For us northern folk, we call it "running a stinger" when jigging walleyes. Keep the main hook and run a size 8-10 treble on a pre tied piece of braid aka "stinger hook" and it'll change your life. When we Jigs we let the hook free swing but when we're casting we'll one hook it back into the body. Works well for threaded on live bait as well. 👊
Absolute game changer! I fish swimbaits 50% of the time and I can attest, short strikes are very common. Best believe this will be my set up on my next trip. Thanks for sharing!
Great tip! If I may add too, rig your swim jig as normal. Tie a Palomar knot to the jig head leaving the existing hook on, tie your treble hook to the tag end of the Palomar knot and insert treble hook accordingly. 😊👍🏻
I was wondering why you wouldn't leave the hook on the jig head? Seems like a person would have 4 hooks rather than 3. Plus you've added a short knot to lure and seems risky to gamble on this?
@@julienichols4188 I think the reason he cut off the hook is because as he explained it he does not want the lure in the fish's mouth when he hooks it.
We use this rig all the time when fishing for pikes. Due to the bigger swimbaits we leave the jig head intact and just add the stinger. Instead of clipping the hook of the Okashira jig head you could also use screw in heads (e.g. Gunki g'fish screw from 3/16 all the way up to 1oz)
that's what i was thinking ......why not just leave the main hook intact ..🤷♂ (half a rookie angler) but my thoughts are wouldn't you also lose more baits if you cut the main hook off .. I know there's usually a wire barb keeper but the hook would help hold the bait to the head (just Thinking out loud )
@@djradrs199 thats what i was mainly concerned about is losing my swim baits because im not a pro and have them given to me lol they r kinda pricey now days..
@@C-Smith-87 agreed !! i'm not into pouring lead,, but i do paint the pre made stuff because it's fun and a lil cheaper ,,, wife found a BRAND NEW (with the warranty card and manual) mini toaster oven at a thrift store for $9.00 to bake the jig head after powder painting them ,,, watched sdg custom lure craft channel and copied his fluid bed set up (SWEET SET UP) and the guy is a master lure maker !! couple parts from home depot and a $10 aquarium pump off amazon WA LA ... it's fun and I just make stuff for my own use .... I also thought ??? why not just leave the hook on !!... ( AFTER I LOST 2 HEADS WHEN THE FISH CAME UP AND SHOOK THEM OFF AND SENT THEM FLYING ) LOL LOL ...
@@djradrs199 i have always wanted to do something like that and pour my own soft plastics but the molds are deff an investment $$ but 8m sure 8n the long run and you fish a lot it will pay for itself soon. And 100% agree with leaving the jig hook on
@@-MAX813- how does someone love bass fishing,is a long time professional,and hasn't heard of Butch? Guy was all over magazines and articles with his huge 50 lb bags for years...smh doesn't make sense
I've been making this trap rig for hailbut. After I get the proper length, I use duo locks. Then I can add them to the eye, and change my grub, or swimbaits accordingly. Each size if bait, get their own sets of traps....pre- made. No time loss on water rigging. Hope this helps someone.
I usually use this rig when fishing for pike. You can also prep varying lengths in advance with loops at the end. Instead of attaching it directly to the jig-head, you can simply hang it in the snap with your jig-head. Also I leave the jig's hook intact. This way I can use shorter jigs to allow for more play in my baits while also reducing dead strikes due to the stinger which is changeable and the rig stays adjustable when I change my bait's size. When fishing for pike I use a wire leader. A good way to circumvent the use of jig-heads for shallow fishing is to use screws and 1-2 stingers depending on the size of the lure. Some screws come with adjustable weights but you can also use pear shaped weights to hang in the snap to adjust to the situation.
I wish I would have seen this a week ago. I was fishing a spinner bait with a paddle tail swim bait attached. Upon retrieving the bait through the muck, a huge boil occurred right at the boat and the swim bait was bitten off exactly where you placed the treble hook! Thanks for a great tip!
Randy if I could only show people how far Iv came from watching you and just a handful of other serious angler's over the past 3 years. Jacked my 3rd 20in smallie of the year today, caught it on a flashy swimmer with a 3in spark shad(ayu) using my St. Croix 6ft 8 mhf paired with abu garcia revo x on 12lb suffix elite. Im still so jacked , caught on second cast of the morning. Randy I felt the moment. I knew it was about to happen . I pictured in my head wg=hat was about to happen and it did. Now I had no ideal it was goin to be another 5#r but she was. Dude I promise you put these tips and things to practice. And there SHOULD be a bunch of hard days, hell there always will be. But when it pays off, oh what a feeling. Thanks for sharing all the juice Randy, some of us really need it.
Thank you. I always wondered about how efficient the hook was with the traditional rigging of the swim bait. This definitely addresses the obvious issue with a short strike.
Wow Randy Thanks for the Tip. I was fishing Big Joshy's with a normal weighted head just today and lost 3 or 4 fish because they were only biting the tail. I'm definitely going to be trying this out.
Technically speaking for us in California you can't have more than 3 books on a lure. So for us cutting the hook off of the jig head would be necessary to stay within the regulations.
Thank you Randy,.. Ive been following you since you went under bridges in Buggs Island (Kerr Resv). I realize how valuable a "Secret" rig or bait truly is. and I signed up today.. Looking forward to watching you! Bob W.
It may be time consuming initially but you can use the rig over and over. The thing you have to do is keep checking the line from the eye to the hook and change if becomes worn or nicked.
Agreed. First thing I thought. Run the whole jig head and the stinger. Halibut style. Baits add up, and there's too many used plastic baits in our lakes as well. Most plastic baits sink now adays from all the impregnated salt. Here in our lakes, so many bass have bellys full of soft plastic baits. To the point the many can't feed properly.
That’s so great! An additional tip since you’re already altering it, is to wrap some dental floss around the jig neck and add a drop of superglue before sliding on the lure. I’m a new subscriber. Thanks for the vid! Tight lines!
I will most certainly try this method, I also love to use a trailing hook setup, adding a second hook to that single hook in the plastic paddle tail... It gets them every time, trying to nip the tail off 😁
We’ve been doing something similar, found with speckled trout, we have to use larger test line. They are toothy and treble hooks tend to snag deeper into the throat of trout with the line going across their teeth. I tried using like a trailer hook around shank of jig hook with mixed results. It tends to stiffen the action of plastic.
Same here for Speckled Trout. I used a trailer hook for a while, but found that I was catching a lot of small trout that couldn't reach the jig head hook , the reason for the short strike,, so I went back to only using the jig head without a trailer hook.
I just bought some 6th sense line through swimbait jig heads that do this basically but you put your line through the nose of the jig head and the head also has a screw lock to hold the swimbait on. Then you just add your own treble hook to the back! I can't wait to try them out!
I honestly thought I was subscribed, I have been watching for months. I am for sure subscribed now with notifications on. Great tip thanks for the video.
Wow thanks! I've been missing fish for a long time and just couldn't figure out why. I'm definitely going to subscribe and like. And now I can watch all of your videos.
Thank you for ur knowledge,experience & wisdom !! What u GIVE can turn an average angler into a good to a competitive angler if u intake and apply!! equal to 10 or more years of personal experience on the pond! I appreciate ur gifts of techniques and ur honesty. Sincerely. Catch'em up this year you are deserving God bless you and ur family Sir
Basically it's a stinger hook without the main hook. I'm from europe and i'm using stingers for years on decent sized rubbers, but i'm not removing the main hook, i see no reason to do that when fishing for pike or zander. And if i am fishing without a main single hook and use only trebles instead i'm always using either screw-in heads or shallow screws plus a cheburashka weight. A clipped jighead will very easily loose the swimbait so you need to put some superglue on to hold the bait.
Been using a add on stinger set- up for eyes which sometimes short strike on jigs. Works great with crawlers also, let’s you catch that 12”pesky perch, hey a fish sandwich is a fish sandwich.
interesting, i lost a decent fish 2 days ago he bit the tail off my zoom swimmin fluke. i knew the body was too long for my hook, i was just hoping the bass would go for the head, and i been thinkin about that missed hook set since then. today, you make this video! gonna do this with my underspin
I just watched the video and was thinking about leaving the hook and making a trailer hook for short strikes with this method....and I think it would make the bait stay in position during harder casting or in the wind.
I did this in Havasu after losing a couple on a GT 360 searcher swim bait. Instead of cutting the hook I added the treble to the bottom belly . Never missed one since.
here in europe that rig is standard for preetator fishing like pike. the trebble hook is called a stinger and for pike we use a wire . we leave the hook on . just make a loop at the end and put it over the eye. no need to tie a knot. Its hold in place by a snap which is connected to the mainline or additional wire or whatever you use. so you can exchange both the bait or and the stinger really quick .
I was doing this with a treble hook but left the swim head hook and put the treble on the bottom. I never thought about it your way Randy because mine was not weedless at all and cutting the hook and putting the treble on the top really will help streamline the lure and make it much more weedless. Thanks for this video it solves my problem!
Is this really uncommon in the US? We do this often in Europe, some brands have jigheads with an extra eye to attach your stinger. You can also make a free rig where the treble dislodges from the bait completely and the line can run freely so the fish can't throw the bait as easily, which works particularly well with large swimbaits.
My trout rid is much like this and it's a killer. I use a gold Aberdeen to nose hook a 2" rubber critter with the treble in trail like you have. A split shot 8" up the line. Never thought to up size it.
Done this before, but I leave the hook intact on the jighead, then tie on a regular hook to the eye and thread it through the back and out the top just like you would with a jighead. Keeps much better, way more solid of a hold and accomplishes the same thing
QUESTION: Randy, given the correct under-spin head with a line tie directly under the head, would you consider doing the same setup but only under the belly like a MagDraft? Do you believe having the hook on top is superior?
I was putting the treble on the bottom and left the swim head hook. It’s not weedless when I like to fish this type of lure over weeds or right next to weed lines sometimes hitting the grass with the bottom of the lure generates strikes just like a lipless. Cutting the swim head hook and putting the treble on the top allows you to fish the grass and weeds. The treble on the bottom takes that advantage away.
@@americanagothic7851 I also fish weeds and rocks, probably this baits' strongest advantage, and I've been looking to get these slacker fish that nip the tail. I think for me and the pike I fish, I'll keep that main hook and use wire to a smaller treble with the 3rd hook clipped off the bottom.
I've never seen this in bass fishing but it makes perfect sense. There are a lot of non-redundant fail points at the same time though worth mentioning. The knots would need to be 110% perfect 3 times on same rig, that's the only thing I'd be concerned about and once hooked you don't exactly have a direct line feel right to the fish if that makes sense.
Hey Randy the best way I found use a rivet the hollow little metal Piece insert in swim bait then thread your line through tie treble straight to line works great try it you might like it
ive been doing this same thing with spinnerbaits i find on the river where the hook is rusted past sharpening i just clip it straight polish the blades and tie on a baitholder wire and rig it up with a swim bait and treble
From Randy’s description; rigging it this way allows the hook to depart the bait which helps to prevent the fish from throwing the bait. Makes sense to me. I’ve got to try it this way.
Yea but how many swim baits do you go thru using the jig head and just. Driving into the swim baits plus if it comes off there goes your swim bait on the 1st fish. And still in good use.
Because its rigged out of the top. You would have to rig the jig head upside down to do what your talking about. And that would defeat the purpose because its to reduce the fishes leverage
@@ICYPROFITS The benefit of this rig is for short strikes, correct? So doing this with the original jig head hook intact, would be the same as a trailer hook on a spinnerbait. So the basic question I was asking is, why cut the original hook off? What’s the benefit to having just the treble hook?
@@derickstufflebeam1624 like he said in the video because it gives the fish more leverage to come off if you are just using the jig head. The same way pegging your weight does when flipping. With the free floating treble you increase your hook up because its not in a position to turn and blow out of the fishes mouth. Think of it almost as a snell knot and the hook movement versus a regular knot. That free hook movement is what you are after. The same reason treble hooks aren't soldered onto a crankbait. Also you dont want to effect the action of the bait or the look.
I bet those jig heads come flying out the swim bait often... with the original hook and a quick strike treble to the back you have more surface area to hook up
Could you run your main line (or fine wire) straight through the eye of the jig head and hold the 'hook' length in place with line stops? this then becomes adjustable and also you have less knots as weak points.
So why not just us the jig with hook and then back it up with the treble stinger?? It just seems like your going to keep losing your swim bait body each fish you catch or time you cast..
I'm here because I've missed like 3 big fish this week cause they either spit my hook out or they body slammed my swimbait to "stun" it and I didn't get a hook up when I was LITERALLY in contact with the sucker. I bought some deep diving crankbaits with two trebles, but this is a much more economical solution to my problem. Real pro tip here for sure.
Great tip🌟.Thanks 💡 I was looking for it like for years.Im loosing big smallies often.Not so much issues with smaller size ones.Eventhough Iwas experienced changing hooks and fishing rod. Definitely I'm going to try very soon .Next week perhaps..That's the best time to get those big 5 and over five# smallies early in the spring on the swimbait thank you .My favorite bait to target the big Mammas.😊
This is outstanding info, and I don’t care who may have done it first, you’re showing us now, thanks for the awesome tip!
For us northern folk, we call it "running a stinger" when jigging walleyes. Keep the main hook and run a size 8-10 treble on a pre tied piece of braid aka "stinger hook" and it'll change your life. When we Jigs we let the hook free swing but when we're casting we'll one hook it back into the body. Works well for threaded on live bait as well. 👊
Absolute game changer! I fish swimbaits 50% of the time and I can attest, short strikes are very common. Best believe this will be my set up on my next trip. Thanks for sharing!
My future rig also.
Yeah, for me it’s about 1 fish outta 5 hits. Some days worse, some days better. It can get frustrating for sure.
Really cuz I've lost a single fish on a squadron head and five inch rage swimmer and it wasn't a short striker it jumped and spit it
Great tip! If I may add too, rig your swim jig as normal. Tie a Palomar knot to the jig head leaving the existing hook on, tie your treble hook to the tag end of the Palomar knot and insert treble hook accordingly. 😊👍🏻
That's more like it.
That sounds like an awesome idea I will have to try soon ! Thanks Alot !
Sounds good but I'm thinking dip the tag back in the bait with a needle and out the tail then add the tribel hook at the tail
I was wondering why you wouldn't leave the hook on the jig head? Seems like a person would have 4 hooks rather than 3. Plus you've added a short knot to lure and seems risky to gamble on this?
@@julienichols4188 I think the reason he cut off the hook is because as he explained it he does not want the lure in the fish's mouth when he hooks it.
We use this rig all the time when fishing for pikes. Due to the bigger swimbaits we leave the jig head intact and just add the stinger. Instead of clipping the hook of the Okashira jig head you could also use screw in heads (e.g. Gunki g'fish screw from 3/16 all the way up to 1oz)
that's what i was thinking ......why not just leave the main hook intact ..🤷♂ (half a rookie angler) but my thoughts are wouldn't you also lose more baits if you cut the main hook off .. I know there's usually a wire barb keeper but the hook would help hold the bait to the head (just Thinking out loud )
@@djradrs199 thats what i was mainly concerned about is losing my swim baits because im not a pro and have them given to me lol they r kinda pricey now days..
@@C-Smith-87 agreed !! i'm not into pouring lead,, but i do paint the pre made stuff because it's fun and a lil cheaper ,,, wife found a BRAND NEW (with the warranty card and manual) mini toaster oven at a thrift store for $9.00 to bake the jig head after powder painting them ,,, watched sdg custom lure craft channel and copied his fluid bed set up (SWEET SET UP) and the guy is a master lure maker !! couple parts from home depot and a $10 aquarium pump off amazon WA LA ... it's fun and I just make stuff for my own use .... I also thought ??? why not just leave the hook on !!... ( AFTER I LOST 2 HEADS WHEN THE FISH CAME UP AND SHOOK THEM OFF AND SENT THEM FLYING ) LOL LOL ...
@@djradrs199 i have always wanted to do something like that and pour my own soft plastics but the molds are deff an investment $$ but 8m sure 8n the long run and you fish a lot it will pay for itself soon. And 100% agree with leaving the jig hook on
Picasso Lures has some great Screw-In Heads.
Butch brown rig, been around for ages. I find it easier to control the length if you tie off to the line tie first, then tie the treble on.
I’ve never heard of Butch Brown
@@randyblaukatintuitive Few have, he’s a California swimbait pioneer, he rigs his hudds this way.
@@-MAX813- how does someone love bass fishing,is a long time professional,and hasn't heard of Butch? Guy was all over magazines and articles with his huge 50 lb bags for years...smh doesn't make sense
@@dontnonowuno9953 I’m not surprised, the whole swim bait scene is very niche, swimbaiters seem to live in a bit of a bubble.
@@billwhite7099 naw that was Mike Long.Butch was a pioneer of the big trout swim baits in Cali and has actual video catches of 50-60 lb sacks
Subscribed firstly because you come across as a straight talker & secondly because you know what you are on about.
I've been making this trap rig for hailbut. After I get the proper length, I use duo locks. Then I can add them to the eye, and change my grub, or swimbaits accordingly. Each size if bait, get their own sets of traps....pre- made. No time loss on water rigging. Hope this helps someone.
Yeah, we call that a "Rat Trap" here in the Channel Islands... Halibut killer.
Thanks for making us better fishermen and fisherwomen Randy! Appreciated.
Thanks you are the first bass guy I've seen doing this. Us walleye guys have been doing it for years to get the short bites. Awesome tip. 👌
Yup, just use a stinger.
What's a short bite?
Bro u just blew my mind I was hoping someone would invent a swim bait with a treble on the back!!!! JUICE!!
That's one of the best tips Randy has done on his videos. Endless possibilities. Thank you Randy.
Just want to thank you for the humble opening on the subscription ask. That alone sold me.
I usually use this rig when fishing for pike. You can also prep varying lengths in advance with loops at the end. Instead of attaching it directly to the jig-head, you can simply hang it in the snap with your jig-head. Also I leave the jig's hook intact. This way I can use shorter jigs to allow for more play in my baits while also reducing dead strikes due to the stinger which is changeable and the rig stays adjustable when I change my bait's size. When fishing for pike I use a wire leader. A good way to circumvent the use of jig-heads for shallow fishing is to use screws and 1-2 stingers depending on the size of the lure. Some screws come with adjustable weights but you can also use pear shaped weights to hang in the snap to adjust to the situation.
I wish I would have seen this a week ago. I was fishing a spinner bait with a paddle tail swim bait attached. Upon retrieving the bait through the muck, a huge boil occurred right at the boat and the swim bait was bitten off exactly where you placed the treble hook! Thanks for a great tip!
1st time I’ve seen this. Thanks. Hope I don’t get too many pros mad at you. Thanks Randy
That’s a little something new that I haven’t seen as far as modification on a swim bait. Cool video
Randy if I could only show people how far Iv came from watching you and just a handful of other serious angler's over the past 3 years. Jacked my 3rd 20in smallie of the year today, caught it on a flashy swimmer with a 3in spark shad(ayu) using my St. Croix 6ft 8 mhf paired with abu garcia revo x on 12lb suffix elite. Im still so jacked , caught on second cast of the morning. Randy I felt the moment. I knew it was about to happen . I pictured in my head wg=hat was about to happen and it did. Now I had no ideal it was goin to be another 5#r but she was. Dude I promise you put these tips and things to practice. And there SHOULD be a bunch of hard days, hell there always will be. But when it pays off, oh what a feeling. Thanks for sharing all the juice Randy, some of us really need it.
Hey Todd, what model st croix? I fish out of the kayak and love my 6’8” mojo bass MF.
Yes its the Mojo, that I have as well. What an amazing rod! What reel do you have on your Mojo?
That is one of the best tips I have seen on TH-cam. Thanks for sharing.
Awesome, that’s the first time I’ve ever seen this. That’s the real deal. Thanks for sharing your years of fishing wisdom.
Thanks!!! I've been having a BIG problem with short strikes on swimbaits. I will definitely try that mod!
Great tip. You can also trim a bit off the top of the bait, which will allow the hook sit lower on the bait.
Excellent thinking. Definitely goingf to change the way I rig my soft swim baits and even plastic worms. Thanks.
Thank you. I always wondered about how efficient the hook was with the traditional rigging of the swim bait. This definitely addresses the obvious issue with a short strike.
If you've thrown a five inches rage swimmer the fish swallow them whole
Wow Randy Thanks for the Tip. I was fishing Big Joshy's with a normal weighted head just today and lost 3 or 4 fish because they were only biting the tail. I'm definitely going to be trying this out.
I really appreciate the tip! It's a very practical application and I will be in touch with the results!
Guys do that up north with hand tied walleye jigs. Awesome. Thanks Randy!!!
Something I’ve though about but never done. Wouldn’t it work just as well without removing the main hook?
Right? Why remove a hook?
Might cut line
I was thinking treble on bottom regular hook left ontop
@@ParkHopTillWeDrop that’s pretty common. The tip in the vid is a variation of sorts, and not as game-changing as he’s making out.
Technically speaking for us in California you can't have more than 3 books on a lure. So for us cutting the hook off of the jig head would be necessary to stay within the regulations.
Thank you Randy,.. Ive been following you since you went under bridges in Buggs Island (Kerr Resv). I realize how valuable a "Secret" rig or bait truly is. and I signed up today.. Looking forward to watching you! Bob W.
Wow. Now that is some great secret sauce! Amazing share bud!
I love it and now anxious to try. Fellow midwestern angler here in IL and have been dying to get to Table Rock and more. Ill be in touch soon!!
Thanks again Randy. You are the best! Much brotherly love.
It may be time consuming initially but you can use the rig over and over. The thing you have to do is keep checking the line from the eye to the hook and change if becomes worn or nicked.
I do this on flukes, never tried on a swim bait, but it makes perfect sense. Your channel is great. Keep sharing this great info
Iv seen some pike rigs like this on other channels but was never taught how to make them. Thanks again.
So true. I fish for Speckled Trout & Redfish & I have no idea how many times they just bite off my swim bait tails.
I use the same hack now. It works
That was awesome Randy. I never thought about doing that and I appreciate you telling us. Great video.
Do you find that the swim bait comes off once the treble releases from it? Doesn't seem like there's much holding it onto the jig head at that point.
Agreed. First thing I thought. Run the whole jig head and the stinger. Halibut style.
Baits add up, and there's too many used plastic baits in our lakes as well. Most plastic baits sink now adays from all the impregnated salt. Here in our lakes, so many bass have bellys full of soft plastic baits. To the point the many can't feed properly.
You superglue the jighead to the plastic
That’s so great! An additional tip since you’re already altering it, is to wrap some dental floss around the jig neck and add a drop of superglue before sliding on the lure.
I’m a new subscriber. Thanks for the vid! Tight lines!
Another really great tip, Randy. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks, Randy for your tips, and thanks for being a person who is selfless with his time.
I will most certainly try this method, I also love to use a trailing hook setup, adding a second hook to that single hook in the plastic paddle tail... It gets them every time, trying to nip the tail off 😁
We’ve been doing something similar, found with speckled trout, we have to use larger test line. They are toothy and treble hooks tend to snag deeper into the throat of trout with the line going across their teeth. I tried using like a trailer hook around shank of jig hook with mixed results. It tends to stiffen the action of plastic.
Same here for Speckled Trout. I used a trailer hook for a while, but found that I was catching a lot of small trout that couldn't reach the jig head hook , the reason for the short strike,, so I went back to only using the jig head without a trailer hook.
I stopped using treble hooks in the salt for the reason you list, plus getting hooks bent on larger fish.
I just bought some 6th sense line through swimbait jig heads that do this basically but you put your line through the nose of the jig head and the head also has a screw lock to hold the swimbait on. Then you just add your own treble hook to the back! I can't wait to try them out!
that looks mean and efficient... but why cant i keep the full jighead hook as well? or does it get in the way of the treble?
That's what I do but I use a bait holder hook for walleye using nightcrawlers
Great tip! Haven’t been able to get it tied yet but will keep trying
Great tip thanks for taking the time to share it.
I honestly thought I was subscribed, I have been watching for months. I am for sure subscribed now with notifications on. Great tip thanks for the video.
Thx man!
Wow thanks! I've been missing fish for a long time and just couldn't figure out why. I'm definitely going to subscribe and like. And now I can watch all of your videos.
Been doing this my entire life. Works great 👍
Excellent insight…was wondering if rigged as shown, does jig head ever separate from soft bait while casting?
For sure it would. Why not just keep the hook intact and add the treble?
Thank you you are very informative I appreciate that I am trying to get back into fishing so every little bit of info helps
Thank you for ur knowledge,experience & wisdom !! What u GIVE can turn an average angler into a good to a competitive angler if u intake and apply!! equal to 10 or more years of personal experience on the pond! I appreciate ur gifts of techniques and ur honesty.
Sincerely. Catch'em up this year you are deserving God bless you and ur family Sir
Thx Rick!
Hey I am Stingermic,thank you , great rig cheers from downunder
Basically it's a stinger hook without the main hook. I'm from europe and i'm using stingers for years on decent sized rubbers, but i'm not removing the main hook, i see no reason to do that when fishing for pike or zander. And if i am fishing without a main single hook and use only trebles instead i'm always using either screw-in heads or shallow screws plus a cheburashka weight. A clipped jighead will very easily loose the swimbait so you need to put some superglue on to hold the bait.
Been using a add on stinger set- up for eyes which sometimes short strike on jigs. Works great with crawlers also, let’s you catch that 12”pesky perch, hey a fish sandwich is a fish sandwich.
Ok I have to try this. Thanks for sharing.
interesting, i lost a decent fish 2 days ago he bit the tail off my zoom swimmin fluke. i knew the body was too long for my hook, i was just hoping the bass would go for the head, and i been thinkin about that missed hook set since then. today, you make this video!
gonna do this with my underspin
I just watched the video and was thinking about leaving the hook and making a trailer hook for short strikes with this method....and I think it would make the bait stay in position during harder casting or in the wind.
I did this in Havasu after losing a couple on a GT 360 searcher swim bait. Instead of cutting the hook I added the treble to the bottom belly . Never missed one since.
WOW!! incredible Randy.... thank you
Was taught years ago to do this with a coffee straw inserted and run the line attached to the treble to your 2nd hook ( jig head)
Our tackle shop were doing this with Castaic Trout swimbaits back in the early 2000s for largemouth and stripers.
here in europe that rig is standard for preetator fishing like pike. the trebble hook is called a stinger and for pike we use a wire . we leave the hook on . just make a loop at the end and put it over the eye. no need to tie a knot. Its hold in place by a snap which is connected to the mainline or additional wire or whatever you use. so you can exchange both the bait or and the stinger really quick .
Wow thanks for that one !!! So you’re using 2 Palomar knots? One on the hook and one on the eye of the bait?
I was doing this with a treble hook but left the swim head hook and put the treble on the bottom. I never thought about it your way Randy because mine was not weedless at all and cutting the hook and putting the treble on the top really will help streamline the lure and make it much more weedless. Thanks for this video it solves my problem!
Thanks for the great ideas.I think I'll try that.
Good stuff Randy.. Wish we could have seen what the action going through the water... The Frye Guy
Yes!
Is this really uncommon in the US? We do this often in Europe, some brands have jigheads with an extra eye to attach your stinger. You can also make a free rig where the treble dislodges from the bait completely and the line can run freely so the fish can't throw the bait as easily, which works particularly well with large swimbaits.
Great tip, however, I don't cut my jig hook off that way I don't lose the swim bait
That was a hard core tip thanks Randy
My trout rid is much like this and it's a killer. I use a gold Aberdeen to nose hook a 2" rubber critter with the treble in trail like you have. A split shot 8" up the line. Never thought to up size it.
Done this before, but I leave the hook intact on the jighead, then tie on a regular hook to the eye and thread it through the back and out the top just like you would with a jighead. Keeps much better, way more solid of a hold and accomplishes the same thing
Thank you! Definitely gna give this a try with my paddle tail swim baits
QUESTION: Randy, given the correct under-spin head with a line tie directly under the head, would you consider doing the same setup but only under the belly like a MagDraft? Do you believe having the hook on top is superior?
i think you get a better hook up ratio like this bc once the fish hit it then there’s two hooks in the roof of its mouth.
I was putting the treble on the bottom and left the swim head hook. It’s not weedless when I like to fish this type of lure over weeds or right next to weed lines sometimes hitting the grass with the bottom of the lure generates strikes just like a lipless. Cutting the swim head hook and putting the treble on the top allows you to fish the grass and weeds. The treble on the bottom takes that advantage away.
@@americanagothic7851 I also fish weeds and rocks, probably this baits' strongest advantage, and I've been looking to get these slacker fish that nip the tail.
I think for me and the pike I fish, I'll keep that main hook and use wire to a smaller treble with the 3rd hook clipped off the bottom.
I've never seen this in bass fishing but it makes perfect sense. There are a lot of non-redundant fail points at the same time though worth mentioning. The knots would need to be 110% perfect 3 times on same rig, that's the only thing I'd be concerned about and once hooked you don't exactly have a direct line feel right to the fish if that makes sense.
Awesome channel. Practical to learn
That's a great tip and there's nothing to keep you from tying these up ahead of need...do it while watching TV
Hey Randy the best way I found use a rivet the hollow little metal Piece insert in swim bait then thread your line through tie treble straight to line works great try it you might like it
We all know that trick also
Coudn't you just tie the treble to the original hook and not destroy a jig head?
And lose a boatload of swimbaits too! I think the TacticalBassin guys have a video on doing it this way.
Yes you can! Just add a stinger. We do it with jigs all the time.
I've used a weighted EWG hook and just hung the treble hook from the ewg hook. Learned it from Ike
ive been doing this same thing with spinnerbaits i find on the river where the hook is rusted past sharpening i just clip it straight polish the blades and tie on a baitholder wire and rig it up with a swim bait and treble
From Randy’s description; rigging it this way allows the hook to depart the bait which helps to prevent the fish from throwing the bait. Makes sense to me. I’ve got to try it this way.
Never had any trouble setting the hook on swimbaits before. I'll try this out, and see if it's worth the extra time...
Yea but how many swim baits do you go thru using the jig head and just. Driving into the swim baits plus if it comes off there goes your swim bait on the 1st fish. And still in good use.
Great info and thanks for sharing.
Because of the slack in the treble tie, why couldn’t you leave the original hook on the jig head?
Because its rigged out of the top. You would have to rig the jig head upside down to do what your talking about. And that would defeat the purpose because its to reduce the fishes leverage
@@ICYPROFITS The benefit of this rig is for short strikes, correct? So doing this with the original jig head hook intact, would be the same as a trailer hook on a spinnerbait. So the basic question I was asking is, why cut the original hook off? What’s the benefit to having just the treble hook?
@@derickstufflebeam1624 like he said in the video because it gives the fish more leverage to come off if you are just using the jig head. The same way pegging your weight does when flipping. With the free floating treble you increase your hook up because its not in a position to turn and blow out of the fishes mouth. Think of it almost as a snell knot and the hook movement versus a regular knot. That free hook movement is what you are after. The same reason treble hooks aren't soldered onto a crankbait. Also you dont want to effect the action of the bait or the look.
@@derickstufflebeam1624 Skip to 5:50, he explains why its beneficial
I bet those jig heads come flying out the swim bait often... with the original hook and a quick strike treble to the back you have more surface area to hook up
Could you run your main line (or fine wire) straight through the eye of the jig head and hold the 'hook' length in place with line stops? this then becomes adjustable and also you have less knots as weak points.
Won’t you loose more swimbaits this way? What’s keeping the swimbait on if the hook separates from the body.
So why not just us the jig with hook and then back it up with the treble stinger?? It just seems like your going to keep losing your swim bait body each fish you catch or time you cast..
Thnx for this video very informative.
How do you keep the jig head in the bait once your main line is attached? Do you need to glue it?
Thank you I can wait to try this What a Great Idea
Great advice as always Randy! Well done. 👊🏼
Yup. Works well up here in New Hampshire
Great information 😊
Excellent video man!
Incredible tip!! Exactly what I was looking for...getting bumped and nudged but no hook ups.
Any can't you leave jig with hook?
Does it impede it somehow?
Just asking
Great tip, hard core !🙂
Great tip Randy. Will definitely give this a try.
I'm here because I've missed like 3 big fish this week cause they either spit my hook out or they body slammed my swimbait to "stun" it and I didn't get a hook up when I was LITERALLY in contact with the sucker. I bought some deep diving crankbaits with two trebles, but this is a much more economical solution to my problem. Real pro tip here for sure.
Great tip🌟.Thanks 💡 I was looking for it like for years.Im loosing big smallies often.Not so much issues with smaller size ones.Eventhough Iwas experienced changing hooks and fishing rod. Definitely I'm going to try very soon .Next week perhaps..That's the best time to get those big 5 and over five# smallies early in the spring on the swimbait thank you .My favorite bait to target the big Mammas.😊
That’s a cool tip. Many Thanks