I tried this many years ago before watching this video on a 60s Rogers bass drum. I not only caught it on fire, I then dropped it on my deck where it rolled down the stairs and across the yard like a flaming tire after a horrible car wreck.
A sound comparison of resonance differences between a wrapped and unwrapped (and stained) drum would be nice. Does the wrap alter the sound? Does stain?
I have a '75 Ludwig jazz set with ugly, cracked wrap. I was able to get the wrap off all the drums without damaging the shells. On the rack tom, the glue came off (tediously), but I can't seem to find anything to work on the floor and bass. Tried the heat gun on low to soften the glue. Didn't work. Tried spraying it with Goof Off. Didn't work. Covered it in adhesive/paint stripper from Lowe's. That only helped remove the outer coat of glue. Might add that the entire shell is covered in glue, not just the wrap seams. Any suggestions? Thanks.
Tanks for the tips My names Matt and you inspired me to refinish my kit I've gotten a lot of knowledge from you that has help a lot I just wanted to say thank you!
Another great video. I just picked up a Ludwig Custom Accent Jazz drum set (Chinese made). Is there a trick or shortcut to use the wrap is slightly loose on one side and a small area of the floor tom. I now know how to remove the wrap - but was hoping I don’t have to-because most likely I won’t be able to find the wrap to replace it. Help? What adhesive is a good one to use on drum shells? thank you!!!
I'm in the middle of restoring a drum set for my school and the wraps are glued all the way around. I've been using isopropyl alcohol to dissolve the glue and then just peeling it off. Is this damaging the shell? I already did half the kit, so it's a little late if it is. If anybody has any other tips, I'd love to hear them. The wraps being glued all the way around makes the removal process awfully tedious.
Its probably held down with contact cement. So heat will help, but try using acetone. Its stronger than alcohol. What youre doing, or using acetone, wont damage the shell because it evaporates so fast.
I don't know if you mention this in the vid and I missed it but... do not do this with a vintage Ludwig 3 ply. It isn't nearly as easy as this and you may not like what you find underneath the wrap. Also you will almost definitely end up using wood filler on the places where part of the ply comes off with the wrap. And whatever that adhesive was that Ludwig used is veryveryvery hard to remove. You will end up taking off some of the outer ply in the process of removing the adhesive. That's in addition to the wood that came off when you removed the wrap. TL;DR Don't do this with a vintage 3 ply even if the wrap is really crappy
What would you recommend I do for making a gong drum out of an old 16 inch floor tom? I don't know who to go about it, but from what I understand about gong drums they use an oversized head (much like a timpani drum) so I would assume that I could get away with just making spacers for the lugs.
So burning the wood on the drums doesn't add to the sound or flavor of the drums unlike with whiskey or bourbon. Good to know. BTW, I would have lost it and gotten out a sledgehammer when the air vent didn't come out with a few hammer blows.
Hey David. Great job on the video. I bought a cheap drum shell pack an almost all the screws are stripped. Do you have a way to take them of with out damaging the drum
once i bought a cheap 12" tom (even though i already have one) just so i could paint it and the wrap was held on by the lugs. i took the hardware off then it literally fell off. i thought the wrap removal was the hardest part!. also on a side note, i painted it with a test pot of wall paint and then sprayed small dots of purple all around it. looks great and still using it.
+syntheticrebellion yeah I know I was jusft suprised that it had evans ec2s, nice clean hardware and under the wrap, a stained shell. not sure why they put a crusty white wrap on it...
I have a '75 Ludwig set with a sparkle wrap that is badly cracked and chipped. The 9x13 wrap was easy to remove with the heat gun. However, the glue on the floor tom and bass are being difficult. No amount scraping, rubbing, heat gun, or peeling is working. Any suggestions?
Ola David . Feliz Ano Novo. Tenho uma Pearl Kapur / fiberglass, você sabe me informar como limpar a parte interna e externa dela ( produtos ) obrigado.
Hey man, how bout repairing/refinishing or filling drums (rack toms with tube arm mounts going inside the drum or non virgin bass drums) with holes in them from tube arms mounts or rack Tom mounts on bass drums? Do you have any videos on those kind of drum restorations or can make one? Thanks bro!
I recently peeled the wrap off of an old snare, but I still can't get the air vent off. I I believe it's one of the vents that's put in by hammering it. How do I remove it?
Doesn’t go quite as well with old tama mahogany shells as they have a very porous surface and Tama seem to have used some spray glue to hold the wrap on. Nothing a little wood filler couldn’t fix (pre rewrap). Just more work but all good.
I found that a heavy, rugged, single keyboard sissor stand is great to use working on drums. Seemingly... almost NONE of the factory latching positions ever fit the shell I'm working on.... but that's easily "fixed" with a cheap nylon ratchet strap looped through the bottom legs. Also, I wrap the top bars in folded paper shop towels and tape them on to protect the drum. Just sayin'..... PS.... if you work on guitars, a garage sale ironing board with a pad is great. You can work from either side without turning the instrument around (with the pickups or controls hanging out). Shouldn't scratch if you wash the padded cover every now and then. Actually TWO covers are better. Older, heavier ironing boards with good legs and the longest/widest footprint you can get are the best. Just sayin' again....
Any tips on how to remove glue from wood other than scraping it off? I just got back into my room after removing some wrap from a cheap Millenium rack tom I got for experimentation. That shit was glued tight ALL THE WAY AROUND. Took me almost two hours to remove that thing with my hairdryer, and now the wood is covered in glue residue everywhere...
@@westonnemitz1093 Sand it down reeeeal thoroughly. With the other drums: Be extra patient when heating up the plastic wrap. You shouldn't have to use much force at all - does take long though. The hair dryer is not the ideal tool
@@BNLNRD thanks for the tips, I’m removing the wraps off of some Borg toms right now, did not go well. Was way too fast for the floor tom so she splintered real bad, plus now they are all covered in gunk. Will try my best though
@@westonnemitz1093 Sorry to hear that. There's no easy way out, sadly. I treated the splintered parts with diluted wood filler. Plenty on sanding afterwards, but worth it. After spray painting the shells you couldn't see anything anymore!
@@BNLNRD got some stuff called “Goo Gone” to remove the glue gunk, and I’m just gonna sand then as good as I can. Hopefully it will look fine once it’s painted!
if you scuff it up it should stick if you use contact cement. But if you add another layer the lugs might stick out too far and the tension rods would be angled slightly.
honestly it's more of a personal preference really. if you like the look and all. I know they do protect the wood from the elements and general wear and tear so if you didn't want it on there you'd at lease want to stain or laquer it so the wood is protected
+Ricardo Ayon yup it'll just be a preference of color at that point. most stains apply exactly the same. Any hardware store will have a chart of colors that'll give you an idea of what it'll look like. as far as applying it's pretty simple, but if you're not sure there's plenty of videos on applying stain to wood.
It is possible, but with a hair dryer it doesn't get nearly as hot. You would be there forever and risk damaging the shells. It's worth it to get a heat gun you can find them for like $10 at harbor freight :)
I don't know if anyone watches this in 2020, but I have a slightly different problem. I have a Tama Hyperdrive with a wrap and it just doesn't have a cut. Wrap is completely closed. I don't know if cutting it is smart.
I watched a lot of ur vids and I just wanna say its fakking awesome..... BUT, the music is gettin a bit annoying. Its always the same. Couldnt u like do something a bit more different just for the sake of changing shit up.
Bit of both, but mostly the genre. It mite be worth trying mix it up a bit, but I would be fine by keepin the genre, but preferably with some other stuff just to keep it more interesting. I do like the fact that it is very recognizable (even though that is part of the critique). Also, I wanna note that Im not hatin (on a personal level), it was a moment (obviously since Im a fan, there are also moments I enjoy) where I expressed my dislike for the music choices.
Awesome I've done that as well best mothod. Ps check out the video I uploaded yesterday on my channel, the cymbal episode. Please comment it'd mean a lot . Thank you
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I tried this many years ago before watching this video on a 60s Rogers bass drum. I not only caught it on fire, I then dropped it on my deck where it rolled down the stairs and across the yard like a flaming tire after a horrible car wreck.
Underrated comment. I actually laughed at reading this.
Keith Moon would be proud.
Funniest drum story I've ever heard !!!
Yikes.
4:51 perfectly matches the tempo of the background music
I saw the title and thought you were taking off the tie-dye wrap... glad you're keeping it!
A sound comparison of resonance differences between a wrapped and unwrapped (and stained) drum would be nice. Does the wrap alter the sound? Does stain?
I have a '75 Ludwig jazz set with ugly, cracked wrap. I was able to get the wrap off all the drums without damaging the shells. On the rack tom, the glue came off (tediously), but I can't seem to find anything to work on the floor and bass. Tried the heat gun on low to soften the glue. Didn't work. Tried spraying it with Goof Off. Didn't work. Covered it in adhesive/paint stripper from Lowe's. That only helped remove the outer coat of glue. Might add that the entire shell is covered in glue, not just the wrap seams. Any suggestions? Thanks.
hey rdavidr . could a hair dryer work instead of a heat gun?
yes.
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Want to know what'll protect you from that heat? GLOVES!!!! lol
looking to renovate my old set. this is super helpful! These vids are great.
Tanks for the tips My names Matt and you inspired me to refinish my kit I've gotten a lot of knowledge from you that has help a lot I just wanted to say thank you!
Thanks for the inspiration - you`re doing a perfect job! Do you know, if it`s possible to restor an old wrinkled wrap with the heatgun?
Can you "burn" the wood on purpose?? Would it have different sonic properties?
I'd love to see that!
I wish you would've put this out like a week ago haha. I spent like three hours sanding the adhesive off
Hello! Nice job. Question. A hair dryer can work? Or not enough heat?
Thx!
Another great video. I just picked up a Ludwig Custom Accent Jazz drum set (Chinese made). Is there a trick or shortcut to use the wrap is slightly loose on one side and a small area of the floor tom. I now know how to remove the wrap - but was hoping I don’t have to-because most likely I won’t be able to find the wrap to replace it. Help? What adhesive is a good one to use on drum shells? thank you!!!
I'm in the middle of restoring a drum set for my school and the wraps are glued all the way around. I've been using isopropyl alcohol to dissolve the glue and then just peeling it off. Is this damaging the shell? I already did half the kit, so it's a little late if it is. If anybody has any other tips, I'd love to hear them. The wraps being glued all the way around makes the removal process awfully tedious.
Its probably held down with contact cement. So heat will help, but try using acetone. Its stronger than alcohol. What youre doing, or using acetone, wont damage the shell because it evaporates so fast.
rdavidr thank you so much, I'll try that
I don't know if you mention this in the vid and I missed it but... do not do this with a vintage Ludwig 3 ply. It isn't nearly as easy as this and you may not like what you find underneath the wrap. Also you will almost definitely end up using wood filler on the places where part of the ply comes off with the wrap. And whatever that adhesive was that Ludwig used is veryveryvery hard to remove. You will end up taking off some of the outer ply in the process of removing the adhesive. That's in addition to the wood that came off when you removed the wrap.
TL;DR Don't do this with a vintage 3 ply even if the wrap is really crappy
What would you recommend I do for making a gong drum out of an old 16 inch floor tom? I don't know who to go about it, but from what I understand about gong drums they use an oversized head (much like a timpani drum) so I would assume that I could get away with just making spacers for the lugs.
So burning the wood on the drums doesn't add to the sound or flavor of the drums unlike with whiskey or bourbon. Good to know. BTW, I would have lost it and gotten out a sledgehammer when the air vent didn't come out with a few hammer blows.
Hey David. Great job on the video. I bought a cheap drum shell pack an almost all the screws are stripped. Do you have a way to take them of with out damaging the drum
my favorite part is when you removed the wrap.
once i bought a cheap 12" tom (even though i already have one) just so i could paint it and the wrap was held on by the lugs. i took the hardware off then it literally fell off. i thought the wrap removal was the hardest part!. also on a side note, i painted it with a test pot of wall paint and then sprayed small dots of purple all around it. looks great and still using it.
+syntheticrebellion yeah I know I was jusft suprised that it had evans ec2s, nice clean hardware and under the wrap, a stained shell. not sure why they put a crusty white wrap on it...
i type the title into the search and though of course he has a video for this!!!
I have a '75 Ludwig set with a sparkle wrap that is badly cracked and chipped. The 9x13 wrap was easy to remove with the heat gun. However, the glue on the floor tom and bass are being difficult. No amount scraping, rubbing, heat gun, or peeling is working. Any suggestions?
Nice video, but what if a wrap has the glue/adhesive covering all of the shell (ie. Not glued on at the end of the wrap)?
CR7TheGunner I have the same question...I suspect heating and light scraping and then sand. I’m recovering a drum that was recovered before...
It's the same process it just takes a LOT longer to do...
Do you ever had any problems with bassdrum batterheads after you removed wrap and stained it? My bassdrumheads started to turn around while i play...
Ola David . Feliz Ano Novo. Tenho uma Pearl Kapur / fiberglass, você sabe me informar como limpar a parte interna e externa dela ( produtos ) obrigado.
+rdavidr your snare drum builds have inspired me to turn my 13 inch Tom into a snare. Would a six lug layout work for a snare drum? Thanks in advance
removing the old vents can such a headache..nice vid!
Hey man, how bout repairing/refinishing or filling drums (rack toms with tube arm mounts going inside the drum or non virgin bass drums) with holes in them from tube arms mounts or rack Tom mounts on bass drums? Do you have any videos on those kind of drum restorations or can make one? Thanks bro!
Having A LOT of trouble with the glue. Any advice?
So will most manufacturers use wraps? Or is there any other way that is also used?
I recently peeled the wrap off of an old snare, but I still can't get the air vent off. I I believe it's one of the vents that's put in by hammering it. How do I remove it?
Hey man, I dig your videos. I'm looking to stain a kit, have any tips/ videos that could help me out?
Where did you get the spinning table?... but I suspect you made it from something.
Doesn’t go quite as well with old tama mahogany shells as they have a very porous surface and Tama seem to have used some spray glue to hold the wrap on. Nothing a little wood filler couldn’t fix (pre rewrap). Just more work but all good.
I found that a heavy, rugged, single keyboard sissor stand is great to use working on drums. Seemingly... almost NONE of the factory latching positions ever fit the shell I'm working on.... but that's easily "fixed" with a cheap nylon ratchet strap looped through the bottom legs. Also, I wrap the top bars in folded paper shop towels and tape them on to protect the drum.
Just sayin'.....
PS.... if you work on guitars, a garage sale ironing board with a pad is great. You can work from either side without turning the instrument around (with the pickups or controls hanging out). Shouldn't scratch if you wash the padded cover every now and then. Actually TWO covers are better. Older, heavier ironing boards with good legs and the longest/widest footprint you can get are the best.
Just sayin' again....
Oh yeah, they both fold up and don't claim too much shop space.
Hey man,have you ever seen a thin foil stuck on the shell I'm stuck on a sonor performer phonic HELP!!!
Great video man. Do you have a video specific to putting on new air vents with original badges?
just put one out yesterday actually haha
rdavidr can’t wait!
can we see how do you make that thing you are spinning drums in ?
great vid but mate, heat guns are made to stand on their base when you are using them so you don’t risk burning your desk or other stuff!
Is the drum you used in this video a Tama Swingstar?
Do you think a car vinyl wrap would work on a wood shell? 🤔
my tama imperialstar's wrap is glued 100 do i just continue what you did all the way around the shell?
Would a hairdryer work instead of the heat gun?
How do you remove the vent hole from a vintage 1969 Ludwig bass drum?
Please help
How long did it take you to make the intro to this video? That is a lot of moving drums.
Could you do a video where you use a poster for a drum wrap?
Any tips on how to remove glue from wood other than scraping it off?
I just got back into my room after removing some wrap from a cheap Millenium rack tom I got for experimentation. That shit was glued tight ALL THE WAY AROUND. Took me almost two hours to remove that thing with my hairdryer, and now the wood is covered in glue residue everywhere...
Did you find out how to fix it? I’m having the same exact problem…
@@westonnemitz1093 Sand it down reeeeal thoroughly.
With the other drums: Be extra patient when heating up the plastic wrap. You shouldn't have to use much force at all - does take long though. The hair dryer is not the ideal tool
@@BNLNRD thanks for the tips, I’m removing the wraps off of some Borg toms right now, did not go well. Was way too fast for the floor tom so she splintered real bad, plus now they are all covered in gunk. Will try my best though
@@westonnemitz1093 Sorry to hear that. There's no easy way out, sadly. I treated the splintered parts with diluted wood filler. Plenty on sanding afterwards, but worth it. After spray painting the shells you couldn't see anything anymore!
@@BNLNRD got some stuff called “Goo Gone” to remove the glue gunk, and I’m just gonna sand then as good as I can. Hopefully it will look fine once it’s painted!
could you do a video on using polyurethane on inside/outside of cheap drums to make them sound better?
Thanks, really helpful video.
Help I fkd my shell slightly when I tried to take the wrap off can you help ???
Why not just lay the new wrap on top of the existing one? That would ensure a smooth surface to work on. Or wouldn't the adhesive work?
if you scuff it up it should stick if you use contact cement. But if you add another layer the lugs might stick out too far and the tension rods would be angled slightly.
DUde Please do a coating powder for Lugs, rings up bottom, bass legs, floor legs, tension rood, throwoff. thanks dude
you would probably also need acetone and contractor solvents....also sand paper, but it depends on how the drum was wrapped.
is that a Duracell battery screwdriver
Hey what happens if u just put a wrap over a wrap?
Would a blow dryer work, or does it not get hot enough?
idk, give it a try
some hair dryers work on a high heat setting but depends on the dryer
i didnt get lucky like you and have an easy removable air grommet. now im stuck haha
I have that same, sweet, Duracell screwdriver! I'm set
Me too!
so the the wrap im trying to remove doesn't have a seam. any advice?
are you sure its a wrap? you can always score it to get it started
do i need drum wraps on my set?
No, not particularly. It can make the set look nicer depending what you're into but it doesn't really affect quality if its on or not.
Alright, and said something about staining the wood. That can be done with any stainer right?
honestly it's more of a personal preference really. if you like the look and all. I know they do protect the wood from the elements and general wear and tear so if you didn't want it on there you'd at lease want to stain or laquer it so the wood is protected
+Ricardo Ayon yup it'll just be a preference of color at that point. most stains apply exactly the same. Any hardware store will have a chart of colors that'll give you an idea of what it'll look like. as far as applying it's pretty simple, but if you're not sure there's plenty of videos on applying stain to wood.
Does this work with snares aswell
My drum wrap was glued onto the shell so I used a puddy knife to scrape off the extra glue then I sanded the stained part
rdavidr // Can you tell me please what is the correct glue brand and model to re-wrap a drum shell? 3M? Thanks!
any contact cement will work, but itll be permanent. or you can just use thin double sided carpet tape
rdavidr // thank you very, very much for your answer. You really helped me a lot. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
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bearing edges! i need the cheepest and easyest way to get decent round out and 35(or something) in on cheep poplar shells.
please help
I know its been 4 years but get a router and a 35 degree bit and that will do it or ask a friend to borrow theirs hope this helpss
Can you use a blow dryer instead of a heat gun
Yeah
Can you do the same thing but with a hair dryer?
It is possible, but with a hair dryer it doesn't get nearly as hot. You would be there forever and risk damaging the shells. It's worth it to get a heat gun you can find them for like $10 at harbor freight :)
To Perish and Purge that's very helpful to know. I was thinking the same thing. Thanks :)
You probably need a helping hand so the shell doesn't move... :)
Your good man thanks
How to put on a drum wrap??
You can watch his 16" snare video to watch him put on a wrap.
+Claytone thanks!
What about removing paint or stain from a drum?
Sandpaper.
how do you take a air vent out?
do a veneer series.
Can you use a hair dryer instead of a heat gun?
Yes.
hair dryer is a heat gun.
How do you stain drum shells?
But I like how he explains it.... hahahaha I connect with him
Video sensacional.
Can you make a marching snare I ask this in every video
Can u make a mega kit
I don't know if anyone watches this in 2020, but I have a slightly different problem. I have a Tama Hyperdrive with a wrap and it just doesn't have a cut. Wrap is completely closed. I don't know if cutting it is smart.
more of those!!!
What about TAMA? They glue the wrap on 100%
I removed the wrap from a Pearl Export bass drum that was glued exactly the same as the one demonstrated in the video.
I wish I had seen this sooner. Refinished my cheapo snare and peeled a little wood
Ty
That's the 20syl instrumental in the background.
its not hipster enough to be that
yeeee.. I listened to it... it's indeed the same sample but not the same beat.
this is the first time ive heard of that person, what song is it?
rdavidr // can you tell me please what is the correct brand and model of glue to r-ewrap a tom?
a hot hair dryer also works
When I saw this in my subbox, I thought you were going to remove your 16 inch snare wrap because people thought it was ugly.
My air vent is the other kind. The hard way to remove kind😩😩😩
Thumb-rubbing in time... Nice!
1:54 Not only you ruined the shell, but you did that to the most important part of it - the bearing edge.
Michael Scopchanov how was he supposed to.do it then ?
DIY snare wire.
Great video - except your music drowns out your talking,...and frankly the music is annoying.
Lol you have to many drums Dave
You made a job twice as hard ? Pull the rap , sand , stain ???
Snare Bed Please!!!!!!
I watched a lot of ur vids and I just wanna say its fakking awesome..... BUT, the music is gettin a bit annoying. Its always the same. Couldnt u like do something a bit more different just for the sake of changing shit up.
as in I use the same beats too much? or just the genre in general?
David you're totally fine with you're background music. You're awesome anyways bro
+rdavidr I love your vids because the music is so chill
Bit of both, but mostly the genre. It mite be worth trying mix it up a bit, but I would be fine by keepin the genre, but preferably with some other stuff just to keep it more interesting. I do like the fact that it is very recognizable (even though that is part of the critique).
Also, I wanna note that Im not hatin (on a personal level), it was a moment (obviously since Im a fan, there are also moments I enjoy) where I expressed my dislike for the music choices.
Awesome I've done that as well best mothod. Ps check out the video I uploaded yesterday on my channel, the cymbal episode. Please comment it'd mean a lot . Thank you
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