Yes it is up to the individual. We should remember not so many years ago that traditional bow hunters where saying the same things about those who chose the new compound bow. We are all in this together and should be supporting each others choice because if we don't eventually someone will try to take it all away. Keep the shots close no matter what you choose, don't take stupid shots with either one.
@Mid Missouri Mountain Man who cares. And it’s crossbow. People use what they are into. Just because you are into it doesn’t mean it’s the best and you are superior for using it. Good for you.
@Mid Missouri Mountain Man you know what. Real Hunters run and stalk their deer with a knife. Using any range weapon is just lazy. How you feel about that
Lol I watched my sister in law pick up a raven crossbow and put 3 arrows in a 3 inch group at 80 yards. She had never shot a crossbow before that. I know guys been shooting compound for 20 years that still can't shoot groups like that.
@@OutlawOfTexas yes I would for sure. I have both. The area I hunt has deer that a spooked by a mouse squeak by them. I picked up a crossbow and can wait to kill deer with it. No noise before the shot will help allot if you have deer that are spooked easily
Crossbows been around for about 3 or 400 years or more before rifles So they aren't something new I WAS WATCHING THE 1958 CROSSBOW TERNAMENT AND IT SEEMED ANCIENT UNTIL I WATCHED THE CROSSBOW TERNAMENTS IN ENGLAND AND THEY BEEN COMPETING WITH CROSSBOWS FOR A 3 0R 400 YEARS.
yea this dude wants to have an excuse to own a $2k bow, that gets out shot by a 10 year old with a $300 crossbow. I'll never give up my compound, but it doesn't compare to a crossbow, that's why they should have a more limited season imho.
@Mid Missouri Mountain Man meat seems to taste the same with either. That's the end goal here, fill the freezer; not look cool on instagram or test your metal
My dad at 70 years young is still able to archery hunt due to the crossbow. Anyone that says crossbows are cheating or should not be used needs a good hard smack up side the head. Like you said, crossbows open up hunting to so many more people than a lot of people think and the more people hunting only makes the hunting community stronger..... keep the videos coming.
Crossbows simply gave rifle hunters a way into the archery world. Without having to sacrifice the time and dedication it takes to hone their skills with a compound or traditional bow.
I aggree…. Here in new york… they are treated differently…. Compound bow opens September 27 to october 21 then cross bow is open from october 12 to the 21… witch i like and i think thats fair….then one 21 i think rifle opens
@@jonathanng138 sama dengan Indonesia kyak na.....sy pun bingung ingin meng import cross bow bagaimana caranya ,dan merasa khawatir dgn regulation permitted yg di sama kan dg gunfire bilamana oknum berwenang mencari persoalan,atau mencari kesalahan,,padahal sama saja dgn pisau dapur di pakai bila untuk menyusul orang lain akan menyebabkan kriminalitas,perbuatan melawan hukum, tergantung dari pemakaian nya untuk apa..mmg aturan brengsek sekira nya kalau pun itu terlalu di buat jadi persoalan baru
Yep thats why i am now a crossbow hunter now. MD only gives 2 weeks for firearms and that does not include every public hunting land compared to archery which is for 4 mth’s
Good discussion. In the 70's when I started we used traditional bows. Then compounds came out and the same arguments are being used about crossbows. Anyone can shoot it etc. People forget that recurve cross bows predate compound bows by about 1000 years. So it is the compound bow that is the modern weapon. With all the anti hunting attacks we must join together as deer hunters regardless of what legal method you choose to harvest game with.
Oh yeah I forgot I can just cock my compound bow and hold it there without moving until I decide to just simply look through my scope and pull the trigger. Wait! That sounds more like a muzzleloader then a compound bow.
ancient longbows( not english)exist from 10.000 or more. recurve from around 2800 years, as far as i remember in mesopotamia the balista or other things like that 2000 years
@@StealthTRD no I just think crossbows belong with the weapon they mimick the most! Any gun season. It takes all the skill and fair chase out of bowhunting. Like I said it's like being able to hunt with a muzzleloader or shotgun all season long.
@@StealthTRD and bowhunters could easily kill like that. We just choose not to. Its not like it's a hard transition. Most bowhunters do it every year when they pick up a gun for gun season
I have the Excalibur 380 crossbow. That thing is devastating (on whitetail deer) and I haven't used a rifle or anything else since I got the crossbow many years ago. My 8 year daughter is also doing really well with the crossbow. Looking forward to next hunting season with the crossbow!
Excellent video, great job explaining. I use both, since crossbows aren't allowed everywhere I hunt, but when I have a choice, it's the crossbow every time. It's more consistent and hunting accurate out to 50 yards, faster, less movement, can shoot sitting down & less string jumping. I have no problem with the compound & when I hunt with mine, it's easier to carry, light, better for longer walks and easier to maneuver up in the tree. By the way, I still miss sometimes even with a crossbow, and with a gun too but thankfully, it's not that often.
Justin. Thank you for this video. You explained exactly what people need to know. I just started shooting a crossbow last year. I haven’t compound bow hunted for 20 years and felt the crossbow would be more like shooting my rifle. The first thing I noticed was the weight difference. Then noticed how much more difficult it was to push through thick cover with a crossbow. Also fell it is harder to steady a crossbow do to weight. Keep up the good videos and let’s all have a great time in the woods this fall.
@Mid Missouri Mountain Man the same was said by hunters who used long bows and recurve bows to the hunters that started using compound bows. We are all in this together and as hunters we should support each other no matter what weapon we choose. If we don’t stay together someone may take hunting away from all of us. Good luck in the woods this year
I hope you never become injured and unable to pull your compound back. That would end your bow hunting because you could not respect yourself if you use a crossbow. I have no respect for anyone with such a closed mind and hatred. Stay safe and enjoy the hunt.
I love using both! I use both on a ground blind. Awesome video to clear up some things. Both are effective and both will put meat in the freezer to feed our families.
Good points. At 75 I can't pull compound as I had s "Frozen shoulder" for a few months. It is still hurting when I pull it. Crossbow seems to be the better answer for me.. Thanks for the video tips. Michael.
Love my PRIME compound bow. I do own a crossbow. I bought it when my kids were young and I dodnt have much time to practice with the compound. Now that the kiddos are older they shoot the crossbow. Here in Virginia the bow season is either set full season. So its a lot easier for a child to tag a deer with a crossbow during that season.
Great video bro. I been shooting a compound bow for 20 years now. I have killed my share of whitetail. Not until 3years ago I bought a crossbow. Bro! I haven’t touched my Mathew’s since. I find it more challenging to hunt on the ground now with a crafted ghillie leaf suit. I literally took a page from these air soft guys like kicking mustang in Europe. I have had deer walk as close as 10 feet from me. It’s a adrenaline rush! I couldn’t get away with multiple shots with my bow. But this crossbow!😂😂😂😂 so much fun. The first deer I killed with this set up was 10 yards away. I wasn’t behind no cover. I literally looked like a bush ! The crafted leafy ghillie suit is where it’s at!
Great video Justin!! There were some Pros and Cons that i never considered before. I have hunted with a compound bow for the past 35 years and they are far better and faster today and I love he challenge of having to overcome all those variables you mentioned in the video to successfully harvest an animal big or small. And as I get older and my body starts to let me down, I'm sure I will try a crossbow to keep my butt in the woods!!
great point.. both my sons started out with a cross bow and my uncle who is 78 comes down to arkansas and hunts with his cross bow. I finally got my wife in the woods and she started with a cross bow.
I have been shooting a compound for 20yrs and me and a buddy just had a conversation the other day about this, I was old school thinking that if you’re handicapped or just older than a crossbow is a good thing, I used to live in the country and was able to shoot my bow everyday for a few hrs and was really good with it but for the last several years have lived in the city and worked and just don’t have time to put the work in I should so am making the switch to a crossbow!
Thanks for a very fair comparison, after many years with compound and a few with Xbow I like both but prefer my old Mathew’s MQ32 for all the reasons you mentioned!
Thanks to a crossbow I can hunt from August 10th (bow season opener) to December 10th (End of rifle season) I love Crossbows. It is up to the person though. If you don't like them, don't get 1.
Great video. Another thing to note... Never understood why any of the anti-crossbow guys think you have to draw back on a deer and make the shot even more challenging. Just because a person using a crossbow doesn't have to draw on a deer doesn't make him less of a hunter. I hunt with a crossbow and my setups are no more than 40 yards max distance to shoot at a deer. If I'm good enough hunter to get within that distance of a mature whitetail then that's truly saying something about my hunting skills not whether I drew on the buck or not.
@@jobin403 Anything from killer instinct. They have 3 crossbow models above 400fps. Stay away from excalibur, all overpriced, overrated and they've had more recalls than any company...
@@Bowfella I disagree with your assessment of Excalibur. I own one and it's the best crossbow I have ever owned. It's super accurate and fit and finish is top-notch. I actually dropped my crossbow 20 feet from a treestand and it was perfectly fine.
@@duanehensley8835 They have great crossbows without a doubt. But their business model is terrible. They keep trying to push a "super fast" recurve design that is not safe and completely impractical. They always bash other companies for not having "as durable crossbows" meanwhile theirs are famous for exploding limbs and faulty triggers. There is a reason compound wheels were invented. 290lbs should not be on a trigger system.
im new to this and I really think he does a great job of not being bias because I always wanted a crossbow but he has valid points for the compound bow and most ppl favor one side or the other
I shoot rifle/shotgun mainly, but my bi-annual hunting trip up north presents more opportunities with bows, so I bought a crossbow rather than having to learn a compound bow, I figured there was less of learning curve.
i love my compound i never owned a crossbow but this year my father in law told me to take out his, i was able to get a deer and i have to say it was alot of fun. i am thinking about getting one just to use the last week of archery to fill some doe tags and if it gets you out hunting than i am happy for you and good luck.
I would love to be able to use a compound bow again but having both rotator cuffs torn and unrepairable I use a Tenpoint crossbow to keep me in the woods.
For either penetration is the key. Cut on contact or fixed blades, high FOC, and arrow weight all play a factor in effective range and how your arrow/bolt interacts with the animal you hopefully hit.
The lack of a quick followup shot is no longer an issue. The Excalibur TwinStrike can be loaded with two arrows,and the second shot would be faster than a longbow.
I just got my first deer with a crossbow but i wanna try a compound next year… didnt take much practice wise but i spent a day or two sighting and making sure i could get tight groups consistently. I wouldnt take a shot much further than 30yds thats what i sighted for and i just didnt have a place to practice out to 50 so not much confidence at that range. I feel like the most important thing is use what you can get a clean kill with the goal isnt to be leaving deer running around suffering
Both compound and crossbow are both efficient for hunting. The only difference in in power. I myself am a crossbow user and I’ll tell you what, the power of a crossbow meets high for maximum lethal power for killing. I have a Center Point Tormenter Whisper 380.
They feel the same. You pull it, aim it for a while, shoot. I'd go for crossbow because it's way easier to use and get better at, that's if I want convenience and rifles/trapping isn't allowed. If I want archery, I'd go for Trad or modern Trad bows. They're fun to shoot, and the learning curve is a fun challenge.
My excaliber micro weighs 5.2 lbs. My previous exicaliber could be kocked without an aìd, and I shot a deer 3 times because of a bad first shot. I exclusively hunt with a crossbow in a stand or saddle. I can sit motionless and ready forever.
It depends. The crossbow was a major advancement to bows in the middle ages that holds true to today. The cross bow is a point and shoot weapon. In midievil times any shmuck could pick it up and use it. In a pinch a castle could grab farmers or peasants to help defend thanks to the accuracy and ease of point and shoot. The speed of the bolt is also a lot faster than a bow. That being said it has a major drawback. It is extremely slow to load. It also takes a lot more strength to draw the crossbow into position. That being said a bow or a compound bow in this case is a quick fire weapon easier to draw and easier to maneuver with. The drawback is it takes time to master.
Another thing I don’t like about my crossbow is it not shooting fix blades well. Because of the straight fletching it doesn’t spin. This causes poor shoot grouping.
Am I the only hunter that wants to kill the animal as fast and effectively as possible? lol The hard part has nothing to do with the weapon and everything to do with finding the animals without them running away.
Personally compound all day long, however, I have been entertaining the idea of getting a crossbow so that I can take my 7 year old son into the woods.
Careful out there anyone who has purchased a killer instinct crossbow my good friend and a friend of his brothers there limbs blew up in same exact spot 2 different instinct models bought brand new from killer instinct Sunday it happened to both of there's. Prior to that I told mt friend that a bow shop local to me has received several others in with same exact problem. PLEASE BE AWARE OF ANY SOUNDS YOUR HEARING CAUSE LIMBS WILL BLOW UP AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT COULD HAPPEN TAKE THE PROPER SAFETY OF WHERE YOUR FAMILY AND GOOD FRIENDS ARE STANDING WHILE SHOOTING. SO WE CAN ALL HAVE A SAFE HUNTING STARTING BY CHECKING YOUR WEAPON OF CHOICE TO HUNT WITH
Well one of them isn't legal for bowhunting in many places so that makes a pretty clear cut winner to me. As far as range and killing efficiency it obviously goes to the crossbows. An untrained shooter can hit a baseball at 50 yards with a crossbow with a little practice. Takes a lot of work to do that with a compound.
The high performance crossbows have more power and range. The crossbow can shoot arrow further before arrow drops. The scope on crossbow is Easyer to learn
I believe that both are archery equipment. Unfortunately, there are still those out there that reject crossbows and are threatened by them. Crossbows are more popular today than ever before. They are here to stay.
We're using TightSpot quivers as well. They're pretty adjustable, so I would assume you're probably okay. Plus, they sell a conversion bracket which can move the quiver further from your sight and rest.
I started out with a compound when I was 12, I switched to a crossbow when I was 20. I had less time to practice so the crossbow made sense and I been using one for the last 8 years. The crossbow still requires practice,but 20 bolts before the season is usually enough with one . Compared to 40 arrows monthly to keep sharp enough to hunt.
I'm from illinois as well. But would it be safe to say that a crossbow is slightly more dangerous? Kinda worries me puting my fingers in there to put a bolt
Almost all crossbows have an anti dry-fire mechanism, so they can't be fired without the arrow fully seated into the string. That protects you from anything happening while you're putting the arrow in or taking it out. It seems scary at first, but just like any weapon, with proper handling and safety protocols, you'll be fine.
@@bowhuntordie thanks for the information. The one I was looking into didn't have that mechanic but I guess it's best to go for the one's that do have it
Cool, and I'd like you to take those wheels, plunger, whisker biscuit, release aid, peep sight, pin sights off and shoot a bow cut before center and tell me about who "crossbows should be limited to". Anyone with a basic grasp at back tension, bow stance, and drawing the bow can hunt with a compound. It takes 90% of the variables out of archery. I run circles around guys with compounds all the time with my crossbow and it's NOT because of what I use. I've taken deer with recurve but I choose to use a crossbow, not because I'm injured or weak, but because I'm HUNTING for an ethical kill, not target shooting, jerking myself off, or proving something.
mihajlo525 so your saying you walking circles around guys with compounds has nothing to do with having a scope. You probably use a damn rest too. Crossbows are meant for elderly, youth or handicapped. So many keyboard warriors on this topic. I'll shoot against your croosgun any day. Ps crossbows are for pussies
My compound bow is accurate (in my hands) out to 50 yards on inanimate targets. On deer, 35 yards is my effective range. Any farther & the animal’s reaction time and my skill level are limiting factors. My bow shoots 275 FPS on chrono. I can shoot one pin from zero to 20 yards & I need two more for ranges from 25 yards to 35 yards. The crossbows I’m looking at shoot around 400fps, so logic would dictate I could set a single sight reference with a crossbow scope & be accurate from zero to ??? yards. How far could I shoot at a game animal with a crossbow/scope combo & still hit in the vitals?
6:35 On eastern whitetail, here in the south...these ranges, are also similar, to firearms hunts. You'd be surprised, the game opportunity, inside of 50 yards! Here again, go ask a bow hunter. :-)
As an archer that got to experience the birth of the solocam and the tune free era of compound archery, I have noticed that compound bows today seem to need to be tuned all the time, replace OEM strings, 1000’s of dollars of accessories, gear, gear, gear!! My 17 year old did not want to get involved in this constant tuning world. Just too complex and takes the mystique of just shooting and hitting the target. Marketing, greed, and the gear driven focus has spoiled the pleasure of archery. I am not talking about the already “sucked in” twenty something, or the 40 year old that can now afford a $2500 bow setup. They both have become the barometer of this sport. I would love to see young folks not want to pickup the $3500 crossbow. They see ease over the “super tuning” the compound user has to do now to feel like they are doing it right. I am just saying what I see. I have a Mathews MQ1 that I bought new and spent less than $1000 on a normal pin sight, flipper rest, stabilizer, quiver, arrows, tips, release, and case. Still shoots perfect accurate groups and all I have done is wax the string every year. I think this scenario is what the archery industry is trying to stop so they can just make more money.
For me it’s the experience of using a compound bow it’s more surreal. if I could just walk around the woods with a ghillie suit on and a knife that would be next best thing. crossbow is cool but I feel like at that point I would rather just grab a bolt action
Shooting a deer with a crossbow looking thru the scope at 10-15 yards you will get busted trying to find your target. This negates the pulling the string back arguement. The compound bow can be more accurate than crossbows at 30-40 yds when freestand shooting not using a bench or rest. Not every crossbow hunter is using a tripod or rest when hunting. Bow season is bow season. No need for separate bow seasons. Let every hunter select their bow of choice. Longbow, recurve, compound, crossbow. Hunting is about management of the herd foremost. When your tag is filled your done. How its harvested is secondary and really doesnt matter. I use crossbow, compound, and recurve - pros and cons to all.
Haha you will not get busted trying to find an animal through your scope, that's such a tiny movement, not only that you can literally watch a deer walk in from your scope to any distance. Crossbows mimic a gun a heck of a lot more than they mimic a bow that's why they belong in gun season. Let me ask you this what type of hunting does this sound like. "I spot a deer 100 yards away coming straight towards me I raise up my weapon and look at him through my scope coming in to 80 yards now. I don't have to move a muscle as the deer keeps coming. I then with the slightest of movement click my safety off and pull the trigger. Sounds like gun or crossbow to me!!! Now what does this sound like, I see a deer 100 yards away, coming straight towards me I grab my weapon and stay as still as can be, the deer gets within 30 yards and stops behind a tree and I use this opportunity to pull back my bow and wait for him to step out from the tree. I get fatigued as I've had my bow pulled back for what seems like forever so I have to risk more movement and let down. Now my muscles are very fatigued. The deer finally walks out from the tree so I try to pull back again mid draw the deer looks right at me. He finally looks away and I draw the rest of the way and take aim and execute a very hard shot with how hard I'm shaking. Sounds like it could be either recurve long bow or compound to me. All things you would never have to worry about with a crossbow or a gun and that's not even an extreme example.
Honestly anyone can shoot a crossbow but what it really comes down to is if you can pursue a situation with a bow and can hit your target!!!because honestly it comes down to this...if you don't have it, that's just how it goes,find something better that fits your profile...it's easy to shoot a crossbow but primitive hunting comes down to that also...no matter a crossbow/bow it's a very more respective sport where people who use firearms that has a say of what you do...mind you I've used guns myself my family has many...but there's no challenge of using a gun that there is using a bow or cross bow stalking your animal...thats honestly a whole different animal and know one can say shit unless they picked one up themselves and shot one and tried.
Where I'm from you can hunt big game with a 40# recurve or compound bow, but the law requires your crossbow to be 150# for big and small game, is there any logical reason for this or should I just assume whoever wrote these laws have no idea what their talking about?
I think that a crossbow can be slightly more accurate, because you can use a bipod or shooting bags. I think this makes a pretty big difference, but, frankly, you would rarely hunt with a bipod. You could steady your crossbow on the rail of your tree stand. Personally, i am a bit biased towards crossbows, just cause i own one.
Both are great weapons both are great yes the crossbow takes less to learn properly however the range is better with a standard bow however you shouldn’t go past 50 yards on a live animal anyways. But you can with a vertical bow because you can get a second shot off in a second while it takes a minute to re load the crossbow unless it’s the twin strike lol. I would say they are a complete draw.
Scorpyd released a crossbow that goes 480fps (I have the 460fps model) but I carry my barebow recurve for backpacking. Crossbows are easier and more efficient no doubt about that. But any jackoff that says crossbows aren't archery should take the plunger, peep sight, pin sights, whisker biscuit, release aid, and wheels off their compound if they want to be judgemental. Because you can still get good groups at 20 yards with terrible form. Anyone with a basic grasp at drawing, anchor points, and back tension can hunt with a compound. But you know what? It doesn't matter what you shoot because you're HUNTING not target shooting. I'd take a guy with a sharp stick that knows trails and the animal they hunt over some olympic compound guy any day. If what you're shooting launches sticks with a string then it's ARCHERY.
I grew up in state where the regulations/law were that unless you couldn’t pull it back due to health/age you shot a bow. I think maybe b/c of that it’s still ingrained in me. If you’re able to pull a bow back I think you need to shoot a bow. If I see a 20yr old shooting a XBow I can’t help but to internally roll my eyes and think he probable sits down when he pees too.
The crossbow is too heavy, it should build lighter bow like 4 or 5lbs. The Ravin or tenpoint are heavier than a rifle and it's too slow and too noisy when cocking. The mini vertical crossbow are very light, faster and alot quieter.
Yes it is up to the individual. We should remember not so many years ago that traditional bow hunters where saying the same things about those who chose the new compound bow. We are all in this together and should be supporting each others choice because if we don't eventually someone will try to take it all away. Keep the shots close no matter what you choose, don't take stupid shots with either one.
Until guns came along lol
Its not that deep man, it’s just a weapon man.
@Mid Missouri Mountain Man who cares. And it’s crossbow. People use what they are into. Just because you are into it doesn’t mean it’s the best and you are superior for using it. Good for you.
@Mid Missouri Mountain Man you know what. Real
Hunters run and stalk their deer with a knife. Using any range weapon is just lazy. How you feel about that
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Lol I watched my sister in law pick up a raven crossbow and put 3 arrows in a 3 inch group at 80 yards. She had never shot a crossbow before that. I know guys been shooting compound for 20 years that still can't shoot groups like that.
I’ve been interested in using something with arrows. So you’d recommend a crossbow?
@@OutlawOfTexas yes I would for sure. I have both. The area I hunt has deer that a spooked by a mouse squeak by them. I picked up a crossbow and can wait to kill deer with it. No noise before the shot will help allot if you have deer that are spooked easily
Crossbows been around for about 3 or 400 years or more before rifles
So they aren't something new
I WAS WATCHING THE 1958 CROSSBOW TERNAMENT AND IT SEEMED ANCIENT
UNTIL I WATCHED THE CROSSBOW TERNAMENTS IN ENGLAND AND THEY BEEN COMPETING WITH CROSSBOWS FOR A 3 0R 400 YEARS.
yea this dude wants to have an excuse to own a $2k bow, that gets out shot by a 10 year old with a $300 crossbow. I'll never give up my compound, but it doesn't compare to a crossbow, that's why they should have a more limited season imho.
@Mid Missouri Mountain Man meat seems to taste the same with either. That's the end goal here, fill the freezer; not look cool on instagram or test your metal
Crossbow got me into hunting after two years I bought a compound bow and would rather hunt with the compound bow now.
My dad at 70 years young is still able to archery hunt due to the crossbow. Anyone that says crossbows are cheating or should not be used needs a good hard smack up side the head. Like you said, crossbows open up hunting to so many more people than a lot of people think and the more people hunting only makes the hunting community stronger..... keep the videos coming.
Crossbows simply gave rifle hunters a way into the archery world. Without having to sacrifice the time and dedication it takes to hone their skills with a compound or traditional bow.
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@@Ryan-dr5cr I don't know. It sounds like he's pretty happy.
@@gallowglass3764 not him
I aggree…. Here in new york… they are treated differently…. Compound bow opens September 27 to october 21 then cross bow is open from october 12 to the 21… witch i like and i think thats fair….then one 21 i think rifle opens
Some places only allow 1 week of rifle so crossbow helps that
Thats how it is where I'm at looking at a crossbow due to an old shoulder injury
Yeah it sucks in MD luckily I can go out of state
Crossbows illegal in my country :( it considered a high powered rifle here in Malaysia, my country sucks
@@jonathanng138 sama dengan Indonesia kyak na.....sy pun bingung ingin meng import cross bow bagaimana caranya ,dan merasa khawatir dgn regulation permitted yg di sama kan dg gunfire bilamana oknum berwenang mencari persoalan,atau mencari kesalahan,,padahal sama saja dgn pisau dapur di pakai bila untuk menyusul orang lain akan menyebabkan kriminalitas,perbuatan melawan hukum, tergantung dari pemakaian nya untuk apa..mmg aturan brengsek sekira nya kalau pun itu terlalu di buat jadi persoalan baru
Yep thats why i am now a crossbow hunter now. MD only gives 2 weeks for firearms and that does not include every public hunting land compared to archery which is for 4 mth’s
Good discussion. In the 70's when I started we used traditional bows. Then compounds came out and the same arguments are being used about crossbows. Anyone can shoot it etc. People forget that recurve cross bows predate compound bows by about 1000 years. So it is the compound bow that is the modern weapon. With all the anti hunting attacks we must join together as deer hunters regardless of what legal method you choose to harvest game with.
and to add to that... crossbows, and hand-held "ballistas" predated long bows (recurves) across most of Europe.
Oh yeah I forgot I can just cock my compound bow and hold it there without moving until I decide to just simply look through my scope and pull the trigger. Wait! That sounds more like a muzzleloader then a compound bow.
ancient longbows( not english)exist from 10.000 or more.
recurve from around 2800 years, as far as i remember in mesopotamia
the balista or other things like that 2000 years
@@StealthTRD no I just think crossbows belong with the weapon they mimick the most! Any gun season. It takes all the skill and fair chase out of bowhunting. Like I said it's like being able to hunt with a muzzleloader or shotgun all season long.
@@StealthTRD and bowhunters could easily kill like that. We just choose not to. Its not like it's a hard transition. Most bowhunters do it every year when they pick up a gun for gun season
I have the Excalibur 380 crossbow. That thing is devastating (on whitetail deer) and I haven't used a rifle or anything else since I got the crossbow many years ago. My 8 year daughter is also doing really well with the crossbow. Looking forward to next hunting season with the crossbow!
Excellent video, great job explaining. I use both, since crossbows aren't allowed everywhere I hunt, but when I have a choice, it's the crossbow every time. It's more consistent and hunting accurate out to 50 yards, faster, less movement, can shoot sitting down & less string jumping. I have no problem with the compound & when I hunt with mine, it's easier to carry, light, better for longer walks and easier to maneuver up in the tree. By the way, I still miss sometimes even with a crossbow, and with a gun too but thankfully, it's not that often.
Justin. Thank you for this video. You explained exactly what people need to know. I just started shooting a crossbow last year. I haven’t compound bow hunted for 20 years and felt the crossbow would be more like shooting my rifle. The first thing I noticed was the weight difference. Then noticed how much more difficult it was to push through thick cover with a crossbow. Also fell it is harder to steady a crossbow do to weight. Keep up the good videos and let’s all have a great time in the woods this fall.
@Mid Missouri Mountain Man the same was said by hunters who used long bows and recurve bows to the hunters that started using compound bows. We are all in this together and as hunters we should support each other no matter what weapon we choose. If we don’t stay together someone may take hunting away from all of us. Good luck in the woods this year
I hope you never become injured and unable to pull your compound back. That would end your bow hunting because you could not respect yourself if you use a crossbow. I have no respect for anyone with such a closed mind and hatred. Stay safe and enjoy the hunt.
@Mid Missouri Mountain Man I crossbow hunt the entire archery season. Cry harder 🤣
I love using both! I use both on a ground blind. Awesome video to clear up some things. Both are effective and both will put meat in the freezer to feed our families.
Awesome video. I started out with a crossbow, I bought my first compound a few months ago. I love the sport in all its forms
Good points. At 75 I can't pull compound as I had s "Frozen shoulder" for a few months. It is still hurting when I pull it. Crossbow seems to be the better answer for me.. Thanks for the video tips. Michael.
I love virtually all weapons. And the older I get, the more open minded I am about what tools I'm interested in. They all have their place.
Justin you have hit the nail on the head with this . You are 110% correct in your comments GREAT JOB sir :)
Thanks!
Love my PRIME compound bow. I do own a crossbow. I bought it when my kids were young and I dodnt have much time to practice with the compound. Now that the kiddos are older they shoot the crossbow. Here in Virginia the bow season is either set full season. So its a lot easier for a child to tag a deer with a crossbow during that season.
Great video bro. I been shooting a compound bow for 20 years now. I have killed my share of whitetail. Not until 3years ago I bought a crossbow. Bro! I haven’t touched my Mathew’s since. I find it more challenging to hunt on the ground now with a crafted ghillie leaf suit. I literally took a page from these air soft guys like kicking mustang in Europe. I have had deer walk as close as 10 feet from me. It’s a adrenaline rush! I couldn’t get away with multiple shots with my bow. But this crossbow!😂😂😂😂 so much fun. The first deer I killed with this set up was 10 yards away. I wasn’t behind no cover. I literally looked like a bush ! The crafted leafy ghillie suit is where it’s at!
I use a compound and love it. But I’ve always wanted to try a crossbow... they just look sweet
My compound bow is what I hunt with 10/10 times. That’s just me but
I’ve used both for about 30 years, and both have advantages and disadvantages... shoot with the one you like.👍
Yes sir! 👍
Great video Justin!! There were some Pros and Cons that i never considered before. I have hunted with a compound bow for the past 35 years and they are far better and faster today and I love he challenge of having to overcome all those variables you mentioned in the video to successfully harvest an animal big or small. And as I get older and my body starts to let me down, I'm sure I will try a crossbow to keep my butt in the woods!!
I think you are one of first people that said in the right hands.i been saying that for years. Love your channel great work.
great point.. both my sons started out with a cross bow and my uncle who is 78 comes down to arkansas and hunts with his cross bow. I finally got my wife in the woods and she
started with a cross bow.
Both have their place. I use both and you touched on all the reasons.
I like the simplicity of my recurve. Stick and string. Much more rewarding and challenging version of the sport
And the recurve is just generally more pleasant to shoot. In my opinion anyway.
U want a real challenge kill them with your bare hands.
@@skettinbutter3635 no only bare feet
Very informative and balanced review. Extremely helpful to a new hunter like myself. Thank you!
I have been shooting a compound for 20yrs and me and a buddy just had a conversation the other day about this, I was old school thinking that if you’re handicapped or just older than a crossbow is a good thing, I used to live in the country and was able to shoot my bow everyday for a few hrs and was really good with it but for the last several years have lived in the city and worked and just don’t have time to put the work in I should so am making the switch to a crossbow!
im getting older so i like a crossbow
Very thoughtful and well reasoned
Video. Bringing hunters together is
Far more important than what type
Of a bow you shoot.
Thanks for a very fair comparison, after many years with compound and a few with Xbow I like both but prefer my old Mathew’s MQ32 for all the reasons you mentioned!
Excellent summary. The only thing you missed is the advantage a compound bow has at shooting around the tree when the target is behind you.
Thanks to a crossbow I can hunt from August 10th (bow season opener) to December 10th (End of rifle season) I love Crossbows. It is up to the person though. If you don't like them, don't get 1.
Great video. Another thing to note... Never understood why any of the anti-crossbow guys think you have to draw back on a deer and make the shot even more challenging. Just because a person using a crossbow doesn't have to draw on a deer doesn't make him less of a hunter. I hunt with a crossbow and my setups are no more than 40 yards max distance to shoot at a deer. If I'm good enough hunter to get within that distance of a mature whitetail then that's truly saying something about my hunting skills not whether I drew on the buck or not.
Hi Duane,
Kindly advise which is the best crossbow for hunting below 1000$.
@@jobin403 Anything from killer instinct. They have 3 crossbow models above 400fps. Stay away from excalibur, all overpriced, overrated and they've had more recalls than any company...
yeah but you make too much sense! lmao
@@Bowfella I disagree with your assessment of Excalibur. I own one and it's the best crossbow I have ever owned. It's super accurate and fit and finish is top-notch. I actually dropped my crossbow 20 feet from a treestand and it was perfectly fine.
@@duanehensley8835 They have great crossbows without a doubt. But their business model is terrible. They keep trying to push a "super fast" recurve design that is not safe and completely impractical. They always bash other companies for not having "as durable crossbows" meanwhile theirs are famous for exploding limbs and faulty triggers. There is a reason compound wheels were invented. 290lbs should not be on a trigger system.
We need a semi auto crossbow. That conversation should take place.
The ancient Chinese Crossbow.
That would be the EK Archery Adder. It has an integrated magazine and has a cocking lever similar to a springer air rifle.
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I want to learn how to hunt just didn't ever get to make a friend who does. But as I'm getting older I'd love to do this and be safe doing it.
im new to this and I really think he does a great job of not being bias because I always wanted a crossbow but he has valid points for the compound bow and most ppl favor one side or the other
I love hunting KY our crossbow season is only 1 week shorter than our bow season. Mid Sept-mid Jan
Great episode guys good luck this year ..only 4 weeks to go here !!!BHOD
Thanks for the unbiased review. 👍
I shoot rifle/shotgun mainly, but my bi-annual hunting trip up north presents more opportunities with bows, so I bought a crossbow rather than having to learn a compound bow, I figured there was less of learning curve.
i love my compound i never owned a crossbow but this year my father in law told me to take out his, i was able to get a deer and i have to say it was alot of fun. i am thinking about getting one just to use the last week of archery to fill some doe tags and if it gets you out hunting than i am happy for you and good luck.
Great job on explaining the difference in bows. Great video and thanks for sharing it with us.
I would love to be able to use a compound bow again but having both rotator cuffs torn and unrepairable I use a Tenpoint crossbow to keep me in the woods.
For either penetration is the key. Cut on contact or fixed blades, high FOC, and arrow weight all play a factor in effective range and how your arrow/bolt interacts with the animal you hopefully hit.
I think the answer is clear... I need both. lol.
Bingo!
The lack of a quick followup shot is no longer an issue. The Excalibur TwinStrike can be loaded with two arrows,and the second shot would be faster than a longbow.
I just got my first deer with a crossbow but i wanna try a compound next year… didnt take much practice wise but i spent a day or two sighting and making sure i could get tight groups consistently. I wouldnt take a shot much further than 30yds thats what i sighted for and i just didnt have a place to practice out to 50 so not much confidence at that range. I feel like the most important thing is use what you can get a clean kill with the goal isnt to be leaving deer running around suffering
I prefer rifles but want to try a bow so I can start hunting in September. I know some bow hunters only and they get off on the stalk of it all.
Both compound and crossbow are both efficient for hunting. The only difference in in power. I myself am a crossbow user and I’ll tell you what, the power of a crossbow meets high for maximum lethal power for killing. I have a Center Point Tormenter Whisper 380.
They feel the same. You pull it, aim it for a while, shoot.
I'd go for crossbow because it's way easier to use and get better at, that's if I want convenience and rifles/trapping isn't allowed.
If I want archery, I'd go for Trad or modern Trad bows. They're fun to shoot, and the learning curve is a fun challenge.
Thank you very much for your teaching and insight. I’m a new subscriber!
Compound by far
My excaliber micro weighs 5.2 lbs. My previous exicaliber could be kocked without an aìd, and I shot a deer 3 times because of a bad first shot. I exclusively hunt with a crossbow in a stand or saddle. I can sit motionless and ready forever.
It depends. The crossbow was a major advancement to bows in the middle ages that holds true to today. The cross bow is a point and shoot weapon. In midievil times any shmuck could pick it up and use it. In a pinch a castle could grab farmers or peasants to help defend thanks to the accuracy and ease of point and shoot. The speed of the bolt is also a lot faster than a bow. That being said it has a major drawback. It is extremely slow to load. It also takes a lot more strength to draw the crossbow into position. That being said a bow or a compound bow in this case is a quick fire weapon easier to draw and easier to maneuver with. The drawback is it takes time to master.
id take a recurve bow
Another thing I don’t like about my crossbow is it not shooting fix blades well. Because of the straight fletching it doesn’t spin. This causes poor shoot grouping.
Very intelligent man you explained alot thank you for the video
Thanks for making this. Nice job 👍🏼
Am I the only hunter that wants to kill the animal as fast and effectively as possible? lol The hard part has nothing to do with the weapon and everything to do with finding the animals without them running away.
Personally compound all day long, however, I have been entertaining the idea of getting a crossbow so that I can take my 7 year old son into the woods.
Excellent video! Good job Justin!
Careful out there anyone who has purchased a killer instinct crossbow my good friend and a friend of his brothers there limbs blew up in same exact spot 2 different instinct models bought brand new from killer instinct Sunday it happened to both of there's. Prior to that I told mt friend that a bow shop local to me has received several others in with same exact problem. PLEASE BE AWARE OF ANY SOUNDS YOUR HEARING CAUSE LIMBS WILL BLOW UP AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT COULD HAPPEN TAKE THE PROPER SAFETY OF WHERE YOUR FAMILY AND GOOD FRIENDS ARE STANDING WHILE SHOOTING. SO WE CAN ALL HAVE A SAFE HUNTING STARTING BY CHECKING YOUR WEAPON OF CHOICE TO HUNT WITH
Well one of them isn't legal for bowhunting in many places so that makes a pretty clear cut winner to me.
As far as range and killing efficiency it obviously goes to the crossbows. An untrained shooter can hit a baseball at 50 yards with a crossbow with a little practice. Takes a lot of work to do that with a compound.
i just want both
The high performance crossbows have more power and range. The crossbow can shoot arrow further before arrow drops. The scope on crossbow is Easyer to learn
Another huge point for the compound is that you cannot decock a crossbow. Once drawn you have to shoot the arrow
There are actually quite a few crossbows on the market now that can be easily de-cocked.
THis video made it easy what i'm getting now. Crossbow
I believe that both are archery equipment. Unfortunately, there are still those out there that reject crossbows and are threatened by them.
Crossbows are more popular today than ever before. They are here to stay.
What quiver you running by on your VXR? I have the Hamskea Trinity pro rest and believe I will have clearance issues with my tight spot quiver
We're using TightSpot quivers as well. They're pretty adjustable, so I would assume you're probably okay. Plus, they sell a conversion bracket which can move the quiver further from your sight and rest.
You need a licensed to keep a crossbow in Aus but not a compound
What's pracniss? 03:55
I started out with a compound when I was 12, I switched to a crossbow when I was 20. I had less time to practice so the crossbow made sense and I been using one for the last 8 years. The crossbow still requires practice,but 20 bolts before the season is usually enough with one . Compared to 40 arrows monthly to keep sharp enough to hunt.
I'm from illinois as well. But would it be safe to say that a crossbow is slightly more dangerous? Kinda worries me puting my fingers in there to put a bolt
Almost all crossbows have an anti dry-fire mechanism, so they can't be fired without the arrow fully seated into the string. That protects you from anything happening while you're putting the arrow in or taking it out. It seems scary at first, but just like any weapon, with proper handling and safety protocols, you'll be fine.
@@bowhuntordie thanks for the information. The one I was looking into didn't have that mechanic but I guess it's best to go for the one's that do have it
I think you gave a good unbiased opinion but with that said I'd personally like to see crossbows limited to youth, elderly and handicapped.
Cool, and I'd like you to take those wheels, plunger, whisker biscuit, release aid, peep sight, pin sights off and shoot a bow cut before center and tell me about who "crossbows should be limited to". Anyone with a basic grasp at back tension, bow stance, and drawing the bow can hunt with a compound. It takes 90% of the variables out of archery. I run circles around guys with compounds all the time with my crossbow and it's NOT because of what I use. I've taken deer with recurve but I choose to use a crossbow, not because I'm injured or weak, but because I'm HUNTING for an ethical kill, not target shooting, jerking myself off, or proving something.
mihajlo525 so your saying you walking circles around guys with compounds has nothing to do with having a scope. You probably use a damn rest too. Crossbows are meant for elderly, youth or handicapped. So many keyboard warriors on this topic. I'll shoot against your croosgun any day. Ps crossbows are for pussies
My compound bow is accurate (in my hands) out to 50 yards on inanimate targets. On deer, 35 yards is my effective range. Any farther & the animal’s reaction time and my skill level are limiting factors. My bow shoots 275 FPS on chrono. I can shoot one pin from zero to 20 yards & I need two more for ranges from 25 yards to 35 yards. The crossbows I’m looking at shoot around 400fps, so logic would dictate I could set a single sight reference with a crossbow scope & be accurate from zero to ??? yards. How far could I shoot at a game animal with a crossbow/scope combo & still hit in the vitals?
The Mathews is 330 but not really, with a hunting weight arrow your down near 300, 305.
The Ravin R20 for instance is 430 with a 400gr. Arrow.
6:35 On eastern whitetail, here in the south...these ranges, are also similar, to firearms hunts. You'd be surprised, the game opportunity, inside of 50 yards! Here again, go ask a bow hunter. :-)
Excellent video 👍
As an archer that got to experience the birth of the solocam and the tune free era of compound archery, I have noticed that compound bows today seem to need to be tuned all the time, replace OEM strings, 1000’s of dollars of accessories, gear, gear, gear!! My 17 year old did not want to get involved in this constant tuning world. Just too complex and takes the mystique of just shooting and hitting the target. Marketing, greed, and the gear driven focus has spoiled the pleasure of archery. I am not talking about the already “sucked in” twenty something, or the 40 year old that can now afford a $2500 bow setup. They both have become the barometer of this sport. I would love to see young folks not want to pickup the $3500 crossbow. They see ease over the “super tuning” the compound user has to do now to feel like they are doing it right. I am just saying what I see. I have a Mathews MQ1 that I bought new and spent less than $1000 on a normal pin sight, flipper rest, stabilizer, quiver, arrows, tips, release, and case. Still shoots perfect accurate groups and all I have done is wax the string every year. I think this scenario is what the archery industry is trying to stop so they can just make more money.
For me it’s the experience of using a compound bow it’s more surreal. if I could just walk around the woods with a ghillie suit on and a knife that would be next best thing. crossbow is cool but I feel like at that point I would rather just grab a bolt action
Shooting a deer with a crossbow looking thru the scope at 10-15 yards you will get busted trying to find your target. This negates the pulling the string back arguement. The compound bow can be more accurate than crossbows at 30-40 yds when freestand shooting not using a bench or rest. Not every crossbow hunter is using a tripod or rest when hunting. Bow season is bow season. No need for separate bow seasons. Let every hunter select their bow of choice. Longbow, recurve, compound, crossbow. Hunting is about management of the herd foremost. When your tag is filled your done. How its harvested is secondary and really doesnt matter. I use crossbow, compound, and recurve - pros and cons to all.
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Haha you will not get busted trying to find an animal through your scope, that's such a tiny movement, not only that you can literally watch a deer walk in from your scope to any distance. Crossbows mimic a gun a heck of a lot more than they mimic a bow that's why they belong in gun season. Let me ask you this what type of hunting does this sound like. "I spot a deer 100 yards away coming straight towards me I raise up my weapon and look at him through my scope coming in to 80 yards now. I don't have to move a muscle as the deer keeps coming. I then with the slightest of movement click my safety off and pull the trigger. Sounds like gun or crossbow to me!!! Now what does this sound like, I see a deer 100 yards away, coming straight towards me I grab my weapon and stay as still as can be, the deer gets within 30 yards and stops behind a tree and I use this opportunity to pull back my bow and wait for him to step out from the tree. I get fatigued as I've had my bow pulled back for what seems like forever so I have to risk more movement and let down. Now my muscles are very fatigued. The deer finally walks out from the tree so I try to pull back again mid draw the deer looks right at me. He finally looks away and I draw the rest of the way and take aim and execute a very hard shot with how hard I'm shaking. Sounds like it could be either recurve long bow or compound to me. All things you would never have to worry about with a crossbow or a gun and that's not even an extreme example.
Honestly anyone can shoot a crossbow but what it really comes down to is if you can pursue a situation with a bow and can hit your target!!!because honestly it comes down to this...if you don't have it, that's just how it goes,find something better that fits your profile...it's easy to shoot a crossbow but primitive hunting comes down to that also...no matter a crossbow/bow it's a very more respective sport where people who use firearms that has a say of what you do...mind you I've used guns myself my family has many...but there's no challenge of using a gun that there is using a bow or cross bow stalking your animal...thats honestly a whole different animal and know one can say shit unless they picked one up themselves and shot one and tried.
Where I'm from you can hunt big game with a 40# recurve or compound bow, but the law requires your crossbow to be 150# for big and small game, is there any logical reason for this or should I just assume whoever wrote these laws have no idea what their talking about?
I have both and crossbow is way more powerful!! But compound bows r still nice !!
I think that a crossbow can be slightly more accurate, because you can use a bipod or shooting bags. I think this makes a pretty big difference, but, frankly, you would rarely hunt with a bipod. You could steady your crossbow on the rail of your tree stand. Personally, i am a bit biased towards crossbows, just cause i own one.
Both are great weapons both are great yes the crossbow takes less to learn properly however the range is better with a standard bow however you shouldn’t go past 50 yards on a live animal anyways. But you can with a vertical bow because you can get a second shot off in a second while it takes a minute to re load the crossbow unless it’s the twin strike lol. I would say they are a complete draw.
Crossbows are objectively better in ever situation
Short answer. They both are better
Can you reuse the arrows ?
I mean why not
why not both?
Ultimately, I’m out there to put meat in my freezer. Whichever enables me to do that more effectively is what I’m using.
I've hunted with both. I've had success and failure with both. Its about HUNTING, not the weapon you're using.
As a Canadian, it's kind of funny to hear these referred to as "weapons". We call them bows and guns when used for hunting animals.
Scorpyd released a crossbow that goes 480fps (I have the 460fps model) but I carry my barebow recurve for backpacking. Crossbows are easier and more efficient no doubt about that. But any jackoff that says crossbows aren't archery should take the plunger, peep sight, pin sights, whisker biscuit, release aid, and wheels off their compound if they want to be judgemental. Because you can still get good groups at 20 yards with terrible form. Anyone with a basic grasp at drawing, anchor points, and back tension can hunt with a compound. But you know what? It doesn't matter what you shoot because you're HUNTING not target shooting. I'd take a guy with a sharp stick that knows trails and the animal they hunt over some olympic compound guy any day. If what you're shooting launches sticks with a string then it's ARCHERY.
Zarr, bring back the brostache!
Can someone recommend a great compound bow and cross bow for under $500
well explained.
Justin Zarr “ right so....”
great video,,,love it
I grew up in state where the regulations/law were that unless you couldn’t pull it back due to health/age you shot a bow. I think maybe b/c of that it’s still ingrained in me. If you’re able to pull a bow back I think you need to shoot a bow. If I see a 20yr old shooting a XBow I can’t help but to internally roll my eyes and think he probable sits down when he pees too.
Very good video
The crossbow is too heavy, it should build lighter bow like 4 or 5lbs. The Ravin or tenpoint are heavier than a rifle and it's too slow and too noisy when cocking. The mini vertical crossbow are very light, faster and alot quieter.