In fairness, Nintendo is incredibly inconsistent about this. They've flip-flopped between modern DK being the original (this is usually done in games where he's alongside Mario), being the son of the original (well, I think only Rare has stated this, and only in DK64), or being the grandson of the original.
@@wobblesama6014 In Donkey Kong Country Cranky says: Who i was Young i have kidnapped beautiful Woman climpe up Buildings and throw barrels at plumbers.
TARTAR BOI no this comment is wrong. Diddy is from another family of monkeys or gorillas or whatever. The donkey Kong jr from the arcade game and super Mario kart is the modern donkey Kong. The family tree is complicated.
I remember him being in Mario Tennis for the N64. I loved that game. I never seemed to be able to unlock Donkey Kong Jr. but I remember going into a tournament, and he was one of the opponents. I was like "that ain't diddy, that ain't donkey, who the hell is that"
Diddy Kong was originally going to be DK Jr but Nintendo thought Rare's design was too different so they asked them to change it to look more like his classic design or keep the design as a new character with Rare choosing the latter.
A few missing details: DK Jr was supposed to be in DKC1, but Rare's redesign was so drastic that Nintendo made them turn this design into a new character, Diddy Kong. Also, DK Jr. was a Mystery Mushroom costume in Mario Maker 1.
Didn't know this. Honestly, I'd have preferred they just say Diddy Kong is DK Jr. It's weird that we haven't seen DK Jr in any of the main Donkey Kong games, and now Nintendo are the ones responsible for Diddy becoming more widely known than their own creation. They should retcon it and say Diddy Kong was the one that starred in DK Jr, just like Jumpman is now called Mario. King Koopa is now Bowser, Princess Toadstool now Peach. They've changed names many times, DK Jr can now be Diddy Kong. And he wasn't really DK's son. That was never outright stated within the games anyway, so it's fine.
Rare flip flopped on it a bunch of times but I believe that Nintendo's current story is that the current DK is the _son_ of DK Jr., and that Cranky Kong/Original DK is the grandfather of current DK. It's all a bit of a confusing mess though, if you ask me haha
Yes, that is indeed correct. The DK Jr. from the 80's is DK from the 90's (and later) and the original DK is Crancy. Play DKC1 again and you'll read it everywhere in Cranky's lines.
@@petervandebeek5980 its been retconned. Even in the manual for Donkey Kong Country, it says Cranky is Donkey Kongs father. But somewhere along the line Rare retconned it so Cranky is now Donkey Kong's grandpa
Clearly, Mario must've still been salty after being defeated by Donkey Kong Jr, so when he joined Mario Kart, Mario saw it as a chance to get rid of him
both a blessing and a curse I'm surprised they've added somany reskins of characters and haven't added classic veterans of Mario Kart like WIGGLER or QUEEN BEE
Found this channel few days ago and already seen almost all videos. I learn a lot of cool stuff from then and they are very well researched. Already one of the best channels i discovered in 2019
According to the Kong family tree, Donkey Kong Jr. is actually Donkey Kong’s father. The original Donkey Kong is Cranky Kong, who is Donkey Kong’s grandfather, thus showing that his father must’ve been Donkey Kong Jr.
The OG DK is Cranky Kong, DKJR is his son and (New)DK is his grandson. And Baby DK from Super Sluggers and Yoshi's Island DS is the (New) DK when he was a baby. And since baby Mario is racing with his future self (Ala Partners in Time), it isn't strange for DKJR to appear in the future to see the races.
@@DiagonalTanooki Oh holy you are right, I mean I commented that comment around ten months ago and I did forget to mention Donkey Kong Jr. (SNES) as well, but thanks for replying Diagonal Mario as at least DK Jr. (SNES) gets mentioned here! I'm still hoping for 3D model of DK Jr. to finally appear in Mario Kart Tour, future new Super Mario games, new Donkey Kong games, and more on soon in the future as well!
Going through the comments I've had to realise that Donkey Kong has an extensive lore to its games on par with Dark Souls series. Damn Nintendo... just sneaking this stuff in. First with the Kirby games being super freaking dark... now with extensive Donkey Kong lore.
You no got me questioning every character’s background that I watch! Funny, interesting and a little sad. Apparently Goofy had a wife, but she passed away do to untold circumstances. Thank you! Love your videos by the way!
Correction, corrections, dodododo: The DK we've had in MK64 onward (technically DKC 1 onward) is actually the DK from Donkey Kong Country and not the OG DK, that DK we have in this modern era is the son of DK Jr, and the grandson of the original DK, who is now: Cranky Kong. So really, DK Jr is rooting for his son after time traveling into the future.
YES! Thank you! A small fun fact for another who knows the truth, modern DK's full name is Donkey Kong Jr. II. This can be found in Donkey Kong Jr. Math.
Wouldn't DK Junior be the present Donkey Kong we know nowadays? *EDIT #1-* I could swear that it was already established with the SNES game that Cranky Kong would be the old school Donkey Kong. *EDIT #2-* It seems that Nintendo hasn't officially cleared up if the present DK is Cranky's son or grandson. Should have started with such important clarification in the video.
DK Jr. is Cranky's son. Cranky is the original DK. The modern DK, however, is Cranky's grandson, not his son, which means that modern DK is Donkey Kong Jr. II from Donkey Kong Jr. Math
The primary debate on the topic comes from "Is the modern Donkey Kong the son or the grandson of Cranky Kong?" Some games, like the Donkey Kong Country games and others refer to DK as Cranky's grandson. Notably, DK64 refers to him as Cranky's son. Some games, like Mario Superstar Baseball and Brawl refer to him as Cranky's descendant (or, more specifically, refer to Cranky as DK's ancestor). Nintendo really hasn't helped the debate any, as thev're been quite inconsistent on the topic, themselves. The Mario vs. Donkey Kong series acts as though modern DK has always been the DK of the 1981 classic, for example. It's a huge mess, and we've never really received any definitive, official answer that puts the debate to rest and clarifies all the inconsistencies and contradictions. Of course, since these are games primarily aimed at children to enjoy, we can't really expect the company to put much stock into the lore and consistency, since children generally don't care enough about such matters to dwell on, much less debate, them, they way we older fans seeking to make things make more sense do.
I'm done He’s a common enemy you can encounter/fight in the later portions of Super Mario RPG. Basically imagine the DKC DK model, but instead of a tie he has metal constraints. donkeykong.fandom.com/wiki/Chained_Kong
It appears to be a bit more complicated. The Donkey Kong we know now, from Donkey Kong Country onwards is actually Donkey Kong the 3rd, as he is the grandson of Cranky Kong, the original Donkey Kong. This means that Junior is actually cheering on his son. There are several theories as to what happened to him. One being that he died, leaving Cranky to raise the modern Donkey Kong. However, it could be that they thought it was too confusing to have Donkey Kong's dad be referred to as Junior. There was a mysterious character called Fedora Kong that was going to be in Country but was left out. Some believe that this is the grown up Junior. I've personally developed my own theory. Look at what he's wearing...a leotard. What if Junior was a gymnast? This would also explain as to why he was home schooled in Donkey Kong Junior Maths. Instead of following in the family business, he got a scholarship to some fancy college with a strong gymnastics program and is now a successful gymnastics coach, perhaps at his old college. This would explain his absence and why DK3 was raised by his grandparents as Junior was busy with his gymnastics career, maybe he even competed at the Olympics or whatever the Kong equivalent might be. This would also explain why his most recent appearances have been sports based. He does love his son, but he was away a lot and his skill set doesn't fit with the family's adventuring.
I think it's pretty simple, the Donkey Kong Country series didn't exist yet when Super Mario Kart was in development and before those games happened Donkey Kong characters never left the arcade and therefore Donkey Kong wasn't part of the main Mario cast yet. Adding Donkey Kong Jr. to the game was nothing more than a retro throwback in 1992 people probably got about the same feeling back in the day as people got when characters like the Ice Climbers or the Duck Hunt Duo were added to Smash Bros Maybe it's hard to imagine, but Donkey Kong and Donkey Kong Jr. were on the same level during Super Mario Kart's development, and DK Jr. was probably chosen because he was more relevant as his game was newer (and just like Miyamoto stated, it was his 10th anniversary)
As someone whose favorite part of Nintendo EVER is Donkey Kong Jr. I appreciate your making this video and giving spotlight to my favorite underrated and forgotten character ever so much! When I found out years ago that DK Jr. was going to be in Double Dash but got replaced, I was absolutely livid initially. I don't have anything against Diddy and I adore him immensely, but finding out that my favorite part of Nintendo's history almost made it into my favorite game of the decade was like a banana slamma to the face. Also, if I wasn't already subscribed, your coughing over the abominations that are MORE worthless derivatives of Mario and Peach at the beginning of the video definitely would have caused me to subscribe, lol.
DK Jr. being left out by nintendo pisses me off more than any other forgotten Mario character. While characters like waluigi are at least consistent in spin off appearances, characters like birdo and spike are included in the games sparingly but still being used over the years, Pauline and King K Rool finally coming back into relevancy after many years of rarely appearing and characters like Wart and Geno who while it would be cool to see them return were only used once or twice so they're kinda not as close to us as other Mario characters. DK Jr was the only one who was just left out by Nintendo in the rain right after he had gotten his chance like wtf they actually went out of their way to remove him from double dash. And don't give me that DK jr is modern DK so he can't be in the games with him bullshit cause baby characters like baby mario appear alongside their adult counterparts in spin off games all the time. I don't hate Diddy though but he just doesn't cut it for me. He seems too cool and hip whereas DK Jr appears to be a more playful and cute child gorilla
The guy says 'darling' too much, and I know that for a fact because where he's from here in England, people don’t say that so much... he’s sing a stereotype to boost his popularity...
Diddy Kong didn't just replace DK Jr. in Mario Kart: Double Dash, but in Donkey Kong Country as well. Diddy was initially meant to just be Rare's redesign for Jr., but Nintendo didn't like how different he looked, and told them they had to either keep the original design, or just make the redesign a new character entirely, to which they did the latter. The modern-day Donkey Kong introduced in DKC is actually DK Jr.'s son, with the original Donkey Kong from the arcade game now being known as the elderly Cranky Kong.
there is a theory that donkey kong jr is fedora kong. people say that donkey kong jr died in the banana wars and this theory states that donkey kong jr went into hiding and didn't actually die and now wears a fedora. this is because a fedora symbolizes father hood which would explain donkey kong jr being the donkey kong nows father.
Correction: Many times, you say that the Donkey Kong in Mario Kart is DK Junior's father. In reality, this Donkey Kong appears to be the same from Donkey Kong Country, which is Donkey Kong the Third. As Cranky Kong is the original Donkey Kong, and thus DK Junior's father. DK Junior is the father of Donkey Kong the Third, it seems. And while Cranky Kong did wear a tie in Donkey Kong for the gameboy, he still looked different than the modern day Donkey Kong.
Jacques Offah there is no proof that Jr. (II) from math is Donkey Kong the Third. Junior (II) looks nothing like DKIII and is actually identical in appearance to Jr., aside from his pink colouration.
I knew about DK Jr because theres a local arcade that has it on one of those 10 in 1 machines. Also Billy Mitchell and his "legit" swapping of the Donkey Kong and Donkey King Jr arcade boards
If I'm not mistaken, the donkey Kong from the arcades is actually Cranky Kong in modern games, and the character we know as Donkey Kong is Donkey Kong III
I wonder if DK Junior pulled a Turbo like in Wreck it Ralph, and when his arcade machine was getting unplugged he jumped in Mario Kart . And then when he wanted some more action, he jumped into Mario Kart Double Dash, that’s when he realized he wasn’t in the roster so he got a foam cutout of himself, put it in the crowd. Then he reprogrammed himself to look like diddy kong, and ripped apart the og diddy kongs game files and made him a glitch.
I was really hoping for kiddy kong when i clicked. DKC 3 is and probably always will be #1 on my top video games of all time, just above 2 and 1. Kiddy needs some love with his little pajama feet hanging off.
Wait, wasn't the original DK now cranky kong, and DK jr is the father of the modern DK? so there are three totals Donkey kongs, Don't remember where i heard that though.
This is the truth! Do not listen to the lies! I shall share a fun fact with you, The modern DK's full name is 'Donkey Kong Jr. II' which can be found in Donkey Kong Jr. Math
While that would be cool... I think it's about time for Falcon to make an appearance (I mean, they stole his vehicle and tracks design and add LINK as a playable character? It's just unfair)
The effort put in to find a crumb of evidence that DK jr still existed made me chuckle. Like seriously scuba through beta, or zooming in on fans in a stadium on a version of Mario kart lol
Hold up Wasnt cranky kong implied to be the original arcade donkey kong That would make DK Jr. the father of the DK we know and love Why is he still small whenever we see him in the same game as DK
True, the modern DK is Cranky's grandson, not his son, (which means that modern DK is Donkey Kong Jr. II from Donkey Kong Jr. Math, but that's off topic.) My explanation to that would be that the baby Mario bros. get to exist with their older selves, so DK gets to hang out with his younger dad.
I was always under the impression that current DK is DK Jr, and the Kranky Kong is OG DK. In Donkey Kong Country for the SNES Kranky is seen in the opening playing the original DK arcade theme on a phonograph while standing on the iconic red I-beams. Then a younger more hip DK jumps down and starts playing hip-hop version of the theme on a boombox. I mean the Mario (Jumpman) from the original DK game is supposed to be a different Mario. Maybe I am totally wrong though, because that would make it kind of creepy that Mario is hanging around his father's previous fling in Odyssey and that DS game with the mini mechanical Marios.
That opening in DKC with Original DK (Cranky) is actually meant to signify that Modern DK and DK Jr. are separate characters (this is canon as the DKC manual states that Modern DK is new character). Nintendo officially stated that Mario and Jumpman are the same character.
Here's the thing though. The Original DK from the arcade game is canonically proven to be Cranky Kong in the DKC Series. The DK we play as in DKC and Mario Kart and other Mario spinoffs is Cranky's Grandson. Donkey Kong Jr. is actually DKC Donkey Kong's father, not him.
The Dk - Dk Jr snafu has already been pointed out but I think for SMK, Nintendo chose Jr. as Donkey Kong himself wasn't exactly "popular" until the release of DKC two years later. Jr. was really the only other DK protagonist outside of Mario at the time who is obviously the overall series namesake.
"Did you ever hear of the tragedy of Donkey Kong Jr.?" "No." "I thought not. It is not a story Nintendo would tell you. It is a forgotten Nintendo character. He was the son of Donkey Kong,so forgotten and so unknown,almost nobody remembers him. He was so forgotten,even Nintendo doesn't bring him up." "He is not being brought up?" "The theme of the arcade game is a pathway to many issues some consider infamous." "What happened to him?" "He was so infamous,the only thing he feared was being forgotten,which eventually he was. Unfortunately,he stopped properly appearing in games,and,one year,everybody forgot him." "How can we learn to keep a character famous?" "Not from Donkey Kong Jr."
I knew DK Jr. from his game(A sequel to DK) and I knew he got replaced by Diddy Kong. He is also in Mario Kart Tour(Mario Kart for Mobile from 2019) and his in his NES Mario Kart style. Mario in DK and DK Jr. used to be called Jump Man. Super Mario Bros. Was a sequel to Mario Bros.
Okay I am writing this before the video starts, here are my guesses of who it is: - Lanky Kong - Chunky Kong - Donkey Kong Jr. Written after the video: okay I guessed it. And as of right now, DK Jr. is a playable character in MarioKart Tour for a limited time.
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Thomas Game Docs ok
Thomas Game Docs if you don’t follow on twitter you will become the forgotten Kong!
W... what if I don’t have twitter?
It's Kitty time to install
Modern dk isn’t the old dk the old dk is cranky and the modern one is his grandson
He has no style, he has no grace
I didn't know who he was in the first place
joshy the scrub he can inflate just like a balloon
@@ghostly-toaster3766 this unknown kong just digs his tune
shouldn't have commented that but keeping it anyways
He has no style, he has no grace
This Kong was a big mistake
@@ramsbottom4745 he has no style, he has no FACE
This kong, is a big disgrace
_Calls Modern DK Junior's father_
*DKC FANS SCREAM*
picklejuice ikr, I like Thomas’ channel but he missed out on some crucial research
@@Stratilex yep, that's really uncharacteristic of him.
Dk jr is modern dk right?
@@alexasbagel Cranky Kong says he is the original arcade DK, and the current one is his grandson. That makes Jr the current one's father.
In fairness, Nintendo is incredibly inconsistent about this. They've flip-flopped between modern DK being the original (this is usually done in games where he's alongside Mario), being the son of the original (well, I think only Rare has stated this, and only in DK64), or being the grandson of the original.
The modern Donkey Kong is actually Donkey Kong III, son of Donkey Kong Jr.
Silent Death people say that donkey kong jr is our modern donkey kong and cranky was the og one against mario
i can believe that honestly
It is, because the of donkey Kong country has cranky on the og donkey Kong stage
@@wobblesama6014 In Donkey Kong Country Cranky says: Who i was Young i have kidnapped beautiful Woman climpe up Buildings and throw barrels at plumbers.
So DK Jr Is Diddy Kong and Dixie kong’s grandpa, right ?
TARTAR BOI no this comment is wrong. Diddy is from another family of monkeys or gorillas or whatever. The donkey Kong jr from the arcade game and super Mario kart is the modern donkey Kong. The family tree is complicated.
I remember him being in Mario Tennis for the N64. I loved that game. I never seemed to be able to unlock Donkey Kong Jr. but I remember going into a tournament, and he was one of the opponents. I was like "that ain't diddy, that ain't donkey, who the hell is that"
That's dks dad
Diddy Kong was originally going to be DK Jr but Nintendo thought Rare's design was too different so they asked them to change it to look more like his classic design or keep the design as a new character with Rare choosing the latter.
A few missing details:
DK Jr was supposed to be in DKC1, but Rare's redesign was so drastic that Nintendo made them turn this design into a new character, Diddy Kong.
Also, DK Jr. was a Mystery Mushroom costume in Mario Maker 1.
And he stared in a math game for the NES.
@@MrJWTH didn't Donkey Kong Jr. Math came AFTER DK jr.'s debut on Donkey Kong Jr. (NES/Arcade game)
@@crystalalumina Yeah but he still starred in math
And MKT
Didn't know this. Honestly, I'd have preferred they just say Diddy Kong is DK Jr. It's weird that we haven't seen DK Jr in any of the main Donkey Kong games, and now Nintendo are the ones responsible for Diddy becoming more widely known than their own creation. They should retcon it and say Diddy Kong was the one that starred in DK Jr, just like Jumpman is now called Mario. King Koopa is now Bowser, Princess Toadstool now Peach. They've changed names many times, DK Jr can now be Diddy Kong. And he wasn't really DK's son. That was never outright stated within the games anyway, so it's fine.
11:05 Kamek was a placeholder until they got permission from Rare to use their design for DK, actually.
Oh
big if true
I can believe that
So were finally here,
performing for you...
The more you know
Fun Fact: DK Jr's model for Mario Kart Double Dash was used as the beta models for the helper monkeys from Donkey Kong Jungle Beat.
This' more interesting than anything mentioned in this entire video
DK Jr: The Kong who probably regrets fathering his own usurper. Lmao
0:37
The inner machinations of my mind are an enigma
*Donkey Kong Jr racing*
“cream of the crop”
_7 clone characters shown_
that's the joke
They should of been made into alternate skins like the 9 yoshi colors
crop of the cream
Nightcat omg u are everywhere
We got Pink metal Peach, but adding Diddy Kong was too hard!
I thought Nintendo lore was Donkey Kong Jr IS the current Donkey Kong now grown up, and the original Donkey Kong is now Cranky Kong.
Rare flip flopped on it a bunch of times but I believe that Nintendo's current story is that the current DK is the _son_ of DK Jr., and that Cranky Kong/Original DK is the grandfather of current DK. It's all a bit of a confusing mess though, if you ask me haha
Yes, that is indeed correct. The DK Jr. from the 80's is DK from the 90's (and later) and the original DK is Crancy. Play DKC1 again and you'll read it everywhere in Cranky's lines.
Wrong dk jr is donkey kong’s dad and the donkey in the arcade game is cranky kong
@@ThomasGameDocs lol
Edit that not the truth look what I said and look what everyone else is saying
@@petervandebeek5980 its been retconned. Even in the manual for Donkey Kong Country, it says Cranky is Donkey Kongs father. But somewhere along the line Rare retconned it so Cranky is now Donkey Kong's grandpa
Clearly, Mario must've still been salty after being defeated by Donkey Kong Jr, so when he joined Mario Kart, Mario saw it as a chance to get rid of him
mario's a sneaky boi
Uh...
Eliminated
Nintendo moved on, Mario hasn’t.
Donkey kong jr is in tour now so i guess marios good now
Donkey Kong Junior: you took everything from me
Nintendo: I don't even know who you are
I sure hope DK Jr gets his time in the spotlight again 😦 makes me feel kinda sad.
Same
Title: The Long Lost Kong
Me: Kiddy Kong!
Thomas: DK Junior
Me: *sobs*
We don't speak of Kiddy Kong
kiddy kong haunts my dreams
Thomas Game Docs sorry but kiddy’s my fav
What about Fedora Kong
Vincenzo Mottola ah yes the star of the Bible, Fedora Kong
Never thought I’d hear sexy midriff and donkey Kong in the same sentence
Never have I needed to hear something so badly and not known it until I heard it.
*MAX NUT*
@@BirdieSenpai DBZA Vegeta is a wonderful thing to quote
What’s funny is that I saw this comment seconds before it came up
Knew instantly this was about DK Jr.
Same
Yeah
Same
ReZaHydra or lanky
@RiceCakes Nobody forgot that Kong as
HE HAS NO STYLE
HE HAS NO GRACE
HU HU HU HU HUH
THIS KONG HAS A FUNNY FACE
HE'S FINALLY BACK!!!
... in Mario Kart Tour...
But in 16 bits
both a blessing and a curse
I'm surprised they've added somany reskins of characters and haven't added classic veterans of Mario Kart like WIGGLER or QUEEN BEE
Found this channel few days ago and already seen almost all videos. I learn a lot of cool stuff from then and they are very well researched. Already one of the best channels i discovered in 2019
According to the Kong family tree, Donkey Kong Jr. is actually Donkey Kong’s father. The original Donkey Kong is Cranky Kong, who is Donkey Kong’s grandfather, thus showing that his father must’ve been Donkey Kong Jr.
donkey kong jr abandoned dk.
No please. Just no.
If that's so, then the modern Donkey Kong we all know and love would've been called Donkey Kong III.
@@AymenZero what’s wrong?
@@poweroffriendship2.0 not necessarily
I like the fan theory that DK Jr is todays DK as OG DK has died or become cranky
Mario of today is OG Jump Man's Son
I'm pretty sure that first statement is canon, as in OG DK became Cranky Kong and DK Jr. is the DK we see in games today with Diddy and company.
Nintendo confirmed that modern dk is crankys grand son, it’s not a fan theory the video is just wrong when it says that modern dk is jrs father
@@jesusramos2910 And because of that, that means that modern DK is Donkey Kong Jr. II from Donkey Kong Jr. Math
@@samofford5919 darn, foiled again, curse you math
The OG DK is Cranky Kong, DKJR is his son and (New)DK is his grandson. And Baby DK from Super Sluggers and Yoshi's Island DS is the (New) DK when he was a baby. And since baby Mario is racing with his future self (Ala Partners in Time), it isn't strange for DKJR to appear in the future to see the races.
6:06
Yes, Mario wears 2 pairs of overalls at once
At least Mario (SNES) is finally in Tour.
@@NickFamzi and so is dk jr!
@@DiagonalTanooki Oh holy you are right, I mean I commented that comment around ten months ago and I did forget to mention Donkey Kong Jr. (SNES) as well, but thanks for replying Diagonal Mario as at least DK Jr. (SNES) gets mentioned here!
I'm still hoping for 3D model of DK Jr. to finally appear in Mario Kart Tour, future new Super Mario games, new Donkey Kong games, and more on soon in the future as well!
Going through the comments I've had to realise that Donkey Kong has an extensive lore to its games on par with Dark Souls series.
Damn Nintendo... just sneaking this stuff in. First with the Kirby games being super freaking dark... now with extensive Donkey Kong lore.
You no got me questioning every character’s background that I watch! Funny, interesting and a little sad. Apparently Goofy had a wife, but she passed away do to untold circumstances.
Thank you!
Love your videos by the way!
Correction, corrections, dodododo: The DK we've had in MK64 onward (technically DKC 1 onward) is actually the DK from Donkey Kong Country and not the OG DK, that DK we have in this modern era is the son of DK Jr, and the grandson of the original DK, who is now: Cranky Kong. So really, DK Jr is rooting for his son after time traveling into the future.
YES! Thank you! A small fun fact for another who knows the truth, modern DK's full name is Donkey Kong Jr. II. This can be found in Donkey Kong Jr. Math.
Jacques Offah Junior (II) from math is pink and otherwise identical to Jr. in every other way. I’m pretty sure he’s not modern day Donkey Kong.
Eggman Robotnik modern Donkey Kongs name is actually Donkey Kong the third.
time travel... just admit that donkey kong still has a son that just isnt used in games anymore.
@@seandwalsh3 hey... I remember you!
You're that Mario lore guru I argued with on Twitter!
Wouldn't DK Junior be the present Donkey Kong we know nowadays?
*EDIT #1-* I could swear that it was already established with the SNES game that Cranky Kong would be the old school Donkey Kong.
*EDIT #2-* It seems that Nintendo hasn't officially cleared up if the present DK is Cranky's son or grandson. Should have started with such important clarification in the video.
You are correct, it's right there in the opening for DKC
@@mattpietropaoli835 So... This video was a irrelevant to begin with, and BOY what a clickbait with its false title.
DK Jr. is Cranky's son. Cranky is the original DK. The modern DK, however, is Cranky's grandson, not his son, which means that modern DK is Donkey Kong Jr. II from Donkey Kong Jr. Math
@@samofford5919 Source, please?
The primary debate on the topic comes from "Is the modern Donkey Kong the son or the grandson of Cranky Kong?" Some games, like the Donkey Kong Country games and others refer to DK as Cranky's grandson. Notably, DK64 refers to him as Cranky's son. Some games, like Mario Superstar Baseball and Brawl refer to him as Cranky's descendant (or, more specifically, refer to Cranky as DK's ancestor). Nintendo really hasn't helped the debate any, as thev're been quite inconsistent on the topic, themselves. The Mario vs. Donkey Kong series acts as though modern DK has always been the DK of the 1981 classic, for example. It's a huge mess, and we've never really received any definitive, official answer that puts the debate to rest and clarifies all the inconsistencies and contradictions. Of course, since these are games primarily aimed at children to enjoy, we can't really expect the company to put much stock into the lore and consistency, since children generally don't care enough about such matters to dwell on, much less debate, them, they way we older fans seeking to make things make more sense do.
I thought you were gonna talk about chained kong, a prisoner of war
More info
@@imdone8243 I believe he is from Mario RPG
I'm done
He’s a common enemy you can encounter/fight in the later portions of Super Mario RPG. Basically imagine the DKC DK model, but instead of a tie he has metal constraints.
donkeykong.fandom.com/wiki/Chained_Kong
Hahahaha yes the one from Super Mario RPG xD I can imagine him being in Mario Kart Tour xD
I don't think that was considered a dk, he's probably related to gorella from forest maze or something...
8:26 i thought it was some kind of design limitation, where Donkey Kong was too big to fit on a 32x32 space, but not this...
It appears to be a bit more complicated. The Donkey Kong we know now, from Donkey Kong Country onwards is actually Donkey Kong the 3rd, as he is the grandson of Cranky Kong, the original Donkey Kong. This means that Junior is actually cheering on his son. There are several theories as to what happened to him. One being that he died, leaving Cranky to raise the modern Donkey Kong. However, it could be that they thought it was too confusing to have Donkey Kong's dad be referred to as Junior. There was a mysterious character called Fedora Kong that was going to be in Country but was left out. Some believe that this is the grown up Junior. I've personally developed my own theory. Look at what he's wearing...a leotard. What if Junior was a gymnast? This would also explain as to why he was home schooled in Donkey Kong Junior Maths. Instead of following in the family business, he got a scholarship to some fancy college with a strong gymnastics program and is now a successful gymnastics coach, perhaps at his old college. This would explain his absence and why DK3 was raised by his grandparents as Junior was busy with his gymnastics career, maybe he even competed at the Olympics or whatever the Kong equivalent might be. This would also explain why his most recent appearances have been sports based. He does love his son, but he was away a lot and his skill set doesn't fit with the family's adventuring.
I'm sure I'm not the only person to point this out, but current DK is not the original DK, Cranky Kong is. DK is Jr's son!
I think it's pretty simple, the Donkey Kong Country series didn't exist yet when Super Mario Kart was in development and before those games happened Donkey Kong characters never left the arcade and therefore Donkey Kong wasn't part of the main Mario cast yet.
Adding Donkey Kong Jr. to the game was nothing more than a retro throwback in 1992 people probably got about the same feeling back in the day as people got when characters like the Ice Climbers or the Duck Hunt Duo were added to Smash Bros
Maybe it's hard to imagine, but Donkey Kong and Donkey Kong Jr. were on the same level during Super Mario Kart's development, and DK Jr. was probably chosen because he was more relevant as his game was newer (and just like Miyamoto stated, it was his 10th anniversary)
Also, DK Jr. was always a playable character, while DK was never a playable character.
As someone whose favorite part of Nintendo EVER is Donkey Kong Jr. I appreciate your making this video and giving spotlight to my favorite underrated and forgotten character ever so much!
When I found out years ago that DK Jr. was going to be in Double Dash but got replaced, I was absolutely livid initially. I don't have anything against Diddy and I adore him immensely, but finding out that my favorite part of Nintendo's history almost made it into my favorite game of the decade was like a banana slamma to the face.
Also, if I wasn't already subscribed, your coughing over the abominations that are MORE worthless derivatives of Mario and Peach at the beginning of the video definitely would have caused me to subscribe, lol.
DK Jr. being left out by nintendo pisses me off more than any other forgotten Mario character. While characters like waluigi are at least consistent in spin off appearances, characters like birdo and spike are included in the games sparingly but still being used over the years, Pauline and King K Rool finally coming back into relevancy after many years of rarely appearing and characters like Wart and Geno who while it would be cool to see them return were only used once or twice so they're kinda not as close to us as other Mario characters. DK Jr was the only one who was just left out by Nintendo in the rain right after he had gotten his chance like wtf they actually went out of their way to remove him from double dash. And don't give me that DK jr is modern DK so he can't be in the games with him bullshit cause baby characters like baby mario appear alongside their adult counterparts in spin off games all the time. I don't hate Diddy though but he just doesn't cut it for me. He seems too cool and hip whereas DK Jr appears to be a more playful and cute child gorilla
The guy says 'darling' too much, and I know that for a fact because where he's from here in England, people don’t say that so much... he’s sing a stereotype to boost his popularity...
10:43 The Donkey Kong that has appeared from Donkey Kong Country and after is actually Donkey Kong Junior's son.
Is it me or is it satisfying to look at the super Mario all starts in the tiny TV in miyamoto's desk?
But does this kong have style, or grace, or some sort of funny face?
Your narration is perfect. I’m sure you have a script but your delivery is very natural and candid. You create great work. I’m such a huge fan!
Saw him on the NES library for the switch, and saw him on the original Mario Kart on the SNES library. I was wondering who he was, so thanks!
I'm loving this ever-so-slightly less professional, more jovial Mr. Docs 😂
Diddy Kong didn't just replace DK Jr. in Mario Kart: Double Dash, but in Donkey Kong Country as well.
Diddy was initially meant to just be Rare's redesign for Jr., but Nintendo didn't like how different he looked, and told them they had to either keep the original design, or just make the redesign a new character entirely, to which they did the latter.
The modern-day Donkey Kong introduced in DKC is actually DK Jr.'s son, with the original Donkey Kong from the arcade game now being known as the elderly Cranky Kong.
Theories say that DK Jr. died in the banana wars before the events if DKC, and that he is the DK we all know’s father.
referral madness Exactly.
DekuShrub 99 I think you mean the Kremean War
Seán Walsh The theories say that they are one and the same.
3:59 Ridley:Is this my people?
I saw this as that came on and was about to comment that as well
8:34
Woah. I *love* that DK design. Oddly endearing. Really wish they used it more!
Donkey Chonk
Donkey Kong junior: I Guess Nintendo forgot me.
Kiddy Kong: You stole a title from me.
Awesome video man! Really enjoy your presentation and the content you have within them! Can't wait for the next!!
I was wondering about this for a while and this video has answered all my questions. Much love, keep up the good work.
DK Jr should be the fifth playable kong when the next DKC game comes out
I originally thought it was going to be Fedora Kong, the scrapped Donkey Kong Land character. Fedora Kong is an enigma, his purpose is unknown.
Is Fedora Kong the Kong that wears a tuxedo in the cartoon?
@@thesupervideogamenerdmore3171 most likely not
@@vincenzomottola7778 Seriously, who is he?
@@thesupervideogamenerdmore3171 we don't have a definitive answer, only the DKL Character Designers would know who Fedora Kong really was.
there is a theory that donkey kong jr is fedora kong. people say that donkey kong jr died in the banana wars and this theory states that donkey kong jr went into hiding and didn't actually die and now wears a fedora. this is because a fedora symbolizes father hood which would explain donkey kong jr being the donkey kong nows father.
This was a great video, I loved the secret ending!
I don't know why I haven't subscribed until now, but I definitely did after this one. Love your videos man!
Correction: Many times, you say that the Donkey Kong in Mario Kart is DK Junior's father. In reality, this Donkey Kong appears to be the same from Donkey Kong Country, which is Donkey Kong the Third. As Cranky Kong is the original Donkey Kong, and thus DK Junior's father. DK Junior is the father of Donkey Kong the Third, it seems. And while Cranky Kong did wear a tie in Donkey Kong for the gameboy, he still looked different than the modern day Donkey Kong.
Quick correction, modern DK's full name is Donkey Kong Jr. II. This can be found in Donkey Kong Jr. Math.
Jacques Offah there is no proof that Jr. (II) from math is Donkey Kong the Third. Junior (II) looks nothing like DKIII and is actually identical in appearance to Jr., aside from his pink colouration.
If it hadn't been for Donkey Kong Jr.
I'd been married a long time ago
Where did he come from, where did he go?
Where did he come from, Donkey Kong Jr.?
Where did you come from, where did you go? Where did you come from, Donkey Kong Jr.?
I knew about DK Jr because theres a local arcade that has it on one of those 10 in 1 machines. Also Billy Mitchell and his "legit" swapping of the Donkey Kong and Donkey King Jr arcade boards
It’s quite obvious what happened, the Donkey Kong Family excommunicated Donkey Kong JR for something he did in Super Mario Kart!
If I'm not mistaken, the donkey Kong from the arcades is actually Cranky Kong in modern games, and the character we know as Donkey Kong is Donkey Kong III
0:50 missed opportunity for where did he come from, where did he go?
Great video btw
6:06 No way, Mario wears overalls? That's crazy lmao
At least DK jr was remembered in smash, also Thomas Time!
He’s in Mario Kart Tour now, so that’s nice.
I wonder if DK Junior pulled a Turbo like in Wreck it Ralph, and when his arcade machine was getting unplugged he jumped in Mario Kart . And then when he wanted some more action, he jumped into Mario Kart Double Dash, that’s when he realized he wasn’t in the roster so he got a foam cutout of himself, put it in the crowd. Then he reprogrammed himself to look like diddy kong, and ripped apart the og diddy kongs game files and made him a glitch.
Thomas time!
* Tarataratatatatataaan! * *Oh yeah,Thomas Time!*
Actually DK JR is current DK's father
Prediction: it’s Donkey Kong Junior; from the game Donkey Kong Junior.
Ding ding ding! Correct!
@Chrisanity Ok He's literally DK. Original DK is Cranky Kong, and the main DK we know is DKJR.
@@vincentjonesvr The modern DK is Cranky's grandson, not his son, which means that modern DK is Donkey Kong Jr. II from Donkey Kong Jr. Math
@@samofford5919 I see somebody else is studied on the extensive Donkey Kong lore that exists.
I sense somebody watched the video first to look smart XD
I was really hoping for kiddy kong when i clicked. DKC 3 is and probably always will be #1 on my top video games of all time, just above 2 and 1. Kiddy needs some love with his little pajama feet hanging off.
He’s an enigma of the bunch,
I don’t know him well.
DK’s family tree,
is confusing as hell.
Wait, wasn't the original DK now cranky kong, and DK jr is the father of the modern DK? so there are three totals Donkey kongs, Don't remember where i heard that though.
This is the truth! Do not listen to the lies! I shall share a fun fact with you, The modern DK's full name is 'Donkey Kong Jr. II' which can be found in Donkey Kong Jr. Math
@@samofford5919 Maybe Donkey Kong Junior II grew up to be Funky Kong. In Donkey Kong Country Funky Kong and Donkey Kong use the same character models
you might have heard it from the leaderboard's video
6:27 the answer is Samus ;)
Bullet Shooty i know right! Poor samus doesn't get much love.
@@VGMStudios33 She truly is a forgotten character from the back side hahaha
@@Ammvnition but is back in
Metroid dread
Dk junior is Donkey Kong’s (country) dad
no it is cranky kong
donkey jr is diddy kong
Objection!
DK Jr. Is the modern DKs father, not the other way around.
I’m sure there’s a million comments of this already but that’s not the OG DK in MK64, that’s his grandson, DK jr’s son. OG DK goes by Cranky Kong now
I thought he was dk jr - not just his son.
@@FlourishPorridge DK Jr. is indeed the Father of Modern DK.
I know you say "father", but it's probably "son" since the primary depiction of DK now, the one from adventure, is the grandson of arcade game DK.
Dunkey including this thumbnail in his most recent vid lmao
I would pay good money for him to come back as a “retro” rep.
same with kamek
While that would be cool... I think it's about time for Falcon to make an appearance (I mean, they stole his vehicle and tracks design and add LINK as a playable character? It's just unfair)
Matheus Vasiliauskas Soares He’d be cool. My second after Donkey Kong Junior is ROB coming back from DS.
@@tuxedobird yeah, ROB should come back too
Matheus Vasiliauskas Soares Actually, maybe Mario Kart could pull a Smash with “Everyone is here!”
I don’t know if anyone has said this yet, but Mario Kart Tour is briefly bringing back Donkey Kong Jr as a character!
Yes but i only have Mario snes :C
Even when i watch a TGD video 5 times, I still learn more things!
Mario Luigi peach daisy
Ah yes my favorite character *cough*
A little early for Donkey Kong December but good vid
Donkey Kong Jr. deserves to be resurrected
DLC fighter 5
original donkey kong is cranky kong now, the donkey we have now is jr's son
The effort put in to find a crumb of evidence that DK jr still existed made me chuckle. Like seriously scuba through beta, or zooming in on fans in a stadium on a version of Mario kart lol
Hold up
Wasnt cranky kong implied to be the original arcade donkey kong
That would make DK Jr. the father of the DK we know and love
Why is he still small whenever we see him in the same game as DK
True, the modern DK is Cranky's grandson, not his son, (which means that modern DK is Donkey Kong Jr. II from Donkey Kong Jr. Math, but that's off topic.) My explanation to that would be that the baby Mario bros. get to exist with their older selves, so DK gets to hang out with his younger dad.
Not implied, the DKC manual states it outright
Petition for D.K Jr to be in Mario Kart Tour
0:53 a,b,c. Shows numbers.
I was always under the impression that current DK is DK Jr, and the Kranky Kong is OG DK. In Donkey Kong Country for the SNES Kranky is seen in the opening playing the original DK arcade theme on a phonograph while standing on the iconic red I-beams. Then a younger more hip DK jumps down and starts playing hip-hop version of the theme on a boombox. I mean the Mario (Jumpman) from the original DK game is supposed to be a different Mario. Maybe I am totally wrong though, because that would make it kind of creepy that Mario is hanging around his father's previous fling in Odyssey and that DS game with the mini mechanical Marios.
That opening in DKC with Original DK (Cranky) is actually meant to signify that Modern DK and DK Jr. are separate characters (this is canon as the DKC manual states that Modern DK is new character). Nintendo officially stated that Mario and Jumpman are the same character.
Well, Donkey Kong Jr is actually the Donkey Kong we see in Donkey Kong Country. Donkey Kong was actually Donkey Kong Jr but grown up.
Just FYI -- modern Donkey Kong is NOT the father of DK JR.
It’s the other way around.
I mean, is Cranky Donkey's dad or grandpa anyway?
Cranky is DK Jr.s dad
0:42 When the imposter is sus
AMOGUS
SUSSY
Here's the thing though. The Original DK from the arcade game is canonically proven to be Cranky Kong in the DKC Series. The DK we play as in DKC and Mario Kart and other Mario spinoffs is Cranky's Grandson.
Donkey Kong Jr. is actually DKC Donkey Kong's father, not him.
They are both the original Donkey Kong because video games
I played DK jr when I was very small and I loved the game back then
The Dk - Dk Jr snafu has already been pointed out but I think for SMK, Nintendo chose Jr. as Donkey Kong himself wasn't exactly "popular" until the release of DKC two years later. Jr. was really the only other DK protagonist outside of Mario at the time who is obviously the overall series namesake.
Wait people *haven't* heard of DK Jr?
"Did you ever hear of the tragedy of Donkey Kong Jr.?"
"No."
"I thought not. It is not a story Nintendo would tell you. It is a forgotten Nintendo character. He was the son of Donkey Kong,so forgotten and so unknown,almost nobody remembers him. He was so forgotten,even Nintendo doesn't bring him up."
"He is not being brought up?"
"The theme of the arcade game is a pathway to many issues some consider infamous."
"What happened to him?"
"He was so infamous,the only thing he feared was being forgotten,which eventually he was. Unfortunately,he stopped properly appearing in games,and,one year,everybody forgot him."
"How can we learn to keep a character famous?"
"Not from Donkey Kong Jr."
I knew DK Jr. from his game(A sequel to DK) and
I knew he got replaced by Diddy Kong.
He is also in Mario Kart Tour(Mario Kart
for Mobile from 2019) and his in his NES Mario Kart style.
Mario in DK and DK Jr. used to be called Jump Man.
Super Mario Bros. Was a sequel to Mario Bros.
Dk Jr isn't modern DKs son as you said, in fact modern DK is the son of DK Jr, Kranky Kong is the original Donkey Kong
0:15 That's me
It pisses me off that dk jr was replaced by diddy in double dash. :/
11:49 ʙᴀʙʏ ᴛ-ᴘᴏsᴇ
And Birdo
I’m very relieved but also very disappointed that this video isn’t about Bluster Kong
Okay I am writing this before the video starts, here are my guesses of who it is:
- Lanky Kong
- Chunky Kong
- Donkey Kong Jr.
Written after the video: okay I guessed it. And as of right now, DK Jr. is a playable character in MarioKart Tour for a limited time.