For the monitor discussion, it's not just cheaper to get the LCD monitors but any org like ESL or dreamhack that runs tournaments for multiple games will be able to use the same monitors for multiple games instead of having to maintain a special inventory of CRTs just for melee.
Modding current non-legal stages sounds interesting. Just removing some fatal flaws in banned stages could open up the stage list, like removing the side rock in Kongo Jungle or keeping middle part of Green Greens with adjusted blast zones.
@@Laxhax123 Thank you! I've been casually observing for a couple of years but mainly because of my interest in professional Ultimate. Leffen made me realize that Ult was really missing the character that I've noticed in Melee. In ult it feels like personality comes almost entirely from the character being played instead of the player. Meanwhile Leffen has a whole anime redemption arc lol. Sorry for the essay. Thanks for the welcome.
It's 2028, Hbox wins at a small local in West Virginia. He starts crying, takes 10 paces back, and then with a running start full force headbutts the CRT. Jigg's rest sound goes off (along with the sound of over 100 sub gifts), the CRT flies through the ceiling, and Hbox goes back into hibernation until next week.
Next hbox popoff he’s going to grip and crush his controller and make it explode, as well as pop a vain, while writhing in pain, and ripping his shirt.
I use a CRT monitor for Slippi, It’s actually a great solution since they are really cheap or free. Only complaint is availability they may be hard to find one in good condition.
The perfect stage: Pokemon stadium layout, but the platforms are BF platform height. The ledge is like FD. The side blast zones are further out and the top blast zone is BF height.
I definitely agree with making more controllers tournament legal since i can't just tell my friends that are just getting into melee to shell out like £60 on a gamecube controller and an adapter when they have say, a switch pro controller for example.
Allowing people to disable tap jump is a TERRIBLE idea. It is not even a matter of controllers, you would have to alter the game and there are many scenarios where no tap jump is broken. You wouldn't be able to bait people into DJing by delaying moves during combos, it would become much easier to meteor cancel because you wouldn't initiate a lockout, you would be able to easily angle your shield fully up instantly, you would be able to shield SDI by moving the stick between the horizontal and upper 45 degree notches, etc.
@@blakeswanson1322 I think you’re thinking of that one game he had against Ice? He did almost decapitate Ice and a couple other people with that chair during his pop off it was pretty funny.
If we could get like the new custom stages as a separate unranked mode in slippi. I think that will do a lot for getting players the opportunity to test them fully to get them updated enough to be potentially worthy of tournament play
Ultimate players are all over the place. Besides Leo and Tweek I don't know who is spending a lot of time labbing. I wish Tweek would just pick a main tho. Like you know who you have to beat and the character he plays. Whatever character counters Joker best, that is the one to pick if you can already play a few at such a high level.
I started playing platform fighters with ult. I tried to get into melee but all the tech skills I'd have to learn to be even competent really turned me off the game, and having no buffer sucks ass. I guess I'll just stick to Rivals if I want to play a fast passed game
Rivals is definitely one of the next best options by far rn ignoring the prize pools n shit The game has more depth than most notice, and it’s easy access SSF2 would be on this level but its Online is Ult level essentially in a different way
No buffer is not a bad thing aldo tech can definetely be a turn off. However, being too much of a lazy fuck to get tech skill, something thats ultimately important on every fighting game is not really valid citicism.0
@@devilmaycrysarockingdontcome Bruh try playing two smash games with insanely different buffer like Ult vs Melee. Legit don't feel like the same type of fighting game
@@_WiZ420 I have played both, I know that most fighting games have buffer. It's just that I much preffer having no buffer or a shorter buffer window than 10 frames. That imo makes it way more off putting. I play a lot of traditional fighting games besides platform fighters, so its probably that. I do like rivals, I just get annoyed at people complaining that tech is hard, even tho they also suck at whatever else they play or that different things to what you usually play "sucks" .I could probably have stated better my stance on buffer in fighting games lol. I hope this clarified things.
@@devilmaycrysarockingdontcome Nah I agree with you, I'm more on Melee's side tbr but I would be okay with buffer past 6 frames personally. that's the max for me, I like being rewarded for timing shit more
One day I intend to make something dubiously stupid controller, using an arduino to make the shield drop angle significantly more forgiving and rounding every wavedash angle up 1 degree, and make the highest 3 points be a perfect wavedash, make it so there's just a shorthop button. Oh and directly up and down angle assistance to be narrowed to improve slight angling consistency. Would be pretty sick to have one of the the shoulder buttons to only be able to analogue press so you don't buffer L cancel unintentionally. All of the goomwave fixes would be ideal.
Talking about new stages, can someone do a flat Kongo Jungle? Or Kongo Jungle with more standard platforms? I think that having a stage that You can cross from from underneath can add so much to the meta! We need more stuff like that!
The controller conversation is confusing. Talking about leveling the playing field controller-wise, but in doing so widening the gap between casual and competitive players. Casuals aren't going to spend $300+ USD for a modded controller in order to consistently hit angles or perform otherwise impossible techs. Not sure what the move is.
Looks like one, yes. The white buttons give it away. Think it’s the final build since the button spacing is tighter than the Alpha, so he probably got this here recently.
Idk if it’s just that I’m shit at Smash in general, or because I’ve pretty much played nothing but Ultimate quickplay since it came out and haven’t touched Melee in so long, but I like.. don’t notice the lag in Ultimate as much as people make it out. Like I just treat it like a different game with a different feel than the other Smash games. It’s the inconsistency that tilts me between between games with the standard amount of lag and extremely laggy games.
He has better lazers than falco, a knee, a recovery that’s faster than foxes and better than falcos, so i think just on paper he’s broken and he was broken in pm
I play on keyboard and I believe with some mods added to game or slippi or dolphin will break the game and melee will have keyboard as best controller because of accessibility and uses.
Hungrybox pop Off against Armada on a epic comeback on EVO 2016 on a Game 10 , but did no pass out Hungrybox pop off against Ginger , on a 3-0 from a monthly online tourney but pass out suddenly My opinion is that he actually pass out due to him probably not feeling well , and went beyond on that monthly online tournament lol
hbox hams literally everything up, i think he actually fainted but he pushed himself there on purpose because that just how he is. its ultra cringe. ULTRA cringe
If someone wants to spend their life fucking then they can spend their life fucking. They don't even have to make money off of it as long as they are doing what they want to do in life. It is literally the only reason the melee scene is alive today because people wanted to do what they thought was fun and gave no shit if it made logical sense or was economically unsuitable
@@nj3690 Exactly. If could scream and overreact on stream like Hbox and make good money off of it, I'd probably do it too just to pay off my student debt.
"here i have my great, uh, podcast members"
LMAO ARE YOU SERIOUS LEFFEN
Friends is a hard word for him
@@nicholassmith8027 i know right
I love how mang0 mutes his mic to talk shit to his own stream LOL
Does he usually make fun of leff or zain haha
@@4purs They should go back through his stream vods, and caption the shit he says with his mic muted lol
@@4purs a lot of it is thanking subs or addressing his chat
For the monitor discussion, it's not just cheaper to get the LCD monitors but any org like ESL or dreamhack that runs tournaments for multiple games will be able to use the same monitors for multiple games instead of having to maintain a special inventory of CRTs just for melee.
"How do I stop recording? Do I just hit 'stop recording'?"
I bet he laughed right after that
Man I can't wait to see what the melee scene is like in 2040
Me too, man.
I'm actually excited about the future cause I feel like this esport will really become such a deep sport with a very rich history.
Melee is sick
@@jejetube7667 and mods will make melee better
Hungrybox still clutching it out from his assisted living residence.
Baby Mang0 would be the best in the world as a TAS-level Mario main
1:03:07 mango really went full red from laughing in like 5 seconds
Yup I give him 4 years, 7 if he start running
Alt Title: Beer man, penguin, and DONTTESTME talk about 20 year old fighting game for an hour
True!
Party game*
@@nap2149 just like how literally any game is a party game? It's a party if you believe broski.
@@iamlucidess I was joking
@@nap2149 GET OUT🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I can’t wait to see leffen’s fox again
I can
@@cooperdunn3808 I’ve been watching his summit sets wishing he could play mango, Zain, ibdw
Leffen plays fox?
I'm sure he plays Fox on his stream pretty often
Big Leff
"Cool things are cool" Leffen 2021
The 3 best players in melee (in theory) on a podcast and they never talk about the game but its amazing
Just no
???
Leffen is great but he’s not top 3. Neither is zain for that matter
@@ryana3601 bait
@@stouupid nah I’m srs, leff is top 10 tho
Whenever I see leffen drink water he always comes in with a new hoopty bottle or glass.
the chemistry in these episodes is so good xd
mango & zain having such good opinions is dope for the scene. rubs off on leffen too. thanks for the pods big leff
Modding current non-legal stages sounds interesting. Just removing some fatal flaws in banned stages could open up the stage list, like removing the side rock in Kongo Jungle or keeping middle part of Green Greens with adjusted blast zones.
I'll probably listen to this more than once. Especially when I'm at work on Monday. This is great content to help pass time
I'm so hyped to finally dive deep into the melee scene with the world tour.
Welcome dude!
@@Laxhax123 Thank you! I've been casually observing for a couple of years but mainly because of my interest in professional Ultimate. Leffen made me realize that Ult was really missing the character that I've noticed in Melee. In ult it feels like personality comes almost entirely from the character being played instead of the player. Meanwhile Leffen has a whole anime redemption arc lol.
Sorry for the essay. Thanks for the welcome.
It's 2028, Hbox wins at a small local in West Virginia. He starts crying, takes 10 paces back, and then with a running start full force headbutts the CRT. Jigg's rest sound goes off (along with the sound of over 100 sub gifts), the CRT flies through the ceiling, and Hbox goes back into hibernation until next week.
I would fucking adore the option of turning off tap-jump...
Next hbox popoff he’s going to grip and crush his controller and make it explode, as well as pop a vain, while writhing in pain, and ripping his shirt.
Return to monke
Big Billiam's algorithm bread
I use a CRT monitor for Slippi, It’s actually a great solution since they are really cheap or free. Only complaint is availability they may be hard to find one in good condition.
what do you use nintendont on a wii
I love these podcasts so much, please keep doing more
Button remapping is so important to the integrity of your guys' health. Stay safe, and lets hope this passes.
The perfect stage: Pokemon stadium layout, but the platforms are BF platform height. The ledge is like FD. The side blast zones are further out and the top blast zone is BF height.
The perfect stage:
Poké Floats
Watched this high and had an amazing time lmao.
I'd reaaally love to have a close friend in the community lol
I knooow lol
I can be your friend if you pay me!
Go to a tournament
I definitely agree with making more controllers tournament legal since i can't just tell my friends that are just getting into melee to shell out like £60 on a gamecube controller and an adapter when they have say, a switch pro controller for example.
Zayn throwing accidental shade on HBox lol
There should be a tournament choice custom stage slot as an additional counterpick, so each major can have a unique stage
That might actually be really cool
He knows what he is talking abut, give the stage a custom theme too
lol mango as the outro fades out
How do I... stop recording
do I just hit stop recording
For anyone wondering, a mile is roughly 1.6 Kilometers
the old man fighting game podcast is back. I'd also love to see mang0 play guilty gear and other fighting games
not enjoyable to listen to a podcast/audio only format with this many ads
If you skip to about 10 seconds before the very end then let the video finish and hit replay, the video will no longer have ads
Ads? *Laughs in TH-cam red*
Lol paying for TH-cam red.
@@Chewy501 ay I got it from Google play
@@Chewy501 lol being poor
“But with me, I have here with me my great fr- uh... podcast members...”
Allowing people to disable tap jump is a TERRIBLE idea. It is not even a matter of controllers, you would have to alter the game and there are many scenarios where no tap jump is broken. You wouldn't be able to bait people into DJing by delaying moves during combos, it would become much easier to meteor cancel because you wouldn't initiate a lockout, you would be able to easily angle your shield fully up instantly, you would be able to shield SDI by moving the stick between the horizontal and upper 45 degree notches, etc.
HBOX, Wizzy, and Mango have the best pop offs.
It’s only a matter of time before Wizzy accidentally slaps someone during a pop off
@@asvenson5267 im pretty sure s2j either hit someone or hit them with a chair
@@blakeswanson1322 I think you’re thinking of that one game he had against Ice? He did almost decapitate Ice and a couple other people with that chair during his pop off it was pretty funny.
@@blakeswanson1322 esam basically threw a chair at someone during a popoff
Pop offs are just annoying, might be considered disrespect for the opponent at times.
Commenting for the algorithm
2020 didn't just work for melee it was honestly an incredible year. Fizzi is literally a godman
38:58 That's the point. The fact that each sucks in a unique way is what makes them okay. Stages don't matter, Stage pools do.
If we could get like the new custom stages as a separate unranked mode in slippi. I think that will do a lot for getting players the opportunity to test them fully to get them updated enough to be potentially worthy of tournament play
I love Zain, genuinely a hilarious person.
Yes, yes, and make some more characters for us to test as well
26:26 I do believe he passed out just him getting up was specious to me
zain is like 25 with a full beard, but sounds like a 14 year old
39:00 What if they just patched the stages and left playable characters alone?
Great content melee deserves to be so much bigger
the mile thing fucking killed me
I would like to see side events at tourney's like Summit using custom characters and stages. That would be cool
Ultimate players are all over the place. Besides Leo and Tweek I don't know who is spending a lot of time labbing.
I wish Tweek would just pick a main tho. Like you know who you have to beat and the character he plays. Whatever character counters Joker best, that is the one to pick if you can already play a few at such a high level.
The money HBox makes for popping off on stream will cover for any meds or whatever he needs so he can keep popping off for centuries
pop off meds
I started playing platform fighters with ult. I tried to get into melee but all the tech skills I'd have to learn to be even competent really turned me off the game, and having no buffer sucks ass. I guess I'll just stick to Rivals if I want to play a fast passed game
Rivals is definitely one of the next best options by far rn ignoring the prize pools n shit
The game has more depth than most notice, and it’s easy access
SSF2 would be on this level but its Online is Ult level essentially in a different way
No buffer is not a bad thing aldo tech can definetely be a turn off. However, being too much of a lazy fuck to get tech skill, something thats ultimately important on every fighting game is not really valid citicism.0
@@devilmaycrysarockingdontcome Bruh try playing two smash games with insanely different buffer like Ult vs Melee. Legit don't feel like the same type of fighting game
@@_WiZ420 I have played both, I know that most fighting games have buffer. It's just that I much preffer having no buffer or a shorter buffer window than 10 frames. That imo makes it way more off putting. I play a lot of traditional fighting games besides platform fighters, so its probably that. I do like rivals, I just get annoyed at people complaining that tech is hard, even tho they also suck at whatever else they play or that different things to what you usually play "sucks" .I could probably have stated better my stance on buffer in fighting games lol. I hope this clarified things.
@@devilmaycrysarockingdontcome Nah I agree with you, I'm more on Melee's side tbr but I would be okay with buffer past 6 frames personally. that's the max for me, I like being rewarded for timing shit more
39:50 funny they say that, the eu version was patched
The music starting in Hungrybox popof faint is what keeps me wondering if it's real or not.
Finally back at it, let's gooo!!
Small Battlefield for Melee?
Trust me, if custom controllers were available, because I have never played melee competitively, I would play melee frame one
leffen trying to explain pavlov lol
Tap jump is the reason I play Rivals of Aether. (also having a shorthop button)
My favorite pop off is when Zain visits the Golden guardian office
When was this streamed?
One day I intend to make something dubiously stupid controller, using an arduino to make the shield drop angle significantly more forgiving and rounding every wavedash angle up 1 degree, and make the highest 3 points be a perfect wavedash, make it so there's just a shorthop button.
Oh and directly up and down angle assistance to be narrowed to improve slight angling consistency.
Would be pretty sick to have one of the the shoulder buttons to only be able to analogue press so you don't buffer L cancel unintentionally.
All of the goomwave fixes would be ideal.
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS YEAHHH
Talking about new stages, can someone do a flat Kongo Jungle? Or Kongo Jungle with more standard platforms? I think that having a stage that You can cross from from underneath can add so much to the meta! We need more stuff like that!
why ppl not mod melee into ultimate, that would be fun
You'd be surprised what people have already done. Just a matter of time my friend
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The controller conversation is confusing. Talking about leveling the playing field controller-wise, but in doing so widening the gap between casual and competitive players. Casuals aren't going to spend $300+ USD for a modded controller in order to consistently hit angles or perform otherwise impossible techs. Not sure what the move is.
A MELEE PODCAST?! HOLY SHIT YES!
Is that a cross up on leffen’s shelf?
Looks like one, yes. The white buttons give it away. Think it’s the final build since the button spacing is tighter than the Alpha, so he probably got this here recently.
FOR THE ALGORITHM! Great video boys good talk firm handshakes all around
I have been waiting!
Glutony made a video abt you recently
These three and ibdw are the top 4 but who’s the fifth right now?
the faint was real, but he knows his "over reacting pop-offs" are like his signature, so he plays it up. maybe now he'll think twice?
Idk if it’s just that I’m shit at Smash in general, or because I’ve pretty much played nothing but Ultimate quickplay since it came out and haven’t touched Melee in so long, but I like.. don’t notice the lag in Ultimate as much as people make it out. Like I just treat it like a different game with a different feel than the other Smash games. It’s the inconsistency that tilts me between between games with the standard amount of lag and extremely laggy games.
Leffen does look like billy from Xenogears
Did leffen just reference fuckn qwop in a discussion about l cancels?
i would play melee if i could make a different control sheme like i can in ultimate
They're coming
Goomy is the future
If I could turn off control stick jump I'd be set
“Whatever carry on billy... now its a CIRCUS... now im Khalindi.... “ 😂(sorry for typos)
why not mod the game for button remapping
Wtf is wolf that broken?? I play him, he feels good to play but broken?
He has better lazers than falco, a knee, a recovery that’s faster than foxes and better than falcos, so i think just on paper he’s broken and he was broken in pm
Laser is just insane
@@Monguyfr a knee?
I play on keyboard and I believe with some mods added to game or slippi or dolphin will break the game and melee will have keyboard as best controller because of accessibility and uses.
naaaa
if you use a 1ms monitor and use a lag reduction mod then it will be fine but if not crt
I’m against any modding except for possibly freezing Pokémon stadium
ps is frozen for all intents and purposes.
I miss unfrozen stadium
No ucf?
@@rupmatt As a fox main I tend to agree, but it is objectively worse for competition.
11:55 LMAO ZAIN
This podcast is dope chill
Pikachu hasn't been nerfed because Japanese players suck with Pika and all changes are based on that meta because Sakurai is biased like that.
That shit was fake af but it's all for the content so I respect it as long as people don't think you're actually hurt or need help.
Leffen should do this with Ultimate players, he wants to get to talk about it so bad and getting nothing from his boys
loved it. thanks.
CRTs are easy to carry guys I don’t see the problem. I don’t really have a problem with monitors either but CRTs are so nice for melee
I literaly went YES outloud
Hungrybox pop Off against Armada on a epic comeback on EVO 2016 on a Game 10 , but did no pass out
Hungrybox pop off against Ginger , on a 3-0 from a monthly online tourney but pass out suddenly
My opinion is that he actually pass out due to him probably not feeling well , and went beyond on that monthly online tournament lol
He’s also a lot bigger
the one that eats all the shrooms ?
I'd love to see modded stages to see them match the theme of the event
Tap jump is way different In melee then ultimate lol
Wolf? I feel like it's a preferential thing among the TO's/organizers. Same with the Box Controllers
This is some quality content. More of these please.
Plup might actually enter online Melee tournaments
hbox hams literally everything up, i think he actually fainted but he pushed himself there on purpose because that just how he is. its ultra cringe. ULTRA cringe
Well he may be cringe but he is making good money off of it
One might say... Ultimate cringe.
@@nj3690 you just described prostitutes
If someone wants to spend their life fucking then they can spend their life fucking. They don't even have to make money off of it as long as they are doing what they want to do in life. It is literally the only reason the melee scene is alive today because people wanted to do what they thought was fun and gave no shit if it made logical sense or was economically unsuitable
@@nj3690 Exactly. If could scream and overreact on stream like Hbox and make good money off of it, I'd probably do it too just to pay off my student debt.
Sony 32 inch wega trinitron. I stopped carrying crt’s after that 200lbs monster
Grungodorint mango. 21 directless zain. Ganondorf leffen. All in one game
mango is stav, leffen is nick, zain is adam