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  • Discussing the Chicago White Sox new stadium saga

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  • @jamesvokral4934
    @jamesvokral4934 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    It is insane that Illinois would fund a billion dollar stadium for the White Sox. The Bears need a new stadium and may make a decision soon but so far no state money is involved. With all the financial problems Chicago has and the long term pension demands they have, it is crazy for the White Sox ownership to expect public money.

    • @Gtasplayer
      @Gtasplayer 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It would be from the state of Illinois not Chicago. If anything this would benefit the city Chicago financially

    • @deplorablepepe7576
      @deplorablepepe7576 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​​@@Gtasplayer The state is practically bankrupt, and the city is on the brink of a death spiral, if it's not in one already. They simply don't have the money, and they've got to deal with the Chicago Bears situation as well.

    • @Gtasplayer
      @Gtasplayer 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@deplorablepepe7576 I do not dispute that. Still it would not cost the city anything.

    • @marblox9300
      @marblox9300 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Gtasplayer So if sports teams benefit the city then why do they keep raising our taxes - who exactly is getting this benefit.???

    • @dwjoseph59
      @dwjoseph59 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I say go with "da bears!!"

  • @FranciscoMorales-ro5cn
    @FranciscoMorales-ro5cn 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Owners should pay for their own stadiums

  • @rodz341
    @rodz341 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    You should do a video on “relocations that never happened”

    • @adellis24
      @adellis24 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      You could do a whole video just on the places the Pittsburgh Penguins nearly got moved to as that saga went on for years.

  • @TheRQpaints
    @TheRQpaints 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    When the SOX have a good team, SOX fans will fill the park. The early 90's teams with Frank Thomas filled that horrible new park. Before Jerry sabotaged the rebuild with LaRussa, the fans were filling the park. SOX fans will not show-up if Jerry puts a lousy team on the field. Wrigley has an advantage because it's history, it's a safe spot in the city, they made the area family friendly and its a top tourist destination in Chicago. Put the SOX in a new state of the art park, in safe area, and if Jerry ever puts a good team on the field, the SOX fans will fill the park.

  • @marblox9300
    @marblox9300 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Seems like just a few years ago I watched the construction people building the New White Sox Park in 1991 - now it's already too old.???

    • @titoslounge1946
      @titoslounge1946 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That’s 33 years ago not a few

    • @marblox9300
      @marblox9300 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@titoslounge1946 Wrigley is about 109 years old so for a new concrete park to be obsolete after 35 years is just ridiculous.

    • @dwjoseph59
      @dwjoseph59 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@marblox9300 i'm from louisiana & the superdome in new orleans, la will be 50 years old in 2 years. Renovations can be an amazingly beautiful thing & the superdome survived hurricane katrina in 2005 with it's roof being partially ripped off by heavy winds & some holes coming thru the roof back then. Now look at it, 48 going on 49 years old & still going strong & looking good. And fedex field in landover, md is the best example of what can happen when you don't keep up on stadium renovations.

    • @marblox9300
      @marblox9300 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@dwjoseph59 The Superdome is probably the coolest looking stadium from the outside - for that alone it should remain.

    • @dwjoseph59
      @dwjoseph59 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @marblox9300 yeah, it's nice. Especially riding up to it, it looks like a big piece of gold from the outside. Those newer domed stadiums look nice too: jerry's world/at&t stadium in arlington, tx, the bird's nest 🪹/mercedes-benz stadium in atlanta, ga, the giant roomba i robot vaccum/allegiant stadium in las vegas, the desert spaceship/state farm stadium in glendale, az, the fancy new one with the giant oculus type of jumbotron/sofi stadium in englewood, ca, etc

  • @donfinstad1685
    @donfinstad1685 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Basically, baseball can't sell itself on its own merit. The thing that made baseball loved is what they keep changing.

    • @mrg8581
      @mrg8581 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Baseball can't have decent uniforms, including pants. Nike and Fanatics are a joke.

  • @jeffha4057
    @jeffha4057 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    You are wrong about the area around the stadium being unsafe. Bridgeport is a great neighborhood to live in. The problem is that the state of Illinois owns the parking lots surounding the stadium, which is why it can not be developed.

    • @brianl9720
      @brianl9720 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      This 1000x

    • @juelzkellz
      @juelzkellz 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Unfortunately, perception is reality.

  • @matthewvaclavik1639
    @matthewvaclavik1639 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    If I was Pritzker, I’d tell both the bears and Sox that they would have to share a cookie cutter (a la Veterans Stadium) or no deal. Watch how fast they turn that down.

    • @mrg8581
      @mrg8581 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I miss multi purpose stadiums.

    • @joemccullough4246
      @joemccullough4246 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Love this idea

  • @Edward_Nebiolo
    @Edward_Nebiolo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    MLB should be forced to force the other owners to pitch in a million of their own to reduce the amount of taxpayer money used for stadium construction and renovation

    • @robertmiller2104
      @robertmiller2104 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Million? Mean hundreds of millions?

    • @Edward_Nebiolo
      @Edward_Nebiolo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@robertmiller2104 hundred million, ten million, or just a few million. Hundred million preferred

    • @deplorablepepe7576
      @deplorablepepe7576 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@robertmiller2104The federal government should just slap on a 25% tax on all professional sports media revenue to go to bolster the Social Security Fund so at least the taxpayers can get their cut of the economic pie. The taxpayers are part owners of these teams because we're financing it all. Yet, we get no cut.

  • @Superdessucke
    @Superdessucke 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I love your videos, particularly your stadium videos. So don't take this as anything but constructive. I really wish you would stop calling the area around Guaranteed Rate a bad area.
    Bridgeport/Armour Square, where the stadium is, is one of the fastest gentrifying neighborhoods in the city, by a combination of hipsters and Asians moving south from Chinatown. So when you say that, it just sounds like you don't know what you're talking about to anyone who knows Chicago.
    Other than that though, keep up the good work, and keep covering this story!

    • @josephosheavideos3992
      @josephosheavideos3992 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      To add to your cogent remarks: the Bronzeville area east of the ballpark is also gentrifying.

  • @pawpawjoe5144
    @pawpawjoe5144 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    It's more like 4 BILLION that Jerry and the investors want so they can build infrastructure around the ballpark as well as the ballpark.

  • @59jdubya
    @59jdubya 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    As a downstate Sox fan I oppose using public funds for stadiums; however, to clarify, new taxes are not being proposed but rather extending a 2% hotel tax that was approved for the current stadium which still has yet to be paid off.
    They are wanting the state to sell bonds which would be paid for by the extended tax. As I understand it, the money would be used for the some of the adjacent development not just the stadium and the city will still need to pay for extensive infrastructure upgrades to the area.
    In all, a bad investment in public money even though it would be paid for by visitors. If the idea of this development is so good and lucrative, then Reinsdorf should find private investors and the hotel tax should be allowed to sunset.

    • @durkinvibes
      @durkinvibes 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think the real issue is what to do with Guaranteed Rate. Turning it into a soccer field would be a weird renovation and they don't need all of those parking lots. That property needs a real plan

    • @59jdubya
      @59jdubya 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Absolutely. It would be a shame to just walk away from that facility. It is still a perfectly good ballpark.@@durkinvibes

  • @Salazar824
    @Salazar824 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Welp the bears and sox will have to come together and figure something out.

    • @andrebailey6676
      @andrebailey6676 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      They won't

    • @Metalmanz3
      @Metalmanz3 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      they should build a multi use stadium! Oakland did it!

    • @dwjoseph59
      @dwjoseph59 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bears need a new stadium.more

  • @abelincoln6785
    @abelincoln6785 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Your lack of understanding of both both Illinois politics - and this is 100% about politics and business and not basebal - l is evident. First, the area around White Sox park is not as you described. It is an Asian community with shades of Bridgeport Irish. The nearby projects are gone forever. The proposed area is nowhere near the safe area you claim. Go study Hey Jackass for reference. The state of Illinois and Chicago are also in the midst of a migrant crisis which is the dominant financial issue here. The mere fact that Reindorf is asking for 1 Billion at this time is nothing more than unbridled hubris. It is not a smart move. He appears to be a greedy billionaire that he likely is asking for insane amounts when the city has migrants sleeping in police stations and at the airport.. The proposed retail and entertainment area around the stadium along with 1,000 affordable housing units makes this a pipe dream at best. When Reinsdorf made his threat in the 80s the City of Tampa built a stadium hoping he would relocate. He of course was using them as a strong arm tactic. Today that stadium is among the worst and least attended arena and is being replaced. His implied threat that his son would sell the team to interests in Nashville is a joke. The argument boils down to I get my way or I move from the third largest market to the 37th largest market in the nation. To what end?? This is plain and simple a deal to get Reindorf into prime real estate - his expertise - by using the White Sox as bait. The fact that the Sox are the second favorite team in Chicago comes down to marketing and success on the field. If Reinsdorf was any good at these business functions then his team would be the hands down favorites. After all the Cubs have had 100 years of futility , a once broken down Wrigley Field ayet overhauled the park with THEIR OWN MONEY, and you still can't win the number one spot in the hearts of Chicagoans. Reinsdorf take your team and please move. Any number of teams would prefer to be located in the second largest market in the US. MOVE.

  • @jamesbrausch9806
    @jamesbrausch9806 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Tax payers should not have to pony up the cash for some billionaire's dream park. Let the White Sox leave! The people should not cave to the desires of whining billionaires! The Cubs AAA team can play on the south side. The city gave the Sox a stadium in 1991, unfortunately just one year before the new fashion in baseball stadiums was set with Camden Yards, so it was out-of-date a year after it opened. That says it all for White Sox future in Chicago. At least they did get one trophy there though.

  • @Onunez23
    @Onunez23 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Jerry Reinsdorf needs to sell the White Sox and Bulls. Disgusting human being.

    • @user-ox1qd8zj5g
      @user-ox1qd8zj5g 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      you should not judge you do not know

    • @robertmasina7388
      @robertmasina7388 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Can't please everybody, as in the case of Reinsdorf, sometimes one doesn't hold certain jobs and/or titles just to be liked.

  • @bobbypaluga4346
    @bobbypaluga4346 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is crazy, the Bears want out when Soldiers Field is still buried in debt, expecting the taxpayers to build them a new stadium and now the White Sox are piling it on wanting their own new taxpayer funded facility. When will the taxpayers revolt? What incredible steel balls these owners have.

  • @dwjoseph59
    @dwjoseph59 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Michael.douglas said it best in the "wall street" movie: "greed, for lack of a better word, IS GODD!!"

  • @lakerskid2013
    @lakerskid2013 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I think what happens for everybody involved is this scenario.
    Rays stay in Tampa for new stadium deal
    Athletics move to Las Vegas
    Chicago White Sox move to Charlotte and change their team name (maybe something like Stingers or Yellow Jackets)
    The two expansion teams will be in Salt Lake City and Nashville (Salt Lake City could be named the Pioneers, Nashville being the Stars)

    • @marblox9300
      @marblox9300 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I am a previous Chicago guy and don't care about anything White Sox - but even if they DID move - there is no way they would change their name.

    • @lakerskid2013
      @lakerskid2013 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@marblox9300 If they did move, what city would even make sense to keep the White Sox name then?

    • @marblox9300
      @marblox9300 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@lakerskid2013 Dallas White Sox, Seattle White Sox. White Sox as a name has no tie in to Chicago anyway.

  • @amcalabrese1
    @amcalabrese1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    There are two L lines and the METRA Rock Island Line (which is getting new trains).
    All Reinsdorf has to do is develop the parking lots. Then he has his stadium district.
    And Reinsdorf has a history of doing this.

  • @mikeynass7123
    @mikeynass7123 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Sox park isn’t located in the hood tho

  • @TheLiamster
    @TheLiamster 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The new stadium renders do look good but I really want Soldier Field to be renovated. I know I’m in the minority but I actually think it’s a great stadium

  • @AnthonyCoker-ni4nf
    @AnthonyCoker-ni4nf 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The bears need a new stadium more

  • @user-zs1cl8xc8b
    @user-zs1cl8xc8b 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    To much glass. Got to make it more like the original Comiskey park on the exterior … classic

  • @briannieto2406
    @briannieto2406 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Only reason I care for this is if the bears and Sox can’t come together, I’m hoping the Fire & Red Stars could privately fund a stadium in the “78”

  • @PaulScholar-h1z
    @PaulScholar-h1z 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Good Bye White Sox, it was nice knowing you.

    • @aidenawe9359
      @aidenawe9359 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You’ll return once Jerry dies

  • @KurtHoffman-rt7sv
    @KurtHoffman-rt7sv 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Being from chicago and a white sox fan that area is not the same it was 20 years ago with the projects across the street now days you 250,000 dollar condos a block away

    • @bryantsteury8910
      @bryantsteury8910 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It’s not as bad as it was but it’s still insanely dumpy and unsafe

  • @harveycooper7600
    @harveycooper7600 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Sell the team Jerry. Most White Sox simply don't like you for a number of reasons.
    There must be some other billionaire, you can sell the team to, who will keep the team in Chicago.
    Your act is starting to wear thin. This isn't 1990 any longer.

  • @rufflife298
    @rufflife298 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    What's wrong with the neighborhood?

    • @splashnskillz37
      @splashnskillz37 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Too violent for the Cartel League, they don't like competition

    • @robertmasina7388
      @robertmasina7388 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I see nothing wrong with the neighborhood. The South Loop residents for the most part are college educated professionals.

    • @rufflife298
      @rufflife298 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @robertmasina7388 there is nothing wrong with the neighborhood. They have been at that corner for over 100 years. Not even a Sox fan and been going there since the early 80s. My Grandmother lived on 35th and Emerald forever.
      The Sox problem is simple, put a team on the field. In 2006, year after the WS.....they drew 2.95 million. 18 years later the area is a dump and they can't draw? This is a big lie that is manufacturing consent to spend more tax payer money to a 2 team owning billionaire. They need to do what they did with the United Center, get a loan and build it yourself, or just develop the endless parking lots outside of the current ballpark.
      Sick of them crying poor. Their biggest contract ever is a joke. I would argue they generate just as much as the Cubs financially from attendance because they get all the parking revenue and the Cubs don't. Put a team on the field, generate a lucrative TV contract in the 3rd largest city in the US, and develop around the ballpark.
      In the 80s Wrigley and the surrounding area was a dump. It was developed. Do the same to the only neighborhood you have ever called home.

    • @Superdessucke
      @Superdessucke 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I love the Depressed Ginger. And I really hate to criticize him but yeah, he's totally wrong on this. That neighborhood is very expensive and one of the fastest gentrifying neighborhoods in Chicago. I urge him to visit and head a little bit west to Halsted and check out places like Antique Taco, Maria's, and Bernice's, as well as the Bridgeport Art Center.

  • @Bell31813
    @Bell31813 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    They only gave the illusion that they were moments away from moving to Florida. Reinsdorf later stated he never would've moved. It was a scare tactic, and it worked. The current stadium isn't the problem. Reinsdorf is the problem. He's always been the problem. Nashville would be dumb as hell to build a stadium and then welcome an owner that will never spend the money needed to field an actual contender.

  • @michaelcunningham2808
    @michaelcunningham2808 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Makes me think Chicago should've let the White Sox go and be stuck with Tropicana Field. Would've served them right.

    • @marblox9300
      @marblox9300 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Imagine the White Sox playing at the Trop saying - "Looks like we Showed You..!!!". Um, nope.!!! Looks like you just fell into a sinkhole.

  • @tomhartman2254
    @tomhartman2254 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Didn't he fight the Cubs using public funds for Wrigley Renovations?

    • @jonathanscrutchensYT
      @jonathanscrutchensYT 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The Cubs use their own money to renovate Wrigley

    • @alserranojr4945
      @alserranojr4945 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I don't think public funds were even considered for Wrigley Field renovations.

  • @cameronkear5191
    @cameronkear5191 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What’s wrong with their current park?

    • @adanalyst6925
      @adanalyst6925 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Nothing it’s just not sexy

    • @marblox9300
      @marblox9300 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Their current park basically sucked after day one.

    • @robertmasina7388
      @robertmasina7388 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What went wrong with the current park with its high upper deck is it was constructed before the trend of retro ballparks in the 1990's.

  • @funnyharleyman
    @funnyharleyman 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The current ballpark is 33 years old, that’s a newborn compared to some ballparks that are over 100 years old. And stop government funding for these millionaire players and billionaire owners, the money is greatly needed elsewhere. The Illinois taxpayers paid for a huge chunk of this so called “old” ballpark and we didn’t even get a free freaking hotdog. It’s like a shell game with these owners, threaten to move your team and maybe you won’t see that this is one of the worst teams to ever walk onto the field. Concentrate on a winning team and the fans will come back.

  • @quentinberkley9602
    @quentinberkley9602 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Keep the old stadium

    • @marblox9300
      @marblox9300 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      You mean the old NEW stadium. It's only 30 years old.

  • @paulcharles1638
    @paulcharles1638 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    the bears will build a beautiful new stadium but there will not have a super stadium

  • @dwd1968
    @dwd1968 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Jerry is saying if he sells the team they will move because not enough revenue so it makes sense to build a new stadium in a better place with more revenue and the team stays in Chicago.

    • @PaulScholar-h1z
      @PaulScholar-h1z 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Then, you are going to fund a new stadium for the Sox every 30 years for these cry babies.
      Move the Sox to any location that will take them. I recommend Tin Cup Indinana.
      New name Tin Cup Vagabonds.

    • @abelincoln6785
      @abelincoln6785 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Let him pay for it.

    • @harveycooper7600
      @harveycooper7600 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Do you believe everything Jerry says? Jerry thinks he is the smartest guy in the room. Sell the team to someone who will keep them in Chicago.
      Jerry isn't going to live forever. The next time the White Sox will be competitive,
      he'll be dirt napping.

  • @MrC.USA.18
    @MrC.USA.18 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Sports socialism…..socialized the cost and privatize the profits

  • @brianl9720
    @brianl9720 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I like your videos, but you speculate too damn much. You clearly don't know shit about Bridgeport or Chicago. Stick to what you know.

  • @dwjoseph59
    @dwjoseph59 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    White sox are not more poular than the cubs. If the choice is the bears new downtown stadium over the white sox new downtown stadium, i say go with the bears & let the white sox move to nashville, tn. White sox to nashville, athletics to las vegas. Pnc park in pittsburgh, pa is a classic example of a newer & beautiful stadium with amazing downtown views, but horrible management & bad team play on the field. #IJS

  • @collydub1987
    @collydub1987 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Relocation is the worst thing about american sports

  • @richardsantiago429
    @richardsantiago429 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    white sox not moving from chicago. they try in 1990 move to tampa bay

  • @fadercreek
    @fadercreek 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    chicago is gonna get an nfl expansion team

    • @jeffreybelluomini5271
      @jeffreybelluomini5271 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Zero chance of that.. the Bears would block that all day long

  • @jeffwebb2966
    @jeffwebb2966 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love Chicago but i sure am glad I am not an Illinois taxpayer anymore! What crap. See ya SOX

  • @essburn5504
    @essburn5504 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    OoT stupid on the surrounding neighborhoods

  • @user-sz4ze5vu5r
    @user-sz4ze5vu5r 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sup

  • @quentinberkley9602
    @quentinberkley9602 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    No

  • @sirchi8731
    @sirchi8731 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    🤔Chicago needs to only put up 20% of public funding toward a new Chicago White Sox ballpark. Nothing more or less

    • @mrg8581
      @mrg8581 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And even spending 200 million towards a billion dollar stadium is ridiculous.

    • @sirchi8731
      @sirchi8731 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mrg8581 it's not. Every city has to contribute..failure to do so..another city will and your team could leave. Nobody will cry for you. But I don't listen to anti sports ppl

    • @mrg8581
      @mrg8581 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@sirchi8731 Then let them leave. If city leaders stood up to these billionaire owners, it would be lot better in the long run. Most working class families can't afford to attend games. Let stadiums put a 15 or 20 percent ticket surcharge to help pay for 🏟.

    • @mrg8581
      @mrg8581 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@sirchi8731 And I don't listen to liberal elites

  • @BoulderCityBlues
    @BoulderCityBlues 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    White Sox move to Anaheim , Angels to Oakland the A’s to Las Vegas , Nashville and Salt Lake City get new franchises and the game will still suck because Manfred sucks

    • @chicagodude8888
      @chicagodude8888 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      There isn’t a universe where an owner would put a professional sports franchise in the city of Oakland

    • @mrg8581
      @mrg8581 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Manfred sucks regardless whether teams move or not.

  • @user-ss4pq3he6k
    @user-ss4pq3he6k 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Did anybody tell you you talk too much you don't know what you're talking about let the negotiating people do what they got to do don't add nothing to it like your generation try to do just stick to the facts okay they ask for a billion let's see what happens okay don't say what they might need a half a billion we don't know that you don't know that the man asks for a billion okay do you know can you read that what grade of school did you go through

  • @CapnBreeze
    @CapnBreeze 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    First