Al's Yamaha DSR112 active speaker review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- Thank you Prom Music in Sudbury for lending me these bad boys to test for the weekend. Absolutely the most powerful compact 12" speakers I've ever tested. The DSR line is one step above the DXR line of which I own the DXR8s and DXR15s. The DSR cabs do NOT have a versatile mixer section like the DXR, but have better quality neo transducers, higher applied power and a much more durable "line-x" finish. They feel extremely solid,and simply ooze quality, but also have a higher price tag than the DXR series. I would recommend the DSR112 to those doing live sound reinforcement or DJ work where a small format ultra hi output cab is wanted to keep up with subs, The DSR112 would also make an excellent high SPL monitor. Only negatives IMO are the single top handle and the limited low frequency extension (compact box) which is why for stand alone DJ work (no subs), I would recomment the DSR115 or DXR15s simply because they go noticeably lower than the DSR112 and sound fuller / warmer overall. Yamaha's DSR line carries a 7 year warranty in the US.
Thanks for the review, I already have dsr 18" subs, so these are strong contestants to go with
Amazing topend speakers when paired with subs.
would you know if the yahama dsr112 has a 2" exit throat or are they referring to the 2" compression driver?
The dxr 12 says that it has a 1" throat but the dsr does not mention that. Its important as I'm thinking of the vocals side of the speaker
Sorry for the delay in my response... The 2'' refers to the size of the voice coil and not the exit, unfortunately. Still, these are very crisp, extremely loud and clear for vocals.
Hi Al, love your reviews. I'm not a Dj. Just looking for a pair of speakers to sing karaoke with buddies on the weekends. Can you help me to choose which ones that are best for? I'm aiming for either PS12p or DXR15. Or if you have any other suggestions, I'd would much appreciated. I have a SVS pb13 Ultra subwoofer I'm thinking to pair with. Buddy just bought a pair of DXR15's. Sound fantastic. I love the mid's and hi's on them but not so much on the low's. Thank you!
I wouldn't pair a home theatre subwoofer with pro audio speakers, they simply don't mix as they were designed for different purposes - one designed for maximum SPL, the other for deep low frequency extension, but at lower SPLs. As for the DXR15s, they are terrific overall, but you cannot expect low frequency extension such as found in a subwoofer. Even those that are capable of really deep bass (through strong processing), such as PS12P, only do it up to certain levels and then ONLY the mids and highs get louder. This is why I prefer the DXR's more natural response at all levels. For karaoke, may speakers will do, even many below the price range of DXR and PS series. A set of DBR12s for example would offer a more compact system that would sound great overall for karaoke purposes. Many other similar actives would be fine as well - all depending how much output and low frequencies you want. Generally, karaoke focuses on vocals, so DBR12s would be fine, and if you want CRAZY loud karaoke, DSR12s are excellent. They do not produce much deep bass though. You could always add a DXS18 subs if you want those sweet DEEP low frequencies.
If you want LOUD with excellent bass without subs, you can't go wrong with the DSR115s. Bass is not as deep as what you get from the (overly processed) PS12Ps, but it is strong, thumpy, loud and consistent at all volumes. These speakers are loud as F_CK with what seems to be unlimited output, so you want loud karaoke, these are your speakers. Top end is nice and sweet too. You may want to increase the mids a little on your mixer as I found their sound to be a little mid scooped, but you won't be disapointed with their output capability. The loudest 15s I've tested to be honest. Al
Just noticed your other quetion. Unfortunately, the DSR cabs don't have much of a mixer section, so an external mixer - such as Yamaha MG10 - would be ideal to plus in your mics and music source and to control levels etc. It is always best to do it this way for optimal results. I am always willing to help you should you require advice for connecting / setting up etc. Al Al
To me, the DXR15 sounds a little better overall, especially for playback music AND I really like the flexible mixer section. The advantages of the DSR115 are the tougher build quality (not so fragile as the DXR), the better quality neodymium transducers, higher output and top end at high levels (bigger compression driver). I chose the DXR15 because of the lower price, better mixer and because I didn't need the extra output / volume the DSRs are capable of. I mostly DJ small weddings and events - so they were a better fit for me... If I were doing live bands or big halls more regularly, the DSR115s would have been my choice.
hi ! i got a question. better dsr 12 or dxr 12? i already have 2 dxr 10 and one dxr 8
+javier mauricio vasquez ramirez The DSR112 has more applied power, a beefier compression driver, better woofer and finish as well. However, the DXR12 (and DXR15) sound a little better to my ears when used stand alone beause of their better low frequency response. so, I guess the answer would depend on your application. The DSR112's cabinet is just a little too small and therefore the low end suffers. This is not a problem when it is used with subs however - which it should be. Used with subs, the DSR112s are simply amazing - as their output capability in the mids and highs is outstanding. The DSR112'S big brother : DSR115 is MUCH better stand alone because of the bigger cabinet and woofer. At one point, I was torn between the DXR15 and DSR115 to use as my smaller system (without subs) but ultimately went with DXR15 simply becasue I feel they sound a little smoother with CD music and I like the mixer section, which is very flexible and which I enjoy on my DXR8s as well .Makes them so flexible...
Hey Al. Are the DSR night and day louder and clearer than the DXRs when you have the HPF engaged. I have a pair of DXR12s and 8s. I I use the 12s as mains 8s as side fills if needed. Tryna determine if its worth stepping up to the DSRs . Starting to go after the 500 -700 people crowd. As is seems that my DXRs can handle that with subs but could be because I never heard the DSRs
The maximum amount of people I feel comfortable handling for wedding type events with my DXR8s over DXS12 subs is between 200-300. If I regularly had bookings that had 300-500 people, I would likely have a pair of DSR112s over a pair of the new DSX18 subs. Between 500-700 people, I'd double up on the DSR112s (so 2 pairs) for better coverage and add another pair of DXS18 subs. I would never attempt 500-700 people with DXR8s and DXR12s - even with subs - unless you're just doing spoken word. They will simply be into limiting most of the night IMO. And yes, the DSR112 are night and day over DXR8s and DXR12s. A bigger compression driver and more applied power make a big difference. The top end on the DSR112 was so crisp it got painful quickly in my studio. In a venue however, this strong top end will cut through nicely and make things sound nice and clear overall.
Yeah, the crossover setting is odd, but it is meant to match the DSR and DXS subs. My DXS subs have 80hz, 100hz and 120hz low pass filters... The DXRs are outstanding speakers - I love them. As you know, I own DXR8s and DXR15s. The DSR line is simply one level up - performance and output wise. I don't need DSR performance as I mostly do smaller events and weddings, but if I did bigger bookings regularly or live sound, I would want the extra output and better transducers found in the DSR line. One thing to keep in mind is that the DSR112s do not do well without subs (unlike the DSR115s), so subs are always recommended with them. The DXR12s might even sound fuller - although they won't get nearly as loud. It is the DSR112's small cabinet that is the culprit here I believe... With subs however, the DSR112s shine and will keep up with any active 18" sub if not a pair of them!!!
How does the bass frequencies of the DSR112 compare to the DXR15?
+Richard Penrose Just realized I missed your comment - my apologies. The DSR112 does not compare at all with the DXR15 in terms of low frequency reproduction. That was my main disapointment with the DSR112, why I often mention that it does much better when paired with subs. The DXR15s are excellent full range cabs - my personal favorite actually for smaller DJ (wedding) type gigs). The DSR112 is extremely loud however and the compact size can be a big plus - as long as you have subs to provide the bass. :-) Al
can i use the 2x dsr112 with one dxs 12sub? I use it for vocals and high quality backing tracks. music from late 50's/60's/70's.
You can use a single DXS12 sub to compliment the DSR112s, but only up to a certain volume as you will find that a single one will run out of steam much quicker than the DSR112s. A pair of them or DXS15s would be a better match but....truth be told, however - a hi-passed pair of DSR112s could likely hang with 4 of the DXS12s :-) A perfect match to the DSR112s would be a pair of the new DXS18s! Even a single one would be very good. They are big and heavy though... So as mentionned, a single DXS12 will add some depth to the sound of the DSR112s, but the overall sound will only be balnced up to a certain point (when the DXS12 runs out of excursion)
thankyou for your comment.
I was looking at the dxs 12 because of weight and it is much lighter than the dxs 15.
I do have one rcf 905as bass bin, do you think i would be better off using just that one bin instead of the dxs12?
I would stick with the 905AS as it is a better active sub than the DXS12 IMO. If you feel you need more output than a single one can provide, a second 905AS is what i would recommend as they will reinforce each other's outpût and couple perfectly. When performing and using a single sub, it is a good idea to have the sub near a boundary / corner if you want to maximize output. As the results of boundary loading will vary from one venue to the other, it is usually Worth experimenting on optimum placement. Best of luck and feel free if you have any other questions. Al
Thankyou for your honest replies.
I'm looking at varies options. The 2x dsr112 and a light sub, i have been told that the qsc ksub has 2x 12" speakers and although slightly heavier than my 905 as, it is more manageable and has wheels. Do you think it will match with the dsr112? or need I look at the fbt subline 12sa or 15sa?
The other option would be to look at a 2x 15" speaker tops( i want to be able to use just the tops in small to medium sized venues) and a small 12" or !5" sub when I need it.
Vocals are paramount in my sound and I have only one chance to make the correct choice and that is why I need your professional advice.
The QSC Ksub is not well regarded in terms of cost vs performance, unfortunately. In fact, a single DXS12 performs just as well at significatly less cost. FBT makes some excellent products, but since they are a less popular brand, service may be an issues, depending on where you live. I would either get a second 905AS or get some high quality 15s that have excellent bass response. It will not sound as good as having a sub (or subs) on the floor however. If you want smaller and more manageable weight wise, another option might be 4 X EV ZX1A subs. At 46lbs, you could take 2 to smaller jobs and all 4 to bigger jobs. It becomes a more scalable system. www.electrovoice.com/product.php?id=1170 If you prefer to stick with 2 subs, another sub that weighs less than 60lbs and is worth considering is EV's new EKX 15" sub : www.electrovoice.com/product.php?id=2599 There you go, a few more options :-)
Hi! Any thoughts on Yamaha DSR112&DXS18 versus KV2 EX12&EX1.8?
+Brent Seniedo Hi Brent. That's a tough one... Both would be truly excellent sounding and performing systems, to be honest. The KV2 is probably twice the price of the Yamaha though, and I truly don't believe the sound / output differences will be as significant as the price difference. There's also the warranty and service that will no doubt be better with Yamaha. (7 year warranty and will be easier to get serviced than KV2 simply because of how popular Yamaha is). Hope this helps... :-) AL
Thank you so much. Your advice really helped me with my decision. I'll go with Yamaha then...
+alpoulin1 One more thing, the DSR112 has HPF @120hz. Any thoughts on using it with a QSC KW181 with a LPF @100hz?
+Brent Seniedo Yeah, that's the one weird thing about the DSR tops...not sure why Yamaha simply didn't stick to the traditional 100hz high pass frequency. The DXS subs have 3 LPF settings, so no problem when you use these. With the QSC subs, I'd say just try it to see how it sounds. The small gap between 100 and 120hz might not be all that noticeable. If it doesn't sound right however, you can always leave the DSR112s on full range. Just don't boost the low frequencies on your mixer channel eqs (or overall EQ) so as not to overwork the 12s. Simply turn up the subs a little more if you need more low end. :-) Best of luck and feel free if I can help you with anything else.
DSR112 vs. EV ETX 12p vs. JBL SRX812p... Which do you prefer?
+Aaron Jacobson I would love to say that I've had the pleasure of testing all of these excellent active cabs, but sadly no. Most likely, the DSR112 compares very well to the other 2 when used high passed, but full range I'm going to bet the other 2 do much better. That was my main disapointment with the DSR112 : its lack of deep low frequencies, mostly due to the very compact box design that has a negative effect on its low frequecny performance...
Thanks Al, I appreciate the feedback, I'm going to go try and demo all of them sometime soon, so I can hear for myself, but having a little trouble finding a local shop that has all 3... Are there any other powered 12"s I should consider?
+Aaron Jacobson Are you using these with subs or stand alone? For stand alone use, Yorkville's Parasource PS-12Ps are simply amazing (up to the levels I could test them at in my studio anyway), but I haven't tried them high passed with subs. considering their price however, I would have liked to see a beefier compression driver. Another you should look at, although it is a 15" is RCF's ART 745A. With a 4" compression driver, the mids and high clarity should be outstanding and they should rock used full range as well because of the big box and woofer. Al