Answering a Priest’s Open Letter
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References:
1) An Open Letter to Atheists from a Priest | Breaking In The Habit: • An Open Letter to Athe...
2) Divine Command Theory: Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy: iep.utm.edu/divine-c/#H3
3) How Can Atheists Go To Heaven? | Catholic Answers: www.catholic.com/qa/how-can-a...
4) Annihilationism | Theopedia: www.theopedia.com/annihilatio...
5) The Selfish Gene 1976 | Richard Dawkins
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Timestamps:
00:00 A Good One?
02:12 Euthyphro Dilemma
03:19 Divine Justice
05:20 Divine Impairment
06:40 “Superstructure”
08:12 In Its Self
09:21 Aptitude
10:27 Mystery of God
12:04 Dawkins
13:00 Real Theologians
14:42 Not Enough
15:22 Regurgitating Fallacies
16:19 A Humble Message
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#priest #catholicism #atheism - บันเทิง
Shaved Irish monk vs thick bearded Viking
Historically this hasn't gone well for the monk
Lindisfarne CALMLY raided by berserker.
Well, in the end, the Scandinavians converted (before becoming protestants), but that's little in the way of condolence for the monk.
@@rationalityrules hey, one man's berserker is another man's righteous wrath from above in accordance to the will of his lord.
@@ZephLodwick
Did we?
We still celebrate Yule and Midsummers eve.
As soon as there were no repercussions of not going to church, we stopped going.
We (very generally speaking) never stopped being heathens, we just calmed down a bit and hid it.
@@FakingANerve Attila the Hun even claimed that he's the Scourge of God, though it's no doubt a flexing against the conquered.
“Declaring yourself an Atheist and going about your life isn’t enough.” I’ve never seen someone act so condescending while looking so peaceful about it.
😂😂😂
Most psychopaths do, but this one is merely acting like one because of his conviction and devotion to a psychopathic culture and religion.
I started to get the feeling his tone wasn’t meant for us… it’s meant to give that feeling if superiority to Christians. Overall, his target is not likely to be atheists… we know his questions don’t even make sense. My money is that he’s out here trying to give a false sense of superiority and show “grace”. 🙄😒
He's not peaceful, he's just smug.
To borrow from jesus:
Ey, man. He can't hear himself. Like farts but worse.
Thanks jesus, a 5' hispanic gardener.
The atheists think hard on life’s questions.
But can tolerate “I don’t know” as an answer.
That's agnosticism
@@Marco-yb1gh
That crack me up! 🤣
@@Marco-yb1gh most atheists are agnostics
Aah another atheist who doesn't understand that they ARE an atheist and talk as if they are not?
@@AndyCampbellMusic
Who are you referring to? 🙂
Agnostic atheists - agnostics leaning on atheism
Agnostic theists - agnostics leaning on theism
Gnostic atheists - claims there is proof for god's non-existence
Gnostic theists - claims there is proof for god's existence
I am an agnostic atheist still an atheist. 💁 There's no evidence so I don't believe until there's one that can be given. Disbelief can rest on absence of evidence. 💁
I clicked on this video straight after reading an article on the BBC website "Canada mourns as remains of 215 children found at indigenous school" and then reading up about this dark history in Canada, many of it at the hands of cruel Catholic nuns, only to see a smug Catholic monk preach about how we need religion for morality.
It is pretty rich to hear this from a Catholic in particular. A religion that has a well-known history of atrocities, even up to the modern day.
@@Rawnblade13 there’s atrocities they’ve committed but think of the things they’ve omitted. Imagine what they could do to eradicate poverty and hunger in the world with all the land and wealth the Catholic Church has. Honestly the main way they could help end the cycle of poverty would be not being anti birth control.
Why there is no God saved this innocent children? Ooohhhh they are not white..... But the god they believe was from middle east/western Asia, so the god they believe is not white....... Oh man... This is confusing....
The Greek nun comes to mind
Sounds like leftist propaganda. Just another excuse by those who dominate the media to stir up anger against whites and Christians.
Theist attempts to avoid being arrogant but preaching is a very hard habit to break.
Indeed he's arrogant here.
he is definitely trying to be considerate , thats a lot more than i have to say compared to other theists
... This is him avoiding?
@@richardnedbalek1968 And it's even funnier when you realize the name of his channel is "Breaking In The Habit".
that's the most smug priest I have ever seen lol
"You don't need to eat a whole egg to know it's rotten. " -- George Bernard Shaw
Valid point in this case :)
Exactly, especially when an entire lifetime is not enough to eat the whole egg, I mean no matter how much one reads, there are always more things someone else can provide to dismiss the first as "not have read enough"
i love that
actually I don't need to eat it at all to know lol
He demands more of atheists than he does of christians.
Yeah. I noticed that too.
If you're a believer you can be dumb as a lampshade and ignorant as a Billy goat and he's okay with that.
But not if you're an atheist.
If you don't believe in god, in order to do that you must read all the philosophical crap he lists, or he will disapprove.
Innate Abrahamist supremacism in one of the most passive-aggressive forms.
@@suleymanbabak1973 Absolutely false. His job is to make the same demand on Christians in his parish everyday. He made this particular message for atheists. You can also watch his other videos.
@@Lerian_V Could You provide a link to the video you are mentioning?
@@pleaseenteraname4878 Rationality Rules posted the link.
His "humble" message. What a fatuous, condescending "letter."
Eh, seems more like a genuine attempt to reach out. I think we’re in the habit of reading condescension into everything a religious person says even when they’re not being condescending. Kinda like when religious people read condescension or belligerence into an atheist stating even the most harmless facts about the universe
No, it *was* condescending. The moral and intellectual superiority was all but dripping from his tongue. The letter is loaded with blithe assumptions about what obligations atheists uniquely have before, presumably, we can "earn" the right to be atheists, to mention the fact to anyone, or to criticize religion. It implies a lot of ignorance on atheists' parts while expressing ignorance about atheists.
That guy in the Priest costume has no clue what it’s like to struggle with life’s toughest questions.
As an atheist, every day I wake up, look in the mirror and ask myself, “If God didn’t make me then why am I so ridiculously good looking?”
I think the very same thing everytime I look at a spoon
😂😂😂
And humble right? Lord it's hard to be humble.
Skepticus Maximus Humble? Is that a Latin term? I’ve never heard of it before.
@@MentalHealthMMA It means to get away with very polite bragging. 😉
I’m really good at not collecting stamps!
Right thy ways, heathen!
Yea right! You should pretend to see my nonexistent collection...Way better than yours!
Just as a reminder, it ok if at some point you find a stamp that you like and you feel like collecting it. But just don't collect it.
Me too. An absolute expert. Not a SINGLE stamp.
Hey, at least I've seen stamps before. This abstractive concept that people (Catholic Christians, in this case) call God is so vaguely & even illogically defined that I don't even know where to look for one...
The priest's approach reminds me of something called "forced teaming", which is a tactic used by criminals to get their victims to lower their guards. The illusion of commonality elicits a trust, soon to be betrayed.
There's just something about the tone of voice the priest is using that makes me feel like he's picturing himself trying to talk to a toddler who just finished having a tantrum.
Its called politeness.
I think he is just trying to be overly nice so any discussion he has doesn't get too heated. I tend to do this myself when talking with anyone about controversial topics as it tends to keep everyone calm, friendly, and understanding. Mostly just helps to avoid people shouting over each other and allows for civil conversation.
I can understand why this might come across as condescending though, so there is definitely a line.
I could imagine him talking like that to St Peter, when he is trying to talk his way into his theme park in the sky.
bro don't put a priest and a toddler in my head
“I want you to ask questions that we haven’t even thought to answer...”
How about answering one of our questions without dipping a massive laddle into the swimming pool of fallacies
"Ask us new and better questions!" "If you can't answer what we've given you then why do we need to contort ourselves further?"
@Frances Snowflake straw man fallacy, false equivocation fallacy, the god of the gaps fallacy to name but a few.
@Frances Snowflake no I'm not saying this particular priest used this fallacy of straw manning but you know that many apologists are guilty of this.
Though in the case of this video, it is arguable what he means by "a good atheist ". It's almost like he's treating atheism as though it was another religion. Which would be hilariously absurd. But yeah, I'm not saying he used the straw man fallacy.
@@proculusjulius7035 That's exactly what he's doing. He claims to be humble but he is truly only hiding smug arrogance behind a polite demeanor. This is evident to non-believers in the way he so confidently *mischaracterizes* what atheists are and what is supposedly required to be a "good" one. His video was patronizing to studied atheists (like RR, Matt Dilahunty, Paulogia, Holy Kool-aid, Cosmic Skeptic, etc, etc) and empty bullshit to the rest. It is probably more effective at making people who already believe feel smug in their LARGELY *unstudied*, *gullible* belief, than any kind of challenge to folks who already understand, through reason and study, how much his religion is utter nonsense.
@@hulldragon thought the same too, he's just a dishonest....
"Are you a good atheist?" "Are you a good non stamp collector?"
I appreciate good quotes from the videos I watch.
😂😂😂
@@Yourhighnessnona I so had to laugh with it as well
I am exceptionally good both at not collecting stamps and at not being convinced of arguments for god.
Is that what he wanted to hear?
Hmm. Couldn't "are you a good atheist" be a legitimate question, depending on the context? If the question were framed as "are you intellectually consistent in applying the standards and principles because of which you don't find arguments for gods existing convincing to any other subject they may be relevant to?" I think it might work. For instance, I find atheists who believe in astrology frustrating. The second question is just nonsense.
Says, be articulate, yet uses the words "real", "true", "good", and "bad" without reference.
Says, be humble, yet places himself on the pedestal of surrogate parent and moral approvee.
Says, open your mind, yet treats atheists as an homogenous entity.
Says, use logic and reasoning, yet violates elementary fallacies.
Well, I guess it did offer one religious experience - I'm beginning to prophesise a long road ahead...
Legendary comment
"It depends on what you mean by good"
He referenced a superstructure.
you seem to confuse being articulate w/being verbose
also 'fallacies' are nothing to do w/ logic, merely rhetoric
here's some actual logic: if someone talks about good vs. bad atheists, even if it's condescending or there's a million other reasons you don't like it, they by definition are not 'treating atheists as an homogenous entity'
LMAO!!
I better not ask “and are you a good priest?”, because neither of us knows what a morally decent answer would actually look like these days.
How condescending is that bloke? Don't know how you stay so calm replying to that.
That's exactly what I thought. They priest was so condecending while pretending to be nice.
thats the idea of religion? ... anyone not in your club is considered "basic". then with power comes tyrany.
Exactly. What a condescending dishonest indoctrinated drone.
‘......a god you don’t believe in.....’ gets me going from the get-go as it asserts the existence of a god/gods, an assertion that is both unfalsifiable and unprovable. This is always the arrogant starting point for religious folks; declare something a fact and then leave you to prove them wrong!
And he ends with "that's my humble message to you". Talking softly does not make you humble. If you have to state you're humble, then you really aren't humble either.
I remember that a priest once asked me “who are you to try to understand God’s creation?” And I replied “if I am truly his creation then exactly that- in trying to understand his creation then I am acquiring knowledge of myself”. His reply? “Young man you’re too young to understand anything or have valid opinions at your age” smh. Gotta love not being taken seriously for having thought about the deep questions as seriously as any theist just because of my age 🤦🏻♂️
That and the thread above about RC abuse of kids. Took me decades to really come to grips with it, to finally pin my aversion to (if not outright hatred of) religion to the abuse physical, psychological and metaphysical that I suffered from the "good nuns" and "reverend" clergy. No further proof do I need for the non-existence of a just and loving god than that. That and the smug "you have not been schooled in the mysteries" bullshit answers to my questions, followed immediately by the back of a hand or the beads of a rosary. Yeah. That too. Even Stalin had better bullshit.
Perfect response, you got him, he had to go ad hominem.
I would have loved for you to then say “If I am too young to understand anything at my age, why are you trying to teach me or argue with me?”
In my opinion, one of the very best performances by the presenter of this channel. A tour de force, bringing together a lot of essentials in one video.
Oh, man, that priest just got on my very last nerve. I was raised Catholic and he mentioned "justice" I almost blew a gasket. I left a fairly long response which I don't expect to be read, but wow. Talk about arrogant and condescending. As a woman, I had a bellyful of that attitude and recognized it for what it was by the time I was eight.
Love your videos. Keep up the good work!
Not only am I a good non-stamp collector, I’m a great non-stamp collector.
Have you extensively read the great books on stamp collecting and came up with ways to refute the collection of stamps, not just logical fallacies? If not, then you're not a "good non-stamp collector".
Good day sir!
Me too. Not only do I throw out old envelopes, but I also throw out old unused stamps to avoid clutter.
Similarly, I throw out beliefs that lack evidence, to avoid epistemic clutter.
@@uninspired3583 uhh nice one. I would like to say something too, but i'm not that good xD
@@cobalius practice, you'll get there
Great? I've collected exactly 0 stamps in my entire life. I'd say I'm a perfect non-stamp collector. And by that, I believe in exactly 0 gods, so I'm not just a good atheist, but a perfect one! Check mate, atheists... or whatever.
I saw this video. All it did was strengthen my stance as an Atheist
Amen wait nevermind ramen 🙏
Good don't fall for their tricks, they are broke in mind
Saw it too. Screw him. In fact he comes across as a total weirdo.
Being exhorted by a catholic priest to be good is the same as being exhorted to be good by a person willing to cover up the most heinous crimes you can imagine against children in my mind. It really annoys me that this man assumes he has some kind of moral high ground.
@@markedmunds1966 dont forget jehovah's witnesses too
I love your pants! They're so fitting for this.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
I appreciate you performing the Riker maneuver to get into your chair.
Claiming I am an atheist is like claiming I have no interest in being part of your Harry Potter reading club, and that is good enough.
Exactly this
I don't think they can understand that for the most part we are not going through life every day reminding ourselves that we don't believe in gods.
Honestly, my best personal argument in this realm is to ask them to choose to believe in Santa Clause. Unless they are literally insane, that's impossible to do, and can be used to illustrate how atheists feel toward the god of Christianity.
WHAT? Are you some sort of Severus Snape worshipping anti-Potterist? Evil. Pure evil. 😡
But are you good at not being a part of a Harry Potter reading club?
But how do you know you won't enjoy the club if you don't take it upon yourself to read every book and the extended novels and tweets of harry potter intellectuals? We NEED you to have a well-informed distaste for Harry Potter.
It sounds like he thinks the only 2 options are to either get a degree in theology or to go I don't know durr
@@revan552
I never implied it had any value, I was merely commenting on the requirements for one and this guy's attitude towards atheists.
@@revan552 It certainly holds value, similar to those of philosophy.
There are many great theologians, both theists and atheists.
@@revan552 I agree with you that all works of fiction can theoretically hold equal potential.
This doesn't mean that studying theology at an academic level is wasted.
You may think that these theological books are just works of fiction and I agree.
However their influence is enormous and people studying them academically is very important.
It seems to me that you think people studying theology are interested in propagating theological ideas, this is not true. Many who study religion do it to more effectively counter it or simply to learn from it. Even if what they teach us is fiction, understanding it in depth helps us understand why some humans behave or behaved in certain ways. This makes it important to anthropological, historical and cultural studies. Therefor it should never be dismissed as a waste of time.
You can study theology as a secular atheist for the benefit of society.
@@revan552 Yeah it seems I missed the 'confused with reality' bit, my bad.
I'd still argue that mythology and theology has to stay in two distinct fields. Theology deals with religion and gods. Mythology deals with myths and legends, these are not always supernatural in nature nor are they always related to religions. Theology remains completely religious.
Also calling religious people fools doesn't help with anything, it serves only to further divide us and make us unwilling to listen to each other, really it's just beneath any serious conversation.
I was already raised in a cult. I don't need a theology degree to know they're all B.S.
An excellent response to this priest's open letter. I hope he actually sees this response and that it makes him think a bit more in the future.
Here the difference between a good and a bad atheist :
A good atheist doesn't need gods to live his life, and it's a good atheist,
A bad atheist doesn't need gods to live his life, and it's a bad atheist...
And why this man, who is a priest, wears a monk's costume ? Is that more efficient for his arguments ?
Religion is the POISIN
He's a friar.
I know we're supposed to be logical and rational but I can't shake the feeling that his smugness is the byproduct of him constantly thinking "oh I'm so special, no one got this right except me, and I'm so humble!"
I see this a lot. People trying to show everyone how humble and selfless they are when really that's just their way of feeding their massive ego.
he's so smug that I think he's just some tik tok instagram whatever influencer and not a real priest
@@enterthevoidIi it can be both. evidently.
Well I never get envious, resentful or angry, not even towards myself, therefore i'm superior.
@@cobalius what
My answer to an open letter:
Yes. I try to be so.
No, I will not study your religious hobby.
I can't wrap my head around, why should we read all their "big" literature. I get it, he really likes these books but there are so many religions in the world, I don't have time for that ...
To me its the opposite ... religion made me atheist i was very religious as a kid .... then i grew up
Why wouldn't you want to read all the diatribes on the proper way of arranging stamps?
@@silversurfer6360
Opposite here. Super into rationality as a kid. Going deeper into understanding led me to religion.
@@cf6713 Careful, being open about being religious on a primarily atheist channel is a great way to be instantly bombarded with trolls.
I was mostly just told to research what I like and if I believed in anything I'd be supported. Still atheist, but I appreciated the love and care my parents always gave me
The discussion of being a "good" or a "bad" atheist with a man of faith is pointless if he believes you're going to hell either way
Always enjoy listening to your thoughtful reflections.
I identify with non-stamp collecting, but for brevity’s sake I just classify as an Aphilatelist.
One of the brightest mind in Aphilateldom, right here, y'all.
(My phone is learning some new, made up words tonight.)
I know one of those. He swears he is an aphartilist. He blames his dog for his life-threatening and malodorous posterior blasts. Fire authorities have recommended he wear a sign to warn smokers nearby not to light up a cigarette in confined spaces.
@Frances Snowflake go away and have a little meltdown somewhere else buddy, because you only bring silliness to the conversation
@Frances Snowflake Lack of any evidence.
In stark contrast to the lucid eloquence of this video; Rekt. Another great video, man. I appreciate your work.
Gg ez
Glad to see you here 😄 hope you have a nice day Jake
fucken gottem
I was like: I don't like when the title is "got destroyed" "anihilated" "devastated" "demolished" "wrecked" etc. as Im not at all for thinking an intelectual debate as some sort of fist fight or war... but to be honest, the pastor really got spanked in this one :D
Rekt, indeed. Sloppy arguement wrapped in a pleasant presentation.
"Why, hello my fellow apes." The most life-affirming salutation, ever.
Talking of Dawkins I read his book once in 2011 and some of his arguments were so powerful they stayed with me. One is the scale of theism to atheism and how he is a 9/10 because he is almost absolutely certain that there in no god.
My favorite is the one where he says Christians disregard science and evidence when it contradicts them but would raise its importance to the skies if there was scientific evidence for god. I'm paraphrasing of course
Dawkins saying to mock Christians was in poor taste. Christians dont mock atheists, we pray for them.
@@beardan76When and where did Dawkins say to mock christians?
@@rodomolina7995 it was on a youtube video
@@beardan76 Sure...
What book is that plz?
You know, the friar robes are supposed to be a signifier of humble simplicity. Seeing this guy straighten and dust it off like an Armani suit is just plain bizarre.
It was a joke.
He comes across as a used car salesman to me... I'm not sure why..
@@Chris-fo2fi He is dishonest. None of the things he professes to want in the video are his true goals.
@@Chris-fo2fi
Weirdly enough, I know a few used car salesmen. Most crumple their cloths to seem more "everyman". This guy is something else. Like he's trying to make an order of celibate monks look "big pimpin".
Honestly had he just sat down with a wrinkled robe and gave a rye smile he'd have been better at giving off the impression he was going for.
@@Rabbithole8
Looks like he should have let the plumber fix the sink, if that's the case.
Darth Vader voice: "The condescension is strong in this one."
Because the lack of faith is disturbing the aspirations of father and son he is choking on since he is not as forgiving and hasn't seen its power although he was tought well it's fully operational. Noo?
Yeah, he's annoying.😁
Let me tell you that he is fake and insincere . He is full of his own self importance that’s born out of the adoration he receives from his parishioners . He isn’t delusional ( in strict clinical terms ) but it’s what happens when large groups gather in a church or club on a regular basis and reaffirms confirmation bias. It’s perfectly reasonable to believe in God , ( there will never be evidence to the contrary ), but religion does peddle harmful doctrines that mean some people will be severely damaged by the groups cult like activity. Often innocent suffer ( churching of girls in Ireland , homosexuals and anyone who appears to challenge the authority of the priesthood ) . The favoured weapon of choice by religious cults is Shame !
maybe you need to stop needing to be condescended to.
Darth Vader voice? More like Yoda.
" So that is my humble message to you".
Humble?? That was so condescending I almost barfed!
Maybe because you have inferiority complex.
@Aung Thaza Win Kyaw So help me God!
I like how heartfelt he was and how he tried to reach out. What I didn't like was how nonsensical his whole speech was. He's evidently never honestly engaged with ideas outside of his church, that much is obvious. Great response
That priests claim to humility; I nearly choked. What a pompous twerp!
Quite rude, don't you think?
He's a pretty good guy.
@@Kolossus_ he’s a tool
Having spent a huge amount of my life surrounded by his ilk, I have seen plenty of his type of self-righteous arrogant condescension. The vast majority of it is unwarranted. The fact that he smiles and speaks calmly while assuming the worst about you does not make him a nice fellow. Merely a duplicitous one.
@@paulfrederiksen5639 Also, he gives off the stench of a friar rotting in a field of Barley.
@@Kolossus_ i dont think he is.
The "have you read Nietzsche, have you read so and so" part kinda shows he is an academic braggart. One of those people that think because you haven't read the "classics" or whatever then you daft or shallow
The arrogance of his closing arguments at the end are pretty vile.
The amount of self entitlement and feelings of grandeur he portraits is even impressive in some ways.
He definitely thinks he is the main character even if he pretends he doesn't
For some reason it comes along with religiousity and becomes more apparent the more the religious feeling grows. Maybe that's what happens when you think you have a direct line to the creator of the universe but the lead character in the fairy tale is a humble-bragger.
I dunno, i didn't hate it. While he comes off as arrogant, i don't really disagree with his idea of that people should ask questions land think about life more than a lot of people do.
@@ClarksonNo1 yea true but he portrays it as if Christianity was the default philosophical position and if you cant 100% justify why you dont believe in their exact version of god, you're a "bad atheist" (whatever that's supposed to mean)
@@nineteenninetyfive That is the pseudo-humility of religion. When you're rigorously taught that faith is as good as knowledge, the development of an overbearing sense of self-importance is inevitable.
As your beliefs become increasingly impervious to any criticism and you essentially grow into them.
@@mephistophelesthesilentchi3446 You realize us Catholics believe in Science right? Again we are the crazies in the Boonies saying we're all descended from Noah, and that two emperor penguins walked all the way from Antarctica to Arabia, got off the ark at mt.Ararat and went back to Antarctica. Catholics just believe that science is the slow process of God deeming us worthy to share in the full glory and intricacy of his creation. Also evolution is 100% real.
Sometimes i just watch your older videos to reassure myself that there is some sanity left in the world.
Brilliant, as usual. Thanks for all your efforts to bring logic and clarity to people’s minds.
His whole argument touches on the "approach" of the atheist, yet he's being condescending and patronizing. He speaks of "regurgitating logical fallacies" whilst dropping a huge "no true Scotsman" and strawmanning every single argument. He talks about simplicity but doesn't accept it, when applied by his opposition. It's a very lengthy non-argument.
The small comfort is that he is being nice while presenting it
If an atheist believed in God, you would say he is not a true atheist. Therefore, if a Christian doesn't believe the teachings of Jesus...
@@lukeeatschips6324 you mean fake , right ?
@@abhijithns6477 I don’t think this particular friar is being fake
“Fantastic fallacies and where to find them.” 🤣
Brilliant. I had a daydream about having that printed large and loud, on a sheet of stickers. And then putting a sticker on the front cover of every Bible I could find. Lol 😆🤣
@@budd2nd oooh Merch ideas 👏😘
@@DavidWorley
Oh YES
I want that T-shirt!!
I’m going to suggest it to Stephen under this video.
I am stealing this. Sorry
I am also stealing this idea
Hitting like for opening the video with the Riker maneuver. Bold, assertive.
Thanks so much for your amazing work. This, as many other of your videos, was amazing 😊
I think it is funny how a Christian is begging an Atheist to think, and use logic and reasoning.
Oh, do you think it is impossible to be logical and reasonable but also Christian?
@@wordforever117 No one is perfectly logical and perfectly reasonable all the time and I every thing because we don’t know everything, but Christianity emphasizes faith way above reason.
@@vincemcmahonreadskoran3120 Can you give an example of that from the official doctrine of the church?
@@vincemcmahonreadskoran3120 "Faith and reason are like two wings on which the human spirit rises to the contemplation of truth; and God has placed in the human heart a desire to know the truth- in a word, to know himself- so that, by knowing and loving God, men and women may also come to the fullness of truth about themselves." - *Pope John Paul II (Karol Wojtyła), Fides et Ratio: On the Relationship Between Faith and Reason*
@@wordforever117 The main bible verse people cite, John 3:16. And the last part " that he who believes shall not perish but have eternal life".
In terms of faith over reason I guess that's mainly Martin Luther. His doctrine of Sola scriptura ("scripture alone") also meant using the more clear parts of the text to explain the less clear or more poetical parts.
This priest is a textbook example of the Dunning-Kruger effect in action. He fancies himself a deep thinker, but his questions are almost laughable. And his claim to really want us to be "good atheists" is clearly just rhetoric; he drops numerous clues as to his real opinion of all atheists.
Dunning-Kruger effect, in psychology, a cognitive bias whereby people with limited knowledge or competence in a given intellectual or social domain greatly overestimate their own knowledge or competence in that domain relative to objective criteria or to the performance of their peers or of people in general. According to the researchers for whom it is named, psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the effect is explained by the fact that the metacognitive ability to recognize deficiencies in one’s own knowledge or competence requires that one possess at least a minimum level of the same kind of knowledge or competence, which those who exhibit the effect have not attained. Because they are unaware of their deficiencies, such people generally assume that they are not deficient, in keeping with the tendency of most people to “choose what they think is the most reasonable and optimal option.”
Had been waiting for a response video! Thank you!
Just want to say LOVE YOUR WORK!!!
I've asked this priest questions on his channel in the past, and he ignored them and possibly even blocked me.
Like most theists, he is neither honest nor sincere. Pity.
Very well said. You've brought up things I never thought of. That father boy feigns humility, but is condescending. What a dishonest and indoctrinated drone.
@@revan552 they have little choice
You are so, so right. He disgusts me. He should even be disgusting to honest clerics.
Absolutely excellent! Thanks for your response to this!
Dude, your content is getting polished af. Congrats!
I like that Casey thinks I owe him a damned thing.
It took me 9 months to read the King James bible from cover to cover and every word...I made notes and tagged pages...I did my bit for those theists who ever asked have you read it...I was and still remain an atheist...
2 samuel is my favorite
Reading it turned me from an Atheist to an Anti theist
I was at Sunday school, the minister was telling his stories and I was thinking WTF (paraphrasing my ten-year-old thoughts), read the bible I had been given, repeated when I was 17 and being a born again Christian became a thing, and again in my 30's for the hell of it (get it..), and with each read became more convinced anyone who took it seriously had a psychiatric problem. It is clearly the stories of folk who had no idea about anything and were just making shit up. Like you, I think I read it more thoroughly than most of my Born again Christian friends. I suspect this is very common.
Does that mean you have to read all the other nonsense books now?
Well, that's kind of you, but you have fallen to the first fallacy (not having read the xxx book). I would not read the Bible or anything alike : Believers always have the next fallacy ready to assault you. In this case, that would be: "OK, you did read the Bible, but you did not understand it the right way, Bro" : "You don't need to eat a whole egg to know it's rotten. "
The priest's video is the most condescending thing I've seen in a long time
EXCELLENT! Thank you for posting this. You have stately clearly much of what lies behind my rejection of religious dogma. I wish I could be so clear and calm in my response to my frequent collisions with true believers.
I don't trust anyone who thinks of themselves as a "Good Shepherd", and of me as their "sheep". I know how that relationship ends...
I used to keep sheep. I think I was a good shepherd. It always ended in the spit roast though...
Always found the whole 'Shepherd ' 'lamb of god" and 'flock' thing a bit creepy. A shepherd makes sure sheep don't escape and prevents anything else from having a turn to maximize profit for the self. Sheep are milked, shorn and slaughtered for food. They are kept and led to this fate by the shepherd. Like I said, creepy.
You don't like being butchered?
You end up naked and shivering?
Creepy indeed. It occurs to me, the difference between goats and sheep, goats are lead from place to place, sheep, however, have to be driven!
The start of this video deserves an award
Absolutely enjoy your eloquence and elegance. I don't agree nor disagree with your thoughtful contributions but I do definitely find your presentation greatly agreeable!
I love your videos. You encapsulate brilliantly and succinctly much of what I tend to think. I especially related to the part where you were talking about the great questions atheists ponder (like why billions of years elapsed till us). Great work!
What the priest is wanting is to keep you into the questioning phase, rather than writing off the absurd as being what it clearly is.
I don’t think Augustine, Boethius, Anselm, Aquinas, Descartes, Berkeley, Hume, Lewis, Plantinga would all believe something so absurd. You can not believe it, but you can’t just say it’s absurd without any reasons
@@bigfoot3763 I mean it doesn't really matter if some smart people believe in something. That doesn't make it not absurd. Newton believed in the miasma theory so did Galileo, Copernicus, Pascal and Faraday. That doesn't make miasma theory not absurd. As we can now a days tell that miasma theory is absurd so can we tell that theism is absurd.
@@bigfoot3763 Yeah actually I can and just watch me do it, I don't have to deeply be introspective and questioning about my non-belief in big-foot, the loch ness monster, Prometheus, Allah, Vishnu, The Tooth Fairy... ETC. Your pleading to these authorities that I don't recognize as such, I recognize no one as a credible expert on voodoo mythology or any other non-evident assertions make-believe... I don't ask children or question if their imaginary friends exist in reality. So yes I do and I can it is really easy, so yes until there is some physical incontrovertible evidence, which does not exist has never one time been demonstrated in centuries for obvious reasons. So yes I can and it is an absurd laughable thing to even waste any time on whatsoever, wasting brainpower on this non-sense is disgraceful to mankind.
@@bigfoot3763 the reasoned evidentiary arguments are manifold..it IS absurd..lol
@@dougcasey6117 What would constitute physical evidence for the existence of God? Just wondering...
I cannot even begin to express how thankful I am for what you do and how glad I am to have found you. Praise to the algorithm!
I am a theist of the sort Fr. Cole is. However, I profoundly appreciate this response to his video. I just subscribed to your channel. I want to learn more.
A diagnosis of Multiple Sclerosis really brought home the fact that theodicy is ultimately little more than ontologized narcissism and ontologizing condescension in the wake of human suffering and the absurdity of evil. Dr. Bart Ehrman's book on the subject really resonated with me. It's not necessarily a dereliction of my faith but the search for better questions that now engages me.
Thank you for your erudite and polite contribution to a discussion that is often fraught with emotion and inconsistency.
This vid is a thorough analysis and detailed refutation of the vid. Thank you for your hard work.
This priest just sounds so condescending. He'd be better at selling used cars.
Yes, and he should wear the potato bag while selling cars.
Just like a dodgy used car salesman who tries to convince their customers that a car has less miles on the clock than the worn driver’s seat, pedals and mechanicals suggest, this guy will try to sell the earth as only having 6,000 years on the clock.
He should sell invisible cars from the middle of the desert (an invisible yard) and claim you can drive them to a place where you will live forever in bliss... unless of course, you don't buy one in which case you're going to the wreckers in a bus to be crushed and melted down for eternity. The metal will be recycled but you will suffer for eternity. But my boss (the car lot / wrecking yard owner) loves you soooooo much.
having watch a couple of his video he always speak like that when filming from a scripts.
He reminds me of a middle school teacher who starts the school year by putting on a persona that he imagines the kids will think is cool. When it doesn't work, how will he behave?
His letter can be boiled down to: "Yeah, um, if you're not going to fit entirely under my umbrella, could you just live your life exactly as I see fit and think a specific way that works best for me? That would really help me out a lot. K thanks."
Maybe i could but i choose not to do that 😂
Loooooool
isn't that what atheists say all the time. you inject your morals and views on the world all the time. at least with us, it's literally our instruction to evangelize (not by force).
@@crobeastness hmm maybe, but atheist inject their moral as a refute to the theist that injected their morality to world as the "truth"
@@mantabsekali920 nothing has been refuted though. if so there would be no longer any rational theistic believers. so its a circular injection.
This was really really nice. A very wholesome viewing experience.
This is an amazing video! Thank you so much!
This is the best response to this video I've seen yet, I've been to his video and seen the comments, even left one myself, he's not responded to anyone whatsoever, not even Aron Ra - yep, he got right in there early 🤣
Imo, he's just after views, I guess he isn't making enough money from his scam job...
He later did attack Aron Ra on twitter, claiming ironically, that Ra was strawmanning him.
That priest is really showing off the virtues of humility there. He's a testament to his frock.
It always struck me as oxymoronic the fact that christians brag about being humble
Look at me! I’m so humble!
Mason G. > That priest is really showing off the virtues of humility there. He's a testament to his frock.
Do I detect a hint of sarcasm in your post?
/end sarcasm/ 😉
so glad you did this video
Such a condescending, humble man of the cloth. What has always ground my gears from the theists is how they don’t want to accept “because I don’t believe god or gods exist” as enough justification for being an atheist. “Were you just being lazy about going to church?” Obviously, yes. I have better things to do on Sunday than go to church. Also, I don’t believe in yours or anyone else’s god(s). My reasons for being an atheist don’t have to pass this guy’s smell test. They only have to satisfy me.
Love watching this channel.
I find it funny that he brought up the part about how if you don't believe in an afterlife then you would feel apathy because why does it matter, I only ever felt that way when I was christian. Why would I care about this world if I know I have eternity waiting for me in a few years? Now I'm like I want this world to be good for myself and everyone else because this is what we have.
Good logic
edit: yeah it was a bit like that. the point: atheists claim they are very rational people, they only believe in facts and reason. however they dont have a better base for morality than what christians have. they accept their subjective experience of being and their personal identity as truth. they accept moral relativism and that other people have different ideas of what is good/bad, still they cling to what they think about the world and this determine their behavior. but it is a contradiction. you cannot say that "I want this world to be good for myself and everyone else" and that John Wayne Gacy's (the childkiller clown's) concept of good/bad is no different. u have to believe that your idea of good/bad is the real one. even if it is subjective, because otherwise the concept of good/bad becomes meaningless. but how can u decide whose subjective idea about morality is the correct one? there were attempts by people like Sam Harris to make objective ethics, which failed spectacularly. this is why i wrote that u cannot know, only make a belief that u are correct. so what i want to say, u can be an atheist but u will have to face with that there will be things which u have to believe and so there is not a big of a difference between yourselves and those theists u ridicule.
@@LeventeCzelnai you should really rework this entire thing because as it stands it's just meaningless gibberish.
@@LeventeCzelnai yes we accept that we aren't perfect, but this acceptance make us try to improve ourself and accept failures, but if you rely on something supposedly perfect, there's no room for improvements. And you can clearly see the bible's morality isn't perfect
@@LeventeCzelnai Given that the religious claim to use divine dictate as their basis for morality, I don't see how they are even being moral at all. Rather, they are just doing as they are told. (maybe that is the only moral decision they make: that it is moral to do as their god says)
Wow. You calmly and systematically dismantled his open letter point by point and exposed it for the silly, thoughtless, condescending tripe that it is. Well done and thank you.
I sometimes wonder if religious people realize they're doing it. I'm reminded of the thinking atheists video, "religion made me talk like an idiot". I cringe a little bit thinking back to my religious days. I can imagine myself making a video like this kids, oblivious to my condescension and actually believing i was being humble.
Religion is one hell of a drug. As for the other commenter, I hope no one bites.
@@xunqianbaidu6917 No, those words do not describe Rationality Rules. Not even close. RR is intellectually honest and not condescending.
@@xunqianbaidu6917 Yes. That’s correct. He did successfully debunk Pascals Wager, and of course Dawkins is admired by a huge number of people in and out of the scientific and atheist community.
Just because RR is a gifted intellectual moreover brilliant, while his arguments are compelling, doesn’t make it him...right, or wrong. With so many layers of philosophical complexities, with pride, both sides seem to fall in to the “I am right you are wrong.”
@@xunqianbaidu6917 that's just what you say, truth is, like it or not, Dawkins is a great scientific and very admired in the Scientific Community, again, denial it or not.
This was brilliant! 😁🙏🏻
You guys who have a public discussion on this very topic. I’d love to see it.
It's humorous, that this priest suggests that we "ask questions". When the only answer God himself ever gives is "Who are you to question me?", then demands obedience.
That is very much a product of western theology, which is more harsh and focused on justice Theology. Look up the Eastern Orthodox Theology. The eastern Christianity is more focused on healing and grace.
@@umeahalla ... I suppose my initial question is... "Does the different denominations share the same Scriptures?" If so, then it doesn't matter. If God says the same statement in each.
@@reisekeller6859Good question, The definitely use different variants of scriptures, but there are off course overlap since the source manuscripts are from the same or closely related origin. Martin Luther for example cut out some books of the then bible, at the 1500's reformation because he didn't like them. Also if you look at protestant youtube it seems like every youtube channel have a different interpretation for a given passage in scripture.
What I appreciate in the Orthodox tradition is that the interpretation is closer to uniform for many dogmas, and it has been in that similar way for 1000's of years since it is a very old church.
Everyone should ask questions, even those that challenge ones worldviews.
You were more than generous with this priest. I found him to be superlatively condescending.
didn't think of watching this for one second, but I'll watch your response!
ANOTHER GREAT JOB SIR..
KEEP IT UP.
“Saying you’re a Christian and never reading the Bible isnt enough”
To quote Andrew Seidel from the founding myth: the path to atheism is littered with read Bibles.
Personally I've read four versions of "The Bible." I stopped after that though, so I probably haven't read "The Bible" this particular fellow adheres to.
The bible is practically unreadable without a massive guide and the wisdom of the church fathers
In my case, reading the mentioned Augustine of Hippo was a not insignificant part of making me reject catholic Christianity. Possibly the most influential thinker in all of Christianity is adamant that all but 144,000 would go on to be tortured forever after death and that this was somehow good and just, and explicitly justifies why unbaptized babies must go to hell.
@@jochannan7379 sounds reasonable ?
As many atheists have said, one of the quickest and surest ways to atheism, is reading the Bible cover to cover.
"Crème de la Crème of astrology" really made me gasp for air laughing
You must be a Capricorn
@@daveprinsloo8488 Or a Gemini
Great conversation
Great vid!!
'Hello my fellow apes!'
A heartfelt 'Ook!' to you too.
What are you, some kind of librarian?
Took a while for the light to reach my eyes after reading this comment XD
@@timbrubaker1787 Probably a sad-looking pear-shaped orange sack. Ook.
Thank you for what you're doing Steven.
Lots of love from a fellow ape, from Iran!
May I presume an atheist in Iran? If so, you have the courage of a true warrior. It is dangerous to be right when your government is wrong.
@@oodlesofnoodles4660 Not only my government, but also every member of my family and almost all my friends here don't share my ideas.
The regime of this country has executed and jailed people simply based on what you might call "thought-crime".
Doesn't matter if it's blasphemy , holding a different idea about Muhammad or defending women's right against mandatory law of wearing Hijab.
As an individual I can understand that my circumstances here are not so different than many of my friends in the world who are forced to live the same way, nonetheless I have to encourage myself to fight against this repulsive situation even in a minor scale.
And as a warrior (which you quaintly put it) I have to fight, and I can already feel the love I'll discover.♡
Stay strong, brother! ✊🏻
I'm a fan, don't stop doing what you're doing
Casey makes the best case of its kind. There was nothing else he could say. This video does a great job of totally demolishing him. It’s not even close, it’s hook, line, and sinker. I would love to think he’d respond, but I very much doubt it.
When someone calls themselves "humble" warning bells should be ringing in your mind.
I agree.
His video seems like he’s kidding, he sounds like he’s voice acting.
As an ex-Catholic, a lot of young priests, in my experience, have the same condescending tone of voice, especially when preaching to young people.
@@giulialana2815 I think priests of all ages have that, it just suits older priests better
This was well presented and Stephen was respectful and concise. Whatever the conclusion of the listener ( which I hope there isn’t) it was worth the time to listen to this. God bless Steve mate
Great vid buddy.
Yes. I am a good athiest. I've had over 10000 hours practise, and i do it 24/7. I don't even need to stretch before athiesting. I can do it in my sleep. Thank you for your interest, though, Friar Whatever.
In my opinion, one of the best videos you have ever made. Bravo!
It isn’t it
I’m not sure about the facial hair. But that is from a non-uncutter of facial hair
I've been struggling for years to be a good non-stamp collector but I'm ashamed to say that recently, in a moment of weakness and after spotting a striking and rare design on an envelope from South Africa, I just had to cut it out, put it between the pages of a book and stash it in my bedside cabinet...........
God damn, dude, you are THE MAN. It's been far too long since I watched one of your videos; I need to stop by more often.