Hey Jay! How about spectating more OWL pros? I'd be interested in what you have to say about their plays and how they're different from top 500 players on ladder.
Bro I have played with Top G before. He is honestly insane. Everytine I see him he’s on my team. Played with them twice when they were tank. Honestly great!
As a Genji main, I play with counter force braces (for tennis elbow) and used to wear wrist braces, but now I just use Deltahub’s gaming wrist rest instead of the wrist braces cause I’ve healed and much better than buying a whole new vertical mouse. Granted, I got injured from repetitive motion at work, but gaming and playing Genji most defiantly did not help
I'm not gonna lie, I was expecting to see more high impact, carry plays. But, instead, he just seems to poke and annoy the enemy team while staying alive. Maybe the disruption is sufficient enough to enable his hanzo/mccree to secure kills?
that’s kinda how you wanna play him, you can’t really be aggressive 24/7 otherwise you’ll end up feeding, you just poke and go in when you know you can get away with it
You do realize that going too aggressive with Genji in a top 500 lobby means insta-punish from the enemy team? Especially against a team that has Sojourn/Ashe and Rein/Hog? PS: The way Blizzard just loves nerfing Genji to the ground over and over again, like the recent speed passive nerf, slow Genji is the best Genji playstyle for maximum efficiency and effectiveness.
Yes but if you want to play a slower genji then there’s other dps that play the long game better and don’t have to rely on their cooldowns to get picks
@@GaryAsphodel Have you ever considered the fact that some people have "preference" or "desire to play a certain hero over the other"? Not everyone cares about the meta pick. Otherwise you wouldn't have people like Flats or Bowie playing Rein, when he's so bad now in the meta.
it even looks what? Did you just ignore all the parts where Shadder went in to do the final blows which is a Genji's job? I mean, it's all over the match. I'm just guessing that... you hate Genji because of what you see in lower ranks? It may be like that in there, but to apply or even mention that statement in Shadder's gameplay is a bit too much lol.
About the pain thing I think it depends on the person but I've played Genji since beta and have maybe 1500 hours on him, most of those hours being at a gm level. I'm now 32 years old and have never had any pain or issues with my wrists or hands.
Genji isnt more of a character you cna play and be good as soon as you start playing with him he takes time and learning to be able to play good with genji
Jay have you ever thought about spectating some of the best controller players? However looking in top 500 wouldn’t be the best bet because 90% of them Xim but you could ask for Masters-GM and ask for proof of playing on controller. That’s a lot of work but just thought it would be a good idea
I would love to see what top console gameplay looks like. I’m only silver (I also barely play comp in ow2) but I feel I deserve higher and there’s nothing to go off of💀
@@drearoshalexoxo7326 I mean watching pc players and observing them is perfectly fine. Even if you can’t do the things they do such as 180 flicks you can still take the fundamentals and play style and incorporate it. Also do Aim labs for warm up. Soradot was one of the best console widows and recently came back to make a few videos. You can watch him since he has also given tips and his own aim trainer which I use for warm up
@@B_bang22 Yeah you’re not wrong. I’ve only been playing ow for a year or so. Ive learned a lot from pc players ( positioning, movement and I can mimic their movements in pc pool without aim assist) but I really want to see a comparison of handheld compared to my own controller gameplay. I think it would help me see where I stand.
@@drearoshalexoxo7326 I believe flats did a video on the top ranked mercy player on Switch sometime a while ago, it was pretty funny seeing the difference
See what they don't show is when the enemy team gets pissed they're getting wrecked and then they bring out the torbs/syms/moira and just spam damage heroes. What people don't understand is the fact that Genji is the MOST EASILY COUNTERED HERO IN THE GAME. And i'm tired of seeing him get nerf after nerf because people can't just switch the counter him.
I feel you bro. Im sick of it too People that says he needs a nerf never tried to play him. He's one of hardest character in the game. He has been nerfed since OW1. And Blizzard pushing the hit-scan meta up. Feeling like playing call of duty in a game where you can play a ninja with 1st person view. SMH I dare anyone having at least 10-15hours with him in comp and still saying he needs a nerf..
Season 1 OW1 Genji here haha. I can understand you seeing him as useless but after playing him in both games, there's one key thing people forget. You can play Genji in three different modes (defensive, inline or offensive). He may not do consistent high damage without accuracy unless you get all shurikens on on L1 but he's a planner. If even one person on the other team is mid or low, he can start a chain of execution. He's also extremely deadly to backlines. Take the rein getting "pested" with R1 - sometimes its enough to make him move his shield or change stance which could change the battle. Blade Ult can be used to spread teams (e.g. hey wild animal on the loose - RUN) as well as do high damage. Think of every move in his arsenal being able to assassinate and protect. Nano blade is fun but unnecessary - all you need is swift strike and one kill to start a chain. For my OW1 players, Like if you remember the Genji expert "Knives" from the day haha. Great vid.
Idk if anyone saw this, but I know Jay3 didn’t see this in his Twitch chat, when Jay3 was talking about Ashe and how skillful he is on it and really good, I see in the Twitch chat for a split second and I see the question: “Who’s the rank 1 Ashe?” I was like, what a roast, he thinks you ain’t rank 1 for Ashe, best comment in this livestream 😂
1:30 holy fuck, I never knew poke was good at overwatch, started watching him a few years ago. I was suprised when you actually said pokelawls, I just assumed it was some other poke I have never heard of edit: he was in fucking OWL ?!? edit2: he wasn't in the OWL :( played with team canada in the 2016 overwatch world cup
Now that Jay3 has made a video about genji I can complain. Genji 1v1’s are stupid IMO. Like never once in a match have I and another genji gotten into a completely fair 1v1. It’s not your job to kill the other genji by yourself as genji as the other genji can and will get out before you kill them. Not saying genji CAN’T peel because he definitely can, he just can’t kill another genji easily by himself.
I Wanna see one off these Guys with a team comp or a team is get like sombra hanzo as dps or a damage moira Who doesnt deal damage or a Mercy Who cant heel multiple people this is masters btw
@@_ethanchalmers You know it's a recording ripped from Jays stream from probably a couple days ago, right? Jay3 showed the leaderboard in the beginning. Necros was not on it. At least not higher than Shadder. Maybe Necros is higher now That happens, when people play the game, duuuuuh. But when Jay did this review of Shadders gameplay, Shadder was undenieably higher on the leaderboard than Necros. That's why he put this title. Ok, maybe Necros is higher rn Maybe in a day Shadder is higher again The leaderboards change all the time. He could've reviewed gameplay from Necros as well and the title would've been fine. Shadder and Necros are pretty similar, skillwise anyway
@@datluno they aren’t that similar they play a good amount differently in terms of play style and even skill level, also shadder has 300 more games played then necros and is still 10 ranks lower
Shadder may be a higher rank over Necros but I think Necros is the better Genji Shadder has been playing torb since nerf a lot. And isnt nearly as accurate as Necros.
To the people arguing that shadder is a better genji than necros using leaderboard Leaderboard works differently in ow2 compared to ow1 : people used to get stuck at a high rank even with high winrates, losing more sr than they'd win In ow2, for the same winrate the player that plays more will get a higher rank, and shadder has more than double necros' amount of games played In my own subjective opinion, both players are really good but necros has a better ability to clutch hard games, objectively, it would make sense that the player who kept playing for 3 years while the other took a break eventually gets better, especially because even at the time it wasnt obvious who was better It's not super relevant, but as a fact they played genji 1v1s on ow1 and necros had the upper hand At the end of the day I think both players are great and they respect each other for it, and I'm sure most people say one is better than the other by pure appreciation of the person more than actual analysis of the gameplay
@@MorinoTengu there's still a hidden sr on the server so you can diamond 3 meanwhile on the server your rank is "3228" It's a different problem that affects the very high end of top 500 : once people hit "5000 Sr" (which is possible now because of the phenomenon I've described before) there is no more way to differentiate rank 1 and rank 2, rank 1 being the first to hit 5k and absolutely no chance for anyone else to be rank 1 And again, just like I said before, the one that gets to rank 1 first is mostly the one that played the most games
People always asks "Who's the best Genji?" But nobody ever asks "How's the best Genji?" Depression is real my friends.
Lmao
Bro u good ?😂
damn
Peek comedy.
Do you need someone?
I love it when Jay sarcastically misleads some clueless chatter, gets me every time. And it happens just about every time too 😄
Hey Jay! How about spectating more OWL pros? I'd be interested in what you have to say about their plays and how they're different from top 500 players on ladder.
this is a good idea!
Heck yeah !
I like seeing Shadder and Necros going at each other for who's the best genji 😂
I'd say Shadder is better bc he played in the pro scene and beat Necros a majority of the time in 1v1s.
@@absolute-xero7502well necros played in overwatch contenders
@@joyful_yolk123 Dude, I said Shadder was in the pro scene, that means contenders/overwatch league. He played for team Liquid.
they have, and necros won
@@absolute-xero7502but almost every time they’re in a game against one another Necros cooks him especially when they duel
Bro I have played with Top G before. He is honestly insane. Everytine I see him he’s on my team. Played with them twice when they were tank. Honestly great!
are you like top500
What? This is overwatch.
I’ve played with him aswell in unranked, he steamboated our entire team as a roadhog… he is INSANE
@@wraifed y'all know many people have the same name right I've seen multiple people named Top G in oce console lobby's
So far, I think Necros is better. But Shadder is up there in being one of the best Genjis
Necros is better by a long shot
As a Genji main, I play with counter force braces (for tennis elbow) and used to wear wrist braces, but now I just use Deltahub’s gaming wrist rest instead of the wrist braces cause I’ve healed and much better than buying a whole new vertical mouse. Granted, I got injured from repetitive motion at work, but gaming and playing Genji most defiantly did not help
I'm not gonna lie, I was expecting to see more high impact, carry plays. But, instead, he just seems to poke and annoy the enemy team while staying alive. Maybe the disruption is sufficient enough to enable his hanzo/mccree to secure kills?
I agree this seemed like an average game lol
@@brunoandrea4846 it’s a top 500 lobby. If he goes one meter to aggressive he will die.
@@brunoandrea4846 says the silver
that’s kinda how you wanna play him, you can’t really be aggressive 24/7 otherwise you’ll end up feeding, you just poke and go in when you know you can get away with it
This is what happens when genji gets nerfed to c tier. Same thing happens in diamond+ ranks. All genji is good for is being a nanoblade bot
Man it’s so satisfying to hear someone else say that genji does nothing until he ults. It even looks it
You do realize that going too aggressive with Genji in a top 500 lobby means insta-punish from the enemy team? Especially against a team that has Sojourn/Ashe and Rein/Hog?
PS: The way Blizzard just loves nerfing Genji to the ground over and over again, like the recent speed passive nerf, slow Genji is the best Genji playstyle for maximum efficiency and effectiveness.
Yes but if you want to play a slower genji then there’s other dps that play the long game better and don’t have to rely on their cooldowns to get picks
@@GaryAsphodel Have you ever considered the fact that some people have "preference" or "desire to play a certain hero over the other"? Not everyone cares about the meta pick. Otherwise you wouldn't have people like Flats or Bowie playing Rein, when he's so bad now in the meta.
it even looks what? Did you just ignore all the parts where Shadder went in to do the final blows which is a Genji's job? I mean, it's all over the match. I'm just guessing that... you hate Genji because of what you see in lower ranks? It may be like that in there, but to apply or even mention that statement in Shadder's gameplay is a bit too much lol.
Go check out Necros
"Genji doesn't really /need/ nano..." a single, collective HA from every genji player at the same time
3:42 No one talked about the rail gun deflection there!
u high? nothing happend dude what did u smoke
I wanna see once a Top Hanzo guy like Arge :D
Yesss
I was watching the vid and was like, "This playstyle looks familiar." Then I saw who was playing Genji. Of course you'd be amazed.
3:24 now his blade also useless, Good job blizzard
About the pain thing I think it depends on the person but I've played Genji since beta and have maybe 1500 hours on him, most of those hours being at a gm level. I'm now 32 years old and have never had any pain or issues with my wrists or hands.
6:00 crazy how Jay asks that when shaders injury was in his wrist
This deflect was Godly 3:43
Genji isnt more of a character you cna play and be good as soon as you start playing with him he takes time and learning to be able to play good with genji
Shadowburn will forever be rank 1 genji in my heart
Necros better
nah thats crazy, theres a reason necros isnt in OWL @@Jschu15 🤣
@@Jschu15 necros cheated
I kinda wanna see the top lucio or tracer just for the movement and speed 😂
Jay have you ever thought about spectating some of the best controller players? However looking in top 500 wouldn’t be the best bet because 90% of them Xim but you could ask for Masters-GM and ask for proof of playing on controller. That’s a lot of work but just thought it would be a good idea
I would love to see what top console gameplay looks like. I’m only silver (I also barely play comp in ow2) but I feel I deserve higher and there’s nothing to go off of💀
@@drearoshalexoxo7326 I mean watching pc players and observing them is perfectly fine. Even if you can’t do the things they do such as 180 flicks you can still take the fundamentals and play style and incorporate it. Also do Aim labs for warm up. Soradot was one of the best console widows and recently came back to make a few videos. You can watch him since he has also given tips and his own aim trainer which I use for warm up
console is dogshit smile
@@B_bang22 Yeah you’re not wrong. I’ve only been playing ow for a year or so. Ive learned a lot from pc players ( positioning, movement and I can mimic their movements in pc pool without aim assist) but I really want to see a comparison of handheld compared to my own controller gameplay. I think it would help me see where I stand.
@@drearoshalexoxo7326 I believe flats did a video on the top ranked mercy player on Switch sometime a while ago, it was pretty funny seeing the difference
i don’t know why it bothers me, but the individual shurikens are blue but the spread shots are red. now you can’t unsee it
See what they don't show is when the enemy team gets pissed they're getting wrecked and then they bring out the torbs/syms/moira and just spam damage heroes. What people don't understand is the fact that Genji is the MOST EASILY COUNTERED HERO IN THE GAME. And i'm tired of seeing him get nerf after nerf because people can't just switch the counter him.
I feel you bro.
Im sick of it too
People that says he needs a nerf never tried to play him.
He's one of hardest character in the game.
He has been nerfed since OW1.
And Blizzard pushing the hit-scan meta up. Feeling like playing call of duty in a game where you can play a ninja with 1st person view.
SMH
I dare anyone having at least 10-15hours with him in comp and still saying he needs a nerf..
Shitter 2k was horrendous 😂😂
Widow into the rank 1 genji was an interesting choice
hey jay3 I got in a game with you a few days ago, super fun to play against you. I look forward to you watching me when im rank 1 :D
do u play mercy ? could sworn i saw u in a shadder2k video
6:38 Yeah but you’re still the best at it Jay.
Nice of Tim to give you a vod, Jay
Should’ve reacted to necros
He said 'Rank 1 Genji', Necros peaked like Top 50-60, Shadder has always been in top 10 in the ladder, therefore the highest ranked genji.
Shadder2k is legendary since ow1
Necros better
What's nice playing genji at high rank, you can focus more on your play's and worry less on who's where, they will play their role.
1:41 ML7 would like to know your location for that quote.
Season 1 OW1 Genji here haha. I can understand you seeing him as useless but after playing him in both games, there's one key thing people forget. You can play Genji in three different modes (defensive, inline or offensive). He may not do consistent high damage without accuracy unless you get all shurikens on on L1 but he's a planner. If even one person on the other team is mid or low, he can start a chain of execution. He's also extremely deadly to backlines. Take the rein getting "pested" with R1 - sometimes its enough to make him move his shield or change stance which could change the battle. Blade Ult can be used to spread teams (e.g. hey wild animal on the loose - RUN) as well as do high damage. Think of every move in his arsenal being able to assassinate and protect. Nano blade is fun but unnecessary - all you need is swift strike and one kill to start a chain. For my OW1 players, Like if you remember the Genji expert "Knives" from the day haha. Great vid.
Did anyone else realise that at 3:22 he was shattered and it said he was headshot in the kill cam
one time my brother pulled off a sleep dart deflect which bounced back and hit the enemy orisa
Idk if anyone saw this, but I know Jay3 didn’t see this in his Twitch chat, when Jay3 was talking about Ashe and how skillful he is on it and really good, I see in the Twitch chat for a split second and I see the question: “Who’s the rank 1 Ashe?” I was like, what a roast, he thinks you ain’t rank 1 for Ashe, best comment in this livestream 😂
you help distract me from my depression. thank you.
I already knew it eod be shadder!
Necros is the best genji player of the world, you must watch him
6:16 WOO
she nano on my dragon blade until "I need healing"
Was this one of shadder's off games?
Dude gets 24/7 Mercy sat and now wants a nano to his blade? Damn!
This is what happens when blizz overnerfs genji. Only useful with constant pocketing
I just watched his vid and i see spectating number 1 genji and i was like sure and i just see shader2k
Yes a tiny sword can deflect a giant rocket powered hammer
Genji is the coolest hero in ow
Loved this video. You should spectate joystick. He is insane on the sticks in PC lobbies as a tank player.
facts
That spy face is next level
jay3 shold Spectate pinkji
Imagine reading youtube comments, only happens when you're an amazing person
To be fair, I just started watching the stream when I ask if this was an ELO Hell video
Hey jay3 what is your highest kills on Ashe mine is 44
1:30 holy fuck, I never knew poke was good at overwatch, started watching him a few years ago. I was suprised when you actually said pokelawls, I just assumed it was some other poke I have never heard of
edit: he was in fucking OWL ?!?
edit2: he wasn't in the OWL :( played with team canada in the 2016 overwatch world cup
He wasn’t in OWL. He was a pro briefly before OWL existed
@@NinjaTheBoss66 ahh alright, tried to find more info and looks like he played in the 2016 overwatch WORLD CUP, not the Overwatch league
And now he plays rocket league with X and making music. Lulw
Now that Jay3 has made a video about genji I can complain. Genji 1v1’s are stupid IMO. Like never once in a match have I and another genji gotten into a completely fair 1v1. It’s not your job to kill the other genji by yourself as genji as the other genji can and will get out before you kill them. Not saying genji CAN’T peel because he definitely can, he just can’t kill another genji easily by himself.
After the nerfs he plays mainly torb necros is the real genji main
Listen every hero are strong when in a good hand , but you need dedicated yourself your time to be able mastering that character
Necros finna spawn in the chat
shadder still plays loads of genji since the nerf
*AH YES, GENJI MY LITTLE DARK AGE*
u have to review necros genji
Ash is ur "nano to ur umm bob"
yo bro , what's up ! can u show me how 2 plays top1 hanzo main ?
;D
I Wanna see one off these Guys with a team comp or a team is get like sombra hanzo as dps or a damage moira Who doesnt deal damage or a Mercy Who cant heel multiple people this is masters btw
his mercyy
the sweating guy meme
This gold player is amazing!!!
Always goes for the Lucio once blade is up to get rid of the beat.
"genji is still pretty strong" laughs in c tier
nah man i play max dpi max sense on every game barely gotta move the mouse look across the map
I wish i can play Genji. I mean i can but i die after first dash 😂
Quick tip don’t use dash to engage, use it to get out
Pls do next time number 1 Hanzo I need tips 😂
Look up Arrge, he has some great tutorials and he’s absolutely cracked :)
I always shoot the enemy Hog, he is the best Ult Battery.
I was expecting you to spectate nacros
U should defo spectate broke ow and ask him for a code. Defo like top 3 best genjis out there
Jay definitely has a Ashe feetfettish
React to necros. Dudes insane
if you played with me for one match, I can show you how good of a mercy pocket I am
Necros is higher on leaderboard than shadder?
He literally shows the leaderboard and Necros isn't higher?
@@datluno he didn’t show it but he claimed he’s #1 genji, go check leaderboards for Europe rn dude necros is above shadder
@@_ethanchalmers You know it's a recording ripped from Jays stream from probably a couple days ago, right?
Jay3 showed the leaderboard in the beginning. Necros was not on it. At least not higher than Shadder.
Maybe Necros is higher now
That happens, when people play the game, duuuuuh.
But when Jay did this review of Shadders gameplay, Shadder was undenieably higher on the leaderboard than Necros. That's why he put this title. Ok, maybe Necros is higher rn
Maybe in a day Shadder is higher again
The leaderboards change all the time.
He could've reviewed gameplay from Necros as well and the title would've been fine.
Shadder and Necros are pretty similar, skillwise anyway
@@datluno did you really need to rewrite the exact same sentence 5 times?
@@datluno they aren’t that similar they play a good amount differently in terms of play style and even skill level, also shadder has 300 more games played then necros and is still 10 ranks lower
bro not everyone flicks with there wrist thats whats great about mouse we have are whole arms haha
I have 116 hour Genji used be 197 hours
Thought it be necros ngl
Isnt necros the best ?
your hands and fingers do get sore after playing genji and widow
Shadder vs Necros best 1 v 1
NECROS SUPERIORITY
That’s not necros?
I can’t wait for Ramattra
you Should Spectate Necros
Shadder may be a higher rank over Necros but I think Necros is the better Genji Shadder has been playing torb since nerf a lot. And isnt nearly as accurate as Necros.
look at Necros stream. He has terrible aim most of the time. Lives of flashy plays once a game
@@sica3285 i watch both shadder and necros stream and necros is better imo. Shadder is slow compared to Necros.
@@keagonostler4931 might be slower but way more consistent and does more dmg. He’s way clear, Being flashy and using high sens isn’t everything
@@sica3285 Not in my opinion Necros is far more consistent and every time he mirror matches Shadder he beats him.
@@keagonostler4931 No way is necros consistent
im bronze on tank but when I play with my gold friend I crap on the lobby lol
nice genji
Shadder2k omg I haven't seen that name for a minute and he never got worse
I'm such an idiot, I'm watching the replay and thinking this guy plays a lot like Shadder2k... Yeah...
genji has become so useless in ow2, the game has changed too much
Watch Arrge after he plays against you
Space created.
i thought we gonna se necros :O
I’m stuck bronze support and don’t deserve it
React to Necros next. He is insane
To the people arguing that shadder is a better genji than necros using leaderboard
Leaderboard works differently in ow2 compared to ow1 : people used to get stuck at a high rank even with high winrates, losing more sr than they'd win
In ow2, for the same winrate the player that plays more will get a higher rank, and shadder has more than double necros' amount of games played
In my own subjective opinion, both players are really good but necros has a better ability to clutch hard games, objectively, it would make sense that the player who kept playing for 3 years while the other took a break eventually gets better, especially because even at the time it wasnt obvious who was better
It's not super relevant, but as a fact they played genji 1v1s on ow1 and necros had the upper hand
At the end of the day I think both players are great and they respect each other for it, and I'm sure most people say one is better than the other by pure appreciation of the person more than actual analysis of the gameplay
More time played just afect top 3 or 5 if im not wrong
@@MorinoTengu there's still a hidden sr on the server so you can diamond 3 meanwhile on the server your rank is "3228"
It's a different problem that affects the very high end of top 500 : once people hit "5000 Sr" (which is possible now because of the phenomenon I've described before) there is no more way to differentiate rank 1 and rank 2, rank 1 being the first to hit 5k and absolutely no chance for anyone else to be rank 1
And again, just like I said before, the one that gets to rank 1 first is mostly the one that played the most games
Wait a second this isn't necros