11:11 “ A lot of these young kids who go to gangs are looking for a sense of belonging, a sense of family, meaning…” This is the same reason many boys and young men became Neo-Nazi Skinheads back in the day and why many are seduced by White Supremacy now. I work with an ex-Neo Nazi. He was looking for somewhere to belong. That was the attraction.
I first saw this movie as a teenager in the 90s. Watched it a few times since. The understanding of the characters is growing on me every time I watch it. I think I'll be ready to read the book by the time I retire.
I'm with you there. That's why I think it's such a powerful movie. So many people are able to relate, even with the worst parts. Thanks for sharing FB 🤙🏽
Appreciate it, man! I made another video specifically talking about masculinity, but it got hit with a complaint, so in dispute now. It will go back up once the dispute is over so keep an eye out
There were a few guys at the schools I went to in the North Island that idolised Jake. They were all Maori, too. None really in the South Island funny enough. I think Jake becomes a role model for those who have a lack of them in real life. At the start of the movie, he comes across as the man, but after the eggs scene, you see more of who he is. Most of those kids that grew up looking up to his character only chose to see the Jake that stood up to that guy in the bar and smashed uncle bully, and over look the rest.
Stumble upon this video while randomly watching some OWW scenes. Well done man, enjoyed listening to you speak. Subbed and look forward to checking out you other videos. Nice work. Chur!
I strongly agree, exactly!! Same problems on the Rez here in the states with us natives. Movie hits home for us and all the relatives from the islands amazons to the plains to the Arctic
1:54: Nice touch; I could see a Star Wars work where we see a clone living on the lower Coruscant levels who has the personality of Jake, and it would kind of a nice homage to Morrison from this movie, as it were
Completely agree. That's a great concept for a clone for a bounty hunter based Star Wars series or movie. I feel like it was a missed opportunity to have Bobba Fett more like Jake, more calm and collected, but just as ruthless. Too bad Lucasfilms as is will never go that route
@@MindCultureF2VThough given how brutal and violent Jake is in OWW, this is probably a good thing; also, Rena Owen was Taun We, a Kaminoan who worked at the facility that cloned Jango Fett, so in this film, Jango abused Taun We
Im pakeha from a Scottish Irish heratige. However I relate to this movie as I have experienced very similar things in my youth. I think the reason why this movie is so popular is probably just because it’s hectic as fuck, but I relate a lot to it personally. Even though I’m not moari and have no Māori blood. I think it highlights a problem with kiwi family culture in general, in fact across the world it seems that family violence is worst in rural areas.
100% agree. It brought topics like domestic violence, substance abuse and the impacts poverty have in NZ to the forefront, which other people from around the world could relate to if thats their lived experience. Definitely a cultural issue that extends further than just geographical area or race. Violence doesn't discriminate, if we are lucky we never get to experience it in the home, but a lot of us weren't/aren't so lucky. Appreciate you sharing your thoughts and experiences bro! I made a follow up on the sequel if you want to check it out 🤙🏽 a lot of people didn't realise there was one haha
It is good to have the capability to be dangerous but choose not to be to have it under control. It's better then being harmless. I was once harmless because as a child it was drilled into me at a catholic school to be meek and turn the other cheek. But fortunately as a man i made myself dangerous through training and discipline. I can become a monster when it is needed but only when it is needed. Harmless men are useless and good for nothing, dangerous men who have themselves under control are the best men to have in society.
Couldn't agree more! Harmless men are far more likely to resort to gun violence than take a hiding or an L. Glad to hear you got into training and now have the right mindset bro! Our upbringing can dictate alot of things so I'm glad you were able to break the cycle
Being able to summon your inner Jake the Muss in the RIGHT situation directed at the right people is extremely useful! and there's been many situations where as a meek Ned Flanders type individual I wished I could walk into a room and be Jack the Muss for 5 minutes!.......but you gotta be able to turn it off!....Jake often directed it at the wrong people! I.E) his family!
Well said! There's going to be times when you need to be a savage, but as you say, you need to know how to turn it off. I think the bar fight from the sequeal is a good example. When his mate is like "leave it man, all they are doing is looking at you" that's a clear sign of someone who hasn't turned off the savage for a long time. Appreciate the comment and insight 🤙🏽
@@MindCultureF2V Thank you so much!.......I do relate a lot to the bar fight scene in the sequel, where I've wanted to do that! because all my life I've let people get away with things, to the point somebody just looking at me becomes one more situation where I felt weak due to someone feeling safe eyeballing me like I'm nothing to worry about!......so in a way I'm kinda the opposite extreme of Jake, but inside wish I could be a bit like him in the right situation.
That's a great reflection, man! People are always told that the bigger man walks away, and in most cases, it's true, but they undermine the repercussions of doing so. A lot of people I've worked with carry a lot of regret and shame from not doing something in those situations. One thing I encourage is to simply stand your ground. Doesn't matter your size, or if you know how to fight, it doesn't even have to turn into a fight. Most people get intimidated by confidence alone, so it does reduce the chances of conflict. But stand your ground and stand with conviction because the alternative can be more damaging than just taking a hiding. It's always easier said than done though.
@@MindCultureF2V Great advise! and you are right! sometimes confidence alone is enough!.......it's being able to find it in the moment that is the challenge.
100%. It holds up still to this day. I'm not sure if I can say the same about Whale Rider. I was thinking about doing a retrospective video on it so I appreciate the reminder 💯chur
chur bro! I know the feeling man. I'm in Aus too at least we are close enough to go back. Plus everyone is moving over here too so get the whānau to do the same haha. Thanks for commenting bro. Mauri ora!
If I understood right Jake was NOT a Maori. He was of mixed race and therefore not accepted as a proper suiter for Beth. That's why he had such a resentment against the traditional Maori. Correct me if I'm wrong. I watched the movie in German and maybe something got lost in translation.
You are correct! Though Jake is Maori, but he was descended from slaves. Whereas Beth's character came from a noble Maori lineage. A Maori take on Romeo and Juliet. I wish I covered this in the video because, as you say, is a massive contributor to his resentment. He wasn't just angry or resentful, he was also ungrounded. Having chips on both shoulders. It's such an important concept. I'll try highlight it in the follow up video on the sequel. Thanks again Olivia 💯
@@MindCultureF2V thanks for the clarification regarding lineage. It's long ago that I watched the movie. But yes, his resentment is an important detail. A pleasure to help. Pura Vida from Costa Rica!
@@hmth86 Intertribal slavery. Māori would gain slaves through intertribal warfare, which Jakes line is apparently descended from. Whereas Beth is considered high born.
Try growing up with that guy as your dad and I don't mean temaura Morrison I mean my dad was jake heke luckily my dad died when i was eleven and my mom said to my dad if you touch are son I will kill you my dad said when I was born I brought him in to this world I can take him out of it my dad used to work for people and killed others for the people he worked for and my dads perants abused the shit out of him and my dad was also homeless at a really young age my dad loved fighting mainly men for any reason he could find a reason to fight he would fight I try my best not to end up anything like my dad but it's hard when your poor and other people want to fight you for what you have but I do therapy lots of therapy
Appreciate you sharing your experiences bro. My dad was the similar to Jake as well, always down for a scrap and solving problems with his fist. Its definitely a struggle controlling the drive to fight, especially when it tends to be the easiest way to deal with our problems. Glad you acknowledge it and manage it bro! Kia Kaha - keep it up and keep going 💯🍻
Check out part 2 of Jake's Arc in "What Becomes of the Broken Hearted": th-cam.com/video/uSVf3ohkAFA/w-d-xo.html
30 years later Jake the Muss still freaks the s#$% out of me. Real life monster.
Same here. Temuwera Morrison did a great job, still holds up today!
11:11 “ A lot of these young kids who go to gangs are looking for a sense of belonging, a sense of family, meaning…”
This is the same reason many boys and young men became Neo-Nazi Skinheads back in the day and why many are seduced by White Supremacy now.
I work with an ex-Neo Nazi. He was looking for somewhere to belong. That was the attraction.
Jake‘s redemption in the sequel was beautiful to witness
I first saw this movie as a teenager in the 90s. Watched it a few times since. The understanding of the characters is growing on me every time I watch it. I think I'll be ready to read the book by the time I retire.
It's amazing that it still holds up today, in both its relevance in the culture and cinematically. Classic movie and brilliant acting 👌
When I first swa this movie, in 97 it made me cry. In 2004 it made me cry again. It just reached to close to home after all those years.
I'm with you there. That's why I think it's such a powerful movie. So many people are able to relate, even with the worst parts. Thanks for sharing FB 🤙🏽
Great video man, the best view I have heard articulated on modern masculinity
Appreciate it, man! I made another video specifically talking about masculinity, but it got hit with a complaint, so in dispute now. It will go back up once the dispute is over so keep an eye out
Your doing important work..🙏
Appreciate the feedback 💯
Uncle Bulli got what he needed .... watch the next movie/ what comes from the broken .
Agreed! Seen it too, classic kiwi films
The fear and hilarity I felt when Boba’s theme played when Jake turned around is so damn good
Haha I thought so too! I still think it would have been cool to have gotten a Boba Fett more like Jake's character
That struck something with me. I remember when I was at school, there was this one guy who seemed to make trying to be like Jake his whole identity.
There were a few guys at the schools I went to in the North Island that idolised Jake. They were all Maori, too. None really in the South Island funny enough. I think Jake becomes a role model for those who have a lack of them in real life. At the start of the movie, he comes across as the man, but after the eggs scene, you see more of who he is. Most of those kids that grew up looking up to his character only chose to see the Jake that stood up to that guy in the bar and smashed uncle bully, and over look the rest.
Everyone wanted to be Jake when I was at school
One of New Zealands best films. Its extremely well made . I still own it on dvd .
Completely agree. It's a classic that still hold up today
U are saying good words . Sometimes not as easy
But good words .
Its always easier said than done. If the path to being better was easy, then everyone would be.
Mate, you've made me want to go watch the film again… thank you
Glad to hear it! They've remastered it so it looks damn good for an old classic
Stumble upon this video while randomly watching some OWW scenes. Well done man, enjoyed listening to you speak. Subbed and look forward to checking out you other videos. Nice work. Chur!
Chur bro! Appreciate the feedback man and welcome to the team 🤙🏽
Thank you for sharing this
Anytime! Will hopefully be uploading again soon so hope you around!
Powerful film. great topic to cover fam. chur brada
100%. Much appreciated bro 💯
I strongly agree, exactly!! Same problems on the Rez here in the states with us natives. Movie hits home for us and all the relatives from the islands amazons to the plains to the Arctic
Never knew about this film looks like a good movie. Good job on your review would love to see you review mad max .
Appreciate it man! I'll add Mad Max to the to do list 🤙🏽
Nicely put together video mate. Brilliant movie!
Cheers brother! It's a classic 💯
1:54: Nice touch; I could see a Star Wars work where we see a clone living on the lower Coruscant levels who has the personality of Jake, and it would kind of a nice homage to Morrison from this movie, as it were
Completely agree. That's a great concept for a clone for a bounty hunter based Star Wars series or movie. I feel like it was a missed opportunity to have Bobba Fett more like Jake, more calm and collected, but just as ruthless. Too bad Lucasfilms as is will never go that route
@@MindCultureF2VThough given how brutal and violent Jake is in OWW, this is probably a good thing; also, Rena Owen was Taun We, a Kaminoan who worked at the facility that cloned Jango Fett, so in this film, Jango abused Taun We
Look for the 3rd in the series, (it’s a book) Jake’s Long Shadow
I heard there was a 3rd book, I'll check it out. Appreciate it bro!
Brilliant insight
Appreciate it!
Im pakeha from a Scottish Irish heratige. However I relate to this movie as I have experienced very similar things in my youth. I think the reason why this movie is so popular is probably just because it’s hectic as fuck, but I relate a lot to it personally. Even though I’m not moari and have no Māori blood. I think it highlights a problem with kiwi family culture in general, in fact across the world it seems that family violence is worst in rural areas.
100% agree. It brought topics like domestic violence, substance abuse and the impacts poverty have in NZ to the forefront, which other people from around the world could relate to if thats their lived experience. Definitely a cultural issue that extends further than just geographical area or race. Violence doesn't discriminate, if we are lucky we never get to experience it in the home, but a lot of us weren't/aren't so lucky. Appreciate you sharing your thoughts and experiences bro! I made a follow up on the sequel if you want to check it out 🤙🏽 a lot of people didn't realise there was one haha
It is good to have the capability to be dangerous but choose not to be to have it under control. It's better then being harmless. I was once harmless because as a child it was drilled into me at a catholic school to be meek and turn the other cheek. But fortunately as a man i made myself dangerous through training and discipline. I can become a monster when it is needed but only when it is needed.
Harmless men are useless and good for nothing, dangerous men who have themselves under control are the best men to have in society.
Couldn't agree more! Harmless men are far more likely to resort to gun violence than take a hiding or an L.
Glad to hear you got into training and now have the right mindset bro! Our upbringing can dictate alot of things so I'm glad you were able to break the cycle
Can we have more videos on once were warriors?
Will do bro! I'll add it to the list 🤙🏽
Being able to summon your inner Jake the Muss in the RIGHT situation directed at the right people is extremely useful! and there's been many situations where as a meek Ned Flanders type individual I wished I could walk into a room and be Jack the Muss for 5 minutes!.......but you gotta be able to turn it off!....Jake often directed it at the wrong people! I.E) his family!
Well said! There's going to be times when you need to be a savage, but as you say, you need to know how to turn it off. I think the bar fight from the sequeal is a good example. When his mate is like "leave it man, all they are doing is looking at you" that's a clear sign of someone who hasn't turned off the savage for a long time. Appreciate the comment and insight 🤙🏽
@@MindCultureF2V Thank you so much!.......I do relate a lot to the bar fight scene in the sequel, where I've wanted to do that! because all my life I've let people get away with things, to the point somebody just looking at me becomes one more situation where I felt weak due to someone feeling safe eyeballing me like I'm nothing to worry about!......so in a way I'm kinda the opposite extreme of Jake, but inside wish I could be a bit like him in the right situation.
That's a great reflection, man! People are always told that the bigger man walks away, and in most cases, it's true, but they undermine the repercussions of doing so. A lot of people I've worked with carry a lot of regret and shame from not doing something in those situations. One thing I encourage is to simply stand your ground. Doesn't matter your size, or if you know how to fight, it doesn't even have to turn into a fight. Most people get intimidated by confidence alone, so it does reduce the chances of conflict. But stand your ground and stand with conviction because the alternative can be more damaging than just taking a hiding. It's always easier said than done though.
@@MindCultureF2V Great advise! and you are right! sometimes confidence alone is enough!.......it's being able to find it in the moment that is the challenge.
I'm maori and don't get me wrong i love whale rider with all my heart, but once were warriors should've been oscar nominated instead
100%. It holds up still to this day. I'm not sure if I can say the same about Whale Rider. I was thinking about doing a retrospective video on it so I appreciate the reminder 💯chur
Chea bro... this video took me home.. you still in Aotearoa g?... I'm in Aus now but really missing home recently ae
chur bro! I know the feeling man. I'm in Aus too at least we are close enough to go back. Plus everyone is moving over here too so get the whānau to do the same haha. Thanks for commenting bro. Mauri ora!
great movie, but never been able to tell if its a romantic comedy or a drama
Hahaha I know man, after watching it so many times the lines start to blur a bit
If I understood right Jake was NOT a Maori. He was of mixed race and therefore not accepted as a proper suiter for Beth. That's why he had such a resentment against the traditional Maori. Correct me if I'm wrong. I watched the movie in German and maybe something got lost in translation.
You are correct! Though Jake is Maori, but he was descended from slaves. Whereas Beth's character came from a noble Maori lineage. A Maori take on Romeo and Juliet. I wish I covered this in the video because, as you say, is a massive contributor to his resentment. He wasn't just angry or resentful, he was also ungrounded. Having chips on both shoulders. It's such an important concept. I'll try highlight it in the follow up video on the sequel. Thanks again Olivia 💯
@@MindCultureF2V thanks for the clarification regarding lineage. It's long ago that I watched the movie. But yes, his resentment is an important detail. A pleasure to help. Pura Vida from Costa Rica!
@@MindCultureF2Vwhat race of slaves would he have been descended from? I didn’t realise New Zealand had slaves.
@@hmth86 Intertribal slavery. Māori would gain slaves through intertribal warfare, which Jakes line is apparently descended from. Whereas Beth is considered high born.
Try growing up with that guy as your dad and I don't mean temaura Morrison I mean my dad was jake heke luckily my dad died when i was eleven and my mom said to my dad if you touch are son I will kill you my dad said when I was born I brought him in to this world I can take him out of it my dad used to work for people and killed others for the people he worked for and my dads perants abused the shit out of him and my dad was also homeless at a really young age my dad loved fighting mainly men for any reason he could find a reason to fight he would fight I try my best not to end up anything like my dad but it's hard when your poor and other people want to fight you for what you have but I do therapy lots of therapy
Appreciate you sharing your experiences bro. My dad was the similar to Jake as well, always down for a scrap and solving problems with his fist. Its definitely a struggle controlling the drive to fight, especially when it tends to be the easiest way to deal with our problems. Glad you acknowledge it and manage it bro! Kia Kaha - keep it up and keep going 💯🍻
Such uncivilized behavior
Here comes the Pakeha 😂