I am so pleased that my car has proper handles on the outside and interior, all I have to do is just pull on them and the doors open, amazing system that works every time, maybe Tesla should look into this amazing system instead of hiding the release handle
Just look at life wests on airplanes - they are modelled to be simple: “a strap goes around your belly and attached to another strap”, or the fire blanket in my kitchen: “pull straps, cover the burning pot”. I rode my first tEsla a year ago and I couldn’t get into the f***ing battery-car. PS. Live on third floor, have elevator/lift, stairs and due to fixing the roof, I have scaffolding all around and can climb out thru a window …. 😀
@@michaeloshea5505 that's a great idea..maybe eject the battery pack as it can do double duty as a rocket pack, once its gone thermal its no good as a battery pack! haha maybe it'll make it to outer space?! like everything with EVs, when it goes wrong send it away and make it someone elses problem!
@@djgoode Not all of them do. Some have them in the front only, and others require you to take the door panel off. StacheD Training did a good video on it recently. Well worth a watch.
@ I’m aware it’s the fronts and the rears are a pain. However the roof glass is designed to fail from inside. The chances of not getting out a Tesla are similar to any other car.
Odd that when the handle spindle broke on my Ibiza I discovered it would fail the MOT if I didn't replace it. Yet Tesla gets away with it not failing safety tests or MOTs?
But that will not save you if you cannot get out on the vehicle, with these batteries you would also need full positive pressure breathing apparatus which would need comprehensive training to use and be easily available which is not in any current car
Why has it taken so long for this issue to become topical? You dont have to be an engineer to understand that the design is poor and dangerous. Tesla is not the only brand to do this. Gimmicks over safety! Could this be another Ford Pinto story?
If you compare the NTSB's Pinto fire/death statistics with Tesla's fire/death statistics, per 100,000 vehicles, currently way more people burn to death per year in a Tesla than ever did in a Pinto.
If you look at other areas of the tesla , safety also comes into question , having no gauges or dash binnacle directly in front of the driver , instead having the stupid touch screen in the middle of the dash lol ....... how is this good design ? Answer its not . You couldnt pay me to buy a tesla . Another item comes to mind , teslas do not come equipped with a spare wheel or jack , this to me is a safety issue if you are out in the country and split a sidewall and or damage a rim on some debris out on the road or via a big pothole , you are screwed , this is a basic requirement in my book for any vehicle. some will say oh the emergency puncture kit will get you out of trouble , well sometimes it will not . I cant remember when car design went down the toilet , but you couldnt pay me to buy a vehicle with so many glaring deficiency's.
@@mikldude9376 all the new cars I've seen no longer provide spare tyres any more (UK) just the cheap can of foam. Atleast they left the space (only to save redesigning) to store a spare in the boot of my car so I can carry one if i choose (due to their cost cutting), I dont think newer cars even have the specially designed wheel well...which is where it would probably clash with the battery on an EV...and Teslas dont come with small wheels either so the space and weight penalty with do the car no favours...forgot about space saving tyres! haha One thing about Tesla safety...if they do crash its quite a good beacon for rescuers to find you...or what's left of you...are there any ICE car fires where the occupants have been burned alive like this?
This problem is VERY well documented, yet people still go out and buy an EV. Speaking personally, until the problem of burning to death is solved, I won't even sit in an EV, let alone buy one. Some people may think I am a bit extreme, but I am in my mid 70s and guess what? I'm still here, and if all the people who have burned to death were like me, they would still be here too. If everyone refused to buy an EV until these problems were addressed, how long would it be do you think, until Tesla an Co, pulled their finger out and sorted it. Not long I'd guess.
Not all EVs are Teslas, most just have regular manual door handles. You are still far more likely to get burned to death in a ICE car fire than an EV fire. I agree these Tesla door releases are ridiculous. Musk seem to be getting away with a lot these days.
Not going to get repeat business if they insist on wiping them out...the new customer service approach is that the customer is always wrong and EVs owners seem happy with it. EV owners obviously think the cool door handles are worth dying for, literally!
As another poster has pointed out not all EVs are Teslas. They therefore don't suffer from this quite frankly ridiculous design. You could, using your logic, expand your statement to "cars" rather than EVs!
THIS IS NOT JUST AN EV PROBLEM !!! My 1-year-old Lexus Hybrid has electronic door handles - If I'm unconscious in my burning car, how does anyone open the door to pull me out if the only manual release is inside the car ???
The were two case of Lexus fire in China in 2022, people was traped inside after the car crashed and caught on fire, there were people broke the windows from outside to help the people out, but still have one passenger was unconscious and no survived.
Having an emergency manual release inside the car is of little use if you're unconscious. The first thing someone coming to help would want to check is whether you're breathing. I wouldn't want to stand helpless outside of a car whilst someone dies from asphyxia in a few minutes for the lack of not being able to open the door and get to them.
@@iceblock-z41no evidence those that perished didn’t die in the initial impact. No evidence the surviving occupant attempted to get out. Bystanders under stress are not reliable witnesses. The ev beatup and FUD is supported by a single other case, the model S which it is said is in dispute. Good to draw attention to secondary door opening however.
The unit where i work has magnetic locks (Maglocks) on the doors around the building, In an emergency, ALL the doors are released automatically for everyone to leave safely. Its concerning to think our old building is safer than a new EV!!
If they have gone to the lengths of fitting a convoluted secret emergency door handles, why not just put them in an easily accessible location the same as every other car??
@@bobstirling6885 it's convoluted because its an after thought, no one design these on purpose. But happy to be corrected if Tesla admit this stupid design is by choice.
@@greathey1234 Can you sue for your own stupidity? just looking at all these EV fire stories people still choose to own them so it's totally up to them. I really don't care about the statistics of battery fires..its like the lottery the chances of getting the jackpot are 'rare' but someone gets it..I know which I'd prefer to "win".
Just a few points I like to make. There is a video of a driver kicking out the laminated door glass to escape a tesla on fire. But the manual door release on the front doors is easy to use. It shows that people don't read instruction books so he just did not know where it was, once you know where it is, it's so easy to use even with your eyes closed. Why do Tesla hide the release so well in the door trim? And what about someone driving the car that is not theirs, maybe on loan or hire, are they expected to read the instruction book first? Second point the plastic cover in the door pocket on the rear door release you normally need a flat head screwdriver to open it. And people traveling in the back normally don't own the car, so how would you expect them to know where it is. Third point the person that helped the woman out of the burning Tesla had to break the window (and it took some time due to being laminated) because the doors could not be opened from outside, the Tesla had decided to trap all the people inside. We need a safety standard that ban all makes of cars from fitting electronic door catches, and only allow mechanical that can be activated with electric solenoids (the old way). That way in a crash with loss of power we all can still open the doors. Also lets ban laminated glass in side windows, we just don't need it, and if in a crash the door gets jammed we can still shatter the window easily .
@@ScottishCarClanno the comment wasn’t thought through. In the old days before auto mechanisms doors were locked mechanically from inside. Bystanders also couldn’t open the door. The advent of auto door unlock following an impact is in majority of new cars. A few hundred million of those on the road. Using one unsubstantiated case to reverse a safety feature which has been in use for a decade is foolish nonsense.
Yes, modern cars seem to have bypassed quite a few safety aspects. Apart from the very obvious electronic door locks in your video, there are at least two more that spring to mind. Headlight bulbs (for one) were limited to 55 watts, and for a very good reason. Now, modern headlight brightness is crazy, but legal. The other one that is glaringly obvious, it is the replacement of knobs by a touch screen. How dangerous is that..... Progress🤔
The corrupt Biden Administration just keept turning a blind eye to anything and everything negative. Why ? because they controlled the Govt. What did you expect a GOVT that actually Cares.
Progress is seat belts, and brakes. stability control, sat nav, voice control, hands free phone, adaptive cruise, autonomous emergency brakes , tyre pressure monitor and with EVs, lower CoG, lower driver fatigue, lower risk of fire, higher resistance to side impacts .Preheating and cooling cabin whilst unoccupied and parked creates ideal driver environment (clear windscreens ect) from very beginning of the journey.
Headlight bulbs brighter than 50 w are permitted if the vehicle or the headlight mechanism is self levelling. That is progress. Lately, the introduction of matrix filters enables both sides of the road to be illuminated on high beam without blinding incoming traffic. That is progress. Moving to electronic unlocking following a crash detection occurred almost two decades ago. The incidence rate of failure is so low it’s hard to determine risk, the recent Canadians fire is under investigation. But with tens of millions of vehicles on the road the trigger is as reliable as airbag deployment as it is that sensor which also sets off the door unlock sequence.
Older Teslas (Model 3?) do not have manual door releases in rear doors at all. If my memory serves correctly late 2019 models are the first to have those.
@@atticstattic it's amazing how many people don't believe you when you tell them. It is a bizarre concept to most ppl as they have to see it to believe it.
You can't kick out front and rear bonded glass. I used to break up my own cars and remember trying to kick out the bonded glass on a 1988 Lancia Thema and it wasn't going nowhere unlike the older cars where it was possible.
@supernova743 A lot of them now you have to depress a tab on the base of one of the headrest pins with a screwdriver or key to fully remove the headrest. This is very fiddly at the best of times and virtually impossible in an emergency.
This is progress though...opening doors is soo difficult and owning an EV needs soo much training...learn to plug a car in? logistics training for charging plan? getting locked in a car is user error?! haha But not to worry it'll all be worth it when self driving turns up! 😂
They was four killed in a Tesla crash in France not long before the Canadian crash happened AND the same happened to Cyberbrick driver just before that in America, I can see Tesla getting sued big style pretty soon if this trend continues
These type of door handles are used in many different makes of car and are not particular to just EV’s, they are not solely used by Tesla cars as is suggested in this video.
That's fine then.....unfortunately others fitting dangerous hidden handles doesn't make it right and the severity of a battery fire amplifies the stupidity of not having a simple door handle.
@@bobstirling6885 look into the statistics of vehicle fires, it’s not EV fires you need to worry about, far more likely to be involved in a fire with a Petrol/ Diesel vehicle. Electric vehicles (EVs) EVs are the least likely to catch fire, with a risk of 25.1 fires per 100,000 sold. Hybrid vehicles Hybrids are more likely to catch fire than EVs, with a risk of 3,474.5 fires per 100,000 sold. This may be due to the combination of gasoline and high voltage electricity, which can create sparks in a crash. Petrol and diesel vehicles Petrol and diesel vehicles are the most likely to catch fire, with a risk of 1,529.9 fires per 100,000 sold.
@@brianstevenson9967 petrol and diesel vehicles rarely lock you in when they catch fire and are easily extinguished. Come back with your statistics when the average age of EVs is commensurate with ICEs.....most car fires are in older vehicles and usually caused by electrical failure, crashes or arson. I don't ever recall 4 people being burnt alive in an ICE car due to them being unable to release the doors.
@@bobstirling6885 Hmmm, as we had just stated these electronic door handles are not particular to EV’s they are fitted to petrol / diesel cars as well so just as likely to be a serious issue in an ICE vehicle. A fire in a car is a serious matter wether that is EV or an ICE vehicle and as you state most likely is caused by an electrical fault and if in a petrol car which is full of very flammable fuel that seems extremely serious and sorry but records on car fires show being in a petrol car puts you more at risk than any other vehicle on our roads. I am sorry but that is a fact that simply cannot be overlooked.
No Model 3 or Y have manual releases on the rear doors apart from the stupid hatch, they all have manual releases on front doors, even better they all now have laminated front and rear side windows that are very difficult to break. This does need fixing, still love my Model Y! fortunately we rarely have rear passengers.
So what was wrong with a simple old-style fail-safe mechanical linkage? I'm not against new tech, if it's deployed sensibly. But needless complication of a simple function which can and has resulted in loss of life? That's irresponsible to say the very least.
It's odd that expensive vehicles with proven safety issues - which have now resulted directly in fatalities - should have been awarded 5-Star safety ratings. How did that happen? Who decided that a $70,000 Air Fryer on wheels didn't need a viable means of egress in the event of an emergency? Why the heck isn't anybody making a fuss about this? Don't Merkin lives matter? US buyers attach enormous significance to the scores cars achieve in these tests, and certain foreign brands are roundly mocked for 'only' having 2, 3, or 4-Stars. But at least they've got working door handles. I'm not interested in exotic tech or super-security or cameras or fancy collision avoidance and automatic lane-guide steering and all the other unasked-for modern driver-assist features which count towards those precious 5-Star ratings. I'm interested in being fully in control of whatever vehicle I'm driving. Give me a primitive analogue car with manual wind-down windows and door locks operated by cables, rods, wires, handles and levers which can be yanked open even when the car's on its roof, it's filled with smoke, and you can't see your hand two inches in front of your face. Why would anybody NOT want something so basic? Oh, of course - style over substance matters. Status over safety. Putting your trust in the Teslamic faith is the path to righteousness, a mansion on Mars, and a place at your saviour's side. Risking your life on His [sic] cost-cutting garbage tech shows the depth of your belief in the Glorious Leader. It's a scandal that nobody in authority sees these 5-Star safety ratings for the marketing con they are. Imagine if people had lost their lives in cars from BYD instead of those with a Tesla badge. Imagine the outcry. Imagine the news headlines: "Shoddy corner-cutting car tech is endangering Merkin lives." But no, it's Tesla, and Ego Muskrat is 100% teflon coated. Nothing sticks to him. Money really can buy you anything. A President? Yep. A cult following? Yep. Immunity from prosecution? Yep. No wonder people (literally) worship him.😔
Watching that wee video about how to open a Tesla door with the manual door release, if fitted, made me think that perhaps it should be a legal requirement for all Tesla drivers to run through an emergency escape procedure for their passengers making sure that they all know where the manual door release is located, if fitted, and how to use it pretty much like the safety briefings you get onboard aircraft by the cabin crew before take off.
Knowing the escape procedure wouldn't help if one didn't happen to have long fingernails, or lacked the strength to prise that cover off, such as might be the case with a child.
Well , chances are , in the event of an accident , they wont be thinking straight anyway , and digging down to find an emergency release would likely be the last thing on a persons mind , and what if they are frail oldies or kids , what if it is darkness at night , youd have buckleys hope of finding the emergency pull tabs . the best option is just have an old school idiot proof door lock mechanism that just works the first time ..
@@NT-hr3eucars should not have any ads, just the driver engine transmission and 4 wheels, no ABS ESC just do the driver said, airbag are useless weight.
@@mikeb9281 theres probably a bluetooth app that you can download in an emergency too but make sure you read and agree to all the t&c before you open the doors as it could void your warranty. A straight forward sign up procedure with your email to validate your account...saves you climbing over to the front seats.
I know that people obviously think about how old people would cope, but what if you had young kids in the back seat? People have said to me that it's a rare event and there is no need to worry. We'll, when there is a fire in a building and say 50 people die because there was no fire exit, you could also say that it's a rare event, but unblocked fire exits became law. Should passengers in Tesla taxis have to partake in a fire drill every time they use one. They shouldn't be allowed on the road if they are a hazard to life.
Mechanical door locks are essential. My Wife's Audi has a spring-loaded window breaker in the centre console, because I do not want her to drown or burn to death.
I'm usually not against electronic door openers, but I'm starting to change my mind somewhat after seeing all these issues. The main problem I see here is that Tesla seems to have designed the rear door release as a backup manual release, not as an emergency release. The Cybertruck has a similar design for the rear, and the reasoning I've heard is that if a child is sitting in the back, you don't want them to have full access to a door release that overrides child locks. I believe I have coined a solution, though. Make the emergency release easily accessible like on the front, and label it accordingly. Then, develop a mechanism that makes the emergency release work by default, but if an interlock is energized, it is disabled. Have this interlock be energized if the child locks are enabled and the car is not in park. That way if the door fails or god forbid the car is in an accident and loses power, the interlock is de-energized and the emergency release fails safe and allows the door to be opened.
One new-ish problem car makers have to deal with is carjacking and robbery. A lot of features are now based on this. The door problem is this: you want to be able to lock the doors to prevent outside entry when driving through dubious neighbourhoods. In a collision you want the doors to unlock so you can be got out. So the villains shunt you from in front to unlock the doors...what's the answer? To a degree it is country dependent, but there are bad places everywhere. I don't have an answer. I just do know that omitting clearly labelled exit handles should be illegal; after all it's illegal not to have them on trains and buses.
@@atticstattic I see your point, Its just an idea. The alternative is recalling and banning thousands of cars. Make mandatory interior door handles! Ban any car without an emergency release handle. Its like the legislation for safety & interiors has been changed to suit the company (that minimal interior with no switches I hate it) I hope UK common sense prevails.
@@atticstattic They still work it's just the laminate holds the broken glass together and tinted windows do the same thing, it would be fairly easy to push out after its broken though compared to trying to kick it out.
There is more than one way to exit a vehicle other than doors. Carry a window breaking/seatbelt cutting tool. Also, the FAA mandates passengers are briefed prior to flight. Maybe it would behoove Tesla owners/drivers should brief their passengers.
@ Except. They aren’t. What an asinine way to look at it.
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Chinese cars also tend to have electric operated doors now. I am living in Thailand where Chinese EVs are the only affordable option. I looked at a lot of nice cars and then had to delete them from my list because of electric doors. Some of these have good escape handles but I don't like to explain that to every new passenger.
the fact tesla go to the effort to fit a manual override ( however difficult) , it would have been the same cost to just install a manual inner door handle like every other car that you could open first go in pitch black zero visibility while your panicking!
Great video, but I must say the carscore and car vertical does not give you the most clear picture. I got my car checked by paid service on car vertical and I got faulty car with hidden accident repair, leaks, coolant consumption and a lot of hidden rust. And many more. It is important to give people more info after your promotion always does a manual inspection check. I rejected the car but it is a very painful stressful 30 day process just to check and discover all faults. Always ask the dealer to give you a detailed description and diagnostic scan log document that the car is free from any electrical faults. The diagnostic is the best to be done at the moment of your pick up. Unfortunately, this days buying a car is a stressful process not a fun one
BYD's also have the same issues. Heard of a few incidents in China where the doors self lock preventing the rescuers and occupants of the car struggle to get in or out of the cars after a accident. One recently locked a mother out of her car due to the cars keyless app failing, her young child was left in the car with all windows up on a hot day. The emergency services had to break the windows to get the child out.
I do want to try BYD used, they're very cheap used. It's easy to test just 2 person, 1 inside lock the door and another out disconnect the 12v battery.
I'm old enough to remember the Ford Pinto from the 70's. Another car with a habbit of cooking it's occupants when involved in an accident. The car had a hugh problem with it's fuel system. Ford desided that it was cheaper to pay damages to it's 'victims' than fix the fault. As a result they where hit with one of the largest fines in automotive history. Tesla need to take note of this and fix their car. For those who already own one, this might be a good time to invest in a glass hammer.
The Pinto tank was in the rear and got split in some crashes. In fact many other US cars were the same but it was Ford who got caught out. Every single vehicle feature has a cost of failure analysis ssociated with it, and there is a cost of human life calculation involved. It isn't nice but that is how it has to be as the alternative is driving around in 10mph armoured cars. Ford got it wrong. But they all do the same.
I'm basically all for manual physical handles (and handbrake...). But, how hard would it be to make the handles pop open or just be released when the airbags are activated or any other emergency system is activated - there are sensors for that in every modern car. An oversight by the genius or just a money saving thing..
Im fine with electric locks keeping you from getting inside but the latch inside should always open the door even without power. Just like buildings should always have doors that will let people out.
That emergency release looks like a right faff especially after an accident even if you actually know it's there..... Surely a 2 stage handle would be better, 1st stage electronic - 2nd stage manual. pull handle harder - door opens!
I think NCAP etc need to step in and remove stars from cars people can't escape from if there is no power. Just look at an aircraft and how obvious the emergency escape handles are..
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One thing about these battery cars is that programmers seem to have millions of program lines just to make things complicated for the drivers. If not pushing a number of buttons and gas and brake pedals in the correct order, you go nowhere. How hard is it to have a simple door handle?! It’s a f-ing safety feature. PS. I have started traveling on the local buses and notice that all windows in the BYD battery buses are made for emergency exits. The diesel buses have just one or two …. 🤔
I have another issue... Given the issues with possible thermal runner way how Do EV's even pass NCAP testing??? If fuel tank of ICE had similar issues due to leaking fuel combusting then they would fail the tests and be banned. Yet given how a simple bump and knock too a battery rights an EV off due to FIRE Risk how did they pass??? I do not for one minute believe the test is not fixed for evs... And this is a conversation my self and colleagues both paramedics and FRS have been having
Some of the solutions in the comments keeps me coming back, a good conversation starter...I see you drive a Tesla...how did you know? The heavy duty limited edition Tesla branded window breaker seatbelt cutter in its exclusive vegan leather holster gave it away! haha Also guys, in the event of a crash you have about 30 seconds to find the emergency door release before the car is engulfed in flames... Where is everyone?
That's ridiculous. Locks should be powered by separate capacitors, one for each lock, in the doors so that they are not reliant on battery power. That's the way air bags are wired.
Anyone else reading this ever had an MOT fail for a dodgy outer door handle? On the rear door of a three door Crewcab with no rear seat. I have. It is a fail due to the fact that emergency services must be able to open it from outside in case someone needs rescue.
I have wondered about this for some time. Why do we even need electronic doors anyway. I just seems like something ridiculously stupid. Just like led headlights and indicators. To be honest if a car doesn't have a manual control for anything that needs a touch screen I won't buy it. This includes AC and cruise control
Interesting topic I often thought what would happen to the Model S door handles in a crash as they have to retract outwards, if I'm right in thinking you have to press a button on the inside to open them which just seems wrong on so many levels. That & the fact you have a whopping great screen to distract you as you turn on the aircon or whatever should be banned if you ask me. On another note how's the Honda Jazz type R project coming along?
These accidents happen since years with all Teslas S3XY models. More than 100 people were burned up to now worldwide in similar Tesla accidents. 15 alone in October 2024.
Obviously the EV death trap manufacturers should supply a laminated instruction sheet for new travelers to read and enjoy before setting out in an EV like the safety demo on an aircraft. Job done,sorted, next problem please.😂
Regulators are failing outright. Another ludicrous situation is the proliferation of touchscreens, including even for heating controls. Yet it’s still illegal to use a phone while driving, and rightly so. Needless tech on new cars. I will keep using my older cars which have ergonomically sound controls and I can do repairs myself.
Is Tesla the only vehicle that has this problem, I suspect not. This though would appear to be regulators not doing their job. It is bizarre that there are laws preventing the use of a mobile phone when driving, but that the trend in car design to rely on a central laptop to display and control the majority of the vehicle's functions is allowed. How is looking down and reading the screen to select a menu and adjust a vehicle's heating temperature setting any different and any less dangerous to reading a text message? I appreciate that many of these settings can be voice activated, in which case they should only be voice activated. For all Tesla's claims to be at the cutting edge of design, form and function does not seem to be their strong suit. They have started a trend that many other manufacturers are blinding following but how is tapping through menu settings ever going to be more efficient than having a button or a dial?
Mechanical door mechanism should be MINIMUM safety standard. .. My only conclusion for having electronic acuated door handles. _is to DENIE_ _acess_ (remotely ) to said vehicle if required or one has not complied/accepted terms and conditions of purchasing said vehicle. ... .. That procedure to locate the manual control is unacceptable...
@@andrewmainprice2179 it probably does but when the battery is on fire i don't think the computer has any power to ask the doors to do that. Or you could just have a door handle...what is the purpose of a hidden door handle? the cars are already bland enough so people really find these thoughtless design tweaks attractive? If it is for aero dynamic purposes its a bit of a joke.
since those things are so extremly safe its not really necessary to go with the ancient (ice) safety features - 100 or 200 dead a year are below any threshold of concern but honestly why are we (well, to many people) buying ev's ?
The door handles are the only thing on the tesla that Elon Musk had an actual part in designing. Does that make him directly responsible for the deaths and injuries that are occurring?
Man, 10,000 years ago: (Invents simple, functional tool that works) Man, 5,000 years ago: (still using tool, because it works) Man, 2500 years ago: (still using tool, because it works) Man 1,000 years ago: (still using tool, because it works) Man 500 years ago: (still using tool because it works) Man 250 years ago: (still using tool because it works) Man 100 years ago: (still using tool because it works) Man 50 years ago: (still using tool because it works) Tesla Engineer, last year: (Changes the design to something electronic, places the redundant unit in the LEAST F*CKING CONSPICUOUS PLACE or removes it entirely...) (Electronic tool fails, people die) Tesla Engineer: ...but that wasn't supposed to happen! What went wrong!?"
People taking the older cars route isn't the answer. The answer is to prevent the car manufacturers from this stupid practice. An older car will see you fold up like a paper plane in an accident and the chances of you having an accident and suffering injury or death, (regardless of fault), are MUCH higher than the chances of your EV bursting into flames. Thought I suppose you could have an accident in an EV.........
Tesla doesn't care about safety, it's as simple as that. They make stuff that people will think is "cool", like a car with everything on a screen and no physical controls, or "full self drive (disclaimer: driver must remain alert and ready to take over control at any moment)" that isn't, really. Doors on a vehicle should have simple, accessible, manually activated handles. Anything is is f'in stupid.
Technology is amazing. However, one has to look at the situation and ask “is this technology required in this application?” Reality with motor cars is we do not need much gimmick technology. Vehicles do not need electronic door handles or electronic flaps for fuel or cables. There are many more gimmicks I personally do not want such as touch screens, electronic opening/closing boots, electronic parking brakes etc etc etc the list goes on and on. Safety and reliability are very important and any extra adds weight. I like a bit of up and go and good handling etc but gimmicks no thank you. Keep the costs down and remove the gimmicks. After any accident doors should unlock. A window “break” tool should be accessible to front occupants. Cars need to be designed with input from drivers and not geeks.
No evidence that the model y door release failed. Bystanders are notoriously unreliable. Wait for the report. Doors could have been mechanically jammed. No evidence that those who perished survived the impact. Wait for the report. Good to draw attention to secondary opening however! A Battery requires significant impact to go into thermal runway, this has occurred globally, just 600 times since 2010 in passenger vehicles. The only other ev reference you mention is the model S which is you say disputed. 40million EVs on the road and who knows how many ice cars 100 m ? with same tech.
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I am so pleased that my car has proper handles on the outside and interior, all I have to do is just pull on them and the doors open, amazing system that works every time, maybe Tesla should look into this amazing system instead of hiding the release handle
We became accustomed to sensible, obvious 'features' in cars.. now we rely on an ECU to be gracious enough to open the door? Crazy.
it's like a flat without stairs and a sign reading 'don't use the lift in case of fire'
Just look at life wests on airplanes - they are modelled to be simple: “a strap goes around your belly and attached to another strap”, or the fire blanket in my kitchen: “pull straps, cover the burning pot”.
I rode my first tEsla a year ago and I couldn’t get into the f***ing battery-car.
PS. Live on third floor, have elevator/lift, stairs and due to fixing the roof, I have scaffolding all around and can climb out thru a window …. 😀
If you have thermal Runaway. Its not a door release you'll need, but an ejector seat 😂
@@michaeloshea5505 that's a great idea..maybe eject the battery pack as it can do double duty as a rocket pack, once its gone thermal its no good as a battery pack! haha maybe it'll make it to outer space?! like everything with EVs, when it goes wrong send it away and make it someone elses problem!
Star Trek "Transporter" would be more appropriate!
@@michaeloshea5505 As long as it's not battery powered.
Tesla should be mandated to retrofit manual door releases to all vehicles. Making an unwise car buying decision shouldn't incur the death penalty.
@@matthewgodwin3050 and an engine and petrol tank! lol
Or better still, just ban Teslas.
They have a manual release
@@djgoode Not all of them do. Some have them in the front only, and others require you to take the door panel off. StacheD Training did a good video on it recently. Well worth a watch.
@ I’m aware it’s the fronts and the rears are a pain. However the roof glass is designed to fail from inside. The chances of not getting out a Tesla are similar to any other car.
Odd that when the handle spindle broke on my Ibiza I discovered it would fail the MOT if I didn't replace it. Yet Tesla gets away with it not failing safety tests or MOTs?
Not Tesla's fault. People should know to always wear full fireproof kit whenever they enter one.
But that will not save you if you cannot get out on the vehicle, with these batteries you would also need full positive pressure breathing apparatus which would need comprehensive training to use and be easily available which is not in any current car
@robertfreeman7906 Exactly, people just don't want to do the minimum which is reasonably expected by the lord Elon.
@@urbanspaceman7183 won't that be like putting foil on a turkey if you cannot get out?!
@NT-hr3eu Only a turkey would buy a Tesla.
@@urbanspaceman7183 and sheep
Why has it taken so long for this issue to become topical? You dont have to be an engineer to understand that the design is poor and dangerous. Tesla is not the only brand to do this. Gimmicks over safety!
Could this be another Ford Pinto story?
I think safety seems to come second place to (failing to) saving the planet.
Robert Kennedy jr head of the department of health in USA! I rest my case! 🤦♂️
If you compare the NTSB's Pinto fire/death statistics with Tesla's fire/death statistics, per 100,000 vehicles, currently way more people burn to death per year in a Tesla than ever did in a Pinto.
If you look at other areas of the tesla , safety also comes into question , having no gauges or dash binnacle directly in front of the driver , instead having the stupid touch screen in the middle of the dash lol ....... how is this good design ?
Answer its not .
You couldnt pay me to buy a tesla .
Another item comes to mind , teslas do not come equipped with a spare wheel or jack , this to me is a safety issue if you are out in the country and split a sidewall and or damage a rim on some debris out on the road or via a big pothole , you are screwed , this is a basic requirement in my book for any vehicle.
some will say oh the emergency puncture kit will get you out of trouble , well sometimes it will not .
I cant remember when car design went down the toilet , but you couldnt pay me to buy a vehicle with so many glaring deficiency's.
@@mikldude9376 all the new cars I've seen no longer provide spare tyres any more (UK) just the cheap can of foam. Atleast they left the space (only to save redesigning) to store a spare in the boot of my car so I can carry one if i choose (due to their cost cutting), I dont think newer cars even have the specially designed wheel well...which is where it would probably clash with the battery on an EV...and Teslas dont come with small wheels either so the space and weight penalty with do the car no favours...forgot about space saving tyres! haha One thing about Tesla safety...if they do crash its quite a good beacon for rescuers to find you...or what's left of you...are there any ICE car fires where the occupants have been burned alive like this?
This problem is VERY well documented, yet people still go out and buy an EV. Speaking personally, until the problem of burning to death is solved, I won't even sit in an EV, let alone buy one. Some people may think I am a bit extreme, but I am in my mid 70s and guess what? I'm still here, and if all the people who have burned to death were like me, they would still be here too. If everyone refused to buy an EV until these problems were addressed, how long would it be do you think, until Tesla an Co, pulled their finger out and sorted it. Not long I'd guess.
Not all EVs are Teslas, most just have regular manual door handles. You are still far more likely to get burned to death in a ICE car fire than an EV fire.
I agree these Tesla door releases are ridiculous. Musk seem to be getting away with a lot these days.
Not going to get repeat business if they insist on wiping them out...the new customer service approach is that the customer is always wrong and EVs owners seem happy with it.
EV owners obviously think the cool door handles are worth dying for, literally!
As another poster has pointed out not all EVs are Teslas.
They therefore don't suffer from this quite frankly ridiculous design.
You could, using your logic, expand your statement to "cars" rather than EVs!
@@DwaynePipes Car owners obviously think the cool door handles are worth dying for, literally.
@@DwaynePipeswhat's the resale value of your EV , little fella? 😂😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡
THIS IS NOT JUST AN EV PROBLEM !!!
My 1-year-old Lexus Hybrid has electronic door handles - If I'm unconscious in my burning car, how does anyone open the door to pull me out if the only manual release is inside the car ???
It is referred to as 'depopulation by design'.
The were two case of Lexus fire in China in 2022, people was traped inside after the car crashed and caught on fire, there were people broke the windows from outside to help the people out, but still have one passenger was unconscious and no survived.
If the car is locked then you wouldnt be able to open it anyways. If you could open the door even if it was locked the locks would be useless.
Having an emergency manual release inside the car is of little use if you're unconscious. The first thing someone coming to help would want to check is whether you're breathing. I wouldn't want to stand helpless outside of a car whilst someone dies from asphyxia in a few minutes for the lack of not being able to open the door and get to them.
the door can be opened from the outside in the event of an accident.
@@iceblock-z41no evidence those that perished didn’t die in the initial impact. No evidence the surviving occupant attempted to get out. Bystanders under stress are not reliable witnesses. The ev beatup and FUD is supported by a single other case, the model S which it is said is in dispute. Good to draw attention to secondary door opening however.
They should all be recalled and retro fitted with manual handles inside and out! Or banned from the road.
They all have manual door releases. Owners don't read the manual! The OP should read it too before posting.
The unit where i work has magnetic locks (Maglocks) on the doors around the building, In an emergency, ALL the doors are released automatically for everyone to leave safely. Its concerning to think our old building is safer than a new EV!!
If they have gone to the lengths of fitting a convoluted secret emergency door handles, why not just put them in an easily accessible location the same as every other car??
because the future should look like the future
@@bobstirling6885 it's convoluted because its an after thought, no one design these on purpose. But happy to be corrected if Tesla admit this stupid design is by choice.
My Dad didn't even want electric windows in a car. "It's one more thing to go wrong Son"
I`m a bit that way too , simple with less gimmicks = win win .
I have just restored an old car , stripped and rebuilt the winders... Soo smooth now..
Abs brakes, stability control, adaptive cruise, airbags, seatbelts.. it’s all stuff that can go wrong……
Friends don't let friends ride in flame coaches.
Someone must sue those idiots killing people with useless, dangerous tech
Tesla has tons of cases against them. There are so many cases against Tesla that there is a wiki page listing them.
@@greathey1234 Can you sue for your own stupidity? just looking at all these EV fire stories people still choose to own them so it's totally up to them. I really don't care about the statistics of battery fires..its like the lottery the chances of getting the jackpot are 'rare' but someone gets it..I know which I'd prefer to "win".
First one to ask is Elon.
Just a few points I like to make. There is a video of a driver kicking out the laminated door glass to escape a tesla on fire. But the manual door release on the front doors is easy to use. It shows that people don't read instruction books so he just did not know where it was, once you know where it is, it's so easy to use even with your eyes closed. Why do Tesla hide the release so well in the door trim? And what about someone driving the car that is not theirs, maybe on loan or hire, are they expected to read the instruction book first? Second point the plastic cover in the door pocket on the rear door release you normally need a flat head screwdriver to open it. And people traveling in the back normally don't own the car, so how would you expect them to know where it is. Third point the person that helped the woman out of the burning Tesla had to break the window (and it took some time due to being laminated) because the doors could not be opened from outside, the Tesla had decided to trap all the people inside.
We need a safety standard that ban all makes of cars from fitting electronic door catches, and only allow mechanical that can be activated with electric solenoids (the old way). That way in a crash with loss of power we all can still open the doors. Also lets ban laminated glass in side windows, we just don't need it, and if in a crash the door gets jammed we can still shatter the window easily .
100% sense. Well said 👌🏼
Laminated glass on side windows? Who thought it was a good idea? I expected all cars to have tempered glass on doors.
@@jorelplay8738 I've heard Tesla plan to put steel bars on the side widows now because a few people have escaped being burnt alive.
@@ScottishCarClanno the comment wasn’t thought through. In the old days before auto mechanisms doors were locked mechanically from inside. Bystanders also couldn’t open the door.
The advent of auto door unlock following an impact is in majority of new cars. A few hundred million of those on the road.
Using one unsubstantiated case to reverse a safety feature which has been in use for a decade is foolish nonsense.
Yes, modern cars seem to have bypassed quite a few safety aspects. Apart from the very obvious electronic door locks in your video, there are at least two more that spring to mind.
Headlight bulbs (for one) were limited to 55 watts, and for a very good reason. Now, modern headlight brightness is crazy, but legal. The other one that is glaringly obvious, it is the replacement of knobs by a touch screen. How dangerous is that..... Progress🤔
There’s no difference between using a touch screen and a mobile phone. How is use of or fitting of a touch screen legal?
The corrupt Biden Administration just keept turning a blind eye to anything and everything negative. Why ? because they controlled the Govt. What did you expect a GOVT that actually Cares.
Progress is seat belts, and brakes. stability control, sat nav, voice control, hands free phone, adaptive cruise, autonomous emergency brakes , tyre pressure monitor and with EVs, lower CoG, lower driver fatigue, lower risk of fire, higher resistance to side impacts .Preheating and cooling cabin whilst unoccupied and parked creates ideal driver environment (clear windscreens ect) from very beginning of the journey.
@@mickjoebillsnone of that progress requires getting rid of simple mechanical door handles or physical controls for commonly used stuff.
Headlight bulbs brighter than 50 w are permitted if the vehicle or the headlight mechanism is self levelling. That is progress. Lately, the introduction of matrix filters enables both sides of the road to be illuminated on high beam without blinding incoming traffic. That is progress.
Moving to electronic unlocking following a crash detection occurred almost two decades ago. The incidence rate of failure is so low it’s hard to determine risk, the recent Canadians fire is under investigation. But with tens of millions of vehicles on the road the trigger is as reliable as airbag deployment as it is that sensor which also sets off the door unlock sequence.
Older Teslas (Model 3?) do not have manual door releases in rear doors at all. If my memory serves correctly late 2019 models are the first to have those.
Get your full Tesla asbestos suit ordered now in time for Xmas!
Great video. Worst of all is that Tesla is using laminated glass so you can't even smash the window.
They really want you dead.
Zeekr has made freely available the patent to a manually operated window breaking mechanism, fitted to their 7X suv.
An EV battery fire is going to go out when it's damn good and ready to, regardless of the amount of water that gets dumped on it.
@@atticstattic it's amazing how many people don't believe you when you tell them. It is a bizarre concept to most ppl as they have to see it to believe it.
You can't kick out front and rear bonded glass. I used to break up my own cars and remember trying to kick out the bonded glass on a 1988 Lancia Thema and it wasn't going nowhere unlike the older cars where it was possible.
Most cars have detachable headrests that can be used as glass breakers.
@supernova743 A lot of them now you have to depress a tab on the base of one of the headrest pins with a screwdriver or key to fully remove the headrest. This is very fiddly at the best of times and virtually impossible in an emergency.
Most back seat passengers would have no idea about where the emergency releases are it wouldn’t be their car
This is progress though...opening doors is soo difficult and owning an EV needs soo much training...learn to plug a car in? logistics training for charging plan? getting locked in a car is user error?! haha But not to worry it'll all be worth it when self driving turns up! 😂
all the effort on self driving cars when what they should have been focusing on is self opening doors?
Once you go tesla, there is no escaping back to ICE.
You may be put on ice.
Excellent video 👌
They was four killed in a Tesla crash in France not long before the Canadian crash happened AND the same happened to Cyberbrick driver just before that in America, I can see Tesla getting sued big style pretty soon if this trend continues
These type of door handles are used in many different makes of car and are not particular to just EV’s, they are not solely used by Tesla cars as is suggested in this video.
That's fine then.....unfortunately others fitting dangerous hidden handles doesn't make it right and the severity of a battery fire amplifies the stupidity of not having a simple door handle.
@@bobstirling6885 look into the statistics of vehicle fires, it’s not EV fires you need to worry about, far more likely to be involved in a fire with a Petrol/ Diesel vehicle.
Electric vehicles (EVs)
EVs are the least likely to catch fire, with a risk of 25.1 fires per 100,000 sold.
Hybrid vehicles
Hybrids are more likely to catch fire than EVs, with a risk of 3,474.5 fires per 100,000 sold. This may be due to the combination of gasoline and high voltage electricity, which can create sparks in a crash.
Petrol and diesel vehicles
Petrol and diesel vehicles are the most likely to catch fire, with a risk of 1,529.9 fires per 100,000 sold.
@@brianstevenson9967 petrol and diesel vehicles rarely lock you in when they catch fire and are easily extinguished. Come back with your statistics when the average age of EVs is commensurate with ICEs.....most car fires are in older vehicles and usually caused by electrical failure, crashes or arson. I don't ever recall 4 people being burnt alive in an ICE car due to them being unable to release the doors.
@@bobstirling6885 Hmmm, as we had just stated these electronic door handles are not particular to EV’s they are fitted to petrol / diesel cars as well so just as likely to be a serious issue in an ICE vehicle.
A fire in a car is a serious matter wether that is EV or an ICE vehicle and as you state most likely is caused by an electrical fault and if in a petrol car which is full of very flammable fuel that seems extremely serious and sorry but records on car fires show being in a petrol car puts you more at risk than any other vehicle on our roads. I am sorry but that is a fact that simply cannot be overlooked.
No Model 3 or Y have manual releases on the rear doors apart from the stupid hatch, they all have manual releases on front doors, even better they all now have laminated front and rear side windows that are very difficult to break. This does need fixing, still love my Model Y! fortunately we rarely have rear passengers.
Elon fanboy alert, who thinks they are gonna be conscious following an impact in a 4,000 pound vehicle 😂
So what was wrong with a simple old-style fail-safe mechanical linkage? I'm not against new tech, if it's deployed sensibly. But needless complication of a simple function which can and has resulted in loss of life? That's irresponsible to say the very least.
It's odd that expensive vehicles with proven safety issues - which have now resulted directly in fatalities - should have been awarded 5-Star safety ratings. How did that happen? Who decided that a $70,000 Air Fryer on wheels didn't need a viable means of egress in the event of an emergency?
Why the heck isn't anybody making a fuss about this? Don't Merkin lives matter?
US buyers attach enormous significance to the scores cars achieve in these tests, and certain foreign brands are roundly mocked for 'only' having 2, 3, or 4-Stars. But at least they've got working door handles.
I'm not interested in exotic tech or super-security or cameras or fancy collision avoidance and automatic lane-guide steering and all the other unasked-for modern driver-assist features which count towards those precious 5-Star ratings. I'm interested in being fully in control of whatever vehicle I'm driving.
Give me a primitive analogue car with manual wind-down windows and door locks operated by cables, rods, wires, handles and levers which can be yanked open even when the car's on its roof, it's filled with smoke, and you can't see your hand two inches in front of your face.
Why would anybody NOT want something so basic? Oh, of course - style over substance matters. Status over safety. Putting your trust in the Teslamic faith is the path to righteousness, a mansion on Mars, and a place at your saviour's side. Risking your life on His [sic] cost-cutting garbage tech shows the depth of your belief in the Glorious Leader.
It's a scandal that nobody in authority sees these 5-Star safety ratings for the marketing con they are. Imagine if people had lost their lives in cars from BYD instead of those with a Tesla badge. Imagine the outcry. Imagine the news headlines: "Shoddy corner-cutting car tech is endangering Merkin lives."
But no, it's Tesla, and Ego Muskrat is 100% teflon coated. Nothing sticks to him. Money really can buy you anything. A President? Yep. A cult following? Yep. Immunity from prosecution? Yep. No wonder people (literally) worship him.😔
They should get 0 star because of the doors.
Watching that wee video about how to open a Tesla door with the manual door release, if fitted, made me think that perhaps it should be a legal requirement for all Tesla drivers to run through an emergency escape procedure for their passengers making sure that they all know where the manual door release is located, if fitted, and how to use it pretty much like the safety briefings you get onboard aircraft by the cabin crew before take off.
Better solution, don't buy a Tesla
@@greathey1234 👏🤣
@@greathey1234 at this rate..there won't be many left; car/customers.
Knowing the escape procedure wouldn't help if one didn't happen to have long fingernails, or lacked the strength to prise that cover off, such as might be the case with a child.
Well , chances are , in the event of an accident , they wont be thinking straight anyway , and digging down to find an emergency release would likely be the last thing on a persons mind , and what if they are frail oldies or kids , what if it is darkness at night , youd have buckleys hope of finding the emergency pull tabs .
the best option is just have an old school idiot proof door lock mechanism that just works the first time ..
Another TH-camr talked about getting stuck in Porsche tycan when 12v battery failed
The Porsche designer should trap inside the car they designed.
Well the government would love that , less people to complain !!!
Dangerous design but so is the entire EV concept.
@@d.p.9567 ...having an accident is a "user error"...the designer isn't responsible for anything any more.
Golden age of BS
@@NT-hr3eucars should not have any ads, just the driver engine transmission and 4 wheels, no ABS ESC just do the driver said, airbag are useless weight.
Climb from the back seat to the front and simply go 3 menus deep and then slide your finger up the screen to open, easy!
@@mikeb9281 theres probably a bluetooth app that you can download in an emergency too but make sure you read and agree to all the t&c before you open the doors as it could void your warranty. A straight forward sign up procedure with your email to validate your account...saves you climbing over to the front seats.
Should be mandatory to have manual/mechanical door releases- even if only for emergency use!
I know that people obviously think about how old people would cope, but what if you had young kids in the back seat?
People have said to me that it's a rare event and there is no need to worry. We'll, when there is a fire in a building and say 50 people die because there was no fire exit, you could also say that it's a rare event, but unblocked fire exits became law.
Should passengers in Tesla taxis have to partake in a fire drill every time they use one.
They shouldn't be allowed on the road if they are a hazard to life.
Mechanical door locks are essential.
My Wife's Audi has a spring-loaded window breaker in the centre console, because I do not want her to drown or burn to death.
I'm usually not against electronic door openers, but I'm starting to change my mind somewhat after seeing all these issues. The main problem I see here is that Tesla seems to have designed the rear door release as a backup manual release, not as an emergency release.
The Cybertruck has a similar design for the rear, and the reasoning I've heard is that if a child is sitting in the back, you don't want them to have full access to a door release that overrides child locks.
I believe I have coined a solution, though. Make the emergency release easily accessible like on the front, and label it accordingly. Then, develop a mechanism that makes the emergency release work by default, but if an interlock is energized, it is disabled. Have this interlock be energized if the child locks are enabled and the car is not in park. That way if the door fails or god forbid the car is in an accident and loses power, the interlock is de-energized and the emergency release fails safe and allows the door to be opened.
One new-ish problem car makers have to deal with is carjacking and robbery. A lot of features are now based on this. The door problem is this: you want to be able to lock the doors to prevent outside entry when driving through dubious neighbourhoods. In a collision you want the doors to unlock so you can be got out. So the villains shunt you from in front to unlock the doors...what's the answer? To a degree it is country dependent, but there are bad places everywhere. I don't have an answer.
I just do know that omitting clearly labelled exit handles should be illegal; after all it's illegal not to have them on trains and buses.
Yikes. Wouldn't want any of my friends or family travelling anywhere in a Tesla. Are they the only manufacturer doing this nonsense?
No ....
@@railwaymaniacwho else? In the UK.
Glass breaking tool should be mandatory I think, strapped to the top interior roof in a really accessible place.
I don't know if Tesla is one of the manufacturers moving toward laminated side windows, if they are, a glass breaking tool isn't going to work.
@@atticstattic I see your point, Its just an idea. The alternative is recalling and banning thousands of cars. Make mandatory interior door handles! Ban any car without an emergency release handle. Its like the legislation for safety & interiors has been changed to suit the company (that minimal interior with no switches I hate it) I hope UK common sense prevails.
@@Get-Native if its a defective product it should be recalled or banned. Don't see why consumers have to compromise product safety.
@@atticstattic They still work it's just the laminate holds the broken glass together and tinted windows do the same thing, it would be fairly easy to push out after its broken though compared to trying to kick it out.
@ozzybloke4830
Good point, it's not like trying to break through a windshield
There is more than one way to exit a vehicle other than doors. Carry a window breaking/seatbelt cutting tool.
Also, the FAA mandates passengers are briefed prior to flight. Maybe it would behoove Tesla owners/drivers should brief their passengers.
This should be outlawed, however it just goes to show how many people won't even take the time to look through the manual.
EU be like:
Emergency doors? Nah
ADAS mandate? Yes!
@@gottliebdee263 I don't think I've ever had to look at the manual on "how to open a car door". But seems to be the low bar EVs designers are setting.
@ That’s where you and I differ. A bit of critical thinking should make someone think, how do I get out if the battery is flat.
@ Except. They aren’t. What an asinine way to look at it.
Chinese cars also tend to have electric operated doors now. I am living in Thailand where Chinese EVs are the only affordable option. I looked at a lot of nice cars and then had to delete them from my list because of electric doors. Some of these have good escape handles but I don't like to explain that to every new passenger.
The hinges on the doors are meant to detonator bolts so that the doors just pop open off the door frame in the event of an accident
the fact tesla go to the effort to fit a manual override ( however difficult) , it would have been the same cost to just install a manual inner door handle like every other car that you could open first go in pitch black zero visibility while your panicking!
Remember in the 40s thru 60s when cars actually had door handles you could actually grab onto.
In many crashes, doors are jammed shut simply by crumpled bodywork. There needs to be easier ways to pop open a door.
Great video, but I must say the carscore and car vertical does not give you the most clear picture. I got my car checked by paid service on car vertical and I got faulty car with hidden accident repair, leaks, coolant consumption and a lot of hidden rust. And many more.
It is important to give people more info after your promotion always does a manual inspection check. I rejected the car but it is a very painful stressful 30 day process just to check and discover all faults. Always ask the dealer to give you a detailed description and diagnostic scan log document that the car is free from any electrical faults. The diagnostic is the best to be done at the moment of your pick up.
Unfortunately, this days buying a car is a stressful process not a fun one
BYD's also have the same issues. Heard of a few incidents in China where the doors self lock preventing the rescuers and occupants of the car struggle to get in or out of the cars after a accident. One recently locked a mother out of her car due to the cars keyless app failing, her young child was left in the car with all windows up on a hot day. The emergency services had to break the windows to get the child out.
I do want to try BYD used, they're very cheap used. It's easy to test just 2 person, 1 inside lock the door and another out disconnect the 12v battery.
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I'm old enough to remember the Ford Pinto from the 70's. Another car with a habbit of cooking it's occupants when involved in an accident. The car had a hugh problem with it's fuel system. Ford desided that it was cheaper to pay damages to it's 'victims' than fix the fault. As a result they where hit with one of the largest fines in automotive history. Tesla need to take note of this and fix their car.
For those who already own one, this might be a good time to invest in a glass hammer.
Absolutely 👍🏼
The Pinto tank was in the rear and got split in some crashes. In fact many other US cars were the same but it was Ford who got caught out.
Every single vehicle feature has a cost of failure analysis ssociated with it, and there is a cost of human life calculation involved. It isn't nice but that is how it has to be as the alternative is driving around in 10mph armoured cars. Ford got it wrong. But they all do the same.
I fear a motorway pileup with just one of these vehicles.
I'm basically all for manual physical handles (and handbrake...). But, how hard would it be to make the handles pop open or just be released when the airbags are activated or any other emergency system is activated - there are sensors for that in every modern car. An oversight by the genius or just a money saving thing..
All of them have manual door releases on the rear doors! But yes they are hard to find
Im fine with electric locks keeping you from getting inside but the latch inside should always open the door even without power. Just like buildings should always have doors that will let people out.
With all this and other problems with Tesla people still buying. let them buy it they'll pay the price.
Ford Pinto anyone? must be the same design team.
That emergency release looks like a right faff especially after an accident even if you actually know it's there.....
Surely a 2 stage handle would be better, 1st stage electronic - 2nd stage manual. pull handle harder - door opens!
Is it true Teslas are safest statistically?
Nevertheless I agree 100%. Wouldn't want one parked anywhere near I live either.
I think NCAP etc need to step in and remove stars from cars people can't escape from if there is no power.
Just look at an aircraft and how obvious the emergency escape handles are..
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One thing about these battery cars is that programmers seem to have millions of program lines just to make things complicated for the drivers. If not pushing a number of buttons and gas and brake pedals in the correct order, you go nowhere.
How hard is it to have a simple door handle?! It’s a f-ing safety feature.
PS. I have started traveling on the local buses and notice that all windows in the BYD battery buses are made for emergency exits. The diesel buses have just one or two …. 🤔
I have another issue... Given the issues with possible thermal runner way how Do EV's even pass NCAP testing??? If fuel tank of ICE had similar issues due to leaking fuel combusting then they would fail the tests and be banned. Yet given how a simple bump and knock too a battery rights an EV off due to FIRE Risk how did they pass??? I do not for one minute believe the test is not fixed for evs... And this is a conversation my self and colleagues both paramedics and FRS have been having
Some of the solutions in the comments keeps me coming back, a good conversation starter...I see you drive a Tesla...how did you know? The heavy duty limited edition Tesla branded window breaker seatbelt cutter in its exclusive vegan leather holster gave it away! haha
Also guys, in the event of a crash you have about 30 seconds to find the emergency door release before the car is engulfed in flames... Where is everyone?
This is not Tesla or an EV problem, many cars do this now. But I agree there needs to be a better emergency release.
That's ridiculous.
Locks should be powered by separate capacitors, one for each lock, in the doors so that they are not reliant on battery power.
That's the way air bags are wired.
First thing to do if you have one of these cars is to remove the ridiculous plastic cover over the release cord and bin it.
Anyone else reading this ever had an MOT fail for a dodgy outer door handle? On the rear door of a three door Crewcab with no rear seat.
I have. It is a fail due to the fact that emergency services must be able to open it from outside in case someone needs rescue.
Excessively unnecessary reliance on electronics is a big problem.
I have wondered about this for some time. Why do we even need electronic doors anyway. I just seems like something ridiculously stupid. Just like led headlights and indicators. To be honest if a car doesn't have a manual control for anything that needs a touch screen I won't buy it. This includes AC and cruise control
Break Glass Hammers should at least be in these cars. both in front and rear.
They should have buried the emergency release in the infotainment system instead???
Interesting topic I often thought what would happen to the Model S door handles in a crash as they have to retract outwards, if I'm right in thinking you have to press a button on the inside to open them which just seems wrong on so many levels. That & the fact you have a whopping great screen to distract you as you turn on the aircon or whatever should be banned if you ask me.
On another note how's the Honda Jazz type R project coming along?
yea you have time patience and focus to pry shit off a doorcard when the room is literal rocketstove
I watched a program a while back that showed how badly Tesla cars are made. This includes a piece of wood as a support. Horrendously poorly made.
These accidents happen since years with all Teslas S3XY models. More than 100 people were burned up to now worldwide in similar Tesla accidents. 15 alone in October 2024.
Obviously the EV death trap manufacturers should supply a laminated instruction sheet for new travelers to read and enjoy before setting out in an EV like the safety demo on an aircraft. Job done,sorted, next problem please.😂
Unfortunately people still buy Teslas even after hearing of such tragic incidences
Regulators are failing outright. Another ludicrous situation is the proliferation of touchscreens, including even for heating controls. Yet it’s still illegal to use a phone while driving, and rightly so. Needless tech on new cars. I will keep using my older cars which have ergonomically sound controls and I can do repairs myself.
Is Tesla the only vehicle that has this problem, I suspect not.
This though would appear to be regulators not doing their job. It is bizarre that there are laws preventing the use of a mobile phone when driving, but that the trend in car design to rely on a central laptop to display and control the majority of the vehicle's functions is allowed. How is looking down and reading the screen to select a menu and adjust a vehicle's heating temperature setting any different and any less dangerous to reading a text message? I appreciate that many of these settings can be voice activated, in which case they should only be voice activated.
For all Tesla's claims to be at the cutting edge of design, form and function does not seem to be their strong suit. They have started a trend that many other manufacturers are blinding following but how is tapping through menu settings ever going to be more efficient than having a button or a dial?
Even the Model Y front mechanical actual door handles may have killed -- they're stealthy.
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Mechanical door mechanism should be MINIMUM safety standard.
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My only conclusion for having electronic acuated door handles.
_is to DENIE_ _acess_ (remotely )
to said vehicle if required or one has not complied/accepted terms and conditions of purchasing said vehicle.
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That procedure to locate the manual control is unacceptable...
Need automatic door opening as standard
Yeah, always works, until it doesn't. Manual door opening on ALL doors without exception. !!!
@@andrewmainprice2179 it probably does but when the battery is on fire i don't think the computer has any power to ask the doors to do that. Or you could just have a door handle...what is the purpose of a hidden door handle? the cars are already bland enough so people really find these thoughtless design tweaks attractive? If it is for aero dynamic purposes its a bit of a joke.
it is a no brainer, it is dangerous, i would never buy a car with door handles like that.
Natural selection in action.....
since those things are so extremly safe its not really necessary to go with the ancient (ice) safety features - 100 or 200 dead a year are below any threshold of concern
but honestly why are we (well, to many people) buying ev's ?
The door handles are the only thing on the tesla that Elon Musk had an actual part in designing. Does that make him directly responsible for the deaths and injuries that are occurring?
Using a smart phone is illegal but using a tablet fixed to the middle of the dash is fine.
4:35 jump cut, he did not even show how he opened it.
Man, 10,000 years ago: (Invents simple, functional tool that works)
Man, 5,000 years ago: (still using tool, because it works)
Man, 2500 years ago: (still using tool, because it works)
Man 1,000 years ago: (still using tool, because it works)
Man 500 years ago: (still using tool because it works)
Man 250 years ago: (still using tool because it works)
Man 100 years ago: (still using tool because it works)
Man 50 years ago: (still using tool because it works)
Tesla Engineer, last year: (Changes the design to something electronic, places the redundant unit in the LEAST F*CKING CONSPICUOUS PLACE or removes it entirely...)
(Electronic tool fails, people die)
Tesla Engineer: ...but that wasn't supposed to happen! What went wrong!?"
People taking the older cars route isn't the answer. The answer is to prevent the car manufacturers from this stupid practice.
An older car will see you fold up like a paper plane in an accident and the chances of you having an accident and suffering injury or death, (regardless of fault), are MUCH higher than the chances of your EV bursting into flames.
Thought I suppose you could have an accident in an EV.........
Tesla doesn't care about safety, it's as simple as that. They make stuff that people will think is "cool", like a car with everything on a screen and no physical controls, or "full self drive (disclaimer: driver must remain alert and ready to take over control at any moment)" that isn't, really.
Doors on a vehicle should have simple, accessible, manually activated handles. Anything is is f'in stupid.
What actually is the point of this ludicrous feature? What problem does it solve?
Exactly like electronic parking brakes.
Technology is amazing. However, one has to look at the situation and ask “is this technology required in this application?” Reality with motor cars is we do not need much gimmick technology. Vehicles do not need electronic door handles or electronic flaps for fuel or cables. There are many more gimmicks I personally do not want such as touch screens, electronic opening/closing boots, electronic parking brakes etc etc etc the list goes on and on. Safety and reliability are very important and any extra adds weight. I like a bit of up and go and good handling etc but gimmicks no thank you. Keep the costs down and remove the gimmicks. After any accident doors should unlock. A window “break” tool should be accessible to front occupants. Cars need to be designed with input from drivers and not geeks.
Why just why. Just like when Tesla tried to literally reinvent the steering wheel.
No evidence that the model y door release failed. Bystanders are notoriously unreliable. Wait for the report.
Doors could have been mechanically jammed.
No evidence that those who perished survived the impact.
Wait for the report.
Good to draw attention to secondary opening however!
A Battery requires significant impact to go into thermal runway, this has occurred globally, just 600 times since 2010 in passenger vehicles.
The only other ev reference you mention is the model S which is you say disputed. 40million EVs on the road and who knows how many ice cars 100 m ? with same tech.