You should only do these if you yourself like how the sketchbook looks! Doing this ONLY for external validation will just feed that want inside of you and make you more needy and sensitive to rejection in the long run. If that is the case, the video is summed up like: "Here are 5 tips to achieve X outcome. You might be saying: "isn't X outcome empty and superficial?" Yes it is, but I'm a flawed individual and I chase these empty and superficial goals." And? You don't have to be enlightened to walk away from the instant validation. Don't we, just like we strive to be better artists, also strive to be better individuals? Three years ago you said "Drawing for likes is a very real problem and trust me, I'm guilty of it too." ("Honesty in Art", Oct 4, 2020) Now here you are making videos on how to "GET MORE LIKES". If anyone wants to tell me how I'm wrong about this in the replies I'm down to discuss it.
I think you bring up some great points. There's a prevailing assumption that art created out of self-expression-- immune to extrinsic motivations-- is somehow more "pure" and is therefore better. I would argue that it may be a flawed premise. In fact, some of the greatest art in history were made by the artist for other people. My stance on this is that art made without consideration of the audience is self-serving and of no benefit to anyone but the artist themselves. After all, what is so bad about wanting to make art that makes someone feel a certain way? It comes from a place of generosity and service, as opposed to one of ego. Perhaps I could've worded it better, but the final point of the video is not meant as a cop out but rather an acknowledgment of the ego. What are we but walking contradictions? That is what it means to be human. To simultaneously hold conflicting ideas in one's head. We can aspire to be free of judgement when making art. And we can also judge ourselves less when we don't. Thank you for giving me the chance to clarify my thoughts. And thank you for participating in this conversation. You are why I do what I do. P.S. I'll leave you with a quote by Tolstoy. "'Art is not a handicraft; it is the transmission of feeling the artist has experienced ". How can we transmit these feelings if we don't care about the people we're transmitting it to?
@@ChromaMoma Thank you for your thoughtful response, I probably could have worded my comment in a more precise way. We agree on the goal and virtue that an artist should strive towards. That being *make great art* . And we also probably agree on what *great art* is - work that can neither be created nor appreciated in complete isolation. I assume this because that's what your comment pointed towards - great artists, ones that stood the test of time. Not the most liked and poppular artists (e.g Sakimi.chan). This prevailing assumption about "pure" art that you brought up is honestly not something I've heard of before and I wholeheartedly agree with you that it's flawed. Your response is essentially a defence of the external validation as a motivator because it helps, nay, enables people to *make great art* , with which I agree. And when you think about it, your video isn't actually 5 tips for more likes, it's five tips for making better, more engaging art in your sketchbook, which will, as any other artistic improvement, lead to more likes and better emotional response of the audience. So I'm not attacking your tips, because they serve the virtue that I allign with. Like i said in the first comment, people shouldn't be modifying their art for the SOLE purpose of getting validation. Which the meat of your video is not about. Here is what a "5 TIPS TO GET LIKES" list would actually look like: 1. Do fanart (Anime girls preferably) 2. Copy poppular styles of art (ghibli, disney, valroant etc etc.) 3. Include a bunch of hashtags, tag other artists 4. Post everything to all platforms 5. Grow an audience that expects the same type of content and deliver consistently with minimal experimentation. Right, and doing this would be a vain exercise in vanity, as it does not lead to *great art* . It is your internal compass pointing towards likes and shares and retweets, and if AI art gets more likes than you then honestly what's the point. I'm inclined to believe that you would agree with me so far, because our compasses are pointing towards the same *make great art* goal, and following the list that I made, while giving you more likes, would make someone like you and me probably feel empty, because we only played the algorithm, and not because we stepped closer to achieving greatness. Then what's my problem? Well, I feel like this video's closing statement could be affirming of someone with unsophisticated goals and virtues, ready to sacrafice any and all artistic expression and integrity, whose compass points towards anything that will give them likes and make them feel okay for a little bit, only to grow more hungry for validation when the next time comes. I think that someone might see what you use as fuel(being liked), and conflate it with a goal("When people compliment my art i feel like I'm valuable for once"), which is flawed because it does not adress not help fix the root of the problem, a lack of self esteem. I don't think it's a flaw in a person's character to enjoy getting likes. I too, enjoy when a piece of art does well, the same way I enjoy when someone compliments how i look. But you should never let the chase of said compliments dictate your behaviour, and in the end make you make sacrifices detrimental to your art and mental health. I think this point could be more clear in your video. I hope you feel like I adressed your points and again thanks for the chat!
I was thinking about this too! And people can absolutely want to make videos without being narcissistic or self-centered and just wishing to be seen. Quite the opposite, you can make videos wanting to help others and share solutions that you have found to your own issues and stuff you've learnt! The visual advice given in this video is good, but you can strive for creating visually striking art in a search to create something beautiful, to yourself and chances are, to others, not to attract more likes. Ultimately it overlaps, but the goal is quite different, because in the first option you're creating for your own path regardless of what others' reaction will be. You know full well that a path in art where you rely on recognition for your self-worth isn't healthy in the long run, and so many people lose their spark and passion for this, this isn't very good advice...
@@yan_gunaHe is admitting that what he is doing is wrong and saying he wants to be better but he’s not hurting anyone and he himself even says he is flawed and he wants now except this part of him . Ps please don’t hate on people
If I were to say it would be the opposite problem for me, would that statement be a contradiction? e.x: my drawing skill is better then my self-confidence
As an artist who was drawing exclusively digital for 5 years , and now have been drawing traditionally exclusively I can honestly say. I can feel the physical expression and excitement from real life reaction on my sketchbook than my iPad. It’s just gonna need. You to appreciate your drawings and fill it in a pleasing matter and then you will be seeing more attraction
I’ve been watching your videos for several years now and whenever I see a new video I always want to drop what I’m doing and go do art. Thanks for inspiring me!
I love the way you articulated that bit at the end, its true that art to a degree should be this lethargic almost ritualistic act done between the artist and their soul-but making art can also be equal parts fun as it is spiritual and in the end we all need some reassurance to a degree. We all just wanna feel understood
“The truth” part of the video is EXACTLY the conversation I had with myself when I decided to start posting my art. I kept wondering if making art and posting it was inauthentic, but at the end of the day I make art for myself and enjoy it!! The likes are more so like the extra piece of chicken you find at the bottom of a chipotle bowl, although I enjoyed the whole bowl that last piece and bite is what I felt like I needed but never really wanted or intended. OVERALL love your videos. You are my favorite TH-camr and validate my internal artistic convos every post.
Thanks for saying that it is okay to make things for external validation. We all want to be loved and appreciated for what we can do. It is human nature, but it is awesome to hear this being repeated and put out into the world, that it isn't wrong to want those things.
As a writer, I too find I require external validation. The one great thing about my drawing journey is I'm doing it for myself first, and I don't feel the need to compare myself to others like I do with writing since I'm new and I've been writing for ten years. Funny how comparison is the thief of joy like that.
fantastic video, both thoughtful and interesting, and I loved the pinned conversation at the top of the comments thread. So many things to contemplate with making art! And your style in the sketchbook is pretty unique, but with a touch of things that I think many people find appealing, so it seems like you're being authentic to the goals you set for yourself artistically.
I have math solvings on ny sketchbook. I also note a lot especially terms and ideas i want to incorporate in design class. I like looking at full doodled page too.
So I'm new to drawing and your videos have been my #1 inspiration. I tend to be a perfectionist and I get overwhelmed often but something about your attitude/style of videos is truly comforting. Thank you so much for these videos forreal. Also, I'm curious to know, have you ever thought about getting into filmmaking ?
there is no reason to deny a social animal, a human the right to validation. on the other hand its not right to yourself to put everything into external validation. the answer for all things as it has always been is a soft balance. make art for yourself and show it to others!!!!! fuck yeah!!
we don't all want nice looking sketchbooks. I think they should just be filled with shit without pressure to look nice. trying to make sketchbooks look nice has been incredibly counterproductive to me the point where I stopped skething altogether for a long time because I felt like everything doesn't look good enough.
I recall another artist stating that nice-looking sketchbook art is a form of art itself - but it’s quite different from a sketchbook that has trials and notes and practice scribbles. They went on to state that while nice-looking sketchbooks look very appealing, every artist needs a sketchbook where they can just scribble lines and draw shapes in as it helps practicing or warming up 😄
Loved the part where you said that wanting likes and external validation is also being yourself. You managed to say it in a way that really felt neutral, that you dont have to be ashamed of the more vain parts of you
to be frank- thanks for changing the title. i know it was probably for other reasons, but when i saw this on my feed at first i totally misjudged the tone and assumed sarcasm, like, "oh, he's going to go into some snark mocking people for wanting an aesthetically pleasing sketchbook for validation" (I'm a hobbyist who doesn't even share their art, but i still really like tips like these to make a sketchbook feel "full") I'm glad i didn't miss out! sorry for assuming the worst, its just, you know, the internet these days lol
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You should only do these if you yourself like how the sketchbook looks! Doing this ONLY for external validation will just feed that want inside of you and make you more needy and sensitive to rejection in the long run.
If that is the case, the video is summed up like:
"Here are 5 tips to achieve X outcome. You might be saying: "isn't X outcome empty and superficial?" Yes it is, but I'm a flawed individual and I chase these empty and superficial goals."
And? You don't have to be enlightened to walk away from the instant validation. Don't we, just like we strive to be better artists, also strive to be better individuals?
Three years ago you said "Drawing for likes is a very real problem and trust me, I'm guilty of it too." ("Honesty in Art", Oct 4, 2020)
Now here you are making videos on how to "GET MORE LIKES".
If anyone wants to tell me how I'm wrong about this in the replies I'm down to discuss it.
I think you bring up some great points. There's a prevailing assumption that art created out of self-expression-- immune to extrinsic motivations-- is somehow more "pure" and is therefore better. I would argue that it may be a flawed premise. In fact, some of the greatest art in history were made by the artist for other people. My stance on this is that art made without consideration of the audience is self-serving and of no benefit to anyone but the artist themselves. After all, what is so bad about wanting to make art that makes someone feel a certain way? It comes from a place of generosity and service, as opposed to one of ego.
Perhaps I could've worded it better, but the final point of the video is not meant as a cop out but rather an acknowledgment of the ego. What are we but walking contradictions? That is what it means to be human. To simultaneously hold conflicting ideas in one's head. We can aspire to be free of judgement when making art. And we can also judge ourselves less when we don't.
Thank you for giving me the chance to clarify my thoughts. And thank you for participating in this conversation. You are why I do what I do.
P.S. I'll leave you with a quote by Tolstoy. "'Art is not a handicraft; it is the transmission of feeling the artist has experienced ". How can we transmit these feelings if we don't care about the people we're transmitting it to?
@@ChromaMoma
Thank you for your thoughtful response, I probably could have worded my comment in a more precise way.
We agree on the goal and virtue that an artist should strive towards. That being *make great art* . And we also probably agree on what *great art* is - work that can neither be created nor appreciated in complete isolation. I assume this because that's what your comment pointed towards - great artists, ones that stood the test of time. Not the most liked and poppular artists (e.g Sakimi.chan).
This prevailing assumption about "pure" art that you brought up is honestly not something I've heard of before and I wholeheartedly agree with you that it's flawed.
Your response is essentially a defence of the external validation as a motivator because it helps, nay, enables people to *make great art* , with which I agree.
And when you think about it, your video isn't actually 5 tips for more likes, it's five tips for making better, more engaging art in your sketchbook, which will, as any other artistic improvement, lead to more likes and better emotional response of the audience. So I'm not attacking your tips, because they serve the virtue that I allign with.
Like i said in the first comment, people shouldn't be modifying their art for the SOLE purpose of getting validation. Which the meat of your video is not about.
Here is what a "5 TIPS TO GET LIKES" list would actually look like:
1. Do fanart (Anime girls preferably)
2. Copy poppular styles of art (ghibli, disney, valroant etc etc.)
3. Include a bunch of hashtags, tag other artists
4. Post everything to all platforms
5. Grow an audience that expects the same type of content and deliver consistently with minimal experimentation.
Right, and doing this would be a vain exercise in vanity, as it does not lead to *great art* . It is your internal compass pointing towards likes and shares and retweets, and if AI art gets more likes than you then honestly what's the point. I'm inclined to believe that you would agree with me so far, because our compasses are pointing towards the same *make great art* goal, and following the list that I made, while giving you more likes, would make someone like you and me probably feel empty, because we only played the algorithm, and not because we stepped closer to achieving greatness.
Then what's my problem?
Well, I feel like this video's closing statement could be affirming of someone with unsophisticated goals and virtues, ready to sacrafice any and all artistic expression and integrity, whose compass points towards anything that will give them likes and make them feel okay for a little bit, only to grow more hungry for validation when the next time comes. I think that someone might see what you use as fuel(being liked), and conflate it with a goal("When people compliment my art i feel like I'm valuable for once"), which is flawed because it does not adress not help fix the root of the problem, a lack of self esteem.
I don't think it's a flaw in a person's character to enjoy getting likes. I too, enjoy when a piece of art does well, the same way I enjoy when someone compliments how i look. But you should never let the chase of said compliments dictate your behaviour, and in the end make you make sacrifices detrimental to your art and mental health. I think this point could be more clear in your video.
I hope you feel like I adressed your points and again thanks for the chat!
I was thinking about this too! And people can absolutely want to make videos without being narcissistic or self-centered and just wishing to be seen. Quite the opposite, you can make videos wanting to help others and share solutions that you have found to your own issues and stuff you've learnt!
The visual advice given in this video is good, but you can strive for creating visually striking art in a search to create something beautiful, to yourself and chances are, to others, not to attract more likes. Ultimately it overlaps, but the goal is quite different, because in the first option you're creating for your own path regardless of what others' reaction will be.
You know full well that a path in art where you rely on recognition for your self-worth isn't healthy in the long run, and so many people lose their spark and passion for this, this isn't very good advice...
@@pavcho2211 I like the fact that this is the pinned comment and that it was a civil discussion.
@@yan_gunaHe is admitting that what he is doing is wrong and saying he wants to be better but he’s not hurting anyone and he himself even says he is flawed and he wants now except this part of him . Ps please don’t hate on people
I reserve the right to tell people that I don't need their validation. Then again, my self-confidence is bigger than my actual skill.
If I were to say it would be the opposite problem for me, would that statement be a contradiction?
e.x: my drawing skill is better then my self-confidence
@@theorangeoof926 🤷♂️ You do you.
As an artist who was drawing exclusively digital for 5 years , and now have been drawing traditionally exclusively I can honestly say.
I can feel the physical expression and excitement from real life reaction on my sketchbook than my iPad.
It’s just gonna need. You to appreciate your drawings and fill it in a pleasing matter and then you will be seeing more attraction
I’ve been watching your videos for several years now and whenever I see a new video I always want to drop what I’m doing and go do art. Thanks for inspiring me!
That is awesome!
im the exact same yo
I love the way you articulated that bit at the end, its true that art to a degree should be this lethargic almost ritualistic act done between the artist and their soul-but making art can also be equal parts fun as it is spiritual and in the end we all need some reassurance to a degree. We all just wanna feel understood
“The truth” part of the video is EXACTLY the conversation I had with myself when I decided to start posting my art. I kept wondering if making art and posting it was inauthentic, but at the end of the day I make art for myself and enjoy it!! The likes are more so like the extra piece of chicken you find at the bottom of a chipotle bowl, although I enjoyed the whole bowl that last piece and bite is what I felt like I needed but never really wanted or intended. OVERALL love your videos. You are my favorite TH-camr and validate my internal artistic convos every post.
Love how honest you are. And the sunflowers. I really liked those, too. :)
😊 thank you
having spots of colour and framing are actually great tips! I'm gonna give it a go ❤
Have fun!
Thanks for saying that it is okay to make things for external validation. We all want to be loved and appreciated for what we can do. It is human nature, but it is awesome to hear this being repeated and put out into the world, that it isn't wrong to want those things.
Great video!! Last section is so real for artist/content creators that have to tackle the line between "true" self expression and crowd pleasing.
I really like the last part so much! glad i watch it to the end of the video
This video just feels way to specific and personal. I love it !!
This guy is an inspiration to me
As a writer, I too find I require external validation. The one great thing about my drawing journey is I'm doing it for myself first, and I don't feel the need to compare myself to others like I do with writing since I'm new and I've been writing for ten years. Funny how comparison is the thief of joy like that.
Love that!
2:31 the reason some of my drawings overlap is because i wasn’t paying attention to what’s on the paper and i ended just doodling over the other stuff
The ending was so meta, lmao. "i am being myself, because not being myself is myself". i LOVE IT..
YESSSS NEW VIDEO I HAVE BEEN WAITING YOU REALLY INSPIRE ME BRO LOVE YOUR VIDS
Glad you like them!
fantastic video, both thoughtful and interesting, and I loved the pinned conversation at the top of the comments thread. So many things to contemplate with making art! And your style in the sketchbook is pretty unique, but with a touch of things that I think many people find appealing, so it seems like you're being authentic to the goals you set for yourself artistically.
this is just what i need for inktober thank you very much
Chroma Moma's videos are like going to mcdonalds as a kid . Large Gaps in between , but worth the wait
Wake up babe new Chroma Moma video just dropped
Ugh I loved the wide angle shots!! So weird and entertaining at the same time :)
It's always nice to see your new video, I love your art and the way you talk about it, everytime it just make me wanna draw more, so thank you! :)
I'm so glad!
always love your videos! keep creating this content!
The ending message is really good.
Love the quality of this video! Very enjoyable and aesthetically pleasing for the eye!
really loved the different settings thru out the video!!!! made it a lot cooler and more interesting
Glad you liked it!
Awesome video I really liked the styling with the zoom out shots and amazing drawings as always
Thank you so much 😀
thank you for the video, something I can start incorporating into my work
He's Back !!
Sketchbooks are for me! I forget sometimes, no-ones going to kill me if I make an ugly sketch
Enjoyed the overall composition of the video.. good info too.. thanks
Yesssssss a video 🗣👰🏻♂️😆🙏 you inspired me to start drawing more thanks you
That's awesome!
I have math solvings on ny sketchbook. I also note a lot especially terms and ideas i want to incorporate in design class. I like looking at full doodled page too.
I enjoyed the effort in film-making
Glad you enjoyed it
So I'm new to drawing and your videos have been my #1 inspiration. I tend to be a perfectionist and I get overwhelmed often but something about your attitude/style of videos is truly comforting. Thank you so much for these videos forreal. Also, I'm curious to know, have you ever thought about getting into filmmaking ?
there is no reason to deny a social animal, a human the right to validation. on the other hand its not right to yourself to put everything into external validation. the answer for all things as it has always been is a soft balance. make art for yourself and show it to others!!!!! fuck yeah!!
"you're a good little artist, aren't you?" "*giggle* mmm yes I am!" lmao🤣
Awesome videos dude, so cool.
Hey, thanks!
Hey Chroma Moma, I like you art, you are a good little artist
I like your art
Beautiful 💕
Thank you! 😊
New to the channel. What were those paintings made with? Are there any good guides you could suggest?
It's poster paint. Go check out James Gurney's YT channel for more!
@@ChromaMoma Thanks!
NEW CHROMA MOMA VIDEO
does anyone know the marker used at 4:17?
5:15 what is the name of the pen that is being used in this clip.
what is that pen youre using holy smokes i NEED it
@Chroma Moma homie where can i cop the bag fr 0:01
Thanks for this vidéo incredible
Glad you liked it!
can i ask what markers you use ?
Aaah you got me.
Someone please tell me what that aqua green felt marker is? What brand?
can we just take a moment to look at momas fore arms and hands like GODDAMN
Where do you Get your reference images From?
Really cool video ;)
Amazing video love the video style you the Asian bob Ross
what pen are you using?
I gotta know were you got the mint highlighter at 5:29 from I've been looking for a good one omg.
Stabilo and frixion make good ones, i love them!
It's a highlighter from Stabilo :)
Step 1: have good confidence at posting your drawing
we don't all want nice looking sketchbooks. I think they should just be filled with shit without pressure to look nice. trying to make sketchbooks look nice has been incredibly counterproductive to me the point where I stopped skething altogether for a long time because I felt like everything doesn't look good enough.
I recall another artist stating that nice-looking sketchbook art is a form of art itself - but it’s quite different from a sketchbook that has trials and notes and practice scribbles. They went on to state that while nice-looking sketchbooks look very appealing, every artist needs a sketchbook where they can just scribble lines and draw shapes in as it helps practicing or warming up 😄
s w e e t s ke t ch t i m e
Lol I love you
So what do you do in your *real* sketchbook? 🤣
You'll never know
Loved the part where you said that wanting likes and external validation is also being yourself. You managed to say it in a way that really felt neutral, that you dont have to be ashamed of the more vain parts of you
to be frank- thanks for changing the title.
i know it was probably for other reasons, but when i saw this on my feed at first i totally misjudged the tone and assumed sarcasm, like, "oh, he's going to go into some snark mocking people for wanting an aesthetically pleasing sketchbook for validation" (I'm a hobbyist who doesn't even share their art, but i still really like tips like these to make a sketchbook feel "full")
I'm glad i didn't miss out! sorry for assuming the worst, its just, you know, the internet these days lol
Hey bro! Would you mind saying what that pen you used that the beginning of the video was? Loved the vid btw!