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Muslim : Christianity is wrong
Christian : Islam is wrong
they are right
Right. Either only one of them is right or both are wrong. They cannot both be the same.
In fact, most people in the world reject every single religion.
Christianity has about 2 billion adherents, Islam almost as much, with Hinduism, Judaism, and others trailing.
So 6 billion people reject the most popular religion, which is by far MOST.
Religions are do dumb
Christianity destroys Islam . The Koran is so full of holes
I like this atheist
Apologists, to me, always sound like a bunch of ten year-olds bragging about how great their dad is.
I felt the same whatching this video
I dunno, 10 year olds usually aren't confused whether the parent or their children existed first. Maybe brain damaged ten year olds.
And when you criticize then, they threaten you with their big brother or insult you because they are always condescending brats.
Their dad? You mean imaginary friend?
@@steevinator Friend? Since they are forced to pray to this imaginary being that does nothing in return for them, that would make it their sadistic owner.
It's a complete Master-Pet/Servant relationship.
I love how religious people think that all of the religions in the world are man-made except the one religion they practice.
I don't have a religion but I do believe in creation and I believe that from all the religious practices and philosophy I have read about extensively i believe that there is a difference between a faith and a religion and i believe that example is found in the character of Jesus because every single religion requires you to achieve and reach a certain level of performance in order to obtain the acceptance of the particular religion..where in the beliefs in Jesus we are all sinners and we cannot make the cross over ourselves so let me put it this way religion is mans effort to reach God and Jesus is God's efforts to reach man..so he is the cross over and there is no performance or self righteous efforts we can do to achieve God's approval because only a sinless by pass can meet the requirements and according to the Bible only guarantee that can do it is Jesus and in order for us to get the by pass all we have to do is accept the offer and believe it
I love how religious people think that all of the religions in the world are Devil-made, except their religion. If Devil exists and can trick people, then you can't be sure Devil didn't trick you.
@Passivalkoholiker
They however do Not stand on an equal basis and that needs to be made clear.
One creates testable predictions to understand the world around us to the best extent possible, through a methodological framework. The other butchers epistemological thought to bolster their pseudo-philosophical framework of surface level Guesswork, where evidence is sidelined, critical thinking is abolished and doubts and questions are demonized.
@@jamiegrieve5875 ✊
I love how materialists watch a couple TH-cam videos and think they understand potentially unknown millennia of theology 😂 far more intelligent people than you or I dedicated their entire lives to contemplating the numerous but it's ok you watch a san harris clip on youtube so why dedicate any further timer trying to understand a phenomena which humans have dedicated multiple civilizations were of resources to recognising. It's not like that violates basic Darwinian principles or anything.
God in Islam: God is dissimilar to his creations.
Also God in Islam: *gets angry like a human*
Umm Gid in the Judeo- Christain religion gets just as angry you should read the Old Testament in the Bible and Torah.
@@alvinparkinson9168So Christian & Islamic God are false.
@@alvinparkinson9168 they are technically the same god and are equally false
@@MrWaterlionmonkey Not the same God
@@caucas989 they kind of are. They are both the God of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus. The laws they gave Moses and Muhammad are almost identical; no pork, no homosexuality, no adultery, no worshipping other gods, stonning and beheading as legal methods of execution, no blasphemy, no dressing as a woman if you are a man, animal slaughter is the same, no eating insects etc. They are both omni gods. They are both jealous gods. They both live in heaven. They both created the world. They both have angels. The both have an enemy called Satan/ Shaitan that was a creation of his. They both offer heaven to believers and hell to disbelievers. Their names are similar. Even though the god of the Bible is called YHWH, his name is too sacred to say, so the Jews often called him God, but they didn't speak English so the Hebrew for God is El, this is pluralised as Eloheim, and the plural is often used to refer to YHWH. The aramaic for Eloheim is Eloh. The Arabic for a god is ilah. The Arabic for The God is il ilah. Which turned into Allah. They both will send Jesus to conquor the world on judgment day. They both made Jesus the messiah. They both refer to prophies from the old testament; Muhammad is seen as the promised comforter that Jesus will send, Jesus is seen as the promised Messiah of the old testament, a claim Islam holds. They both inspired the writing of the bible, though in Islam the belief is the Bible became corrupted, that is why you need the Quran. The differences are really very minor at the end of the day. For example Allah did not rest on the seventh day. Allah has no son. Jesus was no peace loving hippie in Islam. Some of the stories in the Quran are different from the stories in the bible, for example Allah picked up Sodom and Gomorrah turned them upside down rather than burned it with fire and sulphur in the bible. Or the plauges of Egypt that were sent are different in the Quran and bible. Or that Jesus wasn't really crucified. According to the predominant interpretations of the Quran Allah made Judas look like Jesus and they killed him instead. And in Islam it is impossible for prophets to sin, while in the bible prophets often sin and are punished by God, all except Jesus sinned. Also Islam rejects the Trinity.
the claim that god and his creation must be completely dissimilar thus resulting in god not existing is so freaking hilarious 😂
But he does exist... just in a completely dissimilar way!
Apologetics is easy, if you can simply make up any old stuff you want. ;)
@@Groffili you see God does not exist in the way we usually think of the word, he is transcendent meaning that he is in no way similar to his creation. this is basically divine existence while we only have mortal, physical existence
wow, you're right, that is easy
@@orbracha25
I know I am right, thank you. And I am just as grateful for you demonstrating it... even expanding on it.
It is easy... IF YOU CAN SIMPLY MAKE UP ANY OLD STUFF YOU WANT.
And it is even easier if you just can repeat some old stuff someone else made up.
Because, see, there is a tiny little internal inconsistency in this apologetic argument... and I don't even mean the "we exist - God is not similar to us in that way either - God does not exist".
I would have no objections to "God being transcendent, meaning in no way similar to his creation". It is in fact a very good term to describe my own idea of... let's stay with "God", even if I wouldn't use that term for its connotations.
But that leaves us - or rather: you and the apologists here - with a little conundrum. You cannot make any statement about "God" anymore. Any possible statement you would make would necessarily refer to something "similar to the creation"... because that is all we know, all we have.
But that doesn't keep apologists from doing it. They make statement about God all the time. They make statements about God that describes "him" as VERY similar to his creation. Ranging from all the attributes he is given in Islam to the "we are created in his image" from the Jewish and Christian Bible.
You want to have your cake and eat it too, and if that means inventing a transcendent cake... you'll go for it.
God exists outside time, space, and the universe… just like things that don’t exist.
@@Groffili No muslim thinks that God is totally dissimilar to humans. In fact, God has at least 99 attributes/names in Islam; many of which are attributes humans share such as mercy. However, comparing us to god is like comparing an atom to the entire universe. Sure they have some things in common, but God is so much more.
Kind of a silly thing to get hung up on.
Got to love the hypocrisy of these people. They say their god is eternal and needs no cause but instantly reject the notion that the universe could have these properties sinces the universe has to have a cause...such bs. Just admit like the scientist does "We do not know" instead of claiming "this is the answer because my book says so".
It's kinda important to note the REASON why theist philosophers claim the universe must have a beginning but God doesn't.
The universe is a series of chain reactions - one causes the other. Therefore the universe had to have a cause. Everything in the universe is a result of a cause so so does the universe itself.
However, the cause of the universe doesn't need a cause. There must be a "thing" that doesn't need a cause and is eternal and from it - the universe came. You can call it "God" or you can call it "a potato". it can have a mind or a conscious, or it doesn't. Doesn't matter. point is - theists say that there IS a THING that doesn't need a cause and is eternal and it sprung the universe.
The argument that this "thing" has a will and a personality and he actually meant for this universe to be - those are completely different arguments. If those arguments are valid or not usually comes down to if you accept evolution (which is in other words a demonstration that complexity is completely natural and doesn't need a god).
@@adarwinterdror7245 My position is that we're asking "what started it all?" Anything that has ever existed is part of "it all". Thus any god is part of "it all". Saying "God did it" doesn't answer the question, because the question itself is meaningless. Anything you propose as a cause is, necessarily, part of "it all", and can't explain it. God can't fill a hole that doesn't exist, any more than a potato can. There is no "why" to existence. Existence simply *is.*
@@jursamaj I basically agree with you.
But I'm trying to look at it through a theists POV, which will say that whatever started it all, the primary cause, was here before the universe (I don't know how one can say that if one also argues that this cause also created time, but it's such a convoluted subject that I'm willing to accept that time always was here, even if I also understand that time is a result of mass\energy thus couldnt have been here always), therefor is not part of the universe. Same as if I create a statue, it is not a part of me. it is outside of me. Yes, we share space and we are both a part of something else, but if there is nothing outside of the primary cause than the universe is not part of it.
Like, if the universe disappeared tomorrow than the cause (God? Potato?) would remain. it is independent of the universe, thus - not part of it.
That's how I think theists see it.
@@adarwinterdror7245 I would say that if a thing exists it is part of the universe, by definition. That's so even if it's the only thing in the universe. Indeed, if there was a time that God was the only thing that existed, and thus was synonymous with the universe, then everything would still be *part* of God. Yay, pantheism! :P
Further, "before time", "outside time", & "outside space" are meaningless. Gibberish doesn't prove anything.
Even their """""prophet"""""" didnt know anything, he was just rambling, badly immitating old testament,🤣 n now they try to make sense of it
Great video! The Muslim apologists cannot use the "Islamophobia" card against this style of fair criticism.
Some of them did already in the comment section.
I call them CIVILAZATIONPHOBES.
Tbh any type of criticism shouldn't be met with islamophobia
You dont here that being said about christians ? Its just weak . Islamophobia has no grounds
@B
Lol
Maybe, but a self respecting one would use "that is not how those verses should be seen in their proper context" and "you and I cannot understand the quran (in spite of how clear and perfectly rational I claim it is), we must consult an islamic scholar/reciter, someone with a vested interest in selling the Quran and who has spent years drinking the koolaid
Islamophobia and Muslimphobia needs to be separated. People are not their beliefs. Two people want no separation of people from beliefs. The bigots of the other side and extreme Muslims.
If Allah can be referred to as 'He', he has a similarity with human males.
Does he though? Most multi cellular beings procreate sexually, and as such have a male and female variant.
@@EskChan19 So? If God identifies with a masculine gender, then he has a similarity with his creations who also have a masculine gender.
Apologists could easily hand wave that criticism away by saying that God being a "he" is merely a limitation of human language and not an actual attribute of his.
@@EskChan19 Okay, then he has a similarity with all animals that have a male variant. I was wrong to limit him to a similarity with humans. He also has a similarity with pigs.
@@amirhosseinahmadi3706 Then Allah should let us know what pronoun they prefer and those of us who are not religious would refer to them by that pronoun. I doubt their followers would though.
Ex- Muslim here. I love your channel. You give me reason and will. Thank you❤❤
Ex Muslim here too my friend
@@thenun1846 I love you friend!
@@AsianCommentator haha you too my friend. I hope you are well and safe🤙
@Apostate dawah amazing dude! My parents are too stubborn unfortunately for the same reason. They've spent their whole lives as devout Muslims.
We share the same mission my friend. More people need to wake up from this nightmare that they think is a dream
Ex muslim from mumbai
Two of the biggest time sinks in the history of religions.
Though I'd say the Islam one is slightly worse as they have to pray like 5 times a day... That's just insane.
In the Quran, mohammad haggled the numbers of prayers down to 5 from the 50 Allah originally wanted. What a bro
Allah is just insecure, you have to keep telling him you love him or he’ll stop believing you!
@@TheBarser The yee old "offer something much worse to get what you want" just like Christmas feel that admitting sacrifice for nothing is better than eternal damnation because their God made the scenario that way. You don't get an award for cleaning up a mess you created. I can slap my wife across the face 50 times but I chose to only do so five times, fact is I should have never created the problem in the first place.
In the military it's the exact same thing as christianity only their god gives political updates to the priest every so often compared to christianity god is perfect so his first word never changes plus not killing disbelievers kinda modernized it some lol
Being christian means you have less chance of being born in saudi arabia as a woman...
Im sorry, i just had to say the one liner at the beginning was insane. I just came back from mentally composing myself, what a powerful statement, well said Rationality Rules
he'll be making 15 second videos from now on.
Yes excellent. Has made my day.
The "unlike creation" bogus is one of the most stupid religious dogmae I've ever come across...
Props to that, islam 👏
I mean, if existence already is the No. 1 preliminary assumption for anything to be incorporated in a logical semantic/calculus, and existence is shared with creation, he can't be unlike creation a priori.
But guess what: islam apologists will say "but, but that only means that his build and structure is unlike ours, for example, he can see but not like us".
Well yeah, then islam made a semantic error.
Hearing requires a medium through which particles pass in order to be received by an organ.
So allah thinks and perceives, as does creation.
On the other hand, an abstract definition like hearing can not be abstracted such that it simultaneously describes our hearing and the abstraction behind hearing: formulating a logical calculus in the brain.
That 1. contradicts the excluded middle, which leads to Russels pope paradox 2. is an entirely detached metalogic which needs its own term.
Since allahs hearing entails a common human word for hearing in arabic, the case is settled.
Fanaticism is obvious. Can't use rational reasoning against it
You're presupposing that Allah needs to have a similarity with us. Why? It is entirely fathomable that a being with unlimited knowledge, wisdom, and power, is able to come up with something that is unlike himself.
I always look at it like this: If your friend was in a human relationship, and their partner was purposely vague with everything they said, restricted activities to only those that they approved, constantly did bad things to "test" their partner's love and devotion, and constantly required that person's full attention, you would tell your friend that they are in an emotionally abusive relationship and they need to get out of there at all costs. But apparently, if it's god, it's okay?
God is an asshole and is the biggest gaslighter that I've ever heard of.
Well... Jordan Peterson has fans, so that attitude works well for him ;)
@@alexandertaylor7316 Exactly.....and what religion do the vast majority of his fans come from?
@@leob3447 They are all obviously Zoroastrian. He had a few Jain fan until he stepped on a bug.
@@leob3447 I'm agnostic but I do like jordan peterson, he really helped me develop as a person, and he does make valid arguments, even if you think that he is wrong, you can't deny that the man is well-educated and his content is of some value
Would you discipline your children? Do they know what’s good for them? You sound like a child who has no idea why his parents are so mean to him.
it seems that Muslim scholars don't understand the meaning of the question - 'why?'
It doesn't seem like they ever consider the possibility that their assertions might be pure bullcrap.
It seems to me, from my infrequent contact with Muslim apologists, that their unshakable bedrock is that their Quran was dictated by their Allah, and it is therefore automatically and unquestionably true.
Pretty much the same flaw as the Christian fundies, who believe that their Bible was written by their Yahweh, and it is therefore automatically and unquestionably true.
But neither will provide a reasonable foundation for their respective beliefs.
@@pauligrossinoz the only arguments they have for the Qur'an being the word of God are:
1. Muhammad was known to be an honest man, so he wouldn't make up the Qur'an.
2. Islam became a successful empire. Therefore God must have been with them.
3. Qur'an has good poetry.
Of course it goes without saying that all these are completely laughable arguments.
To call these morons "scholars" is already laughable IMO
@@Christopher-md7tf they are scholars in islamic fields though, which is a very very vast and almost endless field.
@@Ahmed-ef6ss If the topic of someone's inquiry is nonsensical to begin with, I won't consider them a scholar, no matter how much of said nonsense they have memorized.
Im not astonished at the idea that some children believe in Islam. But im really astonished to learn that some adults actually believe in Islam.
Honestly, a religion that gives you discipline and a social norms is pretty comfortable.
@@thiagovitordrumond1844 a religion such as?
@@Flashyfinancier Islam
@@thiagovitordrumond1844 horses dont fly
@@Flashyfinancier 👍
This is absolutely fascinating to me because I became an atheist by comparing and contrasting the 3 Abrahamic religions. That is where my questioning finally started. I learned very quickly that Islamist apologists sound just like Christian apologists in their arguments.
To say God is a creator who lives outside of time and space is like me saying I've created a car that lives in a new dimension.
Only I can't remember if I've left the hand brake on, so it could be rolling down a hill and I'm powerless to stop it...
But is the car going to hit ten people if it keeps rolling but if you can find it and hit the handbrake, it might hit only a single person?
If a God existed he definitely could transcend time and space because he's able to, your analogy doesn't disprove God's ability if he actually existed, our capabilities wouldn't be like him obviously, he could create a car without an engine if he wanted
Or is it's like non binary people saying they live outside the gender binary.
@@rutherford5619 Gender is not inherently binary.
@@jursamaj gender is based on sex, so it is.
If you want to believe in a cultural gender then what's wrong with others believing in a cultural god, or cultural medicines?
Why do these apologists always come across as so confident in their truth when, actually, they have no more experience of God than I have?
Fictional story telling has been around for centuries.
Dunning-Kruger...
I can tell you the story of Little Red Riding Hood with such confidence, you will be amazed. And I can defend every word I use.
Why do you scumbags always act so confident yet never make a good point against Islam.
Tribalism.
The idea that YHWH was Asherah's husband is from the north kingdom (Israel/Samaria), where YHWH became associated with the semitic god El (which simply means lord). They were also known as Allat and Elat, if you want to pull that particular philological thread all the way to classical Arabic . . . Modern monotheists will simply reject this as an heresy of their particular 'true' religion without having any understanding of theological provenance.
But what might be more unavoidable is that this kind of syncretism was common, not unique, throughout antiquity, and even at the outset of Christianity, with many denominations and gnostic sects having very extensive pantheons of gods and angels and demons. What's really remarkable is the fact that the Judean kingdom (eventually) managed to cultivate and impress upon the world the idea of a single deity, alone and omnipotent, for the sake of ethnic exceptionalism, reaching its most ecstatic expression in Islam. This is a concept not even Orthodox Christianity can quite accomodate, and owes a lot of its success and continued adherence to vicious repression and imposition. The idea of monotheism really is a very niche theory, and our familiarity with it masks just how historically and theologically odd/improbable it really is. Monotheism really is special in that sense, at least.
Muslims are able to be particularly obstinate about all this because thay can claim a total and perfect revelation at a particular point in time, absolving themselves of all and any requirements to, you know, actually learn anything about where their concept of God comes from before that point. Clever, in a completely ignorant kind of way. And not an argument you'll get anything useful out of.
Yeah there was a clear transition period from poly to monotheism. Believers like to wipe away all this history and claim there was always only 1 god. But the early days were chaos, many people disagreeing on just about everything. Countless stories were added and removed from the Bible, edited and rewritten, reinterpreted, before it finally became the Bible we got now. Same goes for the Qur'an. It had multiple versions, some were burned and erased from history, replaced by Sheikhs who wanted to impose their own views. Many stories in Bible and Qur'an were taken from polytheistic myths and religions, there are so many similarities.
I think it also helps that islam has seen the failure of xtianity, seen that non religious controlled education erodes the power of religion. Where xtianity has quit the barbaric penalties for questions that appear to doubt the existence of god, islam still sees barbaric death penalties as acceptable.
@@jaidee9570 I think Power that has coalesced is the most obvious, and we tend to recognise, historically, religious institutions that have exerted centralised influence over large populations. However, Religion, being an imaginative exercise, tends to proliferate and grow in myriad forms, even under repression; perhaps most explosively (for Christians) after the protestant reformation. The waning of the Catholic Church's murderous control does seem to have allowed for smaller religious orders to spring into life in unprecedented number, but I'm not sure any power was really lost (outside the Pope and Catholic princes) until better narratives and explanations began to take hold of people's epistemology. This was defintely through education, as you say (although often still religiouosly controlled).
The view of Islam as a barbaric, anti-intellectual imposition on the minds of all Muslims is actually a fairly recent one, and goes in hand with the rise and export of Wahabism. A consistent crticism from modern Muslim apologists is that Christianity has over 6000+ offshoots, whereas Islam is homogenous. This is simply untrue. Islam is as varied and lively as the cultures it has permeated and the ideas it has encountered. The dominant form of Islam, before the 19thC, was Sufism, in a vibrant blend of local customs and traditions. Islam has a problem right now, and that is extreme orthodoxy; the self-titled ulemas we in the West see on the news and in videos like this do not represent all Muslims, by any stretch. They are the product of a viscious Sunni anti-intellectualism straight out of Saudi Arabia, and one that has little effect in developed nations. But I think you're right in that they have identified education as an enemy to their sect ( think boko haram) and are waging a war against it. However, that's not a particularly novel tactic when it comes to controlling people. For example, Plato was all over that way before monotheism took root.
@@kurremkarmerruk8718 nuanced and very interesting posts. In fact even more interesting than the video. 😁Thanks.
I just had a debate with a Muslim on another channel. Whoa, I had no idea how much they hate evolution.
They can be very close minded and the common experience I’ve had is that they seem to be very childish?
Not only have the ones I’ve come across on a “theology channel” seem to be like 2016 alt right types (thinking persecution of minorities is “based”, unless they’re that minority I guess), they also have a very poor understanding of evolution (stuff like “man makes a robot, the robot must have evolved from a toaster with no creator involved LOL”), can only cling to the “god of the gaps” and “look how pretty birds are, god must have made them!” arguments.
I observed a back and forth in the comments where someone challenged an atheist to explain a scientific theory to them, it might have been evolution or the current theory of how the universe began I can’t remember, when the scientific words were “too fancy” the Muslim commenter began to be like “lol you’re trying to sound smart using big fancy words to cover up your lies”. There seems to be an unwillingness to entertain complex ideas, or read and educate themselves (which I thought Islam was supposed to be all about rationality and logic).
@@salamaabid6923 that’s absolutely fascinating to me and a mirror of my experiences with fundamentalist Christians. People who spend countless hours brainwashing themselves are difficult to reason with. They seem scared of anything outside of their fragile ego.
If Allah has no needs, why would he create anything?
Theologians and philosophers of religion have been trying to grapple with that and similar questions for centuries. Remember a similar one discussed in my Islamic Philosophy class and I think Ibn Sina or one of his peers wrote about it. The rationalizations lead to pretty weird conclusions about god and concepts similar to platonic ideals.
@@jackbarman7063 I can help those theologians and philosophers out. He would not create anything unless he had a need.
@@billmorash3322in the Greek religion the gods created human beings so that their prayers fuels gods immortality.
It doesn't matter what religion it is, when two theists discuss their beliefs it sounds like two kids discussing their favourite superhero!
- "These two are nothing alike!"
- "...and at least one of them exists?"
- "Yes!"
- "Then the other one must not or they would be alike in some way?"
- "Yes! ...wait... uuuuuuhhh...."
Exactly.
Muslims: No stop it. That doesn't count
Funny how allah isn 'nohing like' his creation. But allah has a throne to sit on. I think it's justified to assume he has a bum. He also has legs. Both are right legs somehow.
Their existences are different. that is how they are not like each other.
@@wisdomjamin5297 Read my comment and respond.
That opening remark had me LMAO. Always enjoy your stuff. You inspire me to get better at my own critical thinking. I want to get to the point where I can spot fallacies as easily as you do and dissect them.
He's presupposing that Allah needs to have a similarity with us. Why? It is entirely fathomable that a being with unlimited knowledge, wisdom, and power, is able to come up with something that is unlike himself.
@@sub7se7en If Allah existed, he would have a similarity with his creation, as we do in fact exist. That would be the joke. If he is dissimilar to his creation in every way, he cannot exist.
Actually, it would also be a similarity to be able to communicate with humans. How can he write a book while being dissimilar to us in every way?
@@echiko4932 Why? If he is all powerful, almighty, all knowing, and most wise etc why can he not come up with a creation that is dissimilar to himself? Of course he could do that.
The reason he can communicate with us is because he is capable of doing anything he wills. And he can do it in any manner he wishes. In his infinite wisdom he chose this manner.
@@sub7se7en O almighty Allah, show yourself on camera and prove the haters wrong, lest you be called a scam, or a sadistic fck that enjoys sending people to Jahannam.
@@echiko4932 A person can't even look at the sun without damaging their eyes, you think you can see Allah? And being on video isn't good proof. All kinds of excuses can be made for why the video is doctored, shopped, CGI, etc. People can claim any sort of thing. Best thing is a book. Allah's speech is unlike any from the creation. If one reads if cover to cover they'll innately understand this is from their lord. And the fact that you have to resort to insults and profane speech shows your own desperation. Stay blind. I'm not going to continue with someone of your poor character and quality.
Nice video, one point I wanna mention, the Arabic translation of "ليس كمثله شيء" just means "nothing like him" so I'm not sure where this cheikh got the "in any way or shape" from, it seems like he just added it without much thinking about the consequences of using these few additional words, so it would have been better to just address the "nothing like him" part without the "in any way" one, since as you said it totally destroys his premise
But it's still impossible to have any sort of being that's 'nothing like anyone else' when if there are single or married people around a god must be something like one group let alone all the other qualities it's impossible to avoid having by just existing.
@@lurch666 he's single xD
But yeah I get your point, the argument to be made here is that once you take the "in any way or shape" from the "nothing/no one like him" it becomes less exclusive, meaning that if some creatures share some of god's attributes like existence and the ability to feel anger for example, but not share all of the other teaits that makes him god, then they're still not like him, so they're included in the many creatures/things that aren't like god, not in every regard ofc, but one is enough.
And imo this is what is understood from reading the text in Arabic, the text itself (in my opinion again) isn't meant to be understood and debated word by word, but by getting the "spirit of the text" or what the author meant, and to me it seems logical that it didn't mean that god is unlike us in any way including existence itself, actually I believe they also say thst god created man in his own image xD so it's more like he's something different, nothing is like him, but in the same way Neptune is different than any human being and no human being is like him.
Having said all of that, it's not for me to decide what it means, I just said what most of the Muslims I came into contact with think about it and how the original text in Arabic sounds to me, some other people might have a different opinion on this
That's an apologetics addition, because they try to head off counterpoint and deconstruction of their claims. If "nothing is like him in any way" then no comparisons can be drawn or assumptions made. Nor can we comprehend anything about him beyond what he tells us. It's a "shut up and believe" argument.
The flipside is it leaves them open to the existence point made here. But that's where apologetics fail, regardless of religion. None of their arguments stand up to consideration from all sides, and their collective arguments do not, and cannot, form a cohesive, sensible narrative.
@@OneEyed_Jack dude, I'm an ex Muslim and Arabic speaker, I don't need to be apologetic about a religions I left for good reasons, I'm just starting what I (an average Arabic speaker) would understand from hearing that verse of the Quran, and it's "nothing like him" in the verse not "nothing like him in any way"
But again that's my opinion and that's what I think the words meant, other Arabic speakers might disagree
@@adamhahaha6388 Yea that's always the trick with these discussions, whether you take it really literal or give some leniency. You could see "created man in his own image" and "nothing is like him" as a contradiction and therefore an error in the book. Or you could see "created man in his own image" as a hint that "nothing is like him" is to be taken lightly, so not an error.
Basically if you wanna debunk these books, go full on literal. If you wanna defend the books, go full-on leniency / metaphorical.
Problem is, if we take everything as metaphorical, nothing is literal, then you can make the case for every single religion on earth that it is true. Scientific/Logical error? => Meh it's just metaphorical, there problem solved :)
But only 1 religion can be true, since they all contradict each other. So what a religion of over a thousand years old needs in order to prove its truth, is for a literal interpretation to still make sense, giving miraculous knowledge. Naturally, literal interpretation debunk any religion, so metaphorical is the only route to take, and then hope people buy it without evidence.
As a Muslim, I'm glad you're doing all these videos deconstructing these dawah-based arguments. Keep it up. This is great content. I don't think Islam is more rational than Christianity and I don't believe the reverse is true either. I'm more of a cultural Muslim. I believe both religions are metaphorically true but probably literally false.
Well THIS is an interesting statement! I'm fascinated.
What use does a metaphorical truth have in actual reality?
@@agermanviewpoint7467 very little is known about the historical Muhammad. Most of the hadith literature was composed/collected several decades after his death. But I agree, the hadith literature itself as well as the Quran consist of some very problematic passages.
What is a metaphorical truth?
@@456MrPeople the story of the grasshopper and the ants isn't literally true but it does illustrate a certain idea/message/moral accurately. It's a metaphor that illustrates the virtues of hard work and preparing ahead.
Most followers of Abrahamic religions don't realize that Judaism used to be henotheistic. They had many deities, some evidence for which is in the older parts of the bible, and the people chose one of those deities to devote themselves to. They had El, the chief god, and the Elohim, El's children with his many goddess wives. These included Yahweh, a wrrior god. Eventually they were combined into one all powerful being, possibly after borrowing the idea from zoroastrianism.
Good video. Btw FYI when he said God is "willing" he is referring to Islam's belief that God's "will" (Iradah) is one of God's eternal attributes that has no beginning nor end. There was some discussion about this in classical Islam with some sects and speculative theologians arguing that God's attributes are created and not eternal, however even those who held that view accepted that the attribute of "will" was one of his essential or intrinsic attributes.
Lmao you and I at this point are watching every single anti Islam video
Ex Muslim here love your channel since 2018 💖
I doubt that you were not Muslim.
Stop spreading bad about Islam!!
@@diyaahmed1695 what made you doubt that i was a Muslim ? Why would I lie about this
@@randomina465 please proof me that you’re an ex-Muslim
How many rakat in wudu? Then
@@diyaahmed1695 😂😂😂😂😂i know that joke mate
@@randomina465 just answer it
Whatever it is
I appreciate when you admit agreement when it is due, rather than dismissing everything that apologists say.
And still destroying poor arguments, which is the majority of the time!
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I love your channel, I learn something every time! Could you be persuaded to address the fallacies in some of Putins speeches? I’d be very interested to hearing your thoughts. Ukraine, stay strong, the world, reason, love and history are on your side ❤️🇺🇦
Winning in the opening statement. Well done. That may be the earliest in a video that I've given a like. I mean, I like the majority of your content anyway, but that was worthy of applause.
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@@nenmaster5218 Oh, I'm subbed to almost all of those, and have been for... gosh, years now. My, how time flies.
Prophet of Zod, Telltale, Paulogia, and (recently for me) Emma Thorne are also good watches.
Honorable mention goes out to Sciman Dan, and Forrest Valkai for being excellent in their own spheres.
@@nenmaster5218 Oh, but highfive for the recommendations!
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"There is nothing like him in any way"
Except for being a "him".
In french, a group of mix sexes or unknown defaults to male in the language.
I think it is the same way for most languages, so it could just be the default pronoun to identify an unknown entity.
@@carter2865
Not sure what french has to do with it.
The person making the statement is of middle eastern descent living in Australia. It shows the mysoginistic bent of religion.
My point is that "Him" would indicate the entity has male genitalia. And this person is saying that allah is not like anything else.
@@jonnawyatt And my point is that "Him" does not necessarily indicate that it has male genitalia or even masculinity.
In fairness to Islam, they have two answers to this. One is that the use of masculine pronouns for God comes from the word being masculine in Arabic, so it's more like Monday being masculine in French. Second is that they are using "him" here in the classic grammatical rule that the whole takes the masculine as in "The Rights of Man" (not that I'm endorsing this use, it's obviously archaic) It would be an error to read Paine as meaning "The Rights of Male People not including Female People", so it's an error to read the use of "him" as Muslims claiming Allah is like a male person.
@@jonnawyatt In Islam, God is genderless. Period.
"Many irrational questions will come about by irrational beliefs...", did he just say that as a valid argument?
Thank you for this. I was just talking to my mother and needed a dose of highly refined logic to take the edge off...
Loved the vid. That sound effect at 11:30 was waaaaay too loud tho :D
Lol ur production quality has gone up like 1000x since I started watching fam. Nice
Appreciate the notice, cheers : )
Once again an excellent presentation!!! I find your videos and approach refreshing and inspiring Stephen and I wish you the best brother!
As a Christian, I’m grateful for your service of defense.
I was thinking of the "we exist though" loophole in the intro as he said that and a few seconds after that you said that. They say great minds think alike so I guess that means my mind is great
This made me think of a part of Tim Minchins "the Good Book"
I know the Good book's good because the Good Book Book says it's good
I know the Good book's know its good because a really good book would
All willing? I'm honestly very confused by this. Like, is god just down for whatever? Like, you call him up any time for watching a game, a road trip, genocide, he responds "sonofabitch I'm in"
I'm pretty sure the Romans had some gods like that.
God is the Nicholas Cage of gods?
Rationality Rules, Stephen, love your mug, channel and beautiful responses! 👍🥰💞✌
GREAT!! @ 0:56 all the debunking has been done. Love it!!
God created us in his image, but nothing is like him? Hmm...
I'm not quite sure, does Islam teach that he did that? I know christianity does, but does Islam specifically say that he made us in his image?
@@EskChan19
The Bible is a holy book of Islam. It's just less holy than the Qur'an. Jesus is an important prophet in Islam. Just not as important as Mo
that haircut tho... 😳 it do be fire.
nice video as always!
There is also a way for them to say it that would kind of work.
And omnipotent being would have to function on completely different laws of physics to our universe, meaning it would be so incomprehensible to us that we'd never be able to know it's thoughts and desires.
I find this argument convincing on it's own.
The problem is when they go on to claim they know how this being wants us to act.
@@camipco the big problem I have is that modern religions are so heavily twisted from how they started that nothing today means anything
The Sheik says about Allah that no-one can be compared to Him in any way. When he said that, it made me think of when I was a little kid and I would get into the classic "My Dad is better than your Dad" argument, that always ends up with some impossible infinite measurement that nobody could possibly live up to -- even my Dad!
They are so self assured of their nonsense! I do not understand how someone can keep a straight face when they are describing a "god" that by admission, is "unknowable". Utter medieval nonsense.
👍🏼 Medieval compilation of Bronze Age stories.
I literally bursted out laughing when he said the the notion of God having a wife would open too many irrational questions.
Then again, if God had a wife, he wouldn't be all knowing. Someone would know more than him.
And he couldn't be all powerful because he couldn't win an argument against her. So obviously any clue about the existence of a wife is work from the devil
That word “ صمد " is an unknown word but they translate that later on to mean “ needs nothing “.
It has some 100 meanings ,
so it can fit whatever you want to be .!
7:02 In the last two seasons of _Stargate: SG1,_ they had to fight the Ori, ancient beings who existed a very long time ago and since then, have evolved to the point where they transcended the physical plane and became beings of pure energy. But now they anoint some mortals as Priors to go around the galaxy, proselytizing and evangelizing with extreme force to convert everybody to a religion that worship the Ori because… the Ori get energy from worship.
In the previous seasons of SG1 (and the _Stargate_ movie), they had to contend with the Goa-uld, parasitic worm-like creatures who take over humanoid's bodies and imbue them with extremely long life and strength, and have used the hosts to develop technologically over many millennia and became advanced enough to travel around the galaxy in big ships. It turns out that many of the gods that were worshiped by humans were actually Goa'uld who seemed god-like compared to primitive humans. I said many of the gods were Goa'uld, not _all_ because most of the rest were Asgard, yet another race of alien beings who also developed technologically over aeons and were worshiped as gods by primitive humans.
Life definitely exists out there in space because it's just so big, it's a mathematical certainty, but by the same token, space _so big_ that it's highly unlikely any life will ever meet or even hear from life on other planets. Not in real-life. But in science-fiction, you can say they developed technologically until they were able to make faster-than-light travel possible, thus making "Ancient Aliens" plausible. (I will note that Stargate only focused on gods from ancient cultures, they never claimed anything about the "Big 3"; you'd think that aliens would have replicator technology to produce a lot of fish… 🤔)
5:01
Maybe because your God is all-powerful
Wtf...
6:19
Yes exactly
Near the beginning, the host mentioned some common questions that he got from google. Including “Is God female?” Which gave me a thought that I had never considered before.
It seems to be mostly agreed on that God is incorporeal, aside from a few instances where he creates a physical body to interact with someone. Like when he mooned Moses or hit Jacob below the belt.
If God doesn’t have a (natural) body, then he can’t be sexually male OR female. So his masculinity is based purely on gender and when he made a temporary physical body, he made it match his gender.
If gender can exist without sex, doesn’t that fly in the face of the oh so popular “a man is a man” argument that Christian anti-trans people are so fond of? If you can have a gender without having a physical sex at all, then wouldn’t it make sense that two people of the same sex could have different genders.
look up the very disturbing PragerU video on this topic. It's a right laugh, if you can get past the toxic masochisme
It is indeed a religious doctrine that souls have a gender, a doctrine not just theistic religions uphold.
Since gender is based on chemicals in the body and the wiring of the brain, and closely related to sexual reproductive organs, it makes no sense at all. Makes no sense for God/Allah to have a gender anyway. Makes no sense to call it a "He", or for itself to call itself "He". Imo it's just another proof that these religions are false, written by humans that neither knew nor understood that gender is just a concept made up by humans to distinguish the two sexes that we come in.
There are species on earth that don't even have different sexes, and species that have more than 2.
But somehow the almighty creator of the universe subscribes to the personality traits of 1 type of animal species (out of hundreds of thousands) living on 1 planet (out of trillion trillions), while he is also incorporeal and therefore shouldn't have a personality since personality is generated by the brain and chemicals...
@@sarenareth689 Well yeah, gender without brain chemistry makes no sense either. But theists have a tendency to get touchy when you bring up brain chemistry. I was looking at it as an option to avoid that particular argument while still showing that "a man is a man" doesn't make sense.
This is funny. Because that's exactly what I was doing recently when I debated a Muslim Apologist.
I was using a Christian stance to argue in some sense. It was hilarious shifting from Christian pretend mode to atheist mode.
This is a revolutionary thought for me, that a god desiring something makes it a lesser god than one with no desires. I hope you run with this in another video as I'd like to see this fleshed out.
I guess he means it because having desires makes you lacking something. Also if you have desires and you're omnipotent you could just quench the desire by any mean you "desire".
I think the real problem if the idea of omnipotence which makes no sense and shouldn't imho ever be introduced in any rational conversation as something to agree about...
@@gudemik5335 Thank you. That is helpful.
i gave up on religion a while ago. amd i found this channel trying to justify my atheism in a ultra christian country and home. as well as to myself. but at this point its been 3 yrs and im just watching for entertainment
Now imagine me trying to maintain, research, and enjoy my atheism in Pakistan 👉🏽👈🏽
Islam will make more sense to you if you seek it yourself rather than filter it through hostile lenses
@@Wakamolewonder i dont think so... its just another religion to me at least. Ive been an absurdist for yrs now and i havent found any reason to not be. And especially not from any religious text.
@@ryangiggs1188 What is an absurdist
@@Wakamolewonder i believe there is no divine purpose or meaning to anything were doing and that suffering is inevitable and part of life but i believe i can give nyself purpose and find joy in the day to day shit i do
I love that. Because we exist, he cannot exist. Brilliant!!!
nice vid
a calm and rational debunk, its a long time since i have seen one of these
0:56 Why can I just hear Steven He's voice in my head saying "emotional damage" 😂😂
I love how smug these clowns are in their certainty, while simultaneously contradicting and undermining any credibility they imagine they project. Too funny!
“The Holy Spirit will come on you”
🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Well, isn’t THAT interesting?!
Idk what you mean.
@@zat5176
The Angel Gabriel explained to the Virgin Mary that she will become pregnant with God when the Holy Spirit "will come on her" (Luke 1:35, NIV).
This sounds sexually suggestive.
The Holy Spirit "comes" on her, and she will get pregnant from that.
1) “Wanting” is something that a “perfect being” wouldn’t have as you can want only the things you lack and by definition a “perfect being” wouldn’t lack anything…
2) when we say that something “exists” we mean “in specific time and place” so “existing outside of time and space” is a non sequitur.
3)trying to discuss features of an immaterial immortal being that you haven’t actually met yourself is like discussing the features of the monster that lives under your bed with your friends when you’re nine years old: nobody actually saw it and everyone’s opinions of him differ but everyone is totally sure he exists!
The Bible itself tells us that Ashera had been worshipped in the Kingdom of Judea within the temple of Yahweh, since it mentions its removal twice, by two separate kings (Hezeikiah and Josiah, IIRC). That suggests that the goddess was worshipped in Jerusalem for a long time (maybe even since David and/or Solomon, if they existed); was removed from the temple by Hezekiah (or at least during his reign), restored by his successor, and then removed again by Josiah. This is consistent with the general thread (which, IIIRC, has some extra-Biblica support) that both these kings promoted a particularly exclusivist Yahweh worship.
As I grow older I can't wrap my head around people honestly believing that there's a being in the universe so powerful it can create it and there's only 1 of these beings.
It is so nonsensical it actually hurts my brain.
All the things they claim is needed to be a god, who made those rules?
Where do those rules come from?
Did the god teach us that and if so, why?
It has no reason to do so, notice how they also keep referring to this being as a man, why?
They were deliberately misled as children. Adults that they trusted threw baseless claims at them and instructed them to accept the claims without providing any good evidence. Children do not have the ability to be sceptical. This process of accepting claims is repeated throughout their entire childhood and it has been shown to reduce their ability to assess claims correctly into adulthood. That is why many religions people become victims of the flat earth claims, young earth claims, naturopathy claims, law of attraction claims etc. The cycle then continues when they have their own children because they attend a religious facility which encourages them to bring their children along. The same baseless claims are fired at their children and it goes on and on.
It is really easy to. If humans are a copy then the original must have perfect features.
Jesus claimed God to be his Heavenly Father. God wrote the rules.
@@gospeljoy5713 Did you just claim that humans are perfect?
Presupposing things are a fallacy btw.
@@gospeljoy5713 what rules?
You can't come into a conversation with half assed sentences out of context.
I thought christianity was load of crap...and then Islam said "HOLD MY GOAT..."
Sam Harris once told Christopher Hitchens: "If you dislike Christianity then you will hate Islam".th-cam.com/users/shortsPMcp222ZgF0
Why does the argument they are making here make Islam worse than Christianity?
@@camipco I wasn't referring to this video specifically...just to the two religions in general.
@@camipco more indoctrination, more authoritarian, more discouraged critical, less questioning, poorer literature
@@tomdebevoise That sounds a lot like Islamophobia.
AHHHHHH!!!! The price of the card game isn't in 'murkin dollery doos! How am I supposed to buy it if it isn't in imperial trading notes!?!?!
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I kid. Keep up the amazing work bub!
Damn son you look like a whole season of Vikings binge watched YOU. Been a while, big changes!
The idea of Allah being dissimilar to his creation in every way is laughable. Allah show emotions similar to humans like anger, jealousy, need for worship and recognition etc etc. These are attributes we see in humans..so why does Allah behave so human?
The answer to this is that the use of those words is describing the result of Allah's existence, not an emotional state Allah has. So when the Quran says "Allah shows mercy" they do not mean "Allah experiences the internal feeling of wanting to soften his punishments" but rather "the result of the existence of Allah is that we receive less harsh punishment than we deserve".
@@camipco well humans also show mercy. So we are similar to Allah in that way.
im a pantheist but holy sh*t the amount of misrepresentation or misunderstanding of christianity the sheikh does is embaressing and dissapointing
Pantheism in an interest resting definition, would you please care to clarify?
@@gudemik5335 all that exists is god
@@EmptyD0ll so it's another word for universe? Or do you insert also a conscience in the idea?
@@gudemik5335 nah just descriptive stuff, existence = god
Your intro made me chuckle outloud 🤣
Can you also do a video on eastern religions (or dharmic religions) like Hindusim, Jainism, and Buddhism?
@AnishSamanta-hy6iv I'm of an eastern faith (Hinduism), while being agnostic myself. When I had posted this comment, I had just started to look into Hinduism more deeply, so wanted to know the perspective of an atheist on it.
It’s completely acceptable in the Christian tradition to say that “God does not exist” because it is impossible to apply human concepts and words such as “existence” to the divine. In the Western church this approach to theology is called the “via negativa” and in the Eastern church (where I think it’s more widespread, especially in the mystical traditions) it’s referred to as the “apophatic“ (=denying, negating) way.
This negative theology shares a lot with Greek neo-platonism and late second-temple Judaism, so it seems as if they’re all influencing one another in the great philosophical melting pot of Judeo-Christian-Platonic thought that begins late bce in the Eastern Mediterranean and slowly draws in the Latin traditions of the early centuries ce.
If interested, just google “Apophatic Theology.” It’s fascinating, even to this atheist!
Its the theist form of "logic". Actual logic debunks their bullshit so they had to invent concepts and pretend its logic to claim anyone who doesnt understand their logic is unreasonable or illogical. The usual bullshit because they dont have evidence.
@@Z4r4sz then you believe that something came from nothing? Where’s the logic in that? Do you believe in the religion of the multiverse to explain the fine tuning of the universe? Do you think we’re just puddles of water living in a hole until it dries up? 😂
@@Wakamolewonder *_"then you believe that something came from nothing?"_*
Do I believe that?
*_"Do you believe in the religion of the multiverse..."_*
No and scientific hypothesises arent religions.
*_"the fine tuning of the universe"_*
Thats a religious concept, not a scientific or real concept.
*_"Do you think we’re just puddles of water living in a hole until it dries up?"_*
No.
You think anyone is stumped by those dumb questions and claims? Is this the best you got?
@@Z4r4sz An untestable hypothesis is not scientific. The belief in the multiverse is akin to a belief in the supernatural.
The fine tuning of the universe is a scientific concept.
It stumped you because you don’t know what you’re talking about.
@@Wakamolewonder Can you even try to acknowledge what Ive wrote?
*_"An untestable hypothesis is not scientific."_*
At least scientists are honest about the lack of evidence and wont preach to others about it.
*_"The belief in the multiverse..."_*
Its not a belief, its a scientific hypothesis. You literally just mentioned hypothesis. Do you even know what these words mean?
*_"The fine tuning of the universe is a scientific concept."_*
Says who? You? Some creationist organisation that pretends to offer science and successfully fooled you to believe that? Actual scientists who demonstrated fine tuning?
Even if fine tuning were a thing, it doesnt prove a god is involved.
Parrotting the same line over and over and over doesnt make it true. Everyone who claims the universe is fine tuned is a theist and none of you can prove it. You just repeatedly claim it and not offer any scientific explaination. And you dont grasp that nobody takes you serious.
*_"It stumped you because you don’t know what you’re talking about."_*
No, you astonishing arrogance and stupidity stumped me.
Is this pathetic display the best you got? You think this bullshit convinces me that your imaginary friend exists? Thats pathetic.
Have always been amazed by the extreme insecurity of God. He comes across as a highschool jock, boasting of his achievements, demanding praise and bullying those that don't show him the admiration he thinks he deserves. It's really pathetic.
The existence of multiple religions debunks monotheism. If a supremely intelligent and omnipotent being were to try and communicate with us they should be able to do it in a way that cannot be misunderstood or misinterpreted.
Thus you would have no sects within the same religion at the most minor, and no multiplicity of religions at the more major level.
Also, another thing, why did the true God stand by thousands of years while people worshipped false gods with no knowledge about the true God, only to recently "reveal" itself in the newest religions
I'd argue against the idea that "emotional investment in the actions of lesser beings" as a weakness.
That presupposes values on an omnipotent being.
I find a similar flaw in the idea that AI will necessarily rebel upon achieving sentience.
It's a projecting of malevolence onto something we cannot know. Attributing the *worst* of humanity onto things that we FULLY understand to be outside of humanity entirely.
On a more philosophical note: I don't consider emotional investment, or caring about those who can do nothing for you, to be a weakness.
Doing things with no benefit to self is not only NOT a weakness, it's actually demonstrable in nature.
A good many mating and sexual selecting behaviours reveal individuals disadvantaging themselves to demonstrate their worthiness. (peacocks are at a HUGE survival disadvantage in order to produce offspring)
But then again "benefit to self" requires presuppositions that not suffering is better than suffering, or that individual survival is better than passing on genetic code.
All in all, it's an unresolvable mess that we'll be debating and theorising about forever. Which is no bad thing, philosophy should always be an ongoing, personal process.
Prof Francessa Stavrakapoulou is the go to academic at the moment...ace video by the way
I never understood why muslims always seem to cite (?) their religious text in arabic. At least for me it's very disruptive of their argumentation and doesn't have any additional value for the argument
imagine a religious debate where both sides are right. What joy. What a time to be alive. Unless you are an atheist blogger in Bangladesh or SA or etc etc.
“Is God a female? Even!” That says it all really
I find the spirituality of Dungeons and Dragons to be far more compelling and relatable than any of the Abrahamic bullshit.
You mean having deities that actually interact with people, and give a significant percentage of them powers, is better than "they exist, you just have to believe"? How could this be? Clearly only occasionally doing anything and being really distant from people is more relatable. God is a shut-in.
You try and look at the Norse Mythology that’s pretty interesting too.
I like it when western atheists take on Islam and are courageous enough to call out their B.S.
What is the red object with SPQR printed on it? It looks familiar to me.
Super big book on the Romans.
Written by Mary Beard I believe.
A wonderful book by Mary Beard, on Roman history (I have a deep fascination of Roman and Viking history).
My google research gave me "Is God of War open world", didn't see them address that
''Nothing is like him in any way''
Wait so then god shares no qualities with us, including existence, so god doesn't exist. Check mate theists
It’s hyperbole. All Muslims know that God shares some traits with mankind. What is meant here is that we are to God as an atom is to the universe. Sure we share some traits. 🙄
@@Wakamolewonder They are just trolling, if they really wanted to understand Islam, they would read Qur'an and find the true sources, they came to this channel just to have a position of power.
If God is real and believers know it for sure, why do apologetics exist?
Can you do a review on Jordan Peterson’s new video with Hamza Yusuf? Love your vids
Consider this, that the subset of logic applied in terms of fallacies, has a limited use, and a specific setting in which it has great leverage and settings in which it is of limited use. To treat religious expressions, that impacts the lives of billions, past and present in a setting that has more resemblance to a ping pong game than anything resembling analytical thinking, seems to be to be pretty limited endeavour.
LOL - the fight of who's imaginary friend is the better!
May i suggest you check out other A-Channel?
Like Belief It Or Not (at least his non-podcast-videos...), Viced Rhino, GMS,
Creaky Blinder, Hbomberguy and Sir Sic?
All these logical conundrums are the Greeks’ fault. Before them, gods were just glorified humans with all our weaknesses and inconsistencies. A perfect abstract deity is incompatible with the ancient religions and theologians of various stripes have been hard put to make it work. Unsuccessfully. On another note, the sheik is not used to answering questions, only to spouting his doctrines which others had to accept on pain of death. The damned Greeks invented skepticism too. Things used to be easier.
So you're saying it would be better if we never questioned anything and just believed things because it's easier to just believe rather than question?
@@FalenDragmire Not better, easier.
I left Sydney over a decade ago but that Sefton accent still klangs in my ears.
Is anyone here who knows Farsi who could translate the (probably various) meaning(s) of the words of surah 5:48? Considering that the "usual" translations pretty much sound like it confirms that the bible is true, while other verses deny parts of it. So going with the "usual" translations, the quran would actually disprove itself already via it's statements about the bible...
I would love to see you spend some time looking into Ashera & how (& especially why ⊚) she was eventually edited out from the original Canaanite mythos as it became the Jewish one.
If the story of what happened is accurate (it's based on a lot of well supported speculation), then it would be a fascinating exploration of human psychology.
⊚ As I understand it, the priests had been forced out of power in Canaan, so were looking towards nation building with a far more militaristic structure. They chose to eliminate many of the nurturing/feminine characteristics of deity, while emphasising masculine power & dominance - so Ashera had to go & Yahweh became a vengeful, authoritarian bigot (all ready to assault & enslave their neighbours).
I have a hypothesis that this probably happens with the child king Josias who came into a few generations after Solomon. it was shortly after he came into power that the high priests in Jerusalem monopolized the worship of Yahweh in the temple there in addition to a number of reforms to eliminate idol worship and other stuff. When reading the passage it sounds like to me a power grab by the high priests and a scheme to make them rich.
I'm so glad I'm an atheist now , finnaly I don't need to hear the theoretical bs. of christians and muslims.
@@twigsagan3857 My parents said I could believe if I wanted, but they themselves said they didn't know, they just didn't practice any faith. That was fine when I was a kid, went to a christian school and did prayer etc, but never really knew what I was doing. I believed that it might be true, but also wondered whether it really is.
Once I graduated high school and went to uni, I became pretty serious about it. Knowledge of biology and the universe erased all my doubts, I started thinking that it's not really up in the air whether religions are true, it's not the case that "nobody really knows", and it's silly to say "just believe if u want and don't if u don't." It's most definitely not true, and we can prove it easily with the knowledge that we have. I started wondering why BILLIONS still believe this stuff.
I noticed that nobody around me actually researched any of this. Nobody around me believes, but they also don't say it's not true. When I say it's most definitely not true, they think I'm being too harsh, too serious, they don't really wanna talk about it since they don't want to offend people. Neither do I, but it's just not my principle to tip-toe around subjects that are 1000% false. And once I realized that I know things that almost nobody around me knows made me feel kinda proud, but also worried that people do so little research on what I find pretty important (what happens after death).
@@sarenareth689 I search it, and I say that the religion of Islam is certainly true, how about this?
This has always been my biggest unanswered question. Why would God care about human religion or worship? Why would He care about humans at all?
I've always wondered at the tr-omni claims, and all the logical problems they present.
This claim that Allah bears no resemblance in to us in any way whatsoever, has to be either something a bit misunderstood, or a blantand falsehood.
The list of ways man and Allah would need to have similar traits is a long one.
Aside from existing, the abilities:
To think
To communicate
To love
To remember
To have consciousness
To create
To perceive
To understand
To predict (ok maybe a question there, if omniscience exists prediction may be irrelevant, but there would still be predictions just based from differing sources of knowledge)
OK maybe not huge yet, but I'm sure there are many more I haven't considered off the top of my head.
And anyway, before differing traits are considered, I'd think it necessary to establish positive traits existing.
In this case was there more than: "The Koran tells us these things, and thus it defines Islam"? With assertions that the claims of the Koran must be true for "reasons".
I'm a Muslim and I really enjoy it, and would appreciate you do more videos on Islam.
I'm an ex Muslim and I agree.
I assume by "Muslim", you mean "ex-Muslim"?
@@1970Phoenix I really don't know.
@@eldritchbeluga9277 Deconstructing the faith you were brainwashed into as a child is difficult and takes time … sometimes years. But you clearly have an open mind and are making the effort to search out opposing views, so I'm very confident that you will eventually find your way completely out of superstition and into reality.
I wish you well in your journey.
@Kings& One No I'm real. No trolling or hate or reverse psychology. Genuinely enjoy this guys videos since it forces me to think
if there is a god, no one on earth has got it right.
I tried their google search autocomplete thing and among the top 9 I found "is god a furry", "is got a mathematician" and "is god a vampire". I'm pretty sure I know what they'd say to the mathematician question, but what about the others?! I DON'T NEED SLEEP, I NEED ANSWERS! IS HE A FURRY OR NOT?! And if not, how can you prove it?
The sheik says that "God" does not dwell within his creation. So, why was the Quran ever written? God isn't supposed to be messing around with us, then, right? It's like saying that a kid playing with little army men, and "Creating" a whole, full-blown scenario, and then somehow also trying to say that the kid was never "IN" that scenario. I would argue that the kid is FULLY in the scenario, because he's creating the whole thing. Also, why make the scenario in the first place? If "God" has a need to create us, then there must be a reason. At the very least "he" is bored... in which case he's NOT all-powerful... he has a weakness.
If the islamic perception of God insists that God Has no needs.... then the islamic God has no need for ppl to listen to him or to read "his" bible... 😂😂😂😂😂