The OG 2011 - Staccato P
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.ค. 2024
- Staccato started life as STI - and they were the ones who first put the term "2011" on the tongues of competitive shooters across the world. Fast forward to now and they're called Staccato and they're trying to put 2011s in the holster of first responders and militaries.
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0:00 Intro
0:42 Axil XCOR
1:19 Staccato History
5:07 Why is it so expensive?
7:21 Does it shoot better?
10:17 Not for Beginners
12:23 Features
17:52 Who is this gun for?
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Always love your videos! Keep up the amazing work!
I have and love my P and C2! Thanks for another great review!
Just another great review David!! That is an awesome gun for sure! Maybe one day. Have a good week Brother! A tour of the Staccato plant would be awesome!!!!!
Bought this gun a few months back I’m just over 2k rounds through it and it is amazing. Daily carry a xmacro and I love that gun as well as my g47 service pistol but this staccato shoots far superior to both of them! You feel the quality immediately. Very expensive but man if you got the money laying around or you deserve a gift this is it
Had an sti 2011. Ran it for a couple matches and it failed me more often than not. Sold it. Now reconsidering them because they actually work right now
Good review as always. Do enjoy it when you shoot a review pistol at a match and report on anything you notice. Thank you.
Great job man 👍🏻 Thanks !
Great episode
Excellent timing - I love your content and I’ve just been thinking of buying one of these!
I cant reccomend them enough. I have 3 STI/Staccato pistols. I wouldn't part ways with any of them.
Buy once cry once my friend.
Do it. Go try it out in limited optics. I ran mine in open at steel challenge yesterday since they’re not into limited optics yet. Dropped 1 minute overall vs my Glock 17.
Nice piece!
Great video and great do it all gun.
Can you compare some 2011s??? Like the MPA DA vs the Staccato vs etc???
Your the best gun tuber on TH-cam for a while now
Please do more podcasts ❤
This may sound crazy to you, but I have the same P as you, and I used a wood rasp to rough up the texture and now it is amazing! I also have the new texture on my C and I like the rasped old texture better.
Just got some atlas mags for mine. The staccato mags work fine but needed a couple more so got atlas. They def lock back more reliably and drop easier when empty. $100 a piece though.
I really agree with the review. My P with the Dawson comp is my favorite pistol to shoot right now for all the reasons you said.
How effective is the Dawson comp? I've been kicking around the idea of adding one to mine.
@@thefrogking481 Honestly, I like it better than the XC in terms of reducing muzzle flip. The XC is faster and front site does not move but it is also more of a competition gun.
Just picked one up with the ice comp. So sick!
If I were still in law enforcement (I'm REALLY glad I retired), the Staccato P would be my choice for uniform carry. I have the Leupold DeltaPoint Pro on my P (and on my C2). The optic is direct mount with a $50 kit from Dawson. Nice review.
Did you get tired of harassing people for a living?
@@mauricemaurice123 Since we've never met, I'm guessing you have a prejudice against law enforcement officers. And for the record, I didn't harass folks, I just did my job as a professional for 38 years.
@@mauricemaurice123When will you get tired of revolving your life around the news?
Since you have both the c2 and p, do you notice a major difference between to two?
I agree. My entire LE career we were issued Glock 22 Gen 3 rtf, then the Gen 4. If I was still on and had a choice, it would be the P. I have the P, the Heritage P and the C2. All three shoot great. The c2 is a bit better for concealment as it’s smaller and lighter, but in a duty belt the P would be it.
Sucked it up and bought one a couple of months ago. Could not agree more with your review. It shoots amazingly well, reliability has been great thus far. I am struggling on the optic choice as I have been running it with irons. I am leaning toward Holosun, but that Steiner looked good on your set-up. Great review thanks
I just put a 509t mine and I like it so far.
I love it so much that my second one should be at my ffl tomorrow!
Whoa! Nice
Great review. I believe they now come with the Dawson plate. At least the P and XC i bought this year did.
The XC I just bought did - the 21 I bought used didn’t
Very well said.
Looks good with that MPS on it.
love the buccees hat
You did a good job of presenting what this gun brings to the table and what it doesn't.
There's nothing these pistols don't bring to the table.
@@cl790305 Someone hasn't shot a higher end 2011
@@LordPerique someone hasn't seen the inside of my safe.
@@cl790305 You mean to tell me that you don't usually shoot accurately faster with a 9mm 1911/2011 compared to speed of accuracy with most other types of pistols, even if by fractions of seconds?? Because that's what they bring to the table (speed of accuracy) for most other shooters, including myself, specifically because of the trigger type and the caliber.
@@SectionChief I'm not sure where you are going with that statement 🤔 makes no sense. Based on the comment or my reply... but whatever bro
I’d like to see a comparison between the Staccato and an Atlas (Athena???), a Hayes Custom Cobra HC1911 and a Hayes Custom RIA Tac Ultra HC. Also, a separate review of an Atlas Nemesis to find out how effective a sight block actually is at returning to zero. Before the weekend would be great. Thank you in advance.
STI… I mean Staccato is really pushing the platform forward to be generally accepted in edc/duty…. And I for one am very happy
lol I pin one and tape the other. Love my XC and C2 just sold my P. Lot of fun to shoot.
Good video
I carry the P as a duty gun. The safety is easily taught. We do the same manipulations with ARs. The P is an excellent duty pistol. I know you said the trigger is heavier at 4lbs. Most agencies will not allow more less than that (glock is 5.5 lbs).
I bought a Bul SAS ii Tac Lite a few months ago. Gun is amazing. Just got the Bul Ultra. I’m torn between the Staccato and waiting on the new Bul SAS ii Tac Pro coming out. Great video as always.
In the Bul ecosystem now it probably is pretty good to stick with it?
@@TheHumbleMarksman I can’t argue with that. It’s pretty telling how well the Bul upper stuff does in the secondary market as well.
Truly accurate pistol w/iron sights offhand out to 70 yards in my case.
I come for the dad jokes.. I stay for the gun reviews.
even more appealing
I got to shoot one this weekend and was surprised how heavy the trigger was. Then I remembered it was a duty gun and asked to see an XC at my range and that’s what I expected the trigger to be like! Im buying the prodigy with my military discount and replacing the mim parts and trigger. I’ll be able to totally customize it with an optic and all the goodies before I hit the price point of the staccato. Plus I like to tinker with stuff so modifying the prodigy is more appealing to me.
I put an atlas trigger on mine and he did a little smithing as well got me to 2.5
I’d skip the Prodigy. Look at BUL Armory
@@meatsweats4103 I second this
Thanks
Just got the p and the xc ❤
Also Dawson precision instructs you to oil all or most of their iron or fiber optic sights ….
Love the channel and content. Just watched your video with Steve Anderson.👍🏼 Ok, Staccato P. Steal frame, or aluminum and why? Also is it true 2011,s are will now be allowed in carry optics?
Nice! Saw my first one of those at a Steel Challenge yesterday. Dreamy, for sure.
I would love to see you do a video of best to least best on DS 1911 starting at the $1500 mark, up to that Staccato
I think he kinda did that when he compared the platypus, staccato and prodigy
@@JakeCamo Okay, so you feel he was using those as the top 3 of that tier? Interesting
@@njcranes I think the bul armory would probably be in there as well, outside of that I feel most good 2011s are more than stacattos (but im no expert, maybe he will chime in or someone else)
@JakeCamo yeah, I like that Bull Amory one too. Seems like a buyers market in that 15 hundy range. Lots of good pistolas. 👍
Good video. But, “expert gun”? As a 60-year shooter (“I’ve been shooting 1911’s longer then you’ve been alive. 😂”), given the level of instruction provided to most new shooters with their 20-something ego’s attached, I would agree. But then, the U.S.Army would start officers and others with a High Standard .22 then transitioned directly to a 1911. These “90-day wonders” were hardly‘Experts’. But then, it was war time.
So keep the videos coming. You do an excellent job and as a ‘grandpa’ I appreciate your ‘Dad Jokes.’ 😊
Agree completely.
Which optics plate is that? I’m asking because they don’t offer one for the Steiner MPS specifically. But they do have the ACRO option.
I'd like to see you compare it to the 3011
How is the nose reduction on the AXIL XCOR's with indoor ranges?
I pin almost all of mine & I’ve even used Ranger Bands in the past…Some ext bumps still don’t work for my hands. 😂
They are Great Guns and Made in TX 🤘🏼.
You and I have debated this very topic on your channel more than once. We can still agree to disagree, I suppose.
Personally, I'm a leave it alone type guy.....
Manage your risk as you see fit- I have dropped enough guns to view it as necessity that they are drop safe
@@thefrogking481 Like I always say do whatever works for you.
@@TheHumbleMarksman There are some brands you definitely don’t want to drop! 😜
@@pistolpete1 😎
Okay it is between this or the new sas 2 pro tac from bull armory , want to see if recoil is just as good as a ported Staccato P ???
It'd be fun to compare it to a DWX Compact.
Standard C2 yeah maybe... P is bigger and heavier. The C2 has a rail you can put a light on, DWX compact with rails don't yet exist in the wild
i love my P. it’s not a safe queen, because that would be tragic. i do, however have a hard time keeping my thumb on the safety like you advise; I just don’t remember to do it most of the time lol
You don't need to. Any time someone presents an absolute to you in covering style, realize that they are wrong.
@@brianmoore1164 I agree. I just place my thumb over the other thumb/hand.
Damn, I wish they still made the Edge model.
I have a czp07 that gun would probably be the one you could carry and drop in mud and water and still work where the staccato would be juat a home car gun probably can't get dirty and still worl as reliable
I can remember when that was said about Glock. They were for the experience shooter.
How is the XCOR when shooting rifles?
I like my P. I love my WC SFX9 :-)
Great video. We should go visit Ashton at the factory. He just started working there.
We should
My buddy new to guns took me to buy a home defense / cc pistol and it took hours to talk him out of ria 1911s and knock off beretta 92s because "they have safetys" he was too cheap for the 19 but he got a p10c. We're both happy
Just an update, the tac grip became the standard grip on the P probably about the same time this video dropped if not a few months prior (I get why it’s in there because
If the delay between filming, editing and releasing the video) so that’s a big plus. When I ordered mine about 8 months ago after using the old standard grip I knew I hated it and got the Tac grip (the new standard) because it was less than having someone do stipple work on it that didn’t suck.
Yeah I saw the restock
How this gun compared to the new CZ TS2 Orange
It would be a lot cooler if Staccato still made something that could be used for limited/open major.
Yeah! what happened to the XL in .40???????
@@micknelson8991 9mm only now and they aren’t even rated for 9 major…wtf
I’m not sure what’s up with the slide-to-frame fit on your P. The slight rattle was clearly audible. I have three Staccatos (including a P), all purchased within the last 12 months, and the slide-to-frame fit is rock solid on all of them. Zero play. Did I get lucky or is there some variation in Staccato’s QC standards? Either way, the guns have been 100 percent reliable and a pleasure to shoot. Thanks for a great video.
Shootout between Bul and staccato???
+1 for Staccato tour plz. Supernatural pointing index: Endorsed by Ambrose Ibsen.
I would debate that the "1911" is an advanced shooters pistol. I will however suggest that the 1911/2011 does require ones head to be outside of his ass to manipulate effectively.
My first pistol was a Colt Combat Elite in 1986, it's what I learned on. It's the platform I still carry to this day with the C2.
Good information David.
It is. Glocks are a beginner pistol. 1911s have a higher skill curve. They require more training and practice to use them efficiently.
Technique squidqard, TECHNIIIIIQUE
The main issue I have with these pistols is the fiber optic front sight. For a duty pistol tritium nights are not only preferable but an absolute necessity. Other than that I like every feature especially the Tac grip.
Fiber is awesome. Why is tritium necessary if you are going to use flash light anyway for "duty use" ?
@@chltmdwp I don’t always use a light. Lights give your position away and are bullet magnets. Bad guy bullets always go towards the light. Just like a drunk will steer into your bright headlights if you try to flash him off.
DWX comparison please
Thanks once again. Do you have an idea of how the aluminum frame might handle differently than the steel frame? I looked at one of these at the gun store today.
Lighter so livelier in recoil but carries better
@@TheHumbleMarksman thank you. I appreciate your willingness to answer questions. I just figured out that my browning hi power weighs almost the same as the staccato. 1 oz difference
Where do cantaloupe go for the summer? John Cougar’s Mellencamp.
SOLID
I love mine
How was carrying the P? Got a C2 for EDC but thinking of trying the steel P. Thanks!
Pretty big
Just picked up my first 2011 a few days ago and got the Staccato P. I'm really impressed with it so far. Quick question for anyone who might know. When dry firing, should you rack the slide to reset the trigger or can you just cock the hammer instead? Any help is appreciated.
You can just cock the hammer with your thumb no problem.
@@WyFoster Thanks man. Really appreciate the reply.
Compare to the XC?
Cool review bro
C2 vs shadow systems mr920 with radian ramjet
What dot is that u have on the pistol???
MPS
Is there enough of a difference in shooting characteristics between this and a beretta LTT to justify the price difference? Is the recoil impulse similar?
Just depends what you want. Trigger is superior on the Staccato - but is it 1.5X as nice? No.
I shoot both and I would say no/little justification for the price to get a Staccato over the Beretta (unless in competition that will win you money.), but the SA trigger on the Staccato is better inherently. Also I get more slide interference with my grip on the LTT/Beretta 92 than I do on 2011/Staccato.. 6 LTT 92's vs 3 2011's.
@@SectionChief I have the same issue with getting on the slide. I love 92s, but SAOs are also nice
I have used both Colt 45 ACP and Browning Hi-Power. Both with manual safety and one with grip safety. No issues for me or my wife, both got very proficient in very quick time. Using a manual becomes second nature. I don't agree that these guns are only for experienced shooters. Sig pistols with no safety when cocked with a round in the chamber is inherently dangerous for new shooters.
I haven’t witnessed someone shoot themselves in the foot with a striker gun yet
@TheHumbleMarksman And how many with a manual safety gun? Manual safety guns are for all shooters. Nothing unsafe about them. Just train and get proficient. Been usingthem for 50 years.
is it possible to make a 9mm 1911 shoot like a 2011?
With wide grips - yeah
Staccato or Bul Armory?
🙌🔥🙌
So would you take a staccato p or Langdon beretta?
P
@@TheHumbleMarksman good to know!!
So how would you compare this with a broken in a Prodigy?
I don’t have the Staccato but have heard people say it would be hard to tell which one you are shooting if blindfolded apart from the better grip texture on the Prodigy 😎
@@bigshoe84 in truth that would be my expectation. I have the Prodigy with 500 rounds through it. To be clear - the action isn't as smooth as the Staccato, but it is quickly smoothing out. The trigger pull is the same weight and pretty good. The slide to frame fit seems exactly the same. The difference in price pays for a lot of ammo. It can also pay for some customization if you want to gut the MIM parts in favor of forged.
The trigger on Staccato is crisper than on Prodigy. The grip on Prodigy feels more stable and tactile than the Staccato. The thumb safety on the Staccato is smoother in both directions (up and down). When shooting they really are similar in terms of speed and accuracy. Longevity (how many lifetime rounds) will go to the Staccato versus the MIM parts in the Prodigy.
@@SectionChief I'm betting some Prodigy triggers are better than others - mine isn't bad, not anywhere near a custom build but on range the difference is pretty much imperceptible. I do agree the Prodigy thumb safety has some nasty edges. I also suspect all MIM parts could be replace by a good local gunsmith for a fraction of the cost difference. That is actually part of the the reason I'm asking this question - this is the first 1911 type gun I probably won't send to a good gunsmith for work. The Prodigy action isn't buttery smooth yet, but it is getting too that point pretty quickly.
Why is there a shoebox on top of that beautiful Staccato?
One correction here about the so called "grip safety."
I have shot a Staccato P. Nice gun, and it does what it is advertised to do.
However, the comment claiming the "grip safety" is designed so that it cannot be gripped without actuating it enough to make firing possible is simply FALSE.
I had multille incidences of not being able to fire because the "grip safety" was not pressed enough. For shooters who are not novice this usually happens becsuse attempting to get a high grip pushes the grip tang upwards which cancels the presure on the grip tab on the rear grip surface and 1911 has a defective design that the grip tang and the rear grip tab is once piece.
Staccato did takw some effort to mitigate the issue by reducing the required press depth so it happens less with Staccato, but the issue is certainly not eliminated.
How old are you?
Old enough to know better
What optic is that bud?
Steiner MPS
@@TheHumbleMarksman Thank you bde
How did you miss having the run time go 9 more seconds?😂😂
I noticed this after I uploaded and realized what a fail it was.
I live for David's Big Dad Energy jokes....
Lost me at $120 for the competition mag. I don’t shoot well enough to justify dropping gold-plated mags onto the gravel😆
That's not for a typical magazine.
A good STI branded mag is around $75....still expensive I know!
But, gotta pay to play.
I use $40 Duramags to drop on the concrete or gravel and save the $100 for matches. They both function the same.
Love my P, but my Stiener MPS didn't even make it to the first range session.😂
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Unless you're Nils Jonasson... Lol
See i told you id be your friend
Awww
With companies like atlas coming with pinned grip safeties or none at all I really don't see the big deal of putting a band over it.
a competitive use gun versus a duty use gun?
@@TheHumbleMarksman competitive guns still aren't supposed to be dangerous. What other duty guns have two manual safeties, or what other pistol for that matter except maybe some XDs and let's not even go there since you probably know the problems their grip safety causes.
Did u ask Elon ti use his landing craft to mount on your gun?
So many shooters hate grip safeties. I have a feeling that the Oracle Arms 2311 is going to be hands down a much better weapon then any grip safety 2011
I fell in love with Staccato and left Glock. I departed from G26 and G23 for C2. Staccato and Dawson Precision are in my backyard so I will be cheating on my wife and visiting both locations when I can. 😂
BDE
11:03 "Every time the gun comes off target, the safety comes on..." I hope this doesn't seem like I'm being a smartass, but do people actually do that? I started doing Limited division last year with a CZ TS2, and Open division this year with a CZ Czechmate (just minor power factor) at USPSA and Steel Challenge. After I draw, and disengage the safety, I don't put it back on until I'm making ready for the next stage. I had never even considered turning on the safety when I'm running from one target to the next. I definitely rest my trigger finger on the side of the frame, when I'm running or something at a match, but I mostly use the safety as a thumb rest for my strong hand.
I do steel plate matches too, and I do turn on the safety between strings there. You just start with your muzzle on a table in front of you, and it's kinda like steel challenge. I do turn on my safety when I'm standing there the few seconds between strings, and then just turn it back off right before the next string starts. I really don't like the oem safety on the Czechmate. I prefer the one on the TS2 or Shadow 2, especially the right side. The extended right side safety on my Czechmate gets in the way of my trigger finger when I rest it on the frame.
Clarification - when I am competing - no - but when I am training - absolutely. The problems tend to come during training more than competing. Reference my video on the dude shooting himself
@@TheHumbleMarksman 👆 For what it's worth, I agree 100% and that's how I teach.
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$70 for a mag is high? $140 a mag is high? Try to get 14 round mags for a SIG p227. If...IF you can find one it's gonna be $250. I got lucky my used p227 tac elite came with all 4. But I went ahead and picked up 4 more as I found them. Yep $1000 on 4 mags. Plus shipping on 4 separate orders.
Oh hey let me help ppl with SIG 226 mag cap. I just found this out myself. Take mec-gar 20round mag put the SIG 20 round mag polymer base on it...22round cap. The spring seems to handle it for about 2 months now and no issues.
This is my dream gun but unfortunately I’ll probably never be able to afford it.
Dream for the XC
I've got a late 90's Edge in .38 Super and love the thing. It was sad watching STI just completely screw the pooch with the DVC line with soooo many QC issues and guns failing badly (I've seen 2 blow their barrels/split their barrels in person) and then their rebranding into a "Duty" brand and somehow winning most innovative handgun at one of the recent SHOT shows (which is fucking hilarious). Having handled several Staccato's recently, they are not made anywhere near as well as the 90's era STI's and they're charging more than double the price.
grip module feels like melted down mcdonald plastic toys from a happy meal, on a $2,700 gun, that was a big enough turn off for me to look elsewhere.
Do any poly grips on 2011s not?
@@TheHumbleMarksman I mean if Walther or S&W can make a polymer grip that doesn't feel like trash on a $600 or less pistol, I am sure staccato can fit it in their budget without increasing the price of the gun significantly. I understand one is a frame and the other is a module but the science and engineering are the same. The fact that I need to send the module or buy a new one for $200-$300 to make it feel "good" on a gun that expensive is simply off putting.