Staccato P vs. Springfield Armory Prodigy vs. Bul Armory Tac 425
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.ค. 2024
- Comparing three double stack 1911 or 2011 style guns - the Staccato P, the Springfield Armory Prodigy, and the Bul Armory Tac 425.
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All double stack 1911 should cost no more than $1776.
Agreed and if any double stack cost more than 2,000 it better have zero recoil and can take any ammo you throw at it with no jams.
This is the way
Here! Here! 💪🏼
Staccato's are over $2000
@@jesusquiroz2449 right over your head
You can't help yourself - even when reviewing 3 different pistols you still provide us with valuable training advice that we don't get to hear anywhere else. At 14:35 is the first time that I heard that a lower trigger weight will assist you in developing the dexterity/flexibility in your finger to better feel the trigger and thus enable you become a better shooter with practice. It seems counter intuitive, but you make absolute sense when you stop and think about it.
By far the best side by side review I’ve ever watched. Excellent detail. Changed my mind on which i like.
One of the very best gun comparison video's I have ever seen. Tons and tons of fantastic information here, presented quickly and thoroughly. We'll done! Love the Bul Armory Tac!
Oddly, I do not remember seeing your channel prior to today. But certainly happy to see your video. I have been promoting BUL 1911s to anyone who would listen for five years; but they are still difficult to find. You produce a very good video, thank you!
Stumbled on this video. Very glad I did! I’ve been shooting for 53 years. Have competed for 3 decades and carried for duty and protection for 3 decades. It is so nice to finally find someone that actually knows what he is talking about and also understands what is important comparing handguns. Great video. I’ll be looking for more.
I recently bought the 4.25 Prodigy. I had about 12 FTF out of 150 rounds shooting it straight out too the box. Cleaned it and ran another 120rounds with one FTF. Took it home and cleaned it and noticed that it was super dirty from shooting such a low round count but I just chalked it up to possibly being just dirty ammo. I then ran across a video where a guy bought a brand new Prodigy that had no rounds shot through it and when he got it home he cleaned it and his was just as dirty as mine after shooting the 120 rounds. It was concluded that it was the cerakote wearing off from the slide and frame. He ended up doing a manual break in of 3k manual racks of the slide and cleaning about every 250 racks, each time resulting in more and more cerakote wearing off. I did the same break in of 3.5k and took it out to the range and shot 300 rounds without any issue. I’m still doing some manual racks to continue to break it in…with each 250 racks I am getting less cerakote wearing off after each cleaning. I highly suggest new owners of the Prodigy to do a manual break in.
Good info
I believe I know the video you are talking about and he was right. The cerakote was a problem that he fixed. Good call !!! 🙂
I saw this comment when it was a week old, followed the instructions, but probably manually racked mine about 6k times, never had an issue since.
Thanks.
@@jimmysp4des229 GREAT!!! I’m glad that you saw the comment and that you did the manual break in. The Prodigy is a sweet shooter and it can be disappointing when you take it out and it fails on you.
I have a Prodigy 4.25 barrel and haven’t had 1 issue. I’ve only ran 200-225 thru mine. Cleaned it for the 1st time last night and damn.. it was filthy!! I’ll start implementing your suggestions and see how it responds
I'm digging these 2011 comparisons. Great job! Answering the questions on all of our minds
I think you provided a pretty accurate summary of + and - of MIM manufactured parts. Competition amongst the manufacturers is good for consumers.
The grip safety counter was hilarious. Nice video man, keep it up!
It's nice to hear your comments not dumbed down, as an engineer I appreciate the comments that make me learn so I know the reasons companies put in (or not) the features of a handgun. In my research I had already narrowed down my selection for a double-stack 1911 to the Springfield Armory Prodigy because of its features, shooting ability, and price in comparison to the pricier handguns at this stage of my usage.
Nice comparison video. I cannot wait to see the next comparing different barrel lengths.
The TH-cam algorithm worked for me this time to show me you channel. Excellent and informative video.
A very nice, in depth review. The sarcastic humor was a definite plus.
Massive value, one of my favorite guntubers, who has given me harsh criticism that I appreciated. No BS straight up this guy 💯 percent tells it like it is.
I think you have to re-enact the diving football catch into sand as a "torture test" for each gun. I don't make the rules, but those are the rules.
Damn he’s right
Complete with slow motion. Music from NFL Films would be preferable, but might be tricky due to rights issues.
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@@TheHumbleMarksman we’re shilling for this reenactment to happen.
Im down with that, but no Nerf balls. And I dont know how they grade sand.. but.. coarse.
Dude. Awesome video. You're spot on. I bought the Prodigy to shoot, not carry. I even bought the 5" knowing I was never going to carry it AND it was heavier. I absolutely love shooting it.
Seems like a fair and balanced comparison review as I can imagine different people finding good reason to pick any three of these guns. Personally the Bul does it for me, once the Prodigy was announced I held out on buying one but this video was what i needed to finally make that decision. I see why someone would choose it, but the grip, safety, trigger, and carryability are all too important to me.
Appreciate your middle of the road review; hitting the the high points of each pistol. Again, excellent review. Congrats on the growing viewership. I always like it when a Texas boy does well (;
I must agree with you, I am old & prefer to stay at home at night. I use my lights, primarily, as a weight. My FN 45 Tactical is my bed side weapon & use that light as a light. Thank you for your content!
I want to thank you for BDE and keeping the channel clean. I have two youngsters that like to watch videos with me, and the list of channels I can let them watch keeps getting shorter.
Excellent video. You do a superb job of highlighting some of the details between these guns. Personally I don’t think a buyer would be disappointed in either of them, as long as they consider the guns intended role and buy accordingly. The small things matter.
Either? Either means 2.
@@scotanderson2854🫥
WOW, that was a long video David!! You killed it with your breakdown of these 3 awesome handguns! With the different price levels of the guns, most of us would probably be buying the Prodigy. From what you have said about the Prodigy and other TH-cam channels, it will be a fine handgun to carry! Have a good one Brother!
Really good comparison you done here, my choice in the run BUL , Staccato, and Springfield, it's just a personal choice based on mostly price, weight , and what I'd rather carry. Well done 👍😎🇺🇸
Back in high school, my best bud's step dad was Virgil Tripp. The T in STI. I worked at STI for a summer. They were only making parts at the time. The only job a regret leaving.
Phenomenal, very detailed comparison of three beautiful guns !
Not overthinking this one, getting the 4.25 DS with the red dot for my new range toy.
Great review of the three!
Great breakdown of all of these three guns. Thank you
Good job, great video from a fellow Texan ! Recently bought a Prodigy 5" haven't shot it get, but I have been practicing indoors on LaserLyte Targets to get used to the gun and trigger
Your transition animations in this video are on point.
Mr. Humble Marksman, you do a great video. Thanks for such a great comparison. I'm real excited about the SA Prodigy since I've wanted a Staccato but I'm a Glock shooter and think in Glock Currency - the Staccato costs like 5 Glocks. Not sure I'll still forego the Staccato for the Prodigy, but you're helping the decision...
Thank you that was a great video and informative for the folks that don’t shoot guns at this level. It really makes me want to get a Bull!
B u l, not Bull.
Excellent comprehensive review as we have come to appreciate 💪🏼
One point, perhaps a Bill drill comparison or similar?
Would've been a rip to see those run full throttle
I have the 5” Prodigy and it’s running great. I did change the recoil spring before shooting it to a 12# recoil spring. So far ran 650 rounds of Winchester, Federal, Remington and Browning with only one FTE (From Winchester). I did oil and clean as well before shooting it for the first time. I also decided to change out the disconnector because there was a drag. I changed it to the Wilson combat disconnector and I did notice a significant improvement but every now and then I do feel a drag after racking it manually a bunch of times. I would say the next step would be tuning the sear if I want it completely drag free. However, from old 1911 timers from forums that have experience with 1911s, they say that disconnector drag goes away if I keep shooting 🤷🏻♂️. I do enjoy the gun a lot and glad I bought it the only expensive part to add on is the guide rod replaced with a Dawson precision tool less guide rod. I wish Springfield never used that guide rod that needs a tool 😕. Just wanted to offer my experience with the Spring Field Prodigy 5”.
Have the prodigy 5” and put in a 12 lb spring, it runs great. Zero issues now!
Add enough Dawson Precisions parts and you'll end up w a Staccato!
Too many problems so far.
@@locoflahute8916 lol
As a newbie 1911 shooter, would it be recommended to get the bul since you did spend more for the prodigy upgrade?
Thanks for keeping your word & putting out this kick ass video brother!!!
Had my 4 1/4 inch prodigy to the range today she worked flawlessly both magazines and three different kinds of ammo very well pleased * did takedown , clean & lube first
Excellent comparison, very unbiased and professional 👏.
Now tell Bul they will make lots more sales if they get more product into the country.....love the looks of their shorty UR and their comped gun..
I hate the look of the comped UL! It looks like pig snout. I am actually waiting for them to change the design before I buy one.
Great review @Humblemarksman. I think your the first to show the Bul compared to the Prodigy. It’s the closest cost wise.
Great comparison. Great level of detail. Looks like you were @ FGC in the indoor shot.
Thanks for the vid, these are exactly the 3 guns I'm looking to compare and buying one of them next year. My only problem with bull armory is their 2011 are impossible to find.
Another great vid bro! And its sealed the deal for me…im getting the bul 4.25!
Very well done comparisons...I'll keep my new Atlas Athena, thank you very much!
Bought a staccato P today only because I couldn't find a bull armory around anywhere. When they get more made I'll be picking up that Bul Tac ASAP.
Awesome review, really appreciate the info, I think I had settled on buying all 3 before but now I think you really talked me into it.. I have not had any luck finding a dealer for bul at this time, or anybody that has the Springfield yet, the staccato (yes I said it) it’s just a kidney sale away! We appreciate the work you do and in small ways wish we were you. Lol
I'm looking forward to the Girsan 2311 and the LFA Apollo 11 coming out soon, the two are both 2011 style pistols that cost LESS than a thousand dollars.
Your review on them both and assessment on how much it will cost to make them equal to the Bul Armory will be helpful.
I have the Bul Armory Tac 4.25 and love it!!
I still haven't seen anyone review the bul tac pro model with the ported barrel. Love your content!!
I watched the Robbie Weaton video about the duramags and ordered the new springs, followers, and magazine spacers from Grams Engineering…
I got the Dawson tooless guide rod and Taran Tac +1 base pads and I over lubed and racked the crap out of it (2500+) times and that got rid of tons of the Cerakote on the rails and completely got rid of the disconnecter drag….
I have 500 rounds of 124 9mm coming…
I’ll let you know how it goes…
Great “Humble” review as always w/ the BDE…..lol
Great video well done. Was comparing these three guns and this video really helped.
A solid comparison video! Would love to see you get your hands on the 5” Bul.
Great review, i have the Bul Armory SAS2 Commander and Staccato P and my Staccato P is my wouse.
I am really pulling for SA to knock this offering out of the park and for them to offer an upgraded version in the near future. I would buy a But Armory TAC immediately if one could be found at a reasonable price (not jacked up above MAP pricing. Staccato rocks, but that is above my pay grade or willingness to step up to that price.
I'm so glad you called out those who are quick to throw around the 'shill' label. You were classy and subtle about it, but you addressed it. Thank you.
Really appreciate the level of detail you go into on these vids.
...also appreciate the jokes! I almost coughed up my coffee when the Red Schill Demon came up.
I’d take the Bul cause I have one of their 1911’s and the triggers are generally better OotB for an off the shelf 1911/2011 . IMO, this platform is really all about the trigger. I guess if you want to carry one , you may want a heavier trigger pull but that’s what the safety is for ? The assumption being, once you’ve taken the safety off , you intend on firing the pistol .
Bul armory is insane quality for the price. They make the desert eagle 1911s.
Nice, the 3 newer 2011 style guns all together! I think of the 3 as the Staccatto as the Ferrari , Light weight, most expensive, most hand fitted and leader of the type. The Bul, the Ford GT, super light, fast and clean and finely machined but at a price point 1/3 less. The Springfield, the working mans version of the other 2. Kinda Corvette like. Built in the same style with lesser parts and less hand fitting, but at half the price of the Staccatto. I think your review summed them up very well. Glad to see the 3 guide rods compared! Nobody else has shown that. I am still saving for the Bul.
This video confirmed it. I'm getting the Prodigy and putting a Cheely aluminum grip, EGW internals and lightening the slide. All finished will be about the same $ as Staccato with a much nicer grip and trigger. I was leaning Bul but already having 19 STI mags sealed the deal.
Best video comparison ever in the class of guns. Thank you. You could drop the BDE schtick, but I get it and it's ok.
Ok Bon Jovi
Best review I've seen so far. Great job.
thanks!
Great comparisons. Only problem. I can't afford all three and you gave great reasons to own them all.
David, great review as always 💪⭐️. That was a lot of great info on the three.
I have all three now and going in 1/2 Staccato and BUL are very close. I personally prefer the BUL but it could go either way. The Springer was third and I figured it would be there when purchased. The springer has some issues I’ve never experienced in the other two and needs some upgrades. Wish it had a magwell like the other two. Changed out spring and that helped. Trigger is better in the Staccato and BUL by a long shot over the springer.
My option still has not changed after comparing all three 1/2 Staccato & BUL and a distance third the springer. So when you add the upgrades your at the BUL price point. Witch I feel is the best of the three.
Always enjoy your reviews and learn a lot. Very information as usual from you
Keep up the great work. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
I have Bul EDC. I carry every day and I train every weekend. I have the bull 🐂 barrel. This pistol is amazing to shoot. I train with the 45 and the 9. I'm not worried about the ammo prices. I feel it's better to train like you fight. The trigger on the Bul is amazing.
Thanks for the in-depth review.
I got that Bul Sas Tac 2 month ago and ended up buying th UL 3.25 to carry there are insane.
I have the c2 limited and the p.
It’s used all the crappy cheap ammo I buy. From steel case to cheap brass. Never used aluminum yet.
But it’s worked fine so far. I’m going to test some browning ammo soon. I just got it.
I put a Dawson 4.15 tool less guide rod in my Bul SAS II lightweight 4.25 pistols. It works with no problem.
Great review. The only thing I would push back on is that the 10-8 recoil plug (similar to what Springfield used on my 6" 10mm TRP Operator) should have been your third option with regards to the the stupid 2 piece recoil spring Springfield used in this pistol.
Great Video, I was dying with the shirt hahahah. I just realized how uneducated I am with the 1911 (2011) platform. I own a Staccato P with the Aluminum Frame, and Staccato C2 that only comes in the aluminum frame to my knowledge. The Staccato P has a much better new tactile grip, but the Staccato C2s grip just sucks, so I sent it out to Darkside Precision to get that secure concrete grip, they also do a double undercut and grip
reduction. I’m purchasing the Bul Armory next , the lightning cuts actually serve a purpose rather than just reduction with slide weight. You can oil the Bul Armory at a moments notice and that’s huge. Again thanks for the video, education, and your unrelenting honest take. It would be great if you started offering classes at some point, but I know you have competition, this channel, and that dad job. Looking forward to more knowledge. Much obliged big guy.
Thanks for the great reviews! I would like to see the 5in vs 4in
I have both 5 & 4 .25 inch prodigy and both run smoothly no problem i been shooting them for three months now waiting for a 3rd one that im going to have ported and change grip handle to metal one. I love this gun.i want a staccato p to see how they run!
Another great video! Lighting and audio quality in the studio look and sound great as well.
Also a request for a future video: Can you discuss proper grip for large handed shooters? My dominant hand covers most of the grip leaving little grip space for my support hand. Any tips to address this? Looks like you have this piece nailed down with your recoil control.
0:28 - ROFLMAO !!!
That's my three boyz' as soon as I get home. Dinosaurs, questions, over-talking each other, and all. I look forward to it every evening.
You are the surgical scalpel of reviewer's. But what's cool about you is the self deprecating humor and humor in general that you bring to the 2A community. I can show this gun review to non gun people and I think it would hold their attention and make them laugh. Most of all I think non gun people might come away with a different view of the 2A scene compared to what the big media likes to portray..
I would love to see you and Colion Noir team up and do some gun review's together...
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I think you truly get what you pay for with these 3 examples, and the fact he uses the bul in competition and does really really well says a lot. I think the bul and the staccato are the best of the bunch and are pretty much stepping stones. Get the bul and master it, then get the staccato and remember why you love a 1911. Great no nonsense review Marksman!
I just got my first 1911/2011 or whatever you want to call it. I really wanted a staccato c2 but I just couldn’t justify it as a carry … that I probably will not carry that much as my custom Glock 43x or custom 19c is just much more comfortable, concealable, and lighter, at least after owning the prodigy 4” for 2 hours. I’m going to port my prodigy and get a trigger job, and swap out the internals. After I do this, I probably could have just bought a c2.. but … baby steps. Thanks for the video.
I have both staccato p and c2. Run great can’t remember the last malfunctions. Never shot the bul. I picked up the prodigy this summer and problems galore. Front sight fell off. Lots of feeding issues. Sight plate cam loose and yes installed to exact specs. And the latest. The right side safety fell off. I fixed all these myself cause I’m impatient. But yes now that it’s broke in it’s running a lot better and is the one I shoot better with. And I agree. More pleasant to shoot. Won’t bet my life on it tho.
I’ve been disassembling my Springfield TRP with a hex key for about seven years, and it’s a hell of a lot easier to disassemble than my Nighthawks, simply because the slide to frame fit is so tight on the Nighthawk that it takes me 10 minutes to remove the slide stop. Geeez
The staccato is the OG of these types of guns. The first one I ever shot and it’s been a goal since. I just can’t get myself to pony up that kind of coin for what is essentially a toy.
Not og at all
Another good one! Thanks for the share!!
I had to send my Prodigy back due to the Sig Sauer ammo, it jammed inside the barrel, had to take to Gun Smith for them to remove the live round, Now it's been with Springfield Warranty for a month. Yeah!!
Nice I've been waiting for this
That was a good video about these different manufacturers products, I was interested in the differences between these guns. Pretty good video for a 2011 shill😊😊
This is probably the best gun review video I’ve ever seen. Ever. Honest opinion, no BS, all meat, no fluff. Thanks.
I recently bought a new 4.25 Prodigy DS. Have run about 1,000 rounds through it. Maybe 5 or 6 FTF's - I'm going to try out a Staccato magazine and see if that helps. Overall, very happen with the pistol. Great feel and not much muzzle flip....
Would love to try the Prodigy. But my SA35 needed an actual Browning extractor and mag tuning right out of the box. I’ll save up for the BUL. 👍🏻 thanks for the video…I Sub’d. 😊
20:53 yup he’s right , that helps my g19 settle gentler when I shot my +p controlled chaos 9mm from underwood. My g19 Is ported too.
Great vid. I am planning on getting a SAS II Tac 5 and have watched all your reviews! Very helpful! One quick question, can I get some extra magazines with Bul Armory or one of their dealers?
I really appreciate the comparison videos. BUL is underrated.
Bul probably doesn't have the production capacity to satisfy the demand they could generate with more aggressive marketing.
Great guns, but they probably couldn't keep their quality at the same level if they sold three or four times as many firearms as they do now.
All three are nice guns, great review. I own a C2 and were looking at the prodigy, though I don’t really see a reason to add one to my collection. Springfield basically copied the Stac P, add a DLC barrel and you basically have the same gun save for some minor differences.
Now the ammo issues I don’t think are a result of the ammo itself but more so the Staccato magazines. I have those stove pipe issues with my C2 no matter the ammo. To verify, I loaded one mag with S&B, another with Sig Elite, and another with Hornady. Each mag experienced the same issues; a round chambered, dump the mag and a round would fall out. All three had double feed issues, with all types of ammo. Each mag had the same issues where manually stripping a round the following would slide 1/2 the length of the previous allowing it to be pushed out of the magazine.
When the slide cycles and eject the casing, a loose round is already out and dwelling in the breech, then your slide attempts to strip another. It doesn’t happen every time, but it happens enough for me to deem the C2 unreliable, and shelf it over my Sig as my EDC. I measured the top of the Stac mags which hold the round and act as a guide before tge round hits the feed ramp vs my other 9mm mags. The Stacs are about 1/8-1/10th shorter in length which allow a round to prematurely rise before being stripped by the slide, resulting in stove pipes and double feeds.
great review! thank you. direct, clear very well done.
This things gonna be insane if a custom shop gets ahold of it. Something like what Hayes Custom does with the RIA Tac Ultra. New coating, trigger work, reliability tuning, etc around $500. Somewhat custom 2011 experience at reasonable price
I found there is nothing the Tac Ultra needed except for the cheap plastic instead of fiber optic material. That was changed immediately. Sorry, I forgot I had a trigger job. It's two pounds.
Thanks for sharing with us.
THANK YOU for the point about MIM. People seem resistant to the concept that MIM technology has improved quite a bit. I've never had a MIM part break contrary to the lore out there.
It’s in a ton of guns we consider the most reliable - I don’t get it
@@TheHumbleMarksman I don't either. Folks from the 1970's though continue to shout at their keyboards
@@GBGunsI think it was your breakdown, but someone broke down a Bul and found all the mold marks and seems with filed off suggesting they were oversized and fitted to the gun. Tool steel is better, but if you're going to MIM, that's the way to do it.
Stacatto xl w/ dragon scale grip module is the greatest thing I will ever own, and you can't convince me any of those 3 perform as amazing as the XL
1911's love grease over oil in my experience. I have fully cleaned and lubed a gun, placed it away and grabbed it a year later for it to feel bone dry. Switched to grease and have a functioning lubricated gun years after cleaning.
Depends on the gun and how much your are shooting - if you are shooting a lot eventually all the extra crap emulsifying the oil to make grease is stuck in the rails - introduce grit and it becomes a lapping compound. I would rather have to re-oil after storage - personally.
Been an STI guy for years, I see no reason to switch now. Virgil made my origional Eagle in 40, I still use it. My Costa Comp gets ran also, the C2 is my EDC.
Yeah, I'm country and brand loyal.
My 4.25” Prodigy is running like a top, but the front sight has fallen off. Twice. It’s going to Harrison to have a new fitted sight pinned in. After that it’s getting an EGW ignition kit and will still be well under $2k for the gun. Oh, and my LGS has Prodigy mags for $39… already have eight.
Bul is kind of the Glock of 2011's? Great video. I've been waiting for the Bul to come out for over a year and thought, It's never coming here. I bought a Prodigy. Now the Bul website has dropped the price, has a store and actually takes orders on them. I'm hoping the start showing up in Gun store this year. Great video.
Great review! I have a Staccato XC with which I’m quite happy. Bul Armory pistols are very impressive as well as the new Prodigy. I’ve seen a few reviews showing some problems with the Prodigy, but as you mentioned, just a few teething problems that eventually will be ironed out. Make your choice and enjoy shooting your new pistol.