal out in California. Differences in being on the opposite side of the country I suppose!
Best part of living in California. Motorcycles are literal time machines here in LA with all the traffic. I could never go back to the midwest where people act like you insulted their mother if you skip ahead of traffic.
I don’t ride bikes cos I’m too scared - and the video of the freeway makes me think I’m making the right decision! Looks very exposed… But it does seem the ideal transport solution in a city. Does it have regen? Ie can you do “one-pedal” driving?
Not that we call it one pedal driving, but yes you can use regen braking to slow down the bike when you release the throttle. It's quite effective and is fun to ride. It can be a scary experience, especially at first, however riding a motorcycle is one of the most freeing experiences!
Finally, concrete proof that a HD badge costs $10k. Really, go look at all HD, subtract 10k, and you'll see they become price competitive with every other brand...
How used would it need to be y'all think to get down to about $10K. I don't mind buying used bikes, you find allot of barely used ones, owned by people with money. Those types can afford to take care of things. They also appreciate cash. Don't negotiate over the phone, get there look decent, don't bring any wheels off friends. Test drive, then show them the money. You can some incredible deals.
This is what I would have expected the original one to cost. When it dropped at $32k there was no way people were going to buy that especially with a bike like the Zero SR being an option.
I was just going to bring up zero motorcycles. Killing it for like 10 years and the market and the number of manufacturers producing quality electric bikes it's kind of crazy right now if you really just look around.
Admittedly, though, the Livewire looks 10x better than any Zero. Whether that justifies the heavy price difference is another story.
Respect to the electricians responsible for the conduit work featured @4:11
There is no Level 2 charging support. It's either 11 hours on a wall socket or 1 hour on the CCS fast charger. I've seen so many reviews get this wrong.
Thank you for checking him on that
I was hoping that it was added to the charging software... Too bad it's not
@@abbaby555 not a software issue. It is a charger issue. Chargers are onboard, they could not fit L3, L2 and L1.
@@MichaelMeyer that explains it, thanks 👍
@@MichaelMeyer L3 doesn't exist as a specification.
7:37 I have made a rule that if I put my helmet on I must next do the chin strap. because I have also found myself doing that same thing
As he says in the video, "it's a safety thing." and I can attest to that. I was in a motorcycle accident in 2019 and never bothered to do my chin strap correctly, and my helmet ripped off my face and broke my jaw. The helmet still saved my life, but I'm missing a lot of my front teeth because I can't afford implants and my face is scarred from sliding down the freeway on my forehead. I'm very lucky to be alive. So yeah, chin strap and do it the right way for anyone reading OPs comment and this.
Hey mate, thankyou for your video, I enjoyed watching it. I'm from down under and I own an original H-D Livewire. It cost me $50,000 AUD that's $35,635 USD. The Livewire's city range is achievable, I have done it. I am no ace motorcycle rider, even after 40 years riding experience I'm still learning to ride better and safer. I used 91% of the range doing it in the city streets and got 213.8 km ( when you divide the km by 91 and times that answer by 100 you get almost 146 miles for 100% range ). My city has signpost speed limits of 80km ( 49.7 miles ), 60km ( 37.3 miles ), 50km ( 31 miles ) and 40km school zone ( 25 miles ). Except where the traffic dictated what slowed down speed i could travel at, I mainly rode at or just above those signposted speed limits.
How did I get the claimed range? I programmed ride mode A with 83% power, 100% regen braking, 78% throttle and TC set at medium.
I have owned the bike now for 6 months and have ridden 7888 km. Total fuel cost for me has been a massive $2.42 AUD that's one dollar and seventy two cents USD ( I use excess solar at home to charge bike up and free DC chargers when I am riding out on the open road )
Harley still has them for sale at NZ$54,000 over here, hope they drop it so we can afford to join the fun.
@@robmanueb. I hope they do drop in price, more people need to ride this bike, I would like to see it drop by half at the very least. It would not upset me if it did drop big in price. I have got my monies worth even though I paid 50 grand for it.
When you get cancer like I did, I needed to change my attitude to positive to help beat this setback in life. Buying this Livewire has rekindled my love of motorcycle riding. Yes my new specialist that's from outside the box, Dr Harley, is keeping me alive, kicking and grinning.
@@markkingston9444 Got to enjoy every second, life is too short for us all. I've been looking at the Chinese alternatives for e-motorbikes and they are progressing so fast that its hard to keep up. I believe small e-powered vehicles, especially the two wheels variety is the future. I wish Elon would have a stab at it, not sure if I would buy anything he makes but he has a way of pushing the tech that could be mighty useful. Have fun on that bike mate, should be a glorious Summer :)
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Great write up Mark! Just wondering, what are the servicing costs & intervals?
Yea I've ridden all the Zero motorcycles and the EV thing on a bike works really well. The noise does help tell cars you're there though. I used to think "loud pipes save lives" was bullshit spread by leather-clad doctors with tassels on their handle bars, but then I owned a bike with loud pipes and the difference in safety is real.
The HD turn signal thing you really do get used to quickly. I have an HD but also have a KTM' and Hondas and BMW's, with conventional turn signals and once you ride it for a bit you get used to it and there's no learning curve, you seamlessly switch from one to the other. Fun fact; BMW's used to have the same style turn signals.
This is what the Livewire should have been priced at originally.
I rode one of these two weeks ago and I cannot stop thinking about it. It’s sooooooo good. I was calculating payments the minute I got home. It’s really still an expensive motorcycle .
The new infrastructure bill that passed allows up to $7500 rebate on E-Bikes.
@@davydwalker8554 I’ve been paying very close attention to that one. We’ll see how it does in the Senate. If it passes I’ll be all over this.
@@davydwalker8554 if so sold
Look for a used Zero... I got my SR for $10k (it has less than 1,200 miles on it)....
@@bikebudha01 where did you find your zero, Craigslist?
Idk who needs to hear this, but internal combustion was never the reason people stopped buying Harleys.
@Scroto T Baggins - Clearly, you haven’t been around modern Harleys.
@@cmdrdarwin3682 Living in Milwaukee the dude is right. The average rider is 50 at least. I rev bomb them in my GT350 as payback.
@Scroto T Baggins screw
People don’t like to admit it but new Harleys are fantastic. I rode this bike when it came out and it’s phenomenal. Also M8 bikes with an aftermarket cam is wonderful, truly a great motor. The new softail frame is the best bike the MoCo has ever made hands down. They’re killing it but people love to hate. Apples to apples they are well priced too.
Everyone who bought one a year ago has to be so upset 😆
Nah, they all still have the harley badges. Apprently they are worth double the weight in gold. 😂 They'll be fine
@@starfox_wr-45e93 yea
Yeah, those three guys are probably pretty kicking themselves for not waiting...
All six of them.
@@starfox_wr-45e93 do you think that badge will offer the 12k deficit?
When stopped at a intersection keep the bike in gear and ready to "escape". You are the small thing that will get crushed so always have several escape plains.
Not in LA! You lane split to the front of the line, which is way safer than other places where you have to sit behind a car.
@@TheSmokingTire I really wish that was legal in all states. In particularly congested areas or highways with high speed limits I typically do it anyway, but man does it make a lot of people angry.
@@47MasoN47 Proof that people are self centered pieces of ignorant shit. A bike lane splitting is one less bit of traffic for those cars to have to deal with and is infinitely safer for the rider, it BENEFITS everyone yet they still get angry because you don't have to suffer as much as them even though they benefit from you doing it too. This is why we can't have nice things.
The start of this video was like a segment on the Shopping Channel 😂
Oh wow, I had no idea the price dropped so much. I'm seriously considering buying one now
the range is what hurts heavy, seems like its a short distance rider, it is different for sure but like he said they dropped in price and my buddy got one for 21K Canadian last year. I personally bought an EV car an got a 2020 H2 SX SE for my fun
Is the high pitched inverter noise that we can hear in the video audible in real life? That would drive me bananas.
yes it is. its not bad. you get use to it.
Buckle up that helmet Matt! We like your videos we need you full health ;)
Hahaha just got to the part of the video where you realize it! Happens all the time, so easy to forget. I do it too, and I don't have a mic and 4 cameras to worry about
Just rode one today. Totally agree. It's a fantastic machine, built like a serious motorcycle with high end components, unlike its chintzy competitors. Like all EV's, the highway range is a problem but if I were in a position to have an extra bike, this would be the one.
At $22k, it’s the same price as my Corolla. Unless a newer more affordable LiveWire comes out, I might have to settle for a Zero S for half the cost. I don’t want my bike to cost the same or more than my daily car.
There are several bikes out now topping over 20k today. But you and everyone are along the same lines of thought process. The Motorcycle market is crashing hard and if it wasn't for VWAG owning Ducati, there is no way they could support themselves with the prices they are asking for bikes. Same with BMW for that matter.
I’m not sure it’s even competing against the S in Zero’s range, more like the SR/F and SR/S which both are over $20k
Nice video Matt, I like that you reviewed this bike for what it is.
Living in a rural area where riding at 55-70 MPH as the norm, I would like to see a 150 mile highway range to facilitate riding a couple hours and the a half hour fast charge to 80%, and keep the weight under 550 lbs.
As a city bike, this looks like it would be a great Roadster. You mentioned that it is gear limited to 110 mph, do you see a case for multiple speeds elevating the experience?
I'm in LA and this is the ultimate city commuter bike. Once I pay off my Monster I'm picking one of these up to daily drive. It's too expensive but nothing else does what it does.
@@shane864 plz elaborate
Great vid ... The quality is amazing...it was so good I couldn't finish watching it
WOW! Impressive! Give a few years and it’ll be going for 10-15k with 250 plus mile range.
That would be where I would consider buying one bc 22k still sounds like a pain
Then have to charge 11 hours for another 250 lol Trash!
A few years? Maybe in 10 years, maybe. For me to even consider an EV bike I want to see a 300 mile range and 10-15 min charge time. Otherwise, forget it. Modern motorcycles are highly efficient, so the EV really solves no real world problems.
Matt, How does the coast mode feel? Some electric cars are awkward because they are programmed to stop quickly when you let off on the accelerator instead of coasting like all petrol vehicles do. The "active braking" (if they have one in the system) should be activated by the brake lever.
you can disable regenerative braking
For those of us that don't want to go 110mph, are there any tradeoffs in going to a shorter final drive?
this looks like it may be a great commuter bike.. are there saddlebags that you can get with/for it?
Unfortunately there aren't any official ones at the moment, but companies are always in product development. I took some luggage racks off a Pan America and installed them on my LiveWire, so now I can use the hard or soft cases.
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It lost TEN GRAND by lopping off the Harley brand or did they change anything / started selling it at a loss?
With new things companies are unsure about they price them to cover the design and tooling costs with fewer purchases. They probably got more interest than they thought, already paid off most of the design and tooling costs, and can now sell them closer to what it costs them to build per unit.
For example if something costs 100 million in design and tooling and I'm only planning to sell 10k then I need 10k per bike to cover the design and tooling. If I expected to sell 100k off the bat I'd only need 1k per bike to cover the design and tooling. If. change my plan halfway through I may drastically change how much I need to ask per bike to see profit though.
@@christopherpedersen1820 Oh cool, i honestly thought they weren’t selling. 10 grand off (even if its old stock, let alone factory fresh) is still massive though, specially in the bike world.
There was no good reason for the old price. They just relied on the brand and early adopter/idiots, but it didn't work. They had to spin it off because Hardly riders mostly want to make noise to achieve recognition by society.
@@chrissorreda4982 they weren't selling. That other BS explanation is typical PR speak.
@@truantray screw
Thanks for this very enjoyable review. I felt like I was riding it myself.
So, I am a gear head as well, making me, I think even more interested in electric cars and bikes. As a kid, I used to race slot cars, of course electric. I have always known about that torque advantage. I am like you. I hope we can keep both.
If these gas prices keep going up I might have to get one.
Seat height? How tall are you and can you flat foot it? Thanks.
12:24 even when you stop riding, the bike still wanna keep you stimulated ~ lol
These bike reviews are awesome. Keep it up.
Not having the vibrations over a long ride alone make this awesome. How long does it take to charge to 80%?
40 - 45 mins on DC fast charge (level 3)
Hey so I was thinking of buying a bike when I'm 18 and think I want an electric one. Would you recommend this one??
Yep! The torque and power can be adjusted in the menu settings, so you can ease yourself into the power as you gain more experience.
I wonder if there's an app so you can get the Harley sound out of this bicycle
Why would anyone want a motorcycle that is quiet?? Louder the better and safer
Everyone rides for different reasons. I actually prefer the silence
Sold. I will absolutely be getting one.
Livewire ONE 😃😆😅🤣😂😉
Does it have mounting for a box?
Not officially, although there are a few owners in the community that have made their own solutions.
So nice no more overheating
22k is still exorbitant. With more competition will come a lower price. I'd want more lights since its so quiet. Why not see me better? I rode this last week and it's nice despite having a '21 Streetbob. What about bag amd windshield options too? And please- easy on the jerky head movements! Thanks for the video.
According to their spec site level 1 and level 2 charging speeds are the same. Are you experiencing different?
Yes, although the bike can accept level 2 charging, it drops the amps down considerably to a level 1 rate.
Hi Mr. Matt
Just ordered mine!
The 146 miles of range are city miles. highway miles are less 99 miles, just like in a gas vehicle.
Imagine, the future with Hell's Angels, and Bandidos riding electric motorcycles.......the future is indeed a scary place.
Hella good effort. Ninja.
Can’t wait for their electric flat-trackers, too.
Is it too powerful to be a first bike?
Hi Allan, I am actually looking at the LiveWire One and Energica Eva Ribelle for my first bike. Since there is "rain mode" and "eco", and also custom modes that we can choose, the bikes can be made beginner friendly. We can then change the settings as we build experience. Considering we don't have to worry about shifting/clutch work plus custom modes... I think these could be a first bike!
This is the ONLY Harley I would ever consider. It looks great and EV bikes suit motorcycling (for commuting and day trips). I would miss clutch/gears but it seems like a relaxing ride.
You know a sportster 1200 or a dyna super glide with an actual muffler and not the obnoxious straight pipes are really enjoyable and sporty scooters. Dont let the moronic orange county chopper style loud delapidaed tractors give good bikes a bad name.
No, you won't miss shifting if you drive in the city. It's a revelation not to have to shift in city traffic.
@Truth Decentralization Witty and stupid all in one post. Congratulations!
I don't see how EV bikes suit motorcycling at all. They are completely inconvenient with such a short range. I'd go 50 miles from my house and have to turn around. The efficiency and convenience of the gas motorcycle really makes an EV bike a novelty. I'll never own one unless it has gears and I can recharge it in 10 mins.
I stopped watching at "they took the Harley Davidson logo off and now it's $10K cheaper"
Fun fact: While the Venn diagram of the people who want Harley Davidsons and the people who want an electric motorcycle has no overlap, there’s a surprisingly substantial overlap between the Harley Davidson market and the vibrating butt plug market.
Time to install your pinlock visor to your helmet Matt. lol
Re the split blinker switch,
BMW had it in the early to mid 2000's until their customers complained enough for them to put normal ones on.
It's a terrible system.
Great video, answered all my questions except for "why do motorcyclists think they don't have to wait behind other cars waiting for a light to change?" D-Bag move
lane splitting is legal in some states
why cant we generate power while the bike is running 🤔 using the already rotating wheels to generate energy
The question is, Will Matt go electric to replace the Vespa???
A motorcycle is no replacement for a Vespa. EV or otherwise. If Vespa made an electric model with the power equivalent of my 300, I’d switch right away
Yep, people hate on scooters too much... they should try them.
@@TheSmokingTire have you looked at the super73 or other scooter styled E-bikes?
@@TheSmokingTire BMW makes an electric scooter, might be worth a look :D
Get the pinlock for that helmet, never experience fogging again
I rode an Aprilia Tuono for a few years. And I'm not a fan of electric cars. But I could get on board having a fast bike that you don't have to shift. Much much safer. They do need to add some sort of noise so people could hear you coming. I'll get one a few years from now when they are cheaper and more readily available
I rode a demo model and bought one later that week. I love everything about the Livewire. Go on a demo ride.
Harley guys certainly aren't going to like this. After all it ruins their ability to be truly obnoxious.
Yay!
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The power is . . . delightful.
Heavy, not that fast, short range. I guess its a cool toy for people in LA or Paris, but not for most.
I understand all this electric scooters, electric motorcycle it’s all about saving gas I get it you guys solved that. Here’s my another concern. Since it’s electric cars don’t hear you but, you’re there. For safety can they put speakers with module with different sounds of motorcycles so that cars they know you’re there. I hope they thought about that.
Custom mirrors.. I heard that. And that can be a game changer. I am drooling over this bike. I'm going to have to knock over a newsstand. That is a little pricy. Wow! I am going to have to swing it. It is too sweet. I think I have to do it. The center of gravity is visible when you see it ridden. It looks stuck to the ground. Or on rails. 🤤
Somehow in Canada this bike is $37k CDN. Bonkers.
I'm curious if the lack of sound will result in more cars coming over on you.
I had people cut me up on a V-Twin fitted with an open carbon "silencer"
folk don't hear noise from behind, especially in modern cars with their soundproofing and big stereos.
Best to just ride defensively and assume they haven't seen you. Not died yet
I have to say, it looks like, and sounds like, a bit of a punishing ride.
Level 2 charging time is identical to Level 1… so overnight charging for both.
Great video.
I'm not a motorcycle person, I've never ridden, and although I've thought about it, the urge has never been strong enough to do anything about it.... But man... THIS thing is attractive!
While I love the idea of E motorcycles, nowadays when every goddamn car driver constantly looks into a phone instead of on the road riding a completely silent motorcycle is deadly. I know they're not completely silent for riders but they are for people in their cars.
I know what you mean, but it really doesn’t matter how loud the bike is. If a driver is off in La La land, you could be driving an ambulance with the lights flashing and sirens blaring & still not see you coming. I’ve ridden over 10+ years, I ride like they can’t see me & it’s kept me relatively safe thus far.
Yeah, no... Loud bikes don't get people's attention. If anything, all they do is prevent you from hearing the car behind you. Having switched to electric, the silence makes you far more aware of your surroundings. (And the idiots on cell phones won't see/hear you anyway...)
@@bikebudha01 hmmm interesting but do you really hear other cars if you wearing a full helmet? even though your motorcycle is electric dont you hear more wind in your helment than anything else from the outside?
@@Voltomess At freeway speeds, yes, wind noise becomes very loud. But around town, even with full helmet, you can hear everything. It's wonderful.
modern day cars are silent inside..I operate an ambulance and have been behind people with sirens blaring who don't notice.. we had to put literal train horns in the trucks so the days of loud bikes getting attention are gone.. but maybe a fiber optic light pattern would be good?
UGH - lane filtering jealousy
im heart broken its not a Harley anymore
The lack of a loud exhaust noise definitely won’t help compensate for any rider’s ED.
Just thinking about the Honda ads for the smooth 6 cylinder goldwing. You know, the one balancing a coin on it? Not the smoothed anymore 💁
Lookin thick on that little bike, no wonder it’s burning up the range.
doing a zipper maneuver when there is no traffic is illegal
Fact: Electric bikes will only ever be city commuter bikes until they increase the range to 250 miles of highway riding (with a 30 minute or less charge time).
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And that day can't come soon enough. I own a Zero SR, and in the city, damm - it's the shit. But it can only go 70 miles at 70mph. Which means I don't ever take it out of the city. Which is a shame. Someday, hopefully soon, batteries will 2x or 3x their capacity (in a given size)....
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In the meantime, I really wish Livewire and Zero et al, would start building bikes FOR the city experience. Some usable storage, GOOD accommodations for a passenger, etc...
Hopefully. Because when that happens, the price of the current Livewire will drop significantly. Then you can afford such a thing even as a low earner xD...
However, I fear that this will still take a very long time.
We need a real quantum leap in battery technology. Sure, modern batteries are better than the old lead acid of years gone by, but it's only a minor improvement. And, they are not sustainable. The rare metals in modern batteries are going to be problem. Only so much available and recycling is still a question. Until I can get 300 mile range and a 10-15 min charge time, I have no interest and that includes the EV cars. The cars should be getting 1,000 mile ranges and maybe a half hour to hour charge time.
Yep Matt is buying one!
2:00 to skip advert...
Test rode the LiveWire. It was okay. Found it too heavy for my taste. Prefer my Zero DSR. More range, easier to charge, less cost. Zero as a company has had more time to refine EV bikes as well.
I went from the DSR to the Livewire. Slower charging on the Zero is one of the main reasons I switched over to the LiveWire
Haven't heard Spike's name since Car Matchmaker stopped airing. That was a great show...
Spikes car radio is a fun podcast if you like podcasts
Dude, long time watcher/listener, first time commenter...You know that strap on the helmet is kinda necessary, right? Ask Marco Simoncelli.
Thanks for all the good content over the years.
ahahaha...edit for 'spoke too soon'
Electric motorcycle good but what happend your going straight and car making left turn doesnt gears you coming??
Dumb bikes for 22k I don’t see the value for that price point.
I did enjoy Matt talking about his butt vibrations.
The roads in LA man. What a state
video starts @2:00
@Scroto T Baggins Does youtube show that I skipped the in-video ad? I will watch them if it helps Matt.
@Scroto T Baggins he might be that, but it's nice for me to know. I don't shave so it's just nice to know where the video actually starts.
@@akjdhfkqwrhetkjanfvkkkresae Sort of. To the best of my knowledge, it doesn't show exactly how far ahead you skipped (whether you only skipped the ad or jumped all the way to the middle or end of the video), but Creators on TH-cam can see at which points in the video how many people closed the video, rewound, or jumped forward in the video.
If only the CCS was op in the 20kW.
10 is just not really a touring stop chargetime.
How many of these are going to end up flying into living rooms?
Not capable of flight unfortunately...unless ramps are involved.
22K is not cheap. That is not entry level price.
Like an e-bike, but much faster and much more expensive!
Why did Harley spring this part of their company off? I can guess some reasons, but you know for sure?
The rumor is that Harley was having a hard time selling the bike to their established customer base, who were die hard petrol enthusiasts - although most of us that own them are still in their target demographic. Looking at LiveWire's marketing efforts, they are trying to appeal to a younger customer demographic. Makes sense, but sucks that they lost the Harley branding, even though the bikes are still being made in the same harley factories.
Question, are the charging stations powered by what type of grid? Is the grid from solar farms only, wind farm only, a natural gas powered power plant?
Depends on where you live... WA state, for example, gets most of their power via hydro (dams)... very green...
Still not the bike for me, I think the upcoming Damon Hypersport will change a lot of minds about electric bikes. Assuming they can nail down good service coverage within the US.
Exactly my thoughts. Much better vehicle for 3k more
Did not sell. Leads to Price drop In order to sell more. Now higher numbers cannot be built due to chip shortage?
I totally thought you were just being a jerk splitting the lanes like that but im glad you said its legal out in California. Differences in being on the opposite side of the country I suppose!
Best part of living in California. Motorcycles are literal time machines here in LA with all the traffic. I could never go back to the midwest where people act like you insulted their mother if you skip ahead of traffic.
I don’t ride bikes cos I’m too scared - and the video of the freeway makes me think I’m making the right decision! Looks very exposed… But it does seem the ideal transport solution in a city. Does it have regen? Ie can you do “one-pedal” driving?
Not that we call it one pedal driving, but yes you can use regen braking to slow down the bike when you release the throttle. It's quite effective and is fun to ride. It can be a scary experience, especially at first, however riding a motorcycle is one of the most freeing experiences!
I don't see 100k units sold per year.
Haptic feedback that’s the same stuff in my ps5 controller how funny
Finally, concrete proof that a HD badge costs $10k. Really, go look at all HD, subtract 10k, and you'll see they become price competitive with every other brand...
Even $10k less nets a horribly designed bike, like the new Sportster with 1.5" of suspension travel, WTF.
@@truantray um, what's wrong with the livewire in terms of design? (Short of tiny one passenger seat, no storage, etc)...
How used would it need to be y'all think to get down to about $10K. I don't mind buying used bikes, you find allot of barely used ones, owned by people with money. Those types can afford to take care of things. They also appreciate cash. Don't negotiate over the phone, get there look decent, don't bring any wheels off friends. Test drive, then show them the money. You can some incredible deals.
I want one with TBars